WEBVTT - Catfishing with Superwomen

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<v Speaker 1>Hell, I suck a Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared

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<v Speaker 1>and I heart radio podcast. What is Up, Sucky Daters?

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<v Speaker 1>It is Dean Unglert and I am back in studio.

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<v Speaker 1>It is September six. I believe I'm here with Mark Easton,

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<v Speaker 1>Jared and Vanessa. We have a very special episode for

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<v Speaker 1>you guys. We have Nicole Lappin, who is the author

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<v Speaker 1>of Boss Beach, Boss Bitch's book, but the newest one

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<v Speaker 1>that she just wrote is Becoming Superwoman, and she is,

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<v Speaker 1>in my eyes, a super woman, a space between the

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<v Speaker 1>words that she likes to put it. She's not superwoman,

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<v Speaker 1>but she is a superwoman. We're gonna talk to her.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk to Nive and Laura from Catfished a

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<v Speaker 1>little later on. I'm sure you guys have seen that

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<v Speaker 1>show on MTV. Basically they just go out and find

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<v Speaker 1>people who have been catfished, and he was actually the

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<v Speaker 1>very first person to be a gut to have gotten catfished.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna talk to them a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 1>before we do that, it wasn't the first person ever

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<v Speaker 1>to get cat fished. I mean people have gotten which

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<v Speaker 1>his first term. Yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah, m

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<v Speaker 1>so by the term. They coined the term catfish, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they made a documentary about Nive getting cat fished,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that documentary spun off a couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>later into Nive hosting the show Catfished on MTV, which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you've all seen. I don't really watch television,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've seen that show, so I've seen it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's neat to make up a phrase that

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<v Speaker 1>becomes part of the language. I'm curious. I'm curious to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to more to them more about that, because I

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe that they've convented the phrase. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't how does it like? How how could they

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<v Speaker 1>have done that? You don't just go out and do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't like John Hynd He's the guy that invented

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<v Speaker 1>jump the Shark and the concept of jumping the shark,

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<v Speaker 1>and now everybody says jump the shark. Never heard anyone

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<v Speaker 1>say jump the shark. I can't be the only one

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<v Speaker 1>you heard that. I've used it before, I use it

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<v Speaker 1>to me. The premise originally was when does a TV

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<v Speaker 1>show jump the shark? Like, for example, on Happy Days

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<v Speaker 1>in the funds used as motorcycle to jump a shark.

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<v Speaker 1>That show wasn't good anymore. It's when a TV show

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<v Speaker 1>stops being cool and exciting and fun. And every TV

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<v Speaker 1>show has that moment. It because when you're on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the shark, it's like, what's interesting. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's they do. It's often when you add a younger,

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<v Speaker 1>cuter cast member, when there's a marriage on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like after that, the excitement and newness of the

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<v Speaker 1>show is gone, and it's not as fun as it

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<v Speaker 1>used to be. Like name a show, name a show.

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<v Speaker 1>Bolt jumped the shark. H I'm trying to think of

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<v Speaker 1>that in my head when you guys are Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>there might be a couple of moments when they jumped

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<v Speaker 1>the shark, probably when Jim and Pam get married, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>finally get together, more than when Michael leaves. Oh that

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. Yeah, that's a definitely shark. The shark

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't jumped by then, Yes, it's definitely definitely And usually

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. Main characters getting together, main character leaving, new

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<v Speaker 1>character coming. These are off shark jumps. But anyway, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are you guys are business? Uh, what's the word

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for? Uh Man, business man, business casual. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys are in the scene. You guys are in the

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood world more than I am, so you just know

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<v Speaker 1>it better than me. Well, they're not here, So we

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<v Speaker 1>could say that this podcast jump the shark when we

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<v Speaker 1>added Jared and Vanessa. I think we all could agree

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<v Speaker 1>on that. And then again and that's that's the real

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<v Speaker 1>jump the shark moment. But anyway, that's become something as

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<v Speaker 1>a phrase people use it to describe not Jeff TV shows,

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<v Speaker 1>but all kinds of things. But anyway, we digress. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well we're talking about we're talking about cat fishing and

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<v Speaker 1>how that became in the Zeit Guy. Anyway, we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>had a van update in a while of them later, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>let's give a van update for now before Jared Vanessa.

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<v Speaker 1>They're running late as usual. Um, so they're gonna jump

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<v Speaker 1>in a little bit later on, but I guess in

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<v Speaker 1>the meantime, I'll just tell you guys about my life

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<v Speaker 1>and and obviously the van has been a pretty central

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<v Speaker 1>figure in uh Bachelor in Paradise this season, more so

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<v Speaker 1>than I ever expected it to be. I'm surprised I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting as much screen time as I am because it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's just so funny to me. But yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>van has been going well. Um, I I did the

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<v Speaker 1>van full time as of I think it was the

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<v Speaker 1>end of May, so we're right around three months now,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a little longer. But again, I like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I travel on an actually a lot, so it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of nice to like not have to pay rent while

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gone. But the van itself is doing well. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had to get some work done on it, which

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<v Speaker 1>has been frustrating. It's like, I'm saving two thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a month on rent, but just last week I had

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<v Speaker 1>to get a thousand dollars of worth of work done

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<v Speaker 1>on getting a computer chip reinstalled on it, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. So the newer van, I forget. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a two thous and six, so I mean not

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<v Speaker 1>really knew. You know, it's got low it's got seventy

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<v Speaker 1>thousand miles on it, so not many miles. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>diesel engine, so it runs forever um. And it's a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a sprinter cargo van, so it's made

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<v Speaker 1>for distance and so it shouldn't break down often, but

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<v Speaker 1>when it does. It's a Mercedes, so it's expensive to fix.

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<v Speaker 1>What are some disadvantages you found that maybe you didn't anticipate,

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<v Speaker 1>other than maintenance on the van, just in day to

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<v Speaker 1>day life. Well, when I'm living in the van, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not in Los Angeles, so I haven't really run into

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<v Speaker 1>anything that I disliked about that. We're where do you

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<v Speaker 1>park this thing right now? It's parked on the street?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that how it when you're sleeping it, I usually

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<v Speaker 1>out of street somewhere. Was that the thing when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm sleeping in it, I'm not in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm somewhere more rural, and so I can sleep

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<v Speaker 1>in a campsite area or you know, I've slept in

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon a couple of times. I'm like literally just like

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<v Speaker 1>on the side of the road. But the road is

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a frontage road, so there's not many how

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<v Speaker 1>it's not not much traffic going on, and there's these

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<v Speaker 1>all these these these long roads that you're on. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of like semi trucks that pull over and

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<v Speaker 1>sleep on the side of the road as well, And

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<v Speaker 1>so I'll just basically join them as like a little brother,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because I'm like a little baby compared to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a website you can go to to see

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<v Speaker 1>where it's okay to park your car overnight? There is? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been on it, and I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>it's called, but I know that they exist. So far,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just doing it on your own. Yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't run into a single issue, and so I think

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<v Speaker 1>until I run into an issue, I'll probably have come

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<v Speaker 1>move it along. One's ever knock. So I was in

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson Hawayoming last month visiting my brother and we were

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<v Speaker 1>like climbing mountains and stuff out there, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>basically just sleeping. It's funny. Actually I spent seven days

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<v Speaker 1>in Jackson, Halwa. Now like five days in Jackson Hawayoming

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<v Speaker 1>and my brother has a house there, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go in his house at one time. I just basically

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<v Speaker 1>lived in my van out in his front yard. Um

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<v Speaker 1>until the very end, I think I just like I

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<v Speaker 1>had a poop or something, so I want to do anyways. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>And one morning he woke up, I woke up to

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<v Speaker 1>someone banging on the window, and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the first time I've ever been woking up to

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<v Speaker 1>someone like trying to bang on the window. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like someone probably telling me, like move my van,

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<v Speaker 1>I parked illegally, or someone's like trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>scare me or something like that, and it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>of just my brother trying to wake me up to

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<v Speaker 1>so you can go hiking for the day. But I've

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<v Speaker 1>never had an issue. And it's funny because I sleep

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<v Speaker 1>with a gun right next to my bed. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a safe for it, but I typically before I go

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep, I take it out of the safe. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>say I have the magazine and the actual gun itself

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<v Speaker 1>separated from each other, if from like one at the

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<v Speaker 1>head one at the toe, so it's like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>make a mistake at night, you know, and hopefully, like

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<v Speaker 1>in a sleepy stupor, if I needed to, I could

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<v Speaker 1>find them both and put them together and cock it.

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<v Speaker 1>And if I need to use it and use it,

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<v Speaker 1>just picking it up probably intimidating enough, right if someone

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<v Speaker 1>comes in and just uh, even if there's a magazine

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<v Speaker 1>in it. It's a good point. I would never I

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<v Speaker 1>hope I don't ever have to shoot anyone, obviously, but

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<v Speaker 1>like it's good. It's a good peace of mind to

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<v Speaker 1>have um, and it feels cool to hold. It's a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a handgun, right, it's a it's a glock

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<v Speaker 1>nine millimeter. It's very capable of murdering someone. Yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>were times I was hiking through Yellowstone actually, and Yellowstone

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<v Speaker 1>has these watch out for a Grizzly Bears signs plastered everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>like grizzly bears. You know, obviously they can murder, they

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<v Speaker 1>can kill someone. And there were multiple times where I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't hike with my gun because I think it's probably illegal,

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<v Speaker 1>but people carry bear makes with them all around. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>And there were multiple times where I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>should probably have my gun on you right now, which

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<v Speaker 1>is just a cool thing to think about, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a gun, I should probably have it on

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<v Speaker 1>me right now. Was getting the gun any issue there?

