1 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to the Hemmer Territory Podcast. This 2 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: episode three two zero. I'm your host, Brad Roland, coming 3 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: to you on a Saturday, Yes, a Saturday evening here 4 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: in mid January, and I'm joined Ho's autronym by Scott Coleman. Scott, 5 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna record tomorrow and instead Alex made a move 6 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: on a Saturday. 7 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: How are you hello, Brad? I am always doing well 8 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: because we have a transaction to talk about. It had 9 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: been a few weeks since anything, was it. The Hassan 10 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: Kim signing was the most recent one that we got. 11 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: But Tyler Kinley's back, and maybe there was a little 12 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: bit of an unconventional path to having him on the 13 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: team for next season and maybe in twenty twenty seven, 14 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: but a move I think a lot of people thought 15 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: was possible, and I'm glad to have Tyler Kinley back 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: in the mix. 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: I am too, and yeah, I back you up. It 18 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: would think it was December fifteenth when Kim signed, so 19 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: nearly a month ago. At this point, as we're recording this, 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: we should say again it's Saturday night, so if something 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: happens on Sunday, we'll probably do a podcast soon. But 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: just know this is an early recording than usual. Also, 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: we should say our colleagues Shawn and Stephen recorded a 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: show on Friday night about the very interesting complex lots 25 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: of questions about the Braves TV broadcast situation, and I 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: listened to that enjoyed it. People have given us a 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: lot good feedback on that. But I know it was 28 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: Friday night, so if you missed that episode, listen to 29 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: that one as well. It's in the feed no matter 30 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: where you have your podcast, so Apple, Spotify, YouTube, et cetera. 31 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: But we will focus heavily today on the Braves signing 32 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: Tyler Kinley. It's a one year deal with a club 33 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: option for twenty twenty seven. I like to call that 34 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: the Alex and Thoppolos special to get the number down 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: in the first year, three million dollars contract in twenty 36 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: twenty six locked in. That's pretty cheap actually for todder Kinley. 37 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: And then it's a five and a half million dollar 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: club option for twenty seven with a one point twenty 39 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: five million dollar buyout. That is similar to what the 40 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: buy out was this last season when the Braves chose 41 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: to decline that option. So you allude to it, I 42 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: think everyone's comment. This is not groundbreaking analysis, but it 43 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: feels like this is going to just happen unless todmer 44 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: Kinley got a deal that I did not foresee. I 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: think the Braves also probably thought, I won't say they knew, 46 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: but they probably thought that they could bring him back 47 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: at a lower number, or least a relatively similar number 48 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: when they when they declined that option. I believe we 49 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: said that on the show when they did that at 50 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: the time, and in the end they get him for 51 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: a Yes, they had to pay the buy out. The 52 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: buy out, by the way, still gets paid that they 53 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: cut him on a couple of I guess weeks ago, 54 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 1: months ago now, But even with the buyout included, they're 55 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: still paying him less in twenty six than that option was, 56 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: which I believe is probably a win on the whole 57 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:01,839 Speaker 1: for the Braves. 58 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: It definitely is. And quick math three million dollars this year, 59 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: the Braves already paid him a seven hundred and fifty 60 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: thousand dollars buyout, and next year, if the Braves want 61 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: to move on, there is a one point twenty five 62 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: million dollar buyout, So that's five million dollars. What the 63 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: Braves got is five hundred thousand dollars less in guarantees 64 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: by declining Kinley's option, and they have a club option 65 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: now for next year for five and a half million dollars, 66 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: which is a reasonable amount, and I think it's it 67 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: made sense, especially because we know how good Tyler Kinley was. 68 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: After the unexpected trade at the deadline, we did a 69 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: show It's like, why are the Braves adding a reliever? 70 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: They're dead? They stink? What what are we doing? 71 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: Literally the only buying move the Braves made of the deadline? 72 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: What a while, by the way, what a wild few 73 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: weeks that was in retrospect, yes, all the way around, 74 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: but we'll leave that there for now. 75 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, odd trade deadline, nothing really happened, but they did Kinley, 76 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: and we figured they must see something in his profile, 77 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: just like they saw something with Pierce Johnson with the 78 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: Rockies a couple of years ago. 79 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: And it worked out. 80 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: And Kinley probably isn't going to be the sub one 81 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: era superstar that he was in August in September with 82 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: the Braves, but there was a lot in his profile 83 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: to really like. His underlying numbers were great, his swing 84 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: and misraates were really really strong, and the Braves really 85 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 2: made a significant change with Kinley by making him throw 86 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: his slider, which is a very very good pitch and 87 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: was a big reason why he was so successful with 88 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: the Braves, for. 89 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: Sure, and you allude to it, you know, beyond the era, 90 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: which obviously I think everyone with a brain knows is 91 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: not sustainable. It was zero point seventy two with the Braves. 92 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: His advance numbers were better, you know, FIP of two 93 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: point seven four xdra two point seven one xp was 94 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: a little bit higher in toenty five innings, but it 95 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: was not anything. There was a lot of encouraging signs. 