Speaker 1: Hell, I suck a Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared
Speaker 1: and I heart radio podcast. What is Up, Sucky Daters?
Speaker 1: It is Dean Unglert and I am back in studio.
Speaker 1: It is September six. I believe I'm here with Mark Easton,
Speaker 1: Jared and Vanessa. We have a very special episode for
Speaker 1: you guys. We have Nicole Lappin, who is the author
Speaker 1: of Boss Beach, Boss Bitch's book, but the newest one
Speaker 1: that she just wrote is Becoming Superwoman, and she is,
Speaker 1: in my eyes, a super woman, a space between the
Speaker 1: words that she likes to put it. She's not superwoman,
Speaker 1: but she is a superwoman. We're gonna talk to her.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to Nive and Laura from Catfished a
Speaker 1: little later on. I'm sure you guys have seen that
Speaker 1: show on MTV. Basically they just go out and find
Speaker 1: people who have been catfished, and he was actually the
Speaker 1: very first person to be a gut to have gotten catfished.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk to them a little bit. But
Speaker 1: before we do that, it wasn't the first person ever
Speaker 1: to get cat fished. I mean people have gotten which
Speaker 1: his first term. Yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah, m
Speaker 1: so by the term. They coined the term catfish, and
Speaker 1: then they made a documentary about Nive getting cat fished,
Speaker 1: and then that documentary spun off a couple of years
Speaker 1: later into Nive hosting the show Catfished on MTV, which
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've all seen. I don't really watch television,
Speaker 1: but I've seen that show, so I've seen it. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it's neat to make up a phrase that
Speaker 1: becomes part of the language. I'm curious. I'm curious to
Speaker 1: talk to more to them more about that, because I
Speaker 1: I don't believe that they've convented the phrase. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't how does it like? How how could they
Speaker 1: have done that? You don't just go out and do that.
Speaker 1: I haven't like John Hynd He's the guy that invented
Speaker 1: jump the Shark and the concept of jumping the shark,
Speaker 1: and now everybody says jump the shark. Never heard anyone
Speaker 1: say jump the shark. I can't be the only one
Speaker 1: you heard that. I've used it before, I use it
Speaker 1: to me. The premise originally was when does a TV
Speaker 1: show jump the shark? Like, for example, on Happy Days
Speaker 1: in the funds used as motorcycle to jump a shark.
Speaker 1: That show wasn't good anymore. It's when a TV show
Speaker 1: stops being cool and exciting and fun. And every TV
Speaker 1: show has that moment. It because when you're on the
Speaker 1: other side of the shark, it's like, what's interesting. It's
Speaker 1: it's they do. It's often when you add a younger,
Speaker 1: cuter cast member, when there's a marriage on the show,
Speaker 1: it's like after that, the excitement and newness of the
Speaker 1: show is gone, and it's not as fun as it
Speaker 1: used to be. Like name a show, name a show.
Speaker 1: Bolt jumped the shark. H I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: that in my head when you guys are Yeah, because
Speaker 1: there might be a couple of moments when they jumped
Speaker 1: the shark, probably when Jim and Pam get married, Yeah,
Speaker 1: finally get together, more than when Michael leaves. Oh that
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah, that's a definitely shark. The shark
Speaker 1: wasn't jumped by then, Yes, it's definitely definitely And usually
Speaker 1: that's it. Main characters getting together, main character leaving, new
Speaker 1: character coming. These are off shark jumps. But anyway, you
Speaker 1: guys are you guys are business? Uh, what's the word
Speaker 1: I'm looking for? Uh Man, business man, business casual. You
Speaker 1: guys are in the scene. You guys are in the
Speaker 1: Hollywood world more than I am, so you just know
Speaker 1: it better than me. Well, they're not here, So we
Speaker 1: could say that this podcast jump the shark when we
Speaker 1: added Jared and Vanessa. I think we all could agree
Speaker 1: on that. And then again and that's that's the real
Speaker 1: jump the shark moment. But anyway, that's become something as
Speaker 1: a phrase people use it to describe not Jeff TV shows,
Speaker 1: but all kinds of things. But anyway, we digress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we're talking about we're talking about cat fishing and
Speaker 1: how that became in the Zeit Guy. Anyway, we haven't
Speaker 1: had a van update in a while of them later, Yes,
Speaker 1: let's give a van update for now before Jared Vanessa.
Speaker 1: They're running late as usual. Um, so they're gonna jump
Speaker 1: in a little bit later on, but I guess in
Speaker 1: the meantime, I'll just tell you guys about my life
Speaker 1: and and obviously the van has been a pretty central
Speaker 1: figure in uh Bachelor in Paradise this season, more so
Speaker 1: than I ever expected it to be. I'm surprised I'm
Speaker 1: getting as much screen time as I am because it's
Speaker 1: just it's just so funny to me. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: van has been going well. Um, I I did the
Speaker 1: van full time as of I think it was the
Speaker 1: end of May, so we're right around three months now,
Speaker 1: maybe a little longer. But again, I like, you know,
Speaker 1: I travel on an actually a lot, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of nice to like not have to pay rent while
Speaker 1: I'm gone. But the van itself is doing well. Um.
Speaker 1: I've had to get some work done on it, which
Speaker 1: has been frustrating. It's like, I'm saving two thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a month on rent, but just last week I had
Speaker 1: to get a thousand dollars of worth of work done
Speaker 1: on getting a computer chip reinstalled on it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So the newer van, I forget. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a two thous and six, so I mean not
Speaker 1: really knew. You know, it's got low it's got seventy
Speaker 1: thousand miles on it, so not many miles. It's a
Speaker 1: diesel engine, so it runs forever um. And it's a
Speaker 1: you know, it's a sprinter cargo van, so it's made
Speaker 1: for distance and so it shouldn't break down often, but
Speaker 1: when it does. It's a Mercedes, so it's expensive to fix.
Speaker 1: What are some disadvantages you found that maybe you didn't anticipate,
Speaker 1: other than maintenance on the van, just in day to
Speaker 1: day life. Well, when I'm living in the van, I'm
Speaker 1: not in Los Angeles, so I haven't really run into
Speaker 1: anything that I disliked about that. We're where do you
Speaker 1: park this thing right now? It's parked on the street?
Speaker 1: Is that how it when you're sleeping it, I usually
Speaker 1: out of street somewhere. Was that the thing when I'm
Speaker 1: when I'm sleeping in it, I'm not in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm somewhere more rural, and so I can sleep
Speaker 1: in a campsite area or you know, I've slept in
Speaker 1: Oregon a couple of times. I'm like literally just like
Speaker 1: on the side of the road. But the road is
Speaker 1: like it's a frontage road, so there's not many how
Speaker 1: it's not not much traffic going on, and there's these
Speaker 1: all these these these long roads that you're on. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of like semi trucks that pull over and
Speaker 1: sleep on the side of the road as well, And
Speaker 1: so I'll just basically join them as like a little brother,
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm like a little baby compared to them.
Speaker 1: Is there a website you can go to to see
Speaker 1: where it's okay to park your car overnight? There is? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never been on it, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: it's called, but I know that they exist. So far,
Speaker 1: you're just doing it on your own. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: haven't run into a single issue, and so I think
Speaker 1: until I run into an issue, I'll probably have come
Speaker 1: move it along. One's ever knock. So I was in
Speaker 1: Jackson Hawayoming last month visiting my brother and we were
Speaker 1: like climbing mountains and stuff out there, and I was
Speaker 1: basically just sleeping. It's funny. Actually I spent seven days
Speaker 1: in Jackson, Halwa. Now like five days in Jackson Hawayoming
Speaker 1: and my brother has a house there, and I didn't
Speaker 1: go in his house at one time. I just basically
Speaker 1: lived in my van out in his front yard. Um
Speaker 1: until the very end, I think I just like I
Speaker 1: had a poop or something, so I want to do anyways. Um,
Speaker 1: And one morning he woke up, I woke up to
Speaker 1: someone banging on the window, and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is the first time I've ever been woking up to
Speaker 1: someone like trying to bang on the window. And I
Speaker 1: was like someone probably telling me, like move my van,
Speaker 1: I parked illegally, or someone's like trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: scare me or something like that, and it turns out
Speaker 1: of just my brother trying to wake me up to
Speaker 1: so you can go hiking for the day. But I've
Speaker 1: never had an issue. And it's funny because I sleep
Speaker 1: with a gun right next to my bed. I have
Speaker 1: a safe for it, but I typically before I go
Speaker 1: to sleep, I take it out of the safe. I'd
Speaker 1: say I have the magazine and the actual gun itself
Speaker 1: separated from each other, if from like one at the
Speaker 1: head one at the toe, so it's like I don't
Speaker 1: make a mistake at night, you know, and hopefully, like
Speaker 1: in a sleepy stupor, if I needed to, I could
Speaker 1: find them both and put them together and cock it.
