1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang on today's show. Days not weeks, not months. Days. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: That's all that separates us from the twenty twenty two 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: NFL drafts. So what do we know? Praps Better said, 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: what are we all just guessing will happen? Because let's 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: be honest, no one really knows. But first, this dates 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: and Arizona Cardinals history. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode five 7 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: fifty six, and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: two with Craig Griolou and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: is presented by Hyunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, 10 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Easy Cardinals dot com, 11 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: Slash podcasts Going for Hopkins one hand to catch in 12 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: a touchdown? DeAndre Hopkins. Here's Craig Griolou and Mike Jarecki 13 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: Pop quiz MJ April twenty fifth, twenty nineteen. So three 14 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: years ago, what happened was at the first round of 15 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: the draft? Correct? That'd been Kyler Murray. Absolutely Kyler Murray. 16 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: On this date in twenty nineteen, Commissioner Roger Goodell announcing 17 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray the first overall selection of the Arizona Cardinals 18 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: and history as we know it's has changed. This franchise 19 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: is on the up and up. With Kyler Murray as 20 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: the QB, there's no doubt about it. And you know, 21 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: I think everyone's going to look at how the season ended. 22 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: But he was in the MVP conversation. You could see 23 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: the growth from year one to year two to year three, 24 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: and it's got to continue in year four. And it's 25 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: the little things that he talks about. Obviously he's got 26 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: needs weapons, he needs protection. But yeah, that was an 27 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: interesting day, you know, going into the actually that day 28 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: of you know those reports that Steve had still talked 29 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: was talking to Quentin Allams in Bosa. But I think 30 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, just based on hiring 31 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury and the fact that they had a relationship, 32 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: and we know that this league is changing, and nothing 33 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: against Josh Rosen, but you'd like to have that dual threat. 34 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: Now again, he's got to stay healthy and everything else. 35 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: But we can go back to the combine. How fascinating 36 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: everything was going into that week in Indianapolis is okay, Well, 37 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: you're looking at two the better defensive players on the board, 38 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: Cardinals have their quarterback in Josh Rosen. We leave Indianapolis 39 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: five days later, it's like, okay, well, there might be 40 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: a chance that this team drafts a quarterback for the 41 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: second straight year in the first round. And that's exactly 42 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: what happened this though. We can say with certainty there 43 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: will not be a trade of Kyler Murray three years later. 44 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: That was made Crystal Claire by general manager Steve Kim 45 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: during his annual pre draft press conference. Zero chance. So 46 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: I think we can eliminate all that noise. Whether something 47 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: pops up later, that's fine. It makes for good content, 48 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: good conversation. It's just not gonna happen. And I'm glad that, 49 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, Steve answered that, because you know, I think, 50 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of speculation and you know 51 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: what's going to happen on draft day. I think we 52 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: go back to a year ago where Aaron Rodgers was 53 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: on the trade block allegedly, there's a lot of you know, 54 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, teams that are figuring out what 55 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: were we gonna do here? And is he gonna go 56 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: back there and everything else, and obviously he stayed there 57 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: and sign a contract. So yeah, it's just when you 58 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: look at it, I think everyone is anticipating that possibly 59 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: on Draft Day they would ask for a trade. Now, 60 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: obviously Steve's had zero chance. He actually I don't want 61 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: to put words in his mouth, but you know, when 62 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: they get through the draft and some of the offseason workouts, 63 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: maybe they'll start focusing on that. Obviously, you work on 64 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: this for over a year, and the good news is 65 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray was active on media social media, which is 66 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: encouraging for me because once zero Chance came out, all 67 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the perception changed to where he is 68 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: going to be your quarterback, not only for this year 69 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: but the foreseeable feature. Quoting general manager Steve Kime, nothing 70 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: has changed in terms of him talking about Kyle Murray 71 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: being our long term and short term quarterback. You brought 72 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray on social media. I want to win super 73 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: Bowls with the Cardinals. A Z is home. Now there 74 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: is still and I don't want to say it's a cloud, 75 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 1: but there is still lingering doubts. But there is still 76 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: this area of, hey, something needs to get done. I 77 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: think it will get done sooner rather than later. But 78 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: on the Cardinals timetable and that would be a contract extension. 79 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: I was always in the belief that something would happen. 80 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: It just wasn't going to happen in February. It was 81 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: not going to happen in March. It's not going to 82 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: happen here in April. I'd be surprised it happens in May. 83 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: Maybe June or July, but certainly at some point before 84 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: the start of the season. I do believe the Arizona 85 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: Cardinals and quarterback Kyler Murray will come to an agreement 86 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: on a contract extension, and then all of this noise, 87 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of noise, some louder noise 88 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: than other noise, but that all goes away, and it 89 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: just became we become prisoners in the moment, and we 90 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: have to discuss it, we have to acknowledge it. But 91 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: it's just part of the process because you are not 92 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: going to force teams to do what they don't want 93 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: to do, and you're not going to force teams to 94 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: do something on your own timetable. There is a process. 95 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: As Kim said, you've got free agency, the draft quote, 96 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: then we will take a deep breath and sort of refocus. 97 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: That's sort of the reason every other player that has 98 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: been a third year quarterback has had their contract extended 99 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: in the summer or late summer. It's no different for us. 100 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: I'll say this personally, I would like to see more, 101 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: but they're gonna pick up his fifth year option and 102 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: hopefully you can get a long term deal where all 103 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: of a sudden he's got two years left, then it 104 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: becomes a six year deal. But as I mentioned about 105 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: the housing market, at some point you're gonna have to 106 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: pay the price. And so if it happens, you know, 107 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: going into training camp or going into the season, you 108 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: want clearly once the season starts, you hope that something 109 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: is done, unless parties can't come to an agreement, and 110 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: then that's a different story. But we've we've gregg you 111 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: and I've covered it. Buddha Baker, Patrick Peterson, Tyrn Matthew 112 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: have all signed contract extensions during training camp. We've been 113 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: in that press room and it's it's it kind of 114 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: brings some juice to the locker room knowing, hey, if 115 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: you put the work in and you're part of the core, 116 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: they're going to reward you. DeAndre Hopkins as well, that 117 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: was even a different kind of negotiation because he acted 118 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: as his own agent, but that was announced during training camp. 119 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: I'll go back because I know this has been repeated, 120 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: but it's worth repeating. To Gainberg gang over the past decade, 121 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: here are the first round quarterbacks who have signed long 122 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,559 Speaker 1: term contracts before therefore season. So work how the Murray 123 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: is at those six quarterbacks, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, 124 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Ryan Tannehill. Only one and that 125 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: would be Tannehill signed a contract on May or in 126 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: May by May, everyone else June or later, and then 127 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: the case of Watson and Goff September. So you always 128 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: talk about it. These things take time. It's great that 129 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray wants it done. And whenever the agent speaks, 130 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I act that as Kyler Murray speaking. 