96 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: And he doesn't walk anybody, which is a positive in 97 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: my book eight guys that walk people once they can 98 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: strike out a ton, which is fine if they can. 99 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: But you mentioned a slider. It's his best pitch. And 100 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: because they threw that pitch more, his stuff plus, which 101 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: is a metric, is not I won't claim to know 102 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: everything that goes into it, but it's a trusted metric 103 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: across baseball to just say, hey, how good is your stuff? 104 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: And his stuff is above average. It's a one o 105 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: six last season in part because he's threw this ladder 106 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: more and the slider is a bona fide top level pitch, 107 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: so if they kind of build his arsenal around that. 108 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: The fastball, by the way, isn't very good and everyone 109 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: knows it the numbers. The numbers show that, but he 110 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: doesn't work off of it anymore. He works off the 111 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: slider and that definitely unlocked some of what they probably 112 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: saw on him with the Rockies. And you know, this 113 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: is one of those examples that we say all the 114 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: time where you can't look at the IRA as an indicator. 115 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's an indicator of what's happened in the past. 116 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's not people do. It doesn't 117 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: matter clearly, it's performance based metric. But projecting in the future, 118 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: teams are I promise you not looking at Era as 119 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: much as they are other things. And this is a 120 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: good example of that back when they went and got him, 121 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: but also the willingness to say, hey, he probably isn't 122 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: this guy erao wise than he was with us, but 123 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: we still think he's a good reliever. 124 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: And I mean it's the new moneyball for the Braves 125 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: is identify Colorado Rockies players, especially his trade for them 126 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: for cheap yes, and then signed them to reasonable deals 127 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: and now good on Tyler Kinley. He was a guy 128 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: who was having a terrible year with Colorado, and at 129 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: thirty four years old soon to be thirty five, he 130 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: probably had thoughts of, man, is my career basically done? 131 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: And he makes the most of a trade opportunity with 132 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: the Braves through really really good innings for this team. 133 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: And I know, maybe folks weren't super locked into every 134 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: inning of the Braves in August and September, as they 135 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: were just kind of counting out the days on the 136 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: calendar in the lost season, but Kimley was really good 137 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: and he got a lot of big outs. He continued 138 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: to take the ball every couple of days, twenty five 139 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: appearances in two months. He's been durable throughout most of 140 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: his career and a guy who clearly won favors with 141 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: Brian Snicker and the coaching staff because he was throwing 142 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 2: important innings, or at least as important innings as they 143 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: could be when the Braves were effectively out of it. 144 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 2: It made a lot of sense. Good on Kinley for 145 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 2: getting three million guaranteed could be four and a quarter 146 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: and he could also be a member of this bullpen 147 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: for the next two years, and because it was only 148 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: two months, it's also nice to know the Braves did 149 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: not have to go to a multi year commitment because 150 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: if there was some smoke and mirrors to his game, 151 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: if he struggles with this upcoming year, you can shake 152 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: hands in twelve months and say thanks for everything, but 153 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: we're going to go a different way. 154 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, not to go kind of over 155 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: on this stuff either. But his projections, whether it's zips 156 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: or steamer or depth charts, how kind of couch, those 157 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: they're all in the range of him being a pretty 158 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: good reliever, but not a great one like an era 159 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: in the high threes, low fours kind of thing. And 160 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: in general they those projections tend to bring guys to 161 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: the middle, even the great players. Usually it's like, hey, 162 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: that's a little bit modest for him, et cetera. It's 163 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: just worth saying, like they still he's a pretty good reliever. 164 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: In fact, I want to say, in the fangrafs det 165 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: trop projections, he's somewhere in the like, you know, seventy 166 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: five to one hundred range across Major League Baseball, which 167 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: might not seem impressive, but there are. 168 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: Thirty teams major League Baseball which means he's the number 169 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: three guy. Probably were so in a bullpen and for 170 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: the Braves that is all maybe basically needed to add, 171 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: like he's the fourth guy, fifth guy in this bullpen. 172 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: When you factor in the top two and Dylan Lee 173 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: or all would all be ahead of Tyller Kenley. 174 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: For sure. You can debate Aaron Bummer all day and 175 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: we won't on this podcast. I pledge everyone that we want, 176 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: we will not do that. But at the very best, 177 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: Tyler Kenley is like your fourth fifth reliever and making 178 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: three million dollars and that's like a very reasonable It's 179 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: not sexy. I'm not saying that it is, but it 180 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: makes total sense for God that they clearly have a 181 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: relationship with and unlocked. 