Speaker 1: And if I need to use it and use it,
Speaker 1: just picking it up probably intimidating enough, right if someone
Speaker 1: comes in and just uh, even if there's a magazine
Speaker 1: in it. It's a good point. I would never I
Speaker 1: hope I don't ever have to shoot anyone, obviously, but
Speaker 1: like it's good. It's a good peace of mind to
Speaker 1: have um, and it feels cool to hold. It's a gun.
Speaker 1: It's like a handgun, right, it's a it's a glock
Speaker 1: nine millimeter. It's very capable of murdering someone. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: were times I was hiking through Yellowstone actually, and Yellowstone
Speaker 1: has these watch out for a Grizzly Bears signs plastered everywhere,
Speaker 1: like grizzly bears. You know, obviously they can murder, they
Speaker 1: can kill someone. And there were multiple times where I
Speaker 1: didn't hike with my gun because I think it's probably illegal,
Speaker 1: but people carry bear makes with them all around. Um,
Speaker 1: And there were multiple times where I was like, I
Speaker 1: should probably have my gun on you right now, which
Speaker 1: is just a cool thing to think about, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a gun, I should probably have it on
Speaker 1: me right now. Was getting the gun any issue there?
Speaker 1: Blown away by how simple it was? Literally, I think
Speaker 1: it was after this podcast a couple of months ago.
Speaker 1: I just walked across the street. There's a gun emporium
Speaker 1: there and I just that took this test and they're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I walked in. I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to buy a gun. I live in a
Speaker 1: van and I need to protect myself, and they go, right,
Speaker 1: take this test once you pass the test, we'll go
Speaker 1: pick out which one you want. Was that the background
Speaker 1: checkers that the test? No, it's like a it's a
Speaker 1: multiple choice, thirty question tests and I go, I go, shure.
Speaker 1: But just so you guys know, like, I've never studied
Speaker 1: about guns. I know nothing about guns. I don't think
Speaker 1: I am ready to take a test, and they go,
Speaker 1: you got this, You're fine, You're gonna be fine. Take
Speaker 1: the test. Aced the test. No, I think I got
Speaker 1: one question wrong and it was like an ambiguous like
Speaker 1: there were multiple right answers, and they talked to me
Speaker 1: through it whatever, picked out the gun. Ten days later,
Speaker 1: I come back and I picked up my gun and
Speaker 1: I got a gun. Now I take it to the
Speaker 1: shooting range, practiced with it, took it apart, cleaned it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I got a gun. Um. Uh do you
Speaker 1: know that? It's uh? I hear there's legal sleep in
Speaker 1: Walmart parking lots if you take an advantage of that
Speaker 1: at all, that's actually that's a changed rule. I don't
Speaker 1: think it is. I don't think it's legal anymore, but
Speaker 1: they don't enforce the law, so it's technically not. Oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm mistaken. Maybe it's still legal, but it's not
Speaker 1: advertised by Walmart who used to advertise it because people
Speaker 1: would like set up camp there for multiple days, and
Speaker 1: then Walmart then becomes like like liable for things that
Speaker 1: might happen in their parking lots for people that sleep there.
Speaker 1: I've never personally slept in a one more parking lot. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Family has been great, everyone's been very
Speaker 1: critical of it, but I don't love you mentioned pooping.
Speaker 1: You do poop in the van. You have a bathroom
Speaker 1: on there. Now there's no toilet in there. I've been
Speaker 1: thinking toilet. Well, my thing is I want to try
Speaker 1: living in it for you know, weeks at a time
Speaker 1: and seeing if I need a toilet, I'll get a toilet,
Speaker 1: But I haven't Starbucks and like just public bathrooms, gas stations,
Speaker 1: McDonald's exactly that. Um. I have a bucket that I
Speaker 1: p in every once in a while. Like let's say
Speaker 1: you wake up it's like two am. What are doing?
Speaker 1: You don't want to go out into the into the street.
Speaker 1: If you understand that, I just pop open the lid
Speaker 1: on my PJR. P in it. Put the lid on
Speaker 1: the PJR is ful right now? Actually, need to just
Speaker 1: toss it and get a new one. Be careful and
Speaker 1: accepting lemonade at Dean's van, so you don't reuse the jar.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's basically just like a gallon jug of
Speaker 1: water that I've that I've repurposed as a PJ and
Speaker 1: if you wake up in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: and have to go the other one. I have not
Speaker 1: incurred that since I was like six years old, So
Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah, that's good for you. Um So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's been going well. There hasn't been any emergencies.
Speaker 1: Trying to think of maybe like the worst situation I've
Speaker 1: run into in the van, and honestly, I can't think
Speaker 1: of anything bad that's happened. Um. I hurt my arm
Speaker 1: really bad when I was in my Wyoming. I thought
Speaker 1: that I broke it, but I mean I just had
Speaker 1: like a big I've been staring at that scar for
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, I just I got like a big gash.
Speaker 1: I'm still honestly convinced that I broke my arm and
Speaker 1: I just heal like a superhuman like the bolverine does
Speaker 1: from Excellent. No, you guys are laughing, but I'm serious
Speaker 1: about that. I swear. You guys should have seen this.
Speaker 1: You could I did. I fell. We were glissading down
Speaker 1: some snow and I you're wedding down some snow glissading
Speaker 1: or it's just like you just like ski on your feet,
Speaker 1: you know, like you just slide on your feet. And
Speaker 1: it was like a steep snow field and you're up
Speaker 1: in the mountains and so like if you fall down
Speaker 1: that you slide down in some rocks. And I felt
Speaker 1: and I was like on my stomach and I slid
Speaker 1: in some rocks and then my brother was down there
Speaker 1: at the bottom waiting for me. He caught me, and
Speaker 1: I like, I go, oh, I hit my arm. I
Speaker 1: hit my arm and I showed my own arm and
Speaker 1: he goes, dude, I can see your bone in your
Speaker 1: arm right now. And we're at like thirteen, were literally
Speaker 1: at the peak of the mountainet So I had to
Speaker 1: take my shirt off, and I tied my shirt off
Speaker 1: and and put pressure on the wound. So I didn't
Speaker 1: like bleed out, and I was like looking at it
Speaker 1: for I was like, I should get stitches. I know
Speaker 1: I should get stitches, but I don't want to get stitches,
Speaker 1: Like who the hell wants to go to the especially.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll get stitches tomorrow if it's still hurts,
Speaker 1: and it's still hurt really bad. But then this point
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm already a day in I
Speaker 1: might as well. And I couldn't. I didn't have any
Speaker 1: range of motion in my arm for probably five or
Speaker 1: six days, Like I could only move my arm like
Speaker 1: thirty degrees, and there was just so much pain and
Speaker 1: sleeping in the van, you know, it's like kind of cramped,
Speaker 1: and so I was like sleeping on my arm sometimes
Speaker 1: and I would wake up and it'd be like throbbing
Speaker 1: and like the bandage would have fallen off in my arms,
Speaker 1: like sticking to my bed because the wound is healing
Speaker 1: to the sheets. So that one was that was a
Speaker 1: bad couple of days. But that was just because again
Speaker 1: I fell up in the mountains. That wasn't really anything
Speaker 1: that the van was responsible for. Yeah. Um, that whole
Speaker 1: trip I was with my dog. I took my dog
Speaker 1: with me, and I was in places like Nevada and
Speaker 1: Idaho and like these like pretty hot places you do
Speaker 1: not always with you. No. Um. She lives in Pasadena
Speaker 1: with the girl that I got her and I was
Speaker 1: like I just want to travel with her and give
Speaker 1: it a shot and see if that if if we
Speaker 1: can do this, And so there was like we were
Speaker 1: like a lot of hot places like Nevada, like I said,
Speaker 1: and she that was maybe challenging because she needed a
Speaker 1: c on at all times, like not overheat. Um. And
Speaker 1: like I'll say, like I needed to go into a
Speaker 1: store and buy something, and I was like shopping for
Speaker 1: like fort y five minutes. I'd be like kind of
Speaker 1: you know, trying to figure out what I could do
Speaker 1: with her. That's alee um. And especially in like Yellowstone
Speaker 1: National Parks, they don't you're not allowed to bring dogs
Speaker 1: into national parks because because of all the wild life.
