WEBVTT - Ep. 168: Satan's Decoy 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.720 This is me eat podcasting in you shirtless, severely bug 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:18.599 bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:28.920 predict anything, Yanni, Um, you new haircut. I'm sorry about haircut? 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:35.640 Your new haircut? Yes, just like kind of I love it. Yeah, 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:39.800 Yanni's got a butch. Yanni's daughters helped to give him 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:44.280 a butch. You call us, but it's borderline butch. You 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.640 feel like this is an endearing term, but that that's 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.680 just one little like a like a three on your 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.840 we're all haircater sister. Do you use the wall clippers? Yeah? 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.320 Those are the those are the jam dude. I'm so 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.200 jealous that haircut. Do you think I'm too thin on 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.480 top to run that haircut? I don't think we'll know 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.680 until you try. Nice thing about it is it grows 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.320 out pretty in quick. But you know how you don't 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.800 like when everyone has the same haircut. If I got 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.440 that haircut, I think it's like military style because that's 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.920 what I call it, more of just like a buzz cut. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.040 I don't I don't even know what butch means. Butch 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:25.160 to me has a different negative connotation for for you 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.120 know what I'm talking. Let's tackle that for a minute. Okay, 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.000 but um, I do want to get into that. I 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.720 know folks referred to that style of haircut as a 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.600 butcher cut. Dude, not growing up, butchut, that's a butcher cut. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:43.000 It's like they're there and there. You could have a 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.720 word mean two different things. Oh, you definitely could. Yeah, 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.800 I just never heard it called a butcher cut, but 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.480 not or a butch Yeah, that's a When I went 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.160 on my first date. When I went on my first 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.000 date with my wife, it was a four day date 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.600 and I had just gotten one of because I used 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.120 to get those, and she made me she doesn't like 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:04.880 him as much, but I got one. And I remember 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:09.280 on our first date, which spanned a number of days. Um, 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:14.320 three people asked if I was in the military. Yeah, 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.960 you do get that, especially if you walk around like 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:19.120 war Tex hoodie with a yeah, because you got a 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.840 USA you got a US A match and a short 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.480 haircut you got like you got a map of Faluja 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:32.360 tattoo tattooed on your chest America. Are you at the point, 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:36.920 Steve Stephen Ronnella where you are getting sunburned on the 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.840 top of your head? No? No, And and I felt 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:42.560 like I was standing out, but I feel like it's 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:49.800 thickened back up again. That's not possible. Tell us about 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.240 what product you've been using. Nothing. I use a medicated 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:57.720 champ I use. I have a skin condition on my 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.840 scalp and the next on the sides of my nose, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.280 So I use a medicaid shampoo if it's bothering me. 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.919 If not, I use whatever's in the shower. You know 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.560 what I mean. Are you a daily shampoo er? No, 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:11.120 I don't take a shower every day, dude. I take 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.040 a shower like I take a shower every three days. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.240 And then do you shampoo? Oh? Yeah, if I get 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.240 in there, I'm shampoo. Let's let's let's take a pull 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:23.680 on showers two to three days right now. But typical 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.160 when I'm like up and running, when you're not crashing 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.240 at a buddy's house. Yeah, I'm a shower every day 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.000 a guy, Yeah, every day, But I I do if 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.680 more to wake up, that's time. Even if I'm clean, 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.760 you don't feel grimy like you don't feel like I 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.520 could wake up when I wake up in the morning. 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:47.480 I typically I don't change my clothes. I don't unless 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.000 i'm like coming down to the office, and I feel 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.440 like I should I'll wear I'll wear my saying I 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.960 wake up and put my same clothes back on, change 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.240 my ownies, put my same clothes back on. I'll do 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:03.360 that for a few days, even shirt. Sometimes I don't 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.000 like to generate a lot of laundry, and I don't 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:07.400 like to be getting in and out of the shower 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.520 and having to dry off all the time. Would it 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.880 be safe to say that you're just the general principle 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.200 is low maintenance. That's why you like the haircut. That's 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.040 why I don't look a lot of laundry. I like 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:20.120 that haircut. I don't like my kids leave the mono laundry. 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:25.600 They generate a staggering Oh yeah, buddy, tell me about it. 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:27.760 And it's frowned upon to throw your kids in the 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.839 same clothes and send them back out to school. I 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.440 do it whenever I can. Yeah. I had words my 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.960 mother in law not long ago about that. She was 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:36.760 really upset that I did it, and I said, I've 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:38.800 been doing that my entire life, and look at me, 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:43.080 I'm fine. Um. The only time you have to say, 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.240 look at me, I'm fine. It's been a game changer 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.520 is I've taught my girls to when they take their 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.880 clothes off, to turn them right side out and put 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.760 them into the dirty laundry bin. So because I think 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.599 when you're folding, you spend more time turning the closes 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.000 right side out and you do actually fold them. That's true. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.360 That helps. That's a good thing to teach your kids. Yeah, 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.880 because I think parents of young kids, you can start 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:09.680 to feel like all you do is laundry. Yeah, if 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.719 I don't have meaningful the reason I don't engage. I 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:14.640 handle the cooking in the house, and I handle a 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.880 lot of the dishwashing and whatnot for the most part. 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.640 But I don't engage in laundry outside of my own 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:24.200 laundry because I don't have meaningful input. Meaningful input to 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:29.120 me looks like, uh, what constitutes a dirty towel, what 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:33.600 constitutes dirty clothes? My definition is different than my wife's. 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.320 So I would have them get up and put the 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.000 same clothes back on again for several days if need be. 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:45.560 And I don't believe in separating your colors heavens now no. 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:50.880 So since since I'm like, I will do family laundry 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:58.040 if if I can move the move the rules here 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.400 a little bit in my direction. But since people are 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.040 unwilling to move in my direction on a couple of 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:09.880 key things, I don't engage. That sounds fair. It strikes 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:14.680 my involvement. It comes with full involvement. If you want this, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:18.279 you're getting the whole thing. Now, it strikes me that 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.560 we all have You have zero kids, I have one 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.720 Yoanni has two. You have three. So we have all levels. 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.720 It's pretty much covered. We got it all covered. So 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.120 we have every level of child rearing. So cal has 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.159 no laundry to do. I have a small amount of amount, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.679 a larger amount for and then even a larger amount 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.520 of infinite infinite laundry. Uh speaking all that, look at 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:46.520 this segue. Um, we're talking about cleanliness, right, what do 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.040 you put in when you're doing laundry? What do you 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.039 what do you put in there in a little receptacle 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.200 up top laundry detergent? Well, yeah, but you could also 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:58.160 sit call it guys sent in um better fat. Yeah, 0:06:58.200 --> 0:06:59.719 I gotta sending a bunch of soap that he makes 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.560 some game fat. I like this guy, which is cool, 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:07.400 the dude, uh farmcare soaps. Now, obviously you run into 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.840 a problem with like uh selling wild game parts, which 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:13.000 I don't know the rules when you're making soap, like 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.000 I don't. I don't know the rules on that. You 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:16.720 can't sell the meat, right, you can sell you can 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.480 sell a bear hide, you can't sell bear meat. I 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.560 don't know where you're at if you're selling bear fat soap. 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:24.840 But he plays it safe and doesn't sell the bear 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.840 fat soap, but people will. He has friends I gather 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.720 who will bring him deer fat and bear fat and 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.320 he'll make him up some soap he send his soap 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.800 made out of this is bear grease or bear oil. 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:41.240 And then what's interesting is there's a way that soap dudes, Um, 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.480 there's the way that soap dudes like score soap. Well, 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.160 the thing called I haven't read this is carefully as 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.840 I wish I had read it. Uh, And he's got 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:52.920 this little breakdown here. He breaks down all the wild 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.560 all the wild fat, like how salmon oil performs, how 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.800 bear tallow. He's even got how rabbit tallow so like, 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:08.240 rabbit fats attributes, goose fat attributes, regular pigs, mink oil attributes. 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.840 And then the number which is called an I S 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.720 I N S number, which I'm gonna have to look 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:20.480 up the highest rancor the highest number is um dear 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.520 tallow has the highest I N S value. Whatever the 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:31.040 hell that is? Iodine and sap. I like this guy's uh, 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.079 he's covering all his bases with this one. Speaking of 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:39.920 deer tallo, he's from Elkton, Maryland. He's got a picture 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:45.760 of a secret deer and the ingredient is deer tallow. Yeah, 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.040 got got her all covered. I think he's making a 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.560 nod towards Maryland. There soap. He also makes a sap 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.480 which I don't get and it doesn't excite me at all. 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:58.760 Is Cabernet saviognan. Because you don't mean you're not a soap. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:00.320 You're a soap every three day. Have you a soap 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.480 every day? Guy? You would understand that's a look how 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.480 it's smell it? Give it a give it a smell. 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.760 This this honey and lemon is delicious. This one has 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.920 the vague outline of the word soap on it, as 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:14.720 if to say he's got a lot of other things 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:21.679 laying around that looked like that. You scratched soap. Some 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.080 companies will scratch the word dial do it. You just 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.360 scratched the word soap into it because it could be 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:28.920 in a chalk, could be in a race, or you 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:30.240 don't know what that because this is like a This 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.200 is a level of wild game that I haven't touched 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.160 on yet. But I think it's pretty damn interesting. I 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:39.600 think it's very interesting, and I think everybody here probably 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.679 feels the same way to a degree. When you turn 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:48.119 a certain corner, you or at a level of commitment 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:52.080 where your life allows for nothing else. Though, Like I 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.600 feel like if all of a sudden I was in 0:09:54.640 --> 0:10:01.160 the soap making game in addition to canning, preserve, bang, yeah, 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.200 the general putting up of meat, then it's like you 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.640 gotta have somebody else with another four of income in 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.160 the household. Do you become the soap guy? Right? You 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.240 do it so much like yeah, tim old Timy makes soap. 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.720 That's like your person, that's your identity. At some point 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.640 it's like, yeah, so you got to figure out all 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.360 the way. I'm jealous of it, but I don't. I'm 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.880 not gonna just to be in total Honestly, I'm not 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:23.920 gonna start making my own soap for my wild game. 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.760 But Yanni's wife wants to make some soap up the 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.880 many reason. She wants me to kill a fall bear 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:31.880 so it has a whole bunch of fat. Yeah, but 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.960 why not do it with the deer? Why not? I 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.719 guess Yeah, we get trying. She just already have I 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:40.439 took some of those out of the box. Have you 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:42.520 been using it at home now that your hair still 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.400 short and you scrub your head with bar soap? I 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.440 haven't done that yet. We've just been using it as 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.840 a hand soap in our downstairs bathroom because you know 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:52.559 it's so nice and fancy you kind of want, you know, 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:54.640 guests and everybody. No, I would say this is is 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:59.679 this artisan? As an overused word? Ship man? I think 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.080 the me and lemon is what we've been Uh that 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.280 artist and bread? You got, not artist and bread? Hey, 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:10.440 taste moving on a dude. Uh, we're gonna talk about 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:15.760 turkeys on turkeys. Uh, this is something we've have. We 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.400 talked about this before. A guy wrote in his saying, like, man, 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:24.280 you Fellers got it all wrong, saying um killed. I 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:28.000 shouldn't say you killed a turkey, he said, you should 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.959 say harvested it, because you're just playing into the anti 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:37.600 hunter's hands by saying he killed it. I I understand 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.840 I do, But I feel like a big part of 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:47.280 I feel like the game has been lost if we 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:52.680 become so detached from the fact that meat in order 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.360 to eat meat, death is associated with it. It doesn't 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.760 have to be meat, mind you, whatever you eat your 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.240 in it. Very true. But if a farmer told me 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.199 I went out and harvest did that field of corn? 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.720 I picture what he's talking about. If a farmer told me, 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.840 you know what, I went out killed all that corn 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.000 in that field? What if he said I would think 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.240 that he, uh put round up on it. I spent 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.920 a lot of time. I spent a lot of time 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.440 thinking about this. Why. I don't know, because it annoys me. 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.720 The harvest thing annoys me. It's like, why are you watering? 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.680 Why are you watering down the thing you're doing? Like, 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.160 we'll just admit to what what you're doing. The need 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:39.240 to have a word two cloak that we're killing a 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.680 thing is an issue to me. Well, no, because it 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:46.439 implies using Now you kill the animal, you harvest the meat. Yeah, 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:50.080 you're harvesting, like you're not. The thing that harvest doesn't 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:51.840 get to is that you didn't put the animal there. 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:53.959 You put the corn there. But you didn't put that. 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.040 You didn't plant the animal and grow it there like 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.520 that animal is there, happened to be where you were 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:04.040 from from our standpoint, just by happenstance, good point. Harvest 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.719 does imply, but accept it like farm animal, You're not 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.400 going to change the wording. You don't harvest of you 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:14.920 don't harvest some beef. Yeah, listen to this though. Slaughter sure, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.960 or kill no, But that's what I'm saying. No farmers, 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:23.720 no rancher would say, um, I killed the we killed 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:28.880 the pig, slaughter to the pig, which to me has 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:33.760 a connotation of just like it means killing farm animals. 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.680 We're getting into some murky water because I do think 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:40.280 like the lower the numbers, the more you would here 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.040 kill like hey I had I went out and killed 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:48.800 lamb this morning. Yeah, but now listen to this. I 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.040 just just thought of this because we talked about this 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.000 um in a different way. But reap what you sow? 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:02.280 The term reap right, that gets used all the time 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:06.120 and like kind of maccab ways of killing people like 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:11.160 the grim reaper. Yeah, a ridge reapers called the ridge 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:16.240 reapers reper camels. And when you when you technically or 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.680 not technically when you some people call going behind the 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.840 fan of a turkey and and and approaching a turkey, 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.960 they call that reaping really because you're taking like a 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:31.120 scythe and cutting it low, cutting it well, But that 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:36.520 is like I went out and reaped the field today, right, 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.320 Do you know where I'm going with this? No, not 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:44.120 at all. That's the literal definition of the y. And 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.680 then the figurative would be if you return to like 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.360 the return to the world harvest, like in the definition 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.120 of the word harvest is crop. Right, the definition of 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.080 crop is something that you produced yourself. You grew it, 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.520 You harvested your crop. You did not grow that, dear, 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.560 you did not. Even if you set up a you know, 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.040 like our boy Mark Kenyon set up an environment where 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:06.720 the deer likes to live and then sneak in there 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.960 and kill it, you didn't grow it there. People gave 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.680 it a place to live. You kind of grew you 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.800 kind of grew it, but you didn't grow. Then, if 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.800 you're high fense situation where you're putting ear tags and things, 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.560 and you're if you're breeding, if you're breeding a deer, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.480 maybe we can start to get having. Yeah, if you 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.080 make them breed, the deer comes out and then you 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.240 put it out in a little fence and kill it. Yeah, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.600 you probably did harvest Probably is a crop at that point. