1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: a paranormal podcast network where we offer you podcasts of 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: the supernatural and the unexplained. Getting ready now for Shades 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The thoughts and opinions 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, and 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, I 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, Coast to Coast at, employees of premier networks 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged to do 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: the proper amount of research yourself, depending on the subject 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: matter and your needs. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. For almost 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: twenty five years, I've been on a journey to prove 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: the existence of life after death. On each episode will 13 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: discuss the reasons we now know that our loved ones 14 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: have survived physical death and so will we. Welcome to 15 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'd like to start out our 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: episode today telling you some mighty good news. Our first film, 17 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: Ronaldi Instrumental trans Communication to the Other Side has just 18 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: one an award. It was entered in the Life Beyond 19 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: Life Film Festival in Torino, Italy, and just yesterday it 20 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: was announced it was voted best afterlife research film in 21 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: two so that's pretty big news. Very excited, And a 22 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: shout out to the creator of the film, our friend 23 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: Robert Lyon, who hosts our website, We Don't Die Films 24 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: dot com. He will continue and make more fabulous documentaries, 25 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: so you want to keep an eye on that. Also 26 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: a shout out to our son you' and Aldi, who 27 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: you've heard me talk about her before. For over thirty 28 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: years has been capturing voices and now images of loved 29 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: ones in the afterlife, and it's so amazing to see 30 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: her work, share her words. You can hear from her 31 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: on episode one of Shades of the Afterlife, and it's 32 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: a big day. It's big news and I'm very excited. 33 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: So that's the first film festival it's been entered in, 34 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful that at one this past week 35 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: a friend and person that I interviewed passed away. Robin Foy, 36 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: who was on episode fifty six Witnessing the Impossible, died 37 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: peacefully at his home this past week. His son says, 38 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: no ceremony, no funeral, He just wanted everybody to lift 39 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: a glass in his memory. A very good man. He 40 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: and his wife, Sandra, had investigated physical mediumship, psychic phenomena, 41 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: the afterlife for over forty years and he was a 42 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: real pioneer with what was called the School Experiment, and 43 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: a group of people started this experiment in a basement 44 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties looking for evidence of the afterlife. 45 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: And to say witnessing the impossible is an understatement. They 46 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: had roles of film and a camera that was never used, 47 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: and after they sat in darkness, there were images on 48 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: the film. He tells a story on our episode fifty 49 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: six of a newspaper that was brought into the room 50 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: from out of nowhere, and it was dated during the 51 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: World War two times and it was tested. It was 52 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: as if it was just printed, absolutely brand new, so 53 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: perhaps brought in from a different time. The stories are endless, 54 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: and he was an older man when he passed, but 55 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: he kept on working up until that final day. I 56 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: know he is going to be working on behalf of 57 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: humanity from the other side, but we will miss him 58 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: for sure. So if you haven't yet heard episode of 59 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: fifty six Witnessing the Impossible, please make sure you do 60 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: in honor of Robin Foy. You know, when we lose 61 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: someone we care for it's so difficult. Even though I 62 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: have been on this journey for twenty five years, it 63 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: still doesn't get easy, and it doesn't occur as death 64 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: is a good thing. Part of our human makeup, I believe, 65 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: is to forget who we really are, you know, souls 66 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: having a human experience, and we buy into most days, 67 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: most hours, the thought that we're going to disappear someday 68 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: and it will be over. Of course we do continue, 69 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: but I just want to say, for myself and probably 70 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: for you, depending on how much research you've done into 71 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: the afterlife, even witnessing the impossible, I feel like I've 72 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: witnessed full blown mirror goals, and I still wake up 73 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: in the morning kind of pinching myself. Is it real 74 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: or was it just a dream? Still questioning. I don't 75 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: think we ever have it handled to a point where 76 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: we feel comfortable with death. And I think even those 77 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: last moments that we are on earth, there is this 78 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: fear of the unknown. Of course, there are billions and 79 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: billions of people that have gone before us, so we 80 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: will make it fine, okay over there, But it is 81 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: human to have that fear, you know. We all have 82 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: that voice inside of us that ego, and it doesn't 83 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: want to go anywhere. It doesn't want us to take chances, risks. 84 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: It tells us to be afraid. And that voice of 85 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: fear I feel, is that ego, the one that doesn't 86 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: want us to take that last breath. I know from 87 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: everything I've witnessed and everyone I've spoken to that we 88 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: go on. And I think what's very comforting is that 89 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: there are people that come to help us cross into 90 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: the unseen world, whether you call them spirit guides, angels, 91 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: are loved ones. There's so much research that we get 92 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: this terminal lucidity and we can actually see into the beyond. 