131 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: So don't tell me that you know all that's the agent. No, no, no, 132 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: The agent works for the players. So anything that comes 133 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: out of the agent's mouth or is written by the agent, 134 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: it comes from the player. So this team is not 135 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: going to feel any pressure to get anything done just 136 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: because there's this one page, single spaced, all caps memorandum. 137 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: If you will, hey, we need this done. Good, good, 138 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: for you. We got other things to worry about right now. 139 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: We'll get to you back, We'll get back to you. 140 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: And the Cardinals have been very consistent with that. You know, 141 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: I don't know the negotiation. I mean there's reports out 142 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: there that they you know, they're not or they took 143 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: the deal off the table. And maybe that's because of 144 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: all these other quarterbacks getting all this kind of money, 145 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: but a lot of those are veteran quarterbacks that have 146 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: proven themselves for the most part, and Kyler is going 147 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: into his fourth year. So yeah, it's just like I said, 148 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: they've been consistent about focusing on free agency. Well, actually 149 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: after this season they did a deep dive and try 150 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: to figure things out where we go from here. How 151 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: do you stop the you know, the downfall at the 152 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: end of the year. So you do a self evaluation 153 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: and you have an honor conversation and then obviously Adrian 154 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: Wilson and his staff they put together great So that's 155 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: the focus going into free agency, and the whole idea 156 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 1: was to retain their own players, try to add a 157 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: couple of pieces that are depth, depth guys, you know, 158 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: like a Will Hernandez is even to be the starter, 159 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: and then obviously the focus on the draft, and then 160 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: you get to offseason workouts and then everyone kind of 161 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: goes away for about six weeks, and then that's when 162 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: the focus should be on. I mean, doesn't mean we're 163 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: gonna wake up in July and get an email. I 164 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: would assume that a lot of you know, the only 165 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: time these coaches and players get off is really after 166 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: the second week in June until July. And so it 167 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it can't get done. But if you're the 168 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: Cardinals and you want to have momentum going into season, 169 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: you love them announce set in training camp. And now 170 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: the next question with respects to Kyle Murray is all right, 171 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: the strength and conditioning program has begun, he's not here. 172 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: Will he show up? Who knows? OTAs will begin shortly 173 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: and then the mandatory mini camp. Is that the first 174 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: time we see Kyle the Murray back here in the facility. 175 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: Kingsbury asked about that late last week quote, I do 176 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: expect him here at some point end quote. We heard 177 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: Kingsbury at the scouting combine mentioned that Kyler had not 178 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: had a normal off season because the protocols and not 179 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: being able to be in the facility. Well, This is 180 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: about as normal as you're going to get this summer. 181 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: Does Kyler Murray show up? I think it's a benefit 182 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: to him more than that, it's a benefit to his 183 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: teammates that he show up and work out. Not so 184 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: much right now, but when they are allowed on the 185 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: football field with a football to work on football activity. 186 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: I don't know anything, but I would think he'd be here. 187 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's yes. Again, should he be here? We 188 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: believe so, just based on you know, obviously you know 189 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: getting around your teammates, but it's only strength in condition. 190 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: You can't have a football out there. You can't throw 191 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: a football, The coaches can't be out there. So I'm 192 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: not giving him a mulligan. But I understand and he 193 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: let based on I en Rappaport, him and the franchise 194 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: were on the same page and that possibly could have 195 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: taken place two or three weeks ago. So but I 196 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: think it's imperative that he's here for the OTAs and 197 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: the mandatory mini camp. We know he will have talking 198 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: about Kyle Murray and I on what happens here this 199 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: week regarding Thursday, Friday, Saturday, first round, second round, and 200 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: on through seven rounds of the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. 201 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of which, Cardinal Fans Draft Party presented by Arizona 202 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: four Dealers, taking place on Thursday on the Great Lawn 203 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: outside State Farm Stadium from four until nine. Admission is free, 204 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: Parking is free. There will be a special post draft 205 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: fireworks show that will conclude the party following the completion 206 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: of the first round. Yes, you gotta wait a little 207 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: while the Cardinals on the clock at number twenty three, 208 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: but this is the first time since the Conna Murray 209 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: Draft in twenty nineteen that the Cardinals have been able 210 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: to do a draft party. So an opportunity Bird Gang 211 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: to get together to celebrate whomever the Cardinals may select. 212 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: Offensive player, defensive player. Guarantee you it's not going to 213 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: be a special teams player. That's about all I know 214 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: with prospective number twenty three. That's not going to be 215 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: a specialist special team specialist. Not gonna be a kicker. 216 00:11:58,520 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be a punter. It's not gonna be 217 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: a holder, and it's not gonna be a long snapper. 218 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: Outside of that, it's not going to be a quarterback. Now, 219 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: it won't be a quarterback. Fairly confident it will not 220 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: be a running back. I'd be really surprised, fairly confident. 221 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: It's not going to be a tied end. I'd be surprised, 222 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: fairly confident. And the world might melt, at least in 223 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: the state of Arizona if it is an inside linebacker. 224 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: So I think we can rule that position out. Other 225 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: than that, team can go a number of different directions. Man, 226 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more with you, And we'll obviously have 227 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: a lot of time to chew on what the needs 228 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: are just based on what they did do in a 229 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: free agency. Before we get into some of the parts 230 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: of the show, you threw a pop quiz at me 231 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: about Kyler Murray. Do you know yesterday it was eighteen 232 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: years that Larry Fitzgerald wasted two thousand and four, And 233 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: do you know over the weekend that Pat Tillman and 234 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: Jake Plummer were drafted? Because what was it, Larry Fitzgerald 235 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: was drafted the day before or the day of that weekend? 236 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: That weekend Pat had passed away on a Friday. I 237 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: think the draft was on Saturday and Sunday. Yes, yeah, 238 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: but it does ring a bell. It's this is the 239 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: end of April. This the last weekend if you will. 240 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: And now I know it gets a little bit pushed back, 241 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: but this is certainly a time in Arizona Cardinals history 242 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: and throughout the National Football League. But you're talking about 243 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: the drafting of Larry Fitzgerald, about the drafting of Carlos 244 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: dansby Darnell Dockett, Antonio Smith, that draft class that Dennis 245 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: Green had his fingerprints all on, that helped get the 246 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: Cardinals to the Super Bowl. One of the best. So 247 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: this is as general manager Steve come always says, the 248 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: draft is the lifeblood of your organization. And now we 249 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: wait and see. By the way this weekend patch run, 250 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: how'd it go? Well, I didn't actually do it this year, 251 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: so but I signed up and obviously the donation, but 252 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: this is the first year I miss it. I had 253 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: some things I needed to do on Saturday, so I 254 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: on Saturday afternoon wasn't too bad. Ridley and I went 255 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: out and we walked two point one mile, and then 256 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: yesterday I went down the Temple town like he likes 257 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: to go down there and look at the seagulls and 258 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: the pigeons and he I Candy, Yeah, he can run loose. 