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<v Speaker 1>Blown away by how simple it was? Literally, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was after this podcast a couple of months ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I just walked across the street. There's a gun emporium

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<v Speaker 1>there and I just that took this test and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I walked in. I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to buy a gun. I live in a

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<v Speaker 1>van and I need to protect myself, and they go, right,

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<v Speaker 1>take this test once you pass the test, we'll go

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<v Speaker 1>pick out which one you want. Was that the background

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<v Speaker 1>checkers that the test? No, it's like a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>multiple choice, thirty question tests and I go, I go, shure.

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<v Speaker 1>But just so you guys know, like, I've never studied

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<v Speaker 1>about guns. I know nothing about guns. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I am ready to take a test, and they go,

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<v Speaker 1>you got this, You're fine, You're gonna be fine. Take

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<v Speaker 1>the test. Aced the test. No, I think I got

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<v Speaker 1>one question wrong and it was like an ambiguous like

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<v Speaker 1>there were multiple right answers, and they talked to me

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<v Speaker 1>through it whatever, picked out the gun. Ten days later,

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<v Speaker 1>I come back and I picked up my gun and

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<v Speaker 1>I got a gun. Now I take it to the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting range, practiced with it, took it apart, cleaned it.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I got a gun. Um. Uh do you

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<v Speaker 1>know that? It's uh? I hear there's legal sleep in

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<v Speaker 1>Walmart parking lots if you take an advantage of that

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<v Speaker 1>at all, that's actually that's a changed rule. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it is. I don't think it's legal anymore, but

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<v Speaker 1>they don't enforce the law, so it's technically not. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm mistaken. Maybe it's still legal, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>advertised by Walmart who used to advertise it because people

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<v Speaker 1>would like set up camp there for multiple days, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Walmart then becomes like like liable for things that

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<v Speaker 1>might happen in their parking lots for people that sleep there.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never personally slept in a one more parking lot. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Family has been great, everyone's been very

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<v Speaker 1>critical of it, but I don't love you mentioned pooping.

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<v Speaker 1>You do poop in the van. You have a bathroom

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<v Speaker 1>on there. Now there's no toilet in there. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>thinking toilet. Well, my thing is I want to try

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<v Speaker 1>living in it for you know, weeks at a time

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<v Speaker 1>and seeing if I need a toilet, I'll get a toilet,

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<v Speaker 1>But I haven't Starbucks and like just public bathrooms, gas stations,

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<v Speaker 1>McDonald's exactly that. Um. I have a bucket that I

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<v Speaker 1>p in every once in a while. Like let's say

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<v Speaker 1>you wake up it's like two am. What are doing?

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to go out into the into the street.

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<v Speaker 1>If you understand that, I just pop open the lid

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<v Speaker 1>on my PJR. P in it. Put the lid on

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<v Speaker 1>the PJR is ful right now? Actually, need to just

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<v Speaker 1>toss it and get a new one. Be careful and

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<v Speaker 1>accepting lemonade at Dean's van, so you don't reuse the jar.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's basically just like a gallon jug of

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<v Speaker 1>water that I've that I've repurposed as a PJ and

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<v Speaker 1>if you wake up in the middle of the night

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<v Speaker 1>and have to go the other one. I have not

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<v Speaker 1>incurred that since I was like six years old, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's good. Yeah, that's good for you. Um So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's been going well. There hasn't been any emergencies.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to think of maybe like the worst situation I've

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<v Speaker 1>run into in the van, and honestly, I can't think

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<v Speaker 1>of anything bad that's happened. Um. I hurt my arm

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<v Speaker 1>really bad when I was in my Wyoming. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that I broke it, but I mean I just had

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<v Speaker 1>like a big I've been staring at that scar for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. Yeah, I just I got like a big gash.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still honestly convinced that I broke my arm and

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<v Speaker 1>I just heal like a superhuman like the bolverine does

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<v Speaker 1>from Excellent. No, you guys are laughing, but I'm serious

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<v Speaker 1>about that. I swear. You guys should have seen this.

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<v Speaker 1>You could I did. I fell. We were glissading down

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<v Speaker 1>some snow and I you're wedding down some snow glissading

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<v Speaker 1>or it's just like you just like ski on your feet,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like you just slide on your feet. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was like a steep snow field and you're up

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<v Speaker 1>in the mountains and so like if you fall down

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<v Speaker 1>that you slide down in some rocks. And I felt

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like on my stomach and I slid

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<v Speaker 1>in some rocks and then my brother was down there

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom waiting for me. He caught me, and

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<v Speaker 1>I like, I go, oh, I hit my arm. I

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<v Speaker 1>hit my arm and I showed my own arm and

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<v Speaker 1>he goes, dude, I can see your bone in your

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<v Speaker 1>arm right now. And we're at like thirteen, were literally

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<v Speaker 1>at the peak of the mountainet So I had to

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<v Speaker 1>take my shirt off, and I tied my shirt off

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<v Speaker 1>and and put pressure on the wound. So I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like bleed out, and I was like looking at it

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<v Speaker 1>for I was like, I should get stitches. I know

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<v Speaker 1>I should get stitches, but I don't want to get stitches,

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<v Speaker 1>Like who the hell wants to go to the especially.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'll get stitches tomorrow if it's still hurts,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's still hurt really bad. But then this point

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, I'm already a day in I

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<v Speaker 1>might as well. And I couldn't. I didn't have any

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<v Speaker 1>range of motion in my arm for probably five or

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<v Speaker 1>six days, Like I could only move my arm like

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<v Speaker 1>thirty degrees, and there was just so much pain and

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping in the van, you know, it's like kind of cramped,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was like sleeping on my arm sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>and I would wake up and it'd be like throbbing

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<v Speaker 1>and like the bandage would have fallen off in my arms,

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<v Speaker 1>like sticking to my bed because the wound is healing

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<v Speaker 1>to the sheets. So that one was that was a

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<v Speaker 1>bad couple of days. But that was just because again

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<v Speaker 1>I fell up in the mountains. That wasn't really anything

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<v Speaker 1>that the van was responsible for. Yeah. Um, that whole

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<v Speaker 1>trip I was with my dog. I took my dog

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<v Speaker 1>with me, and I was in places like Nevada and

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<v Speaker 1>Idaho and like these like pretty hot places you do

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<v Speaker 1>not always with you. No. Um. She lives in Pasadena

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<v Speaker 1>with the girl that I got her and I was

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<v Speaker 1>like I just want to travel with her and give

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<v Speaker 1>it a shot and see if that if if we

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<v Speaker 1>can do this, And so there was like we were

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of hot places like Nevada, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>and she that was maybe challenging because she needed a

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<v Speaker 1>c on at all times, like not overheat. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>like I'll say, like I needed to go into a

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<v Speaker 1>store and buy something, and I was like shopping for

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<v Speaker 1>like fort y five minutes. I'd be like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, trying to figure out what I could do

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<v Speaker 1>with her. That's alee um. And especially in like Yellowstone

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<v Speaker 1>National Parks, they don't you're not allowed to bring dogs

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<v Speaker 1>into national parks because because of all the wild life.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I would like go up climb the Grand

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<v Speaker 1>Titon and I would have to like board her for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of days while I was hiking, or I

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<v Speaker 1>would go to Yellowstone and I would like venture out

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<v Speaker 1>for the day. I had to leave her at the car,

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<v Speaker 1>which was like I never I never felt good doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think from this point forward, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to have the dog anymore. But just because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like she's not living her best life with me. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was an issue a small issue. Um what else

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<v Speaker 1>about the van life have I run into issues with?

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<v Speaker 1>That's about it. Honestly, I just rebuilt the micarage system.

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<v Speaker 1>I repurpose, not repurposed it. But I used to have

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<v Speaker 1>these two big like bucket things that were on wheels

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<v Speaker 1>that would slide out, and it was like very laborious

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<v Speaker 1>and inefficient, and so I just got rid of those

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<v Speaker 1>and I put this big sliding track system in there,

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<v Speaker 1>so the trunk just basically slides out, and like that's

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<v Speaker 1>where all my cargo area is. What are you keep

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<v Speaker 1>in the cargo area? Um, like camping equipment, chains in

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<v Speaker 1>case it snows, my golf clubs, like all my like

0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:38.720
<v Speaker 1>extracurricular stuff that I would need, Um, warm clothes, extra blankets. Um. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I I understand why you're getting so much screen time

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<v Speaker 1>on Bachelor Paradise because I find you fascinating. I found

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<v Speaker 1>the van fascinating. It's all fascinating. Can we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>my ability to heal incredibly fast? I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 1>a real thing, but I suffer from delusions like that. No,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a delusion, I swear. So I did

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<v Speaker 1>it on a I fell on a Sunday and my

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<v Speaker 1>other brother was coming up that Friday for us to

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<v Speaker 1>climb in the Grand Teton, which is like a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>difficult it's not difficult, but it's long. It's it's like

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen miles and there's like very serious moves that you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do on the rock. And I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even do a pull up right now. And

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<v Speaker 1>by Wednesday, I was like, I still don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>if I can do this. I don't know if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>physically capable of doing because I still can't bend my arm.

