WEBVTT - The Karol Markowicz Show: Inside Israel's Elite: Guy M. on October 7, Combat Trauma & Lessons from War

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marco Show on iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest today is Guy M.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy is the semi anonymous author of The Rescue October

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<v Speaker 1>seventh Through the Eyes of Israel's Power Rescue Commandos.

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<v Speaker 2>So nice to have you on, Guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having me Carol on your amazing show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved your book. I really found it so amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a lot of the time, I think, especially Jews,

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<v Speaker 1>like we tell and retell the stories. And I even

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I got to where my kids, my teenager

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<v Speaker 1>who reads a lot, would be like, no more Holocaust books.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's important to retell the stories so that people

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<v Speaker 1>know what really happened. And I feel like that was

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<v Speaker 1>the point for you in writing this.

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<v Speaker 2>Book, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So originally it's kind of hard to really point out

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<v Speaker 3>what was the purpose of writing the book, because we

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<v Speaker 3>were in the middle of war, literally rescuing casualties from

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<v Speaker 3>Aza from Lebanon after and in this mid war situation,

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<v Speaker 3>and me and the guys that were together on October

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<v Speaker 3>seventh on the first team to leave six six nine,

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<v Speaker 3>which is Israel's special Forces rescue unit, we found ourselves

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<v Speaker 3>on that day in the two or three days afterwards

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<v Speaker 3>in the communities, we were witnessing the most horrible scenes

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<v Speaker 3>no one could even imagine. And then no closure, nothing

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<v Speaker 3>like ceremony that kinds of wraps it up. One day

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<v Speaker 3>we're just at base preparing for war, and then we're

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<v Speaker 3>in war doing our jobs. I'm a paramedic, I was

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<v Speaker 3>trained for three years to do this job. I'm in

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<v Speaker 3>med school now. I haven't been on duty, like actual

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<v Speaker 3>war duty since by mandatory service back then from twenty

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<v Speaker 3>thirteen to twenty eighteen, and there was no closure. And

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<v Speaker 3>this is also the experience of so many soldiers talking

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<v Speaker 3>to maybe thousands, because it's not like the whole Israeli

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<v Speaker 3>army was there on October seventh, but for thousands of

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<v Speaker 3>us that were there, we just continued into this full

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<v Speaker 3>blown war. And you're absolutely right. There are so many

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<v Speaker 3>events happening right after each other, and it's we're living

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<v Speaker 3>in times that it's even hard to grasp the magnitude

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<v Speaker 3>of each event as itself. Remember, we're so shocked when

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<v Speaker 3>the deeper operation that was our board as a rescue

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<v Speaker 3>unit for the beginning of the war, of eliminating the

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<v Speaker 3>threat from Lebanon from up North, and then we're still

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<v Speaker 3>kind of trying to grasp that magnitude. And then we're

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<v Speaker 3>at this point after one of the most brilliant operations

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<v Speaker 3>I guess in modern war. The how President Trump call

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<v Speaker 3>it was they war with Iran. So for us, it's

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<v Speaker 3>even hard to point out what was the purpose, But

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<v Speaker 3>if I tried to kind of put it into an essence,

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<v Speaker 3>we needed to put a closure to that event. So

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<v Speaker 3>we started writing it and it was amazing for me

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<v Speaker 3>to see what the guys, with the soldiers that were

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<v Speaker 3>worth me bolks from the things that we saw, from

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<v Speaker 3>the gunshots with the terrorists, with treating casualties, mass casualty,

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<v Speaker 3>incident horrors, the bodies and chunks of the timeline were missing,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was putting it together was as itself an amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>amazing act for me to witness this, and it broughtmotion

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<v Speaker 3>to the guys because for soldiers, rescue soldiers in general,

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<v Speaker 3>for soldiers, we understand mission, we know missions, so when

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<v Speaker 3>we need to do a mission, we know what to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Emotions not really, that's part part of the equation is harder.