259 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: So but Craig I can tell you, Um, I think 260 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: it's one of the best events of the entire season. 261 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: I know people will talk about the Phoenix Open, and 262 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: that's more who you know, It's more who's there and 263 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: people like to be seen. When Pat passed away, it 264 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: just brought a community to get her. And when he 265 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: is Shoe got involved in this. It was just you 266 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: just and again, you go there and you're gonna run 267 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: or walk four point two miles and you're seeing people 268 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: that are in the military that maybe you only have 269 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: one limb. You're seeing older people walking, You're seeing young 270 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: kids that their father told about Pat Tillman. And so 271 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the best events. And it 272 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: hasn't happened the last two years, and you could just 273 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: see the buzz in the community. Um. But I was 274 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: following it on Twitter. I watched some of the shows 275 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: in the morning when they were at certain sites. Some 276 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: of the TV stations were in GoPros, which is you know, 277 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when you think about it, 278 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: and and they really do a nice job when it 279 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: comes to the corral. If you're a guy that's fast, 280 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna gonna be upfront. If you're someone that's gonna 281 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: walk and maybe a fast walk, but I really think 282 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: it's one of the It's one of the pillars of 283 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: our community every year now with Pat's run, and you know, 284 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: I can't said enough about Pat Tillman. Great weather too, 285 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: It's was gorgeous and as you said, i'll let go. 286 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: It great to see everyone out and about, especially everyone 287 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: you know, donning either a su gear or Cardinals gear. 288 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: But a big event that brings everyone together. And you 289 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: can't say this day and age, it's hard to say 290 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: that about a lot of things. Yeah, and again I 291 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: think they all. Some may not even have known Pat Tillman. 292 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: But when you hear the story, hey, why not Saturday morning, 293 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: knock it out. They do a great job. They shut 294 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: the roads down. You can go at your own pace. 295 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: Now I want to I want to tell this story 296 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: because when Pat he had gotten a contract off for 297 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: three years nine million by the Rams, I want to say, 298 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: Mike March could have been there, I don't know, or 299 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: Larry Marmie. Who Larry Marmori was. He was here at 300 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. He was a secondary coach under Vince Toben 301 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: Day McGinnis. So McGinnis I think McGinnis took over at 302 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: that point, so Pat turned it down and a lot 303 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: of people are like, why are you turned that money down? 304 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: So Pat comes into a facility and he says he 305 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: wants to talk to the head coach. So he goes 306 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: in there and that's when he informed McGinnis that him 307 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: and Kevin were going to go into the army as 308 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: a ranger. And McGinnis is like, wow, and then just 309 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: make a long story short. So McGinnis says, how do 310 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: you want me to tell the media? He says, I 311 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: don't give an f and so so Paul Jensen was 312 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: the director of the media here, Darren, myself and Ken 313 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: Summers were here. So Jensen said, McGinnis is coming down. 314 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 1: We went in that back room where Emmett Smith had 315 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: his press conference, yeah, which is now as door it's locker, 316 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: and so we're all sitting there and Matt says Pat 317 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: isn't to listen into the army. He's going to be 318 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: a ranger, and Darren's jaw dropped. I was shocked. So 319 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: really we were the first three people and then obviously 320 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: it got out, but it was fascinating to have McGinnis 321 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: tell us a story and I listened to I've talked 322 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: to Dave McGinnis over the years, and there was another 323 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: thing that happened. Cards were playing in Seattle. Pat was 324 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: there with his family. I think Bob Ferguson wants a 325 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: GM and he wanted to bring him in as a 326 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: special teams player slash linebacker, safety, but he also had 327 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: one other tour duty. So he goes to McGinnis a 328 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: suite on the Saturday night, brings Marie, their brother, and 329 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: some of their friends, I think it was Kevin, and 330 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: they go up there and they just you know, talked 331 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: about him drafting him. Why did you draft me? And 332 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: Pat said, the only reason you drafted me. You need 333 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: a new stadium from a issue and you want to 334 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: put fannies in his seats because he does the seventh 335 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: round pick. But they worked him out. That's a story 336 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: for another day. But so they have they have a 337 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: good meeting. So Pat goes back to his hotel and 338 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: he texts Mack. He said, you know there's a Starbucks 339 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: across the Hope the Cardinals. Actually, mister Bidwell paid for 340 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: the room and he wanted tickets, and mister Bidwell said, 341 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: whatever he needs, we will give him so he texts 342 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: Mac that after he left. He said, there's a Starbucks 343 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: across from the hotel. Meet me there in the morning. 344 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: So Mac meets him there. It's him and Pat and 345 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: Max said, do you want to come into the locker room? 346 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: Max said, initially, would you address the team? He said, no, 347 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: this isn't about me. But once they got through breakfast 348 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: in the coffee, Pat said, I want to go into 349 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: locker room. So a couple hours go by, everyone was 350 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: stunned when he walked in that locker room. Paul Jensen 351 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: I was sitting outside of the lock That locker room 352 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: did not open in a normal time. They wanted to 353 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: make sure they got him out of there before the 354 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: media came in there. And I'm telling you, Craig I 355 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: was doing sidelines. I was right there and I didn't 356 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: see him, but I saw that door closed. But Paul 357 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: Jensen hell, but he was in that locker room before 358 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: that came against the Seahawks. Pat didn't do anything or 359 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: didn't do that for publicity or anything else. He did 360 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: it for himself. He did it for his family, and 361 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: there were a number of attempts to try to get 362 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: him to tell his story and just would never go 363 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: there because he didn't, as you said, did not want 364 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: to make it about himself. No, and just why we 365 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: were on this because it's coming off Pats run and 366 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: we had plenty of time obviously to talk about the draft. 