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday came around and it was like getting better, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Friday came and I was like it was probably

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<v Speaker 1>like seventy healed. The gash was still there obviously, but

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<v Speaker 1>I had like abilities to use my arm, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, I'm not going to not do the

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Teton, Like this is what my brother drove out

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<v Speaker 1>from Denver for twelve hours whatever it took, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I did it. And there's like a lot of points

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<v Speaker 1>where it hurt really bad. But the more of the

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<v Speaker 1>story is now it's just a scar tissue. And this

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<v Speaker 1>was a month ago Mark and Easton. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>hairline fracture in my arm. I know what. I've broken

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<v Speaker 1>my arm before. This was worse than that, and now

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<v Speaker 1>this is a badass scar that I have on my arm.

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<v Speaker 1>No one would be more excited than Nathan in myself

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<v Speaker 1>if you were actually a superhero. I'm not saying I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a superhero. I just say I possessed superhuman capabilities. Are

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<v Speaker 1>there are others other of than the ability to heal

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<v Speaker 1>slightly faster than a normal Now, but this is not

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<v Speaker 1>the first time that I've healed irregularly fast. Okay, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of tests we can do for really, how

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<v Speaker 1>how easily do you get drunk? Pretty so I get

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<v Speaker 1>get drunk easily, but between getting drunk and getting drunk

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<v Speaker 1>to the point of being sick is impossible because those

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<v Speaker 1>with healing factor your Wolverines are Captain America's people like

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<v Speaker 1>that they can't get drunk because their cells regenerate too

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<v Speaker 1>fast to becoming toxic. Yeah, I don't get drunk. I

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<v Speaker 1>could drink all I want. I was getting as a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>So I grew up with two older brothers, one six

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<v Speaker 1>and one nine years older than me, and as a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, obviously, as a younger brother, I got picked

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<v Speaker 1>on a lot, and I got like bully, like physically

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<v Speaker 1>abused by my brothers, as any younger brother will do,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would always say things like, oh, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>leaving a bruise or that didn't cut you, and so

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<v Speaker 1>because of that, I can hurt you even more next time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And I'm like, well, just because it's not

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<v Speaker 1>bruising like you expected to bruise doesn't mean it's not

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<v Speaker 1>hurting like it's supposed to hurt. And so a ray

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<v Speaker 1>dealer forced punch on me would not leave a bruise,

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<v Speaker 1>but a regular punch on someone else would leave like

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<v Speaker 1>a big, big, bad bruise. So there you go. Superhuman

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he is, Maybe I'm convinced. Anyways, what else? I

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<v Speaker 1>used to think that I had an X ray vision

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<v Speaker 1>as a kid, because if you hold something close enough

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<v Speaker 1>to your face, you could see past it. But in reality,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just basically piecing it together. And I always that

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<v Speaker 1>closed when I'd be like, okay, I can see I

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<v Speaker 1>can't see through it now, and then I opened both

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<v Speaker 1>and be like X ray vision, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's a superhuman ability that I still have stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that discuss the therapist. I think it's a super realities

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<v Speaker 1>you think you have, um, what else? What other super

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<v Speaker 1>that's about it? Well, you've got to live in a

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<v Speaker 1>van is impressive. And you also taught me a new

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<v Speaker 1>word today. Yeah, I don't know what does the textbook definition?

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<v Speaker 1>Slide down a steep slope of snow or ice with

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<v Speaker 1>the support of an ice axe. Ye. So the pictures

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<v Speaker 1>are really funny on Google image is just people sitting

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<v Speaker 1>down the Yeah. So the thing about the ice axes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's imperative to have an ice axe when you're going

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<v Speaker 1>through a snowfield at while your mountaineering, because if you

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<v Speaker 1>start slipping, as I did, you would basically turn over

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<v Speaker 1>to your stomach and self arrest and just dig the

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<v Speaker 1>ice axe into the ice so you stop sliding. Otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>you can't stop yourself because it's so steep and so icy,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't stop. And we only had one ice axe

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<v Speaker 1>because we were too lazy to go to the storm

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<v Speaker 1>by another one, which obviously and my brother goes first.

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<v Speaker 1>There was this there was this move where we were

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<v Speaker 1>on the rocks and the only way we could get

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<v Speaker 1>down was we had to jump from the rocks into

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<v Speaker 1>the snow field which is at a decline, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you had like glass glasade glasade down. And he did

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<v Speaker 1>it without the ice axe because he's more cape He's

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<v Speaker 1>more of a mountain man than I am. So he

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<v Speaker 1>went and did it and made it look easy. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I this, I don't need the ice axe.

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<v Speaker 1>If he can do it without the ice ax, I

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<v Speaker 1>can do it without the ice ax. And so I jumped,

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<v Speaker 1>slid my feet, dug in too deep and then I

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<v Speaker 1>flipped around in my stomach. And once you're on your stomach,

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<v Speaker 1>facebook where you're kind of screwed. And so that's how

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<v Speaker 1>I hurt. The arem are both acceptable. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>That's to know. All right, Nicole is here, okay, Jared

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<v Speaker 1>is here, and Vanessa is ready for us. Great, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>that was great. I just feel like we felt a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time with a whole lot of nothing. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going a lot of smoke here. That's actually the slogan

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<v Speaker 1>for help I sucker day. We're making moutains out of

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<v Speaker 1>mole hills. Okay, cool, Jared, good to see you, Vanessa,

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<v Speaker 1>good to see you. We'll get you guys in in

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<v Speaker 1>a second. We're gonna have Nicole as a guest as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we do that. We're gonna take one quick break,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Welcome to help. I Sucker Dating, Dean Vanessa

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<v Speaker 1>and myself, Jared. We have a special guest in studio

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<v Speaker 1>joining us, the author of Becoming Superwoman, a simple twelfth

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<v Speaker 1>step plan to go from burnout to balance, which is

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<v Speaker 1>available in store September seventeen. Nicole Lapin, Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>being here. Guys. Nicole. Thanks, We will give you a

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<v Speaker 1>standing ovation every time we see you. We promise you much.

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<v Speaker 1>It means you just have to come back. We weren't

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<v Speaker 1>standing that time, so now we actually sitting do it again. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, all right, ladies and gentlemen. Nicole, you got

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<v Speaker 1>almost fell out of my chair. This is amazing. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the best injury I've ever received in my whole entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget my first standing ovation. You know. We try.

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<v Speaker 1>We try here at help by second Dating. So Nicole,

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<v Speaker 1>tell the entire audience who you are? Who am I?

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<v Speaker 1>Who are you? Who are you? What are you about?

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<v Speaker 1>What is happening? I'm looking into your soul right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Who are you? What do you see? Why don't you tell?

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<v Speaker 1>Powerful woman? That's what I say? Thank you. Welcome a

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<v Speaker 1>Superwoman a super woman, but you talk about killing super

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, I do. I think Superwoman, the character who

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<v Speaker 1>tries to be all things to all people so she's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to herself, needs to die. We're kind of done

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<v Speaker 1>with her. I think the idea of being a super woman,

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<v Speaker 1>like with the Space, just being a super can I

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<v Speaker 1>say perfect is what we should aspire to. Somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>puts her oxygen mask on first before helping others. Because

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<v Speaker 1>if you're all things to all people, you're nothing to yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>and therein lies the real danger. If you're all things

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<v Speaker 1>to all people, you're nothing to yourself. Can you elaborate

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<v Speaker 1>on that a little bit. I think that we get

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<v Speaker 1>into this rhythm as women that we have to do

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<v Speaker 1>it all, and I think, you know, the big question

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<v Speaker 1>is can we have it all? Right? I think we

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<v Speaker 1>can have it all if we define what having it

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<v Speaker 1>all means. We just can't do it all. We're human beings,

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<v Speaker 1>not human doings, so we can't do all the things,

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<v Speaker 1>especially not at once, and I think that pressure is

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<v Speaker 1>leading women to burn out and break down in unprecedented levels.

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<v Speaker 1>Um Nicole, like I said earlier before we started recording,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited that you are with us today because

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<v Speaker 1>my birthday is coming up. This is like and I

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<v Speaker 1>always say, like September for me is the new year,

0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.040
<v Speaker 1>like the knew me, the new beginning, because that's my

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<v Speaker 1>teacher brain speaking. And I feel like I'm at a

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<v Speaker 1>point right now where I'm just kind of coasting. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing everything, but I don't feel like I'm doing everything

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<v Speaker 1>at a percent. And I totally relate to what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally relate to um the idea of a burnout

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<v Speaker 1>because I have gone through one. I went my first burnout.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was fourteen years old. I wasn't competitive gymnastics,

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<v Speaker 1>and I went through burnout. I think I was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit depressed at the time too, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>I needed to stop everything and just focus on what

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<v Speaker 1>makes me happy. Because I think we have this idea

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<v Speaker 1>of quote unquote what success is right, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's people who might look at either our lifestyles or

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<v Speaker 1>people in the industry and say, like, well, how could

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<v Speaker 1>they be complaining and how can they be going through

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<v Speaker 1>burnout or how could they, you know, need a mental

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<v Speaker 1>health day when they have the life that everyone wants.