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:38.040 Our new babysitter just came off of working on a 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.520 do your operation in New Zealand where they harvest the 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:47.600 velvet and harvesting the velvet, you know, get a couple 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:51.640 of velvet, harvests off it, then they slaughter it. For me, 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.480 I would I would agree with that. If you went 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:56.960 out and picked the morrell Would you ever say I 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:02.000 harvested some Morrell's, I'd say I reaped it. I've been 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:06.880 just we can reap some morrels. You pick morrel's, You 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:12.600 slaughter beef, you killed turkeys? Yeah, man, that's we should 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.840 have a shirt just like that that says that exact thing. Yeah. 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.640 You know, everybody got all high on different words for like, 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.680 a group of zebras is a what ynny that one? 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.040 I don't know? Oh damnit, crash. It's a crash of 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.040 zebras or something like that. It's a crash of rhinos 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:32.240 or something like that. It's a flamboyance of flamingos. Remember 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:37.640 that you can't crash of rhinos dazzlezzle that everybody got 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.440 all hip on that because someone came up with the thing, 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.080 showed it all, and then everybody got all into like 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.720 what words mean? What? A murder of crow of crows 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:46.760 is a big one that Yeah, you can it might 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:52.040 be a sweet shirt. It says pick next to it. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.440 What do you call it? Corn harvest and the turkey kill? 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.400 What do you call a group of giraffes? I don't 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:02.800 know the tower. No there right, I just got back 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:09.359 from the Texas Hill Country. Yeah, Ben, you're gonna have 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.879 to suffice as it. I mean years spent in Texas, 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.840 like three or four, so you're a Texas expert. Yeah. Thanks. 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:20.880 I'm like, I'm like the Wikipedia version of saying Texas 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:24.480 dudes are so sensitive they're gonna be particularly Yeah, they're 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:29.560 gonna be like listening to this pouring over it. Uh. 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.720 You were saying that we hunted on the Lano River, 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:39.080 which can be Lano for Yano. I prefer Yanna. I 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.480 prefer Yana. But I was corrected many times. Yeah, it 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:45.040 cannot be Yano. The Yano is in the Panhandle, I 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:50.480 was told, and I said, yeah, anyway, we're hunting near Burnett, Texas. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:55.600 And he said it's Burnett. You can't even say that, right, Yeah, uh, 0:17:55.720 --> 0:18:00.720 real quick. Yano Esticado, which is in Texas, yes, and 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.679 New Mexico. I believe Oklahoma is that because it's up 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:08.359 in the Panhandle. The Yanno esticado is an entirely in Texas. 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.960 It's a big landscape feature. It's a it's a it's 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.640 a vast plateau that falls away on very steep edges 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.280 around it. And once upon a time, the command she 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.320 used to go up and vanish on top of that 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.359 thing where it's very hard and hard to exist and 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.840 lack of water, and sometimes they would hide out in 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.840 the canyons where the Yanno Esticado breaks away. The Yanno 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:37.560 esticado means steaked planes. So the Yanno River. How in 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:44.080 the hell is the Lanto same same spelling, same spelling, 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:50.840 the same. And there's also the Lano Uplift, which is 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.440 a is a big granite dome that's in the hill 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.400 country that people always talk about is that the Yano Uplift. 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.240 Is that the thing we were looking at, that rock 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.159 is amazing And I don't know if that's a I 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:04.960 don't think that was right. Uh, But but we're in 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.479 full on Texas Hill country. Yeah, which is a term. 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:08.600 I've been here in my whole life, but I don't 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.440 know what it meant. Well, there's a lot of things 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:11.920 to me, A lot of things. It means to me, 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.440 Like you think of the granite and limestone, like those 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.159 big you know in the Lna River, those big cliff 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:21.760 faces in the hill country and the sandstone. It's out there, um, 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.840 but really it stretches. They say it's the border between 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.480 the southeast and the southwest, so it stretches almost all 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.719 the way over to the border of Mexico and up 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.520 into East Texas, which is a big deal. So it's 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.760 a there's a lot of varying terrain. But we were 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:40.160 in where I used to live and just south where 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.560 we were as the gateway to the hill country. Dripping Springs. 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:47.320 Dripping is one of the more pleasant town names. Yeah, 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.200 where and there was like I'll move there. There was 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:54.480 many dripping springs. It's only dripping. There's a lot of 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:56.600 natural springs. There's a natural spring on one of the 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.440 properties we were hunting on that Yanni and I got 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.840 to look at. Um. So we were in kind of 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.359 the beginning of the hill country with stretches across Texas, 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:08.360 which is very landscape. But I think of I think 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:12.200 of those limestone and sandstone cliffs and stuff that you 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.680 see when you're driving west. Why is the hill is 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:21.359 the hill country more known for high fences and axotics 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.119 running around than other parts of Texas? It just in 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:28.280 you're and you're like superficial understanding of Texas, my superficial understanding. 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.800 I've seen it more there than I've seen in other places. 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.040 Where we're hunting. We're hunting on a We hunted on 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.760 a farm, not a farm, a former ranch, recreation, a 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:46.160 recreational ranch turned recreational properties acres um not fenced, No, 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.800 not high fence. There's fences pretty much all other properties 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.000 that fenced all. And driving out of there, we ran 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:56.520 into two Zebras Dazzle there was that a Dazzle Mini 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.639 Dazzle Mini Dazzle too Zeebras to stand there, which is 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:04.520 like very disconcerting to see. And there's a lot of 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:06.240 that the bad way. We're just like, wow, there's a 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.520 lot of the first time I was, the first I 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:10.480 think week that I was in Texas, we were driving 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.960 through the hill country to go hike at some state park. 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:17.080 And which is what you gotta hike on. I don't 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.320 there because there's not a public ground to do it. 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:21.639 So we're driving out. We're driving down this high with 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:23.520 a buddy and I look over and there's a bongo 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:26.639 like standing on the side of the road, just not 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:28.520 behind a fence, just standing on the the side the road 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.879 eating grass. And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're around. 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:34.720 What do you mean they're around. That's an East African 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:38.480 jungle antelope. It's not what are you talking about saying, oh, yeah, yeah, 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:40.600 you see those around. They must have got out of 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.320 the high fence. And that is always what you here 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.400 down there. Oh yeah, there's a z brotherre's an elk. 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:47.960 There's a We had a red deer run across the road. 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:54.080 I mean I typically hunted by driving them out of 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:59.200 the jungle into less dance jungle with buses guided by pygmies. 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:04.800 And you're running dogs through the jungle and uh, you 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:09.040 flush them into like zones of like twenty yard openings. Yeah, 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:11.440 it's a big critter. That's like the second largest n 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.119 African antelope I think behind the eland. It's a big critter. 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:17.560 It's not a small I mean, it's like kind of 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.320 a bronzy orange color. So it's not something you see 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:24.520 in this continent or this at least in the in 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:28.080 the in the state. Yeah, it's it's we have coming up. 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.680 We're doing an episode with the head of Texas Parks. 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:35.520 It's Parks and Wildlife. Yes, Texas Parks and Wildlife. And 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:37.359 I have a million questions for him. If you have 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:41.200 a question, if there's other Northerners, other Yankees out there. Oh, 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:45.680 I want to return to the word butch for a minute. Um, 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.440 there's other Yankees out there who have questions, Like we're 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:52.000 just like, how could that possibly be? If you have 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:54.399 a question for a Texan, you can email in and 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:57.200 we'll we'll we'll collate the questions and then we can 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.800 go ask the Texas Parks and Wildlife guy. My question 0:22:59.880 --> 0:23:03.200 is going to be, is it legal? Are you really 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:08.920 allowed to just take any animal from anywhere and cut 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.399 it loose on your property. I feel like the answer 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:15.440 is yes from all my experience answers. Yes. I would 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:17.320 be interested to hear his take on it, Like if 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:21.600 someone gave you a jaguar, mm hmm, could you be 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:26.159 like I'm turning to the jaguar out on my property. 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.359 They can't has to be regular. There's there's a regulations, 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:33.640 but there's not for a zebra. So how right I'm 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:35.600 dying to know? I mean, I can I can tell you. 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:37.080 Like when we were talking about where we were in 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.560 the Hill country in Atlanto or Yana or Lano, whatever 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:44.320 you please, We'll go Lana. Like the guys that the 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:46.560 ranch we were hunting on, we're saying that that's used 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:49.639 to be like South Texas, big tracks of land, big 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:53.840 tracks are ranches like you know, Uh, it's pretty common 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.760 in that area, the hill country where's kind of outside 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:02.639 of Austin. There's they basically taking these large ranches and 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.680 parceled them up and sold them through history. I don't 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:07.159 know the history of all that. But now you have 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.720 a thousand, two thousand, five hundred six hundred acre properties 0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:14.800 and with a wholly different land use ideas on each one. 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.360 And so when we were down there, you see offense, offense, offense, offense, 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:22.439 another fence, another fence, because there's there is no twenty 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:25.919 thousand acre untouched habitat down there like I've seen in 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.520 South Texas. So it's challenging. You'll see, I mean, we 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:32.960 saw black buck we saw red deer. We saw high 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:40.560 fence and then five strand very unwildlife friendly fencing. Yeah tough, 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:43.280 but yeah yeah. Do you mean that the regular fence, 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:46.639 not the high fence, but just the raider cattle fence. Yeah. Yeah. 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:49.520 We found a picture, not found a picture. Ran into 0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:54.520 a deer that had gone to jump, had had gone 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:57.200 to jump offence. This is like you see this often 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.119 and like pictures like just picture of bar ware has 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:01.920 has got a bunch of strands on it and it 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.520 got its leg between So it shot a leg in 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:12.159 between the two top strands and enrolled the wire. My 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:15.120 saying it in the way, it's clear rolled the wire. 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:17.199 So then the wire began to braid, not braid, to 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:23.439 twist and caught the deer's hoof there just on its ankle, 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:25.600 and it looked like it'd been there quite a while 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:31.399 for it expired. It was dead hanging there and I, uh, 0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:32.879 you can go look at the picture. I put it 0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:36.040 on Instagram. Um just like at Stephen Ronelle. If you 0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:38.920 scroll back you'll find his deer I'm talking about. And 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:42.040 the common threads kind of interesting to see, like people's 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:45.480 perceptions of what they're looking at because the I didn't 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:46.800 want to just put it up in some kind of 0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:52.360 sensationalist way. The image. Uh So, I explained in the air, 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:56.480 like man, you know, white tails thrive around people. We 0:25:56.680 --> 0:26:00.359 plant crops, agricultural crops that they like to eat. We 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:03.040 plant edible landscape and they like to eat. We create 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:07.200 endless amounts of edge habitats where they thrive. We displaced 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:11.679 their predators. But it's like a double edged sword because 0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:15.720 the number one white the number one white tailed death, 0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.959 I think is getting hit by a car for human caused, right, 0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:21.040 not even hunting. I think people hit more with cars 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.399 than hunters kill. That might be right, that might be 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:29.000 wrong certain states, it's I've heard. I'm pretty sure this 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:32.640 is true. I've heard that that's how kind of high 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:36.000 fences came to be in Texas. That the idea was 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:38.120 these large ranges with lots and lots of white tailed deer, 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:39.720 put a fence up. You don't have to worry about 0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:42.440 hit him with your truck. We're you know, really yeah. 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:45.280 And then I think later they discovered the fringe benefits 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:48.320 of it, being breeding and controlling genetics and things of 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:50.919 that nature. I think it originally started obviously to keep 0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.440 people out of your property. But as far as wildlife 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:57.960 is concerned, highway uh. And I've heard two of people 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:01.159 only fencing one side. I've been on two properties that 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:04.800 have done this, fence one border of their property. If 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:08.479 they if they're doing like deer management, and you have 0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:12.080 neighbors that are just just like you know, I'm not 0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:13.879 saying it's in a negative way. You have neighbors just 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.480 like shoot box. Yep. Maybe they eat a lot of 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.119 deer and they shoot, you know, they go out and 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.000 don't care and they just shoot whatever buck they run into, 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.639 which is totally fine. But I've been on two Texas 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:27.040 properties where they ranch a border, a single border, so 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:30.760 they're not captive, They're not holding their dear captive. They 0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.640 just don't want to be having their big box so 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.840 easily move on to a property of mugs that just 0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:41.080 shoot box. Yeah, it's still possible, but it's a deterrent. Yeah, 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.280 it deters them from getting over. And in both of 0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:46.760 these places that I was on that did this, they 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.879 mentioned how these guys would set their blinds. They knew 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.480 that this place was producing nice bucks, and they would 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:59.359 set blinds and basically hunt the edge, which irritated the guys. 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:04.880 Another guy, that happens everywhere that copensive border. Know where 0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:07.600 you set your blind on the neighbor's property is it's 0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:10.640 just like a human tendency. It doesn't matter if your 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:13.439 places ten acres or ten thousand, you're gonna hunt the 0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:15.960 freaking border because it's obviously better hunting on the other 0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.800 We had a guy right in recently proposed it it 0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:24.679 should be illegal. He thinks that he's noticed in his 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:29.400 area that people will put corn feeders. Like, I can't 0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:30.840 remeber what state is that. He's in the state where 0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:33.400 it's illegal debate on public, but you can bate on private. 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:37.840 And you noticed how the private guys always set corn 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:41.520 feeders right on the edge of the public. And he 0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.600 was saying it should be illegal to do this, which 0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:50.720 I understand his frustration perhaps, but that's like some crazy lawmaking. Yeah, 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.000 that's not gonna go over real. Well, you proposed that 0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.160 in order to make it easier on this dude. He 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:01.680 doesn't like that they're drawing off the blue. Yeah. And 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:05.440 if that, I mean they find corn, they find high 0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:08.880 calorie food. So if it's a hundred yards inside the 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:13.280 private or two yards inside the private, odds are that 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:16.240 deer is gonna find it just as easily as if 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:21.680 it was ten yards inside the private Yeah. Yeah. Um. 