1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: It's been a while since since you've seen a good. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: Old fashion doing drugs video, so we saw brand. 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 3: That video was recorded at Sarah Warren's apartment. It shows Sarah, 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 3: a twenty one year old, doing meth and other drugs 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 3: with a much older man. Considering what he's into. You 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 3: might be surprised to learn what this man does for 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: a living. He's the dean of the medical school at USC. 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 3: You Christian. For months, I've been fighting to get into 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: the paper my story about the dean of the USC 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 3: Medical School, Carmen Puliafido. Then I get my hands on 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 3: some of the videos he and Sarah Warren had been making. 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: They come from a source I didn't expect. My name 13 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 3: is Paul Pringle. I'm an investigative reporter for the La Times, 14 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 3: and this is Fallen Angels, Episode five, The Warren Family. 15 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 3: I first went to see the Warrens in March of 16 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. Matt Hamilton, another Times reporter, came with me 17 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: to their house in Orange County. Matt's part of the 18 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: secret reporting team I'd put together with my editor. But 19 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 3: when we get to their place in Huntington Beach, the 20 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 3: only person home is Sarah's teenage brother, Charles. We ask 21 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: about Puviafido and his sister, and the kid pulls up 22 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 3: his shirt sleeve to show us a tattoo. It says, 23 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: no snitches. 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 4: And this is like the punk younger brother who's trying to. 25 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: Act tough reporter Matt Hamilton. 26 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 4: That's another to work closed on us. I think that 27 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 4: is when Paul made the decision. He drove down to 28 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 4: Paul Warren's office in Long Beach and maybe introduction, which 29 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: was risky because if you're door knocking someone to go 30 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: to their workplace is like extremely low chances of success. 31 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 3: I don't like the idea of showing up at Paul 32 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 3: Warren's work, but Sarah's in rehab and Charles isn't talking, 33 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: so at this point Paul's all we got. He works 34 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: at a logistics company in downtown Long Beach. There's a 35 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,839 Speaker 3: garden the lobby. I don't tell him who I am. 36 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: I just asked him if he can direct me to 37 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 3: Paul's office. He won't, but he phones Paul to say 38 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: I'm there. A couple minutes later, Sarah Warren's father appears. 39 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: He's in his fifties, medium Bill brown hair. I tell 40 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 3: him I'm a reporter for the La Times, and immediately 41 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 3: his face falls like he knew this day would come. 42 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: He leads me to a private area where we can talk. 43 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 3: I asked him if i'll answer a few questions confidentially. 44 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 3: With some reluctance, he agrees. Paul tells me that he 45 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: and his wife have been trying to get Pulliafido out 46 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: of Sarah's life for two years. He says, Carmen thinks 47 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 3: Sarah's his girlfriend, and the Warrens are desperate for her 48 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 3: rehab to work. That's all he'll say for now. I 49 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 3: give him my card and ask if we can speak again. 50 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: He says he'll think about it. Even if we can't 51 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: get Sarah or her parents. The reporting team has enough 52 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: for a story, so it's time to poke USC president 53 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: Max Dechias again, give him one last chance to comment. 54 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: We decided to send Matt Hamilton and Sarah Parvini to 55 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: follow up in person. 56 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 4: Paula basically tasks us with one of the most difficult parts, 57 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 4: which is confronting an administrator at USC who doesn't want 58 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 4: to be confronted. 59 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 5: Matt and I are both USC alums, both products of 60 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 5: the journalism School of USC, and it seemed fitting for 61 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 5: the two of us to be the people to go 62 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 5: back on campus and to sit in that office and 63 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 5: hope for an interview with Nikias. 64 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 4: We kno f in the president's dore and go in, 65 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 4: and we had not realized that the USC President's office 66 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 4: was really a series of offices. There was clearly an 67 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 4: inner sanctum, and then an outer sank them, and then 68 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: even further outer sank them. 69 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: There was a person at the front desk. 70 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 5: We told them who we were, or two reporters from 71 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 5: the La Times. 72 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: We're working on a story. 73 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: We'd like to speak with President Kias. 74 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 5: And we sat there and waited, but of course we 75 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 5: were turned away. 76 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 4: We were both a little crestfallen that we didn't get 77 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 4: to lay eyes on the president. Really that what was 78 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 4: like the height of Max and Kius's power because us 79 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 4: he was just raking in over a billion a year. 80 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 4: The money was arriving so fast, and he didn't have 81 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 4: time for two dollar Times reporters. 