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<v Speaker 1>So what would you say to people in that position. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we have the equation wrong, right, Vanessa. And

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it was during gymnastics, or maybe it's now, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be happy when I get there. Maybe it was

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<v Speaker 1>a gold medal back in the day, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's an oscar today. Whatever it is, then I'll be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I'll be balanced. And when you get there, there's

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<v Speaker 1>always another there there, Like we keep walking with this

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<v Speaker 1>goal post all the time, like we get there, we

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<v Speaker 1>get the salary, we get the job, and then all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, like well they am it's magically a

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<v Speaker 1>whole other goal post, and you never get your brains

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<v Speaker 1>to the other side of balance or happiness, and studies

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<v Speaker 1>show that it's actually the other way around, that happiness

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<v Speaker 1>or balance will bring us more success and not vice versa.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like what you're saying is if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>enough with it, you'll never be enough without it. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>unpack that one. Thank you, you can do it. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not enough with it, you'll never be enough

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<v Speaker 1>without it. Let me let me Actually I said a wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not enough without it, you'll never be enough

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<v Speaker 1>with it. Okay, that makes more sense. Sorry, not enough

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<v Speaker 1>with it? I like it. I do like that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of I won't make the analogy. I was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make a spider bit analogy. God, what's wrong with me? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>I digress. So what you're pretty much saying it's it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like it's the journey, not the destination. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think self care is the biggest asset or liability in

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<v Speaker 1>your career. So I wrote rich bitch, or wrote boss

0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.399
<v Speaker 1>bitch like I talk about money in business to women

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<v Speaker 1>all day, every day, and I think what I missed

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:13.480
<v Speaker 1>is that nothing is going to affect your career. Networking

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<v Speaker 1>your ass off, going to business school, then not having

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<v Speaker 1>a good self care regimen. When that's off, it can

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<v Speaker 1>bring you to break down and rock bottom. When it's

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<v Speaker 1>on point, it can actually bring you more success than

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<v Speaker 1>you ever imagine. When you say self care is saying

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<v Speaker 1>mentally physically so many tips um. I actually had a mental, emotional,

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<v Speaker 1>physical breakdown after a burnout from my second book launch,

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<v Speaker 1>and what I realized is that it's a lifetime of

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<v Speaker 1>smoldering embers that finally caught fire and incinerated everything in

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<v Speaker 1>its path, not some spontaneous combustion. I think if you

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<v Speaker 1>go through trauma if you have issues. I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>have more issues than vote. We all have stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>we're dealing with. It will eventually kick your ass. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I self prescribed for so many years and just

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<v Speaker 1>hid from everything, and ultimately it will come back. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it sounds like a lot of the advice

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to offer is pertaining to people in

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<v Speaker 1>the workplace, right or entrepreneurs if you're you know, in

0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Boss Bitch, I talk about being a CEO of your family,

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<v Speaker 1>being an entrepreneur, so being entrepreneurial within an existing company

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<v Speaker 1>or starting your own business. And we go through a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different stages in our careers, especially now. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not alloweder. I hate that analogy. It's more like a

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<v Speaker 1>rope swing or like rock climbing or something like that.

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:33.200
<v Speaker 1>You're doing different things at different stages in your life,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're the only constant no matter where you go.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think one issue a lot of people have

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<v Speaker 1>is boundaries. How do you set boundaries? I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm having like a really rough day and then

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<v Speaker 1>I know a friend is calling me who loves to

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<v Speaker 1>talk for hours, how do I set that boundary to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, I'm just tired today, I let you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's catch up tomorrow. Instead, I'll like, I'm such a giver,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'll give everything that I got and then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>become more exhausted. So how what kind of advice would

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<v Speaker 1>give to people who don't know how to send boundaries?

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<v Speaker 1>That's when I don't pick up the phone. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to do that. Oh, you just forward, it's

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 1>a message. It's very easy, and then you text them

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:11.359
<v Speaker 1>and then you say you're at the gym or you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting food or something like that and you'll call them later,

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<v Speaker 1>or you could just be really just say like, listen, sister,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I gotta put my oxygen mask on first

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<v Speaker 1>right now. And Superwoman Shonda Rhymes, I quote in the

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<v Speaker 1>book says no is a complete sentence. Love her right

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<v Speaker 1>and saying no to other people. You have to reframe

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<v Speaker 1>that because that's often saying yes to yourself. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you think about it, like, as a giver, I get it,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of women, including yours, truly are givers,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I want to take care of other people. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you say yes to something you put your half

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<v Speaker 1>ass into and not your entire ass, then you're actually

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<v Speaker 1>not being of service or of help to that other person.

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<v Speaker 1>You're actually not doing justice to whatever that thing they

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<v Speaker 1>asked you to do. Was that you said yes? So

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<v Speaker 1>I say superwomen put their full ass into all the things.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they saying no? Yeah? I also I want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just joking about not picking up the phone

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<v Speaker 1>and guys, I hope everybody understood that. But I I

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<v Speaker 1>what you were just saying. I need to practice what

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<v Speaker 1>I preach as well. But a lot of times I

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<v Speaker 1>think I don't give people. I don't value people enough

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<v Speaker 1>for them to handle my opinion, if that makes any sense,

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's like what you were saying, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult to say no, But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I should respect the other person to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to handle the fact that I'm saying no. Does

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<v Speaker 1>that make sense? Yeah, and deal with what that feels

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<v Speaker 1>like for you, Like it's it's very hard for me

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<v Speaker 1>to say no. I'm sure everybody has this problem, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to say no to someone because you

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<v Speaker 1>feel so bad. But at the same time, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I should respect that other person enough for them

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<v Speaker 1>for me to know that they can handle me saying no.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense? Yeah? Hand on in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>that other person. You're only in charge of yourself. Like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the same time, you feel bad and you

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<v Speaker 1>feel guilty, and you want to help others as much

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 1>as you possibly can, but you need to help yourself first. Totally.

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 1>You can't help anybody if you're crushing and burning yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you had like a date with yourself. I

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<v Speaker 1>used to get into this cycle all the time, Like

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.119
<v Speaker 1>I'd have a workout or whatever, and then I'd have

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>a meeting opportunity that popped up and be like, I

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 1>can totally do that meeting. And if I had a

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 1>date instead with a friend for breakfast or lunch, I

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>would think five hundred times before canceling. But I would

0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:16.680
<v Speaker 1>cancel in myself so easily. But instead you have to

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<v Speaker 1>think of that like that's a date with yourself. You

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 1>have something that's already on your calendar and it's with you. Like,

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 1>we're so easy to cancel on ourselves. Doorth so easy

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:26.879
<v Speaker 1>to put ourselves down? You know, the biggest enemy is

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 1>between our ears. We talk so badly to ourselves all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. You know, I'm in this whole kick now

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>that when I when my girlfriends say like I'm so fat,

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.720
<v Speaker 1>or I like I look terrible or I'm the worst, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>stop talking about my friend like that. And if somebody

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>else talked about you like that, like I would punch

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 1>them in the face or I'd gouge their eyes out,

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<v Speaker 1>Like You're not allowed to talk about you like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You are my friend. We can never be friends, then,

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, don't put yourself I'm very self deprecating, and

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.960
<v Speaker 1>he's actually the best at it. Well, yeah, he's a

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 1>champ of being self deprecating. This an issue we do

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.399
<v Speaker 1>with Dean all the time. He's incredibly charming and he

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 1>has the ability to make everybody feel loved except himself. Yeah,

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:08.359
<v Speaker 1>but there's some deep underlying psychological issues there. Oh, I

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:11.199
<v Speaker 1>don't know exactly what specifically, Otherwise I would identify them

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:13.679
<v Speaker 1>and fix them, you know, like if I my car

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:15.000
<v Speaker 1>was broken, I knew what was wrong in my car,

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I would fix it. But it's broken. You're not broken.

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not broken. I'm just if I were a car,

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I would be broken, but as a human, I'm fully functioning. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>the point that I was trying to say to make

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 1>was that we would not be friends because you would

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<v Speaker 1>be very critical of my self deprecating humor all the time,

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 1>or maybe I would be a great friend and then

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>we could get you to a better spot. But I

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<v Speaker 1>mean a good spot. I like my I like being

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:37.640
<v Speaker 1>self deprecating. I enjoy it. There's I'm in a place

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>for self deprecation, but if it actually gets deeper to

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 1>like you don't value yourself. I just did a social

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 1>experiment when I had women come into a studio and

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I had them list on a white board the top

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 1>five things they value, and none of them wrote themselves, Like,

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 1>think about it, what would you guys write down? What

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 1>would myself either? I don't think anyone of anybody in

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 1>the studio I would right myself. Although I am underlying

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 1>all of the self deprecation and all that stuff. I

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 1>am one of the biggest egomaniacs I think that I

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>possibly know. And so it's like a weird dichotomy between

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 1>the two. But I think that people don't put themselves

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 1>because they trying to look outwardly right, Like they're not

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>trying to They're not like looking at themselves and saying me,

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I value myself the most, which they should, But I

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:23.640
<v Speaker 1>think that they're just kind of looking outward more right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just think we were never taught

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 1>that in school, right to Like, I think now it's

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 1>starting to change. Our educational system is starting to change

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 1>with like even emotional regulation and stuff like that. But

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>growing up in elementary school, I wasn't I was never

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 1>taught how to love myself totally. I mean, I allow

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<v Speaker 1>you the most bullsh things in school, like how to

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<v Speaker 1>dissect a frog or how to do the Pythagorean there,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, why do we need to know that in

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<v Speaker 1>our lives? I have no idea. Yeah, but I also

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 1>think that helping others gives, like for me, a satisfaction,

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 1>a joy, and so that is somewhat selfish. So when

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<v Speaker 1>I value other people, I guess I kind of do

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<v Speaker 1>value myself a little bit, just because I know that

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<v Speaker 1>by doing good it makes me feel better. So is

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<v Speaker 1>that a selfishacked Well, I don't think selfish is actually

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 1>a criticism. That's a whole other topic. I think, especially

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 1>for women, selfish is considered a criticism and selfless is

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>considered a compliment. But part of the definition of selfish

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:17.720
<v Speaker 1>is actually having concern for your own desires and needs,

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think that's a criticism. Being selfless is

0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>having no concern for your own desires and needs, and

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I think that should be the criticism above everything else.