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<v Speaker 3>If you ask a twenty one and wear a rescue

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<v Speaker 3>soldier from six sixth night to jump out of the

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<v Speaker 3>helicopter in the middle of the ocean. Doesn't even know

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<v Speaker 3>it's waiting. While he's jumping into the water, you won't

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<v Speaker 3>even blink. If you can ask him to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>how is he feeling, then you're going to see this

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<v Speaker 3>torturous face on him. So even Dad for itself, to

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<v Speaker 3>see the guys bringing it together, it was amazing. And

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<v Speaker 3>until today, you know, I'm not a psychologist, but they

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<v Speaker 3>think it's so clear. Why until today there's more than

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<v Speaker 3>we're not even two years from Actober seventh. There's more

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<v Speaker 3>than one hundred books in Hebrew about October seventh, one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and many maybe in English or not many, but

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<v Speaker 3>there will be. And still this is the rescue, and

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<v Speaker 3>how it's called in Hebrew, it's called I'll say it

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<v Speaker 3>in Hebrew, not waiting for call. So it's the only

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<v Speaker 3>book written by soldiers who actually fought there and not

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<v Speaker 3>by journalists or testimonies are victims.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such an interesting point.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think people realize how much how little firsthand

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<v Speaker 1>account is in the books.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a lot of people will.

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<v Speaker 1>Have takes we as we say, and they'll have perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>but your story is actually the one from the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>What do people not know about that day that they'll

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<v Speaker 1>learn in your book.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that we did want to emphasize,

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<v Speaker 3>not intentionally, but as we were talking and the guys

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<v Speaker 3>were describing, is, for one, how little we knew. If

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<v Speaker 3>I will tell you today Carol, that tomorrow there's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be aliens land in Washington and President Trump talking

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<v Speaker 3>to him about I don't know, life in another universe.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna look at me like I smoked something or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I might believe you after.

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<v Speaker 3>This, Okay, So I'm gonna try to think about it's

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<v Speaker 3>something more bizarre, man, Okay, And this is from I

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<v Speaker 3>guess that's what we're talking about. Most people they were like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>most likely that's not going to happen, right. We couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>imagine in our worst nightmares what happened on October seventh.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so so far fetched. When we're going down

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<v Speaker 3>and we're driving down south on October seventh morning in

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<v Speaker 3>a pickup truck, we thought to ourselves, what we could imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a group of terrorists dozen twenty that infiltrated through

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<v Speaker 3>a tunnel to Israeli grounds and that they're holding hostages

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<v Speaker 3>in one of the communities. We couldn't imagine three thousand

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<v Speaker 3>people looking to butcher Israelis. It's not in our capability

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<v Speaker 3>today looking back, as Israel's society is very critical of

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<v Speaker 3>course on the army and intelligence in the government, as soldiers,

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<v Speaker 3>as the ones and I'm civilian. It is not my

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<v Speaker 3>daily job. And this is also some sort of thing

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<v Speaker 3>that is very hard to explain. We had no clue

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<v Speaker 3>and we tried, you know, to emphasize that in the book.

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<v Speaker 3>Through the story itself, we were just a group of

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<v Speaker 3>guys going down, trying to do our best in the

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<v Speaker 3>circumstances that are just just unreasonable to judge and also,

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<v Speaker 3>if I may say, also are We didn't want it

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<v Speaker 3>to be a testimony. We wanted the reader to get

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<v Speaker 3>caught in the web of the book, not because he

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<v Speaker 3>wants to know about October seventh, but rather he's reading

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<v Speaker 3>a thriller that he has to know how it ends.

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<v Speaker 3>You want caught inside the web of the book. That

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<v Speaker 3>was very important for us, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like that like where you you know you're

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<v Speaker 1>worrying about the protagonist, even though I know you know

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<v Speaker 1>you live to write the book. But you were an

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<v Speaker 1>active danger more than one time on that day.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you remember about it?