182 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: There's a lot of depth in this bullpen and we 183 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: know just the never ending carousel from a year ago 184 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: it was excruciating to watch. I mean every podcast over 185 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: the summer where it was like, Okay, when are they 186 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: going to move on from Anieldalo Santos and when are 187 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: they going to move on from Rafael Montero and the 188 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: other guys they were shuttling through that were just clearly 189 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: not it for this team. We're going to talk about 190 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: the bullpen as a whole here in a moment, but 191 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: it feels much better than it did a year ago, 192 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: where they were bringing in Hector Nares two weeks before 193 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: opening day and then pitching Hector Nerus on opening Day. 194 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: I mean, that's how dire things were a year ago, 195 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: and I gotta say, Brad and then we'll move on. 196 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: But this offseason, Man, if you told me two months 197 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: ago this offseason was going to be the one the 198 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: Braves are going to have, even if I still feel 199 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: like they need to add a starting pitcher, I am 200 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: thrilled with this offseason so far, with the additions on 201 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: the infield, with Kim and Duban Yastremsky in the outfield 202 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: or a DH, and the bullpen editions they've made. I mean, 203 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: I feel really really good about the moves the last 204 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: two months, and hopefully there's one more big move left 205 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: to put a cherry on top of all of it. 206 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: I strongly agree. I wouldn't call it an AA plus 207 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: unless they at a starter, but it's certainly in a 208 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: positive direction. I feel good about the way things have gone. 209 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: We did say I know that you and I did, 210 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: and I think sewn Stephen too, like they probably needed 211 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: one more proven ish reliever that they could trust with 212 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: the I thought, so, Kiley is they were not. And 213 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: also I didn't want to spend a lot of money 214 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: on that, which I know Stevens always said to Alex 215 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: tends to spend on bullpens. This is not that. This 216 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: is a very modest contract, which is exactly what I 217 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: wanted them to do, whether it was Kim Lee or 218 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: Pierce Johnson or somebody else in this realm. That's like, hey, 219 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: that's a pretty good reliever for a pretty low cost. 220 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: They did that box checked, and hey, if they want 221 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: to add one more of these three million dollars relievers, 222 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. Just don't spend ten million dollars 223 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: on a reliever and will be good. Yeah, for sure. 224 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 2: And even with Kinley in the mix, three million dollars, 225 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: you know, luxury tax wise, the Braves are still about 226 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: thirty million dollars shy of the big tier that starts 227 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 2: to impact draft picks, So you would presumably think they 228 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 2: could go out. 229 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: And add a starting pitcher. 230 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: They can also trade someone like Aaron Bummer if they 231 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: need to free up some more money to make other additions. 232 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: So this show, as we have about a month left 233 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: until pitchers and catchers report, I feel pretty damn good 234 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: about the state of the roster right now, and I 235 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 2: feel much better about the bullpen. With kin Lee out, 236 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: there is a more proven commodity than some of the 237 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: guys who are probably going to get a chance come 238 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: string training. 239 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: So we should go ahead and pivot a little bit 240 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: to the bullpen as the whole We talked around it 241 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: a little bit already, but just kind of resetting where 242 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: the bullpen is because it's a topical conversation with this signing. 243 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: I look this up today post kin Lee. Addition, the 244 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: folks at Fangrafts have this basically in real time depth 245 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: chart projections and it incorporates Steamer and a couple other things. 246 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: It's not gospel, they will definitely say that, but it's 247 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: a good rough back of the Napkin projection of what 248 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: teams look like in real time. And they have the 249 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: Braves at number eight in bullpen Fangrafts war in all 250 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: of baseball, not the National League, on all baseball, that's 251 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: a pretty good unit. Is it a top top tier unit? No, 252 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: But given what the uncertainty level was, and we talked 253 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: about it a lot earlier in the winter, like the 254 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: Braves bullpen was a real question going into the winter 255 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: for the first time in a while, given all the 256 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: injuries and the free agency of Iglesias before that signed 257 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: Suarrez all that it was like, hey, this might be 258 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: kind of a rough group. You fast forward to now, 259 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: and I feel pretty good about the bullpen and the 260 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: projections that are not taking out all the emotion that 261 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: you and I might have about it, are saying, hey, 262 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: this is a pretty good bullpen. Like if you're eighth 263 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: in baseball on paper, that's not an elite unit, but 264 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: it's a good definitely. 265 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: And you know, let's talk about kind of the guarantees 266 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 2: in this bullpen now or the very likelies. Yeah, you 267 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: have very sell Iglasias for the ninth inning or we 268 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: believe for the ninth inning. 269 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: That's been and they've they've said as much, So yes, 270 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 1: I think that's right. 271 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: You have Robert Swarez probably for the eighth inning, big 272 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: time free agent edition. You know, have Tyler Kinley, and 273 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: you have Uel Piomps, who the Braves gave two quarter 274 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: million dollars too guaranteed. A couple of months ago. We 275 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: did see Pioms a little bit at the end of 276 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: the season, but on the right side unless I mean, sure, 277 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: Piomps at two and a quarter million dollars, if he 278 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: has a nineteen e RA in the spring and his 279 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 2: velocities down three miles an hour and he's just getting 280 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: absolutely blown up, then maybe Piomps is not a one 281 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: thousand percent lock. But to me, I think given the 282 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: track record, I think Iglesias, Suarez, Piomps, and now Kinley 283 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: on the right side are all locks for this group. 284 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: I think you drew line in the right place. I 285 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: think Kinley is an absolute lock. Obviously, Glacis is wherez Pioms. 