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:28.400
<v Speaker 1>So I think you can't pour from an empty cup

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 1>like it's all good to be of service to other

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 1>people and if that makes you feel good, like modeled of,

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>but I think it makes everybody feel good, right yeah,

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>but if you are first taken care of, like you

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>can't pour for an empty cup, I think that when

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:44.280
<v Speaker 1>you're depleted, you can't be of service to other people.

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I also think people don't value themselves as much as

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>they value other people, because as human beings, we you know,

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 1>as an individual, I know every thought that goes through

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 1>my head, and I know every act that I do,

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and there are times where I am selfish, and there

0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>are times when I do things just for myself. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that knowing that as an individual and human being,

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:07.080
<v Speaker 1>immediately I hate myself for that. Does that make sense

0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 1>even though you shouldn't. And I think everybody goes through

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>this because everybody is selfish at a point, right, you know,

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 1>everybody does things for themselves, and so knowing that I

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>do that already, I think it already gives me that

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 1>thought of like, well people are it already makes me

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 1>hate myself if that makes sense, you feel guilty, of course,

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 1>how can you not, you know, um, yeah, I mean

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I can relate to that. I think growing up I

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 1>was someone who is I am still such a giver.

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 1>But I think once I decided to take charge in

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>what my happiness looks like, and I still struggle with

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 1>that every day. I still struggle with, like, really making

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 1>time for myself. I haven't before I went on the show.

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.719
<v Speaker 1>It's been three years that I've had a solid workout,

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>and for me, that was linked so heavily to my

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>mental health. I felt so good, I would eat better,

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I would be happier, And now I'm just like, oh,

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 1>it's hard for me to wake up in the morning.

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 1>It's hard for me to eat better because I that

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<v Speaker 1>part of my life, that puzzle piece is missing, and

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I just haven't found time for it. And that is

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>such a big excuse. I think it's so easy to

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 1>make excuses for yourself in life, and it takes a

0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:16.479
<v Speaker 1>much stronger person to be determined to say I'm going

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 1>to do this and I'm gonna stick by it for myself.

0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, yeah, I mean time is your most

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 1>valuable asset. And I think people say you can't find

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 1>time like I found balance. Balance is a noun and

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:28.719
<v Speaker 1>a verb. It's like not hiding under the couch. It's

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 1>not a game of hide and seek. It's not like

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 1>you find any piece out and you're done. It's I

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>use it as a verb because it's something you constantly

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>have to work on every day. So like prioritizing your

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 1>workout or your gratitude journal, or random acts of kindness

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>or community, like all of these things have been proven

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>scientifically to contribute to your well being and happiness. Like

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 1>I always go back to the data and the facts,

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.080
<v Speaker 1>not the woo woo stuff. And like I'm not saying

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>don't be a giver and don't develop community, because that's

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>actually one of the biggest telltale signs of successful people

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>that they have developed relationships and cultivated them. But not

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 1>at the expensive yourself. I mean think about like dating

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 1>to like hello, I totally secondating. This is a part

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 1>of my life that I have not figured out, but

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I know that like if I don't have my own

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 1>going on, like I'm not going to be a partner.

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>You guys, I'm assuming don't want somebody who's like all

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>about the other person. I mean, for so many years

0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:20.239
<v Speaker 1>I would say, well, when I get married or when

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I find somebody, then I'll go on this trip. Then

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll have that adventure. And then I was waiting and

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>waiting and waiting, and then I was tired of waiting

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:28.840
<v Speaker 1>and I just went on the adventures by myself. I

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>went to a movie by myself. I was like, this

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 1>is the rattest thing. Ever, how did I not do that?

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 1>The first movie I saw by myself was The Glass

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Castle because nobody wanted to see it with me, and

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I really loved this memoir and I

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 1>want to go see it. So I just went by

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>my damn's. First movie I ever saw by myself was

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Superman Returns. Nobody wanted to see it, so I went

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 1>opening day at eleven am first, showing the slightest Yeah. Anyway,

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 1>moving forward, it's very run for this conversation and be

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>a Superman too. But you should kill Superman, right or

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 1>like for you? I think it's this fictitious idea that

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:06.640
<v Speaker 1>we especially as women, and I had to choose women.

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>But all the advice is for everybody, I think, And

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.320
<v Speaker 1>when you're writing books, you have to just pick your audience.

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>You can't be all things to all people. Um, but

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 1>the advice is for men or for women. And it's

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 1>this ideal that we're you know, trying to live up

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:23.359
<v Speaker 1>to something that is unattainable. Like we leaned so far

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>into everything, Vanessa, that I think women in particular are

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:30.319
<v Speaker 1>just falling over. Like we're comparing ourselves to the best

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:32.759
<v Speaker 1>versions of each aspect of our lives. So like in

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 1>our fitness regime, we compare ourselves to like the fitness

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 1>blogger that has the you know, works out five hundred

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>hours you know a week. I don't think that's possible,

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>but whatever. Or we compare our you know, being a

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>mom to some home you know, some woman who makes

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.320
<v Speaker 1>bread and homeschools her kids. And we compare our business

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 1>life to like some CEO of a multibillion dollar company,

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and they don't have the same responsibilities that we do.

0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>But we try to be the best at each of

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:02.239
<v Speaker 1>those things. And that's rushing us right, And now it's

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 1>worse than ever because we can tap into everyone's life

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:07.439
<v Speaker 1>and feel like we're part of it, and then really

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:10.360
<v Speaker 1>feel like we can compare ourselves through social media, Instagram,

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:15.279
<v Speaker 1>the pictures that it's it's so hard, um, And I

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 1>relate to that too. And I think people think, you know,

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 1>they look at someone's lifestyle. I remember when I was single,

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, I'll look at a married couple and

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, they have the perfect relationship. Where I

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.800
<v Speaker 1>would look at something that that I didn't have, And

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 1>then at one point I'm like, what if they're looking

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:32.320
<v Speaker 1>at my single lifestyle and thinking like I wish I

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 1>were single or I wish I had that too. So

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 1>that's when I started really appreciating the life that I

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 1>that I have, um, and taking advantage of it. One

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:44.800
<v Speaker 1>question that I do have, though, which is hard for

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 1>me to do, is to I feel like I'm really

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>good at sensing people's energies, but it's sometimes hard for

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 1>me to like avoid having toxic people in my life. UM,

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:00.080
<v Speaker 1>what kind of advice can you give to someone like

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:03.320
<v Speaker 1>me who's like that person is toxic? Make sure that

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 1>you do set that boundary so that they don't, you know,

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 1>put on that negative energy and onto your life. It's true,

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.399
<v Speaker 1>I actually had to go through my whole friend list,

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and friend breakups are harder than breakup breakups in a

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of cases, but I really had to say just

0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 1>because we have history together, like and you're draining my energy,

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 1>but you're not actually telling your friends sorry, we're not

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:26.120
<v Speaker 1>hanging out anymore, right, or you just kind of like

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>ghosting them as a friend. Yeah, I have a whole

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 1>plan in the book actually of sometimes like you actually

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 1>have to say something, and sometimes you trail off and

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 1>you're protecting yourself because I'm going through this phase right

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>now where I mean, it's not really the same thing,

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 1>but in a sense it is. I'm on following a

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of people on Instagram that aren't like motivating me

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 1>to do the things that I want to be doing.

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 1>If i haven't talked to you a long time, I've

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:49.279
<v Speaker 1>still following. I'm checking my phone right now. They're very

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm on following many many people because they're not adding

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 1>any value to my life, and we don't we don't

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:56.680
<v Speaker 1>talk regularly, so there's no point in me continuing to

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 1>keep up with their life, right, So do you think

0:36:58.600 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 1>it's important for me to reach out to them and

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, I'm on following you know, I don't

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 1>think we need to have that conversation. So that's what

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:05.440
<v Speaker 1>you're saying, sometimes it's necessary to have that. Yeah, if

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>they confront you and they're like, yo, So I've been

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:09.440
<v Speaker 1>confronted by multi people they say, hey, why do you

0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:11.759
<v Speaker 1>wanna follow me on Instagram? And I always say, oh,

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. I guess it must have been a glitch

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:15.839
<v Speaker 1>in the app or something. I'll refollow you because I'm

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>so unconfrontational that I don't want to be like, I

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:19.680
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I just wasn't interested in the stuff that

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>you were posting anymore, or I don't know what what

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 1>is your advice on that? I mean, I would just say, like,

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm using my Instagram primarily for work right now, and

0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 1>I hope you're well or whatever. You know. I don't

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:31.879
<v Speaker 1>think you need to lie necessarily about it. And most

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff that you probably do on social media

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 1>is for work. It is, but it's also it's like

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:39.239
<v Speaker 1>I still follow friends. I always just say, oh, I'm

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:41.719
<v Speaker 1>only following travel and dog accounts right now, so I'm

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>not following any human accounts. I think we feel like

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 1>we have a responsibility to certain people, you know, for

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:51.400
<v Speaker 1>a variety of reasons, and studies have shown that you

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:54.279
<v Speaker 1>need two out of three things to maintain relationships. So

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:56.800
<v Speaker 1>shared history, so like if you grew up together or

0:37:56.840 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 1>if you went through something traumatic together. Um, common interest risks,

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 1>so if you like the same things. And also an

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 1>equality in the relationship, so somebody is not a mooch.