Speaker 1: And so I would like go up climb the Grand
Speaker 1: Titon and I would have to like board her for
Speaker 1: a couple of days while I was hiking, or I
Speaker 1: would go to Yellowstone and I would like venture out
Speaker 1: for the day. I had to leave her at the car,
Speaker 1: which was like I never I never felt good doing it.
Speaker 1: So I think from this point forward, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to have the dog anymore. But just because I feel
Speaker 1: like she's not living her best life with me. So
Speaker 1: that was an issue a small issue. Um what else
Speaker 1: about the van life have I run into issues with?
Speaker 1: That's about it. Honestly, I just rebuilt the micarage system.
Speaker 1: I repurpose, not repurposed it. But I used to have
Speaker 1: these two big like bucket things that were on wheels
Speaker 1: that would slide out, and it was like very laborious
Speaker 1: and inefficient, and so I just got rid of those
Speaker 1: and I put this big sliding track system in there,
Speaker 1: so the trunk just basically slides out, and like that's
Speaker 1: where all my cargo area is. What are you keep
Speaker 1: in the cargo area? Um, like camping equipment, chains in
Speaker 1: case it snows, my golf clubs, like all my like
Speaker 1: extracurricular stuff that I would need, Um, warm clothes, extra blankets. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: I I understand why you're getting so much screen time
Speaker 1: on Bachelor Paradise because I find you fascinating. I found
Speaker 1: the van fascinating. It's all fascinating. Can we talk about
Speaker 1: my ability to heal incredibly fast? I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a real thing, but I suffer from delusions like that. No,
Speaker 1: this is not a delusion, I swear. So I did
Speaker 1: it on a I fell on a Sunday and my
Speaker 1: other brother was coming up that Friday for us to
Speaker 1: climb in the Grand Teton, which is like a pretty
Speaker 1: difficult it's not difficult, but it's long. It's it's like
Speaker 1: fourteen miles and there's like very serious moves that you
Speaker 1: have to do on the rock. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I can't even do a pull up right now. And
Speaker 1: by Wednesday, I was like, I still don't even know
Speaker 1: if I can do this. I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: physically capable of doing because I still can't bend my arm.
Speaker 1: Thursday came around and it was like getting better, and
Speaker 1: then Friday came and I was like it was probably
Speaker 1: like seventy healed. The gash was still there obviously, but
Speaker 1: I had like abilities to use my arm, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm not going to not do the
Speaker 1: Grand Teton, Like this is what my brother drove out
Speaker 1: from Denver for twelve hours whatever it took, and so
Speaker 1: I did it. And there's like a lot of points
Speaker 1: where it hurt really bad. But the more of the
Speaker 1: story is now it's just a scar tissue. And this
Speaker 1: was a month ago Mark and Easton. I had a
Speaker 1: hairline fracture in my arm. I know what. I've broken
Speaker 1: my arm before. This was worse than that, and now
Speaker 1: this is a badass scar that I have on my arm.
Speaker 1: No one would be more excited than Nathan in myself
Speaker 1: if you were actually a superhero. I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 1: a superhero. I just say I possessed superhuman capabilities. Are
Speaker 1: there are others other of than the ability to heal
Speaker 1: slightly faster than a normal Now, but this is not
Speaker 1: the first time that I've healed irregularly fast. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: a couple of tests we can do for really, how
Speaker 1: how easily do you get drunk? Pretty so I get
Speaker 1: get drunk easily, but between getting drunk and getting drunk
Speaker 1: to the point of being sick is impossible because those
Speaker 1: with healing factor your Wolverines are Captain America's people like
Speaker 1: that they can't get drunk because their cells regenerate too
Speaker 1: fast to becoming toxic. Yeah, I don't get drunk. I
Speaker 1: could drink all I want. I was getting as a kid.
Speaker 1: So I grew up with two older brothers, one six
Speaker 1: and one nine years older than me, and as a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, as a younger brother, I got picked
Speaker 1: on a lot, and I got like bully, like physically
Speaker 1: abused by my brothers, as any younger brother will do,
Speaker 1: and they would always say things like, oh, it's not
Speaker 1: leaving a bruise or that didn't cut you, and so
Speaker 1: because of that, I can hurt you even more next time,
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm like, well, just because it's not
Speaker 1: bruising like you expected to bruise doesn't mean it's not
Speaker 1: hurting like it's supposed to hurt. And so a ray
Speaker 1: dealer forced punch on me would not leave a bruise,
Speaker 1: but a regular punch on someone else would leave like
Speaker 1: a big, big, bad bruise. So there you go. Superhuman
Speaker 1: Maybe he is, Maybe I'm convinced. Anyways, what else? I
Speaker 1: used to think that I had an X ray vision
Speaker 1: as a kid, because if you hold something close enough
Speaker 1: to your face, you could see past it. But in reality,
Speaker 1: it's just basically piecing it together. And I always that
Speaker 1: closed when I'd be like, okay, I can see I
Speaker 1: can't see through it now, and then I opened both
Speaker 1: and be like X ray vision, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's a superhuman ability that I still have stuff
Speaker 1: that discuss the therapist. I think it's a super realities
Speaker 1: you think you have, um, what else? What other super
Speaker 1: that's about it? Well, you've got to live in a
Speaker 1: van is impressive. And you also taught me a new
Speaker 1: word today. Yeah, I don't know what does the textbook definition?
Speaker 1: Slide down a steep slope of snow or ice with
Speaker 1: the support of an ice axe. Ye. So the pictures
Speaker 1: are really funny on Google image is just people sitting
Speaker 1: down the Yeah. So the thing about the ice axes,
Speaker 1: it's imperative to have an ice axe when you're going
Speaker 1: through a snowfield at while your mountaineering, because if you
Speaker 1: start slipping, as I did, you would basically turn over
Speaker 1: to your stomach and self arrest and just dig the
Speaker 1: ice axe into the ice so you stop sliding. Otherwise
Speaker 1: you can't stop yourself because it's so steep and so icy,
Speaker 1: you can't stop. And we only had one ice axe
Speaker 1: because we were too lazy to go to the storm
Speaker 1: by another one, which obviously and my brother goes first.
Speaker 1: There was this there was this move where we were
Speaker 1: on the rocks and the only way we could get
Speaker 1: down was we had to jump from the rocks into
Speaker 1: the snow field which is at a decline, and then
Speaker 1: you had like glass glasade glasade down. And he did
Speaker 1: it without the ice axe because he's more cape He's
Speaker 1: more of a mountain man than I am. So he
Speaker 1: went and did it and made it look easy. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I this, I don't need the ice axe.
Speaker 1: If he can do it without the ice ax, I
Speaker 1: can do it without the ice ax. And so I jumped,
Speaker 1: slid my feet, dug in too deep and then I
Speaker 1: flipped around in my stomach. And once you're on your stomach,
Speaker 1: facebook where you're kind of screwed. And so that's how
Speaker 1: I hurt. The arem are both acceptable. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: That's to know. All right, Nicole is here, okay, Jared
Speaker 1: is here, and Vanessa is ready for us. Great, yep,
Speaker 1: that was great. I just feel like we felt a
Speaker 1: lot of time with a whole lot of nothing. We're
Speaker 1: going a lot of smoke here. That's actually the slogan
Speaker 1: for help I sucker day. We're making moutains out of
Speaker 1: mole hills. Okay, cool, Jared, good to see you, Vanessa,
Speaker 1: good to see you. We'll get you guys in in
Speaker 1: a second. We're gonna have Nicole as a guest as well.
Speaker 1: But before we do that. We're gonna take one quick break,
Speaker 1: all right. Welcome to help. I Sucker Dating, Dean Vanessa
Speaker 1: and myself, Jared. We have a special guest in studio
Speaker 1: joining us, the author of Becoming Superwoman, a simple twelfth
Speaker 1: step plan to go from burnout to balance, which is
Speaker 1: available in store September seventeen. Nicole Lapin, Thank you for
Speaker 1: being here. Guys. Nicole. Thanks, We will give you a
Speaker 1: standing ovation every time we see you. We promise you much.
Speaker 1: It means you just have to come back. We weren't
Speaker 1: standing that time, so now we actually sitting do it again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, ladies and gentlemen. Nicole, you got
Speaker 1: almost fell out of my chair. This is amazing. That's
Speaker 1: the best injury I've ever received in my whole entire life.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget my first standing ovation. You know. We try.
Speaker 1: We try here at help by second Dating. So Nicole,
Speaker 1: tell the entire audience who you are? Who am I?