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:27.440 I never finished my thing about the fence is uh 0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:30.360 the comments, So I put the picture up in the 0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:32.960 comments the deer hung up fence. Yeah. So there's a 0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:35.320 deer that diet on a fence. And I said this 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:37.680 double edged sword, right, because we like create, We kind 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.440 of like created the white tailed deer. The white tailed 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:41.520 deers in some ways, not in every area like you 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:43.600 get up in like main big woods, and but in 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:45.040 some ways, like the white tail deer has become like 0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.040 a kind of synthetic animal, yeah, because it does so 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:51.840 well around people, uh, much to its credit. Right crows, 0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:54.080 Canada geese. We talked about this a bunch of times, um, 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:55.880 and I suppose double edged sword because then you know, 0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:57.640 like this deers hung up in this fence. That's all 0:29:57.680 --> 0:29:58.920 the point I was trying to make. But you look 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:00.440 at the comments. A lot of the comments they're cool, 0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:02.840 A lot of the comments like that's nature's way of 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:07.040 sorting out the week, which struck me as really funny. Um, 0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:11.280 But a lot of comments in there about animal friendly fencing. Yeah, 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:15.600 and feeling at that fence. We was a not animal 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:22.520 friendly fence that I would totally agree and no agenda here, 0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:26.680 but yeah, there's a animal friendly fencing and all you 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:29.640 gotta do is look it up. UM. And now a 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:34.800 lot of state agencies they have UM basically UM you know, 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:39.640 state employees that are their sole job is to work 0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:45.720 with private landowners and and help them, if they have 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:50.840 interest to do so, UM manage for wildlife. UM. And 0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.000 one of the ways to do that is to UM 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:57.840 use animal friendly fencing, which I think is if you 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.360 have a four strand fence, the top strand onund as 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:05.080 smooth wire, UM, and it dictates like the the top 0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:08.680 strand and bottom strand or smooth wire and I'm screwing 0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:12.960 this up, but um and then they're spacing between the 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.480 wire two and then every so often you would have 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:21.320 like one that's missing a top strand or something like that. Yeah. Uh, 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:25.000 you know, analope can jump. Like the minute you say 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:27.600 they don't like to jump fences, like we're we're antelope 0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:29.800 or from the habitat to live in, It's like jumping 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:33.640 wasn't necessary. They didn't need to jump stuff because they 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.040 live out in flat, open country in a hundred years. 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:39.240 I bet evolution will make we'll haven't jump anilop to 0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:42.160 jump fences all the time. I think that there's probably 0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.479 in the select there's definitely a selective advantage. There are 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.040 antalope that will jump a fence, and those antelope are 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.440 probably much more likely to live long and have lots 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:54.880 of babies. I've reaped and harvested a few antelope bucks 0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:58.160 as they danced back and forth on a fence trying 0:31:58.200 --> 0:31:59.880 to make up their mind on what to do with it. 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:03.280 We've gotten them. We've gotten them before by hunting them 0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:07.080 and good crossing areas. Yea. Yeah, so they don't like 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.440 to jump, they will jump, and you'll people send him 0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:11.400 when you say that antelope don't jump, you'll get three 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.520 videos of antelope jumping fences. So they will, but typically 0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:15.080 they don't like to jump. Now, they don't like to 0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:17.520 they don't know how they like to go under fences. 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.239 So I know that people that are trying to do 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:23.040 while they're friendly fencing in some areas, it's raising the 0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:25.920 bottom wire to make room for antelope to go under. 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:30.720 I know in some areas with sage grouse which collide 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:35.360 with fences, there's like a lowering of the wire to 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:37.360 to a certain high because they tend to cruise out 0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:39.680 a height where they often collide with the high wire 0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:42.800 on a barbed wire fence. And then some guys were 0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:47.480 mentioning other uses of paneling and things. Yeah, and you 0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:52.240 can put some visual aids on barbed wire as well, 0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:54.360 like little pin wheels and stuff. That's what they do 0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:57.640 for sage grouse. I think that's what it was. Every couple, 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.680 between every couple of posts, you put these reflectors so 0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:03.680 they read just through the presence of the wire. I 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:05.160 wonder if there still I don't know this, but did 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:07.240 you wonder there's something with all the pigs we saw 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:12.160 in this place with with that kind of fencing wildlife 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.719 safe fencing and pigs. Yeah, well, I I don't know, 0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:18.200 because I've been in years past. I've been to places 0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:25.200 that have um an old high fence situation and they're like, 0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:29.360 you can't even count pigs as high fence pigs or 0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.440 free range pigs because that high fence means nothing to them, 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:36.960 like they'll go under it somehow, some way, which I 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:38.880 don't I don't know. That was what was interesting about 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:40.480 a lot of the fence that we saw in Texas. 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:42.800 Was it wasn't just a four or five strand barbed 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:44.800 wire that was it was like the normal four or 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:48.680 five strand, and then underneath that there was a you know, 0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.120 just gaped by three or four inches, there was another 0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:54.240 three or four strands where a pig I mean a 0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:57.240 pig let could get through, but you know, anything over 0:33:57.360 --> 0:34:00.480 forty pounds probably couldn't get through that ar have to 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.600 hop through the next gap up. Do you remember hunting 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:08.319 that crazy place in Florida? What they did? Did they 0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:11.480 bury fence or what they do? They had it's a 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:17.479 cattle ranch, working cattle ranch, right, yea, And they had 0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:23.440 they boarded up to a nature wild bird sanctuary. And 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.440 the wild bird sanctuary does some hog control work, but 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:30.080 not nearly enough, I gather according to some surrounding landowners. 0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:36.759 So this guy had hogproof fencing between his cattle ranch 0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:40.920 and the bird the wild bird sanctuary, the wild bird sanctuary. 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:42.439 It is funny because you're like out in the cattle 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:44.000 ranches like open so it like like what do they 0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:47.480 call it hammocks? Hammocks like savannah. Well, the hammocks are 0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.720 just what they call a chunk of palm trees. Yeah, 0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:53.759 but the rest is like savannah like grasslands. And then 0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:55.399 you will come up and look like you'd walked into 0:34:55.400 --> 0:35:00.560 Guatemala when you hit that fence. Freaking jungle in the 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:03.640 birst sanctuary because they weren't running cattle on it the 0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:07.520 constant over the years grazing. So he had hard proof fencing. 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:09.880 But what he would do is he went and built 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:16.200 in all these little dogie doors in the hogproof fencing. 0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:23.520 What yes, propped open with a stick. And he's got 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:26.560 hogg doug, he's got hog chasing dogs. So one night 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:28.880 he cut we're a turkey hunting and we get to 0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:32.200 shooting the ship and he's like, if you boys want 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:38.359 to go out hunting hogs a night, come along, and 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.160 we agree to do this. The first step on his 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:44.759 hog hunt, before you start hunting hogs, he goes down 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:50.359 that fence and closes all the doggy doors. Step one, 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:55.279 close all the doggy doors. Step two, start hunting. Yes, 0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:57.560 and guess where you catch pigs at the dog door? 0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:06.000 Is the dog you doors? And these guys do you're here? 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:12.640 Everything called Bard like v Bard? No, not Shakespeare. Uh 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.160 is somebody using the right word borrowed? I think it 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:21.120 was just bar bar hog. Yeah, we caught two hogs 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:26.960 that night. One is, we recaught a hog that they 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.799 had caught previously. And when they catch a board, they 0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:35.000 castrated because it does two things. One stops him from 0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:38.520 reproducing and make it more pigs. Two, as he put 0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:41.160 it to us, it takes his mind off ass and 0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:45.719 puts it on grass and they get fat. But it 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:50.520 also limits the testosterone flow. Right, it makes it makes 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:54.239 the taste better from fast times at Ridgemont didn't say that, 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:59.160 he made it up. He didn't say that. Anyways, we 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:03.880 caught two picks. One was castrated. Oh you know what, 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:05.719 Remember how this morning I was telling you about making 0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:09.160 my own sausage casings. That was from that pig. Oh 0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:11.760 so you was from the one we caught that had 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:15.360 been either by them or other hog hunters had been 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:20.400 caught before and cast right, we called another pig that 0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:28.080 was intact a boar. That pig they castrated and turned 0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:31.960 back out again. Yeah, this is I've done this a 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:35.040 couple of times. Ridley's rode along like you guys did, 0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:39.160 and it is it is gnarly. So you're you're catching 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:41.719 them with dogs. I'm going there and grabbing them by 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:48.239 the hind legs in the not cast rated hog. Um, 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:51.799 the not cast rated hog gouged a dog pretty good, 0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:58.240 And I can't do you remember the Do you remember 0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:01.480 the my observation about does the vet think about you 0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:04.120 bringing in dogs all the time that are hard up? 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:07.600 Was that? Was that a lion hunter that said that 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:09.480 line to us that I like so much? Or was 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:11.400 that a hog hunter that said that line to us 0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:13.680 that like so much? You were talking with it with 0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:15.360 that dude is we were riding on top of his 0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:18.680 giant swam buggy, all right. I said to him, what's 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:20.880 your vet think about you bringing in dogs all the 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:25.120 time that are gouaged up from wild pigs, which one 0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:28.640 could argue is avoidable. And he's then said, that's why 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:30.560 you got to find a vet who likes the hogs. 0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:35.239 Give you a discount. Here's a good question for you. 0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:37.799 You go in there and you grab a critter by 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:42.080 the hind legs? Is that a harvest or a kill? 0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:44.040 Are you killing the big? Are you harvesting the pig? 0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:49.000 You're harvesting? It's nuts. Haven't haven't seen that occur? I 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:51.799 would not put I would not take a word, and 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:54.480 I've seen it occur in a lot of places. I 0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:58.160 would not apply such a delicate word as harvest to 0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:01.520 what happens when you catch a pig with dosh. Yeah, 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:04.319 it is the most it's like, it's probably the most 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.840 chaotic scene you can imagine. It's kill with a capital k. 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:12.680 It is. I almost got chased up, chased up a 0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.319 tree by a big old hog that just had his 0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:19.680 nuts removed postcastration. My mom got chased up a tree 0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:22.399 by wild pig with my dad. Yeah, I got chased. 0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:24.040 He wasn't really didn't chase me up the tree, but 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:25.320 I felt the need to get up the tree. The 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.399 way he was looking at me, and he was coming 0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:29.239 towards me, like, yeah, you better get up that tree. 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:32.560 We're gonna we're gonna tussle. Son took his mind off 0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:37.200 ass and put it up Betty's Steve. Where would because 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:40.319 your folks were in Michigan, right, Yeah, they were northern tier, 0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:44.160 But so did they? Did your dad travel and hunt? 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:47.000 Oh yeah? Really? Yeah, he would go down south to hunt. 0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:49.680 They'd go down there with their recurves and hunt pigs. Oh, 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:52.040 no way, he would travel. He'd go up in Canada 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.640 and they'd catch suckers. They'd hand grab sockers and phil 0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:58.120 sacks full of sockers and hang the suckers on the 0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:02.280 edge of creeks. Fresh bags of fresh suckers and gunny 0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.239 sacks hang along creeks, and they'd hunt bears like bears. Yeah, 0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:07.279 he taught about the first bear he ever got. He 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.320 thought he was sitting so close to his soccer sack. 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.080 He said, when that bear reached his arm up to 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:14.200 rip our part the soccer sackles in the spring, he 0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:16.279 said he could see his ribs spread apart, and he 0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:17.880 was five yards away, and he said he could he 0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:19.880 could put his arrow right between the spread out ribs. 0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:24.480 He'd like to tell that story, might be he got lucky. 0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:28.200 Does your mom like tell the pig story? No, she 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.560 doesn't shy away from it. Not a fond memory. Though. 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.680 She had gone off to get his arrow, his arrows, 0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:37.280 because they were they had a pig that they wound 0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:39.239 and were chasing around. He ran out of arrows, and 0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:41.719 she went to get an arrow. He sent her to 0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.040 get it, fetch his arrows that he shot, and she 0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:46.719 got an arrow, and then a pig got onto her, 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.279 and she climbed up in a tree and had to 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.600 throw my dad an arrow to shoot the pig. Man. Yeah, 0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:55.160 but she wasn't a big hunter or anything, you know, 0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:57.680 but she had somehow gotten your wife do that for you. 0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.040 My wife would not do that for me. Well, I 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:01.680 think if you're up in the tree with the arrow 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:03.399 and it was a pig, she would never be near 0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:08.920 the tree. Quick fence anecdote. It happened this weekend and 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:11.359 it was a good learning lesson. Andrew Whitney and I 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:13.520 had just parked and getting ready to hop a fence 0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:15.400 going to some private we had access to and go 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:19.200 hunting and landings right across the street and we're just like, 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:21.279 you know, saying, hey, what's up. You know what's going on? 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:25.479 He says, you know, there's a gate, you know, down 0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:27.719 at both corners. He doesn't drive down to the gate 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:31.080 and uh, and he's like, hey, it's cool. We can 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:33.640 just you know, your fence is so tightly strong, we 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:35.800 can just hop the fence and use it like a ladder. 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:37.480 No big deal, like kind of saying thank you for 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.360 offering the gate, but you know, we're young and able 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:42.920 and what it is hot the fence and guys like 0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:45.680 and then it just clicked right at that moment, I'm like, 0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:49.400 I'm like, sir, would you prefer that we used the gate? 0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:52.560 And he's like, yeah, that's like a brand new fence. 0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:54.600 It's nice and tight, and I don't want you guys 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:58.000 to stretch it out. So I wonder about that. Yeah, 0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.839 it was. It was very you know, I didn't had 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:03.760 never put those two things together that like, you're hopping 0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.120 fences all the time and you're just eventually stretching them out. 0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:08.359 I'm sure a couple hundreds aren't really going to do 0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:11.320 that to a fence, but in the eyes of a landowner, 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:12.960 you know, it's a nice way to show us some respect. 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.960 So then the bottom strand was just like two ft 0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:17.440 off the ground. So we're like, oh, well, what does 0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:19.480 duck under? And of course he goes in his house 0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:22.040 as we duck under the fence and he comes back 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.160 out and he was getting groceries or something that we're 0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:27.400 both on the other side of the fence, and he 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:29.400 kind of looks sad us and he didn't say anything. 0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:31.359 He just went back to doing his stuff. And I'm 0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:35.200 sure he's like if you just got a new house, 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:38.319 You're like, guys, just a new house thing. And there's 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:41.279 footprints and there that's a story where you're like, yeah, 0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:44.239 well you said have permission, we have mission on this 0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:47.400 guy under his fence and he thought we climbed it 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:50.400 all right back. So what we're doing turkey hunting Lano 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:54.560 the Lano River during a super bloom in the Texas 0:42:54.640 --> 0:43:00.200 hill country where holy ship the flowers, the primary our 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:04.680 being the blue bonnet looping, which people in Texas are 0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:08.160 real proud of. It is a looping, right yeah, kind 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.840 of looks has a pedal, not not the flower pedal, 0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:14.240 but has a leaf. The body of the plant reminds 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:19.000 me of Columbine. Yeah, very similar. It wasn't in bloom. 