82 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: I also emailed the Kias's office for a response, and 83 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: I attached the nine to one one recording from the 84 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: hotel continence. Remembering what his office said in that letter, 85 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 3: to Davon, I ad a ps quote. I have never 86 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: followed you on Instagram and I have no interest in 87 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: your travel schedule. I know going to the Kias could 88 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: easily meet another complaint from his office, and the top 89 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: editors at the Times, Davon and Mark are not going 90 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: to like it. And on Monday, the reporting team here 91 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: is from one of our editors, shall be grad we. 92 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 4: Got an email saying to the effect of, Okay, the 93 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 4: team's done, good work, carry on with your other assignments 94 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 4: and stories. I do remember a sense of Shelby being 95 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 4: leaned on to have the team do other things. 96 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: Matt Late, our editor on the story, tells me Davon 97 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: has apparently found out about the reporting team and now 98 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 3: he's pressuring Shelby to take everyone off the project. It 99 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: seems maybe Nikias did complain again. 100 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: I remember calling Paul and other team members after receiving 101 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 4: that email, and it was like, disregard the email. Just 102 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 4: keep doing what you're doing. I know it saysn't in writing, 103 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 4: but the real mandate is to keep going. The five 104 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 4: of us were able to do significant headway and gell 105 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 4: as a team, and it made it almost impossible for 106 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 4: it to be disbanded by that point, and it was 107 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 4: kind of a brilliant tactical move by mid level editors 108 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 4: to put like five people of varied abilities, skill, experience, 109 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 4: age onto a team. It's like a broad constituency kind 110 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 4: of gave it and impossible to kill arrangement. 111 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 6: There was a lot of contempt for the leadership of 112 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 6: the paper. 113 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 4: We found them ridiculous. 114 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: Harriet Ryan had been through this kind of thing with 115 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: her investigation into Purdue Pharma, and she isn't about to 116 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: let this story suffer the same fate. 117 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 6: It was about journalism. There was something about the purity 118 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 6: of the journalism afflict, the comfortable and comfort they afflicted. 119 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 6: It was why we were all in this field. It 120 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 6: was why we got up every morning and like went 121 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 6: to this building and made less money than we could 122 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 6: of and dealt with the fact that we could be 123 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 6: laid off at any minute. We all did it for 124 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 6: this belief in this thing. 125 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: Shelby sends another email to the team saying again that 126 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: we need to stand down. We ignore it, so we're 127 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: not a secret reporting team anymore, just an insubordinate one. 128 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 3: I give Paul Warren a few days to get in touch, 129 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: but he doesn't. Then one morning I get a call 130 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: from his wife, mary Anne Warren, Sarah's mother. She won't 131 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: go on the record, at least not yet, but she 132 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: agrees to talk. I don't tell mary Anne that have 133 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: already spoken to her husband and said she doesn't bring 134 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: it up. I assume he hasn't told her either. I 135 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: have to maintain Paul's confidentiality, even from his wife. We 136 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: arranged to meet at the Hilton in Huntington Beach. I 137 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: first see mary Anne in the hotel lounge. She's tanlonde 138 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 3: and looks a lot like her daughter. She says her 139 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 3: husband doesn't know that she's meeting with me, and neither 140 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: does Sarah. We find a quiet table at the back 141 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 3: and she starts to tell me what Carmen Pullioffido has 142 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 3: done to her family. The Warrens first learned about Pulliafido 143 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: when Sarah ran away from home. She had always been 144 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 3: in and had run away before, but this time was different. 145 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: They didn't hear from her for months, so mary Anne 146 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: was relieved when she got a Facebook message from one 147 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 3: of Sarah's friends. 148 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 7: He called and said, your daughter is mixed up with 149 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 7: these mad men. 150 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,359 Speaker 3: Now, the Lawrens would end up signing a non disclosure 151 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: agreement with USC and we'll get to that. They can't 152 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: tell their whole story, But Mari Anne did go on 153 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 3: the record. These excerpts are from a transcript read by 154 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 3: an actor through Facebook. 