Speaker 1: Who are you? Who are you? What are you about?
Speaker 1: What is happening? I'm looking into your soul right now?
Speaker 1: Who are you? What do you see? Why don't you tell?
Speaker 1: Powerful woman? That's what I say? Thank you. Welcome a
Speaker 1: Superwoman a super woman, but you talk about killing super
Speaker 1: thank you, I do. I think Superwoman, the character who
Speaker 1: tries to be all things to all people so she's
Speaker 1: nothing to herself, needs to die. We're kind of done
Speaker 1: with her. I think the idea of being a super woman,
Speaker 1: like with the Space, just being a super can I
Speaker 1: say perfect is what we should aspire to. Somebody who
Speaker 1: puts her oxygen mask on first before helping others. Because
Speaker 1: if you're all things to all people, you're nothing to yourself,
Speaker 1: and therein lies the real danger. If you're all things
Speaker 1: to all people, you're nothing to yourself. Can you elaborate
Speaker 1: on that a little bit. I think that we get
Speaker 1: into this rhythm as women that we have to do
Speaker 1: it all, and I think, you know, the big question
Speaker 1: is can we have it all? Right? I think we
Speaker 1: can have it all if we define what having it
Speaker 1: all means. We just can't do it all. We're human beings,
Speaker 1: not human doings, so we can't do all the things,
Speaker 1: especially not at once, and I think that pressure is
Speaker 1: leading women to burn out and break down in unprecedented levels.
Speaker 1: Um Nicole, like I said earlier before we started recording,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited that you are with us today because
Speaker 1: my birthday is coming up. This is like and I
Speaker 1: always say, like September for me is the new year,
Speaker 1: like the knew me, the new beginning, because that's my
Speaker 1: teacher brain speaking. And I feel like I'm at a
Speaker 1: point right now where I'm just kind of coasting. I'm
Speaker 1: doing everything, but I don't feel like I'm doing everything
Speaker 1: at a percent. And I totally relate to what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I totally relate to um the idea of a burnout
Speaker 1: because I have gone through one. I went my first burnout.
Speaker 1: I think I was fourteen years old. I wasn't competitive gymnastics,
Speaker 1: and I went through burnout. I think I was a
Speaker 1: little bit depressed at the time too, and I just
Speaker 1: I needed to stop everything and just focus on what
Speaker 1: makes me happy. Because I think we have this idea
Speaker 1: of quote unquote what success is right, and I think
Speaker 1: there's people who might look at either our lifestyles or
Speaker 1: people in the industry and say, like, well, how could
Speaker 1: they be complaining and how can they be going through
Speaker 1: burnout or how could they, you know, need a mental
Speaker 1: health day when they have the life that everyone wants.
Speaker 1: So what would you say to people in that position. Well,
Speaker 1: I think we have the equation wrong, right, Vanessa. And
Speaker 1: maybe it was during gymnastics, or maybe it's now, like
Speaker 1: I'll be happy when I get there. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: a gold medal back in the day, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: it's an oscar today. Whatever it is, then I'll be happy.
Speaker 1: Then I'll be balanced. And when you get there, there's
Speaker 1: always another there there, Like we keep walking with this
Speaker 1: goal post all the time, like we get there, we
Speaker 1: get the salary, we get the job, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like well they am it's magically a
Speaker 1: whole other goal post, and you never get your brains
Speaker 1: to the other side of balance or happiness, and studies
Speaker 1: show that it's actually the other way around, that happiness
Speaker 1: or balance will bring us more success and not vice versa.
Speaker 1: It sounds like what you're saying is if you're not
Speaker 1: enough with it, you'll never be enough without it. Wow,
Speaker 1: unpack that one. Thank you, you can do it. And
Speaker 1: if you're not enough with it, you'll never be enough
Speaker 1: without it. Let me let me Actually I said a wrong.
Speaker 1: If you're not enough without it, you'll never be enough
Speaker 1: with it. Okay, that makes more sense. Sorry, not enough
Speaker 1: with it? I like it. I do like that. It's
Speaker 1: kind of I won't make the analogy. I was gonna
Speaker 1: make a spider bit analogy. God, what's wrong with me? Anyway?
Speaker 1: I digress. So what you're pretty much saying it's it
Speaker 1: sounds like it's the journey, not the destination. Well, I
Speaker 1: think self care is the biggest asset or liability in
Speaker 1: your career. So I wrote rich bitch, or wrote boss
Speaker 1: bitch like I talk about money in business to women
Speaker 1: all day, every day, and I think what I missed
Speaker 1: is that nothing is going to affect your career. Networking
Speaker 1: your ass off, going to business school, then not having
Speaker 1: a good self care regimen. When that's off, it can
Speaker 1: bring you to break down and rock bottom. When it's
Speaker 1: on point, it can actually bring you more success than
Speaker 1: you ever imagine. When you say self care is saying
Speaker 1: mentally physically so many tips um. I actually had a mental, emotional,
Speaker 1: physical breakdown after a burnout from my second book launch,
Speaker 1: and what I realized is that it's a lifetime of
Speaker 1: smoldering embers that finally caught fire and incinerated everything in
Speaker 1: its path, not some spontaneous combustion. I think if you
Speaker 1: go through trauma if you have issues. I mean I
Speaker 1: have more issues than vote. We all have stuff that
Speaker 1: we're dealing with. It will eventually kick your ass. I
Speaker 1: mean I self prescribed for so many years and just
Speaker 1: hid from everything, and ultimately it will come back. And
Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like a lot of the advice
Speaker 1: that you have to offer is pertaining to people in
Speaker 1: the workplace, right or entrepreneurs if you're you know, in
Speaker 1: Boss Bitch, I talk about being a CEO of your family,
Speaker 1: being an entrepreneur, so being entrepreneurial within an existing company
Speaker 1: or starting your own business. And we go through a
Speaker 1: lot of different stages in our careers, especially now. It's
Speaker 1: not alloweder. I hate that analogy. It's more like a
Speaker 1: rope swing or like rock climbing or something like that.
Speaker 1: You're doing different things at different stages in your life,
Speaker 1: but you're the only constant no matter where you go.
Speaker 1: So I think one issue a lot of people have
Speaker 1: is boundaries. How do you set boundaries? I feel like,
Speaker 1: when I'm having like a really rough day and then
Speaker 1: I know a friend is calling me who loves to
Speaker 1: talk for hours, how do I set that boundary to
Speaker 1: be like, I'm just tired today, I let you know,
Speaker 1: let's catch up tomorrow. Instead, I'll like, I'm such a giver,
Speaker 1: so I'll give everything that I got and then I'll
Speaker 1: become more exhausted. So how what kind of advice would
Speaker 1: give to people who don't know how to send boundaries?
Speaker 1: That's when I don't pick up the phone. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to do that. Oh, you just forward, it's
Speaker 1: a message. It's very easy, and then you text them
Speaker 1: and then you say you're at the gym or you're
Speaker 1: getting food or something like that and you'll call them later,
Speaker 1: or you could just be really just say like, listen, sister,
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta put my oxygen mask on first
Speaker 1: right now. And Superwoman Shonda Rhymes, I quote in the
Speaker 1: book says no is a complete sentence. Love her right
Speaker 1: and saying no to other people. You have to reframe
Speaker 1: that because that's often saying yes to yourself. And if
Speaker 1: you think about it, like, as a giver, I get it,
Speaker 1: and a lot of women, including yours, truly are givers,
Speaker 1: Like I want to take care of other people. But
Speaker 1: if you say yes to something you put your half
Speaker 1: ass into and not your entire ass, then you're actually
Speaker 1: not being of service or of help to that other person.
Speaker 1: You're actually not doing justice to whatever that thing they
Speaker 1: asked you to do. Was that you said yes? So
Speaker 1: I say superwomen put their full ass into all the things.
Speaker 1: Are they saying no? Yeah? I also I want to say,
Speaker 1: I was just joking about not picking up the phone
Speaker 1: and guys, I hope everybody understood that. But I I
Speaker 1: what you were just saying. I need to practice what
Speaker 1: I preach as well. But a lot of times I
Speaker 1: think I don't give people. I don't value people enough
Speaker 1: for them to handle my opinion, if that makes any sense,
Speaker 1: Because it's like what you were saying, I think it's
Speaker 1: very difficult to say no, But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I think I should respect the other person to be
Speaker 1: able to handle the fact that I'm saying no. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? Yeah, and deal with what that feels
Speaker 1: like for you, Like it's it's very hard for me
Speaker 1: to say no. I'm sure everybody has this problem, right.