0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 1>If you only have one of those things, that's not

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 1>for sustainable relationships. You actually have to ask yourself if

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 1>you have more than one of those things, and if

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't, then cut people to the curb. I mean,

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>time is your most valuable asset. You can always get

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:21.400
<v Speaker 1>more money, you cannot get more time. Yeah, that's so

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 1>hard though. I mean I guess when when it comes

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:25.840
<v Speaker 1>to friends and not that it might be easier. But

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:27.879
<v Speaker 1>if you're working at nine to five job and you're

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 1>with people who are toxic, how do you get rid

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>of them? Or how do you distance yourself from people

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 1>who you're not compatible with at work? Yeah? I mean, well,

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 1>it's important to have like work homies to that elevate you.

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:44.880
<v Speaker 1>And if somebody is a drag on your time. I

0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 1>mean it's case by case dependent. But I went through

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 1>UM so when I had this total breakdown, I needed

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 1>to rethink basically everything and everything we've been told as cliche.

0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:56.800
<v Speaker 1>I had to go back and say, like, is this

0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 1>actually applicable to me? So I listed it by city,

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:03.320
<v Speaker 1>and I came up with, you know, my notebook, and

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:05.799
<v Speaker 1>I literally wrote down, like, here are the people who

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:08.719
<v Speaker 1>are good influences in my life in l A and

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 1>New York. And I would like stick to the list

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:13.800
<v Speaker 1>because in a time of you know, clarity, I wrote

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 1>down that list of people who elevate me are contributing

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:21.320
<v Speaker 1>to you know, my betterment of my career or my

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, share my morals or values or whatever. And

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>then like in a time of weakness where they're you know,

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>tugging at me, I go back and I'm like, we

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 1>are they on the list? When I was like in

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 1>this really good space, and then I crossed back that well, Nicola,

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to say thank you so much for

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:36.840
<v Speaker 1>joining us today. You were quite a pleasure to have

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:40.279
<v Speaker 1>a studio. Likewise, guys taking another clappy thing, Yeah it's

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 1>another clap Let's let's let's go exactly, we'll give you

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.399
<v Speaker 1>a clappy thing. We'll give you one, but not because

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 1>you're asking for what. We're going to give it because

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.920
<v Speaker 1>you deserve it. But before we do that, let's talk

0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 1>about your book that you just published. Great, let's talk

0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:01.400
<v Speaker 1>about Becoming Superwoman. Step plan to get um to go

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<v Speaker 1>from burnout to balance? Where can we find it? If

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<v Speaker 1>we want to go first step you guys already did,

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<v Speaker 1>which is having you on the podcast. Yes, okay, admitting

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<v Speaker 1>you have a problem. Well that's the first right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>All the books are twelve, so yeah, you can get

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<v Speaker 1>it wherever books are sold, Amazon, Barnes, and Noble. To

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:21.880
<v Speaker 1>make sure you're wearing your wedding ring, um, let's realist

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>your wedding ring in New York. And should we talk

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:29.279
<v Speaker 1>about the right handed wedding ring that I bought myself. Yeah.

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I got in a fight with my ex and I

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<v Speaker 1>just like walked over to the jewelry store and I

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<v Speaker 1>went into the wedding section and I was like, oh,

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll take that one. They're like, you're getting married. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like yet to myself, here's my own credit card. So

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<v Speaker 1>Becoming Becoming Superwoman on shelves now? Is it via available

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<v Speaker 1>on audiobook? It is? I wrote, I read the whole

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:48.920
<v Speaker 1>audiobook like I never wanted to hear the sound of

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 1>my voice ever. Ever? Did that take you a week? Boss?

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:53.919
<v Speaker 1>Bitch took like a week and a half. It was longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard shook about a week too. So for the listeners

0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 1>out there, if you're enjoying this beautiful voice you're hearing

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>on this podcast, you want to get more of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Becoming Superwoman and Boss Bitch both available on audiobook. I'm on,

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0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>lunch plug it right now? Yeah, hush hush money money. Yeah.

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:16.440
<v Speaker 1>My co host is editor in chief of Entrepreneur magazine,

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:19.759
<v Speaker 1>Jason Piper, And so yeah, we debate taboo topics that

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.239
<v Speaker 1>nobody wants to talk about about money, and then we

0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 1>bring in a celebrity. Give us, give us one taboo topic.

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Who pays on a first date? To talk about that

0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:30.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot? Do you lend your friends money? Do you

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 1>lend your friends money? That's a good one. That's a

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 1>hard one. They're all hard questions, and nobody wants to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that pends on the do you share your

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 1>salary with your significant So many about guess are you

0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 1>and actually merging your bank accounts now that you're married?

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Another good question? Do you have a secrestal question? Is

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the personal question? But I think I think that's the right, mo.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you get a prenup so we have a secret

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 1>account as women? Yes? What do you mean a secret

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 1>account as winning have your own back secret? Should a

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>man have a secret if you want to have a

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 1>secret out, I'm just talking about my girls. Secret secrets

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:07.799
<v Speaker 1>are no fun. Secret secrets for someone. Secrets don't make

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:11.279
<v Speaker 1>friends people okay, yeah, but also they don't pay the bills.

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.480
<v Speaker 1>How about Instagram, Twitter? You're on all those things, I assume, right, Yeah,

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 1>wherever you can find social media or books, I am

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:19.880
<v Speaker 1>there at Nicole Lapin, At Nicole Lappin. That's the pleasure

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>having a unique full name. You can get the handle

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:26.120
<v Speaker 1>of just your name and last name is spelled l

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 1>A p I N Lappin. Wait a minute, really he

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 1>did the founder of Twitter. Al Right, guys, see you later.

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 1>The wedding amazing. Now, thanks, don't say too much. You

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 1>might un verify you on Twitter again. Guys in Nicole

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 1>lapping You can check out a book, Becoming Superwoman, a

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<v Speaker 1>simple twelve step plan to go from burnout to balance,

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<v Speaker 1>available September seventeen in bookstores and audiobooks. So go check

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<v Speaker 1>it out. Nicole, Thank you so much for coming inause. Yeah,

0:42:57.000 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 1>you guys to Hey, welcome back to help I suck

0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 1>at dating. And we have two very special guests that

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.359
<v Speaker 1>are on the phone right now. You know him from

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:17.120
<v Speaker 1>his hit show Catfish and their new show We Need

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 1>to Talk, which is from Attention. It is now on

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Facebook Watch season four. We have Nive Shulman and Laura Prolongedo.

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<v Speaker 1>You've all You've also got Bow and Cleo Shulman here

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 1>who might chime in from time to time? Now and clear?

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Are your two kids? Correct? Congratulations? And who's the youngest.

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 1>You just had a baby this past year. Correct, that's right.

0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 1>We have eight months old Bow and almost three year

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:50.399
<v Speaker 1>old daughter Cleo. Wow, congratulations guys, that's incredible. Um. Nive,

0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah, I know you guys are promoting We

0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Need to Talk right now, which, like I said, is

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.960
<v Speaker 1>on Facebook Watch. What kind of generated the show from

0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:00.600
<v Speaker 1>the start? Why did you want to do this? So? Uh?

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I had been working with Attention for years. The guys

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:07.680
<v Speaker 1>who started our friends of Mine, and I was just

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:10.400
<v Speaker 1>really excited that they were making videos that were obviously

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:15.320
<v Speaker 1>social especially driven, and you know, with the intention of

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 1>helping raise awareness about issues that needed to be talked about.

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:23.719
<v Speaker 1>And my wife and I before we were married, when

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 1>she first got pregnant. Um, besides to make a video

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 1>about how storily companies in America needs to improve their

0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>parental leave policies. And video did so well that we

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 1>started making more videos together as a couple, and people

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:43.239
<v Speaker 1>seem to really respond to us together, and we just

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:45.239
<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed working with each other. So we kind of

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 1>developed this idea of how do we help people in

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 1>relationships kind of figure their way through being single, being

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:53.880
<v Speaker 1>in a relationship, breaking up, and all this sort of

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 1>stuff in between. Well, that's incredible. And now you guys,

0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:00.680
<v Speaker 1>it's about it's like a six minute you a podcast

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 1>that you can watch on Facebook right where you guys

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:05.840
<v Speaker 1>answer questions, you give advice, you talk about relationships, you

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:09.120
<v Speaker 1>talk about your own relationship. That's right, Yeah, exactly. People

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:12.239
<v Speaker 1>call in and ask us this about anything, and we

0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 1>usually don't have one answer, but several answers, different approaches

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:18.759
<v Speaker 1>to things. Uh. It's funny because me and I often

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 1>disagree on the best route for solving common relationship problems,

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:29.640
<v Speaker 1>like I say, I say it's okay to go. Really definitely,

0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.400
<v Speaker 1>it's the modern world, the modern world, so I'm a

0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 1>big fan of staying friends with with your exes, where

0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Laura is not not as good as that. Now that

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 1>did might be because her exes don't want to be

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:44.279
<v Speaker 1>friends with her? Are your friends with? I am with

0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 1>the acception of ones. I've remained very friendly with my

0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:52.160
<v Speaker 1>long term exs, you know, not not the short term ones,

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 1>but the meaningful relationships. So we've talked about that on

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 1>the podcast before, and some have said that there's a

0:45:57.680 --> 0:45:59.879
<v Speaker 1>bit of like narcissism that goes because I'm the same

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 1>as you need. I believe it's important to stay friendly

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 1>with your exes. But some people believe that you're wanting

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 1>to do that or your willingness to do that is

0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:10.279
<v Speaker 1>because like you need that own vindication in yourself, do you,

0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 1>But you don't, you're holding them back alone. Now, I

0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 1>just agree. I think that my active holds the key

0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:22.400
<v Speaker 1>too many of my own deep dark secrets. So I

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 1>want them on my side, you know, I want them

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:28.480
<v Speaker 1>to like me. Well they're not. They're not inspired to,

0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, potentially reveal things about me that you know

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>they might know. Keep your friends clothes, keep your enemies.