93 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: So many people say, oh, it's so beautiful over there, 94 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: and they have these last statements just before they pass 95 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: which reassure us that they see where they're going. So 96 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: although we'll be fine, it's still hard to let go. 97 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: Another friend who has passed is Melan Thomas Benedict, and 98 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: you can listen to the show I had hearing his 99 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: words on episode forty five. He had had a near 100 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: death experience and he came back to be an inventor 101 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: and a very wise, spiritual person. And in thinking of 102 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: Robin Foy today and Mr Benedict. I thought also of 103 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: Rosemary Ellen Guy. She is someone I spoke two years 104 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: ago and she passed away not too too long ago 105 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: from cancer, and I thought, I have a great conversation 106 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: with her recorded, and I thought this could be an 107 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: in memoriam celebration of life of some really good people 108 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: who were afterlife pioneers. So, if you don't mind, I'd 109 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: like to share with you some words from Rosemary. She's 110 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: a lady who has written and published more than sixty 111 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: five books on many topics, but her search for the 112 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: truth and the search for the afterlife was a full 113 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: time job for her, and she'd been in this field 114 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: for thirty five years. She had been all over television 115 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: and radio appearances and lecturing, and so now I'd like 116 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: to introduce you to some words from Rosemary with a 117 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: conversation I had with her a few years back when 118 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: we were both on our way to speak at an 119 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: afterlife conference. Sandra has such a pleasure to talk with 120 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: you today. It's been a lifelong journey, and I've been 121 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: very privileged to have my personal spiritual journey be part 122 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: of my professional journey as well. I've had a lifelong 123 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: interest in these topics from a very early age. I 124 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: I also was a writer. As soon as I could 125 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: make letters with a cran or or a pencil, I 126 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: was writing something, and for me, the mysteries of the 127 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: unknown always pulled me. I did have an influence from family. Um. 128 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: My mother was prolific psychic dreamer. She had other experiences 129 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: as well. My mother, my older sister, and I all 130 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: had our own interactions with the unseen realms that were 131 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: unique to each of us. But my mother especially had 132 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: a lot of precognitive dreams, and some of them, of course, 133 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: were unsettling dreams because they dealt with four warnings of 134 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: deaths of people she knew. I was in my tween 135 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: years when Mom started sharing a lot of these dreams 136 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: with me and her anxieties about them. Now to me, 137 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: the idea that we could dream the future, any future, 138 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: in a reliable way, just fascinated me, and I started 139 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: turning more attention to dreams. I got books on dreams, 140 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: I started keeping a dream journal. Over the course of 141 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: the next few years, I had done pretty much a 142 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: self study course and how to project Astralian dreams, visit 143 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: distant locations, send and received messages with friends. What we 144 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: would call today remote view places with some accuracy. I 145 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: had enough successes that it convinced me that dreams were 146 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. They were amazing mechanisms that reached beyond time 147 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: and space into afterlife, uh, into past lives. Uh. And 148 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: of course, the more I learned about dreams, the most 149 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: important aspect of them all is that they tell us 150 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: so much about ourselves, and they reflect to us the 151 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: truth of how we feel we're really doing in life. 152 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: And they point out imbalances and also give us the 153 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: solutions to our problems if we pay attention to them. 154 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: So that triggered a lot of interest. Then that then 155 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: started spreading. I was already interested in ghosts and uh, 156 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: you know, mysterious creatures, aliens UFOs. So I've had kind 157 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: of a gill of all trades what I now call 158 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: the renaissance woman. Uh. And I think that people who 159 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: are researchers in these fields metaphysical and paranormal, we have 160 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: to be renaissance men and women today. We have to 161 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: have working knowledges across a broad range of topics in 162 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: order to to really be effective and understand the focus 163 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: of our studies. So that's what really launched me on 164 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: this path, I got into divination, I studied the Taro, 165 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: I studied energy healing. I became a paranormal investor gator. 166 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: I started pursuing studies in the afterlife and reincarnation and 167 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: the other end of the spectrum entity contact experiences of 168 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: all kinds and how people are changed by them. All 169 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: these things tied together and underneath it all has been 170 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: this underpinning of dreams, and I became a dream facilitator. 171 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: I started doing lay dream work for individuals and groups. 172 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: Took a lot of young in courses at the Young 173 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: Center in New York City on dreams and the psychology 174 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: of dreams. Uh, and dreams are still very important to 175 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: me as a compass that we can use to orient 176 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: ourselves now, Sandra. Over the course of time, in studying 177 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: dreams and in talking to people about their dreams, I 178 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: collected quite a few accounts of people who had had 179 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: contact with the dead. And even though the experiences seemed 180 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: to be part of dreams like lucid dreams, or they 181 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: had dreamlike qualities to them, people were convinced that they 182 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: had had actual, real, even physical contact with departed loved ones, 183 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: and they wanted to know is this so, because many 184 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: therapists will tell people always just wish fulfillment. Now, it 185 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: didn't really happen, it just seem like it did. So 186 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: I started studying dream visits from the dead, and of course, 187 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: since I considered dreams a pathway to other realities, it 188 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: made perfect sense to me that they could be a 189 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: bridge between the afterlife and the world of the living 190 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: where we can have these literally reunions. So that's kind 191 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: of the background that paved the way for things concerning 192 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: dreams and the afterlife. Let's take our first break now, 193 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: and when we come back, we'll hear some more words 194 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: from Rosemary, who no doubt is keeping very busy in 195 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: the afterlife. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife the 196 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 197 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 198 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: and we are listening to a past conversation I had 199 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: with the late Rosemary Ellen Guiley, and she was just 200 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: talking about being in contact with loved ones through dreams. 201 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: Let's continue. You know, another offshoot of that was the 202 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: Black Mirror as another way to have contact. And I 203 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: know nothing about the black mirror. The black mirror is 204 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: a wonderful tool for a variety of purposes, and through 205 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: my work in the paranormal and studying occultism, I was 206 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: familiar with the use of black mirrors. They've been used 207 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: throughout history for divination and for magical purposes, for seeing 208 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: into the future and into the past. But it was 209 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties when I read Dr Raymond Moody's 210 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: book Reunions that I was just galvanized to employ them 211 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: as a tool for contacting the dead. And I had 212 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: studied a lot of mythology like Dr Moody, I was 213 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: familiar with the ancient Greeks and their techniques for using 214 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: dark places and dark surfaces as a way of contacting 215 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: the dead. When I read his book about the use 216 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: of the black mirror, and I already had a black 217 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: mirror and and I used it for psychic development. It's 218 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: a wonderful tool for sharpening up your psychic faculties. I thought, 219 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: this is really something that can benefit people. And Dr 220 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: Moody had coined the term psychomantium place of the spirit, 221 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: a place where you would go in a dimly lit 222 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: room to gaze into or that had a black surface 223 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: instead of a silver surface with the intention of evoking 224 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: contact with the dead, and he had worked with hundreds 225 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: of volunteers to refine this process. Why contacted Dr Moody 226 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: and I went down to Alabama to his home to 227 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: have my own psychomant experience with him, and it was 228 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: an amazing journey. We did a lot of preintention setting, 229 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: like what was my purpose for being there? Who did 230 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: I want to contact? Dr Moody would ask, well, tell 231 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: me about your relationship and what worked about it and 232 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: what didn't and uh. And then I had my time 233 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: in the psychoman Team, which was a converted walk in 234 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: closet with a giant black mirror in it, and it 235 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: was such a powerful experience. So after that, then I 236 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: took some training from Dr Moody. He offered mirror facilitation 237 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: classes for people who wanted to use the black mirror 238 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: to help other people in whatever purpose. So I took 239 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: his training class. Now, I'm not a licensed psychotherapist, so 240 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: I was not using it in that way. I've always 241 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: used things as a life facilitator. Uh. So I started 242 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: doing workshops in the black mirror as a way to 243 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: contact the dead, and I experimented a lot with myself 244 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,479 Speaker 1: to refine techniques that I wanted to use for induction, 245 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: for helping people to visualize to here, to feel too sense, 246 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: and then helping them process that on the outcome after 247 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: they came literally came back out of the mirror. And 248 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: over the years, I've been doing these for quite a 249 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: few years now. They've been quite successful. People have had 250 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: astounding experiences, even beginners to have never meditated, never had 251 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: done any psychic development work, even beginners can have profound 252 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: experiences in the mirror. So one of the things that 253 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: was an obstacle was supply of mirrors. And I couldn't 254 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: find a good commercial supply of mirrors. So my husband 255 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: and I started making them good for you. I looked 256 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: online for black mirrors once I heard your topic, like 257 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: where do you get one? Uh? You can buy uh, 258 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, like little discs of like black and glass. 259 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: But I wanted something that evoked a feeling and atmosphere. 260 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: I wanted um a nice frame, the setting of the room. 261 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: I I go to great lengths as much as I 262 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: can in any given setting. I do these in private 263 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: homes and hotels and back rooms of bookshops and places 264 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: like that. But my husband Joe and I we have 265 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: several dozen what we call class mirrors, and these are 266 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: simple framed black frames, black mirrors, lightweight that we can 267 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: easily take from location to location so that people don't 268 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: have to buy a mirror in order to have the experience. 269 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: Try it out, see if it's for you. We energize 270 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: them and cleanse them for every session. So this has 271 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: been one of my most i would say rewarding events. 272 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: And along the way, Sander, we've had phenomena that have 273 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 1: occurred in the scrying room. Scrying is an old term. 274 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: It's an old English term, by the way, that means 275 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: to discern dimly, and I opted to use the term 276 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: scrying as as opposed to gazing because it evokes something. Yes, 277 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: but it's not unusual. It doesn't happen every time, but 278 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: it's not unusual for visitors. I mean the mirror work 279 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: literally attracts visitors, that attracts spirit helpers, angels, spirit guides, 280 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: That attracts the dead who are coming called in by 281 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: the people who are using the mirrors. For some people, 282 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: it's going to be an intensely private experience that only 283 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: they have. And sometimes these phenomena break out in the 284 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: room and other people, uh, multiple people will experienced them. 285 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: We've had footsteps, We've had the sounds of drumming, chanting 286 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: Gregorian chant. We've had people feeling like they were touched 287 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: or hugged on their shoulders. They're convinced it's me walking 288 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: around the room if they have their eyes closed, and 289 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: I don't walk around the room when people are in 290 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: the mirror. So it can be a quite a phenomenal experiences. Mary, 291 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: if you wouldn't mind just walk us through a little 292 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: bit like what it would look like, and then maybe 293 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 1: if you could give us some stories of just some 294 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: of the things that have happened, so maybe people got 295 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: reconnected or or something. Could you do that? Sure. At 296 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: the beginning, I talk just a little bit about what 297 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: a black mirror is, what its history is as a 298 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: dark scrying surface, why it's so powerful. I have a 299 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: conditioning session where I have people hold the mirror and 300 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: give them techniques for energizing mere. First, we clear the 301 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: surface of the mirror, even though I've already cleared and 302 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: energized the mirrors. In general, I think it's important for 303 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: people to put their own energy into the mirror. And 304 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: so we go through some exercises where we clear the 305 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: surface of the mirror using energy from our hands and 306 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: channeling it from the divine source of all being, and 307 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: we energize the mirror. And then I have them practice 308 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: looking into the mirror and evoking things uh. And I 309 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,239 Speaker 1: give them instructions for for doing specifics to think of 310 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: something in their mind and then look into the mirror 311 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: and experience it in the mirror. Now, experience that an 312 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: individual person has is going to vary person by person. 313 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: And for some people, all the action is going to 314 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: be in the mirror. They are able to see things 315 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: in the mirror, they might hear sounds, they might feel 316 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: presences around them, but the mirror seems to be the 317 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: source of all of that. For other bowl, it's all 318 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: going to be in their heads. There's something about the 319 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: mirror that turns the switch on psychically, and then all 320 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: the action takes place on the inner screen. And for 321 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: other people, it's going to be a bounce between the two. 322 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: The two will work in conjunction with each other, so 323 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: people need to be prepared for what to expect. I 324 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: don't try to tell people what they're going to see, 325 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: but that these are ways that you're going to experience things, 326 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: so pay attention to everything, and then I have a 327 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: guided meditation to relax people. And we treat the mirror 328 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: as a doorway, a doorway to a bridge between the 329 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: afterlife and the world of the living, and so I 330 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: take people into this bridge and then once once they 331 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: are in the mirror, so to speak, the journey becomes 332 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: their private journey. And that last for anywhere from twenty 333 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: to thirty minutes. People get fatigued, the psychic I gets fatigued, 334 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: especially if people haven't worked it much. I just kind 335 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: of gauge the energy in the room as time goes by, 336 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: and then I bring people back out of the mirror, 337 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: recenter them in the body, and invite discussion. It's really 338 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: wonderful when people feel comfortable about speaking up. The customary 339 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: reaction of like, well this happened to me, But if 340 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: I talk about everybody's going to think I'm crazy. That's right, 341 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: it's an automatic reaction. But if they do, there are 342 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: probably other people in the room who have had similar experiences, 343 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: so it's and then they pipe up. So it's very validating. 344 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: For some people. The experience is very intense and involves 345 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: multiple sensory phenomena. People do not automatically contact the person 346 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: they set out to contact, and Dr Moody discusses this 347 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: in reunions as well, that for example, we can set 348 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: an intention. Let's say we we want to see our 349 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: deceased father, uh, and we can set an intention to 350 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: see Dad. But maybe it's someone else who comes forwards. Uh, 351 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: And it's purposeful that there's something else that we need 352 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: to deal with or a message needs to be given. 353 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: The wonderful thing about the mirror experience is that it 354 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: has what I call an afterglow. It often opens the 355 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: doorway to meaningful dreams, sometimes encounter dreams, to inspirations, waking visions, 356 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: and other experiences that start to flesh things out. No 357 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: matter what happens in the mirror, it's meaningful. So I've 358 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: had people describe For example, I I can think of 359 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: one gentleman who contacted an uncle who had died in 360 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: World War two, and Uh. He could see this man's 361 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: face and considerable detail they carried on a men conversation. 362 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: He could hear other sounds related to World War two 363 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: in the environment, He felt physical presence of his uncle 364 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: in the room, as though he were standing there. It 365 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: was an intense emotional experience for him. We're going to 366 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: take a moment here just to talk before we go 367 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: to the break. I feel really moved that I get 368 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: to share this conversation with you with Rosemary's words. You 369 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: can find her book called The Art of Black Mirror 370 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: Scrying on Amazon wherever you buy books. Her name is 371 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: Rosemary Ellen Guiley, last name spelled g U I L 372 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: e Y. And if you're an Amazon shopper, I'm also looking. 373 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: And there's a bunch of black obsidian scrying mirror and 374 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: they arrange in all kinds of prices. But I think 375 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: you may enjoy reading her words as well as listening 376 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: to them now and perhaps looking into developing this way 377 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: of communication. There are different ways to communicate, and like 378 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: I say, on many times, when we get into the 379 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: present moment, that is the access way in. And I 380 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: can't help but believe that black mirrors crying is one 381 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: of those entryways. So let's take our next break, and 382 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: when we come back, we'll see what else Rosemary has 383 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: to say. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 384 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m 385 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 386 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain and we are listening to stories from 387 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: Rosemary Ellen Guilely of things that have happened using black 388 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: mirror scrying. Let's continue the one experience where we had 389 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: the sound of drumming in the room. Uh. This was 390 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: in a big conference and it was like a convention center, 391 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: and we were in one of the meeting rooms and 392 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: I had everybody sit up front in the room. This 393 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: was a long, rectangular room. I had everybody sit up 394 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: front and all the light I mentioned this for a reason. 