367 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: But so Max says, they go to his A issue 368 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: pro day. It's him and Larry Marmie, and you know, 369 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: so they decided to bring Pat over to another field 370 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: because he's going from linebacker to safety. And he said, 371 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: the first thirteen to fourteen minutes, the guys all over 372 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: the grounds, he could see he's not turning his hips. 373 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: And so Max said, we've seen enough. You know, maybe 374 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: he's more of a special teams player. He goes, I'm 375 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: just warming up. We're not going anywhere. And then all 376 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 1: of a sudden he started to show his upside. And 377 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, he did come in here. He actually came 378 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: in here on his bike and that's when he walked 379 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: into mc asked for McGinnis, and that's when he said, hey, 380 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: I know why he drafted me. I want to play 381 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: and I need your help. And so he gained things 382 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: to due to be better, and he worked on him. 383 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: He actually started, but McGinnis benched him during the year, 384 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: he was only playing on third down. They took him 385 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: off the field on first and second down because he 386 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: was struggling. Pat went to and said, you tell me 387 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: exactly what I need to do, and he ended up 388 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: starting again that season. So McGinnis had a great relationship. 389 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: But he said his workout, we were just like, oh 390 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: my god. We knew what he did in college. He 391 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: was lynebacker was He's a packed defensive player of the year. 392 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: He was all over the field. I mean, but it's 393 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: a little bit different. But you know, it's just the 394 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: fact that it wasn't easy for him, but he challenged 395 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: himself and McGinnis and everyone was in his corner. I mean, 396 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: I could tell you there was times him and Larry 397 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 1: Marmie would ff each other and then they would kick 398 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: him off the field. I mean, he was so passionate, 399 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: the fact that he rode his bike here. And I 400 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: could tell you this usually when maybe when I start 401 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: first covered the team, they had like sporting news, sports, 402 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: illustrated world news. He would read the news versus the sports, 403 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: and they never really collected and I never really dawned 404 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: on me. But he was a deep thinker and obviously 405 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: nine to eleven affected him. He Mac told me the 406 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: stay in the Arizona Republic, they had a flag, picture 407 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: of a flag the entire page. Pat cut it out 408 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: and he put it in the Defense's room and I 409 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: don't know how long it's stayed there, but every day. 410 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: And he said when when mcginnison addressed a team that 411 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: day because they're supposed to go to Washington, he said, 412 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: he looked at Pat. He just kept staring at the TV. 413 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: So it meant I mean, that really affected him. And 414 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: it's a big reason why the move to save Pat's 415 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: locker here at the facility. And again, if you missed it, 416 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: it was the subjects one of the subjects of last 417 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: year's Voltetales. You got Acy Cardinals dot com or the 418 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals official YouTube channel and check it out because 419 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: our executive producer, Jim Momahundro played a large role in 420 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: making sure hat Tilman's locker remained and was preserved because 421 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: the facility was undergoing some renovation and all of a sudden, 422 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: they were getting to Pat's locker and Holmes runs in 423 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: and said, hold on, not that one, and they were 424 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: able to save it and now it's on display for 425 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: every single Arizona Cardinals player new Old to walk by 426 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: before they step foot on that practice field. And you know, 427 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: because of COVID, we haven't been down there, but we 428 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: got a chance to be down there last week. The 429 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: first time I've seen a locker in two years. It's amazing. Yeah, 430 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: you talk about twenty nineteen, that draft, that's the last 431 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: draft that was quote unquote normal. We talk about the 432 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: Cardinals and the draft party at State Farm Stadium coming 433 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: up on Thursday on the Great Lawn outside the stadium 434 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 1: from four until nine o'clock. So, hey, if you've been 435 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: start crazy watching the draft the last couple of seasons, 436 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: get out State Farm Stadium on Thursday, and then on 437 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: Saturday as well, the Draft weekend country concert featuring Ryan 438 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: Hurd Atlanco and Calista Clark on the Great Lawn at 439 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: State Farm Stadium. That's Saturday, April thirtieth. Go to Sportsman's 440 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: Park az dot com for more information. And the good 441 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: news is the last time it was out there, the 442 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: Cardinals had the first pick in the draft, and so 443 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm assuming a lot of people left. Get there early. 444 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: It's great for families and kids. They're gonna have different 445 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: games obviously, you're gonna be able to watch the draft 446 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: mingle with Cardinal fans season ticket holders. So they're picking 447 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: twenty three, but again, get there early. And you know, 448 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: the last couple of years they picked first. It wasn't 449 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: a party the last couple of years eight and sixteen. 450 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 1: But now they're picking twenty three and that means they 451 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: made the playoffs a year ago. Cardinals Covered two presented 452 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: by Hunday, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. All right, 453 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: let's discuss number twenty three with respects to Kyler Murray. 454 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: We heard general manager Steve Kim say Kyler's got a 455 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: wish list with respect to the draft. Wouldn't disclose that 456 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: wish list would be, but let's kind of speculate as 457 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: far as what will help Kyler. Not all right, not 458 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: so much what Kyler wants, because I'm sure it's you know, hey, 459 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: I need a wide receiver. But what will help Kyler 460 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: Murray be a better quarterback? How about that be our 461 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: focus here as far as looking ahead to what Kyler 462 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: Murray might want. But in respects to that makes him 463 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: a better quarterback, I think there's two scenarios here. Give 464 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: him another weapon all of a sudden. You've got, you know, 465 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: four guys you can roll out there if you want 466 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: to run four wide. You got some depth. And the 467 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: other is they have to improve the interior of the 468 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: offensive line. And yes, they signed Will Hernandez. We know 469 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: that he has a relationship with Sean Cougler. At the 470 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: end of the day, Cougler is going to play the 471 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: best five guys. Justin Pugh's on the final year of 472 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: his contract, Humps on the final year, I would assume 473 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: that's gonna take care of himself. Beach Him's on the 474 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: final year of his contract. He got Rodney Hudson there. 475 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: So you got some guys that are coming up, and 476 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: we talked about, you know, knowing possibly they can lose 477 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk. They draft Ron del Moore, even though Sante 478 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 1: Samuels on the board, it could have gone a different way. 479 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 1: So that's just how the draft flows. So, I mean, 480 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: you look at it on paper and to me, playing 481 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 1: against the Rams, playing in this vision, you have to 482 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: protect the quarterback. He cannot be running for his life 483 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: or getting gunshy like what would happened in the Ram scheme. 