0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:21.960 A fella could be excused for thinking he was looking 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:25.760 at Columbine. Um, you don't agree with that, your wife's 0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:30.120 a botanist, or you do agree with that? Uh, hunting 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:33.080 Texas still country kind of the tail end what people 0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:37.480 were describing as the tail end of the Turkey rutt. 0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:41.440 People don't say turkey rutty, don't they tail end of 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:44.800 the turkey rut? And uh got out there and we 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.880 were guests before you get away from that. Do you agree? 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.560 Do you guys agree that that was the case or 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:52.640 is that just the assumption of a few of the 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:55.040 locals that you're hanging well. I from living there and 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.800 hunt it. I think in then in the zone of texts, 0:43:58.239 --> 0:43:59.880 I want to say we're in the North zones, or 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:02.160 we were, the season had already been going for It's 0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:04.960 just a week, not long at all. Maybe that's just 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:06.440 what they were saying. I was telling Yanni before he 0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:08.200 went down there. I feel like in the South Zone 0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:11.959 it's usually mid March. It starts at the perfect time, 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:15.279 like you get birds fired up. They're coming off the 0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:17.880 roots fired up and they're not end up yet. Usually 0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.160 when you get there, when you get up into the 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:23.120 Northern zone where we were, it's just a week or so, 0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:26.359 ten days too late, so you start the opening day 0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:28.719 is kind of when that. I feel opening days like 0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:31.919 the back half of the Turkey rut. And so when 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.440 we get there a week after that we are, my 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:36.640 feeling is on the tail end of it. And that's 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:38.479 what I felt going down there. And the challenge would 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.719 be that we would have to pull. We would have 0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:44.680 to either find Tom's that we're running solo, or get 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:49.680 real slick on the ones that weren't. I know, I know, 0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:52.000 I said it, but it's like I feel like it's 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:57.359 just hard to understand. With turkeys, there is a beginning, right, 0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:02.239 Turkey spend their winter in large winter flocks. Okay, if 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.799 you go out hunting. Just talking to Matt the other day, 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:06.520 some of his buddies are just out in a certain 0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:09.440 area and my brother was telling me how his bodies went. 0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:11.560 They got some birds, but it was super tough because 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.560 the birds were still grouped up in groups of one 0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:19.400 or more. So when I hear that, that's like, not, 0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:24.759 that's not the rut, that's winter flock. You're on one 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:29.400 side of it. Yeah, So there's there's something that precedes 0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:34.319 the beginning, and then you get into where later where 0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:40.360 you have groups of males very casually hanging out, not fighting, 0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:45.120 not pursuing females. The females have poulse the run around 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:49.719 with their pulse, and there's like the end within that. 0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:53.920 I don't think it's like this real. I don't know 0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:56.440 that everyone's on the same schedule and it's this real timeline. 0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:59.560 I think it's kind of this. It's it's white tails 0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:01.320 are similar. I mean, you could be in a place 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:03.319 where you're not seeing a whole lot of action and 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:04.960 then you turn around there's a buck chasing a dough. 0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:08.200 You know that it's similar with turkeys in my mind 0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:10.520 that you can run into you be hunting on all 0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:12.920 week and run into one bird. That makes it seem easy. 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:18.000 However you run into them, or on Monday it's unbelievable. 0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:23.400 Then Tuesday it's like nothing's happening. Wednesday it's unbelievable again. Uh, 0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:24.840 we show up this spot. We were the guy. We 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:27.800 were down there because the guy's Uh. We worked closely 0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:29.960 with Eddie and the guy and Ben used to work 0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:33.040 real close with Eddie. Ye Um. We were guests to 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:35.520 go hunting down on the hunting down there with those guys. 0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:37.400 And the thing that happens to me turkey hunting all 0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:39.480 the time in new spots, and I cannot stand it 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:42.960 is when you get to a spot you never hunted before, 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:47.640 and it's dark, so you arrive in the dark, and 0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:50.440 you go out in the dark in the morning and 0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:53.799 you're hearing a bird gobble, but you've never seen the 0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:56.839 place and you have no idea what anything looks like. 0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:00.759 I can't tell if I'd like that or hate it. 0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:04.960 I kind of hate that, you know, I kind of 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:07.719 the turkeys is not bad just because they're on the 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:09.680 roof and the first morning me and Cower stand there 0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:12.520 like they were hammering on the roost down by where 0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:14.680 you guys arey the river at least or between the 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:17.879 two where our zones were. It's cool to just be 0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:19.680 in a place where like I don't know where that is, 0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:22.520 but I know there's a turkey over there, because you 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:24.439 don't get that. You get that with elk in other place, 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:26.000 but you don't get that white tails or anything else 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.120 in Texas. That's for sure. You can't stand there and 0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:31.560 be like, turkey's over there, I don't know where that is, 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:34.640 just walking in the dog because it's novel because the 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:38.439 next morning, it's not gonna be like that. The next morning, 0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:42.479 like you know that one spot, which is why ranch 0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:45.319 every other year, you know, because I like going to 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:47.640 see some new country. Yeah, but sitting there in the 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:50.880 dark and there's a bird hammering, and you're like, like, 0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:52.840 if you go to the spot, you know, well, like 0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:55.520 Doug Dug can sit on his front porch, your bird 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:59.160 gob will probably tell you what tree it's in, you know, 0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:02.319 just familiarity, or if you're in the woods and you 0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:04.560 hear a turkey gobbling on the ground when you know 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:06.839 in the area real well, he's like, I know what 0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:09.760 he's doing. I bet he's And they know that little lane. 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:11.840 How does like the wide spot and they like the 0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:14.440 strutting air. He's probably there, so we should sneak around. 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:17.880 Right when you're in a new spot, you hear it 0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:20.480 and you don't know what you don't You don't know 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:22.239 like how you should move over, what you should do, 0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:24.080 and how you should get over there. And the sun 0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:27.200 comes up and there's like a big down dead tree 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:29.920 right there where you're like, no bird in the history 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:32.319 of turkeys would ever jump over the top of that call. 0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:34.840 I end up doing that with a set of railroad tracks. 0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:36.640 We didn't know the railroad tracks there. But you end 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:38.640 up and hunts like this where you don't know what 0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:40.640 you're doing. Really, you just kind of have the landscape 0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:42.480 in front of you're just kind of poking and prodding 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:44.120 at it. You know, when you know the landscape, you 0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:46.279 just charge over it gets to a spot where you 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:49.560 need to be done. I spent two mornings listening to 0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:53.120 turkeys gobble that I only later realized weren't even on 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:56.120 the property. We are on yeah, cal and I yeah, 0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:59.200 And I crawled up five birds and hit him and 0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:02.200 they were just strutting on another side. Offense. We had 0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:06.160 to then check oh onyx maps, that is not where 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:09.400 are we cannot the It takes a lot of mental 0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:14.200 capacity too, because like we're like, okay, there's the birds, 0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:15.480 get set up. Here we go and I was like, 0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:18.839 wait a minute, if only they would come over this 0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:24.799 eighteen strand fence strong with dead deer. Uh So yeah, 0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:26.120 that first one we set up. We went out and 0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:28.200 set up. It was funny because this is the first 0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:30.600 guy's ever had to me. We were with a photographer, 0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:36.719 nice kid, nice guy, and we old texts. I hesitate 0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:40.880 to even say this. We set up in a spot. 0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:44.440 Texas have a great affinity for the blue bonnet flower. 0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:48.200 Apparently it's like a rite of passage that when you 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:50.440 have a kid, you take the kid out in the 0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:53.359 spring and have him dance around. This is the Texas thing. 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:56.120 You take your kid out in spring and make him 0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:58.480 like dance around in the blue bonnets, are laying them 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.680 all cute and take pictures of him. They love the 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:03.560 damn flowers. So did they do that for you? We 0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:06.719 photographer hesitate to say this, I has sit say this 0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:11.239 is deeply embarrassing. It doesn't this. I'm just gonna tell 0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:13.320 it though, picking up because this is a safe space. 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:21.040 We set up in a spot because of the presence 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:27.000 of blue blonet blue bonnet flowers. That's embarrassing. That was 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:34.560 the site selection for our setup to try to call birds. Also, 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:38.520 a ship load of gobblers nearby wasn't a bad spot, 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:41.759 but I would I feel like it's necessary for me 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:47.480 to say that. The photographer was like, since there's a 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:50.359 number of spots that one could set up, I think 0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:52.960 it would be really cool if we could set up 0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:56.279 with all these blue bonnets, because imagine to get a 0:50:56.320 --> 0:51:00.120 big gobbler, to get photos of a big gobbler like 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:04.960 a small cute child strolling through the blue bonnets. As 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.000 long as you didn't have to be the small cute 0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:09.360 child in the scenario, that's that's fine, And that is 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:13.120 how we set up. And I think that it was cosmic. 0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:17.560 It was cosmic retribution that we did not call a 0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:20.600 rooster in off the tree the goblin. I think that 0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:28.279 the lord, not a rooster goblin roosted the Lord of 0:51:28.320 --> 0:51:32.600 the hunt, the Goddess of the hunt, Diana's her name, 0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:36.040 The goddess of the hunt said, I will punt. I 0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:39.560 will not punish these men for having the presence of 0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:44.920 blue bonnet flowers. Uh inform or dictate to them where 0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:46.960 they should set up to best kill this turkey, and 0:51:46.960 --> 0:51:49.040 I will not let that turkey go in their direction. 0:51:50.239 --> 0:51:54.279 And they didn't, and we then hunted around. It was 0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:57.120 like like every I feel like every time you like, 0:51:57.160 --> 0:51:59.239 I need to start writing down what happens when people 0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:02.960 turkey hunt, because you somehow carry with in your head, 0:52:03.000 --> 0:52:06.120 you carry the best days of turkey hunting in your 0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:09.719 head as normal. And I need to make like a 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:13.520 sticker or something that I keep, or a little note 0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:15.879 card that I keep my turkey best that says, like, 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.640 in the morning, before it gets light out, you will 0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:23.839 hear many gobbles and then the next line will be 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:29.080 uh after when they get sunny out or the daylight comes, 0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:33.720 the birds will will not gobble as much as normal. 0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:41.319 And then this is normal. And then as the morning progresses, you, 0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:45.640 if you're lucky, well here scattered gobbles, because that's like 0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:48.680 how every but every time you're like, you're in the 0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:53.640 it's dark, gotta go. And then they stopped gobby, like 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:59.360 what happened? They shut down? They hit the ground and 0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:01.879 never made it the other peep, And I, like, I 0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:05.360 I re suffer that realization every single time I go 0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:09.680 turkey hunting, as though I'm experiencing something not like what happened. 0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:11.799 They hit the ground and shut right up. How many 0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:13.720 times have I said that in my life? That never happens. 0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:18.240 It's like that is normal. So they hit the ground 0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:20.800 and didn't gobble a lot, and I started entering, Oh, 0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:26.759 it's post rut. It's like something weird happened. And then 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:31.080 you just start hunting and then it plays out like 0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:34.120 how it plays out. And the other thing is that 0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:36.759 the other turkey mistake. As we start hunting around me 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:39.399 encountered the Lano River. We're hunting on the Lano River, 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:42.440 and I guess a few years ago this was like 0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:46.759 a very lush river bottom a lot of vegetation. But 0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:48.719 they had this historic flood, like a hundred of your 0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:50.799 flood or you know, people are just throwing around hunding 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:55.680 your flood, a ripping national news flood. And it not 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:59.480 only did it scour the river channel of vegetation, but 0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:04.080 it depot posited like full on beach sand where this 0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:08.120 thing looks like the Mojave Desert from bank to bank, 0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:13.120 it looks like the most inhospitable turkey thing in the world. 0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:15.840 And we start talking about turkeys like that live on 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:18.839 the like we're like, there's turkeys on the other side 0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:22.799 of the river, as though they're in another realm, that 0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:27.360 they exist in another dimension is our The river seems 0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:30.719 so severe and wide and un turkey friendly, you know 0:54:30.719 --> 0:54:33.080 what I'm saying. And so you start dividing the world 0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:34.960 up and there's like the turkeys that live over here, 0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:37.800 and there's the turkeys that live over there, and the 0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:40.560 turkeys that live over there are we can hear those 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:43.000 turkeys and see them, but they're not are but they 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:46.280 weren't in our They weren't in our world. Yeah, Kalin, 0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:48.319 I did not have that experience. You didn't feel that 0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:50.600 well that I'm not being the Yeah, well, I'm not 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:52.759 being the reality. But that was my like perception of it, 0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:55.200 to see turkeys over there and like, ha, you know, 0:54:56.880 --> 0:54:59.359 grand it's too bad that they're over there and we're 0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:01.359 over here, because what turkey his right mind would ever 0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:04.600 walk across that. And we hunt around all morning and 0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:07.319 have some here scattered gobbles and all of sudden. Look, 0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:11.400 and here's two times that had in the middle of 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:15.440 the day flown across the river. And everybody knows turkeys 0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:18.200 don't fly, they don't like to fly, and they don't 0:55:18.239 --> 0:55:20.920 cross water. They don't fly across the rivers. They flew 0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:23.799 across the river just for whatever, because we're over there, 0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:25.719 I'd like to think of because we were calling near 0:55:25.760 --> 0:55:29.000 the bank of the river, flew across the river and 0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:33.120 then we're walking across the Mojave in such a way 0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:35.160 that we had all the time in the world to 0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:40.160 go set up, uh, to go set up where they 0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:43.879 were gonna hit our bank, because this is the rivers, 0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:47.399 the property line. The other thing messing with my head 0:55:47.600 --> 0:55:50.120 is there's the dead deer hanging there. We're like right 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:53.440 by the dead deer and the impenetrable fence. And then 0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:56.319 I got like, oh, sure they'd crossed the river, but 0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:59.600 they'll definitely hang up. But did that fence half of 0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:03.720 lower tight strands they had low? Yeah, you couldn't crawl 0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:06.560 under this fence. Was that look that you were on 0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:12.279 later the next day with Danielle Daniell, same fence? Yeah, Yeah, 0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:14.000 that was that was had a low wire. You couldn't 0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:16.319 get under it. You had to scour around for a 0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:18.880 way to get to get to get under the fence. 