286 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: I thought, it's like what you said. 287 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: I fall a little bit short of the lock word 288 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: with him because I want to be very literal about 289 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: the word lock, and I think that he is cheap 290 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: enough and also doesn't have the record of performance with 291 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: the Braves where they would be like, hey, if this 292 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 2: is going really bad in March, they might be like, 293 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: you know what, we'll eat the two million and move on. 294 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: But I mean, it's it's a high number. He'd be 295 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: in the bullpen. It have to be bad to your point, 296 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: so I'm with you. That's four guys on the right side. Obviously, 297 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: they've invested the most on the right side. Given that 298 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: the Glacis and Suarez are the two eight figure relievers 299 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: they are, you're one two with a bullet. Obviously, the 300 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: left side is actually not bad. I think people overlook 301 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: it a little bit because they're familiar names. Only one 302 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: of them is an elite or even a really good reliever. 303 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: But a lot of teams have much worse left hand 304 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: situations than the Braves too. Dylan Ly, Aaron Bummer and 305 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: Dylan Dodd. I think that the Braves would probably still 306 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: be willing to give Aaron Bummer away in a trade, 307 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: at least relatively give him away, like not pay to 308 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: get off of him. But it's more the contract Aaron Bummer, 309 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: controversial figure as he is, it's more money than you'd 310 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: like to spend on Aaron Mummer, even as an Aaron 311 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: Bummer defender. He's too expensive for what he probably might be. 312 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: But if you just for a second, practically once the 313 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: lights come on the season start, what he makes doesn't 314 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: really matter anymore. He's a pretty good reliever, Like if 315 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: he's your second or third lefty, like that's a pretty 316 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: good spot to be in. And Dylan Lee's really good. 317 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: He wasn't perfect last year, but this is a guy 318 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: with a record of being quite a good left handed reliever. 319 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: And then Dylan Dodd is a guy but like he's again, 320 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: if he's your seventh guy in the bullpen, that's pretty normal. 321 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: Dylan Dodd is interesting. And I was looking at Dodd 322 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: a bit more, and I agree exactly with what you 323 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: just said on Dylan Lee. Assuming health locked in and bummer. 324 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: You have to hope that he bounces back, that his 325 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: shoulder is healthy now that he's had seven months away. 326 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: He was okay last year, but his stuff did fall off, 327 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: and I guess it's not a one hundred percent certainty 328 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: he will be with the team come opening day. Dylan 329 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: Dodd's really interesting. If he is your third lefty in 330 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: the bullpen, I'm okay with it. Dodd had some fascinating 331 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 2: reverse splits last year. Now we're only talking about a 332 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: handful of games, about twenty five games or so, but 333 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: Dodd was fantastic against righty's, but he was actually kind 334 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: of terrible against lefties, which was interesting because he is, 335 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: of course a lefty. It's a small enough sample that 336 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: I don't know if I necessarily can just put that 337 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: in pen moving forward. But Dodd did show he can 338 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: get righty's out. Maybe he can get better against lefties. 339 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: And I believe he is out of options as well. 340 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: So if the Braves can't get Dodd on the roster, 341 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: the big league roster, or if he's on the injured list, 342 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: I would be shocked if they could get Dodd through waivers. 343 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: So because of that, I think DoD is pretty likely 344 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: to be on this bullpen. Maybe not a guarantee, same 345 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: caveats apply. If he's terrible, you probably move on. But 346 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: I think that those three Lee, Bummer, and Dodd are 347 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: probably your three lefties in the bullpen to begin the year. 348 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: I've actually seen two conflicting things, and I will raise 349 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: my hand and say, I haven't looked this up. Beyond this, 350 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: I saw one that said DoD has an option and 351 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: one that doesn't, and I don't know which is correct. 352 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: Like Fangrass has DoD as having an option right now, 353 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: and if that's true, that would be both useful and 354 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: not useful for him, you know what I mean. Like 355 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: the Braves have tended to keep guys that don't have 356 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: options and then option guys down to Quinet that do 357 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: have options and all those things, I will raise my hand. 358 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer, and we probably should, but 359 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: that's that's that's on us right now. But then it's good. 360 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: Like I think, I would say it's a small sample size, 361 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: but I'm guilty of this. Until we started talking about 362 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: him today and prepaate for this podcast, I didn't really 363 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: realize that. I kinda not that he was elite, but 364 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: he was pretty darn good last year in thirty five innings. 365 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: Not a huge sample, but like, it's the guy who 366 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: is a former real prospect as a starter and became 367 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: really a very normal path. And I think again, if 368 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: he's your third lefty, you're feeling pretty good, especially when 369 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: you have other options if you need to. So that's 370 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: that's seven right there. You got some other guys, either 371 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: starters or potential starters who could be in the bullpen. 372 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: There's almost always somebody you add during spring training or 373 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: right before you got prospects. Just to name a few, 374 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, Hayden Harris is a Braves fan favorite prospect 375 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: could be in the bullpen. John Carlos Laura is another 376 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: Braves fan favorite. Prospect could be in the bullpen. Star 377 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: got das Bell Hernandez kicking around. We've always been a 378 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: little bit lower on him. But if he's your eighth 379 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: guy in the bullpen, not a bad not really a 380 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: bad deal. I wouldn't say, James Karen Shack, Ian Hamilton. 