484 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: So if I had a guess, now doesn't mean they won't. 485 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: Obviously they need a pass rush here, but I would 486 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: think if you're gonna go offense at twenty three, I 487 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: don't know which. I would think. Wide receiver an interior 488 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: offensive line would be my two choices right now. And 489 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: what you said with respects to how this division looks 490 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: and the talents across the NFC West and what we 491 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: saw a year ago, Kyle Murray has the ability, has 492 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: the athleticism, has the speed to allude the outside rush 493 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: nine times out of ten. It's when that rush comes 494 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: up the middle gets in his face, he back pedals, 495 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, what would have been 496 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: or should be a two or three yard loss becomes 497 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: a fifteen yard loss because he gets into those bad 498 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: habits of backpedaling trying to out maneuver and Aaron Donald, 499 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: if you will, no quarterback likes that interior push up 500 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: the middle. You form that upside down you so you 501 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: can stand in that pocket more time to look scan 502 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: the field and find your target, whether that's a wide receiver, 503 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: tight end, or running back. So it's not a sexy 504 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 1: pick and it's not going to get a lot of buzz, 505 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: But an interior offensive lineman, whomever that may be a 506 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: center that can play guard, a guard that perhaps forecasts 507 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: to be a future long term position at center, and 508 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: even a tackle that could play inside. I do think 509 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: what would make Kyler Murray a better quarterback would be 510 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman. Now, he might want a wide receiver 511 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: because as a quarterback, while I need someone to throw too, 512 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: and we've talked about that. Because you're looking at Kyle 513 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: the Murray. DeAndre Hopkins will be thirty at the season's beginning, 514 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: He's got two more years left on his deal. He's 515 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: not getting any younger. You've got Kyle the Murray. Who's 516 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: his favorite target, Who's his target that he can grow 517 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: with and really be the one two punch of this offense. 518 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: So the proper move offensive line. But the wish list, 519 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: I'm guessing without knowing, Kyla would tell Steve Come, I 520 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: need a wide receiver, a deep play threats on the outside, 521 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: maybe someone on the inside, but you do have Rondel Moore. 522 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: I would think someone who's taller than six feet who 523 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: could play opposite DeAndre Hopkins would be Kyler Murray's waste list. 524 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: Now that becomes what kind of run at wide receiver. 525 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we kind of know who the 526 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: five or six guys are. And you're starting to see 527 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: Christian Watson possibly be a late pick to Kansas City 528 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: or even the Packers at the which pick ahead of 529 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: the Cardinals so or behind him? Excuse me? Um? Yeah, 530 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: so I just say the Packers pick at twenty two, right, 531 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: and that right Patriots? Yeah? So, Rishon Watson's his name 532 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: is being mentioned, Bruce Pickens. I don't know if he's 533 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: going to be a first round obviously Burke's you're throwing 534 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: the two Ohio State guys. You're throwing Dotson from Penn State. 535 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: Obviously you're throwing Jamis Jamison Williams from Alabama. So to me, 536 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: what's the run on the on the wide receivers? Okay? 537 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: And this is going to be a heavy draft for tackles. 538 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: Were likely going to see a lot of defensive lineman 539 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: edge rusher's offensive tackles going the first probably five to 540 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: ten picks unless somebody moves up for a quarterbacker makes 541 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: it pick there. So and I'm not going to get 542 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: into you gonna get this six best receiver listen. Davante 543 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: Adams was a second round pick. You look at an 544 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: Kwon Bolden he was the second round pick. It's just 545 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: it's hard so to say and go. And I think 546 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: where we've been talking about quickly here is you want 547 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: a guy that has sized to add to that position. Well, 548 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: we're seeing it over the past couple of years. If 549 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: you have a wide receiver drafted in the first round, 550 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: top fifteen picks, there's better they've had more success than 551 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: what wide receivers in those spots have had over the years. 552 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: And if you don't get that wide receiver in the 553 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: top fifteen picks, then the talent has shown in history, 554 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: has shown that you can find that guy justin Jefferson 555 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: and the second third round Cooper Cup not a first 556 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: round draft pick. Top ten talent. Yeah, more times than not, 557 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: you're going to be successful because you have the talents. 558 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: But if you're picking at number twenty three, to your point, 559 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 1: who's on the board. Does someone fall? Does someone slip? 560 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: Maybe a Jamison Williams who does perhaps have a first 561 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: round grade by the Arosona Cardinals. How many times we've 562 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: heard it, whether it's Daniel Jeremiah or melkyper junior. How 563 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: teams view these draft prospects is going to vary and 564 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: very greatly a top ten pick or top ten player 565 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: on one team's board could be someone that another team 566 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: has in the thirties forties. That's why there's so much 567 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: unknown going into what's going to happen on Thursday. I 568 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: have a hard time thinking he's gonna slide. The Jets 569 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: pick at four and ten, they probably go heavy with, 570 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: you know, an offensive lineman, even though they've drafted Beckton 571 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: and the Jets have number ten overall, So I don't. 572 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: And then you got the Saints. You gotta get some 573 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: weapons for Jamis Winston. So I again, and the reports 574 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: are he's ahead of schedule, and based on videos, you 575 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: know he's coming off obviously in ecl happened in the 576 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: championship game. So he's made a guy that can maybe 577 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: start season on pup misses the first six weeks. But again, 578 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: you're drafting him for four or five years down the road. 579 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: It's just not for you know, two months of the season. 580 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: I just don't think he's gonna drop. If he was healthy, 581 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: he'd be probably the first or second wide receiver off 582 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: the board. Now let me throw this wrinkle in you 583 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: as we talk about history. Cardinals governed too presented by Hunday, 584 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals talking All Things twenty two, 585 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two NFL Draft. The history Steve come going 586 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,719 Speaker 1: into his tenth draft as general manager, he has never 587 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: drafted a wide receiver in the first round. In fact, 588 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: the most recent wide receiver selected by the Cardinals in 589 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: the first round Michael Floyd. So Steve com does not 590 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: have a history of drafting wide receivers in the first round. 591 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: Does that mean anything? I think sometimes it depends on 592 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: how the board falls. But do you roll the dice 593 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: on a wide receiver, get that fifth or option or 594 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: someone that's more known and part of that foundation, i e. 595 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: Offensive line. Well, the thing is, when you have Larry 596 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald and ROSSI, you're not gonna because they paired him 597 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: up with Michael Floyd. Listen, the Cardinals have missed on receivers, 598 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: and right now you can make the case Andy Isabella, 599 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: Chad Williams, J. J. Neilson flashed. I mean there's other 600 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: guys and now Christian Kirk and hopefully Rondell Moore pan out, 601 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: and then you look at a Kam Butler, Keyshawn Johnson. 