0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:20.880 And we always had to go over that fence. It 0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:22.600 had a low wire. And then I mean it's in 0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:27.840 my head that like, somehow the turkeys will not like 0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:31.000 that fence. But we get set up as being the photographer, 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:34.920 We get set up to call, and I've already got 0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:39.200 my gutt knife out because like two times no hands 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:42.319 coming across that thing. And like I said, I I 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:45.360 feel as though I'd like to think it was related 0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:47.520 to the fact that we were working this little road 0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:49.400 down there calling. I like to feel it's all They're like, oh, 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:50.640 there's a lot of action over there. We're gonna go 0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:54.440 check it out. So we get set up and um, 0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:57.719 I'm and and and I put out a decoy in 0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:01.560 the road, not knowing the would ended right next to me, 0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:04.200 because I'm thinking, as the turkey's coming, if they can 0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:06.840 get over the fence, they'll look down the road and 0:57:06.880 --> 0:57:09.359 see the dcoin and come down the road and guess, 0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:10.920 like it all set up, I'm aim in that direction. 0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:14.160 And then instead of the fence somehow stopping the turkeys. 0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:15.960 The next time they gobbled there like already on the 0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:18.480 other side of the fence, like they didn't even register 0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:21.160 the presence of the fence, jumped it. I don't know 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:24.120 what they did. I didn't care about the river, didn't 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:27.439 care about the fence, didn't see the decoy, and they 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:34.560 wind up right next to us. Out of you. Uh, drumming, God, 0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:38.000 I love that sound. Do you feel though, that those 0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:41.240 birds were responding to you? They were just kind of 0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:43.400 doing anything you could turn them. It was like throwing 0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:45.919 a light switch. You just make them gobble. At this point, 0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:49.640 they're hot and hot, but they were just like it's 0:57:49.680 --> 0:57:53.920 like yep, yep, yep every time out of reach, the 0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:58.000 out of sight when when you hear it's not really 0:57:58.040 --> 0:58:03.120 true when you can hear them drumming, they're close. But 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:05.440 I just but like last weekend we heard some drumming. 0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:09.480 It was not close. Really heard him drums from just 0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:14.640 well out of shotgun range. Oh yeah, if you know 0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:17.960 what to the sound is and what you're listening for, 0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:20.240 you can hear him at sub a hundred. You always 0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:22.240 need to say, I feel like I hear one drumming. 0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:27.280 Are they just like expanding their diaphragms, like they're vibrating 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:30.560 the fathers and holding them tight. You ever, when you 0:58:30.640 --> 0:58:34.560 kill a bird, uh, when you kill turkey, harvest him, 0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:36.320 you ever knows how his feathers are all warned, his 0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:40.560 primaries are worn down because they also like walk around 0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:43.680 and like leave those little scratch marks. That's a great 0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:48.040 way to tell if you're in a good area. Marks. Yeah, 0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:50.560 But when he's drumming, he's just going. It's similar to 0:58:50.560 --> 0:58:57.480 a rough growls and roads man liked so many times. 0:58:57.480 --> 0:59:01.440 Probably just put that on your list of turkey reassurances. 0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:05.800 It's like, you know, you may not want to leave 0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:09.560 the road. Turkeys they can't help themselves. No, they'd like 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:11.920 to see what's going on around him. They'd like to 0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:13.479 get out in the road. They're like the walk roads, 0:59:13.600 --> 0:59:16.200 like the strutting roads. I mean, he's not gonna strutting 0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:19.280 a briar patch. He likes to get out and display. 0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:28.120 But he's drumming, Yanni, do your drum noise. See I 0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:33.000 go like this just spitting a little back. He spit, 0:59:33.280 --> 0:59:38.240 you know, and it's like the most that that is. 0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:41.040 If I could have just one part of turkey hunting. 0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:43.160 A lot of people would be like the gobble spring thunder. 0:59:45.320 --> 0:59:48.240 It's a powerful noise. It's a powerful noise. If I 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:51.080 could have one part of turkey hunting in pill form, 0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:53.600 that I could just take the pill and get the feeling. 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:57.760 It would be the feeling of when he's goblin and 0:59:57.840 --> 1:00:01.000 goblin and he stops gobbling and you wonder what happened, 1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:04.760 and you like he spooked something and then all of 1:00:04.800 --> 1:00:09.479 a sudden. If you could get that in a pill, 1:00:09.520 --> 1:00:11.400 I would be addicted to that pill. Did you should 1:00:11.400 --> 1:00:16.880 sneak up behind me in the office, guys? That's the 1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:20.040 spring thunder. I told you about that ranch. Uh, it's 1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:24.200 actually here in Montana. The first time, Uh, I went 1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:28.439 out there, there were so many turkeys. I just got 1:00:28.520 --> 1:00:32.040 up early, got up on this little ridge, you know, 1:00:32.040 --> 1:00:35.320 and it's like a series of small hills and ridges 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:43.880 eastern Montana, and he hit diaphragm call and then it 1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:46.960 was like whoa, and then that would que the next 1:00:47.080 --> 1:00:49.120 ridge and the next ridge and the next ridge, and 1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:51.439 it was that was the way it was in my mind. 1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:56.120 That's rolling. That's that's my other favorite thing. When you 1:00:56.400 --> 1:00:58.200 hit like you hit a crow call or something and 1:00:58.240 --> 1:01:02.720 you get a shock able and then other girls too. 1:01:02.800 --> 1:01:08.680 I'm the man, I'm a man. Uh. So they're drumming 1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:10.360 right next to us, and I got this photographer with me. 1:01:11.480 --> 1:01:17.280 So nice guy, real excited, like he likes to hunt. 1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:18.960 That's how I knew I was gonna like him right away, 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:21.080 because he was like out there to hunt turkeys. He 1:01:21.240 --> 1:01:23.000 was like you could tell if you said to him 1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:25.400 you could have hunting or taking pictures, he'd probably go hunt. 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:30.680 He'd go with hunting. It's my feeling. Um. The turkeys 1:01:30.720 --> 1:01:34.680 circle around, drum and drum and drumming, and all of 1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:39.080 a sudden they're in the photographer's lap and I have 1:01:39.160 --> 1:01:41.840 to change my position and I'm not able, like I'm 1:01:41.920 --> 1:01:44.920 real nervous about what kind of shot I'm gonna have 1:01:45.480 --> 1:01:47.720 until these turkeys because they're circling the calling trying to 1:01:47.720 --> 1:01:49.720 figure out where's the hand, wears the hand, and they're 1:01:49.760 --> 1:01:52.120 in his lap, and all of a sudden, you hear 1:01:52.120 --> 1:01:56.640 the noise that no turkey hunter likes to hear. Ah, 1:01:58.200 --> 1:02:01.760 And that's his way of saying something is not right. 1:02:02.200 --> 1:02:10.040 That's like huh huh, what what what huh? He starts 1:02:10.080 --> 1:02:13.760 doing that business, and then he gets faster when he 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:17.720 gets faster, and if his head was blue or white, 1:02:17.880 --> 1:02:20.919 like he's excited, all of a sudden, it's red. He's 1:02:20.920 --> 1:02:27.760 got his head up. He wrecked his snood changes. The 1:02:27.840 --> 1:02:31.040 color change is an amazing to witness. One of the 1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:33.600 craziest things in the outdoors in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:37.280 it's the greatest thing in the world. Changes. Color goes red. 1:02:37.400 --> 1:02:41.760 It's trouble, he goes And then I got interrupted, just 1:02:41.800 --> 1:02:45.680 follow ups that he's been doing a little bit. Yeah, 1:02:45.760 --> 1:02:47.439 I was gonna say, I've been thinking about that word 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:51.280 drumming and spitting. Everything I'm reading is saying that the 1:02:52.240 --> 1:02:57.320 the spit which comes first is actually from his mouth um, 1:02:57.600 --> 1:03:00.440 and then the drum is actually him forcing air up 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:05.080 through from his diaphragm. No, it's not him doing his 1:03:05.200 --> 1:03:09.080 wings really, and a lot of people say that that, 1:03:09.280 --> 1:03:11.640 you know, obviously it's his tracting hands. What are you 1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:13.320 looking at the truth about turkeys? Or is this a 1:03:13.400 --> 1:03:17.800 legit website. I've been before from dot com to a 1:03:17.960 --> 1:03:27.840 state agency website. His his his is is air. He's 1:03:27.880 --> 1:03:30.960 forcing No, yeah, he's not doing that with his wings. 1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:35.640 You mean you mean he's not doing like a rough 1:03:35.720 --> 1:03:38.200 grouse when he's dragging him. No, he's not the ground, 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:40.200 he's not the rough grouse. So I gotta point out 1:03:40.320 --> 1:03:44.000 is the same way, ma'am. They're built. They have the 1:03:44.120 --> 1:03:47.360 little wattle up there, a little pocket rough crouse drums, 1:03:47.600 --> 1:03:50.920 he's drumming, he's beating his wings, and it sounds like 1:03:51.000 --> 1:03:55.160 someone trying to get a lawnmower started. Yeah, but there's 1:03:55.160 --> 1:03:57.800 gotta be somemar involved in that too, right, Yeah, he 1:03:57.880 --> 1:04:01.160 puffs up. Yeah, and he's a Spellings married. I'd be 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:04.120 willing to wager because when you find him, they have 1:04:04.200 --> 1:04:07.920 that throat, sack is puffed up to it. When you 1:04:08.080 --> 1:04:10.240 hear way off in the distance someone trying to get 1:04:10.280 --> 1:04:13.680 a lawnmore started con degenerator because what it always was 1:04:13.760 --> 1:04:17.680 to me like doing he's on his log. He's on 1:04:17.760 --> 1:04:21.160 his drumming log. Do you know that they feel that 1:04:21.240 --> 1:04:25.560 that's a limiting factor in rough grouse populations. Suitable drumming log. 1:04:27.120 --> 1:04:30.280 He's got to have a drumming log, see whatever, he's 1:04:30.280 --> 1:04:33.000 gotta have a like to have a rough grouse set 1:04:33.080 --> 1:04:35.360 up a spot, to have a mail set up shop. 1:04:36.120 --> 1:04:38.520 He needs to have a drumming log at a specific height, 1:04:38.880 --> 1:04:41.480 and he needs to have a specific diameter, a perimeter 1:04:41.880 --> 1:04:45.360 of visible ground around it, and absent that like you 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:48.800 can you can manipulate rough grouse numbers in an area 1:04:49.160 --> 1:04:53.120 by creating suitable drumming logs. That's awesome. He needs to 1:04:53.240 --> 1:04:55.640 find where he can get the right height and see 1:04:55.720 --> 1:04:57.760 around him and make sure it's safe around him to 1:04:57.880 --> 1:05:02.400 then get up there and start going. Yes, I feel 1:05:02.400 --> 1:05:04.240 like I should do an album of all the animal 1:05:04.320 --> 1:05:07.480 noises that I know how to do. You know, you 1:05:07.520 --> 1:05:10.000 can sell it as like a sleep aid, like a 1:05:10.400 --> 1:05:19.320 white noise generator, and me going to remember that you 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:22.120 would just be a very and now rough and now 1:05:24.200 --> 1:05:29.960 um not a monkey, and now a dazzle of zebras. 1:05:30.560 --> 1:05:35.600 So oh, I thought, tell my hunting story and don't 1:05:35.600 --> 1:05:37.880 want to get around to the word that we need 1:05:37.960 --> 1:05:40.040 to revisit. And then I want to hear your hunting stories. 1:05:40.160 --> 1:05:44.680 So he's like, and I think a lot of turkey 1:05:44.720 --> 1:05:47.560 hunters if you were a super moral turkey hunter, I 1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:53.320 feel that you would not shoot the turkey. Like do 1:05:53.400 --> 1:05:56.720 you think Parker Hall would shoot a turkey that had 1:05:56.720 --> 1:05:59.040 started to put? Oh my gosh, yes, if he was 1:05:59.080 --> 1:06:01.680 in range, Ah you do? Oh yeah, he thinks it's 1:06:01.680 --> 1:06:04.280 im moral to shoot a turkey using a decoy. Yeah, 1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:06.360 but you think he thinks it's moral to shoot a 1:06:06.360 --> 1:06:11.480 turkey that's putting just because he's busted you, Parker Hall 1:06:11.520 --> 1:06:13.520 thinks it's im moral to shoot a turkey. He thinks 1:06:13.560 --> 1:06:16.160 there's a special place to Hell for people who use 1:06:16.200 --> 1:06:22.760 turkey decoys. Well, we're all here from Georgie about turkey decoys. 1:06:22.800 --> 1:06:26.760 And his answer was, I don't want to go to Hell. Now, 1:06:27.040 --> 1:06:32.880 he's from a state with a rich, deep turkey hunting history. Yeah, 1:06:32.920 --> 1:06:34.960 I'm not hunting a lot of them states. I've never 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:37.720 heard that. It's like he puts it. Man, does he 1:06:37.800 --> 1:06:43.160 call to him, like, shouldn't it be the same, He wouldn't. No, 1:06:43.280 --> 1:06:46.160 I mean it's not anywhere near the same, because, like 1:06:46.280 --> 1:06:49.760 he points it too, It's like, when there were no decoys, 1:06:50.120 --> 1:06:52.480 you had to be a damn fine turkey hunter and 1:06:52.560 --> 1:06:57.400 a damn fine caller to kill turkeys. Decoys came out 1:06:57.880 --> 1:07:03.840 in every Joe Schmo out there was starting to killing birds. Yeah, 1:07:04.120 --> 1:07:07.240 and I'm sorry, I like, I totally I agree with them. 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:09.919 I use decoys. I'm trying a bunch of different kinds 1:07:09.960 --> 1:07:12.000 of decoys this season so I can speak to it 1:07:12.120 --> 1:07:16.400 from experience? Do they give me an incredible advantage? Yes, 1:07:16.680 --> 1:07:20.400 I just don't know what I got too so far. No, 1:07:20.800 --> 1:07:24.360 they've seen what the ones I'm talking about never saw 1:07:24.440 --> 1:07:29.360 the decoy your Texas hunt. You're the one the all 1:07:29.600 --> 1:07:33.840 sweet talking, all sweet talking is using a fan like 1:07:33.960 --> 1:07:35.800 the next level, like a real like the one that 1:07:35.880 --> 1:07:40.840 you made. That's if you're If Hell has solitary confinement, 1:07:40.960 --> 1:07:43.800 that's where you're at. What happens in Hell's that they're 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:47.840 able to calculate the temperature of Hell because the description 1:07:47.880 --> 1:07:51.680 of Hell talks about a brimstone in a certain state, 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:54.600 and so I think you can tell, like very precisely 1:07:54.680 --> 1:07:56.760 how hot Hell is. That's good. That'd be good to 1:07:56.840 --> 1:07:59.880 know because that's apparently where we're going for Yeah, I 1:08:00.120 --> 1:08:03.760 think that using a Turkey fan, even though I do it, 1:08:04.320 --> 1:08:06.400 I feel that if this is true, if Parker Hall 1:08:06.480 --> 1:08:09.840 is correct, I feel that that's that's you go to 1:08:09.960 --> 1:08:13.320 Hell and then into solitary confinement, not allowed to be 1:08:13.400 --> 1:08:16.200 with the other people in Hell, like Parker Hall is 1:08:16.240 --> 1:08:19.240 kind of. I was like, listen, man, I drive a car, 1:08:19.720 --> 1:08:21.880 like it's way easier to get to town nowadays in 1:08:21.920 --> 1:08:24.000 a car, are you driving a horse and buggy Like 1:08:25.320 --> 1:08:28.320 as time goes on, we're as humans. We take the 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:31.559 advantages that we're given technology. What if I told you here, 1:08:31.760 --> 1:08:34.799 take this here corn, stirred up with this here sedative 1:08:35.240 --> 1:08:37.000 and sprinkle that out and in the morning go out 1:08:37.040 --> 1:08:39.040 and pick up your turkeys. Would you be like, oh, yeah, 1:08:39.040 --> 1:08:41.439 it's like driving a car to work. Starting to sound 1:08:41.479 --> 1:08:46.280 like you kill a turkey with a drone. Well you're yeah, 1:08:46.320 --> 1:08:47.960 you're talking about stuff that I know you don't believe. 1:08:48.520 --> 1:08:51.240 Maybe maybe you got me I think about it more. 1:08:51.240 --> 1:08:54.759 I'm coming at you later. Maybe the future get defense 1:08:54.880 --> 1:08:57.560 right and you hot wire super high voltage so that 1:08:57.680 --> 1:09:00.280 every animal that hits the fence dies and go out 1:09:00.280 --> 1:09:01.640 in the morning pick them all up. Because if we 1:09:01.720 --> 1:09:06.760 just wanted to version baits, bait the ditch, bait the ditch, 1:09:06.960 --> 1:09:10.240 wait till all average, we could we had four tags each, 1:09:10.439 --> 1:09:12.800 wait till four times are in the ditch eating that bait, 1:09:12.880 --> 1:09:15.559 and then sit. I'm talking about you know, I'm talking 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:19.880 about a subtle change taking into the extreme. I'm talking 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:22.120 about a subtle change in the approach to turkey hunting 1:09:22.160 --> 1:09:25.480 and or a subtle change the process. It's an efficacy 1:09:25.600 --> 1:09:28.840 question or excusely what you're talking about. You're talking about 1:09:28.840 --> 1:09:31.080 some old timey business that people aren't going to know about. 1:09:31.800 --> 1:09:35.360 Oh yeah, you can read about it in uh in 1:09:35.720 --> 1:09:41.880 UH tenth Legion tenth Legion uh Tom Kelly's book. He 1:09:42.000 --> 1:09:45.639 talks about colonel Colonel Tom Kelly. One of the ways 1:09:45.720 --> 1:09:49.559 that they shot out turkeys is when pop hunters meet hunters, 1:09:49.560 --> 1:09:53.880 I think he calls them, would bait. They dig a ditch. 1:09:54.080 --> 1:09:56.519 There was maybe a photo or eighteen inches deep. They 1:09:56.680 --> 1:09:59.280 bait it with corn for a while, and then on 1:09:59.360 --> 1:10:03.960 the day that they wanted to reap harvest turkeys not reaping. 1:10:04.040 --> 1:10:05.880 That's where you take a fan and walk up on 1:10:06.000 --> 1:10:08.040 him with a pistol. They would sit at the end 1:10:08.120 --> 1:10:10.960 of the ditch, maybe five ten yards off it, looking 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:13.800 down the ditch, so that once all the turkeys were 1:10:13.840 --> 1:10:16.360 in their feeding and you can make one call, all 1:10:16.439 --> 1:10:18.160 of them would lift up their heads and with one 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:21.360 shot you could rake across all of their heads and 1:10:21.439 --> 1:10:24.280 then fill a gunstack phone walk home. Very efficient, it's 1:10:25.320 --> 1:10:32.599 very efficient. No, no, let's go, let's go. So well, 1:10:32.600 --> 1:10:34.960 I'm talking about a subtle that's like using a decoy, 1:10:35.040 --> 1:10:37.560 is a subtle change in turkey hunting tactics. It's a 1:10:37.640 --> 1:10:40.280 subtle like it's it's a it's a move forward, so 1:10:40.479 --> 1:10:43.160 subtle you could do without. Though, yeah, it's a it's 1:10:43.240 --> 1:10:46.200 it's a slight move forward in turkey hunting tactics because 1:10:46.200 --> 1:10:48.160 you're not it's not filling a ditch with corn much 1:10:48.200 --> 1:10:51.000 in the same way. I'm getting this analogy much in 1:10:51.080 --> 1:10:53.880 the same way that using a horse and buggy to 1:10:53.960 --> 1:10:56.040 get to get to town is a whole lot different 1:10:56.040 --> 1:10:58.799 than using a car to get to town. To subtle 1:10:58.920 --> 1:11:01.759 change in the way that inveyance. So there's my analogy 1:11:02.240 --> 1:11:04.000 now here. Well, here's what I was saying the other day, 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:06.920 because I I there day not on you were with me. 1:11:07.040 --> 1:11:09.560 Now totally with you, because I'm gonna come in and 1:11:09.640 --> 1:11:11.680 say that I'm gonna come in out. I'm gonna come 1:11:11.680 --> 1:11:15.360 toward you on this. They're not the turkey I'm trying 1:11:15.400 --> 1:11:18.559 to talk about. I remember that story is left where 1:11:18.640 --> 1:11:22.200 he's going and there's a photographer standing next to him. Um, 1:11:24.960 --> 1:11:30.840 last weekend, I got a turkey using a fan. I 1:11:30.920 --> 1:11:33.880 couldn't move a turkey. He was with a whole horde 1:11:33.920 --> 1:11:36.640 of hands and he was not gonna but he was 1:11:36.680 --> 1:11:39.400 at the time of his life. He was in the Turkey. 1:11:39.439 --> 1:11:41.639 He was in a situation that Turkey's dream about being 1:11:41.720 --> 1:11:45.880 in this Turkey was not gonna move and they were 1:11:45.920 --> 1:11:51.040 moving away. And I took a Turkey fan from the 1:11:51.120 --> 1:11:54.280 Turkey that I'm trying to tell the story about which 1:11:54.320 --> 1:11:57.200 I took the fan off, and the photographer showed me 1:11:57.280 --> 1:12:01.280 a phenomenal trick of how to the fan off so 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:03.559 that it becomes like an actual fan that you can 1:12:03.640 --> 1:12:07.880 fold up and spread out and fold up and spread out. Dude, 1:12:08.600 --> 1:12:11.880 it was the would normally do it. Yeah, it is. 1:12:12.000 --> 1:12:14.160 There's an other joint. Normally, when you cut it off, 1:12:14.200 --> 1:12:17.600 you cut it off at the Roman nose. Cut it 1:12:17.640 --> 1:12:19.280 off at not the Roman nos. You cut it off 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:23.720 at the pope's nose. He's like, no, you If you 1:12:23.800 --> 1:12:28.320 go above the pope's nose, there's like he's got eighteen 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:31.160 tail feathers, there's like eighteen. It looks like when you're 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:33.360 separating the ribs on a deer, not sawing through him, 1:12:33.400 --> 1:12:37.960 but popping the joints. There's like eighteen little teeny joints 1:12:40.040 --> 1:12:43.400 above the pope's nose and you cut there and then 1:12:43.439 --> 1:12:46.080 when you mount your fan. I used some I mounted 1:12:46.160 --> 1:12:52.479 my fan. Okay, you know Ronnie Bam, Yeah, I had 1:12:52.479 --> 1:12:59.120 a tremendous impact on my life. Ronnie Bam fixes old company, 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:01.720 Yeah he has it. If Ronnie Bam affected me, and 1:13:01.760 --> 1:13:05.960 he affects the bottom line of Miller. So Ronnie Baam 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:11.760 gets frustrated by shitty coolers like Coleman coolers, because what 1:13:11.880 --> 1:13:15.360 always fails on a Coleman cooler hinges. And yeah, Ronnie 1:13:15.400 --> 1:13:19.120 Bam is a mill right by trade, so he deals 1:13:19.160 --> 1:13:24.720 a lot of conveyor material. Convey material turns out is 1:13:25.000 --> 1:13:29.400 wonderful for repairing things. So Ronnie Bam always calls around 1:13:29.520 --> 1:13:34.200 hunks a conveyor and when his cooler fails, he makes 1:13:34.240 --> 1:13:36.920 a hinge out of conveyor belt material. You just put 1:13:37.000 --> 1:13:39.120 the lid on how you want it. Take the conveyor 1:13:39.160 --> 1:13:42.080 belt material and screw or bolt it to the lid 1:13:42.400 --> 1:13:44.960 into the body of the cooler. And I don't care 1:13:44.960 --> 1:13:47.360 if World War three happens on top of that cooler, 1:13:48.320 --> 1:13:51.080 that hinge will still be there. The cooler might be melted, 1:13:51.160 --> 1:13:54.520 the hinge will be there, intact and fine. It's indestructible. 1:13:55.280 --> 1:13:58.400 I had a hunk of conveyor belt material laying around. 1:14:00.240 --> 1:14:02.439 But I switched away from shitty coolers, so now I 1:14:02.520 --> 1:14:06.000 just have a conveyor belt material and YETI coolers. So 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:08.680 I took my fan and cut it the way the 1:14:08.720 --> 1:14:10.920 photographer Austin showed me. How What the hell is his name, 1:14:10.960 --> 1:14:13.880 Austin Stapleton? Like that guy, I cut it the way 1:14:13.880 --> 1:14:18.600 Austin Stapleton showed me, and then drilled a hole and 1:14:18.760 --> 1:14:21.120 mounted it on a conveyor belt handle, which has a 1:14:21.280 --> 1:14:25.920 very natural flop to it, and it's very limber and 1:14:26.320 --> 1:14:29.439 looks super realistic when you twist it, and it's ultra light. 