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Speaker 1: Hunt Thursday, May twenty sixth edition of the program. Just
Speaker 1: so it'll be out tomorrow on vacation, but I want
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Speaker 1: We have a lot to discuss today about the response,
Speaker 1: the law enforcement response to the shooting in Uval Day, Texas.
Speaker 1: More details have come out, some very much conflicting with
Speaker 1: earlier reporting on what exactly happened here. So we will
Speaker 1: discuss this because it is absolutely incumbent upon us to
Speaker 1: have a conversation, a serious conversation, rooted in fact, root
Speaker 1: in reality, about what may have gone wrong with the
Speaker 1: response to this mass shooting in uv All Day, and
Speaker 1: what it means going forward for CACT training and all
Speaker 1: of the possible possible ways to make the percentages here
Speaker 1: against this kind of a shooting more you know, more likely,
Speaker 1: make it make it more difficult for this to occur.
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Speaker 1: we know about the shooting in Uval Day. There initially
Speaker 1: were reports that there was a school resource officer who
Speaker 1: confronted the shooter, and it turns out that as of
Speaker 1: as of today and the most recent press conference from
Speaker 1: law enforcement on this, that was not the case. There
Speaker 1: was no armed resource officer essentially armed police officer that's
Speaker 1: there to protect the school on scene. Because it didn't
Speaker 1: make any sense. The initial report said there was a
Speaker 1: confrontation with that resource officer. Well, if that was the case,
Speaker 1: how did the individual get into the school? How was
Speaker 1: there no exchange of gunfire? It turns out that was
Speaker 1: not true. That was not accurate reporting, i should say,
Speaker 1: from a lot of media outlets, and the shooter was
Speaker 1: able to just go into an unlocked entrance, walk into
Speaker 1: the school and begin the murderous rampage that killed over
Speaker 1: twenty people, all but two of the those slain or
Speaker 1: small children. Now, this was also confirmed that within four minutes,
Speaker 1: within four minutes of the shooting, there was law enforcement
Speaker 1: on the scene. Law enforcement officers did try to stop
Speaker 1: the threat initially and were turned back by gunfire from
Speaker 1: the shooter. And then this is where there's still so
Speaker 1: many questions at this point, this is where I think
Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of not just after
Speaker 1: action analysis, but perhaps even some soul searching, some real
Speaker 1: deep questions in the law enforcement community that responded here
Speaker 1: about why did it take over an hour after the
Speaker 1: mass shooting had begun, and with ongoing gunfire, intermittent gunfire
Speaker 1: for that hour long period to send in the Border
Speaker 1: Patrol bor Tak tactical team that did shoot and kill
Speaker 1: Ramos who had barricaded himself in and was shooting at
Speaker 1: law enforcement officers and had murdered over over twenty people, murdered,
Speaker 1: all these these children, defenseless children. I spoke to on radio,
Speaker 1: spoke to various members of a law enforcement community from
Speaker 1: around the country, people that had been swat commanders, people
Speaker 1: that had been school resource officers, spoke somebody from eighty
Speaker 1: second Airborne and across the board. It seems the training
Speaker 1: is you stop the threat. When there's an active shooter situation,
Speaker 1: stop the threat. Where we heard and the press conference
Speaker 1: from law enforcement that there was some effort to do
Speaker 1: negotiation with this individual. It wasn't really clear how that
Speaker 1: what that really means, because they also said that he
Speaker 1: didn't he was unresponsive to negotiation. So were they setting
Speaker 1: up a negotiation team law enforcement while this mass murdering
Speaker 1: lunatic was still inside in this classroom with defenseless children
Speaker 1: and teachers. This, to me, I will just say it
Speaker 1: sounds like the response was unacceptable. The response of getting
Speaker 1: rid of the threat here of over an hour, because
Speaker 1: there's video that has circulated of parents on the perimeter
Speaker 1: of this school being and the parents are begging law
Speaker 1: enforcement to go in there and engage this shooter. And
Speaker 1: there was intermittent gunfire during that hour or two where
Speaker 1: he was firing at law enforcement. The parents are begging
Speaker 1: and being held back, and there's over one hundred police
Speaker 1: officers and various law enforcement officers who had responded to this.
Speaker 1: There's one guy with an AR fifteen in body armor
Speaker 1: on in a classroom. We're gon we're gonna be told.
Speaker 1: I guess at this point that the response time of
Speaker 1: over an hour to send in a tactical team to
Speaker 1: eliminate the threat, which means kill this evil piece of
Speaker 1: filth that was killing these children. That's supposed to be
Speaker 1: a sufficient response from law enforcement. I find that very
Speaker 1: I found that very hard to take. I think that
Speaker 1: that's I think we have a major problem here. I
Speaker 1: think people might say that there was a substantial failure
Speaker 1: in response time. Now there are a few there are
Speaker 1: sub mitigating considerations to that response time failure. Narrative. One
Speaker 1: would be if they had reason to believe that Ramos,
Speaker 1: the shooter here, had taken a take. It said, he
Speaker 1: you know that I have a hostage and if you
Speaker 1: come in, I'm going to kill more hostage than I
Speaker 1: already had. But he had already shot so many children.
Speaker 1: You have to assume that the threat must be eliminated
Speaker 1: at that point. I mean, you can't wait, there's no
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like the negotiation would have had any
Speaker 1: any positive effect. That there were law enforcement officers that
Speaker 1: took fire. Yeah, that's why they have guns too. I
Speaker 1: would assume that, given the number of law enforcement officers
Speaker 1: on the scene, that they had some long guns, shotguns
Speaker 1: as well as pistols as well as side arms with them.