0:46:35.239 --> 0:46:37.440
<v Speaker 1>But Laura, would you be friends with needs exs too

0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:42.279
<v Speaker 1>or is it? How does that work? It's a little weird.

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't hang out with them. I'm just like once

0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:46.880
<v Speaker 1>in a while, I, you know, will communicate with an

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:49.359
<v Speaker 1>email or hey, how you doing or congrats on your

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 1>new kid or whatever, stuff like that, reply to a

0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:54.400
<v Speaker 1>story or something, and they know that you're always thinking

0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:56.480
<v Speaker 1>about that. The real question is, Laura, would you be

0:46:56.600 --> 0:47:00.319
<v Speaker 1>friends with me if we broke up? Yeah, I would

0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 1>have to. I think that kids, the kids out of

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:06.520
<v Speaker 1>wrinkle and the yes, the kids. The business adds all

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 1>types of wrinkles. And I'm surprised to hear that Laura

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:11.640
<v Speaker 1>says that ghosting is an okay thing to do in

0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 1>two thousand nineteen because obviously the resounding obviously everyone's on

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 1>their high horse and they say, no, you should never ghost.

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:20.239
<v Speaker 1>You should provide closure for both parties. But you see,

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 1>you said you think it's a good thing. I think

0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:26.560
<v Speaker 1>there's way too much responsibility on people now with social

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:29.239
<v Speaker 1>media to like maintain all these relationships to make sure

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:33.040
<v Speaker 1>everyone feels okay, and it's just a lot of energy

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:36.680
<v Speaker 1>that you're using on things that shouldn't matter anymore. Well,

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 1>I think that really that just depends on how many

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:42.279
<v Speaker 1>relationships you're in, Right, that's true. But I think, I mean,

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I think after a date or two casuals, ghost is okay.

0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think if you've been a for a few months,

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, that would be kind of messed up. And

0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you owe someone anything After a couple

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:54.520
<v Speaker 1>of days, it's like, all right, I didn't work out,

0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:57.000
<v Speaker 1>move on. I think some people deserve to be ghosted.

0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:58.640
<v Speaker 1>There are some weird people out there that you can

0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:01.200
<v Speaker 1>go on a date with the just act weird and

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:03.480
<v Speaker 1>they just deserved to never hear from you, and you

0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:06.439
<v Speaker 1>want to give them as little information about you as possible. Yeah,

0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>I agree. So so what else are you guys working on.

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:14.319
<v Speaker 1>You've got Catfish obviously going on seven seasons. That is incredible.

0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 1>When you started Catfish, could you ever imagine it would

0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:19.280
<v Speaker 1>have taken off and become such a pop culture phenomenon

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:23.279
<v Speaker 1>as it is now? Definitely not um. But almost more

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:28.280
<v Speaker 1>astounding to me is this is by far the longest

0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I've ever held a job. So I'm just amazed that I,

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:34.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, almost eight years later, I'm still working on

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:38.239
<v Speaker 1>the same things. I impressed myself even sometimes to think

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:40.960
<v Speaker 1>that I I've managed to keep this thing going. And

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:43.080
<v Speaker 1>let's say the same thing about Dean with this podcast.

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:45.520
<v Speaker 1>But it was I knew you, guys, I wanted to

0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:47.279
<v Speaker 1>beat you. That's one of the most refreshing things I

0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:50.759
<v Speaker 1>think I've heard all that. Well, so, but you were

0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:53.839
<v Speaker 1>originally correct if I'm wrong. So there was a documentary

0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 1>on catfishing that you were the central point focus of, right,

0:48:58.000 --> 0:48:59.759
<v Speaker 1>and then we spun that off, and then you became

0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the to the show Catfish. That's right. So essentially I

0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 1>got catfish before. That's what it was called. Um My

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 1>brother made a documentary about it, which we didn't know

0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:10.919
<v Speaker 1>it was going to turn into a thing, but it did,

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and we called it catfish, not even expecting that that

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:17.320
<v Speaker 1>would then get turned into the word to describe the

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:21.120
<v Speaker 1>sort of act of fake profile creation. Um, but it did.

0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:23.360
<v Speaker 1>And then people just started reaching out to me with

0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 1>all their weird, wild, creative stories and I just didn't

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:29.680
<v Speaker 1>know which sort of responded by saying, all right, well

0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:32.680
<v Speaker 1>people need help with their situations. Maybe maybe we can

0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 1>make a show. So you're saying that your brother is

0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:38.040
<v Speaker 1>the one that coined the term catfish, Well, I mean,

0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:40.720
<v Speaker 1>technically we all deal you know all of us who

0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 1>were part of the film. Yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:47.200
<v Speaker 1>the origins why catfish. So in the documentary when we

0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:50.800
<v Speaker 1>were essentially without giving away because you obviously haven't seen it,

0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:53.160
<v Speaker 1>you should not, not because it has anything do with me,

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:55.360
<v Speaker 1>just because I think it's a really beautiful film. But

0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I thought I was talking to this young woman who

0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:01.480
<v Speaker 1>I was calling in love with and her whole family.

0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:04.160
<v Speaker 1>And when I got finally to Michigan to meet them

0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 1>and discovered the truth, Um, we ended up talking to

0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:11.680
<v Speaker 1>a few other people involved, including the husband of the

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:15.680
<v Speaker 1>woman who was involved, and she she told us the

0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:20.360
<v Speaker 1>story about fisherman using catfish in that in these giant

0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:24.600
<v Speaker 1>tanks under their ships while they were extending weeks uh

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:28.719
<v Speaker 1>at the to tape the cod fish that they were

0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:33.040
<v Speaker 1>catching around to keep them moving and antile and sort

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:37.880
<v Speaker 1>of flesh tasty and well whatever, And so in life,

0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:40.160
<v Speaker 1>he says, there are people like that who are catfish

0:50:40.160 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 1>who kind of keep us all getting and keep us

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:44.520
<v Speaker 1>on our toes and sort of nipping at our fins,

0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 1>if you will. And so it was sort of meant

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 1>to be a beautiful metaphor for those who you might

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:53.800
<v Speaker 1>call rule breakers or people who you know, draw outside

0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the lines or sink outside the box. Um, little did

0:50:57.760 --> 0:50:59.480
<v Speaker 1>you know that was going to be the word shouted

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:03.759
<v Speaker 1>at you as you walk down the street. Yeah, I

0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:06.799
<v Speaker 1>mean it's kind of turned. It's it's like the name

0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:10.239
<v Speaker 1>of modern dating, you know, because now there's so many

0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:13.919
<v Speaker 1>different names, Like we talked about ghosting, breadcrumbing, all these

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:16.920
<v Speaker 1>different meanings, These different words now have taken on so

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 1>many different definitions in the modern dating world, and it

0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:23.680
<v Speaker 1>really all originated with catfish. So you, my friend, have

0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:27.399
<v Speaker 1>made your staple on the history of the world. Well,

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:30.359
<v Speaker 1>thank you, Yeah, David as a dictionary. Um, so, Laura,

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:32.200
<v Speaker 1>let me ask you, have you ever been catfished? Or

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever been ghosted? Because I'm curious now with

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<v Speaker 1>your ghosting take if you've ever been ghosted. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>been ghosted, but I've ghosted a plenty. Have I ever

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<v Speaker 1>been cat fished? You know, I think we were all

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<v Speaker 1>catfishing and catfished on like early Internet, you know, cat

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<v Speaker 1>rooms on AM. You would go on and you'd say

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<v Speaker 1>a s O and you'd lie and be like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen when you were eleven. Yeah, my entire childish that's

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<v Speaker 1>a very funny way of looking at it, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>spot on. I've definitely pretended to be someone else in

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<v Speaker 1>chat rooms many times as a kid, just board and

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<v Speaker 1>having fun, and as a kid you do so many fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Dumb we judge these people, but like, if everyone knows

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<v Speaker 1>the most fun you can have? Have you ever been

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<v Speaker 1>on I used to go on what's the now? My

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<v Speaker 1>mind is blanking? It was the misconnections on craigslist? Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you good lord. You ever go on those? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what like if you only go to

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<v Speaker 1>look if you feel as though you have one? So

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<v Speaker 1>went on and you have. Somebody introduced me to this

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<v Speaker 1>and was like, have you ever heard of mixed connections

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<v Speaker 1>on craig List? And they would just read through them

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<v Speaker 1>in These poor people who just thought they saw the

0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:52.680
<v Speaker 1>love of their life passed by them at a grocery

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<v Speaker 1>store would go on this misconnections on craig list and say, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>if the woman who is at stopping shop one pm

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday was wearing a blue shirt saw me, please respond

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<v Speaker 1>to this because I think that we had a strong connection.

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<v Speaker 1>Like oh, it's just so heartbreaking but also addicting to

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<v Speaker 1>read I mean, if I'm being honest, I probably have

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<v Speaker 1>like a dopy misconnections every day. You might have one

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<v Speaker 1>right now. No, I don't mean I don't need people

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to I you know, I just every time I

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<v Speaker 1>went down the street, I think, oh that person is cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. If that's not a good enough tease

0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:34.920
<v Speaker 1>for everybody to tune in, we need to talk on Facebook.