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<v Speaker 3>I think when I look back, and even for me,

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<v Speaker 3>it's so hard to even imagine that it actually happened.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember that this is a mechanism that everyone,

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<v Speaker 3>we all use it, but rescue soldiers in our mission,

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<v Speaker 3>we always do that. We kind of downgrade the situation

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<v Speaker 3>to gain back control, because if you're gonna actually try

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<v Speaker 3>to grasp that you're in this situation, that your life

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<v Speaker 3>is in danger, you're trying to rescue someone that won't survive,

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<v Speaker 3>and the whole gratitude of responsibility is just so hard

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<v Speaker 3>to function. So we always do this degradation. And if

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<v Speaker 3>to give an example, what guys after the pipeline, after

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<v Speaker 3>they finished what year and a half training at the unit,

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<v Speaker 3>the first rescue missions, when they go back and report

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<v Speaker 3>and do the briefing, they say like they felt in

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<v Speaker 3>a drill in the pipeline. They thought the casualty there

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<v Speaker 3>was actually injured soldier or civilian or even a minitarian mission.

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<v Speaker 3>And still they say, we felt like we're in the

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<v Speaker 3>simulator at the unit, treating a mannequin like a doll,

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<v Speaker 3>like that's the feeling. So we're always doing this degradation.

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<v Speaker 3>So I remember him driving down south on October seventh

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<v Speaker 3>and Noga back then my fiance and now I won't

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<v Speaker 3>tell the end of the story, and she's texting me, guy,

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<v Speaker 3>this is serious, be careful, and they're like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>she's always too serious. She always takes stuff too serious.

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<v Speaker 3>She's you know, he's a lawyer. Of course he has

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<v Speaker 3>to be serious. I couldn't. It was just decordating until

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<v Speaker 3>at some point, you know, we're driving down and someone

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<v Speaker 3>there's open fire from from so many directions, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>trying to what the heck is going on, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>It hits you, this is real.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not even real. It's just the beginning. And when

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<v Speaker 3>we think, okay, we got to the most chaotic scene

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<v Speaker 3>when we reached the Nova Festival and then we're sent

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<v Speaker 3>to liberate a commute. Liberate it's like that's the word.

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<v Speaker 3>It's under the control of an organization, terrorist organization, and

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<v Speaker 3>we're trying to liberate it. These are terms that we've

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<v Speaker 3>never we've never experienced, ever talked in the rescue unit.

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<v Speaker 3>We're always preparing for the worst. We're always training ourself

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<v Speaker 3>to the worst scenario. Try to imagine the most worst

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<v Speaker 3>scenario that could happen on this special operation or on

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<v Speaker 3>this rescuation. That's why we're prepared. This was never, never,

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<v Speaker 3>nothing we prepared for was even close to what we

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<v Speaker 3>saw in witness or experienced there.

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<v Speaker 1>When you get to the kibbutz to liberate it, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you see?

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<v Speaker 3>First thing that comes to my mind is how I

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<v Speaker 3>feel because I grew up in a kibbutz and in

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<v Speaker 3>a community in northern Israel, a rural community, and I

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<v Speaker 3>feel it suddenly, I feel like I'm back home at

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<v Speaker 3>the community where I grew up. It feels. And this

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<v Speaker 3>is the second that I kind of give that emotion

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<v Speaker 3>a place and it freaks me out. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 3>looks like the houses of my neighbors and that no,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not there. You're in a mission and they need

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<v Speaker 3>to go back into the zone to gain that control.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the second thing I remember I see is

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<v Speaker 3>there's so many bodies everywhere, mostly of terrorists. Emergency team

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<v Speaker 3>which Kibuzz responder was there. That was the first keyboats

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<v Speaker 3>we arrived, our squad or the three of us that

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<v Speaker 3>were sent down south that day. First Keyboots. We arriveds

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<v Speaker 3>and the guys there, the team, the first responders of

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<v Speaker 3>the keyboats, guys for the Kibootz families. Not only guys,

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<v Speaker 3>so girls, women that have rifles and our first responder

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<v Speaker 3>was there for an event like this. They gave a

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<v Speaker 3>hell of a fight. They were ten maybe fifteen call

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<v Speaker 3>by surprise, and there were dozens of terrorists storming well equipped.