1:14:29.920 --> 1:14:33.479 It's an ultra light Turkey fan, and I collapses. So 1:14:33.560 --> 1:14:36.240 I can take my fan and go fold it up. 1:14:38.080 --> 1:14:40.000 And then when I get ready, and I tightened it. 1:14:40.080 --> 1:14:42.479 I tightened it up just right with a screw. Where 1:14:42.520 --> 1:14:45.320 when I get ready, I opened it like a lady 1:14:45.360 --> 1:14:50.120 in a Western opening her fan up a floozy in 1:14:50.200 --> 1:14:56.720 a Western, and opened the fan up and it stays open. Man, 1:14:56.760 --> 1:15:00.519 I can't borrow that, sure, thank you? Where was I? 1:15:01.680 --> 1:15:04.280 So here's here's the here's the thing. Here's the thing, 1:15:04.360 --> 1:15:06.200 and I'm gonna be done well. I gotta tell my 1:15:06.280 --> 1:15:07.880 story real quick and I gotta talk about thing. I'll 1:15:07.920 --> 1:15:11.080 keep on talk about the day I'm sneaking up with 1:15:11.200 --> 1:15:13.320 this fan on a turkey that won't budge, and I'm 1:15:13.360 --> 1:15:15.960 just using the fan to block my view and he's 1:15:16.000 --> 1:15:18.920 actually posturing toward my fan. And I eventually snaked my 1:15:19.000 --> 1:15:22.600 shotgun barrel literally through the feathers of the fan and 1:15:22.720 --> 1:15:24.240 wait for the hens to get clear. I couldn't shoo 1:15:24.240 --> 1:15:25.880 because he had all his hands. Eventually the hands got clear, 1:15:25.880 --> 1:15:28.640 and I shot turkey. And I'm feeling guilty about it. 1:15:28.920 --> 1:15:32.280 But then I'm like, you're using an actual like what 1:15:32.439 --> 1:15:36.439 could be pure? You're using the feathers from a turkey 1:15:38.520 --> 1:15:43.280 two go after a turkey. It's not plastic, it's not rubber. 1:15:43.520 --> 1:15:47.160 You made it yourself, you devised your own. You're using 1:15:47.320 --> 1:15:51.960 bio like, you're using like bio mimicry. How is that 1:15:52.120 --> 1:15:57.000 not pure? But it's pure. It's like purer to have 1:15:57.200 --> 1:16:02.200 some rubber factory produced turkey ac simile on a steel 1:16:02.280 --> 1:16:05.479 stake driven into the ground. But it's it's less pure 1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:08.560 to like take the bird's own feathers and use it 1:16:08.880 --> 1:16:11.519 in fashion a device by which you can go get 1:16:11.560 --> 1:16:14.599 another bringing into this whole purity scale. I haven't said 1:16:14.600 --> 1:16:17.439 anything about that. I'm more taught just talking about this 1:16:17.560 --> 1:16:20.280 fight up efficacy. Yeah, I'm just rastling with the whole thing, 1:16:20.360 --> 1:16:22.920 is all Yanni. Okay, Well, I think you know, because 1:16:22.960 --> 1:16:25.719 there's some people that think any sort of blind hunting 1:16:26.800 --> 1:16:31.320 is unethical. There's people, but not people have been doing 1:16:31.400 --> 1:16:36.160 that for thousands of years. It's not I keep using ethics. Ethics. 1:16:36.200 --> 1:16:38.800 I was gonna say, it's not quite personal. How I like, 1:16:38.960 --> 1:16:41.080 I would not want to. I have never and would 1:16:41.120 --> 1:16:43.040 not want to unless I was with my kids shoot 1:16:43.080 --> 1:16:44.680 a turkey out of a pop up blind. I've never 1:16:44.760 --> 1:16:47.160 done it. Yeah, I would only do it with my kids. 1:16:47.320 --> 1:16:50.960 But if we're being honest, like hunting right now is 1:16:52.000 --> 1:16:54.160 just a lot of different forms of how we prefer 1:16:54.320 --> 1:16:58.320 to hunt, it's preference versus ethics, Like it's an ethics 1:16:58.360 --> 1:17:00.760 when I think about turkey, any ethics go too? Am 1:17:00.760 --> 1:17:02.640 I using a bow or a shotgun? I'm using a 1:17:02.640 --> 1:17:05.080 shotgun every single time I possibly can, because I feel 1:17:05.080 --> 1:17:07.840 like it's ethically a better way to get the job done. 1:17:08.040 --> 1:17:12.200 Wound lost with severe be on turkey sovera. I've seen 1:17:12.280 --> 1:17:14.599 some of the best archers that we know in modern 1:17:14.720 --> 1:17:18.160 hunting times wound turkeys three or four of them in 1:17:18.240 --> 1:17:21.160 one hunt. So I know some really good bowl hunters 1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:23.240 that did a lot of turkey bow hunting. Eventuallys were like, 1:17:23.280 --> 1:17:26.120 it's just I switched back to Actually I've two or 1:17:26.160 --> 1:17:28.120 three years straight just hunt with a bow. And I'm like, no, no, 1:17:28.520 --> 1:17:31.719 there's no unless it's archery only season and the birds 1:17:31.760 --> 1:17:34.080 are fired up, I'm staying home. I just it's got 1:17:34.160 --> 1:17:36.880 to be a shotgun for me. That's ethical. But the preference, 1:17:36.920 --> 1:17:39.800 so I'm like, you hunting a blind, like being out 1:17:39.840 --> 1:17:41.479 in the springtime turkey hunting, you want to like have 1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:44.360 your full senses, your full set of senses. It's like 1:17:44.680 --> 1:17:46.320 the woods are alive for the first time in a 1:17:46.360 --> 1:17:48.439 long time. I want my full set of senses. I 1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:50.880 don't want to be sitting in a tent, sitting over 1:17:50.920 --> 1:17:52.479 a plastic Yeah, that's what it feels like to me, 1:17:53.120 --> 1:17:56.000 like just sitting against a tree. I don't see. Yeah, 1:17:56.040 --> 1:17:58.360 and that's what And there's no again, It's like, there's 1:17:58.400 --> 1:18:00.880 where the preference in the ethics thing. Ohs, I prefer 1:18:01.080 --> 1:18:02.639 not to hunt with a bow because with a bow 1:18:02.680 --> 1:18:04.559 he should probably be in a blind or it's better 1:18:04.640 --> 1:18:06.479 to be in a blind. Ethically, I don't want with 1:18:06.560 --> 1:18:08.599 a bow because it's it's a less effective killing tool. 1:18:08.800 --> 1:18:11.760 So both of those things are happening simultaneously. For me, 1:18:12.240 --> 1:18:15.160 comes to turkeys, it's yeah, it's like it's so much 1:18:15.240 --> 1:18:17.360 like I use a shotgun, which is easy. It's easy 1:18:17.400 --> 1:18:20.960 to kill a turkey's shotgun. Uh. I like to sit 1:18:21.040 --> 1:18:23.679 in trees or like like lean against the tree because 1:18:23.680 --> 1:18:25.320 I don't like that feeling of being in a blind, 1:18:26.680 --> 1:18:28.400 and then I'd move around a lot turkey on. So 1:18:28.439 --> 1:18:30.200 I don't want to drag the blind around. But if 1:18:30.240 --> 1:18:32.200 I saw a guy in a pop up blind with 1:18:32.360 --> 1:18:34.880 a bow, two things I don't do, do I feel like, oh, 1:18:35.000 --> 1:18:36.719 he's not all be like, no, he just has different 1:18:36.760 --> 1:18:39.280 personal preference. There's nothing to do with like like I 1:18:39.400 --> 1:18:42.559 keep saying moral because of my own I'm always saying 1:18:42.600 --> 1:18:44.600 moral because like the own feeling I get if I 1:18:44.760 --> 1:18:50.240 call a turkey in like a turkey like purity. The 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:52.640 thing that they're gonna be most proud of is that 1:18:52.760 --> 1:18:56.040 there's no decoy and you hear a gobble way off 1:18:56.560 --> 1:18:59.880 two in the afternoon or no, it would be this, 1:19:00.560 --> 1:19:02.920 it's two in the afternoon, there's no decoy, and you 1:19:03.120 --> 1:19:05.599 shock gobble up a turkey yet two in the afternoon, 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:09.160 and then you gradually coax him into shotgun range and 1:19:09.240 --> 1:19:15.200 he comes in and he's strutting. That is the pinnacle 1:19:15.240 --> 1:19:18.160 of turkey hunting, sprinkled with a few gobbles. A few gobbles, 1:19:18.240 --> 1:19:22.000 you get him hot, you get him like that to 1:19:22.120 --> 1:19:25.599 me is like wow, well there's some every version that's 1:19:25.680 --> 1:19:29.120 less than that. It's not as it's it's not as 1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:32.320 exciting to me. There's a perfect combination of the amount 1:19:32.360 --> 1:19:34.880 of time he's allowed to strutt within your sight and 1:19:34.920 --> 1:19:38.120 then shooting him like if he if he comes rolling 1:19:38.160 --> 1:19:40.040 in behind a tree like a turkey, boom, shoot him. 1:19:40.080 --> 1:19:41.960 It's not the same level of purity is if he 1:19:42.080 --> 1:19:45.559 comes in, spits, drums, struts back and forth, is looking 1:19:45.600 --> 1:19:51.920 around you stay still and give the bird that um 1:19:53.320 --> 1:19:57.120 I definitely had. Can you hold off because you're not 1:19:57.120 --> 1:19:59.000 it's not your turn to tell your hunt story. I 1:19:59.080 --> 1:20:01.320 want to hear the whole thing, Okay, but it's gotta 1:20:01.320 --> 1:20:03.880 finish two quick things up. Yeah, I'll start with a 1:20:04.479 --> 1:20:08.160 description of Stephen Rinella as prowess in the woods. However 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:11.240 you want to do it, Uh, so the bird putts 1:20:11.600 --> 1:20:13.960 and I have to actually wait for the bird to 1:20:14.120 --> 1:20:17.000 move away from the photographers. So the purity score is 1:20:17.040 --> 1:20:20.559 going down because who the hell hons with the photographer? Well, 1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:22.240 I do all the time. But that's like I can 1:20:22.320 --> 1:20:24.960 imagine Diana, the goddess of honey, being like wanting to 1:20:25.040 --> 1:20:28.080 hit me with lightning. So the birds moving away, he 1:20:28.160 --> 1:20:32.040 gets clear the photographer. Then I'm like, man, kind of 1:20:32.160 --> 1:20:34.479 dicey shot, but I get a nice shooting gap, like 1:20:35.280 --> 1:20:45.040 shoot turkey and he did piled up. Yes, yeah, I 1:20:45.120 --> 1:20:48.720 mean yeah, I don't know, man, those I've had a 1:20:48.800 --> 1:20:51.920 lot of flopping birds as in My first instinct after 1:20:51.960 --> 1:20:54.120 pulling the trigger is like get to your feet as 1:20:54.240 --> 1:20:57.160 fast as humanly possible and sprint to that bird. They 1:20:57.200 --> 1:20:59.599 will get up and leave. Yes, that's like the turkey hunting, 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:01.280 but that's like the thing you see. The trope is 1:21:01.320 --> 1:21:03.519 like you kill it and you run over immediately drop 1:21:03.640 --> 1:21:05.400 your gun to run over there. But I'll tell you, man, 1:21:05.600 --> 1:21:08.640 those turkey loads are dude for freekish. We'll get it 1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:12.640 to my story too. But I mean dropping turkeys and 1:21:12.720 --> 1:21:15.080 not even a twitch was your bird like that? I 1:21:15.120 --> 1:21:17.800 mean didn't even know he well, I got injured by him. 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:20.719 Oh when I say piled up me, he wasn't going anywhere, 1:21:20.720 --> 1:21:22.120 but I got. I ran over there and I got. 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:24.479 He was still scratched my eye on his wing when 1:21:24.479 --> 1:21:28.559 he's beating his wing. Um, But yeah, it is good. 1:21:29.000 --> 1:21:31.519 I don't know, man. The one you guys are speaking of, 1:21:31.680 --> 1:21:36.040 I'm assuming is the federal T S S, t s S, 1:21:36.400 --> 1:21:40.439 tungs and supershots. You guys are shooting the seventh seventh 1:21:40.520 --> 1:21:42.840 and it used to be like because the way it 1:21:42.960 --> 1:21:45.880 used to work is and I think some states still do. 1:21:46.000 --> 1:21:48.160 You're still not allowed to use sevens in some states, 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:50.360 or you're not allowed to use nines. No, I think 1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:53.120 it was when we I think who were we talking to? 1:21:53.320 --> 1:21:56.559 Was it going to Do or the Sportsman's Alliance guys, 1:21:56.760 --> 1:22:00.080 they both might have been working on that issue. Like 1:22:00.160 --> 1:22:04.439 the law was the rules the rules antiquated like they 1:22:04.680 --> 1:22:08.280 because they were. They had rules around shot like pellet 1:22:08.360 --> 1:22:13.040 size and for efficacy. But with the new like super 1:22:13.200 --> 1:22:20.880 fast like high velocity, high density tungsten shot, you can 1:22:20.960 --> 1:22:26.240 just put a bunch more pellets. So TSS the tungstens 1:22:26.240 --> 1:22:30.080 in the word right, tungsten supershotungs supershot, so you can 1:22:30.200 --> 1:22:35.040 use sevens nines hands, which we haven't tried yet, but 1:22:35.120 --> 1:22:37.920 I've definitely shot turkeys with the sevens and the nines. 1:22:38.000 --> 1:22:40.559 And another thing that you get from you going smaller 1:22:40.600 --> 1:22:43.800 shot size is you just get so many more pellets downrange. 1:22:44.240 --> 1:22:47.080 So we opened up some twenty gauge that was a 1:22:47.160 --> 1:22:49.360 mix of five six sevens and pour it out on 1:22:49.400 --> 1:22:52.599 some that was called third degree, yeah, and then right 1:22:52.680 --> 1:22:55.920 next to it opened up a nine with nines, and 1:22:55.960 --> 1:22:57.720 I mean you can just see it. It's just I mean, 1:22:58.160 --> 1:23:01.479 you're doubling, maybe tripling the amount of pellets going down 1:23:01.600 --> 1:23:05.240 range to one pellet to kill a bird. You know, 1:23:05.680 --> 1:23:07.360 I used to use third degree and liked it, but 1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:09.559 not I like that other stuff because you get really 1:23:10.240 --> 1:23:13.040 really dense patterns with that many pellets, and those things 1:23:13.080 --> 1:23:15.960 are zipping, yeah, and there's they're spending. You know a 1:23:16.040 --> 1:23:17.599 lot of people are gonna say, oh, man, that sucks 1:23:17.640 --> 1:23:19.800 too expensive for me. And look, man, if you're the 1:23:19.880 --> 1:23:23.360 guy that just rolls around his ranch and you know 1:23:23.439 --> 1:23:25.400 you're not gonna actually be turkey hunting, but if you 1:23:25.400 --> 1:23:27.200 see a turkey, can jump out and shoot him and 1:23:27.240 --> 1:23:28.920 then you can keep going about your work. You know, 1:23:29.040 --> 1:23:31.200 that's like the ranch Montana rancher type of a hunt 1:23:31.280 --> 1:23:34.280 right where you're just efficient as possible and spending money. 1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:37.720 But if you're gonna travel let's say more than an 1:23:37.800 --> 1:23:41.360 hour to go turkey hunting, and you're like worrying about 1:23:41.400 --> 1:23:44.479 whether you want to spend a dollar or fifty cents 1:23:44.520 --> 1:23:47.719 on a turkey shell versus the five or six bucks 1:23:48.520 --> 1:23:51.720 um or even higher for the tss IT ranges I'm 1:23:51.720 --> 1:23:53.840 looking at, and I think it's a new point. You 1:23:53.880 --> 1:23:55.880 could spend up to forty five bucks for a box, 1:23:56.360 --> 1:24:01.320 for a box of five nine bucks and you touch 1:24:01.400 --> 1:24:03.880 that trigger. Yeah, but how much is your turkey take 1:24:03.920 --> 1:24:06.000 and how much does your traveling on? How many actually use? 1:24:06.120 --> 1:24:08.280 I've shot two shots and killed two turkeys this year. 1:24:08.720 --> 1:24:10.559 They come in boxes of five. If you're using more 1:24:10.600 --> 1:24:12.120 than five in a year, you're having a good year. 1:24:12.360 --> 1:24:17.960 If once you pattern patterns, that's that That is where 1:24:18.000 --> 1:24:19.800 I would say it is expanded. You have a five 1:24:19.840 --> 1:24:22.800 shot pattern, that's uh. But I don't know, man. But 1:24:23.120 --> 1:24:26.559 with the tungsten, the confidence that I have right now 1:24:27.360 --> 1:24:32.599 shooting my set up jamming them, Yeah, yeah, I'm competent, 1:24:32.720 --> 1:24:36.880 far farther than I should be. I'm limiting myself because 1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:38.560 of like the new set up where it's like I 1:24:38.640 --> 1:24:40.439 don't need to shoot as far as I think I 1:24:40.600 --> 1:24:45.599 could with those loads. And you think like denser, right, 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:48.640 denser than traditional lead or traditional heavy shot. And so 1:24:49.160 --> 1:24:52.240 if you're getting less, you pull the trigger. They got 1:24:52.280 --> 1:24:55.599 these setback forces. You're getting less, you know, deformed pellets, 1:24:55.640 --> 1:24:58.320 and that's what causes flyers. So you have less flyers, 1:24:58.439 --> 1:25:01.960 a denser pattern, and we all pull axe turkeys like 1:25:02.680 --> 1:25:05.200 drop him on it, like on the spot. You know 1:25:05.240 --> 1:25:07.240 what's interesting is when I went over there after we 1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:09.160 got the bird tagged up, we're walking back and I 1:25:09.200 --> 1:25:10.800 realized there was a tree I didn't even register in 1:25:10.880 --> 1:25:12.559 my mind that had about a two and a half 1:25:12.640 --> 1:25:16.160 inch diameter and that tree looks like an absorbed half 1:25:16.240 --> 1:25:20.800 that load, but the other half went through. And yeah, 1:25:22.000 --> 1:25:25.240 now was my turkey hunt. Now, what did you want 1:25:25.280 --> 1:25:28.640 to say about my haircut? Oh? The word butch. Just 1:25:28.720 --> 1:25:30.800 the interesting thing from childhood that I didn't pay much 1:25:30.800 --> 1:25:33.719 attention to there was I grew up down the beach 1:25:34.880 --> 1:25:40.400 from a gay woman who would fish with my father 1:25:40.640 --> 1:25:44.240 and his friends. And she was elderly, and it's just 1:25:44.320 --> 1:25:47.880 the weirdest thing, and like troubles me and puzzles me 1:25:47.960 --> 1:25:53.240 now because I didn't even know what it meant at 1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:57.840 the time. They would call her, and she would call 1:25:57.960 --> 1:26:03.560 herself butcher. And my father and his friends were you know, 1:26:03.640 --> 1:26:07.920 World War two guys. I I do not think they 1:26:08.000 --> 1:26:11.320 would have Unfortunately, I do not think they would have 1:26:11.400 --> 1:26:15.280 been as accepting of a gay man that they hunted with, 1:26:15.840 --> 1:26:19.160 that they fished with. Probably not, but they were. They 1:26:19.200 --> 1:26:22.280 would walk with in the morning, walk dogs with, and 1:26:22.439 --> 1:26:26.560 fish with butch, but call her butch, which is a 1:26:26.640 --> 1:26:29.840 derogatory term for a gay woman. So it's a it's 1:26:29.840 --> 1:26:33.000 like a derogatory lesbian term. And I just like I 1:26:33.000 --> 1:26:34.760 would love to go back if I could go back 1:26:34.800 --> 1:26:37.960 on my brain now to understand like what that dynamic was, 1:26:38.400 --> 1:26:42.519 how she perceived the word, how it came to be 1:26:42.600 --> 1:26:47.519 that she would go by that nickname and ask those 1:26:47.560 --> 1:26:50.360 guys like what, because it was just so matter of fact, 1:26:50.960 --> 1:26:55.719 it was like, oh, yeah, the gay woman. I would 1:26:55.760 --> 1:26:59.520 imagine now that's still within the community, and again imagining 1:27:00.520 --> 1:27:05.160 that with amongst you still might call each other butch, 1:27:05.560 --> 1:27:09.360 yourself butch, but it's not something that someone outside of 1:27:09.479 --> 1:27:13.360 the community would call. Yeah, she was like like a buddy, 1:27:13.439 --> 1:27:15.360 like buddies with these guys, and so I don't know 1:27:15.439 --> 1:27:18.000 like what they're under just like you know, how words 1:27:18.040 --> 1:27:19.280 are used changed so much, like I don't know what 1:27:19.400 --> 1:27:21.720 they're understanding of. It was that they were they like, 1:27:21.840 --> 1:27:25.040 oh I shouldn't or they just like that's just a 1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:28.800 matter of fact. I have no idea. She was like 1:27:29.160 --> 1:27:32.400 accepted in that group and that's there. That's their acceptance 1:27:32.400 --> 1:27:35.240 of her was to call her that right, like, hey, butch, 1:27:35.600 --> 1:27:38.240 you're probably one of us now. But I imagine with 1:27:38.320 --> 1:27:41.040 all these types of terms in twenty nineteen as a 1:27:41.160 --> 1:27:43.960 less accepted Oh, if I could be if I was 1:27:44.240 --> 1:27:47.400 probably yeah, Like now, if I could go back in time, 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:50.320 I would go down and knock on the door and 1:27:50.560 --> 1:27:54.479 and be like, you know, uh, I'd like to discuss 1:27:54.520 --> 1:27:56.000 something with you because there's a thing that we all 1:27:56.080 --> 1:27:58.479 do that I want to understand better. She might say, well, 1:27:58.600 --> 1:28:00.920 I feel like I feel like that's one of the 1:28:00.960 --> 1:28:03.760 ways I can get accepted, and like if that's what 1:28:03.840 --> 1:28:07.120 I gotta go through to get accepted, that's fine. Maybe 1:28:07.439 --> 1:28:10.000 we had a what we talked about. I never retouched 1:28:10.080 --> 1:28:12.120 on this. But when we were down in Mexico, you 1:28:12.160 --> 1:28:14.280 guys are all there. No, I think you had you 1:28:14.479 --> 1:28:17.120 take you had to take off. Maybe we talked. A 1:28:17.240 --> 1:28:19.639 woman wrote in and she were talking about finding hunting partners. 1:28:19.640 --> 1:28:20.880 And a woman wrote in and she said, I'm a 1:28:20.960 --> 1:28:25.559 woman and I'm gay, and it makes it very hard 1:28:25.600 --> 1:28:27.519 for me to find people to hunt with. And I 1:28:27.600 --> 1:28:30.160 talked about that letter and we got I don't know 1:28:30.200 --> 1:28:34.160 how a dozen plus people writing in being like, I'll 1:28:34.240 --> 1:28:36.000 hunt with her anytime she wants to give her my 1:28:36.080 --> 1:28:38.320 email address, and not one person wrote in to be 1:28:38.400 --> 1:28:41.680 like screw that lady. It was like, dude, send her 1:28:41.680 --> 1:28:46.479 by way, We'll hunt with her. That's awesome. Yeah, now 1:28:46.560 --> 1:28:49.799 you're saying about how good Steve is in the woods. 1:28:49.920 --> 1:28:54.160 Oh I didn't say good, phenomenal phenomenal one Uh yeah, 1:28:58.479 --> 1:29:01.559 that would we want to talk to start this one 1:29:01.640 --> 1:29:07.880 with a conversation about zones, what zones mean, and how 1:29:08.240 --> 1:29:12.200 your turkey became a conversation of zones. Well, it just 1:29:12.320 --> 1:29:15.280 became a place that we all got to meet up at. Really. Yeah. 1:29:15.320 --> 1:29:17.160 It was kind of like I'm seeing you a while, Yeah, 1:29:17.240 --> 1:29:20.639 what are you doing over there? Um? Like yeah, we can, 1:29:20.760 --> 1:29:23.840 we can get that. But Ben and I had been 1:29:23.920 --> 1:29:26.160 hunting all morning. Steve been hunting all morning. You guys 1:29:26.200 --> 1:29:28.800 stayed in your own zone. Yeah, And eventually we heard 1:29:29.200 --> 1:29:32.920 a shot as we were walking back in, and we 1:29:33.160 --> 1:29:38.599 kind of discussed not hunting for the midday and I'm 1:29:38.840 --> 1:29:45.439 going to get some awesome barbecue. Um. And eventually it 1:29:46.000 --> 1:29:49.320 kept hearing the bird gobble from kind of the little 1:29:49.400 --> 1:29:53.720 ranch compound there. It's like, all right, this is yds away, 1:29:55.640 --> 1:29:58.080 throw them a gearback on started walking down the road 1:29:58.400 --> 1:30:01.439 into my zone, in this Steve zone, and then here 1:30:01.920 --> 1:30:04.680 can you enter my zone? Then here comes Steve and 1:30:04.920 --> 1:30:07.439 gung ho to go hunt. And it's helpful to have 1:30:07.560 --> 1:30:10.400 a caller and a shooter. Uh, I would I would 1:30:10.400 --> 1:30:17.679 say most times turkey hunting and um. So uh Steve 1:30:17.760 --> 1:30:23.920 and I um headed headed back into the woods. Um. 1:30:24.360 --> 1:30:29.519 And then there was some discussion as to oh, wait, 1:30:29.840 --> 1:30:33.840 I just told Yanni and dan Yelle that I was 1:30:34.000 --> 1:30:37.240 leaving and now we're coming back into this zone. So 1:30:37.400 --> 1:30:40.800 Yanni and Danielle and made me working into what had 1:30:40.880 --> 1:30:45.200 previously just been Steve zone. UM. And that took some 1:30:45.680 --> 1:30:48.280 some time to kind of figure that out and communicate 1:30:49.240 --> 1:30:53.479 by a cell phone with some like spotty coverage phone 1:30:53.479 --> 1:30:58.280 and dropping and still lead to hurt feelings. I'm not 1:30:58.439 --> 1:31:02.599 sure how hurt the feelings really work. Yanni. Listen, I've 1:31:02.600 --> 1:31:05.519 been a tremendous amount of time with him that was 1:31:05.600 --> 1:31:12.200 as upset as he gets. That's ten yes, with my kids, 1:31:12.400 --> 1:31:16.280 that is as upset as he gets. Um, were you 1:31:16.360 --> 1:31:18.320 feeling like you were with your kids at that point 1:31:19.840 --> 1:31:25.920 when Yanni sulks, just disappointed. When he sulks, that's his upset. Now, 1:31:25.920 --> 1:31:27.840 I've seen him actually flip out on people, so that 1:31:27.960 --> 1:31:29.920 he that wasn't because I've seen him flip out a 1:31:29.960 --> 1:31:33.600 couple of times. Um, But he was sulking. He was 1:31:33.640 --> 1:31:38.360 in the eight. He was in the eight sulk go ahead. 1:31:40.240 --> 1:31:43.880 So while that's getting figured out, we're waiting for this 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:46.280 bird to call, and we're doing some kind of aggressive calling, 1:31:46.320 --> 1:31:50.000 and then finally we hear gobble and we set up 1:31:50.680 --> 1:31:56.680 move a very short distance, set up call a little bit. 1:31:56.680 --> 1:32:00.519 At Steve's doing the calling, I'm just hanging out the 1:32:00.600 --> 1:32:04.120 bird gobbles again, and we get a very clear impression 1:32:04.200 --> 1:32:08.280 that the bird is not going to move closer because 1:32:08.320 --> 1:32:12.160 of um, just just the topography of the landscape. So 1:32:12.280 --> 1:32:16.080 we get back on the road again. Don't leave the road, 1:32:17.360 --> 1:32:19.800 and then it will move like seventy five yards and 1:32:19.880 --> 1:32:24.519 then the road cuts back and basically makes more or 1:32:24.640 --> 1:32:27.599 less within a few degrees a straight line to the turkey. 1:32:28.600 --> 1:32:33.479 And at that point we set up again. Um. I 1:32:33.640 --> 1:32:36.680 set up in a beautiful turkey killing spot which I 1:32:36.760 --> 1:32:39.479 didn't like, which Steve did not like. So then he 1:32:39.600 --> 1:32:45.519 repositions the turkey, almost blocking the entire shooting land. If 1:32:45.520 --> 1:32:47.680 you're not gonna sit where I want, I couldn't lose. 1:32:47.760 --> 1:32:53.080 Put the decoy where I want, yes, um, And it 1:32:53.240 --> 1:32:58.040 was a nice little blind corner situation and turned into 1:32:58.040 --> 1:33:01.160 about a thirty yard shot probably doably. Could I tell 1:33:01.200 --> 1:33:06.200 what my concern was? Please do? There was a Texas fence, 1:33:06.520 --> 1:33:10.240 not a high one but but stiffy yep, And I 1:33:10.280 --> 1:33:11.800 couldn't tell what side of the fence he was on 1:33:12.360 --> 1:33:15.200 me neither, And so I was worried that that I 1:33:15.360 --> 1:33:19.120 wanted you to be in a position where should he 1:33:19.280 --> 1:33:22.519 come up the fence line. You had good a good 1:33:22.640 --> 1:33:26.200 view through the fence, yeah, and you might have felt 1:33:26.240 --> 1:33:27.960 that you did. But that's what that's what. But it's 1:33:27.960 --> 1:33:29.960 just tired to communicate. That's what I was getting at, 1:33:30.000 --> 1:33:31.320 was like, what if he I don't know, but what 1:33:31.400 --> 1:33:35.120 if he Definitely the road was definitely plan A plan B. 1:33:35.720 --> 1:33:40.200 I had, uh you know about it, two and a 1:33:40.240 --> 1:33:43.720 half foot gap, had he come up the other side 1:33:43.720 --> 1:33:51.559 of the fence and had things worked perfectly. Um, but yeah, 1:33:51.640 --> 1:33:57.840 so one call and you know, it was one of 1:33:57.920 --> 1:34:00.599 the called gobbles back where you're like, oh, oh boy, 1:34:01.120 --> 1:34:05.320 this this bird is very committed. You're feeling your tonsils 1:34:05.439 --> 1:34:09.080 and will more than likely not make it past this scenario. 1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:16.200 And yeah, I mean seconds seconds later, his head comes 1:34:16.200 --> 1:34:21.880 around the blind corner and I really could have shot 1:34:21.960 --> 1:34:24.560 him right then. And then part of my brains like, 1:34:25.720 --> 1:34:29.080 because there was a Jake decoy his register, he registered 1:34:29.160 --> 1:34:32.720 that decoy in a visceral way, yes, And part of 1:34:32.760 --> 1:34:37.160 me was like, oh, we'll hold off and let and 1:34:37.280 --> 1:34:39.439 let's see what this bird does with the Jake decoy. 