395 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: All the lights switches to the room were way in 396 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: the back by the door. So I had just gotten 397 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: people started on their personal journey into the mirror, and 398 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: we had the lights dimmed, and all of a sudden, 399 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: the lights came on full force, as though someone had 400 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: flipped all the switches. And uh, so I just told 401 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: every everybody you know, just you know, hold the energy, 402 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: continue your journey. Uh. And I went to the back 403 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: of the room and I redimmed the lights and I 404 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: came back up to my chin air in the front 405 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: of the room. And what I tried to do during 406 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: the personal journey is hold space. You know that I'm 407 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: in a meditative state too, uh, and I play um. 408 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: I like to play four thirty two Hurts music in 409 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: the background, which is very conducive to good meditative states. 410 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: I became aware of this very faint drumming sound, and 411 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: it seemed to emanate from one corner of the room, 412 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: and it got louder and louder. Now I didn't say anything, 413 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: because you don't want to break people's concentrations, but it 414 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: sounded like someone was sitting in the corner of the 415 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: room doing Native American drumming. At the end of the 416 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: session where we're talking, I mentioned that I had heard 417 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: this drumming. I said, did anyone else here that? And 418 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: quite a few of the people in the class did well. 419 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: There was a Native American woman sitting up front near 420 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: that corner, and she piped up and said that the 421 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: purpose of her journey in the mirror was to reconnect 422 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: with her shaman, her teacher who had passed on, and 423 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: we all felt that the drumming was part of that experience. 424 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: It was clearly Native American, and she was the only 425 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: Native American person in the room, and she had done 426 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: this kind of shamanic journey into the mirror. We've had 427 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: visual apparitions of gods and angels, goddesses stand in the room. 428 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: People have seen them. We've had angelic presences on quite 429 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: a few occasions where people often close their eyes. Uh, 430 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: they opened their eyes and look into the mirror and 431 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: then close their eyes and go within. And people have 432 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: often seen these pillars of light manifest in the room, 433 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: which they feel our angels and um and I feel 434 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: that the angelic presence is with us too. We set 435 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: a sacred circle before we start. We invoked the presence 436 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: of benevolent beings and guides and helpers to be within 437 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: that sacred circle, and they do come. Now, some people 438 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: don't seem to have much of an experience, so they 439 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: think they don't. They look into the mirror, they have 440 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: a hard time focusing. Their mind wanders and they look 441 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: into the mirror and maybe they just see things like 442 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: shots of light going across the mirror, or the mirror 443 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: gets kind of cloudy or milky, but nothing else happens. 444 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: And that's still a significant experience because when you can 445 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: see shifts like that in the mirror, it's the opening 446 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: of the astral plane. So it's like getting your toe 447 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: in the water. What I tell people is that, well, 448 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: you probably had more of an experience than you realize 449 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: if you think back over some of the things that 450 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: maybe came into your mental screen and thoughts during that process. 451 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: But you got the door open. And so tonight when 452 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: you go to ask for more information, ask for something 453 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: else to be shown to you. And many people find 454 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: that they do have what I call this afterglow. Something 455 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: else occurs, and it was the mirror really that opened 456 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: the doorway for it. I would think, Rosemary, that it's 457 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: like building a muscle too, once you realize that this 458 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: is real, you know, we just can't become a bodybuilder overnight. 459 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: We have to practice, you know. And I get this 460 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: instinct especially you know, I've doubled in different things as well, 461 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: not nearly as much as you have, but I really 462 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: believe that there's this energetic world that's happening all around 463 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: us and we just can't see it. And a lot 464 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: of people say it's the veil or whatever. But by 465 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: scrying with the black mirror, it just starts opening that 466 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: up and and starts opening that that faculty within us, 467 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: and I can see with more and more practice. You know, 468 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: just the skies the limit. And I'm so excited that 469 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: you're sharing right now because, like I said, this is 470 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: something I didn't even know existed. But what an awesome, 471 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: awesome tool. It is an awesome tool. I consider it 472 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: to be incredibly powerful and it has multiple purposes. I mean, 473 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: not only can you use it as a bridge to 474 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: the afterlife. You can ask for information about your past lives. 