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<v Speaker 3>I see bodies of terrorists on the floor with immunition,

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<v Speaker 3>like they're going to conquer the whole country, with food,

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<v Speaker 3>with medicine, everything. And they gave a hell of a fight.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the first thing that I saw, and it kind

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<v Speaker 3>of gave me a boost of confidence to see that happening.

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<v Speaker 3>And then of course we were caught into a gun

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<v Speaker 3>fight as terrorists open fired at us.

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<v Speaker 2>What was that like?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>What did you what do you think in that moment?

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're there to liberate the Kibbutz and you're under fire.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you are you feeling like this is

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<v Speaker 1>it for me? Or do you have the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>training where you're like, oh no, I'm going to walk

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<v Speaker 1>out of here.

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<v Speaker 3>This in some sort of a point of view, is

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<v Speaker 3>the essence of being a soldier. If it's it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>matter even where. At some point you cannot think it's

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<v Speaker 3>only about function. You do not think, because if you

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<v Speaker 3>think there's nothing nothing logical about that situation, you gotta

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<v Speaker 3>be functional. And for me, when I hear gunshots, when

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<v Speaker 3>I see a situation that there are casualties, I'm all

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<v Speaker 3>may whole one hundred percent of my body. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just one example of many combat paramedics in the army

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<v Speaker 3>and very few or many rescue soldiers at the unit.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all about where is a person who needs my help?

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<v Speaker 3>Because there's always going to be that scream I need

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<v Speaker 3>a paramedic. There's always going to be that scream of

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<v Speaker 3>someone that is shot, and you're always your senses are

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<v Speaker 3>just looking for that because that's your cart. That's where

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<v Speaker 3>you get into action. So this is what you feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, you look around if there's a threat, so

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<v Speaker 3>you're with your rifle. That's the first thing you do.

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<v Speaker 3>And dan you're alert to listen to where someone Where

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<v Speaker 3>is that person that is screaming? And I need to

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<v Speaker 3>do whatever it takes to get to him. So those

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<v Speaker 3>are the animal instincts that are brought up in years

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<v Speaker 3>of training and into active duty, and it's just an instinct.

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<v Speaker 3>I was honestly, honestly, honestly, it was of course never

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<v Speaker 3>imagined I'll be in a situation like that, But how

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<v Speaker 3>it kicks in those.

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<v Speaker 2>Instance, it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So when somebody reads the Rescue, what's the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>you want them to take away from it?

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<v Speaker 3>I want them to understand and try to understand Fudhism,

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<v Speaker 3>not through what the figures are saying, because we vote

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<v Speaker 3>it from where a bunch of guys are sat together

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<v Speaker 3>and revote it from the different angles. One of the

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<v Speaker 3>stories that unfolds is of Ron that he wakes up

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<v Speaker 3>at ky Boots with Tomorrow and they find themselves fighting

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<v Speaker 3>over their homes. Their parents are in, their sister and

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<v Speaker 3>their whole family and this is this is it. If

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<v Speaker 3>they don't fight, everybody's slaughtered. They understand it at some point,

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<v Speaker 3>not at the beginning. And when there's Matan is on

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<v Speaker 3>a helicopter on a way to a rescue mission and

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't know what's what he's going to find, and

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<v Speaker 3>it hits him only after he lands at the hospital

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<v Speaker 3>and he sees what's going on television. And for us,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm texting Nooga, Yes, the writ my helmet

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<v Speaker 3>on and I'm like sitting there, you know what the heck?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what's the big deal? We didn't know. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the first thing, and second of all for soldiers, And

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<v Speaker 3>this is a very it's not a it's not a

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<v Speaker 3>unique perspective as it's not as it's only for us.