155 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 7: When Sarah went missing and Carmen had the first apartment 156 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 7: for her, I said, bring her to me. I didn't 157 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 7: care who he was. 158 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 3: To me. 159 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 7: He was like a guardian angel because I hadn't seen 160 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 7: my daughter in a couple of months. 161 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: Sarah came home, but she wasn't the same. She had 162 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 3: struggled with her drinking and dabbled with drugs before, but 163 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: now she was addicted to meth and she claimed that 164 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: this sixty four year old doctor was her boyfriend. It 165 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 3: was the start of a terrible cycle. 166 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 7: She oh deed with this guy like four or five times. 167 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 7: Pasadena Sheriffs had to have a suicide squad at her apartment. 168 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 7: Of course, no trace of any police reports. 169 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: No police reports. Just like after the hotel constance, the 170 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 3: Warrens got Sarah into rehab again and leaned on pull 171 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 3: your feeto to help pay for it. But even though 172 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: he's willing to spend money on your treatment, he's still 173 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 3: part of the problem. 174 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 7: Sarah says that he snuck drugs in all the candy 175 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 7: that he would send her in rehab, and that's why 176 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 7: she never got better. 177 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 4: She was in three rehab facilities. She was kicked out 178 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 4: of one of them because Puliafido smuggled Santax bars to her. 179 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: Reporter Matt Hamilton. 180 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 4: The first day of her rehabit, she went out to 181 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 4: the car and he would give her sann Axe handle 182 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 4: the bag. 183 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 3: And on the second. 184 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 4: Day Fiet brought her meth by putting it in a 185 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 4: sunglass case on the road outside the facility, and so 186 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: she was kicked out after they found out she was high. 187 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 4: At the second rehab Facilita was discharged but relapsed on 188 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 4: the ride home with Pulliafido because he gave her meth 189 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 4: and alcohol on the ride home. Monarch sure Is I 190 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 4: believe was the third. He would mail her zanaxs Skittles 191 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: bags and he called it Skittles surgery. 192 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 3: Now knowing what Pulliafido was capable of, the warrems have 193 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: put Sarah into a rehab where he can't get to her. 194 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 7: Where she is now, they don't let any men in, 195 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 7: you know, So it drove him wild. I had to 196 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 7: kind of keep him at bay so he wouldn't go 197 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 7: there searching for her, saying, oh no, this rehabs like 198 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 7: a convent. They don't let anyone in. 199 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: Carmen. 200 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 7: I hardly get to speak to her myself. 201 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 3: They consulted a private investigator who told him not to 202 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: shut out Puliofido since they don't know what he maan 203 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: I do. 204 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 7: I have kept in contact with Carmen while Sarah's been 205 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 7: in rehab. When we first found out all this was 206 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 7: going on, who he was, I was advised that we 207 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 7: keep our enemy close to us, my husband and I. 208 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 7: So we've been in constant contact with Carmen, like every 209 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 7: two or three weeks. 210 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: And Marianne tells me something else. Sarah is not the 211 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: only one in her family who's fallen under his spell. 212 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 3: Pouliofido also has his hooks into her teenage son, Charles. 213 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 4: Puliofido had given him meth twenty five to fifty bars 214 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 4: of sanax. 215 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 3: By the way, bars is just another term for pills. 216 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 4: Polifido and his sister they were both smoking meth. This 217 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 4: was in her Pasadena apartment. They offered it to him 218 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 4: and he accepted and he was only seventeen years old 219 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 4: at the time. He's someone who was going over to 220 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 4: his sister's apartment and invited to partake, but. 221 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: Charles has been trying to get free of Pulliffido. He 222 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: hates how the dean controls Sarah with drugs, keeps her 223 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: away from her friends and family. Mary Anne also tells 224 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 3: me that Sarah had once called Charles afraid for her life. 225 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: Pulliafido had seen her with another man and it burst 226 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: into her apartment in a jealous rage. When Charles rushed over, 227 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: he found his sister screaming because Pulliofido had been using 228 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: a steam iron on her clothes while she was wearing them. 229 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 4: He fought with Pullioffido to defend his sister. He beat Pulloffido, 230 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 4: hurt his knee. 231 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: Charles warned Pulliafido to stay away from Sarah, and he 232 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 3: threatened to kill him, but Pulliafido wouldn't leave her alone. 