475 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: You can look into the future, you can visit the 476 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: akashiak records. Um. Use of the mirror sharpens your psychic 477 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: faculty because you're using your psychic senses while while you're 478 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: employing it. You can work with a partner. You can 479 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: use it in a group. I have paranormal investigators who 480 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: take one of my black mirrors with them on many investigations, 481 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: and most groups have a sensitive or a psychic medium 482 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: that's part of the team, and this person will often 483 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: use the mirror as another tool for getting information. I've 484 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: used it in seyance circles. Last fall, I was at 485 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: the Omni Springs Resort in Bedford, Pennsylvania, a gorgeous facility 486 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: that has a lot of Victorian era residual ghosts in it, 487 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: and so I was participating in a day long seminar 488 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: of ghost investigations lectures, and then one night we did 489 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: a seance. We had a number of tools we were 490 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: working with, but at one point in the science and 491 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: we're all sitting around a very large table, we put 492 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: one of my black mirrors in the middle as a 493 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: focal point and I asked everybody to put their energy 494 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: into the mirror to help the manifestation of whoever needed 495 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: to speak UM. Now, there were two of us who 496 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: were like the principal Um I guess you would say, 497 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: the mediums in that myself and another woman. And then 498 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: there were some participants also that had very good medium 499 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: mystic ability that started speaking up. But we gave our 500 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: impressions as as we got them. We made contact with 501 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: people whose names and personalities and personal histories were verified 502 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: by others present. Messages were given and this was all videotaped, 503 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: and at one point in the in the seance um 504 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: I could literally see kind of like a mist coming 505 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: out of the mirror clairvoyantly. A few others saw it 506 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: as well. This was captured on the camera. Uh, it 507 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: wasn't captured as a missed coming out of the mirror, 508 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: but something unusual going on the mirror surface itself. Uh, 509 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: it was uncanny corroboration of the power of this instrument. 510 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: Rose I want to ask to a lot of the 511 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: people attending that symposium, are people that have lost a 512 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: loved one, even though they not lost, you know, they're 513 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: lost to us in the flesh. Do you notice the 514 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 1: difference from the participants who walk into one of your 515 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: workshops and who they are walking out? Is there more joy? 516 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: Is there a state of wonder? What do you notice? 517 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: Is the difference that these workshops make in people's lives 518 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: overall a positive effect? I mean there there are a 519 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: few people who, you know, they don't feel they've had 520 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,959 Speaker 1: much of an experience, and it's kind of like, well 521 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: that was interesting. Uh, You're always going to get a 522 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 1: few of those. But for the majority, it's a powerful experience. 523 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: And some people come in they believe in the afterlife. 524 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: They're looking for a particular contact, they want validation. The 525 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: mirror gives them validation in the reality of survival um. 526 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: And then other people come that they're not certain if 527 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: there is such a thing. They would like, they would 528 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: hope that there is, but they're not certain, and so 529 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: the your gives them evidence that's very convincing to them. 530 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: It could be very emotional experience, of course, as you 531 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: can imagine tears, people being uh, you know, just kind 532 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: of overcome emotionally. I've never had anyone literally become overcome, 533 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: but I tell people that if the experience gets to 534 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: be too intense, just pull yourself back. Just imagine that 535 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: you're pulling back from the energetic link and center yourself 536 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: in your chair. You're free to get up and go 537 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: out quietly if you feel it's necessary. I've never had 538 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: anyone do that, But at any point, you can pull 539 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: back from the experience because you are in control of it. 540 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: And that's something that beginners especially want to know. You know, 541 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: is this going to be something that's out of my control? 542 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: For me, you've given me a taste of something that 543 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: I didn't even know existed. But years ago, in the 544 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: world of running, uh, no one had ever run a 545 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: four a minute mile. It was just impossible. And then 546 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: lo and behold. I don't know what year it was, 547 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: oh and sometime in the fifties Roger Banister ran the 548 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: first four minute mile, and then after that everybody could 549 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: run a four minute mile. I think There's something about 550 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: learning new things and getting our mind to believe it's possible. 551 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: And once we have that inner belief, suddenly I think 552 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: miracles can occur, you know, strange synchronicities, wonderful synchronicities, um 553 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,959 Speaker 1: opening up to scrying, in having an experience, it's like, Wow, 554 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: what else is possible? So I absolutely love that you're 555 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: doing this and me too. There is one other thing 556 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: I like to address under about the control aspect of it. 557 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: We set a sacred circle to invite only the benevolent 558 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: positive experiences, the loved ones, the spirit guides, the angels, 559 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 1: the spirit masters. We only invite those to be present 560 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: to witness and participate. I've never had anyone say they've 561 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: had a bad experience in the mirror. The worst is 562 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: people feel nothing happens for them in the mirror, very little. 563 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: I think this is a good time to think about 564 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: our break and as I was listening to Rosemary, it's 565 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: been about four years since I talked to her, but 566 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: there are some things that kind of hit me, like, 567 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I believe in this. I don't know 568 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: if that's the case with you. Chances are you've been 569 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: listening to the show for a while, and I've said 570 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: things that you say, Oh, I don't really know about that. 571 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes when things seem too good to be true, they are, 572 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: but other times they're not. What I ask is you 573 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 1: don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. You listen 574 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: to see what tugs on your soul as something you 575 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: want to try, or that you might be interested in, 576 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: or figuring out that the mirror may lead us into 577 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,399 Speaker 1: psychic abilities, things like that. So, like I said, we're 578 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: all adults. Take what fits, use it what doesn't. Throw 579 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: it away. Let's take our break. You're listening to Shades 580 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast 581 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to 582 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we are 583 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: listening to the late Rosemary Ellen Guilie. Although Rosemary has passed, 584 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: her website is still functioning. Her website is Visionary Living 585 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: dot com. Now some of the links don't work, the 586 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: shop isn't opened, and obviously the contact button does not work. 587 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: But there's some things you can still read about her. 588 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 1: Read about her books. There are blog posts on the afterlife, 589 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: on dreams, on psychic skills and spirituality and so much more. 590 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: So you can check it out. As we continue, we'll 591 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 1: see what else she has to say about black mirror scrying. 