602 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: So I just think going into this fourth year, and 603 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: I want to be consistent here because I'm intrigued with 604 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: a couple of these guards. And I'm not saying that 605 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: Hernandez is not going to be the starter, but I'm 606 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: looking at the future. But this team is trying to 607 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: win now, so I would think getting Kyler another weapon 608 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: and hopefully you can get a guard or tackle in 609 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: the second or third round. Now, one position we haven't 610 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: talked about is edge rusher. Does somebody drop there? That 611 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: is the biggest need, if you will, that this team has. 612 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: In fact, for me, it's a glaring large need at 613 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: edge rusher because you have Marcus Golden and no one 614 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: else to rush to the quarterback right now. And that's 615 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: nothing against Avonkanard, Victor d McCage or Dennis Gardeck. Those 616 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: names just they're not quite there yet. They do well 617 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: in certain circum circumstances, but they're not edge rushers. Maybe 618 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: Victor becomes one, but he's going into year or two. 619 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: Then it's Gardack caught lightning in the bottle. I don't 620 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: think it's too much to ask for him to do 621 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: what he did a couple of years ago. So edge rusher, Yeah, 622 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: that would that would fill a need, but you don't 623 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: want to reach for someone or draft. Yes, need plays 624 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: a factor, but you don't want to say, all right, 625 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: no matter who's on the board, when our when we 626 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: are on the clock, it's the next edge rusher. You 627 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: can't draft like that because then you let a wide 628 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 1: receiver go by or defensive tackle go by that perhaps 629 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: has more upside, and all of a sudden, you've reached 630 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: for the seventh best edge rusher and you let go 631 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: the number one defensive tackle. Well, if I recall the 632 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: Cardinals when they drafted Calvin Pace, I think he was 633 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: the next best pass rusher. Now, Steve did mention based 634 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: on what they didn't free see, based on retaining their 635 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: own players. He did mention Normally they say we're sticking 636 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: to our board, But I think sometimes when you build 637 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: your board, yes there's a great next to it, but 638 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: I gotta think, if it's a need, maybe that guy 639 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: gets the next number, you know, like a instead of 640 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: eighty five point two, maybe he gets eighty five seven. Now, again, 641 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: you got to stick to your film, but I agree 642 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: with you. It's just that if you draft an edge rusher, 643 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: he's going to be a plug and play guy from 644 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: day one. If you draft the receiver, he's a plug 645 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: and play guy. Can you I'm not fix it on 646 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: can you go three consecutive years on defense? I mean, clearly, 647 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: their needs right now are edge rusher, d line corner, 648 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: and then on the other side, wide receiver in the 649 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: interior alignement. So there are more needs on the defensive 650 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: side of the ball at the moment than there are 651 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: on the offense. But I think the offense needs another weapon. 652 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean it can't happen in a second or 653 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: third round. So you know, I don't know if there's 654 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: twenty edge rushers, but you hear how deep that position is, 655 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: and we're gonna see these guys come off the board. 656 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: I think Peter King today had him taking the young 657 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: man from Florida State the defensive end, Johnson, Jermaine john Johnson. Yes, 658 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: and again I don't even know if he's gonna be 659 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: there so well, I mean, and again it's a mock draft, 660 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: and he's doing three to four days before I'll tell 661 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: you this, Craig. Usually, you know, after we got back 662 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: from the combine, we kind of had an idea it 663 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: was even gonna be Kyler Murray and or Bosa I 664 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: don't never thought Quintin Williams would be the first pick 665 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 1: in the draft, and I mean even Aaron Donald wasn't. 666 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: This draft is going to be so unpredictable. And you 667 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: got eight teams that who have two picks in the 668 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: first round, and you have eight teams that don't have 669 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: a pick in the first round. I can't. I mean, 670 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: there's not a clear cut guy you can make a 671 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: case for, even at number one overall. Yeah, there's not. 672 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,919 Speaker 1: I mean normally we know now again Cardinals waiting until 673 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: the day of obviously they've focused on Kylin Murray. But 674 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: in years past you kind of had an idea. And 675 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: the reason why is now I'll go back to the 676 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield Josh Rosen that came out of left field 677 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: with John Dorsey. Baker Mayfield. Yeah, it was not until 678 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: the day of, maybe the morning of. All of a sudden, 679 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: people you started hearing reports Baker Mayfield. Don't be surprised 680 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: about Baker Mayfield. And it's like, Baker Mayfield and what 681 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: do the Cleveland Brians do They drafted Baker Mayfield. Yeah, 682 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: because you know over the years, I mean, Mario Williams 683 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: versus Reggie Bush, I mean, you kind of have an idea, 684 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: and this just this draft class. There's clearly he's gonna 685 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: be all pro players. Hopefully there's some fallow Hall of famers. 686 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: But this is a meat and potatoes draft. It's like, 687 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 1: there's no clear cut number one pick, but you could 688 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: pick maybe the same guy at five to ten, to fifteen, 689 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: and when you get to twenty five to forty five, 690 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: it depends what you like. It's like what kind of 691 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: ice cream you like. I mean, I like this tall guy. 692 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: I like this guy he can rush the passer. So 693 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: I just think that's gonna be so unpredictable. And when 694 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: you have teams that have multiple picks in around in 695 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, Kansas City, they got twelve picks, they got 696 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: twenty nine and thirty. There any need twelve players? How 697 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: many of those guys will make the roster and they'll 698 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,479 Speaker 1: probably want to go up and replace Tyreek Hill. And 699 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: I think that could be a viable option for the 700 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. It's only maybe. I don't know if they 701 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: want to keep twenty nine of thirty. I think it'd 702 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: be expensive to move up. But hey, it sounds like 703 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: you know teams are going to try to move up. 704 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: Cardinals could offer a future one if they feel like 705 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: there's a player out there. The thing is, you want 706 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: to get a guy in the first round that is 707 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: going to contribute, second round maybe more of a special 708 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: teams player, a third round depth and if they drafted 709 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: in terror offensive line, I think he's he'll get a 710 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: chance to compete in training camp, and then you start 711 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: looking at the future. If they draft a wide receiver, 712 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: he's going to get a chance to compete. You draft 713 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: an edge rusher, he's going to get a chance to 714 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: compete right away. You draft a corner, that's great, but 715 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: you also have Byron Murphy, you have Marco Wilson, you 716 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: have Gladney and hopefully Robert Alford. So is that guy 717 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: going to play right away? Now you're looking at the future. 718 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: Murphy's gonna be up in a couple of years, Marko 719 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: Wilson's on a rookie deal. Alford's getting, you know, a 720 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: little bit older. So to me, there's certain positions that 721 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if corner, now we've been 722 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: focusing on it. Do you take a corner there? Does 723 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: that help you as you don't have that weapon on offense? 724 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: Or you take a corner and you think this guy's 725 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: got a bright future. And you know, did the Cardinals 726 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: have a number one corner on the roster? You can 727 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: make the case maybe two two and am so do 728 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: you take a corner there where he may not see 729 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 1: the field? Initially they over the last couple of years 730 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: it took Isaiah Simmons at least eight games. Zaven Collins 731 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: obviously didn't get the snaps that everyone was hoping for. 732 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: And give credit to Jordan Hicks because he definitely beat 733 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: him out and he was the better player. Cardinals Covered 734 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 1: two presented by Hunday Proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 735 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: You touched on the possibility of a trade, whether that's 736 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: moving up, how far can move up based on the 737 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 1: draft capitol that you have, which is not a lot. 738 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: Do you fall back a couple of spots? That's always 739 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,720 Speaker 1: that's always the game within the game, and things happen 740 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: very very quickly. Steve Come talked about the ability to 741 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: move up, the potential to move up. Quote, if there's 742 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: a guy that we really like, will be aggressive and 743 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 1: go get him. If not, there's potential trade back and 744 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: get additional picks. Now, this team does not have a 745 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: fourth round pick, does not have a fifth round pick. 746 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: You're picking fifty five overall, which is round two, and 747 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 1: eighty seven overall that is round three, and then after 748 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: that pick at eighty seven, the Cardinals are not on 749 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: the clock until round six at number two oh one. 750 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 1: That is a long time to wait. It's that seventy 751 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 1: seven picks in between quart of mine you're doing. You're 752 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: asking me to do math on the fly here. That 753 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: is unfair. It's over one hundred picks. How about that, 754 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: it's over one hundred drop picks, so one hundred plus okay, okay, 755 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: So if you want to move up, you may have 756 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,399 Speaker 1: to offer a number one next year, and I don't 757 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: know if I'm in favor of that. And you're gonna 758 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: have to flip ones this year. It's not like you're 759 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: gonna take a team's now. Now. There's it's a possibly 760 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 1: Kansas City can trade out of there, but I don't 761 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: think they will because you want to get Patrick Mahome's 762 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,439 Speaker 1: more weapons. You want to get um you know, the coordinators, 763 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: Um it's bagnola. You want to get more players that 764 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:33,479 Speaker 1: you know, so it'd be interesting, But it's I'm glad 765 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: I don't have to make that decision because you know 766 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: you want to. You want guys to contribute, even though 767 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: they're rookies and we know how long it takes. Um. 768 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of positions you can plug 769 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: and play. Obviously, running back, they're not gonna take a 770 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,919 Speaker 1: running back. I think edge rusher, Hey, you play thirty 771 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: five snaps the game. There's a quarterback, learn your technique 772 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: and I think you can. We know the inside linebackers 773 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: not as easy to walk in and play from day one, 774 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,720 Speaker 1: So I think there's a certain positions. But I definitely 775 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: think if you draft a guy in the first round, 776 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: hopefully you can contribute and become a starter at some point. 777 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: Comes as we talk about history, yeah, you know how 778 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,760 Speaker 1: much can we learn from history? There's that old adage, 779 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, you learn from past mistakes so history doesn't 780 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: repeat itself. Steve come has made at least one draft 781 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: day trade, and seven of his nine drafts did not 782 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 1: have a trade up or down in twenty twenty or 783 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. But his most recent trade up and the 784 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: first round was the Josh Rosen and that took to 785 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: go from fifteen to ten, so you're moving up five spots, 786 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: so you're flipping. You flipped plus a third round pick 787 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: and a fifth round pick. Now the Cardinals could move 788 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: up and give X team number eighty seven overall this year. 789 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: That's a third round pick and maybe a future fourth 790 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: or fifth or package a sixth this year or one 791 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: of your three seventh seven round picks. So there's that possibility. 792 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,240 Speaker 1: I just think it's more likely because of the cost. 793 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: And we know Steve Kime likes to use your terminology. 794 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: More bites at the apple. You have eight picks, if 795 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 1: you can gain an extra fourth or fifth, another third, 796 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 1: more bites at the apple, more opportunity to get that 797 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: wide receiver, to get that edge rusher, build up the 798 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: offensive line, build up the defensive line. I would prefer 799 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: this team too, if it's going to move out at 800 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,439 Speaker 1: number twenty three, to trade down how long, how far, 801 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, but to acquire additional picks, to gain 802 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: additional players to potentially help this team at certain areas 803 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: on the field offense or defense. Yeah, and as he 804 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: knews was, he was one of the best center bisiness. 805 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: And now it's Eric Costa, he's a general manager there. 806 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,799 Speaker 1: And you know over the years, they kind of looked 807 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: at how many draft picks they've had versus the Browns, 808 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 1: and over five or six year period they had fourteen 809 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: more picks. So obviously it's strapped capital versus just you know, 810 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: taking a flyer on a guy. And again, um, you know, 811 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: if you only have eight picks, you gotta hope five 812 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: make the roster. I mean, obviously, when you get to 813 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: the seventh round, those guys, you know they're gonna be 814 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 1: practice squad guys and then you're gonna sign some street 815 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: free agents. But yeah, it's it's gonna be fascinating. Now. 816 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,800 Speaker 1: What I believe what happens is teams will start calling 817 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: around the day of and it sounds like teams are 818 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,439 Speaker 1: already checking in, Hey, you know, are you available? Open 819 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: for business? But I would think once we get past 820 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, a the edge rushers, the receivers, we get 821 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty one, the Cardinals will have four or 822 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: five names on you know, based on position with a 823 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: little bit of need or how they project the players, 824 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: the best of ellable player at that position. So at 825 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 1: that point, now all of a sudden, you figure, okay, 826 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 1: we if you have four names written down after the 827 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: Patriots make the pick up twenty one, somebody's going to 828 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: be on the board. Now when you get when you're 829 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 1: on the clock, is do you still have two or 830 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: three guys there because you don't want to go down 831 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: too far, you don't want to miss out and then 832 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: you're playing catch up. So's it's fascinating And obviously you 833 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: got the trade chart, but you would think conversations would 834 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: take place. I believe that conversation with it was the 835 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: Broncos or the Raiders. For Josh Rosen when they traded 836 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 1: the fifteen to ten it was with the Yes, it 837 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: was with the Raiders, Okay, So I got to think 838 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 1: that conversation took place earlier in the day. Now, there 839 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago where the Cardinals had 840 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: two picks in the first round seventeen and eighteen, and 841 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,280 Speaker 1: I think the morning of the Saints wanted Jonathan Sullivan 842 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: and so the Cardinals moved down. I think it to 843 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: take Calvin Pace and Brian Johnson. But that deal was 844 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: discussed in the morning based on a guy being on 845 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: the board that was obviously reported, So it's internice. I 846 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 1: just think you got to have your pool of players 847 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: and then you know, don't go down too far. And 848 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,880 Speaker 1: again they know more than I do. They have charts, 849 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: they have a lot of people that are a lot 850 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 1: smarter than me that been in the war room, so 851 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: they'll be prepared either way. Keep this in mind if 852 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,839 Speaker 1: you're looking to move up, because I don't think this 853 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,720 Speaker 1: team can move up too much as far as twenty 854 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 1: three to eighteen. I don't think you're going to get 855 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: in the top fifteen. But the five picks before the 856 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals at number twenty three, Eagles, Saints, Steelers, Patriots and Packers. 