233 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: At the end of our meeting, mary Anne confirms what 234 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 3: we've heard from the drug dealer Kyle Void. Mary Anne 235 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: had looked through Sarah's laptop and found hundreds of photos 236 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 3: and videos of Pulliafido and Sarah doing drugs. And having sex. 237 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: I know that if we can get our hands on 238 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 3: this evidence, David and Mark will have to publish the story. 239 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 3: So I asked Marianna if she'll share the files with me. 240 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: She tells me she'll think about it. Back in the newsroom, 241 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 3: I update the team. Every one of them is struck 242 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: by some different terrible detail. Adam Ilmark. 243 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 8: He was providing drugs to people Sarah's brother included, who 244 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 8: was a minor. And you know, this is a really 245 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 8: damning critical detail, Sarah Parvini. 246 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: Here's a young woman who you know is struggling not 247 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: only with substance issues, but also this imbalance of power. 248 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: She wasn't too far an age for me. It's hard 249 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: to turn away from something like that. 250 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 4: Matt Hamilton, what she was describing was multipole, deliberate efforts 251 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 4: to even when she is at a facility to try 252 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 4: to break her addiction, he is enabling it. That to 253 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 4: me was outrageous. This is just someone who's simultaneously entrusted 254 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 4: with shepherding the education of people of the same age, 255 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 4: and it just he's a doctor. 256 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: Mary Anne Warren is worried that if she hands over 257 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 3: the photos and videos of Pullia Fido and her daughter 258 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: Sarah will feel betrayed, and Pulliafido might come after the family. 259 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: So I suggest a compromise. The Times can describe the 260 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 3: images in the article, but not publish them. She's reassured 261 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: to some extent. She says she'll look for a good 262 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: example to send me. I wait, I follow up, I 263 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 3: wait some more, and finally I get a text from 264 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 3: her with a screenshot from one of the videos. It's 265 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 3: an image I'm not likely to forget. 266 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 4: It was like a photo of Puliafido with a pipe. 267 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 4: You just see him hovering over this pipe and there 268 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 4: was like white smoke. I remember thinking, okay, that's not 269 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 4: about a school dean. It just was so different from 270 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 4: this man that you saw on the US website or 271 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 4: images of some charity function. 272 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 3: It was just like, okay, wow. Mary Anne sends six 273 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 3: more photos, all showing Puliafidos smoking meth. We have more 274 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: than enough. It's time to write the story and get 275 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: it out there. Harriet Ryan tackles the first draft. 276 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 6: Carmen Pullifedo, the dean of US's Tech Medical School, arrived 277 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 6: at the Galla fundraiser at the Beverly Wilshore Hotel a 278 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 6: year and a half ago, with the confidence of a 279 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 6: man totally in his elements, he moved through the crowd 280 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 6: of celebrities like Pierce Brosen and Don Henley and wealthy 281 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 6: school donors like Dana and David Dornsite, shaking hands and 282 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 6: posing for photos, and delivering the message that had become 283 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 6: a refrain in his eight years in office, USC was 284 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 6: climbing into the ranks of the country's most elite research institutions. 285 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 6: In the less refined setting of the Van Nuys Courthouse. 286 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 6: A few days earlier, a convicted methamphetamine a heroin dealer 287 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 6: named Kyle Voy was told to write his contact information 288 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 6: on court form. The address he scrawled was a sprawling, 289 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 6: five million dollar mansion in one of Pasadena's Tonius neighborhoods, 290 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 6: Pullifido's residence. 291 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: The next day, Mary Anne calls to tell me that 292 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: she's just heard from Pulliofido. He's invited her to lunch. 293 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: Mary Anne Warren tells me that Pulli Affido says he 294 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: wants to talk to her about Sarah and the La Times, 295 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: and though it doesn't make a lot of sense, he's worried. 296 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: Pulliafido somehow knows he's been talking to me, but this 297 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: lunch with Pulliofido is a chance to get him to 298 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 3: talk about his relationship with Sarah and what he knows 299 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 3: about our investigation. In a perfect world, should record the 300 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: whole thing, but in the state of California, you need 301 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: permission to record a private conversation, so that's out. But 302 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 3: a reporter might be able to overhear them, heavesdrop and 303 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: take notes. We wouldn't be able to quote the conversation 304 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 3: because mary Anne wants to remain anonymous, but it would 305 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 3: be a major help for our reporting and give us 306 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 3: the backup we need. So we decide someone needs to 307 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: go undercover. But who would it be? Clearly not me, 308 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 3: we decide on Sarah Parvini and Adam il Marik. 