592 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: This is a very powerful psychic tool, and people need 593 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: to know that I have preached meditation for all of 594 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: my professional life, because I've been a meditator for most 595 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: of my adult life, and that is the best way 596 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: to prepare yourself to limber up those psychic muscles. Uh, 597 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 1: you talked about working muscles. It's like going to the 598 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: psychic gym, even for a few minutes every day, You're 599 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: going to fertilize the field for more effective results no 600 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: matter what tool you use. And by meditation, do you 601 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: mean letting the thoughts go and maybe concentrating on our breath. Yes. 602 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: I've studied various kinds of meditation. I've studied Eastern meditation. 603 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: I got very involved in Zen meditation many years ago, 604 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: and also active Western meditation, And so I think that 605 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: I use a variety of techniques. Sometimes I use meditation 606 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: aation to just clear and center, to try and empty 607 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: as much out as I can, and other times I 608 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: use what would be called Western active meditation, where I 609 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: set an intention for something to use the meditative state 610 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 1: to set an intention, and intention setting needs to be 611 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: at as higher level as as possible. It's it's not 612 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: for material things, it's for spiritual things, and so the 613 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: goal needs to be on, you know, a much higher level. 614 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: So I use a combination of those. And some people 615 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: think that they can't possibly clear their minds. Well, you 616 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: would have to be a very adept meditator to completely 617 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: clear your mind to to get into one of those 618 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: higher states. And Zen recognizes that Zen has many techniques 619 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: for the arising of thoughts, and and Zen thoughts are 620 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: going to arise. That's the way the mind works. And 621 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: when distracting thoughts arise, here's how you let them go. 622 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 1: I go through that. Actually, in the preparation for working 623 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: with the Black Mirror is that we're not going to 624 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: be able to maintain focus every single minute, but there 625 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:22,320 Speaker 1: are ways to refocus, recenter yourself. I'm so excited about 626 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: this personally, and my dad used to have a great expression, 627 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: if in doubt, don't So if you're listening to this 628 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,399 Speaker 1: and it's just not your kind of thing, that's fine. 629 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: But if it is, bring to it the excitement, bring 630 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: to it love, bring to it intention bring to it. 631 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a fabulous experience, 632 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: you know, with the unknown is okay, you know, and 633 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: it may not be something that you get this great 634 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: aha visualization or anything, but the person next to you 635 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: might get that reconnection. It's just I think if we 636 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: bring to it, wonder so many things were possible and 637 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: love absolute a great Rosemary, would you mind if we 638 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: touched on dreams a little bit. Dreams can be all 639 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: over the place, but I've had so many people asked me, 640 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: you know, I had this really vivid dream of my grandmother. 641 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: Does that mean she's there? You know? And yeah, if 642 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: you could just touch on the dream world a little 643 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,919 Speaker 1: and did you write Have you written a book on dreams? Yes? 644 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: I have a book called dream Messages from the Afterlife 645 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,800 Speaker 1: Visits from Dad, okay. And then in terms of the 646 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: Black Mirror, I have the guide book for us called 647 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: The Art of Black Mirror Scrying. Dream Messages from the 648 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: Afterlife talks about makes the case for how the dead 649 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 1: visit us in dreams. Why dreams are one of the 650 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: most common mediums for the manifestation of someone who's passed on, 651 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: and this tradition goes back into ancient times, and uh 652 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: I focus again on the Greeks, um and also the Egyptians, 653 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: and um I focus on Western culture because that our heritage. 654 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: Even though these kinds of dreams exist globally, but since 655 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,959 Speaker 1: ancient times, people have viewed the dream as a way 656 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: to have access to the spirit world, including the dead, 657 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 1: and some of those attitudes have shifted over time. Understandably, 658 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,359 Speaker 1: if the dead are going to be able to visit us, 659 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 1: it's more likely to happen in a dream than any 660 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: other way. People can have waking visitations. Bill and Judy Guggenheim, 661 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,879 Speaker 1: who wrote the bestseller Hello from Heaven, they years ago 662 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: they cataloged twelve ways that the dead are likely to 663 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: make themselves known, and two of them involved dreams. Um 664 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,399 Speaker 1: So there are other ways too that we can experience 665 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: the presence, but the dream is especially powerful because it 666 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: becomes a real experience within the framework of dreaming consciousness. 667 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: People can have physical sensation. They will uh, hug, kiss, 668 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:07,760 Speaker 1: touch the deceased person. Communication is telepathic, it's not verbal. 