WEBVTT - Analyzing the Law Enforcement Response in Uvalde

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<v Speaker 1>Hunt Thursday, May twenty sixth edition of the program. Just

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<v Speaker 1>so it'll be out tomorrow on vacation, but I want

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<v Speaker 1>to just tell you that I'll be back on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a lot to discuss today about the response,

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<v Speaker 1>the law enforcement response to the shooting in Uval Day, Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>More details have come out, some very much conflicting with

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<v Speaker 1>earlier reporting on what exactly happened here. So we will

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<v Speaker 1>discuss this because it is absolutely incumbent upon us to

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<v Speaker 1>have a conversation, a serious conversation, rooted in fact, root

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<v Speaker 1>in reality, about what may have gone wrong with the

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<v Speaker 1>response to this mass shooting in uv All Day, and

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<v Speaker 1>what it means going forward for CACT training and all

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<v Speaker 1>of the possible possible ways to make the percentages here

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<v Speaker 1>against this kind of a shooting more you know, more likely,

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<v Speaker 1>make it make it more difficult for this to occur.

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<v Speaker 1>we know about the shooting in Uval Day. There initially

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<v Speaker 1>were reports that there was a school resource officer who

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<v Speaker 1>confronted the shooter, and it turns out that as of

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<v Speaker 1>as of today and the most recent press conference from

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement on this, that was not the case. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no armed resource officer essentially armed police officer that's

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<v Speaker 1>there to protect the school on scene. Because it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>make any sense. The initial report said there was a

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<v Speaker 1>confrontation with that resource officer. Well, if that was the case,

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<v Speaker 1>how did the individual get into the school? How was

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<v Speaker 1>there no exchange of gunfire? It turns out that was

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<v Speaker 1>not true. That was not accurate reporting, i should say,

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<v Speaker 1>from a lot of media outlets, and the shooter was

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<v Speaker 1>able to just go into an unlocked entrance, walk into

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<v Speaker 1>the school and begin the murderous rampage that killed over

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<v Speaker 1>twenty people, all but two of the those slain or

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<v Speaker 1>small children. Now, this was also confirmed that within four minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>within four minutes of the shooting, there was law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>on the scene. Law enforcement officers did try to stop

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<v Speaker 1>the threat initially and were turned back by gunfire from

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<v Speaker 1>the shooter. And then this is where there's still so

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<v Speaker 1>many questions at this point, this is where I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be a lot of not just after

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<v Speaker 1>action analysis, but perhaps even some soul searching, some real

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<v Speaker 1>deep questions in the law enforcement community that responded here

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<v Speaker 1>about why did it take over an hour after the

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<v Speaker 1>mass shooting had begun, and with ongoing gunfire, intermittent gunfire

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<v Speaker 1>for that hour long period to send in the Border

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<v Speaker 1>Patrol bor Tak tactical team that did shoot and kill

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<v Speaker 1>Ramos who had barricaded himself in and was shooting at

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement officers and had murdered over over twenty people, murdered,

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<v Speaker 1>all these these children, defenseless children. I spoke to on radio,

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to various members of a law enforcement community from

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<v Speaker 1>around the country, people that had been swat commanders, people

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<v Speaker 1>that had been school resource officers, spoke somebody from eighty

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<v Speaker 1>second Airborne and across the board. It seems the training

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<v Speaker 1>is you stop the threat. When there's an active shooter situation,

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<v Speaker 1>stop the threat. Where we heard and the press conference

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<v Speaker 1>from law enforcement that there was some effort to do

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<v Speaker 1>negotiation with this individual. It wasn't really clear how that

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<v Speaker 1>what that really means, because they also said that he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't he was unresponsive to negotiation. So were they setting

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<v Speaker 1>up a negotiation team law enforcement while this mass murdering

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<v Speaker 1>lunatic was still inside in this classroom with defenseless children

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<v Speaker 1>and teachers. This, to me, I will just say it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like the response was unacceptable. The response of getting

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<v Speaker 1>rid of the threat here of over an hour, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's video that has circulated of parents on the perimeter

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<v Speaker 1>of this school being and the parents are begging law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement to go in there and engage this shooter. And

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<v Speaker 1>there was intermittent gunfire during that hour or two where

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<v Speaker 1>he was firing at law enforcement. The parents are begging

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<v Speaker 1>and being held back, and there's over one hundred police

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<v Speaker 1>officers and various law enforcement officers who had responded to this.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one guy with an AR fifteen in body armor

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<v Speaker 1>on in a classroom. We're gon we're gonna be told.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess at this point that the response time of

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<v Speaker 1>over an hour to send in a tactical team to

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate the threat, which means kill this evil piece of

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<v Speaker 1>filth that was killing these children. That's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>a sufficient response from law enforcement. I find that very

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<v Speaker 1>I found that very hard to take. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>that's I think we have a major problem here. I

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<v Speaker 1>think people might say that there was a substantial failure

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<v Speaker 1>in response time. Now there are a few there are

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<v Speaker 1>sub mitigating considerations to that response time failure. Narrative. One

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<v Speaker 1>would be if they had reason to believe that Ramos,

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<v Speaker 1>the shooter here, had taken a take. It said, he

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<v Speaker 1>you know that I have a hostage and if you

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<v Speaker 1>come in, I'm going to kill more hostage than I

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<v Speaker 1>already had. But he had already shot so many children.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to assume that the threat must be eliminated

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<v Speaker 1>at that point. I mean, you can't wait, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't seem like the negotiation would have had any

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<v Speaker 1>any positive effect. That there were law enforcement officers that

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<v Speaker 1>took fire. Yeah, that's why they have guns too. I

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<v Speaker 1>would assume that, given the number of law enforcement officers

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<v Speaker 1>on the scene, that they had some long guns, shotguns

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<v Speaker 1>as well as pistols as well as side arms with them.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have how many people, I mean, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>telling me that one individual with an AR fifteen in

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<v Speaker 1>a classroom is able to hold off for an hour

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred determined trained law enforcement officers. I would really

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<v Speaker 1>want to know why that is. I'd want to know

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<v Speaker 1>how that's supposed to be something that we accept as

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<v Speaker 1>a law enforcement response. And the whole country feels like

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<v Speaker 1>its soul has been wounded by this awful atrocity in Uvalde.