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<v Speaker 3>This is for thousands of soldiers that went down. We

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<v Speaker 3>tried our best, we tried, we had no clue, and

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<v Speaker 3>many of us didn't make it back. And history, as

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<v Speaker 3>it remembers those days, it's going to remember it in

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<v Speaker 3>a critical point of view. It's going to judge all

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<v Speaker 3>those who had responsibility that things like this don't happen.

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<v Speaker 3>But we want history also to remember what those circumstances

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<v Speaker 3>were as we tried our best to do whatever we

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<v Speaker 3>can and the toll was so high. So those are

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<v Speaker 3>the main messages that we tried to convey through the stories,

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<v Speaker 3>not by saying it, but through the feelings, through the

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<v Speaker 3>guts of the reader. And also also also and even

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the most important, we insisted on finishing the book

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<v Speaker 3>with you know or optimistic, if they might say, that

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<v Speaker 3>was crucial for us as we were working on the book.

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<v Speaker 2>So you are optimistic, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, definitely. Now if they might say, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good time right now, it's a good recording.

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<v Speaker 1>This shortly after the Iran operation and the ceasefire between

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<v Speaker 1>Iran and Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>We managed, as me it was sorry, not we as

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<v Speaker 3>a unit, we as a nation, as people on a

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<v Speaker 3>multi front ward we're talking. I think it was eight fronts,

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<v Speaker 3>including anti Semitism. Waring Rorying got sorry from my accent.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a multi front of war. And in our

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<v Speaker 3>best scenarios, the most optimistic scenarios, we haven't. We never

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<v Speaker 3>imagined what we managed to do in northern Israelila. We

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<v Speaker 3>were training for years for the day we start a

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<v Speaker 3>war with them, and we were training for the consequences

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<v Speaker 3>to be huge. Thousands of Israelis will be killed. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>going to be embassy is blowing up. In what we did,

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<v Speaker 3>when we managed to do together with America and Iran,

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<v Speaker 3>it's beyond the biggest, most optimistic scenarios. And here we are.

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<v Speaker 3>So why won't the future be as well?

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<v Speaker 2>I like that, Yeah, what do you worry about?

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<v Speaker 3>I worry that at some point I'm going to look

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<v Speaker 3>back and I'm gonna regret things they haven't done. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not a good thing to be worried about because sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>it drives are crazy in the good essence, it just

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<v Speaker 3>makes you sometimes like you're jumping into a pool and

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<v Speaker 3>it's you know it's going to be cold inside, and

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<v Speaker 3>then you're kind of procrastinating. You're just never mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe it's not a good day. So it helps you

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<v Speaker 3>not to dip a toe, but to just jump and

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<v Speaker 3>just say, what the heck is gonna be freezing, but

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<v Speaker 3>what the heck.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because you seem like you've done quite a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't seem like you've missed out on that much.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope, I hope not. Maybe that is the drive.

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<v Speaker 3>So at the end of the day, I guess it

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<v Speaker 3>helps accomplish more in less time because they're always afraid

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to end soon. And this also, I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>is all maybe part of a burden, that this the

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<v Speaker 3>toll of being a rescue soldier or being with this

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<v Speaker 3>responsibility from a young age from nineteen years old. It's

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<v Speaker 3>maybe it's even an attitude, but I think that that

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<v Speaker 3>is one of the things I kind of contemplate a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm not going to do it? Am I going

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<v Speaker 3>to look back and regret not doing it?

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<v Speaker 1>So if yes, yeah, you just have to push my Well,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of looking back and maybe having any regrets, what

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<v Speaker 1>would you tell your sixteen year old self?

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<v Speaker 2>What is sixteen year old guy I need to know?