857 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: If you're concerned about the Packers and them trying to 858 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 1: figure out, right we need to fill the void of 859 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: Davante Adams keep Aaron Rodgers happy, well, then you need 860 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: to get to twenty one. You need to get ahead 861 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,399 Speaker 1: of the Packers and pick up the phone and call 862 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: in New England say hey, we need to move up 863 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: two spots now. To your point, if you got a 864 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: number of players, a handful, then you just wait and 865 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: then you've got four or five names, you're like, Okay, 866 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 1: who's available, Let's take that guy. And then if you 867 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 1: get that phone call and you say, hey we got 868 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: four or five guys, we really like a twenty three, 869 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: but we can drop down in number twenty six twenty 870 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,440 Speaker 1: seven and still get one of our players that we 871 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 1: really really like. Then you might be able to pick 872 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: up a fourth or a fifth round pick, hopefully this year, 873 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,720 Speaker 1: not in the future. And this is you know, obviously 874 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 1: it won't be announced until the combine next year, but 875 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 1: the projecting the Cardinals get a third round pick, possibly 876 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,799 Speaker 1: for Christian Kirk and I want to say a six 877 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 1: and a seven. I don't know where the channeling or 878 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: jones a formula. The Cardinals obviously didn't sign a ton 879 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 1: of free agents, so that will help the formula where 880 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: it kind of crosses each other out, so they could 881 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,279 Speaker 1: offer a third round pick next year. Right now, they 882 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: would have two on paper, and you can trade the 883 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 1: compensior story. Now you may have to offer your pick 884 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: initially and then teams can work it out because you know, 885 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: it's different having a top thirty two pick in the 886 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,320 Speaker 1: third round and versus a compens story pick, which would 887 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: be thirty three after So yeah, they'll have some they'll 888 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,359 Speaker 1: have some wiggle room there if you want to offer 889 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: a future pick. But I think if you can move 890 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 1: down and try to get an extra four or late three, 891 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,359 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you may have four picks, Craig, 892 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,280 Speaker 1: in the top one hundred. Right now they only have three. 893 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,800 Speaker 1: Twenty three, fifty five, and eighty seven are the picks 894 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: in the first three rounds for the Arizona Cardinals. And 895 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 1: again that number twenty three pick. You want to be 896 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,960 Speaker 1: out with your fellow Cardinal fans. They drap party presented 897 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,280 Speaker 1: by Arizona four Dealers coming up on Thursday, April twenty 898 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 1: eighth on the Great Lawn outside State Farm Stadium from 899 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: four untill nine. Admission and parking are both free. Godasy 900 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,360 Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com for more information. So Over the weekend, 901 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 1: chief general manager Bill Veach said that his team had 902 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: sixteen to eighteen players with first round grades. Cardinals twenty 903 00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: six Kay mentioned they had twenty six twenty seven players 904 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,399 Speaker 1: with the first round grade of eighty five and above, 905 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,240 Speaker 1: and again, we don't know how they grade these players, 906 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 1: but there are first round grades on twenty six, twenty seven. Craig, 907 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: you're you're telling me there's not thirty two first round grades. 908 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,239 Speaker 1: I mean, we got three hundred players. These guys tell 909 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 1: you there's not quarterbacks worthy of a first round okay 910 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,799 Speaker 1: this year, but someone's gonna hear their name called in 911 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: the top ten. I'm just shocked on this. I mean, 912 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,439 Speaker 1: all those great players that are in this draft. Now, 913 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 1: I say, great, it's not can't miss guy, but there's 914 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: there's gonna be good players. Well, we're just gonna have 915 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,319 Speaker 1: to wait for three years. So he said that he 916 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 1: has sixteen eighteen with first round guides and it's likely 917 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,240 Speaker 1: they'll be off the board when the Chiefs around the clock. 918 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 1: They have twenty nine and thirty. He said, the odds 919 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,680 Speaker 1: are maybe one of those guys following isn't great. They 920 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 1: also have fifty and sixty two, he said. Of their talent, 921 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: he said, we look at the value from thirty to sixty. 922 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,319 Speaker 1: It is good. He said they were able to get 923 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: Nick Bolton last year and Creed Humphrey last year and 924 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: that was value to them. So the Chiefs they got 925 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,799 Speaker 1: twelve picks. Those twelve guys are not going to make 926 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,400 Speaker 1: the roster. The other thing to keep in mind as 927 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,640 Speaker 1: we discuss the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, specifically this week, 928 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: where we are right now here on this Monday, April 929 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,879 Speaker 1: twenty fifth, whatever gets reported, whatever gets said, don't believe it. 930 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,240 Speaker 1: I mean as as people say it's the lying season 931 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,840 Speaker 1: at this point, Well, what happens is and I'm assuming 932 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 1: these teams have set their board and they go back 933 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 1: and look at a hundred times and go back and 934 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,520 Speaker 1: watch the film. Just you know, you're under the microscope. 935 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: I listened to mel Kiper over the weekend. I think 936 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: he's still going with aided Hutchinson, but he said, I 937 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,799 Speaker 1: don't know which team is going to take a quarterback Carolina. 938 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,279 Speaker 1: I mean, does Carolina trying to move around? Is it? 939 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,840 Speaker 1: Does Pittsburgh take a quarterback because they only have Trubisky 940 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,560 Speaker 1: under contract for one year. Again, this is going to 941 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: be very unpredictable, this this draft. So and again, at 942 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, scouts, they like 943 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 1: to get their name out there. They're not making the picks. 944 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,720 Speaker 1: They turn in the reports. They're involved in the process, 945 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, there's only X 946 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 1: amount of guys in that draft war room. And then 947 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,319 Speaker 1: when they're in between picks, they'll go down and talk 948 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,320 Speaker 1: to the scouts again. They talk to the coach, would 949 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 1: you like in this guy, tell me show me the film. 950 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 1: And then when the next pick comes up, they got 951 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,080 Speaker 1: more intel there. So and the problem with mock drafts 952 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: is they're not making the picks on draft day. It's 953 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 1: I think it's a great for content, content chatter, and 954 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of qualified people out there that have 955 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,480 Speaker 1: good credentials, but the best only get five to seven right. 956 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 1: And when I say right, is you got to get 957 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,680 Speaker 1: the team and the pick right. You may like for us, 958 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: we may have twenty five or thirty two first round picks, 959 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,360 Speaker 1: but I guarantee you we don't have in the same order. 960 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,680 Speaker 1: And these people study it mel Kiper's work in the phones, 961 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,840 Speaker 1: and usually some guys will only put out one draft 962 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: every year, one draft, and then you'll have like Sam 963 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 1: Farmer from the Los Angeles Times, he's doing a draft today, 964 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,320 Speaker 1: would just beat writers. And that's fascinating because you would 965 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 1: think they know at the end of the day, it's 966 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,880 Speaker 1: difficult to predict. And that's the unknown about the draft. 967 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm ready to buckle my seat belt and it's going 968 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,560 Speaker 1: to be fascinating what happens in the top ten to 969 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,960 Speaker 1: top fifteen. How many trades do we see? How are 970 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,239 Speaker 1: you guys pass rusher? So? And again, you were not 971 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,480 Speaker 1: going to have a quarterback picked and selected, and you 972 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't think of the top five, So it changes everything 973 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,360 Speaker 1: about the draft process. It is the great unknown, yep, 974 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 1: the NFL drafts, and more so than any other year, 975 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 1: perhaps twenty twenty two. Not knowing what to expect, but 976 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,279 Speaker 1: it's gonna make four great theater, great television, and of 977 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 1: course we'll cover it all right here. And on that note, 978 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,000 Speaker 1: we'll put a lid on this vision of Cardinals Covered 979 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,960 Speaker 1: two presented by Hunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 980 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Joe Mama 981 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,879 Speaker 1: Hundre for Mike Dreckie. I'm Greig Rio Loup. We'll talk 982 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,359 Speaker 1: to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.