1:34:39.479 --> 1:34:42.799 I really want to see that interaction just for future. 1:34:43.560 --> 1:34:44.960 And then the other part of my brain was like, 1:34:45.240 --> 1:34:47.640 you're an idiot. Kill that bird rain So I did, 1:34:48.200 --> 1:34:49.960 but it comes when he sees that thing he's got 1:34:50.040 --> 1:34:54.160 like a hold on a minute. Yeah, it was great, 1:34:54.640 --> 1:34:58.479 It was great, but yeah, that that thing was just 1:34:59.160 --> 1:35:03.680 deader than a way ug man. Just yeah, I like, 1:35:03.840 --> 1:35:07.400 I have rarely seen turkeys flop over that thing that 1:35:07.920 --> 1:35:11.719 did not move after that. Meanwhile, you honest is doing everything, 1:35:11.760 --> 1:35:13.479 and that's power to try to get a gobble out 1:35:13.520 --> 1:35:15.800 of that bird. I was also we see there the 1:35:15.840 --> 1:35:18.040 fact that I was maybe even three yards away from 1:35:18.080 --> 1:35:21.639 you guys also in the zone, also hearing me that gobble, 1:35:22.640 --> 1:35:25.120 trying to determine if I should go over there or not, 1:35:25.320 --> 1:35:28.160 and knowing probably not. So I just sat there because 1:35:28.160 --> 1:35:29.439 I was going. I was trying to get out of 1:35:29.479 --> 1:35:31.840 the zone on foot because I was very I was 1:35:31.960 --> 1:35:33.760 challenged by your like I'm going hunting. I'm like, well, 1:35:33.760 --> 1:35:36.800 if he's going hunting, I'm going on. So I was 1:35:37.160 --> 1:35:39.680 took off to go back to our earlier zone and 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:42.080 on my way to the zone, which was bird rich, 1:35:42.280 --> 1:35:44.280 which is bird rich. On my way over to that zone, 1:35:44.920 --> 1:35:48.960 I heard a gobble. So I sat down and I 1:35:49.040 --> 1:35:51.880 called a few times, and I was like, it's probably 1:35:51.880 --> 1:35:54.720 not polite. So I just sat there and heard us. 1:35:54.800 --> 1:35:56.920 Then you heard us harvested, and I heard you harvest 1:35:57.000 --> 1:36:00.920 it the bird rich zone. Uh. That Ben was going 1:36:01.080 --> 1:36:05.760 off too, and then got distracted from. Is important to 1:36:05.880 --> 1:36:09.439 note because that is the exact same zone that NA 1:36:10.120 --> 1:36:12.880 returned to later on. Yes, it is important to note. 1:36:13.000 --> 1:36:15.519 But yeah, I was last the last I felt. I felt. 1:36:15.960 --> 1:36:18.439 You didn't intentionally chide me, but I felt chided into like, 1:36:18.840 --> 1:36:20.479 am I gonna go sit here and wait for lunch 1:36:20.680 --> 1:36:23.200 or I'm gonna go like cal and valently trudge back 1:36:23.240 --> 1:36:26.760 into the forest to hunt the wild turkey. So I 1:36:26.920 --> 1:36:29.800 was like, I'm off, and I went off to skip 1:36:29.880 --> 1:36:35.120 your afternoon shower hunting. Yeah, yeah, skip. My Ben has 1:36:35.160 --> 1:36:41.559 a very stringent showering routine in the state of Texas. Yeah, 1:36:41.840 --> 1:36:45.200 it's morning, midday, and evening shower, I believe pretty much 1:36:45.240 --> 1:36:47.720 every Yeah, if if I could do it every hour 1:36:47.800 --> 1:36:51.679 on the hour, showing more than once a day, yeah, 1:36:52.160 --> 1:36:53.800 you know I was doing twice a day while we 1:36:53.840 --> 1:36:55.439 were there, because I had lived there and I know 1:36:56.000 --> 1:36:58.040 all the ship that's crawling on me. I went off, oh, 1:36:58.200 --> 1:37:00.680 you were doing like tick and jigger work. And so 1:37:00.760 --> 1:37:02.599 I get in there rather than just like walking around 1:37:02.800 --> 1:37:05.439 in my underwear picking. I figured getting in the shower 1:37:05.520 --> 1:37:08.519 is a nice way that I was periodically checking my scroll. Yeah, 1:37:09.080 --> 1:37:10.760 because I started having like you know, when you start 1:37:10.880 --> 1:37:14.599 thinking about it, there's a chigger. That's a chigger. That's 1:37:14.600 --> 1:37:16.320 gotta be a chicker. I did come up with one 1:37:16.600 --> 1:37:19.760 chigger bite right on my waistline, but one which is 1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:24.439 just I felt. Yeah, it was just like the weird 1:37:24.640 --> 1:37:27.840 curveball the state of Texas through me because it is 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:33.400 that experience down there that week was so completely different 1:37:33.479 --> 1:37:38.400 than every other Texas Texas experiment experience that I've had, 1:37:38.920 --> 1:37:42.120 between chiggers and cactus and everything else. My wife. My 1:37:42.160 --> 1:37:44.120 wife said, how's the trip. I said, well, the turkey 1:37:44.200 --> 1:37:47.599 hunting was so so, but I didn't get I didn't 1:37:47.600 --> 1:37:50.400 see a rattlesnake, I didn't get a chicker bite. I 1:37:50.479 --> 1:37:53.000 didn't get a tick on me, so I win. So 1:37:53.120 --> 1:37:55.800 I'm still working a storm in my knee, Yeah, that's it. Yeah, 1:37:55.840 --> 1:37:57.600 I think I had a cat storm too and in 1:37:57.720 --> 1:37:59.920 my in my behind. But other than that, I'm good 1:38:00.280 --> 1:38:02.599 and in going to Texas. If you get out safely 1:38:03.320 --> 1:38:06.160 without any kind of alpha gal syndrome or any long 1:38:06.280 --> 1:38:10.519 lasting effects, you're good. Yeah, lime disease, any other court 1:38:10.560 --> 1:38:15.320 of ailments viruses. I just I just got a note 1:38:15.400 --> 1:38:17.439 that at the end of that trip, and we did 1:38:17.560 --> 1:38:20.720 the fundraiser for a wild cheap at the end at 1:38:20.720 --> 1:38:25.920 the Yetti flagship store in Austin. They pulled, uh six thousand, 1:38:25.920 --> 1:38:29.040 five hundred bucks at night. That's great because Cal was 1:38:29.080 --> 1:38:35.080 auctioning awkward auction. Yeah, he wasn't doing that. He wasn't going, hey, 1:38:37.120 --> 1:38:42.080 hey guys, listen, listen man, I'm not here to bullshit 1:38:42.200 --> 1:38:44.880 you people. You got money, I got I got something, 1:38:45.040 --> 1:38:47.639 I got stuff to sell it. Let's hear another quick 1:38:47.640 --> 1:38:51.680 turkey story. I'll give you a quick one. Um, this 1:38:51.880 --> 1:38:54.960 is what the next day, correct, we had We had 1:38:55.000 --> 1:38:57.080 a couple of buddies who had a property at lease 1:38:57.200 --> 1:39:04.000 property close to yea relatively close similar area to also 1:39:04.080 --> 1:39:07.800 in the Lanta River down River aways, and Yanni and 1:39:07.840 --> 1:39:12.280 I decided to hunt that virgin property at least to 1:39:12.479 --> 1:39:15.040 us with with two buddies of ours that own archery 1:39:15.080 --> 1:39:22.360 country there in Austin, Tyler and Brennan and I had 1:39:22.439 --> 1:39:25.720 hunted last year before. I had hunted that property, but 1:39:25.880 --> 1:39:28.439 Yanni had never never hunted it. But I felt like, 1:39:28.720 --> 1:39:30.040 you can tell me if I'm wrong. At it's a 1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:34.240 pretty good turkey spot. Yeah, as things go, Yeah, nice 1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:36.720 rang YEA heads up, heads up, to the river. So 1:39:36.840 --> 1:39:38.840 we headed over there in the morning, got up early, 1:39:39.040 --> 1:39:41.160 made the drives like forty five minutes, headed over there, 1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:45.640 and struck off in the morning. I went with h 1:39:47.320 --> 1:39:52.120 I went with Tyler, and Brendan and Yanni went off together. 1:39:52.600 --> 1:39:54.760 They had a bunch of fired up gobblers in one 1:39:54.840 --> 1:39:58.559 spot on this property today before. So we struck off 1:39:58.600 --> 1:40:01.200 and headed over there after those birds and see if 1:40:01.240 --> 1:40:02.720 we can strike them up. We struck up a couple 1:40:02.720 --> 1:40:05.040 of birds across the river, which I was dumb enough 1:40:05.120 --> 1:40:09.360 to think we'll find some other turkeys. It was the Yan. Yeah, 1:40:10.800 --> 1:40:15.240 this is from us. And we were in a spot 1:40:15.320 --> 1:40:17.240 where you know, you want to talk a hundred of 1:40:17.240 --> 1:40:20.559 your floods. I mean, there was full boats, there was docks, 1:40:20.840 --> 1:40:22.840 there was I mean it looked like the water was 1:40:23.760 --> 1:40:26.200 fifty ft above normal. I mean it was unbelievable, like 1:40:26.439 --> 1:40:29.040 stuff deposited on the banks. Yeah, I mean just to 1:40:29.160 --> 1:40:31.600 breathe everywhere. I mean it was. It was kind of 1:40:31.640 --> 1:40:33.720 a waste land there at that stretch of the river. 1:40:34.800 --> 1:40:37.400 So we walked the river called a little bit, struck 1:40:37.479 --> 1:40:39.080 up a couple of birds across the river. But I 1:40:39.160 --> 1:40:41.280 was dumb enough to think, oh, we're gonna hunt these 1:40:41.320 --> 1:40:43.760 birds that are on our side. I don't want to 1:40:43.800 --> 1:40:47.599 mess with these things. We should probably have we struck 1:40:47.680 --> 1:40:49.840 up some some birds out were fired up. Probably should 1:40:49.840 --> 1:40:51.920 have stayed there and got him to fly across as 1:40:52.120 --> 1:40:55.360 as you guys did at the other spot. Anyhow, we 1:40:55.439 --> 1:40:58.439 went up the hill set up where we knew these 1:40:58.439 --> 1:41:01.719 turkeys were at, started calling and we basically complete silence 1:41:01.960 --> 1:41:05.200 once birds hit the ground, And it was how could 1:41:05.240 --> 1:41:08.160 this happen? How could this never happen? This never never, 1:41:08.520 --> 1:41:12.200 never experienced this in my life. So yes, we we're 1:41:12.280 --> 1:41:16.400 basically screwed. Oh, Yanni did the Yanni Turkey Marathon. He 1:41:16.560 --> 1:41:20.479 walked from the other side of the entire property all 1:41:20.520 --> 1:41:22.800 the way to where we were, and I heard this 1:41:23.000 --> 1:41:24.920 fing and he said he had his track function on 1:41:25.280 --> 1:41:29.000 yea on on X. Brendan did because hunt with him 1:41:29.040 --> 1:41:31.080 from Was he using one of those stupid watches that 1:41:31.120 --> 1:41:35.200 always tells you the wrong everyone those watches, Dude, I 1:41:35.280 --> 1:41:40.200 walked eight miles today. My watch told me so often 1:41:41.439 --> 1:41:46.280 they cannot be We gotta give Brandon. Brendan Hansen is 1:41:46.360 --> 1:41:50.400 a multiple time gold medal Olympic swimmer. For whatever that's worth, 1:41:50.800 --> 1:41:57.599 For whatever that's worth. So he's been there anyways. He says, 1:41:57.640 --> 1:42:00.760 you guys watched seventeen miles looking for turkeys. Yeah, and 1:42:00.840 --> 1:42:03.160 that was after I did. That was a person as 1:42:03.200 --> 1:42:05.559 long as it doesn't I don't accept any data from 1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:07.559 one of those I watches. I don't know how far 1:42:07.640 --> 1:42:12.080 it was. I am nine thirty when I hooked up 1:42:12.120 --> 1:42:15.519 with you guys. I was already like, God, I heard this. 1:42:15.640 --> 1:42:18.120 That was a freaking walk about. I just did what 1:42:19.080 --> 1:42:21.800 I'm talking about. There's a lot of fit bit fit 1:42:21.920 --> 1:42:24.439 bit like whenever someone was you know, fit bit people. 1:42:24.920 --> 1:42:26.559 We got one from my kid. He wanted one real bad. 1:42:26.600 --> 1:42:28.599 He wakes up, he's wake for five minutes or his shows. 1:42:28.640 --> 1:42:32.800 He's gone like three thousand, three thousand yards. Did come 1:42:32.840 --> 1:42:37.200 downstairs eighteen flights of stairs today? Now? We I was. 1:42:37.360 --> 1:42:40.759 I remember hearing the faint crow call in the distance, 1:42:41.000 --> 1:42:43.560 and I thought, well, that's the direction that Yanni's in. 1:42:43.600 --> 1:42:45.439 But there's no way in this short amount of time 1:42:45.479 --> 1:42:47.840 that he's covered all this distance to get to where 1:42:47.920 --> 1:42:50.120 we are, because we left him on the other side 1:42:50.160 --> 1:42:53.120 of the property. Almost I hear this faint crow call, 1:42:53.280 --> 1:42:56.120 give it to me Ali in the distance. What did 1:42:56.120 --> 1:43:01.360 it sounds like do away off, do a way of 1:43:01.520 --> 1:43:11.320 you the part I don't like the end part, just 1:43:11.360 --> 1:43:15.320 a little something extra for the lady. We're just having fun. 1:43:15.560 --> 1:43:17.000 So there is was he in your zone? Did he 1:43:17.080 --> 1:43:20.400 violate your own kind of kind of? But it's not 1:43:20.600 --> 1:43:22.840 that we didn't really establish his ownes at that point. 1:43:22.880 --> 1:43:24.519 We just thought, well, Yanny so far away, there's no 1:43:24.560 --> 1:43:26.200 way he'll trudge because he had to go through what 1:43:26.360 --> 1:43:28.160 eight gates to get what do you mean? Kind of? 1:43:28.400 --> 1:43:31.560 I was in touch with the freaking lease and I 1:43:31.680 --> 1:43:33.600 was like, can I come down there? Because where you 1:43:33.680 --> 1:43:36.519 guys sent me is obviously the first girl I've ever 1:43:36.600 --> 1:43:39.559 been put in You thought you thought you were girls. 1:43:39.560 --> 1:43:43.240 It's called the lat being creep yep, coming into your own. 1:43:43.280 --> 1:43:45.519 I was like, that man has big strides, made it 1:43:45.520 --> 1:43:47.000 all the way over here. But I heard a faint 1:43:48.200 --> 1:43:52.160 stretching fences from one end of the rag plushing gates 1:43:52.240 --> 1:43:54.840 over I heard his faint crow call, and I thought 1:43:54.880 --> 1:43:57.479 that sounds like a Yanni crow call, not that it 1:43:57.479 --> 1:43:59.679 didn't sound good because there's not a lot of crows there. Yeah, 1:43:59.760 --> 1:44:01.880 there's not. You don't hear there's some, but there's there's 1:44:01.920 --> 1:44:04.920 not something you don't hear that three note crow call? Uh. 1:44:05.000 --> 1:44:07.720 And then I heard I heard a yelp, and I'm like, 1:44:07.840 --> 1:44:11.160 that's a Yanni. That's a Yanni yelp and it has 1:44:11.240 --> 1:44:15.280 like two stages. It's got, it's got, it's two staged 1:44:15.520 --> 1:44:18.920 six notes and it's two stages. Um when those notes, 1:44:18.960 --> 1:44:21.360 so I knew that was Yanni. Well, Yanni came over 1:44:21.680 --> 1:44:25.200 and met up with us, and there was it was quiet. 1:44:25.240 --> 1:44:28.200 You hadn't heard a gobel to that point, at super 1:44:28.320 --> 1:44:30.720 quiet um to the point where it was getting a 1:44:30.720 --> 1:44:34.120 little bit depressing. So we endeavored to to go and 1:44:34.320 --> 1:44:37.680 grab some sandwiches or We're gonna go. Reset, got in 1:44:37.760 --> 1:44:41.040 the truck, rolled down to this little creek bottom where 1:44:41.080 --> 1:44:42.880 I had heard birds goblin before. I'm like, let's just 1:44:43.040 --> 1:44:48.680 get out and hammer him. Um. We got out and 1:44:49.439 --> 1:44:52.040 almost as soon as we got out of the truck, right, Yanni, Yeah, 1:44:52.120 --> 1:44:53.760 we blew the crow call and he answered and he 1:44:53.840 --> 1:44:56.639 was boom answered. Now this is and what we didn't 1:44:56.640 --> 1:44:58.920 say about either your two birds. You know, to Steve Reno, 1:45:00.960 --> 1:45:03.280 I was doing my best in version of it, but 1:45:03.400 --> 1:45:06.200 I'm sure it wasn't Steve. Steve believes his crow calling 1:45:06.560 --> 1:45:10.400 is his Olympic in nature, like it's gold medal. There's 1:45:10.479 --> 1:45:16.840 something like particularly shocking to a turkey when I crow 1:45:16.920 --> 1:45:21.280 call piercing it. Now, I gotta say, when I pull 1:45:21.360 --> 1:45:23.360 that crow call out, I watched them they take two 1:45:23.439 --> 1:45:29.320 or three steps backward to get behind to get behind 1:45:29.400 --> 1:45:32.719 me before I do it. So you you I didn't 1:45:32.760 --> 1:45:35.120 see that though in our short time together there was 1:45:35.200 --> 1:45:39.960 no shocks. Uh, but I believe you. But Yanni shocked 1:45:40.040 --> 1:45:41.880 him up and they were just kind of like what 1:45:42.960 --> 1:45:45.320 yards away? This bird was put down in this little 1:45:46.040 --> 1:45:51.519 little creek bottoms, beautiful little um dry bottom. It was hot, man. 1:45:51.680 --> 1:45:53.800 So yeah, we knew we we we need to find 1:45:53.880 --> 1:45:57.240 some shade. It's not that day. My friends and um, 1:45:57.439 --> 1:45:59.120 so there's four of us. We're like, we'll all four 1:45:59.160 --> 1:46:00.679 go down there and see if we call us burden, 1:46:01.720 --> 1:46:05.080 which is generally not prescribed it we've been heavy, Yeah, 1:46:05.200 --> 1:46:07.479 we went in't heavy, and it was it was decided 1:46:07.479 --> 1:46:10.080 that I would shoot this turkey. Yanni had his fan 1:46:10.520 --> 1:46:13.479 and we went down into the bottom. What do you 1:46:13.560 --> 1:46:19.280 call your fan, Yannie? Slim shady, Yeah, slim jimsickings, slim pickens. 1:46:19.520 --> 1:46:21.760 I think it is what you tea we got slim 1:46:21.840 --> 1:46:24.240 Pickings out. We went down there and hit it. Not 1:46:24.400 --> 1:46:27.559 not sooner did we did? We say slim because it's 1:46:27.600 --> 1:46:30.040 only a fan with like a turkey head. You might 1:46:30.080 --> 1:46:34.320 as to talk about it. Yeah, give people his turkey 1:46:34.360 --> 1:46:37.439 decoy's head off. Yeah, it's a premost chicken on a steak, 1:46:37.880 --> 1:46:41.479 which is sweet decoy. I like what I like about 1:46:41.479 --> 1:46:43.960 it has the steak, has like a handle, even has 1:46:43.960 --> 1:46:46.600 a little you where you can drop your shotgun into it, 1:46:46.680 --> 1:46:49.519 so you can be holding the fan and you're that's 1:46:49.640 --> 1:46:52.920 that's way. That's like a coat hanger. No, no, no, 1:46:53.960 --> 1:46:56.120 you can you can fan with it, or you can 1:46:56.160 --> 1:46:57.479 just stick it into the ground and use it as 1:46:57.479 --> 1:46:59.280 a decoy. But I wanted it to be a little 1:46:59.320 --> 1:47:01.719 bit more poor, a little bit more running gun friendly, 1:47:02.120 --> 1:47:04.560 and so I basically whacked off three quarters of the 1:47:04.800 --> 1:47:07.560 decoy body so it was just the head left, and 1:47:08.120 --> 1:47:10.160 you know, did a little tweaking and basically attached that 1:47:10.360 --> 1:47:13.479 to the stake handle and the fan. And so because 1:47:13.520 --> 1:47:18.200 he's so slim and two dimensional, slim shady, slim, shady, 1:47:18.680 --> 1:47:22.880 slim pickings, Well, slim, that's your favorite actor, Slim shady, slim, 1:47:24.439 --> 1:47:26.920 slim Pickings, I did like eight miles, tell you what. 1:47:27.000 --> 1:47:30.160 I never saw that, but he's in that movie Happy People. Yeah, 1:47:30.560 --> 1:47:33.840 he's pretty good, and that's pretty good. He's no slim pickings. Yeah, no, 1:47:34.640 --> 1:47:39.479 I doesn't have depths and body of work of doctor 1:47:39.600 --> 1:47:44.040 Strange Love. This is the greatest movies ever made. This 1:47:44.160 --> 1:47:47.719 is why podcast exist. Go on. You just need one 1:47:48.520 --> 1:47:52.680 role or you get a ride an a bomb, and 1:47:52.800 --> 1:47:57.120 that's kind of that's you. That's your one shining moment. 1:47:57.960 --> 1:48:00.599 Uh So we all flour judge down to this bottom. 1:48:00.680 --> 1:48:03.400 This turkey's he's pretty fired up for a midday bird, 1:48:03.439 --> 1:48:07.760 and it's hot. It was pretty hot. Um. I didn't 1:48:07.800 --> 1:48:10.120 have a lot of confidence because he seemed a little 1:48:10.360 --> 1:48:11.760 he seemed like he was in his strut zone. He 1:48:11.800 --> 1:48:14.160 didn't really want to break. Is that is that how 1:48:14.280 --> 1:48:17.200 you see it? Yanni? Yes, I would say so. So 1:48:17.360 --> 1:48:19.960 we all, I, Yanni and I kind of got up 1:48:19.960 --> 1:48:22.640 against some trees and we knew he had a There 1:48:22.720 --> 1:48:24.559 was a fence in between us. Was one of those 1:48:24.880 --> 1:48:27.559 six Strand fences that we were talking about, and we're thinking, 1:48:27.560 --> 1:48:29.479 this dude's gonna have to come across that unless we 1:48:29.640 --> 1:48:31.080 you know, unless we jump it. But if we jump 1:48:31.120 --> 1:48:35.800 it were too close. He comes, he starts gobbling, We 1:48:35.880 --> 1:48:39.679 sit down. He's not really he wasn't cutting any distance. 1:48:40.400 --> 1:48:43.439 For for five to ten minutes, Yanni was hitting him hard. 1:48:44.479 --> 1:48:47.320 I got got the old box box call out, but 1:48:47.479 --> 1:48:50.040 we decided to skip closer and split up. And then 1:48:50.200 --> 1:48:52.559 and then both of us calls sounded like a whole fuck, 1:48:53.120 --> 1:48:55.639 whole raft. He was fired up, and he was answering 1:48:55.680 --> 1:48:58.439 every time, and he was he was thundering, but he 1:48:58.600 --> 1:49:00.280 just wasn't. He was in his zone and he didn't 1:49:00.439 --> 1:49:02.040 didn't feel the need to come over because they I 1:49:02.160 --> 1:49:04.800 think that they enjoy that. Yeah, I think that, like 1:49:05.040 --> 1:49:08.040 you think that there's unfel like when he's not you're 1:49:08.120 --> 1:49:10.720 calling and he's goblin and you feel that there's this 1:49:10.840 --> 1:49:12.760 thing that needs to happen now. I think that they 1:49:12.840 --> 1:49:14.720 sometimes revel in that. I think so too, And I 1:49:14.760 --> 1:49:16.920 think this is a perfect example of what how it goes. 1:49:17.520 --> 1:49:19.600 So we're calling. It was ten minutes of calling. I 1:49:19.680 --> 1:49:22.000 bet and I get out the call. Him and I 1:49:22.040 --> 1:49:24.439 are both gone. We're hitting it together. At some point 1:49:24.520 --> 1:49:27.240 you could just tell that he was committed, like at 1:49:27.360 --> 1:49:30.400 some point he was he was We were cutting him 1:49:30.439 --> 1:49:32.519 off both cutting him off. He was getting a little 1:49:32.520 --> 1:49:35.280 more jacked up, a little more excited. He's like, I'm 1:49:35.280 --> 1:49:38.240 gonna make love double, and he had a he had 1:49:38.280 --> 1:49:40.800 a triple, guy will be making love soon. And I'm 1:49:40.880 --> 1:49:43.040 I'm maybe ten yards away from Johnny. And I turned 1:49:43.080 --> 1:49:44.680 to him at one point and he goes, let's just 1:49:44.680 --> 1:49:46.920 stay quiet. Let's let's just shut up for a while. 1:49:46.960 --> 1:49:51.360 See what happens. We shut up and not it was 1:49:51.479 --> 1:49:55.120 coincidence that up, And then I think he was coming already. 1:49:56.360 --> 1:49:58.360 I thought I knew he was coming for sure when 1:49:58.400 --> 1:50:01.559 we shut up and quit Goblin. Like thirty seconds later, 1:50:01.720 --> 1:50:04.479 he just hits one and he's way closer than he was. 1:50:04.520 --> 1:50:06.880 And I turned to our other two companions. I'm like, 1:50:06.960 --> 1:50:10.280 he's coming, like get ready. So we've got me on 1:50:10.400 --> 1:50:12.599 the left, Yahni on the right, Yahni got old slim 1:50:12.680 --> 1:50:17.000 pickings just just giving into the sweet turn, that sweet 1:50:17.200 --> 1:50:19.240 music where there's just tails. Had to come. He had 1:50:19.240 --> 1:50:22.000 to come investigate, because silence, that little tail fan just 1:50:22.680 --> 1:50:24.760 just going across. Yeah, we could see way up this 1:50:25.520 --> 1:50:28.200 shady creek bottom that we couldn't see what the turkey was. 1:50:28.280 --> 1:50:32.920 But he came across the thick stuff and popped out ards. 1:50:33.120 --> 1:50:34.920 I called him coming through the thick stuff and I'm like, 1:50:34.960 --> 1:50:39.000 oh dude, that's all. And he comes out into the 1:50:39.080 --> 1:50:41.600 open creek bottom and we're all, there's four dudes just 1:50:42.120 --> 1:50:43.680 I mean, we're not covered up at all. I'm like, 1:50:44.600 --> 1:50:47.120 he might this might not go well. There's the thing 1:50:47.160 --> 1:50:48.720 of beauty though, because he kind of came out of 1:50:48.760 --> 1:50:51.040 the shade and right into a sunny spot and then 1:50:51.080 --> 1:50:54.679 he just full came out, full strut and just glowed 1:50:54.960 --> 1:50:56.880 and just and it was it was like one of 1:50:56.920 --> 1:50:59.600 those like the avenues in the creek bottom. It's like 1:50:59.640 --> 1:51:01.880 that avenue in the creek bottom where he got trees 1:51:01.920 --> 1:51:03.320 on both sides. You got a bunch of brush and 1:51:03.360 --> 1:51:06.439 there's just just like lane and he didn't get he 1:51:06.560 --> 1:51:08.360 wasn't like walking the edge of lane. He came right 1:51:08.400 --> 1:51:10.519 out in the open and walked in the middle of it. 1:51:10.600 --> 1:51:12.880 And it's like painting. You see that famous painting by 1:51:12.920 --> 1:51:16.360 that famous painter of Daniel Boone coming through the Cumberland Gape. 1:51:16.960 --> 1:51:19.080 Just it's like he just parted the seat and he 1:51:19.200 --> 1:51:21.920 was just coming through and he was just like, oh man, 1:51:22.000 --> 1:51:24.120 he was and he was strutting. He was hit the 1:51:24.160 --> 1:51:25.920 strut and he would go back down and look around 1:51:25.960 --> 1:51:28.360 like yeah, yeah yeah, coming in and it hit it 1:51:28.439 --> 1:51:31.680 up and he kits I did not like I wanted to. 1:51:31.920 --> 1:51:33.120 I wanted him to come in and put on the 1:51:33.200 --> 1:51:35.280 show because once I saw him turning the corner, I'm like, 1:51:35.360 --> 1:51:37.960 unless he unless one of us does something stupid, this 1:51:38.160 --> 1:51:41.120 is over. But he took. He took this sweet old 1:51:41.120 --> 1:51:43.640 time coming up the lane and then got to the 1:51:43.720 --> 1:51:45.880 fence which was roughly twenty five yards away and just 1:51:46.000 --> 1:51:48.639 hit it and just was he was going back and forth, 1:51:48.720 --> 1:51:50.120 he was trying to find a way through the fence, 1:51:50.800 --> 1:51:54.160 and he was spitting drumming like every noise a turkey 1:51:54.200 --> 1:51:57.320 can make. He was making um. And so the other 1:51:57.320 --> 1:52:00.360 two guys were with Tyler and Brennan hadn't really turkey 1:52:00.400 --> 1:52:03.680 on very much or like almost never maybe one time 1:52:03.720 --> 1:52:05.439 in the woods. So they got the show of shows. 