Speaker 1: You don't want to say no to someone because you
Speaker 1: feel so bad. But at the same time, I feel
Speaker 1: like I should respect that other person enough for them
Speaker 1: for me to know that they can handle me saying no.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah? Hand on in charge of
Speaker 1: that other person. You're only in charge of yourself. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, you feel bad and you
Speaker 1: feel guilty, and you want to help others as much
Speaker 1: as you possibly can, but you need to help yourself first. Totally.
Speaker 1: You can't help anybody if you're crushing and burning yourself.
Speaker 1: And if you had like a date with yourself. I
Speaker 1: used to get into this cycle all the time, Like
Speaker 1: I'd have a workout or whatever, and then I'd have
Speaker 1: a meeting opportunity that popped up and be like, I
Speaker 1: can totally do that meeting. And if I had a
Speaker 1: date instead with a friend for breakfast or lunch, I
Speaker 1: would think five hundred times before canceling. But I would
Speaker 1: cancel in myself so easily. But instead you have to
Speaker 1: think of that like that's a date with yourself. You
Speaker 1: have something that's already on your calendar and it's with you. Like,
Speaker 1: we're so easy to cancel on ourselves. Doorth so easy
Speaker 1: to put ourselves down? You know, the biggest enemy is
Speaker 1: between our ears. We talk so badly to ourselves all
Speaker 1: the time. You know, I'm in this whole kick now
Speaker 1: that when I when my girlfriends say like I'm so fat,
Speaker 1: or I like I look terrible or I'm the worst, Like,
Speaker 1: stop talking about my friend like that. And if somebody
Speaker 1: else talked about you like that, like I would punch
Speaker 1: them in the face or I'd gouge their eyes out,
Speaker 1: Like You're not allowed to talk about you like that.
Speaker 1: You are my friend. We can never be friends, then,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, don't put yourself I'm very self deprecating, and
Speaker 1: he's actually the best at it. Well, yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: champ of being self deprecating. This an issue we do
Speaker 1: with Dean all the time. He's incredibly charming and he
Speaker 1: has the ability to make everybody feel loved except himself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's some deep underlying psychological issues there. Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what specifically, Otherwise I would identify them
Speaker 1: and fix them, you know, like if I my car
Speaker 1: was broken, I knew what was wrong in my car,
Speaker 1: I would fix it. But it's broken. You're not broken.
Speaker 1: I'm not broken. I'm just if I were a car,
Speaker 1: I would be broken, but as a human, I'm fully functioning. Anyways,
Speaker 1: the point that I was trying to say to make
Speaker 1: was that we would not be friends because you would
Speaker 1: be very critical of my self deprecating humor all the time,
Speaker 1: or maybe I would be a great friend and then
Speaker 1: we could get you to a better spot. But I
Speaker 1: mean a good spot. I like my I like being
Speaker 1: self deprecating. I enjoy it. There's I'm in a place
Speaker 1: for self deprecation, but if it actually gets deeper to
Speaker 1: like you don't value yourself. I just did a social
Speaker 1: experiment when I had women come into a studio and
Speaker 1: I had them list on a white board the top
Speaker 1: five things they value, and none of them wrote themselves, Like,
Speaker 1: think about it, what would you guys write down? What
Speaker 1: would myself either? I don't think anyone of anybody in
Speaker 1: the studio I would right myself. Although I am underlying
Speaker 1: all of the self deprecation and all that stuff. I
Speaker 1: am one of the biggest egomaniacs I think that I
Speaker 1: possibly know. And so it's like a weird dichotomy between
Speaker 1: the two. But I think that people don't put themselves
Speaker 1: because they trying to look outwardly right, Like they're not
Speaker 1: trying to They're not like looking at themselves and saying me,
Speaker 1: I value myself the most, which they should, But I
Speaker 1: think that they're just kind of looking outward more right,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think we were never taught
Speaker 1: that in school, right to Like, I think now it's
Speaker 1: starting to change. Our educational system is starting to change
Speaker 1: with like even emotional regulation and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: growing up in elementary school, I wasn't I was never
Speaker 1: taught how to love myself totally. I mean, I allow
Speaker 1: you the most bullsh things in school, like how to
Speaker 1: dissect a frog or how to do the Pythagorean there,
Speaker 1: and like, why do we need to know that in
Speaker 1: our lives? I have no idea. Yeah, but I also
Speaker 1: think that helping others gives, like for me, a satisfaction,
Speaker 1: a joy, and so that is somewhat selfish. So when
Speaker 1: I value other people, I guess I kind of do
Speaker 1: value myself a little bit, just because I know that
Speaker 1: by doing good it makes me feel better. So is
Speaker 1: that a selfishacked Well, I don't think selfish is actually
Speaker 1: a criticism. That's a whole other topic. I think, especially
Speaker 1: for women, selfish is considered a criticism and selfless is
Speaker 1: considered a compliment. But part of the definition of selfish
Speaker 1: is actually having concern for your own desires and needs,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's a criticism. Being selfless is
Speaker 1: having no concern for your own desires and needs, and
Speaker 1: I think that should be the criticism above everything else.
Speaker 1: So I think you can't pour from an empty cup
Speaker 1: like it's all good to be of service to other
Speaker 1: people and if that makes you feel good, like modeled of,
Speaker 1: but I think it makes everybody feel good, right yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you are first taken care of, like you
Speaker 1: can't pour for an empty cup, I think that when
Speaker 1: you're depleted, you can't be of service to other people.
Speaker 1: I also think people don't value themselves as much as
Speaker 1: they value other people, because as human beings, we you know,
Speaker 1: as an individual, I know every thought that goes through
Speaker 1: my head, and I know every act that I do,
Speaker 1: and there are times where I am selfish, and there
Speaker 1: are times when I do things just for myself. And
Speaker 1: I think that knowing that as an individual and human being,
Speaker 1: immediately I hate myself for that. Does that make sense
Speaker 1: even though you shouldn't. And I think everybody goes through
Speaker 1: this because everybody is selfish at a point, right, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody does things for themselves, and so knowing that I
Speaker 1: do that already, I think it already gives me that
Speaker 1: thought of like, well people are it already makes me
Speaker 1: hate myself if that makes sense, you feel guilty, of course,
Speaker 1: how can you not, you know, um, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I can relate to that. I think growing up I
Speaker 1: was someone who is I am still such a giver.
Speaker 1: But I think once I decided to take charge in
Speaker 1: what my happiness looks like, and I still struggle with
Speaker 1: that every day. I still struggle with, like, really making
Speaker 1: time for myself. I haven't before I went on the show.
Speaker 1: It's been three years that I've had a solid workout,
Speaker 1: and for me, that was linked so heavily to my
Speaker 1: mental health. I felt so good, I would eat better,
Speaker 1: I would be happier, And now I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to wake up in the morning.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to eat better because I that
Speaker 1: part of my life, that puzzle piece is missing, and
Speaker 1: I just haven't found time for it. And that is
Speaker 1: such a big excuse. I think it's so easy to
Speaker 1: make excuses for yourself in life, and it takes a
Speaker 1: much stronger person to be determined to say I'm going
Speaker 1: to do this and I'm gonna stick by it for myself.
Speaker 1: Like you said, yeah, I mean time is your most
Speaker 1: valuable asset. And I think people say you can't find
Speaker 1: time like I found balance. Balance is a noun and
Speaker 1: a verb. It's like not hiding under the couch. It's
Speaker 1: not a game of hide and seek. It's not like
Speaker 1: you find any piece out and you're done. It's I
Speaker 1: use it as a verb because it's something you constantly
Speaker 1: have to work on every day. So like prioritizing your
Speaker 1: workout or your gratitude journal, or random acts of kindness
Speaker 1: or community, like all of these things have been proven
Speaker 1: scientifically to contribute to your well being and happiness. Like
Speaker 1: I always go back to the data and the facts,
Speaker 1: not the woo woo stuff. And like I'm not saying
Speaker 1: don't be a giver and don't develop community, because that's
Speaker 1: actually one of the biggest telltale signs of successful people
Speaker 1: that they have developed relationships and cultivated them. But not
Speaker 1: at the expensive yourself. I mean think about like dating
Speaker 1: to like hello, I totally secondating. This is a part
Speaker 1: of my life that I have not figured out, but
Speaker 1: I know that like if I don't have my own
Speaker 1: going on, like I'm not going to be a partner.