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<v Speaker 1>But if we are going to take in our after

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<v Speaker 1>action assessment, here something that going forward we could do

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<v Speaker 1>better to, if not stop all of these attacks and

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<v Speaker 1>if not necessarily be able to stop you know, every

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<v Speaker 1>every mass shooting in a school like this, to stop

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<v Speaker 1>most of them, all almost all of them, and to

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<v Speaker 1>also mitigate the casualties. And this individual was able to

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<v Speaker 1>to murder with him with no real effort to stop

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<v Speaker 1>him for far too long, it seems. And when they

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<v Speaker 1>say that law enforcement pulled back after receiving fire, was

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<v Speaker 1>any law enforcement officer hit or were they was? What

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<v Speaker 1>level of tactical proficiency are we supposed to believe this

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<v Speaker 1>individual has? I mean, I could tell you I remember

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<v Speaker 1>sitting down in briefings as me as a civilian analyst,

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<v Speaker 1>not a door kicker, not a not a war fighter,

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<v Speaker 1>but sitting down across from you know, nineteen year olds,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty year olds, Marines, sitting down across from guys in

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<v Speaker 1>their twenties who were seals, Guys who are a little

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<v Speaker 1>older sometimes who were Delai, you know, in late twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>early thirties, who were Delta and these guys go in

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<v Speaker 1>and they were going in in Ramadi and Fellujah and Baghdad,

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<v Speaker 1>and you name it to situations where now I know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's situations where there were people waiting inside with with

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<v Speaker 1>machine guns who were trained and who were trained fighters.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I understand law enforcement is not Delta Force and

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<v Speaker 1>Navy seals. I understand their differences in the tactical proficiency

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<v Speaker 1>we can expect. And that's that's clear. But you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to tell me that this one guy, if if if

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<v Speaker 1>six cops got in a stack and decided they were

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<v Speaker 1>going into the room to eliminate this thread, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell me that one guy with one a R fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>would be able to hold all them off? Or what

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<v Speaker 1>exactly were they waiting for a ballistic shield the whole time?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that? I mean, we're gonna have to get a

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<v Speaker 1>very clear answer to it, because the mass murderer was

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<v Speaker 1>firing at us, so we wanted to wait until other

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<v Speaker 1>people came along who had bigger, better guns, for an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's an acceptable response. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that's an acceptable response. And I've spoken to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of law enforcement officers, a lot of former military who

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<v Speaker 1>have also said that that is not an acceptable response.

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<v Speaker 1>But I said similar things after the Pulse nightclub shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>where you had in minutes, in minutes, not just a

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement you had you had swat team in the

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<v Speaker 1>at the Post nightclub shooting within within a very short

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<v Speaker 1>period of time, and that went on for over an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>And the murderer there, now that was a nightclub, dance club,

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<v Speaker 1>not obviously not a school, but he's walking around executing

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<v Speaker 1>people who were already wounded. And they didn't go in,

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<v Speaker 1>and they said, oh, well, we were concerned that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he had rigged the place with a bomb. Okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>you think if you wait longer and let him shoot

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<v Speaker 1>more people, he's not gonna detonate the bomb. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I never really understood that narrative of events

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<v Speaker 1>from the law enforcement command perspective there either never really

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<v Speaker 1>got a an answer to that and over forty people

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<v Speaker 1>were killed in that mass shooting, that by a jihadist

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<v Speaker 1>who said he was doing this on behalf of Isis,

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<v Speaker 1>the Islamic State and been Land and all the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of it. But back to you all day, this is

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<v Speaker 1>this looks this conference to this press conference that Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Partiment Public Safety held today did not did not. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, there was essentially no security of any kind

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<v Speaker 1>at this school, no armed personnel, no locked doors, not

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<v Speaker 1>even a person it seems his job is to buzz

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<v Speaker 1>people into the front door or there's nothing. From what

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<v Speaker 1>we've been told, there absolutely nothing, which is unacceptable. And

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<v Speaker 1>then beyond that, the response of law enforce officers, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it required bravery, required courage to go in and and

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<v Speaker 1>know that you've got somebody who has a semiomatic rifle

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<v Speaker 1>and is a mass murdering lunatic. You know you are

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<v Speaker 1>you are risking your life there as a law enforcement officer.

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<v Speaker 1>But to hear that, well, they went in, and then

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<v Speaker 1>nobody else decided to go in for an hour, very

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<v Speaker 1>very hard to hear that and not feel like there

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<v Speaker 1>was either a breakdown of the command structure or just

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<v Speaker 1>the the tactics here were insufficient. For the moment. The

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<v Speaker 1>tactical decisions that were made were so we'll continue to

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<v Speaker 1>follow this and look at it and it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>get this right. But that's my sense of it. I'm

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