Speaker 1: And you have how many people, I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: telling me that one individual with an AR fifteen in
Speaker 1: a classroom is able to hold off for an hour
Speaker 1: one hundred determined trained law enforcement officers. I would really
Speaker 1: want to know why that is. I'd want to know
Speaker 1: how that's supposed to be something that we accept as
Speaker 1: a law enforcement response. And the whole country feels like
Speaker 1: its soul has been wounded by this awful atrocity in Uvalde.
Speaker 1: But if we are going to take in our after
Speaker 1: action assessment, here something that going forward we could do
Speaker 1: better to, if not stop all of these attacks and
Speaker 1: if not necessarily be able to stop you know, every
Speaker 1: every mass shooting in a school like this, to stop
Speaker 1: most of them, all almost all of them, and to
Speaker 1: also mitigate the casualties. And this individual was able to
Speaker 1: to murder with him with no real effort to stop
Speaker 1: him for far too long, it seems. And when they
Speaker 1: say that law enforcement pulled back after receiving fire, was
Speaker 1: any law enforcement officer hit or were they was? What
Speaker 1: level of tactical proficiency are we supposed to believe this
Speaker 1: individual has? I mean, I could tell you I remember
Speaker 1: sitting down in briefings as me as a civilian analyst,
Speaker 1: not a door kicker, not a not a war fighter,
Speaker 1: but sitting down across from you know, nineteen year olds,
Speaker 1: twenty year olds, Marines, sitting down across from guys in
Speaker 1: their twenties who were seals, Guys who are a little
Speaker 1: older sometimes who were Delai, you know, in late twenties,
Speaker 1: early thirties, who were Delta and these guys go in
Speaker 1: and they were going in in Ramadi and Fellujah and Baghdad,
Speaker 1: and you name it to situations where now I know,
Speaker 1: it's situations where there were people waiting inside with with
Speaker 1: machine guns who were trained and who were trained fighters.
Speaker 1: Now I understand law enforcement is not Delta Force and
Speaker 1: Navy seals. I understand their differences in the tactical proficiency
Speaker 1: we can expect. And that's that's clear. But you're going
Speaker 1: to tell me that this one guy, if if if
Speaker 1: six cops got in a stack and decided they were
Speaker 1: going into the room to eliminate this thread, you're gonna
Speaker 1: tell me that one guy with one a R fifteen
Speaker 1: would be able to hold all them off? Or what
Speaker 1: exactly were they waiting for a ballistic shield the whole time?
Speaker 1: Was that? I mean, we're gonna have to get a
Speaker 1: very clear answer to it, because the mass murderer was
Speaker 1: firing at us, so we wanted to wait until other
Speaker 1: people came along who had bigger, better guns, for an hour.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's an acceptable response. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's an acceptable response. And I've spoken to a lot
Speaker 1: of law enforcement officers, a lot of former military who
Speaker 1: have also said that that is not an acceptable response.
Speaker 1: But I said similar things after the Pulse nightclub shooting,
Speaker 1: where you had in minutes, in minutes, not just a
Speaker 1: law enforcement you had you had swat team in the
Speaker 1: at the Post nightclub shooting within within a very short
Speaker 1: period of time, and that went on for over an hour.
Speaker 1: And the murderer there, now that was a nightclub, dance club,
Speaker 1: not obviously not a school, but he's walking around executing
Speaker 1: people who were already wounded. And they didn't go in,
Speaker 1: and they said, oh, well, we were concerned that maybe
Speaker 1: he had rigged the place with a bomb. Okay, but
Speaker 1: you think if you wait longer and let him shoot
Speaker 1: more people, he's not gonna detonate the bomb. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I never really understood that narrative of events
Speaker 1: from the law enforcement command perspective there either never really
Speaker 1: got a an answer to that and over forty people
Speaker 1: were killed in that mass shooting, that by a jihadist
Speaker 1: who said he was doing this on behalf of Isis,
Speaker 1: the Islamic State and been Land and all the rest
Speaker 1: of it. But back to you all day, this is
Speaker 1: this looks this conference to this press conference that Texas
Speaker 1: Partiment Public Safety held today did not did not. First
Speaker 1: of all, there was essentially no security of any kind
Speaker 1: at this school, no armed personnel, no locked doors, not
Speaker 1: even a person it seems his job is to buzz
Speaker 1: people into the front door or there's nothing. From what
Speaker 1: we've been told, there absolutely nothing, which is unacceptable. And
Speaker 1: then beyond that, the response of law enforce officers, Yes,
Speaker 1: it required bravery, required courage to go in and and
Speaker 1: know that you've got somebody who has a semiomatic rifle
Speaker 1: and is a mass murdering lunatic. You know you are
Speaker 1: you are risking your life there as a law enforcement officer.
Speaker 1: But to hear that, well, they went in, and then
Speaker 1: nobody else decided to go in for an hour, very
Speaker 1: very hard to hear that and not feel like there
Speaker 1: was either a breakdown of the command structure or just
Speaker 1: the the tactics here were insufficient. For the moment. The
Speaker 1: tactical decisions that were made were so we'll continue to
Speaker 1: follow this and look at it and it's important to
Speaker 1: get this right. But that's my sense of it. I'm
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