Speaker 1: You guys, I'm assuming don't want somebody who's like all
Speaker 1: about the other person. I mean, for so many years
Speaker 1: I would say, well, when I get married or when
Speaker 1: I find somebody, then I'll go on this trip. Then
Speaker 1: I'll have that adventure. And then I was waiting and
Speaker 1: waiting and waiting, and then I was tired of waiting
Speaker 1: and I just went on the adventures by myself. I
Speaker 1: went to a movie by myself. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is the rattest thing. Ever, how did I not do that?
Speaker 1: The first movie I saw by myself was The Glass
Speaker 1: Castle because nobody wanted to see it with me, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I really loved this memoir and I
Speaker 1: want to go see it. So I just went by
Speaker 1: my damn's. First movie I ever saw by myself was
Speaker 1: Superman Returns. Nobody wanted to see it, so I went
Speaker 1: opening day at eleven am first, showing the slightest Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: moving forward, it's very run for this conversation and be
Speaker 1: a Superman too. But you should kill Superman, right or
Speaker 1: like for you? I think it's this fictitious idea that
Speaker 1: we especially as women, and I had to choose women.
Speaker 1: But all the advice is for everybody, I think, And
Speaker 1: when you're writing books, you have to just pick your audience.
Speaker 1: You can't be all things to all people. Um, but
Speaker 1: the advice is for men or for women. And it's
Speaker 1: this ideal that we're you know, trying to live up
Speaker 1: to something that is unattainable. Like we leaned so far
Speaker 1: into everything, Vanessa, that I think women in particular are
Speaker 1: just falling over. Like we're comparing ourselves to the best
Speaker 1: versions of each aspect of our lives. So like in
Speaker 1: our fitness regime, we compare ourselves to like the fitness
Speaker 1: blogger that has the you know, works out five hundred
Speaker 1: hours you know a week. I don't think that's possible,
Speaker 1: but whatever. Or we compare our you know, being a
Speaker 1: mom to some home you know, some woman who makes
Speaker 1: bread and homeschools her kids. And we compare our business
Speaker 1: life to like some CEO of a multibillion dollar company,
Speaker 1: and they don't have the same responsibilities that we do.
Speaker 1: But we try to be the best at each of
Speaker 1: those things. And that's rushing us right, And now it's
Speaker 1: worse than ever because we can tap into everyone's life
Speaker 1: and feel like we're part of it, and then really
Speaker 1: feel like we can compare ourselves through social media, Instagram,
Speaker 1: the pictures that it's it's so hard, um, And I
Speaker 1: relate to that too. And I think people think, you know,
Speaker 1: they look at someone's lifestyle. I remember when I was single,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'll look at a married couple and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, they have the perfect relationship. Where I
Speaker 1: would look at something that that I didn't have, And
Speaker 1: then at one point I'm like, what if they're looking
Speaker 1: at my single lifestyle and thinking like I wish I
Speaker 1: were single or I wish I had that too. So
Speaker 1: that's when I started really appreciating the life that I
Speaker 1: that I have, um, and taking advantage of it. One
Speaker 1: question that I do have, though, which is hard for
Speaker 1: me to do, is to I feel like I'm really
Speaker 1: good at sensing people's energies, but it's sometimes hard for
Speaker 1: me to like avoid having toxic people in my life. UM,
Speaker 1: what kind of advice can you give to someone like
Speaker 1: me who's like that person is toxic? Make sure that
Speaker 1: you do set that boundary so that they don't, you know,
Speaker 1: put on that negative energy and onto your life. It's true,
Speaker 1: I actually had to go through my whole friend list,
Speaker 1: and friend breakups are harder than breakup breakups in a
Speaker 1: lot of cases, but I really had to say just
Speaker 1: because we have history together, like and you're draining my energy,
Speaker 1: but you're not actually telling your friends sorry, we're not
Speaker 1: hanging out anymore, right, or you just kind of like
Speaker 1: ghosting them as a friend. Yeah, I have a whole
Speaker 1: plan in the book actually of sometimes like you actually
Speaker 1: have to say something, and sometimes you trail off and
Speaker 1: you're protecting yourself because I'm going through this phase right
Speaker 1: now where I mean, it's not really the same thing,
Speaker 1: but in a sense it is. I'm on following a
Speaker 1: lot of people on Instagram that aren't like motivating me
Speaker 1: to do the things that I want to be doing.
Speaker 1: If i haven't talked to you a long time, I've
Speaker 1: still following. I'm checking my phone right now. They're very
Speaker 1: I'm on following many many people because they're not adding
Speaker 1: any value to my life, and we don't we don't
Speaker 1: talk regularly, so there's no point in me continuing to
Speaker 1: keep up with their life, right, So do you think
Speaker 1: it's important for me to reach out to them and
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I'm on following you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think we need to have that conversation. So that's what
Speaker 1: you're saying, sometimes it's necessary to have that. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: they confront you and they're like, yo, So I've been
Speaker 1: confronted by multi people they say, hey, why do you
Speaker 1: wanna follow me on Instagram? And I always say, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I guess it must have been a glitch
Speaker 1: in the app or something. I'll refollow you because I'm
Speaker 1: so unconfrontational that I don't want to be like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just wasn't interested in the stuff that
Speaker 1: you were posting anymore, or I don't know what what
Speaker 1: is your advice on that? I mean, I would just say, like,
Speaker 1: I'm using my Instagram primarily for work right now, and
Speaker 1: I hope you're well or whatever. You know. I don't
Speaker 1: think you need to lie necessarily about it. And most
Speaker 1: of the stuff that you probably do on social media
Speaker 1: is for work. It is, but it's also it's like
Speaker 1: I still follow friends. I always just say, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: only following travel and dog accounts right now, so I'm
Speaker 1: not following any human accounts. I think we feel like
Speaker 1: we have a responsibility to certain people, you know, for
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons, and studies have shown that you
Speaker 1: need two out of three things to maintain relationships. So
Speaker 1: shared history, so like if you grew up together or
Speaker 1: if you went through something traumatic together. Um, common interest risks,
Speaker 1: so if you like the same things. And also an
Speaker 1: equality in the relationship, so somebody is not a mooch.
Speaker 1: If you only have one of those things, that's not
Speaker 1: for sustainable relationships. You actually have to ask yourself if
Speaker 1: you have more than one of those things, and if
Speaker 1: you don't, then cut people to the curb. I mean,
Speaker 1: time is your most valuable asset. You can always get
Speaker 1: more money, you cannot get more time. Yeah, that's so
Speaker 1: hard though. I mean I guess when when it comes
Speaker 1: to friends and not that it might be easier. But
Speaker 1: if you're working at nine to five job and you're
Speaker 1: with people who are toxic, how do you get rid
Speaker 1: of them? Or how do you distance yourself from people
Speaker 1: who you're not compatible with at work? Yeah? I mean, well,
Speaker 1: it's important to have like work homies to that elevate you.
Speaker 1: And if somebody is a drag on your time. I
Speaker 1: mean it's case by case dependent. But I went through
Speaker 1: UM so when I had this total breakdown, I needed
Speaker 1: to rethink basically everything and everything we've been told as cliche.
Speaker 1: I had to go back and say, like, is this
Speaker 1: actually applicable to me? So I listed it by city,
Speaker 1: and I came up with, you know, my notebook, and
Speaker 1: I literally wrote down, like, here are the people who
Speaker 1: are good influences in my life in l A and
Speaker 1: New York. And I would like stick to the list
Speaker 1: because in a time of you know, clarity, I wrote
Speaker 1: down that list of people who elevate me are contributing
Speaker 1: to you know, my betterment of my career or my
Speaker 1: you know, share my morals or values or whatever. And
Speaker 1: then like in a time of weakness where they're you know,
Speaker 1: tugging at me, I go back and I'm like, we
Speaker 1: are they on the list? When I was like in
Speaker 1: this really good space, and then I crossed back that well, Nicola,
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Speaker 1: just like walked over to the jewelry store and I
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Speaker 1: it out. Nicole, Thank you so much for coming inause. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys to Hey, welcome back to help I suck
Speaker 1: at dating. And we have two very special guests that
Speaker 1: are on the phone right now. You know him from
Speaker 1: his hit show Catfish and their new show We Need
Speaker 1: to Talk, which is from Attention. It is now on
Speaker 1: Facebook Watch season four. We have Nive Shulman and Laura Prolongedo.
Speaker 1: You've all You've also got Bow and Cleo Shulman here
Speaker 1: who might chime in from time to time? Now and clear?
Speaker 1: Are your two kids? Correct? Congratulations? And who's the youngest.
Speaker 1: You just had a baby this past year. Correct, that's right.