0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what is it. So do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have one common question that people always ask you about

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:44.160
<v Speaker 1>relationships that you see reoccurring? I think, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the biggest question people are asking should I end it?

0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:50.840
<v Speaker 1>But that mean that should be also just a plethora

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<v Speaker 1>of issues that come up. But people just really are

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<v Speaker 1>unsture of themselves when it comes to continuing a relationship

0:53:56.719 --> 0:54:01.640
<v Speaker 1>or for ending it. Um. And so do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that your background with Catfish do you think that's hurt

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<v Speaker 1>or helped your relationships? I'm curious about that. Uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>funny I think being in a position to discuss just

0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:15.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, because we obviously the show is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>based on online relationships that have some element of mystery

0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:26.560
<v Speaker 1>to them. Um, but the actual dating part is minimal.

0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:28.719
<v Speaker 1>When you kind of get to the core of what

0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the show is, which is just like people talking about

0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:32.680
<v Speaker 1>how they feel. And so I think, on one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely improved my listening skills because I do my

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<v Speaker 1>best to hear with these people have to say, and

0:54:39.800 --> 0:54:43.920
<v Speaker 1>in the moment the very little time, understand, interpret and

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<v Speaker 1>offer some sort of advice or something that might be helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, I mean, I think I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's made me a just a better person, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think in turn makes me a better person in relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>if nothing more, if nothing else more honest maybe, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the biggest thing too. You go through

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<v Speaker 1>all this kind of like this weird stuff, especially being

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<v Speaker 1>Catfish and then it becoming so public and then hosting

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<v Speaker 1>the show. I'm sure, especially as a host, what you

0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:12.879
<v Speaker 1>see most is people being dishonest, which only in turn

0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:14.400
<v Speaker 1>makes you want to be more honest in your own

0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:16.799
<v Speaker 1>personal health. Yes, No, I mean, but if I'm being

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<v Speaker 1>honest now, I think being famous makes me a better

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:24.040
<v Speaker 1>person because nowadays, if you're famous, like you can't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything wrong without someone known seeing or taking a picture

0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:30.759
<v Speaker 1>or a video, Like you can't put it online because

0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:33.200
<v Speaker 1>someone's gonna screenshot like, so now I'm on the straight

0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:36.320
<v Speaker 1>and narrow because I have to be right and I

0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:37.920
<v Speaker 1>want to be There's a quote that I like that

0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:40.279
<v Speaker 1>I heard recently. It says, act so you can tell

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<v Speaker 1>the truth about how you act, and if you're famous,

0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:44.920
<v Speaker 1>people obviously always know how you act, and so it

0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:48.520
<v Speaker 1>just kind of or on the flip side of that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, grant, I don't know what it's like to

0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:51.640
<v Speaker 1>be famous or anything like that, but you can just

0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:53.439
<v Speaker 1>act like a head and get away with it whatever

0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:55.399
<v Speaker 1>you want. You know, you either have to go full

0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:58.400
<v Speaker 1>head like totally lean into it and just be that,

0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:01.400
<v Speaker 1>or have to be a saint and not many of

0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:03.839
<v Speaker 1>you make one mistake, you know. I hope that your

0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:07.440
<v Speaker 1>fans will will stay, you know, get your back. I

0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:09.160
<v Speaker 1>took their out of just moving into a van and

0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:11.400
<v Speaker 1>hoping for the best, and it's it's actually worked out

0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:14.040
<v Speaker 1>pretty well for me so far. To be honest, stop

0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:19.439
<v Speaker 1>stealing bread. Niven and and Laura to tell us more

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<v Speaker 1>about where we can find you guys to watch the

0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:24.319
<v Speaker 1>show because it's airing right now right season it's yeah,

0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:27.160
<v Speaker 1>season four on four is on Facebook Live right so right,

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:29.880
<v Speaker 1>so so yeah, you can find the page for the

0:56:29.920 --> 0:56:32.440
<v Speaker 1>show we need to talk by just searching for we

0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:35.560
<v Speaker 1>need to talk on Facebook. We're also on americ you

0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:39.240
<v Speaker 1>want to find our pages and uh yeah, we're posting

0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:41.680
<v Speaker 1>new episode every Friday, I think, and the first one

0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:43.399
<v Speaker 1>just went up. And where else can we find you guys?

0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Obviously Instagram, Twitter, all that kind of stuff. I would so, yeah,

0:56:46.120 --> 0:56:49.920
<v Speaker 1>of course Snapchat, although Laura's Laura snaps out a lot

0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:54.960
<v Speaker 1>more than I do. Snap that's where to go. Tell me,

0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 1>you guys don't have TikTok. Do you have TikTok? Oh? Yeah,

0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:01.160
<v Speaker 1>we don't really you tech talk, but we should. We

0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:03.680
<v Speaker 1>should probably get on. I keep hearing everyone's always like

0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:06.759
<v Speaker 1>TikTok's the future, TikTok's the younger Demo. Every time I

0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:08.400
<v Speaker 1>hear that, I just think to myself, there is not

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<v Speaker 1>a chance in snowflake's chance in hell I ever get

0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:14.640
<v Speaker 1>on TikTok. No I try. I created the user name

0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:18.000
<v Speaker 1>just so I would have it, but I can't, honestly cannot.

0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I feel like a grandparent when I go on there

0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:23.840
<v Speaker 1>because I have no idea how to use it exactly.

0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm twenty eight years old, and I feel the same

0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:28.560
<v Speaker 1>exact way I feel like I don't belong anyway. Thank

0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:30.040
<v Speaker 1>you guys so much for calling it and joining us.

0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:32.600
<v Speaker 1>We appreciate it. We will be sure to check in

0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:35.280
<v Speaker 1>on the We Need to Talk show on Attention on

0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Facebook watch um, and we're looking forward to seeing more

0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:41.320
<v Speaker 1>from you guys. Like you said, you guys, you guys

0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:42.920
<v Speaker 1>got something special, So we're looking forward to more and

0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:46.280
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk to you soon. Neve, Laura, thank you. Thank

0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:49.080
<v Speaker 1>you guys. I guess well, there you go. Dude needs

0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:55.080
<v Speaker 1>awesome and I I love their energy. I I I

0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:57.320
<v Speaker 1>will admit I have not seen We Need to Talk.

0:57:57.480 --> 0:57:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go binge watch all four seasons right

0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:03.560
<v Speaker 1>now because they're captivating to listen to. Even right off

0:58:03.600 --> 0:58:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the bat, She's like, I think you should ghost people,

0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:07.520
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, I think you should be friends with

0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:10.760
<v Speaker 1>your X and I'm like, I love them both. They're

0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:12.680
<v Speaker 1>just so raw and honest. I never saw I've never

0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:15.680
<v Speaker 1>seen We Need to Talk. I've never seen the documentary

0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:17.000
<v Speaker 1>that Neive was on, but I've seen quite a few

0:58:17.040 --> 0:58:19.280
<v Speaker 1>episodes of Catfish and I like Neive and it's funny

0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:21.160
<v Speaker 1>to be able to talk to him now. I wish

0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I uh wif you had more time, or maybe we

0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:25.120
<v Speaker 1>had him to come into the studio. Just I feel

0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:26.520
<v Speaker 1>like that would be a lot of fun I wish

0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:28.680
<v Speaker 1>were both in studio if you want. It would be funny.

0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Actually is if his or him or his pr people

0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:34.240
<v Speaker 1>would set up like in person interviews and then showing

0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:36.480
<v Speaker 1>up to the interview would be someone completely different. He

0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:41.400
<v Speaker 1>would catfish interviews. That's such. Why are you not his publicism?

0:58:41.720 --> 0:58:43.800
<v Speaker 1>This needs to happen now on a big stage And

0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:45.840
<v Speaker 1>if you're listening to this and honestly, why wouldn't you

0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:48.840
<v Speaker 1>be do that and give me like on Live with

0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Kelly and Ryan. Yeah, you know, it's like a big

0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:55.400
<v Speaker 1>stage like that, and they hype up his entrance and

0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:59.120
<v Speaker 1>out walks Dean from Paradise. He's like, no, I'm neive, guys,

0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:01.520
<v Speaker 1>what are you talking about? That would be very funny.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be fantastic. Anyways, that'll do it for this

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<v Speaker 1>week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating? Big thank

0:59:07.280 --> 0:59:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you to everyone involved, Vanessa, Jared Nive, Laura Nicole. Wow,

0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:15.640
<v Speaker 1>we had a lot of people in today. Um. Thank

0:59:15.720 --> 0:59:18.160
<v Speaker 1>you to our sponsors as well. We couldn't be here

0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:20.040
<v Speaker 1>with at you, But most importantly, we couldn't be here

0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:22.240
<v Speaker 1>without the listeners, So thank you to you guys. Be

0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:23.920
<v Speaker 1>sure to tune in next week where we're gonna be

0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:27.640
<v Speaker 1>a recording live from Las Vegas, Nevada, Las Vegas. What

0:59:27.760 --> 0:59:30.520
<v Speaker 1>happens in Vegas never stays in Vegas. Don't especially when

0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:32.520
<v Speaker 1>you record a podcast, because then it just gets broadcast

0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:35.240
<v Speaker 1>the entire world. Um, we look forward to that. We

0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:39.520
<v Speaker 1>are going to talk about things and stuff that you're

0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:42.720
<v Speaker 1>not gonna want to miss. Cool story bro. Anyways, be

0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:44.520
<v Speaker 1>sure to tune in then because maybe we'll suck a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit less. Follow help by Suck at Dating with Dean,

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