669 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: They have a sense of physical presence, that they're in 670 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: an environment that is real but not real, if that 671 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: makes any sense. And the dreams have a purpose. It's 672 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: to deliver a message or reassurance. They're usually fairly short 673 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,399 Speaker 1: and in fact quite interestingly. Uh. Sometimes the dead will 674 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: comment I haven't got much time, so here's what I 675 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: have to say, or that it takes a lot of 676 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: energy to get one of these bridges together. So and 677 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't last long, and there seems to be something 678 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: that has to happen on our side as well as 679 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: the other side. Not everybody is going to have one 680 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: of these dreams, no matter how badly you want one. 681 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: They involve circumstances of spiritual frequencies, energy, consciousness conditions on 682 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 1: the other aside that we may not have any inkling 683 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: of It has to be the right combination. And in fact, 684 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 1: I've had examples of people have used proxies because they 685 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: can't get through to the person they would like to 686 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: because of as one dead woman said, because of the 687 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,800 Speaker 1: way he dreams, I can't get through to him, so 688 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: I'm coming to you. Please give him the message. And 689 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 1: I call that proxy dreaming. But most of these dreams 690 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,399 Speaker 1: are for reassurance. The dead want us to know that 691 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: they're still here. You know, they didn't go into oblivion. 692 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: They are still who they were who they are, there 693 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,959 Speaker 1: is an afterlife, they're well, and they will often say 694 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: things like, please don't worry about me, Please don't grieve. 695 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: We're going to grieve anyway, that's just part of the 696 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,399 Speaker 1: human process. But they want to reassure us that they 697 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: are not lost to us. Thank you. Now, there's some 698 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: questions I should be asking you that I haven't And 699 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: I'd love to know more about your website. And I 700 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: know you have a newsletter that you do and to 701 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: brag about yourself for a couple of minutes. Well, my 702 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 1: personal website is Visionary Living dot com. I have a 703 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 1: blog and articles that I've posted. I also have another website, 704 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: and from Visionary Living, you can also jump to that 705 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: website or go straight there to my publishing website, Visionary 706 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 1: Living Publishing dot com. And that includes all of the 707 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: books that my company has published. It's got descriptions of 708 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: the books, the authors, and also hot links for if 709 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: you want to get copies. I'm so excited that we 710 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: spoke today. Well, I I appreciate the opportunity, especially to 711 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:55,800 Speaker 1: acquaint people with something like the black Mirror process. And 712 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the Afterlife conference in September and 713 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 1: scott Sdale. I've presented there twice before. It's an absolutely 714 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 1: fabulous event. Oh, Rosemary, thank you so much for being 715 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 1: our guest today. Sandra, thank you for this opportunity to 716 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,720 Speaker 1: have a wonderful discussion with you, and certainly look forward 717 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: to seeing you in Scottsdale in September. A little confession here. 718 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 1: I edited out the part where we went into great 719 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 1: detail about the conference because it's already happened, and the 720 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 1: truth is, because of COVID, it's put a bit of 721 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 1: a stop to so many conferences and things going on. 722 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: I am carrying the torch forward for some big afterlife 723 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,800 Speaker 1: conventions coming up. No dates planned. I need to wait 724 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 1: until we all feel that it's comfortable to travel again, 725 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 1: that we can be in close proximity in one conference 726 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,799 Speaker 1: room together and make sure that everybody feels safe but 727 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: rest assured. On the horizon will be a big group 728 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: of people talking all things afterlife, with some great medium 729 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:13,400 Speaker 1: demonstrations and great workshops, lots of fun and so much more. 730 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,760 Speaker 1: It's really in my heart to unite people that speak 731 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 1: the same language, the language of being in the inquiry 732 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,319 Speaker 1: of the afterlife. You would think that I would have 733 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: close friends and family members that I can share this with, 734 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: but I don't. I live with my mom and bless her, 735 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,399 Speaker 1: she lets me tell my stories. But the eyebrow goes 736 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 1: up like could this all be your imagination? And of 737 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: course I've asked myself the very same thing. That's what 738 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: it is to be human. But if we can meet, 739 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 1: whether it's online one of our courses, or Sunday gathering 740 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,279 Speaker 1: or our Facebook group, it helps to have friends that 741 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,800 Speaker 1: speak the same language. When times get tough, there's someone 742 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 1: to talk to, someone to lift you out of it, 743 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: someone to help remind you of the bigger picture and 744 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 1: that you're this powerful soul having the human experience. And 745 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: there are times when things are tough that you can 746 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,600 Speaker 1: ask yourself, what is my soul learning right now? What 747 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,439 Speaker 1: new experience? What am I learning that I'll be able 748 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 1: to share and help someone else in the future. We 749 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 1: came to this earth to learn, to grow, to experience, 750 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: and like the oyster that gets a little bit of 751 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: grit or sand in it, it develops into a pearl. 752 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: Our life is about circumstances that are not comfortable and 753 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,800 Speaker 1: people that can really be that irritant in our oyster, 754 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: but they can groom us into being the most perfect pearl. 755 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 1: So don't be so hard on yourself. Life is tough, 756 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,239 Speaker 1: but we're in this together and you are surrounded by 757 00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,080 Speaker 1: love from the other side. I want to remind do 758 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 1: that our home base is we Don't Die dot Com. 759 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: Up at the top. You can join our Facebook group. 760 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: You can join our next free Sunday gathering with a 761 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 1: medium demonstration within each and everyone. We have online classes. 762 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,879 Speaker 1: You can watch them by doing the replays and get 763 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: in touch with your psychic self, mediumship, and so much 764 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: more so with that, I'm Sandras Champlain and I want 765 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 1: to thank you for listening to Shades of the Afterlife 766 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a 767 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:39,759 Speaker 1: m paranormal podcast network. And if you like this episode 768 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 1: of Shades of the Afterlife, wait until you hear the 769 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,680 Speaker 1: next one. Thank you for listening to the I Heart 770 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,000 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network.