Speaker 1: We have eight months old Bow and almost three year
Speaker 1: old daughter Cleo. Wow, congratulations guys, that's incredible. Um. Nive,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I know you guys are promoting We
Speaker 1: Need to Talk right now, which, like I said, is
Speaker 1: on Facebook Watch. What kind of generated the show from
Speaker 1: the start? Why did you want to do this? So? Uh?
Speaker 1: I had been working with Attention for years. The guys
Speaker 1: who started our friends of Mine, and I was just
Speaker 1: really excited that they were making videos that were obviously
Speaker 1: social especially driven, and you know, with the intention of
Speaker 1: helping raise awareness about issues that needed to be talked about.
Speaker 1: And my wife and I before we were married, when
Speaker 1: she first got pregnant. Um, besides to make a video
Speaker 1: about how storily companies in America needs to improve their
Speaker 1: parental leave policies. And video did so well that we
Speaker 1: started making more videos together as a couple, and people
Speaker 1: seem to really respond to us together, and we just
Speaker 1: really enjoyed working with each other. So we kind of
Speaker 1: developed this idea of how do we help people in
Speaker 1: relationships kind of figure their way through being single, being
Speaker 1: in a relationship, breaking up, and all this sort of
Speaker 1: stuff in between. Well, that's incredible. And now you guys,
Speaker 1: it's about it's like a six minute you a podcast
Speaker 1: that you can watch on Facebook right where you guys
Speaker 1: answer questions, you give advice, you talk about relationships, you
Speaker 1: talk about your own relationship. That's right, Yeah, exactly. People
Speaker 1: call in and ask us this about anything, and we
Speaker 1: usually don't have one answer, but several answers, different approaches
Speaker 1: to things. Uh. It's funny because me and I often
Speaker 1: disagree on the best route for solving common relationship problems,
Speaker 1: like I say, I say it's okay to go. Really definitely,
Speaker 1: it's the modern world, the modern world, so I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of staying friends with with your exes, where
Speaker 1: Laura is not not as good as that. Now that
Speaker 1: did might be because her exes don't want to be
Speaker 1: friends with her? Are your friends with? I am with
Speaker 1: the acception of ones. I've remained very friendly with my
Speaker 1: long term exs, you know, not not the short term ones,
Speaker 1: but the meaningful relationships. So we've talked about that on
Speaker 1: the podcast before, and some have said that there's a
Speaker 1: bit of like narcissism that goes because I'm the same
Speaker 1: as you need. I believe it's important to stay friendly
Speaker 1: with your exes. But some people believe that you're wanting
Speaker 1: to do that or your willingness to do that is
Speaker 1: because like you need that own vindication in yourself, do you,
Speaker 1: But you don't, you're holding them back alone. Now, I
Speaker 1: just agree. I think that my active holds the key
Speaker 1: too many of my own deep dark secrets. So I
Speaker 1: want them on my side, you know, I want them
Speaker 1: to like me. Well they're not. They're not inspired to,
Speaker 1: you know, potentially reveal things about me that you know
Speaker 1: they might know. Keep your friends clothes, keep your enemies.
Speaker 1: But Laura, would you be friends with needs exs too
Speaker 1: or is it? How does that work? It's a little weird.
Speaker 1: I don't hang out with them. I'm just like once
Speaker 1: in a while, I, you know, will communicate with an
Speaker 1: email or hey, how you doing or congrats on your
Speaker 1: new kid or whatever, stuff like that, reply to a
Speaker 1: story or something, and they know that you're always thinking
Speaker 1: about that. The real question is, Laura, would you be
Speaker 1: friends with me if we broke up? Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: have to. I think that kids, the kids out of
Speaker 1: wrinkle and the yes, the kids. The business adds all
Speaker 1: types of wrinkles. And I'm surprised to hear that Laura
Speaker 1: says that ghosting is an okay thing to do in
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen because obviously the resounding obviously everyone's on
Speaker 1: their high horse and they say, no, you should never ghost.
Speaker 1: You should provide closure for both parties. But you see,
Speaker 1: you said you think it's a good thing. I think
Speaker 1: there's way too much responsibility on people now with social
Speaker 1: media to like maintain all these relationships to make sure
Speaker 1: everyone feels okay, and it's just a lot of energy
Speaker 1: that you're using on things that shouldn't matter anymore. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that really that just depends on how many
Speaker 1: relationships you're in, Right, that's true. But I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think after a date or two casuals, ghost is okay.
Speaker 1: I don't think if you've been a for a few months,
Speaker 1: you know, that would be kind of messed up. And
Speaker 1: I don't think you owe someone anything After a couple
Speaker 1: of days, it's like, all right, I didn't work out,
Speaker 1: move on. I think some people deserve to be ghosted.
Speaker 1: There are some weird people out there that you can
Speaker 1: go on a date with the just act weird and
Speaker 1: they just deserved to never hear from you, and you
Speaker 1: want to give them as little information about you as possible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. So so what else are you guys working on.
Speaker 1: You've got Catfish obviously going on seven seasons. That is incredible.
Speaker 1: When you started Catfish, could you ever imagine it would
Speaker 1: have taken off and become such a pop culture phenomenon
Speaker 1: as it is now? Definitely not um. But almost more
Speaker 1: astounding to me is this is by far the longest
Speaker 1: I've ever held a job. So I'm just amazed that I,
Speaker 1: you know, almost eight years later, I'm still working on
Speaker 1: the same things. I impressed myself even sometimes to think
Speaker 1: that I I've managed to keep this thing going. And
Speaker 1: let's say the same thing about Dean with this podcast.
Speaker 1: But it was I knew you, guys, I wanted to
Speaker 1: beat you. That's one of the most refreshing things I
Speaker 1: think I've heard all that. Well, so, but you were
Speaker 1: originally correct if I'm wrong. So there was a documentary
Speaker 1: on catfishing that you were the central point focus of, right,
Speaker 1: and then we spun that off, and then you became
Speaker 1: the to the show Catfish. That's right. So essentially I
Speaker 1: got catfish before. That's what it was called. Um My
Speaker 1: brother made a documentary about it, which we didn't know
Speaker 1: it was going to turn into a thing, but it did,
Speaker 1: and we called it catfish, not even expecting that that
Speaker 1: would then get turned into the word to describe the
Speaker 1: sort of act of fake profile creation. Um, but it did.
Speaker 1: And then people just started reaching out to me with
Speaker 1: all their weird, wild, creative stories and I just didn't
Speaker 1: know which sort of responded by saying, all right, well
Speaker 1: people need help with their situations. Maybe maybe we can
Speaker 1: make a show. So you're saying that your brother is
Speaker 1: the one that coined the term catfish, Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: technically we all deal you know all of us who
Speaker 1: were part of the film. Yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious
Speaker 1: the origins why catfish. So in the documentary when we
Speaker 1: were essentially without giving away because you obviously haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: you should not, not because it has anything do with me,
Speaker 1: just because I think it's a really beautiful film. But
Speaker 1: I thought I was talking to this young woman who
Speaker 1: I was calling in love with and her whole family.
Speaker 1: And when I got finally to Michigan to meet them
Speaker 1: and discovered the truth, Um, we ended up talking to
Speaker 1: a few other people involved, including the husband of the
Speaker 1: woman who was involved, and she she told us the
Speaker 1: story about fisherman using catfish in that in these giant
Speaker 1: tanks under their ships while they were extending weeks uh
Speaker 1: at the to tape the cod fish that they were
Speaker 1: catching around to keep them moving and antile and sort
Speaker 1: of flesh tasty and well whatever, And so in life,
Speaker 1: he says, there are people like that who are catfish
Speaker 1: who kind of keep us all getting and keep us
Speaker 1: on our toes and sort of nipping at our fins,
Speaker 1: if you will. And so it was sort of meant
Speaker 1: to be a beautiful metaphor for those who you might
Speaker 1: call rule breakers or people who you know, draw outside
Speaker 1: the lines or sink outside the box. Um, little did
Speaker 1: you know that was going to be the word shouted
Speaker 1: at you as you walk down the street. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's kind of turned. It's it's like the name
Speaker 1: of modern dating, you know, because now there's so many
Speaker 1: different names, Like we talked about ghosting, breadcrumbing, all these
Speaker 1: different meanings, These different words now have taken on so
Speaker 1: many different definitions in the modern dating world, and it
Speaker 1: really all originated with catfish. So you, my friend, have
Speaker 1: made your staple on the history of the world. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah, David as a dictionary. Um, so, Laura,
Speaker 1: let me ask you, have you ever been catfished? Or
Speaker 1: have you ever been ghosted? Because I'm curious now with
Speaker 1: your ghosting take if you've ever been ghosted. I've never
Speaker 1: been ghosted, but I've ghosted a plenty. Have I ever
Speaker 1: been cat fished? You know, I think we were all
Speaker 1: catfishing and catfished on like early Internet, you know, cat
Speaker 1: rooms on AM. You would go on and you'd say
Speaker 1: a s O and you'd lie and be like, I'm
Speaker 1: sixteen when you were eleven. Yeah, my entire childish that's
Speaker 1: a very funny way of looking at it, because you're
Speaker 1: spot on. I've definitely pretended to be someone else in
Speaker 1: chat rooms many times as a kid, just board and
Speaker 1: having fun, and as a kid you do so many fun.