381 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know the starters wish if we 382 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: talk about for a second, every time we talk about 383 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: Ronald Lopez being the bullpen, YouTube yells enoughs because guys, 384 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: I understand he wants to start. We do we read it. 385 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: I promise we see everything the US see. I promise 386 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: they still might put one of these guys in the bullpen. Lopez, 387 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: Holmes and Elder is the one that's like, I don't know. 388 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: Elder is just more of a starter profile a low 389 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: end one. But at the end of the day, it's 390 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: a fundamental disagreement that we have with some people around 391 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: Brave's country that we just we think I do want 392 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: to speak for you. You can correct her, correct you that 393 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: they need another starter, and if they sign another starter, 394 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: that means they have these starters who are not kind 395 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: of have nowhere to go about the bullpen. But Holmes 396 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: and Lopez had both ben relievers. It's not like some 397 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: revolutionary concept. I don't know, it's just funny to be. 398 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: I think ultimately, the fate of Lopez and Holmes, assuming 399 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 2: they're healthy and assuming they make it through spring training 400 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: healthy and they feel good to go come opening Day, 401 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 2: is going to be impacted by whether or not the 402 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: Braves add that starting pitcher in the next month. Because 403 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: they have three, you add one more, that's four, and 404 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: they might want to carry Bryce's elder, who I believe 405 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: is out of options. You also have Joey Wentz floating around. 406 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 2: If they want to keep Wentz around, Wentz is out 407 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 2: of options. 408 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: Lopez. 409 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: I mean, we saw how effective we all the Lopez 410 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: was in the rotation two years ago, but before that 411 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 2: he was a lights out reliever, and he kind of 412 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 2: walked back his I want to start a little bit. 413 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: At the end of the season. 414 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: He had a quote or two saying, you know what, like, 415 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: I want to start, but if I go back to 416 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: the bullpen, I'm not going to fight him too much 417 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: on it. And then we have to just cross our 418 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: fingers that Grant Holmes's elbow is healthy. There's just a 419 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: lot of kind of things up in the air right 420 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 2: now with the back end of the rotation and probably 421 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 2: the eighth and only spot available in the bullpen. But 422 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: these things have a way of working themselves out. If 423 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 2: it means you have to put Homes or Lopez in 424 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: the bullpen, great, you've added an awesome weapon to help 425 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: you bridge the gap from the sixth to the ninth inning. 426 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 2: If they have to start, they can start like, well, 427 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: these things will get resolved. I am confident. Yeah, it's 428 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: not a problem. This is a good this is a 429 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 2: good situation to be in. Yeah, I agree with that framing. 430 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 2: It's it's not a problem. 431 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: You know. One of the pushbacks that we get about 432 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: a starting fishing position is that people start to just 433 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: list starters and get to the numbers that they want 434 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: to get to and say, these guys are all good, 435 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: what's the point. And we always say, like, you need 436 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: more starters than you think than you think that you do. 437 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: And yeah, the bricks have three guys that are fully 438 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: in locked pen whatever color pen you want to in 439 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: the rotation. If they are healthy, we know that, and 440 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: sale Schwallenbachus Strider. Then you have the next tier down 441 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: of Waldrop, who's also a guy that people love and 442 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: I get why, but like, is it like a proven 443 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: entity big picture but was good last year. Then you 444 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: have Elder Holmes. I think Lopez are ahead of Elder 445 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: in my opinion, But like, already you're at enough guys 446 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: to where if by some miracle, every one of those 447 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: guys is healthy on opening day, I could pretty much 448 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: promise you that one of them or two of them 449 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: will be in the bullpen in opening day because great 450 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: Homes and Ronald Lopez are not go one to the miners, 451 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: like maybe maybe Herston Waldrup would go to the miners, 452 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: but even then you're either putting Bryce Elder in the 453 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: miners or what like, it's a I'm all about signing 454 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: another starting picture. And this is not a problem because 455 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: of the utility in part because not only because, but 456 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: in part because of the utility of the other guys 457 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: they have. But like, having these guys be in the 458 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: bullpen is not a problem. It just it might actually 459 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: help you. I think Lopez is probably the least likely 460 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: to be in the bullpen because he wants to start. 461 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: They've invested in him. He was the best starter of 462 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: this group, and one time he actually was healthy. But 463 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: this is for later on. I just want to It's 464 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: just one of those things that always comes up, and 465 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: I get it. But it does help you run the 466 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: bullpen out a little bit. So we're talking about a 467 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: bullpen for sure. 468 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: And man, I mean I feel pretty good about who 469 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: is currently in the bullpen. If you add Lopez or 470 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: Holmes in there, I mean, that's that becomes like an 471 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: actual strength of this team. 472 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and even Elder, like I don't, I'm not, 473 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: I'm not a big Bryce Elder guy. It's very normal 474 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 1: for a team to have a Bryce Elder type in 475 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: its bullpen, to be like the long man, like you're 476 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: Josh Tomlin type of guy like Bryce Elder. I'm skeptical 477 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: is going to have some unlocking as a reliever. But 478 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: they could have an eighth guy in the bullpen that 479 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: just is basically the three ning guy with any one 480 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: that's that's not a crazy thing to have him any 481 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: as much as I'm again not super high briyceelet for 482 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: everybody else, even he's in that role, it's it could 483 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: be helpful to the team for sure. 484 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 2: And you know, Bryce is not a flame thrower, but 485 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 2: if he knew he only had to throw a couple 486 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 2: of innings every few days. Could he add tum velocity 487 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: onto his fastball and just let it all go, knowing 488 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 2: that he's not going to be asked to throw ninety 489 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: pitches and cover five or six innings. I mean, maybe 490 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: it's easier said than done, but that's not out of 491 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: the realm of possibilities. I think it's a good thing, Brad, 492 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: that we're talking about so many pitching options, especially after 493 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 2: last year where I mean they were literally claiming dudes 494 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: off the couch to make starts and to pitch out 495 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 2: of this bullpen. It feels like going into spring training, 496 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: we feel about as good as you can feel depth 497 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 2: wise with this group, and then if they add one 498 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 2: more starter even more so and give me every single 499 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 2: good pitcher we can possibly get to cover one sixty 500 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 2: two and then also have those guys healthy and relatively 501 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: fresh in October. I have a question for you before 502 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 2: we get out of here about the bullpen, and it's 503 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: basically this, if the Braves do nothing else in the bullpen, 504 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: and by that I mean externally, they just have the guys. 505 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: In the organization. Are are you okay? Are they Are 506 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: they done? Because you know that's last question is like, okay, 507 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: starting pitching. There is a global disagreement on this, but 508 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: our show believes they ended starting pitcher. We've said that enough. 509 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: We could leave it there for now. Bullpen was if 510 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: they don't add anything else external, are you okay or 511 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: do they need something else? That's kind of the next 512 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: question on this particular topic. 513 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 2: I would say yes, with one caveat, I feel good 514 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: about this bullpen. However, if they were to trade Aaron 515 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: Bummer to clear up some salary, then I would argue 516 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: they probably need to go out and add a more 517 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 2: proven lefty. Not somebody at ten million dollars, which is 518 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 2: what Bummer's making, but a more proven lefty for a 519 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 2: three or four million dollar commitment. Because Dylanley is good, 520 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,959 Speaker 2: but he's had injury problems. Dylan Dodd was pretty good 521 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 2: for about half a season in the bullpen, but he's 522 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: hardly proven. And that's mostly it from the left side. 523 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe the Braves are really bullish on Hayden 524 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: Harris from the left side, but for my money, unless 525 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: Bummer is either traded or if they have concerns about 526 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 2: his shoulder that shut him down in September, then you know, 527 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: then I would be interested in adding somebody on the 528 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: left side, but otherwise, Yeah, I'm good with this. I mean, 529 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 2: maybe it's famous last words, where are you at? 530 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned Hayden Harris because I'm sure 531 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: we would have heard about it if we didn't talk 532 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: about him. We did mention it earlier. But as far 533 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: as like, there's a world where they believe that he 534 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: is just their third left handed reliever, and that might 535 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: be I'm not ruling that out. I I'm always a 536 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: little bit less sure of unproven guys at the major 537 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: league level than some fans are, which is fine, It's 538 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: just my makeup, and I do like Hayden Harris as 539 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: a reliever prospect. I think he might be good as 540 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: soon as this year. We just don't know that he is. 541 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: Other guys on the forty man that are left handed. 542 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned Joey Wentz, but he could be 543 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: in this bullpen very easily, I would say. I know 544 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: he started for the Braves last year, but he is 545 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: no options left handed pitcher could be useful. I believe. 546 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: I believe Danny Young is on the forty man right now, 547 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: if I recall correctly, as a left handed pitcher, I'm 548 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: looking at the wrong roster. I think, uh no, he's there, 549 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: Danny Jung and then they got rid of Wall to 550 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: Chuck today Jose Suarez is also the other left handed 551 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: left hander in the organization right now on the forty man, 552 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: so they have a few left handed pitchers. I'm kind 553 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: of with you. I would prefer to have Aaron. So 554 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: there's it's a dichotomy there, Bubber, Like, I think that's 555 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: not a great use of resources financially in a league 556 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: where it's not it's not like the NBA where every 557 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: dollar matters. But if you're worried about lusure attack stuff, 558 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: and the Brave is probably at least somewhat concerned by that, 559 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: having ten million dollars in her Momber is not ideal. 560 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: But he is a useful picture, and a much more 561 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: proven picture than the rest of these guys are. So 562 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: I'm kind of with you. I also, I keep thinking 563 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: like they might just look up and say, because Alex 564 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: is always the false to having more in the bullpen 565 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: than we might think he needs that he needs, would 566 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: it surprise you if he signed another three million dollar reliever, 567 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't be surprised by that. I mean, I 568 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: don't know who it would be. I think Killy was 569 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: the guy we were kind of not necessarily banking on happening. 