309 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 8: Paul had tried to reach Balafido numerous times by then, 310 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 8: and so that would have just been too obvious, and 311 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 8: so we figured he's not going to recognize us, and 312 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 8: we could pull this off. 313 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: Kind of felt like this good old fashioned kind of 314 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: journalism of you know, following the quote unquote bad guy 315 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: and getting the information that you need. 316 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 3: We look for a restaurant that's big enough for multiple 317 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: tables to be available and a time eleven thirty am 318 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 3: when a nearby table might be empty. We land on 319 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 3: a place called the Blue Gold, a cavernous steak and 320 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: seafood restaurant in Huntington Beach. 321 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: I remember, you know, driving down to this mall where 322 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: the restaurant was and meeting up with Adam, meeting up 323 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: with Paul, having a huddle before walking in. 324 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: Mary Am will go in first after pull thea Fido arrives, 325 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 3: Sarah and Adam will try to sit at the next table. 326 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: They'll look like any California couple. But if pull the 327 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 3: Afido senses something's off and confronts them, they'll have to 328 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 3: admit their journalists for the la times. Those are the rules. 329 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: I'll be waiting in the car as they text me updates. 330 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: Fifteen minutes go by, then finally he shows up. 331 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 8: We actually waited outside for him to walk in, and 332 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 8: then we kind of followed in a couple minutes later 333 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 8: and sat at the table next to the It was, 334 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 8: you know, a nice kind of a bit of scale 335 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 8: kind of a restaurant, had kind of a Mediterranean menu. 336 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: Adam and I ordered chuck schuka, which was funny for 337 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: us because we're about Middle Eastern and we just sat 338 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: there and we listened. 339 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 8: He seemed kind of disheveled. This is a superstar medical 340 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 8: school dean, you know, and he did not come across 341 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 8: that way. He started to hear. You know, mary Anne 342 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 8: just kind of really peppering him with questions and really 343 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 8: trying to nail him down on certain things, like the 344 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 8: fact that he was providing Sarah with drugs. I think 345 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 8: he paused for a second and he said, I gave 346 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 8: her the money for it, but he wouldn't actually admit 347 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 8: to furnishing the drugs themselves. You know. He gave his 348 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 8: story of how he believed he was the hero in 349 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 8: all of this. He was trying to rescue Sarah. 350 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: We were texting the team and like a group text 351 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: updates about what we were hearing, and then also simultaneously 352 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: taking notes he. 353 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 8: Was giving her money for drugs. At the very least, 354 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 8: they had a long term kind of arrangement. 355 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: Picking up on tone, picking up on sort of intention, 356 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: you get the vibe of this person, of this relationship, 357 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: of the sort of trying to cover his tracks, try 358 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: to sort of smooth things over. Even that in and 359 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: of itself, if we couldn't quote from any of the conversation. 360 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: It told us so much. 361 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 3: Mary Anne presses Pull Your Fido about the incident at 362 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: the hotel constance. She says, when you see someone passed out, 363 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: you call nine to one one. Pull Your Fido responds, 364 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 3: I'm glad I did what I did. I didn't try 365 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 3: to make a big deal out of it. When Marianne 366 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: confronts him about delivering drugs to Sarah in rehab, he 367 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 3: doesn't deny it. He even admits that at least two 368 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 3: other people have been kicked out of rehab because of 369 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 3: his drug deliveries. 370 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: There was this almost boastful quality to when Puliafido was 371 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: speaking with Mary Anne about the things that he had done, 372 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: when she would kind of try to pull it out 373 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: of him, like, oh, and do you remember when this happened, 374 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 1: and he would just sort of step right into it 375 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: and almost be proud. 376 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 3: Pullia Fido tells Mary Anne that the La Times is 377 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: after him. Never talk to them, he warns her, and 378 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 3: then he asks, are you sure you aren't talking to them? 379 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 3: Cool as can be, Mary Anne says, why would I 380 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 3: throw my daughter under the bus. The day after her 381 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 3: lunch with Puliafido, mary Anne calls me. She's decided to 382 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 3: show me the rest of the photos and videos on 383 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 3: Sarah's laptop and phone, and she's finally told her husband 384 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: Paul that she's been talking to me, only to find 385 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 3: out that he's doctor b two. Late the next day, Sarah, 386 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 3: Parvini and I had down to Huntingdon Beach to meet 387 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 3: the Warrens, both of them together. 