Speaker 1: Dumb we judge these people, but like, if everyone knows
Speaker 1: the most fun you can have? Have you ever been
Speaker 1: on I used to go on what's the now? My
Speaker 1: mind is blanking? It was the misconnections on craigslist? Thank
Speaker 1: you good lord. You ever go on those? I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what like if you only go to
Speaker 1: look if you feel as though you have one? So
Speaker 1: went on and you have. Somebody introduced me to this
Speaker 1: and was like, have you ever heard of mixed connections
Speaker 1: on craig List? And they would just read through them
Speaker 1: in These poor people who just thought they saw the
Speaker 1: love of their life passed by them at a grocery
Speaker 1: store would go on this misconnections on craig list and say, uh,
Speaker 1: if the woman who is at stopping shop one pm
Speaker 1: yesterday was wearing a blue shirt saw me, please respond
Speaker 1: to this because I think that we had a strong connection.
Speaker 1: Like oh, it's just so heartbreaking but also addicting to
Speaker 1: read I mean, if I'm being honest, I probably have
Speaker 1: like a dopy misconnections every day. You might have one
Speaker 1: right now. No, I don't mean I don't need people
Speaker 1: wanting to I you know, I just every time I
Speaker 1: went down the street, I think, oh that person is cute.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. If that's not a good enough tease
Speaker 1: for everybody to tune in, we need to talk on Facebook.
Speaker 1: I don't know what is it. So do you guys
Speaker 1: have one common question that people always ask you about
Speaker 1: relationships that you see reoccurring? I think, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the biggest question people are asking should I end it?
Speaker 1: But that mean that should be also just a plethora
Speaker 1: of issues that come up. But people just really are
Speaker 1: unsture of themselves when it comes to continuing a relationship
Speaker 1: or for ending it. Um. And so do you think
Speaker 1: that your background with Catfish do you think that's hurt
Speaker 1: or helped your relationships? I'm curious about that. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: funny I think being in a position to discuss just
Speaker 1: you know, because we obviously the show is sort of
Speaker 1: based on online relationships that have some element of mystery
Speaker 1: to them. Um, but the actual dating part is minimal.
Speaker 1: When you kind of get to the core of what
Speaker 1: the show is, which is just like people talking about
Speaker 1: how they feel. And so I think, on one hand,
Speaker 1: it's definitely improved my listening skills because I do my
Speaker 1: best to hear with these people have to say, and
Speaker 1: in the moment the very little time, understand, interpret and
Speaker 1: offer some sort of advice or something that might be helpful.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean, I think I think it's
Speaker 1: it's made me a just a better person, which I
Speaker 1: think in turn makes me a better person in relationship,
Speaker 1: if nothing more, if nothing else more honest maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing too. You go through
Speaker 1: all this kind of like this weird stuff, especially being
Speaker 1: Catfish and then it becoming so public and then hosting
Speaker 1: the show. I'm sure, especially as a host, what you
Speaker 1: see most is people being dishonest, which only in turn
Speaker 1: makes you want to be more honest in your own
Speaker 1: personal health. Yes, No, I mean, but if I'm being
Speaker 1: honest now, I think being famous makes me a better
Speaker 1: person because nowadays, if you're famous, like you can't do
Speaker 1: anything wrong without someone known seeing or taking a picture
Speaker 1: or a video, Like you can't put it online because
Speaker 1: someone's gonna screenshot like, so now I'm on the straight
Speaker 1: and narrow because I have to be right and I
Speaker 1: want to be There's a quote that I like that
Speaker 1: I heard recently. It says, act so you can tell
Speaker 1: the truth about how you act, and if you're famous,
Speaker 1: people obviously always know how you act, and so it
Speaker 1: just kind of or on the flip side of that,
Speaker 1: I mean, grant, I don't know what it's like to
Speaker 1: be famous or anything like that, but you can just
Speaker 1: act like a head and get away with it whatever
Speaker 1: you want. You know, you either have to go full
Speaker 1: head like totally lean into it and just be that,
Speaker 1: or have to be a saint and not many of
Speaker 1: you make one mistake, you know. I hope that your
Speaker 1: fans will will stay, you know, get your back. I
Speaker 1: took their out of just moving into a van and
Speaker 1: hoping for the best, and it's it's actually worked out
Speaker 1: pretty well for me so far. To be honest, stop
Speaker 1: stealing bread. Niven and and Laura to tell us more
Speaker 1: about where we can find you guys to watch the
Speaker 1: show because it's airing right now right season it's yeah,
Speaker 1: season four on four is on Facebook Live right so right,
Speaker 1: so so yeah, you can find the page for the
Speaker 1: show we need to talk by just searching for we
Speaker 1: need to talk on Facebook. We're also on americ you
Speaker 1: want to find our pages and uh yeah, we're posting
Speaker 1: new episode every Friday, I think, and the first one
Speaker 1: just went up. And where else can we find you guys?
Speaker 1: Obviously Instagram, Twitter, all that kind of stuff. I would so, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course Snapchat, although Laura's Laura snaps out a lot
Speaker 1: more than I do. Snap that's where to go. Tell me,
Speaker 1: you guys don't have TikTok. Do you have TikTok? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't really you tech talk, but we should. We
Speaker 1: should probably get on. I keep hearing everyone's always like
Speaker 1: TikTok's the future, TikTok's the younger Demo. Every time I
Speaker 1: hear that, I just think to myself, there is not
Speaker 1: a chance in snowflake's chance in hell I ever get
Speaker 1: on TikTok. No I try. I created the user name
Speaker 1: just so I would have it, but I can't, honestly cannot.
Speaker 1: I feel like a grandparent when I go on there
Speaker 1: because I have no idea how to use it exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm twenty eight years old, and I feel the same
Speaker 1: exact way I feel like I don't belong anyway. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys so much for calling it and joining us.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. We will be sure to check in
Speaker 1: on the We Need to Talk show on Attention on
Speaker 1: Facebook watch um, and we're looking forward to seeing more
Speaker 1: from you guys. Like you said, you guys, you guys
Speaker 1: got something special, So we're looking forward to more and
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you soon. Neve, Laura, thank you. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys. I guess well, there you go. Dude needs
Speaker 1: awesome and I I love their energy. I I I
Speaker 1: will admit I have not seen We Need to Talk.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go binge watch all four seasons right
Speaker 1: now because they're captivating to listen to. Even right off
Speaker 1: the bat, She's like, I think you should ghost people,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I think you should be friends with
Speaker 1: your X and I'm like, I love them both. They're
Speaker 1: just so raw and honest. I never saw I've never
Speaker 1: seen We Need to Talk. I've never seen the documentary
Speaker 1: that Neive was on, but I've seen quite a few
Speaker 1: episodes of Catfish and I like Neive and it's funny
Speaker 1: to be able to talk to him now. I wish
Speaker 1: I uh wif you had more time, or maybe we
Speaker 1: had him to come into the studio. Just I feel
Speaker 1: like that would be a lot of fun I wish
Speaker 1: were both in studio if you want. It would be funny.
Speaker 1: Actually is if his or him or his pr people
Speaker 1: would set up like in person interviews and then showing
Speaker 1: up to the interview would be someone completely different. He
Speaker 1: would catfish interviews. That's such. Why are you not his publicism?
Speaker 1: This needs to happen now on a big stage And
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this and honestly, why wouldn't you
Speaker 1: be do that and give me like on Live with
Speaker 1: Kelly and Ryan. Yeah, you know, it's like a big
Speaker 1: stage like that, and they hype up his entrance and
Speaker 1: out walks Dean from Paradise. He's like, no, I'm neive, guys,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? That would be very funny.
Speaker 1: That would be fantastic. Anyways, that'll do it for this
Speaker 1: week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating? Big thank
Speaker 1: you to everyone involved, Vanessa, Jared Nive, Laura Nicole. Wow,
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