570 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: But if you asked me two days ago, what is 571 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: the most likely move for the Alex to Mack in 572 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: the bullpen, it was either gonna be siin Tyler Kenley 573 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: or try to Mummer. I'm not sure which one it was, 574 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: but ended up being side Tiller Kenley always for now. 575 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be pretty surprised, to be honest, if 576 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: they signed another reliever just from the numbers game, Like, 577 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: unless they really are concerned about an injury to someone 578 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: we aren't thinking of, then then maybe, I mean, that's 579 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 2: the one thing we don't know. I mean, if if 580 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 2: Aaron Bummer's working out and he has the bomb shoulder 581 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: and his shoulder is sore, we probably won't hear that publicly, 582 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: at least until they get to the spring training. 583 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: Not till February. And I mean that's oh, do we 584 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: ever say that m Joejimenez? Did somebody say that name 585 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: on the podcast? I can know that. 586 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: That's probably why, because I mean, let's talk about Joejimenez 587 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: for a minute. Yeah we should, So the Braves have 588 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 2: been whatever, the complete opposite of optimistic is. 589 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: Well, it's me normally is of the opposite optimistic. 590 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: Very pessimistic is I think reading the tea leaves whenever 591 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 2: Alex Nthopolis has talked to the media for folks who 592 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: maybe missed it. Joejamenez of course missed all of last 593 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 2: year with this knee injury knee surgery, but then had 594 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 2: another knee cleanup procedure. That's concerning, And the Braves have 595 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: said on the record a couple of times they really 596 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: aren't going to know what Jimenez can give them until 597 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 2: he gets to spring training and starts throwing bullpens. But 598 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: I mean, this knee sounds like debilitating to him, and 599 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: players on the team talk that Jimenez was like struggling 600 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: to get off the team bus and like struggling to 601 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: get out of his seat on the airplane after long 602 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: flights during the twenty four season, and was cutting it out. 603 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: And then he has this big time knee cleanup procedure, 604 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 2: and then he has another procedure a year later after 605 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: not being able to really pitch. It's concerning. I am 606 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: going into next season with the idea that if the Braves. 607 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 2: Get anything from Joe Jamenez, awesome, he'll probably be effective, 608 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 2: But I don't know how you bank on anything from 609 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: him because I mean that knee might be career ending 610 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: at this point. 611 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess the to answer my own question 612 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: about what I'd be surprised, i'd be. I guess after 613 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: talking through this, i'd be less sorry. I'd be more 614 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: surprised if they were to sign another reliever because they 615 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: do have a lot of options. Yeah, like Jimenez. They're 616 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: not going to bank on Jimenez. But if he's healthy 617 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: enough to pitch by June or something like, he's really 618 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: good when he's always been really good when he's been available, 619 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: and they're paying him a lot of money, so like 620 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: he'll have a spot if he's healthy enough to pitch, 621 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: and then Holmes and Lopez and maybe one of Harris 622 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: or Laura just is too good to deny in spring training. 623 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: Very possible, Like if you do the numbers game out, 624 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: even with Alex's predilection for over compensating on the bullpen, 625 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: I think it would kind of be surprising now that 626 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: we talked through it. But hey, that's a good again, 627 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: it's a good problem. I will not be the one 628 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: killing them. If they sign a eight million dollar reliever, 629 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: I will kill that probably, But if it's a three 630 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: million dollar reliever, I'll be like, you know what, cool, 631 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: it's Potson available to he sign somewhere. I should know this. 632 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 2: You cook the words out of my mouth. Yes, as 633 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 2: far as I know, Pierce Johnson is available. So if 634 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 2: Pierce Johnson's around for three million dollars, then sure. 635 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: As long as I would want one hundred percent to 636 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: do that for three million dollars, for six I would not. 637 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: But for three yes, called it. 638 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 2: Right without knowing exactly how much money has Alex has 639 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: left to spend this offseason at the deadline. Sure, but no, 640 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 2: I think this group is pretty much done. They also, 641 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe they get something out of ian Ian Hamilton, 642 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: who was good with the Yankees like two years ago. 643 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: James Karenshak was someone who was electric a couple of 644 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 2: seasons ago, was hurt. The Braves signed him to a 645 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: non guaranteed deal. And you know what, there's probably gonna 646 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 2: be more non roster additions to this bullpen because these 647 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 2: are basically free flyers to see guys pitch and work 648 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 2: out in the spring. And if they're terrible. If you 649 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: know they get into three games and their era is 650 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: nineteen on March third, guess what, You're probably gonna get 651 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 2: cut from camp anyway. But if you strike gold and 652 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: find your next Tyler Matzik and all it took was 653 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: a minor league, a minor league deal, or a non 654 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: guaranteed deal, then you should do that ten times out 655 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: of ten and just kind of see if you can 656 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: strike gold for very little money. 657 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: There are approximately one point two million of these guys 658 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: who are dfaied and signed and dfaid and signed, and 659 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: a lot of them are relievers. You know, George Soriano 660 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: just arrived yesterday, two days ago to the Braves. You know, 661 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of these guys that will cycle through. 