388 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: It was late when we drove down together, Paul and 389 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: I in the same car. 390 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 3: Marianne has booked a conference room at the Hiatt for 391 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 3: us to meet in along with the family therapist. We 392 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: just want to do what's right, she says. The meeting 393 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 3: is off the record. On the conference table, there's a 394 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 3: laptop and a hard drive. 395 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 5: It was like this long table where we basically got 396 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 5: these little drives with the information on them. 397 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 3: The Warrens agree that we can take the laptop, but 398 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: we can't publish what's on it. Back in the newsroom, Sarah, 399 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 3: Adam and Matt begins scrolling through dozens of videos and photos. 400 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: There's a video date stamped the night before Sarah's overdose 401 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 3: of her and Puliafido in the room at the hotel Constance. 402 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: I remember just having to literally Google, like, what is 403 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 1: a hot reil? What does this mean? It's a method 404 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: of taking a methemphetamine where you heat it up and 405 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: then you inhale it through your nose. It's like one 406 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: of the most dangerous ways that you can do meth. 407 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 3: In another video, Pulia, Fido and Sarah shotgun some myth. 408 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 3: She calls him Tony. In another Fido tells Sarah he's 409 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 3: working on getting more ecstasy, and Sarah tells him she 410 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 3: had been arrested just the night before. I'm working on 411 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 3: the X. Yeah, I know, think in jail. 412 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, I went to jail last night. 413 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: Tell you about that story. And then there's the ecstasy video. 414 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 5: He is like in a tux dressed very nicely, and 415 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 5: it's in this vertically kind of shot like selfie style video, 416 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 5: and you know, he sticks his tongue out and there's 417 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 5: there's a tab on there and he says, you know, 418 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 5: the ball, I'm going to do some ecstasy before the ball. 419 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 5: In the other footage that we had, we could tell 420 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 5: that he was doing various drugs, but he's not sitting 421 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 5: there talking about doing the drugs. There is something particularly 422 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 5: striking about someone of their own admissions, saying this is 423 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 5: what I'm doing. It essentially wraps it up in a 424 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 5: bow for you. 425 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 3: Needless to say, we're stunned by what we see. And 426 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 3: then two days later I get another phone call Sarah 427 00:25:54,440 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 3: Warren is ready to talk. Davon Maharaj and Mark Duvison 428 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: deny that they did anything wrong in their handling of 429 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: the USC investigation, and they maintained that any negative betrayal 430 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 3: of their actions is false. Next time, on Fallen Angels, 431 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 3: he was late. 432 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: To seeing a patient because he was getting high. 433 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 3: I finally speak to the young woman at the center 434 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 3: of the story. 435 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: I think the police found the drugs, Well, they just 436 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 2: found the meth because Carmen, I guess, was able to 437 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: hide the heroine. Then right before I overdosed, he was 438 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: like trying to have sex with me, and then I 439 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 2: think I just like passed out. I knew he had 440 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: to get out of my life. 441 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: But even with our main witness on the record, we 442 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 3: face a battle to get the story out there. 443 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 8: Said cutting the whistleblowers as unethical, and I don't. I 444 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 8: can't stand by it. 445 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 6: When I think about the class on Marx Walls, I 446 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 6: just pictures just pulsating with the rage and frustration in 447 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 6: that room. 448 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 3: That's next time on Fallen Angels. Fallen Angels The Story 449 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 3: of California Corruption is a production of iHeart Podcasts in 450 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 3: partnership with Best Case Studios. I'm Paul Pringle. This show 451 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 3: is based on my book Bad City, Peril and Power 452 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: in the City of Angels. Fallen Angels was written by 453 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 3: Isabel Evans, Adam Pinkus, and Brent Katz. Isabel Evans is 454 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 3: our producer. Brent Katz is co producer. Associate producers are 455 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 3: Hanna Leebowitz Lockhart and On Pajo Locke. Executive producers are Me, 456 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 3: Paul Pringle, Joe Picarello, and Adam Pinkus for Best Case Studios. 457 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 3: Original music is by James Newberry. This episode was edited 458 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: by Max Michael Miller, with assistants from Nisha Venkat, additional editings, 459 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 3: Hound design, and additional music by Dean White. Mary Ann 460 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 3: Warren's transcript is read by Jennifer Morris. Harriet Ryan, Matt Hamilton, 461 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 3: Sarah Parvin and Adam Almarik are consulting producers. Our iHeart 462 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 3: team is Ali Perry and Carl Catle. Follow and rate 463 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 3: Fallen Angels. Wherever you get your podcasts,