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<v Speaker 3>Would tell guy sixteen years old in Israel? I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's a not seniors even right, It's like freshman, what

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<v Speaker 3>is it? It's a sophomore. So I would tell them

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<v Speaker 3>everybody is struggling. I remember myself as a teenager. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have the confidence. I had a lot. I was

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<v Speaker 3>showing off with a lot of confidence, but inside I

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<v Speaker 3>was terrified of my own shade. And he felt like

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<v Speaker 3>everybody around me it's full of confidence. And they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, everybody's a peacock and I'm the only one

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<v Speaker 3>that is an impostor. And I will go back and say,

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<v Speaker 3>look at them, they're all phonies. They're all like you're

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<v Speaker 3>just you're just too young to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixteen is pretty young to have imposter syndrome.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's something that develops when you get

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<v Speaker 1>older and you think that you know, you're the only

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<v Speaker 1>one feeling like you can't do stuff, and everybody else

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be, you know, powering up ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that what changes to the imposter her syndrome

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<v Speaker 3>that we have as we become grown ups. Once someone

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<v Speaker 3>told me that the difference between child or a teenager

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<v Speaker 3>to a grown up is when you become cynical about things.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it's that tipping point is when you

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<v Speaker 3>you become an impostor of not who you think you are,

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<v Speaker 3>but who others think you are. Because when you when

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<v Speaker 3>you're sixteen, you're kind of this, You're like a gush

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<v Speaker 3>of paintings that don't have like any color, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you evolvest a good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not sure that your colors are bright. You're like,

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<v Speaker 3>well everybody thinks the callors are bright, but they're not.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that point of cynical to become of

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen seventeen and becoming eighteen and they're like everything likes

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<v Speaker 3>like a party. We need to kind of see that

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<v Speaker 3>moment and say, everybody is struggling.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a quick break and be right

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<v Speaker 1>back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Well, I've enjoyed this

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<v Speaker 1>conversation so much. I really think you're such an interesting person.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you write more books. I hope that we

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<v Speaker 1>get to see more of your ideas and your writing,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe outside of terrible events in our you know, shared history.

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<v Speaker 1>But leave us here with your best tip for my

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<v Speaker 1>listeners on how they can improve their lives.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was in ninth grade, I joined my father.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a karate club in the rural, tiny community

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<v Speaker 3>that we lived in, and he gave me this responsibility

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<v Speaker 3>to be the main instructor. I was very young and

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<v Speaker 3>there were four groups twice a week, and I hated it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was I was like, I didn't hate the karate

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<v Speaker 3>garden is great. I liked it and even paid me

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<v Speaker 3>some penn you know, a few pennies. That was like makeshop.

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<v Speaker 3>But the responsibility, because I was terrified, what if no

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<v Speaker 3>one shows up? You know, maybe they hate me, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>they think the best the worst instructor ever. And the

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<v Speaker 3>responsibility from week to week it was I was struggling

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<v Speaker 3>with it. It was even so sometimes I was afraid. And

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<v Speaker 3>then at some point I was talking about evolving. I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of got used to the to this feeling that

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<v Speaker 3>there's no one else, Like if I don't do good enough,

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<v Speaker 3>no one can help me, like no one's going to

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<v Speaker 3>show up for the next lesson, And then it evolved

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<v Speaker 3>those those feelings into the army and becoming a rescue soldier,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was like a synergy because that's the whole essence.

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<v Speaker 3>You're the lot last call when everybody failed, like all

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<v Speaker 3>the civilian ems, police, everybody tried, so if they tried

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<v Speaker 3>and failed, they call you. And then if you failed,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no one else to call. So I think at

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<v Speaker 3>some point when when we all struggle with it, when

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<v Speaker 3>we kind of well, if this goes wrong, when I'm

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<v Speaker 3>who am I going to blame? What am I going

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<v Speaker 3>to call it? But once you get used to that

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<v Speaker 3>feeling and you kind of get not comfortable but less

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<v Speaker 3>terrified of it, you can kind of find out that

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<v Speaker 3>you're capable of so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that be the last line of defense. That's

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<v Speaker 1>really it's a great piece of advice. The book is

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<v Speaker 1>called The Rescue October seventh, Through the Eyes of Israel's

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<v Speaker 1>Para rescue Commandos. Get it on Amazon or anywhere you

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<v Speaker 1>buy books. Thank you so much for coming on guy.

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<v Speaker 3>You cal