662 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: They already literally DFA one of them to sign kind 663 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: Lee today, Like it's going to happen all the way 664 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: through March. It's not a big surprise, and that's what 665 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: we're trying to give the high level of picture of 666 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: what's going on. But there will be moves on the 667 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: margins and look a case. The reason why you do 668 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: that is occasionally you will hit one. You can't beg 669 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: on it, but occasionally you hit one. And that's a 670 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: great story. You'll find a Tyler Matxick every once in 671 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: a while where he was on the skrypeap and they 672 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: just found him, and that was great. It was literally 673 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: franchise changing in some ways to win the World Series. 674 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: But with that said that, as he stayed at the 675 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: bullpen at this point in time, Tyler Kinley, welcome back. 676 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: A good move, not one that we're gonna break out 677 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: the pop humps for too much, but I quite liked it. 678 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: I saw it coming through, I was like, oh, that 679 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: makes total sense. It's even cheaper this year, and you know, 680 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: extremely Alex Codd, which is funny. He hasttle his little 681 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: tendencies that we all love to kind of poke fun about, 682 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: but this is one of them. And I think it 683 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: was a good move overall, and a unit that I 684 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: feel boy a lot better about. A granted a lot 685 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: of that was a Glacist and Suarez, but I feel 686 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: so much better about the pumpin that I did two 687 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: months ago. It's not even remotely close. 688 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: And even twenty four hours ago. Just when you scout 689 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: the names, when you can put Tyler Kinley in that 690 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: like fifth rung of the bullpen options, it just looks 691 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: a lot better. And sure, there's no guarantees that Tyler 692 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: Kinley's going to be good next season. He's going to 693 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 2: be thirty five years old. He you know, relievers, volatile 694 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: year over year, all of that, But I like the move. 695 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 2: Three million dollars. You can bail after this season for 696 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: a million if you need to, and if he's good, 697 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 2: if he shows that the changes that the Braves made 698 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 2: with him after the trade in August and September are 699 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: real and you've added a really good reliever, you can 700 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 2: bring him back next year for five point five million 701 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: dollars and you've added a weapon for a player. They 702 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: I mean, they acquired Kenley for quite literally nothing at 703 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: the at the deadline from the Rockies. And those are 704 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 2: the kind of moves you should make, even in the 705 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:44,959 Speaker 2: lost season. 706 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,239 Speaker 1: Take a bunch of shots and occasionally you will hit 707 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: one of them. And that's where we are right now 708 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: with the Braves on on January tenth, one way to go. 709 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: At some point we'll start ramping up our kind of 710 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: season preview ish content, some player deep dives. All that's 711 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: coming up, folks. WBC's coming in less than two months. 712 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: Spring training. Gods will be arriving in spring training? What 713 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: five weeks from now? Like we're getting ever closer? Well 714 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: more plug by the way, again, listen to the show 715 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: from last night. There's real uncertainty with the TV situation. 716 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: I promise you'll be able to watch the Braves. I've 717 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: seen freakouts about like I can't watch there. They will 718 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: find a way to let you watch the Braves. I 719 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: promise you that. I don't know what it's gonna be, 720 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: but you'll have a way, I promise anyway, Scott, thank 721 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: you for being here. If we have new listeners, where 722 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: can folks follow the Scott Coleman fifty five experience as well? 723 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: When you are not trolling me in particular like you 724 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: were earlier today. 725 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 2: I was, I was offline. If people start tagging me 726 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 2: Scott's trolling you, I'm like, oh good, this is gonna go. Well, 727 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: that's fine. Where can they find you, Scott? 728 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: It's fine? 729 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 2: I am at Scott Coleman fifty five. Should we talk Arizona, 730 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 2: Michigan for like forty five minutes and just but yeah, 731 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: nobody wants to hear that, but yes, Scott Coleman fifty 732 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 2: five on socials, If you want to find there and yeah, 733 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 2: we'll be back. Hopefully the Braves have another move left 734 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 2: in them in this last month of the off season, 735 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 2: and man, we would feel so good about this offseason. 736 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 2: We already feel good about it, but we would feel 737 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 2: great about it if this team has one more move. 738 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 2: Come on, Alex, push the button, a little more money, 739 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 2: go one extra year. 740 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: Let's get back. 741 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 2: To being a really really loaded roster one through twenty six. 742 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 2: I feel good about the Braves right now. I don't 743 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 2: think we're far off from feeling really great about their chances. 744 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: I agree, and you can follow me if you want 745 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: to at BT Roland on Twitter and Blue Sky all 746 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: those places. Less baseball probably than Scott because it's I 747 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: cover basketball for not a living, but for a substantial 748 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: part of my life, so you'll get a lot of basketball, 749 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: but baseball too. I do talk about baseball on that 750 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: on those channels, and more importantly at Hammer Territory on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. 751 00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: And please subscribe to the show anywhere you get your podcasts, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, et. 752 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: Very much appreciated when people do that, and tell your 753 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: friends as well, ratings, reviews, all that fun stuff. Probably 754 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: no show on Sunday, consider we're doing the show on 755 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: Satday night, but if something happens, we'll always be here 756 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: and I promise you it'll be back and the very 757 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: least to a couple of days on the podcast. Thanks 758 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: for listening, and we'll see everybody next time.