1:52:05.760 --> 1:52:09.720 I mean, he spit drumming. Just you hear a lot 1:52:09.760 --> 1:52:11.679 of guys say that I want to see the show. 1:52:11.760 --> 1:52:13.799 I want to get the show when I kill a turkey, 1:52:14.479 --> 1:52:17.080 and that means that means get to watch him come 1:52:17.240 --> 1:52:21.519 shutting gobbling. He would, yeah, he would, he started and 1:52:21.560 --> 1:52:22.920 gobble his whole way in and once he got to 1:52:22.960 --> 1:52:24.800 shooting range, he was just going back and forth on 1:52:24.840 --> 1:52:28.439 the fence, just hitting it because I mean just spitting 1:52:28.439 --> 1:52:30.720 the drum as low as I've heard. Didn't gobbler very 1:52:30.800 --> 1:52:32.800 much once he got in close. But they don't do that, 1:52:33.000 --> 1:52:35.600 So the show sounds kind of perverse. You'd want to 1:52:35.640 --> 1:52:38.439 see that and then shoot the turkey. But everybody who 1:52:38.479 --> 1:52:41.519 sits around sits down to Thanksgiving turkey, what was the 1:52:41.560 --> 1:52:43.200 show they got? It? Shows up in the back of it. 1:52:43.360 --> 1:52:46.519 Nothing shows up. Cram to do a truck hundred dollar 1:52:46.680 --> 1:52:49.600 organic turkey with thirty thousand other turkeys cram to a 1:52:49.640 --> 1:52:51.240 truck and they dragged it out by its feet and 1:52:51.320 --> 1:52:54.160 run through a slaughter line. I had much rather eat 1:52:54.200 --> 1:52:56.200 a turkey that showed up like that. Dude, I've been 1:52:56.240 --> 1:52:58.960 on I just showed up. I just got back from vacations, 1:52:58.960 --> 1:53:00.720 so I haven't eaten any part of turkey. But when 1:53:00.720 --> 1:53:03.360 I do, I will be thinking of him coming down 1:53:03.400 --> 1:53:05.519 that lane. You'll be picturing one of those sad trailers 1:53:05.560 --> 1:53:08.800 for the white turkeys going down the high off the 1:53:08.880 --> 1:53:13.679 back of a giant bim big cryo back bam, like yeah, 1:53:13.920 --> 1:53:15.640 and I will admit to having made a bit of 1:53:15.720 --> 1:53:18.600 a mistake here when I killed the turkey. He was 1:53:18.680 --> 1:53:20.360 looking try to get through the fence and he was 1:53:20.400 --> 1:53:22.280 putting his head up trying to and he looked to 1:53:22.400 --> 1:53:24.160 get through the fence and figured out he couldn't get 1:53:24.200 --> 1:53:26.639 through it, and I feel I'm gonna kill him now. Yeah, 1:53:26.680 --> 1:53:28.320 he kind of he kind of came out of strut 1:53:28.439 --> 1:53:30.040 and put his head close to the fence. So he 1:53:30.160 --> 1:53:33.160 really wanted through that fence. He wanted through a bad 1:53:33.560 --> 1:53:35.800 he was. He was seeing another Golers strut in twenty 1:53:35.840 --> 1:53:38.040 five yards away. Man, he wanted to like get up 1:53:38.080 --> 1:53:41.320 in the kicking nuts on it. He was, so he 1:53:41.520 --> 1:53:43.240 kind of he came out of a couple of times 1:53:43.320 --> 1:53:45.280 where he'd be like showy, showy, showy, and then he 1:53:45.400 --> 1:53:47.280 kind of going to three quarters strut. He could see 1:53:47.320 --> 1:53:49.679 his head looking at the fence. He'd walk a little 1:53:49.680 --> 1:53:51.320 bit and then let's go back. I was thinking if 1:53:51.360 --> 1:53:53.280 we let him and let him keep put on the show, 1:53:53.360 --> 1:53:55.200 he might have backed up and flown over the fence, 1:53:55.520 --> 1:53:57.000 which would have been out a shot as soon as 1:53:57.000 --> 1:54:00.160 he landed. Just just had a principle, but it he 1:54:00.520 --> 1:54:02.599 he came at broke strut and was like looking through 1:54:02.640 --> 1:54:04.640 the fence, looking and I thought I could shoot him 1:54:04.720 --> 1:54:07.200 right now. I'm gonna blow his head off easy. And 1:54:07.280 --> 1:54:10.880 they went back into strut and started walking towards Joanni 1:54:10.960 --> 1:54:12.960 a bit away from me, and I thought, well, it's 1:54:13.000 --> 1:54:15.200 time to go. So I shot him when he was 1:54:15.240 --> 1:54:18.519 in full strut and just wrecked him. I mean, just 1:54:19.080 --> 1:54:21.200 I've never I mean, I took he didn't twitch, did he, 1:54:21.800 --> 1:54:25.320 I mean, he just down folded. And it turns out 1:54:25.439 --> 1:54:29.240 that I hit him pretty hard like both And you 1:54:29.320 --> 1:54:31.240 were saying you thought maybe it was a butchering mistake. 1:54:32.440 --> 1:54:36.000 I'm oh, I'm sure. I'm sure it wasn't because I've 1:54:36.040 --> 1:54:37.440 done a lot of them. But it could have been. 1:54:37.960 --> 1:54:41.720 But when I pulled his his both his legs back 1:54:42.000 --> 1:54:44.360 to cut his thighs off and his both of his 1:54:44.800 --> 1:54:47.000 I guess it would be his his femer bone and 1:54:49.320 --> 1:54:52.920 snapped in half. Like when when that payload hit him, 1:54:53.000 --> 1:54:55.560 he just felt so fast that the force of it 1:54:55.680 --> 1:54:58.560 broke both his legs. I still don't understand. I mean, 1:54:58.600 --> 1:55:01.520 I understand, like the I'm not saying I understand either, 1:55:01.600 --> 1:55:03.760 but that's what that's what I encounter when I broke 1:55:03.840 --> 1:55:06.800 him open and he drops the damn fast. I remember 1:55:06.840 --> 1:55:09.360 carrying him out like later, throw him back the truckolate 1:55:09.480 --> 1:55:13.960 could have been tail. That would have been a good 1:55:13.960 --> 1:55:16.200 way to play. I think we would have seen bruising 1:55:16.400 --> 1:55:18.360 had we had he gone through some sort of trauma 1:55:18.480 --> 1:55:21.040 like that, right, Yeah, No, there was no bruising the legs. 1:55:21.080 --> 1:55:25.120 It was just literally both his legs were I don't know. 1:55:25.160 --> 1:55:28.800 I mean, that's the best ex plane so hard, like 1:55:28.920 --> 1:55:31.840 he broke his own size like he dropped. I mean, 1:55:31.880 --> 1:55:35.000 I've never seen a turkey. Yeah, I've never seen turkey 1:55:35.080 --> 1:55:37.960 drop faster than that and not move like did not. 1:55:38.240 --> 1:55:41.200 I've definitely seen him fold like that with a zero flopping, 1:55:41.600 --> 1:55:43.960 but not even I mean, what else would cause that? 1:55:44.080 --> 1:55:46.400 He didn't walk in there with those two legs broken 1:55:46.480 --> 1:55:48.760 like that. I can tell you that cleaning there, that's 1:55:48.760 --> 1:55:51.600 what you were sat. I didn't like make the same air. 1:55:51.840 --> 1:55:53.480 I don't know how you'd clean it so hard as 1:55:53.480 --> 1:55:57.920 a breaking I'm telling well, I got you're using the 1:55:57.920 --> 1:56:01.200 truck skins that turkey. I put a golf ball up 1:56:01.200 --> 1:56:04.640 its ass, uh No, I j t V and Will 1:56:04.680 --> 1:56:07.400 standing there and I flopped him open to pull his 1:56:07.480 --> 1:56:10.120 breasts off in his thighs and legs, and he said, 1:56:10.160 --> 1:56:12.320 holy ship, because when you just flop them open, you 1:56:12.320 --> 1:56:16.080 can see it. Um. So that's that's my big takeaway, 1:56:16.160 --> 1:56:18.800 the payload from the old tss put a hurting on 1:56:18.880 --> 1:56:22.840 that turkey. Yeah. And if you, if you, um, you 1:56:22.920 --> 1:56:24.640 could tell one turkey story, Do you want to tell 1:56:24.680 --> 1:56:28.520 the story of Daniells first turkey? It's certainly more interesting. 1:56:30.840 --> 1:56:32.240 You're right, because I got to get in on a 1:56:32.280 --> 1:56:36.840 couple of turkey kills, um call, and I gotta help 1:56:36.880 --> 1:56:40.200 me double up on the last day. It was fourth quarter. 1:56:40.480 --> 1:56:43.800 That's it. That's one of my favorite hunting things that 1:56:43.880 --> 1:56:46.120 happens when it dudes like, man, I'm just gonna run 1:56:46.120 --> 1:56:48.800 out real quick before we leave, because Yanni never says die, no, 1:56:49.200 --> 1:56:51.760 I'm gonna run out quick before we leave. It was 1:56:51.840 --> 1:56:53.600 too close for me though, I don't I didn't like 1:56:53.720 --> 1:56:56.640 the pressure of that hunt. It was like you gotta 1:56:57.120 --> 1:57:01.720 you gotta push the repeatedly because you're like, well, I 1:57:01.840 --> 1:57:04.440 do not get fun because you're just in the back 1:57:04.480 --> 1:57:06.880 of your head. You're constantly like, well, I wonder if 1:57:06.880 --> 1:57:09.440 we can leave a little bit later. I wonder if 1:57:09.440 --> 1:57:11.240 they're gonna be piste off if we get there at 1:57:11.280 --> 1:57:14.920 three instead of two, because it was about one when 1:57:14.960 --> 1:57:17.040 we killed. Any who, Yeah, I got to hunt with 1:57:17.080 --> 1:57:20.840 Danielle for for her first what she considered her first 1:57:20.920 --> 1:57:25.400 real in air quotes Turkey Hunch and wild Game chef 1:57:25.480 --> 1:57:29.040 Daniel Pru. Yeah, Danielle Prue wild in the home. Um 1:57:30.040 --> 1:57:32.960 and uh, we had a similar morning to what you 1:57:33.040 --> 1:57:36.200 guys described, but I went back out. The only one 1:57:36.200 --> 1:57:38.160 thing I'll add to the little story, but we can't 1:57:38.200 --> 1:57:40.520 really go off on a tangent here, but bringing back 1:57:40.600 --> 1:57:43.880 up Cal's bird story, we were working that same bird. 1:57:43.920 --> 1:57:46.280 You guys are obviously much closer to that burden we were, 1:57:47.080 --> 1:57:50.080 but you know, it was late in the day. It 1:57:50.200 --> 1:57:53.440 was nude, one pm something like that. We've been out, 1:57:53.600 --> 1:57:56.200 daniell have been on a turkey tour. My Onyx had said, 1:57:56.440 --> 1:57:58.680 like six or six and a half miles. At that point, 1:57:58.760 --> 1:58:01.280 I could see it she starting to drag a little bit. 1:58:01.440 --> 1:58:04.280 But now we're like set up, got a pretty hot bird. 1:58:04.760 --> 1:58:07.360 You know, he's working and and we could hear your 1:58:07.400 --> 1:58:09.760 calls a little bit. I think she even mentioned it. 1:58:09.880 --> 1:58:13.360 But AnyWho, man, that shot goes off and you could 1:58:13.400 --> 1:58:17.480 just see her shoulders slumped down. She said to me, 1:58:17.600 --> 1:58:21.879 I didn't I feel like someone burst my balloon out delay. 1:58:23.160 --> 1:58:27.520 I know these boys got lost. AnyWho, we got back 1:58:27.560 --> 1:58:31.480 out it maybe we were lost, we were in our zone. 1:58:31.680 --> 1:58:35.080 We got back at three or so, and uh man, 1:58:35.160 --> 1:58:37.520 it was amazing. What was interesting about that country is 1:58:37.640 --> 1:58:39.560 that if you got on a high point at all, 1:58:39.720 --> 1:58:43.200 you could hear a gobble a long ways away. I'm 1:58:43.280 --> 1:58:47.200 talking like stuff you can measure in uh quarters and halves, 1:58:47.560 --> 1:58:50.840 maybe even three quarters of a mile. Um. Because the 1:58:50.920 --> 1:58:53.200 one thing we'd eventually getting on, I'm thinking, he's for 1:58:53.320 --> 1:58:54.880 sure on our side of the river. And as we 1:58:54.920 --> 1:58:57.200 get closer, I'm like, yep, on our side, but definitely 1:58:57.280 --> 1:58:59.720 down at the river. Where we show up at the river, 1:59:00.080 --> 1:59:02.640 that bugger's three hundred yards on the other side of 1:59:02.720 --> 1:59:07.120 the river. And um, yeah, they just they that it 1:59:07.280 --> 1:59:10.480 just whatever. It was topography and the and the floor 1:59:10.600 --> 1:59:14.240 that really let those gobbles travel far. Anyho on the 1:59:14.280 --> 1:59:16.400 other side of the river. And although I had no 1:59:16.640 --> 1:59:18.920 I knew that Steve had some birds that came across 1:59:18.960 --> 1:59:21.920 the river. Um. I was thinking, man, this is a 1:59:22.120 --> 1:59:25.000 long shot. Daniel Tha was such a long shot that 1:59:25.120 --> 1:59:26.640 she was kind of in her head thinks she didn't 1:59:26.640 --> 1:59:28.840 tell me, But in her head she's thinking, how long 1:59:29.040 --> 1:59:30.720 are we gonna sit here and just listen to this 1:59:30.760 --> 1:59:32.480 turkey gobble on the other side of the river that 1:59:32.560 --> 1:59:35.800 we can't even see, Like this is a stupid idea. 1:59:35.840 --> 1:59:38.400 We're wasting our time. We should be doing something else. 1:59:39.080 --> 1:59:41.760 But he was hot, and he was, you know, pretty 1:59:41.800 --> 1:59:43.960 much goblin almost every call. So I kept at and 1:59:44.120 --> 1:59:46.480 kept at, and eventually I could tell he moved down 1:59:46.520 --> 1:59:48.280 the bank a little bit and he popped out. I 1:59:48.400 --> 1:59:51.560 was like, oh, well, he at least moved out of it. 1:59:51.680 --> 1:59:53.480 If it was a struct zone. It was weird because 1:59:53.480 --> 1:59:55.080 he was like it sounds like he was coming from 1:59:55.120 --> 1:59:57.960 between two sort of like what I would call like 1:59:58.320 --> 2:00:01.760 machine shed, not the bar and more like metal side 2:00:01.760 --> 2:00:04.360 and machine shed looking buildings, like he was strutting like 2:00:04.440 --> 2:00:08.880 in the park a lot like like tractor and mower storage. Yeah, 2:00:09.400 --> 2:00:12.640 more of a garage and the barn. Anyway, he pops 2:00:12.720 --> 2:00:15.200 out and it looks like he's sort of angling our way, 2:00:15.320 --> 2:00:17.440 you know, still doing the strutton and and you know, 2:00:17.600 --> 2:00:20.680 zig zagging, and eventually the zig zags get smaller and 2:00:20.760 --> 2:00:22.920 smaller and smaller than zig zag turns into a straight 2:00:23.000 --> 2:00:27.320 line going towards the river bank, and like vally'd be 2:00:27.440 --> 2:00:30.360 better get ready and take the situation seriously, you know, 2:00:30.760 --> 2:00:33.480 And uh he gets He actually goes up on one 2:00:33.520 --> 2:00:37.080 of those bluffs that you described and does a few 2:00:37.120 --> 2:00:39.640 circles up there, and I'm thinking, man, you know, if 2:00:39.680 --> 2:00:43.480 he pitches, it's on, you know, but there's also a 2:00:43.520 --> 2:00:45.400 really good chance that he's gonna do a few circles 2:00:45.440 --> 2:00:46.960 and just sitting there and gobble at us for the 2:00:47.040 --> 2:00:49.720 next hour and then go back up to that machine shop, 2:00:49.800 --> 2:00:51.320 and you know that would be at the end of 2:00:51.360 --> 2:00:55.720 the story. Well, lucky for us, he pitches and lands 2:00:55.880 --> 2:00:59.680 on the Mojave Desert Sandy Beach don't like to fly 2:01:00.040 --> 2:01:03.320 two or three hundred yards away, and uh goes into 2:01:03.400 --> 2:01:05.920 full strut for a second, drops full strut, and then 2:01:06.000 --> 2:01:09.600 just starts be lining it towards us. And uh yeah, 2:01:09.800 --> 2:01:13.640 definitely one of the more incredible and more interesting wild 2:01:13.880 --> 2:01:18.600 calling I've been in, uh part of to see one 2:01:18.680 --> 2:01:20.800 fly across the river and they walk across the Sandy 2:01:20.880 --> 2:01:24.160 Beach to me, Um, you got you got all this 2:01:25.040 --> 2:01:27.760 on your phone video? That's right, that's right. I made 2:01:27.760 --> 2:01:30.360 a little Instagram story as they call it, and I 2:01:30.440 --> 2:01:33.080 saved it in my Highlights, which I learned about recently, 2:01:33.400 --> 2:01:36.480 and it's like, it's a pretty happy you can go 2:01:36.640 --> 2:01:40.960 check it out. Fine, just at Janie Poodles. That's right, 2:01:41.160 --> 2:01:45.800 it's actually yeah Janice Underscore, who tell us so proud 2:01:45.840 --> 2:01:49.960 of your Instagram? J Underscore? No j A N I 2:01:50.360 --> 2:01:54.680 s underscore p U T E L I s Yeah, 2:01:54.880 --> 2:02:00.440 And under Highlights, wasn't it? It was twitched it okay, 2:02:03.120 --> 2:02:05.040 snake it easier. He's like, I am a Latvian, I 2:02:05.080 --> 2:02:07.840 am a hunter, but his name is that all I am. 2:02:07.960 --> 2:02:10.560 It's if you go on Instagram you want to see 2:02:10.640 --> 2:02:12.600 the deer hung up in the fence, go at Steven 2:02:12.680 --> 2:02:15.160 Ronella and then we're not. When you're there, go to follow. 2:02:16.440 --> 2:02:18.320 I guess I got into a weird place of like 2:02:18.520 --> 2:02:24.480 being like the whole cute Instagram handle thing and you 2:02:24.520 --> 2:02:26.680 know what I mean. So anyways, I went playing simple 2:02:27.600 --> 2:02:33.720 be an old Calori. So this bird come nothing right 2:02:33.880 --> 2:02:36.680 to the grassy bank, and I thought he was gonna come. 2:02:36.880 --> 2:02:39.560 He's sort of. At some point he went perpendicular to 2:02:39.640 --> 2:02:41.760 us a little bit to get on the bank, which 2:02:41.800 --> 2:02:43.640 at first I was nervous about because I thought he 2:02:43.720 --> 2:02:45.160 was gonna we're gonna lose sight of him, and then 2:02:45.160 --> 2:02:46.600 he was going to get into the thick stuff and 2:02:46.640 --> 2:02:48.880 then actually maybe even circle us and come through the 2:02:49.240 --> 2:02:51.560 thick stuff and pop out it, you know, five or 2:02:51.600 --> 2:02:54.480 ten yards. But instead he gets just he just wanted 2:02:54.520 --> 2:02:57.000 to get up on our level. And uh he started 2:02:57.040 --> 2:02:59.360 coming right at us. And the whole time we're you know, 2:02:59.520 --> 2:03:01.680 just basically sitting there with his fan in front of us, 2:03:01.760 --> 2:03:04.360 and uh turn it back and forth, moving it up 2:03:04.360 --> 2:03:06.879 and down a little bit. And uh, yeah, he gobbled 2:03:06.960 --> 2:03:10.320 and strutted and all the way to thirty yards and 2:03:10.400 --> 2:03:13.400 then I made a couple of calls and got him 2:03:13.400 --> 2:03:16.920 to stretch his neck out. Yeah, Danielle was all over him. 2:03:17.400 --> 2:03:20.520 And then she turned to you and said, holy sh it, 2:03:25.120 --> 2:03:28.040 but yeah, yeah, did I think about hunt with Danny, 2:03:28.080 --> 2:03:30.040 Like a lot of times you hunt with people and 2:03:30.120 --> 2:03:32.480 they get something, and I have this thing. I started 2:03:32.480 --> 2:03:36.240 worrying about the meat. YEP. I'm like, you know, are 2:03:36.280 --> 2:03:39.880 they gonna You're worried about what's gonna happen to it? 2:03:39.960 --> 2:03:42.160 Are they gonna put in the freezer and freezer burn it? 2:03:42.280 --> 2:03:44.680 And never forget and forget about it and throw it out, 2:03:45.400 --> 2:03:48.200 but nicely the hunt with like a wild game, like 2:03:48.240 --> 2:03:50.200 a real serious wild game coad, you never have to 2:03:50.240 --> 2:03:53.520 have that concern. Yeah, she tried to render the turkey 2:03:53.600 --> 2:03:56.120 fat out of its sponge. So did it work. She 2:03:56.160 --> 2:03:59.600 made a broth out of it out of the damn sponge. Yeah, 2:03:59.640 --> 2:04:01.680 which he's saying. The broth is good, not much fat, 2:04:02.640 --> 2:04:06.480 but the rendering liquid was good. That's interesting. Now that's 2:04:06.560 --> 2:04:09.320 next level wild game. You know how most of us 2:04:09.400 --> 2:04:11.720 has the big box or the turkeys coming in. We 2:04:11.760 --> 2:04:14.240 have these visions of Grandeur that I like to call him, 2:04:14.280 --> 2:04:17.200 which means in my head, I'm like already I'm not 2:04:17.400 --> 2:04:20.680 purposely thinking this, but my brain, my little subconscious ego, 2:04:20.880 --> 2:04:23.480 does this where somehow I drift off to like the 2:04:23.560 --> 2:04:25.560 time when I'm gonna be back at the tailgate with 2:04:25.680 --> 2:04:28.160 Cal and Ben Steve and we'll be looking at the 2:04:28.280 --> 2:04:32.200 spurs and high five and having a beer or maybe 2:04:32.240 --> 2:04:35.360 like thinking about what the European Mount is gonna look 2:04:35.400 --> 2:04:38.280 like on the wall. You know, it's it's so weird 2:04:38.360 --> 2:04:41.080 that the brain does that, but it does because it's 2:04:41.120 --> 2:04:43.520 not like I don't I'm not sitting there going oh yeah, 2:04:43.880 --> 2:04:47.360 you know, I can I just drift away, But Danielle 2:04:47.560 --> 2:04:50.240 was instead of her visions of Grande were more like 2:04:51.320 --> 2:04:54.400 tacos out of the thighs, and then this is gonna 2:04:54.440 --> 2:04:56.480 need the breast, and then I got this idea about 2:04:56.640 --> 2:05:01.160 the Pope snows that I'm gonna do, and she was yeah, 2:05:01.760 --> 2:05:03.720 the point being that, yeah, she had a big plan 2:05:03.880 --> 2:05:06.080 for every single do I gotta worry about it. That's 2:05:06.120 --> 2:05:08.040 I don't like that feeling of worrying about what someone's 2:05:08.040 --> 2:05:10.840 gonna do with what they just got. And in the 2:05:10.880 --> 2:05:14.160 minute they're like, like, do you want mine? Just take it? 2:05:14.800 --> 2:05:16.800 Because I'm like, if that's what you're I'm gonna take 2:05:16.840 --> 2:05:18.840 it because I'll make sure it's something. I'll get it 2:05:18.880 --> 2:05:20.600 in the right hands. And I don't trust you anymore. 2:05:21.040 --> 2:05:25.000 She uh, yeah, she made some incredible Uh would she 2:05:25.080 --> 2:05:29.880 call him tequila line? I believe mine tequila tacos out 2:05:29.920 --> 2:05:37.800 of the thigh mostly. I think Turkey on especially. I 2:05:37.800 --> 2:05:40.600 don't know if it's more than other, but most people 2:05:40.640 --> 2:05:43.560 you run into are talking about the breasts and the 2:05:43.600 --> 2:05:47.120 breast only like not this crew, but most people in 2:05:47.200 --> 2:05:49.320 my experience that run into were talking about that way. 2:05:50.160 --> 2:05:53.760 There's a there's this like a slight expansion to legs 2:05:53.800 --> 2:05:56.680 and thighs, but taking it a little further like Yannie does. 2:05:56.920 --> 2:06:02.760 Gizzard's hearts, livers and things like that. Sponge I think 2:06:02.920 --> 2:06:05.160 is his critical man. It's oh, you know what I'm 2:06:05.200 --> 2:06:07.480 doing this year, and I'll be reporting back here in 2:06:07.560 --> 2:06:12.240 a while. But I've saved every single uh turkey foot 2:06:12.560 --> 2:06:16.600 or I guess what's what's below the drumstick stock. I'm 2:06:16.640 --> 2:06:20.880 gonna try making stock, yeah, because a lot of chefs 2:06:20.960 --> 2:06:25.480 make they consider the best stock out of chicken feet exactly. Yeah. Now, 2:06:25.480 --> 2:06:27.480 I take the spurs and cut each side of the 2:06:27.520 --> 2:06:30.160 spur you taught you taught me that trick. So it's 2:06:30.160 --> 2:06:31.880 just a spur and a little bit of the leg bone. 2:06:32.360 --> 2:06:33.840 Drill a hole in it. And I got a thing 2:06:33.880 --> 2:06:35.640 that I used to pull the lights onto my garage, 2:06:35.680 --> 2:06:38.000 and I string him on that string. It's real nice. 2:06:38.040 --> 2:06:39.920 Someday someone's gonna come and steal that string from you. 2:06:39.960 --> 2:06:42.000 I'm gonna hunt them down and kill him. I've adopted, 2:06:42.120 --> 2:06:48.200 starting with this dark scenario halls uh way of um or. Yeah, 2:06:48.760 --> 2:06:53.240 his system of keeping tally or keeping uh you know, 2:06:53.320 --> 2:06:57.560 mementos from turkey hunts, which is one spur from each 2:06:57.640 --> 2:07:00.560 turkey and it goes onto a string, just one. You 2:07:00.640 --> 2:07:02.400 know what my other pool cord is, do you write 2:07:02.440 --> 2:07:07.840 something on the Spanish mackerel's jaw And the other pool 2:07:07.920 --> 2:07:11.000 cord is turkey spurs. Turn the turkey spur light down? 2:07:11.040 --> 2:07:15.880 But cut your hand? Am I? Uh downgraded because I don't. 2:07:16.200 --> 2:07:17.920 I kill a lot of turkeys, but I don't save 2:07:18.360 --> 2:07:20.320 I mean, I have some fans and stuff in my freezer, 2:07:20.360 --> 2:07:25.960 but I don't anything. And I've mentioned the thousand million times, 2:07:26.080 --> 2:07:28.480 but I had the spur earrings made for my wife. Yeah, 2:07:29.040 --> 2:07:31.160 I don't. Yeah, I just don't. Have never struck me 2:07:31.240 --> 2:07:34.120 that I had to save him. That's good for any like. Yeah, 2:07:34.240 --> 2:07:37.640 I look down on um. Good checking in on that. 2:07:38.560 --> 2:07:43.120 So fourth quarter hunt cat, we we have to go. 2:07:44.000 --> 2:07:46.040 Some folks have to go to the airport. Some folks 2:07:46.120 --> 2:07:49.120 have to go to UM the Stars in the sky, 2:07:50.560 --> 2:07:56.080 UH doc viewing, UH slash fundraiser at the Yeady store 2:07:56.120 --> 2:07:58.360 all the way back in Austin. So we have a 2:07:58.400 --> 2:08:02.120 couple hours to hunt. Uh Janis and I decided to 2:08:02.440 --> 2:08:05.320 hop in the little rand trig the side by side 2:08:05.920 --> 2:08:10.520 and UH try to hit this general zone that really 2:08:10.640 --> 2:08:16.080 hadn't been uh touched since opening since our opening morning, 2:08:17.240 --> 2:08:19.360 and that's where the birds. Ben and I found the 2:08:19.400 --> 2:08:20.760 birds and they were strutting on the other side of 2:08:20.800 --> 2:08:25.880 the fence, and um, that was we had stopped several 2:08:26.000 --> 2:08:28.480 times to try to locate and get a response. We 2:08:28.640 --> 2:08:31.960 finally get to this point and we get a far 2:08:32.160 --> 2:08:38.360 off gobble on the other side of the property of 2:08:38.640 --> 2:08:44.120 our property. But it's like where you gotta put all 2:08:44.160 --> 2:08:46.800 your eggs in one basket at some point in the 2:08:46.880 --> 2:08:52.000 ticking clock scenario. It was worth a try, right, Yeah, 2:08:52.320 --> 2:08:53.800 So we went up there and set up on him 2:08:53.840 --> 2:08:58.040 twice just to kind of know, just to cut the distance. 2:08:58.200 --> 2:09:00.240 You know, you never know exactly how far he is 2:09:00.320 --> 2:09:04.160 until he's pretty much within shotgun range. And uh, the 2:09:04.240 --> 2:09:06.360 fence was a problem, but he started parallel in the 2:09:06.480 --> 2:09:11.160 fence and then luckily for us, we get to a 2:09:11.240 --> 2:09:14.760 point where the fence it takes a hard right. So, yeah, 2:09:16.320 --> 2:09:18.600 there's a ninety degree turn on the fence, and so 2:09:19.360 --> 2:09:22.440 you can imagine if two folks are paralleling a straight 2:09:22.520 --> 2:09:26.880 line and then there's a ninety degree turn, all of 2:09:26.920 --> 2:09:34.400 a sudden, you're basically face to face faced beak Man 2:09:34.520 --> 2:09:37.360 fences played a big role in You just gonna say 2:09:37.400 --> 2:09:39.640 the same thing. I'm like, it's the story of fences, man, 2:09:40.920 --> 2:09:47.400 the whole story of fences. I like that. Yeah, rap 2:09:47.560 --> 2:09:52.760 ro running along. We uh we saw three gobblers. What 2:09:53.080 --> 2:09:55.560 we thought we were chasing was one ended up being three, 2:09:55.840 --> 2:09:58.360 and uh, cal put that. We had to creep around 2:09:58.400 --> 2:10:00.280 that little corner and cow put the fan up. At 2:10:00.360 --> 2:10:02.520 some point I called I don't know what I called for. 2:10:02.800 --> 2:10:06.480 I do remember they all three of them simultaneously. Gob 2:10:07.480 --> 2:10:10.879 They saw the fan and you could see the wheels 2:10:10.960 --> 2:10:13.880 turned for a few seconds, and then they pretty much 2:10:14.000 --> 2:10:17.400 charged in. This was my first experience watching the fan 2:10:17.520 --> 2:10:20.400 in action, and you could just see like everybody was 2:10:20.520 --> 2:10:24.680 strapped and then they were like first one gets her, 2:10:25.680 --> 2:10:29.760 like everybody relaxes and just starts straight line. And so 2:10:30.080 --> 2:10:34.320 I shot one and then uh, the other ones jumped 2:10:34.360 --> 2:10:37.360 on his dead buddy and it's pecking and spurn him 2:10:37.400 --> 2:10:40.839 and whatnot. And then I realized that we had four tags. 2:10:40.960 --> 2:10:42.840 And I'm like, couch, she didn't know that one. He's like, 2:10:42.880 --> 2:10:49.800 if you want the meat, yeah, we'll have to touch 2:10:49.880 --> 2:10:51.920 on that next time. We're talking about turkeys, which probably 2:10:51.960 --> 2:10:57.200 won't be long. Is uh a, Turkey's proclivity to one 2:10:57.280 --> 2:11:01.320 his buddy is harvested too when his buddy gets killed 2:11:01.760 --> 2:11:05.920 to then spur to attack Peck and spur his buddy. 2:11:06.360 --> 2:11:09.320 This is next level kicking a man when he's down. Yeah, 2:11:09.480 --> 2:11:13.280 they turn on each other real quick, assholes. And he's like, 2:11:13.400 --> 2:11:15.080 I've been watching you and now with my chance and 2:11:15.120 --> 2:11:17.800 not gonna spur you. And or if they walk away 2:11:17.880 --> 2:11:21.800 feeling like they killed him, Yeah, maybe if he's later 2:11:21.920 --> 2:11:24.080 like you know that one I was with, I killed him? 2:11:25.160 --> 2:11:28.560 He sure, he tripped and fell and I killed and 2:11:28.640 --> 2:11:30.760 I killed him. That took advantage of that, That's what 2:11:30.840 --> 2:11:34.520 he tells people later A lot. There was a loud noise. 2:11:34.800 --> 2:11:36.600 There was a loud noise. I don't know what it was. 2:11:37.280 --> 2:11:41.480 It caused him to trip and fall. He tripped and fell, 2:11:41.600 --> 2:11:44.160 and then I killed him with my beacon spurs, Steve, 2:11:44.440 --> 2:11:46.360 should we preview the thing that we filmed down there 2:11:46.400 --> 2:11:48.440 speaking of all this? Are we're going to keep that 2:11:48.640 --> 2:11:51.240 top top secret? Should be? Well? Yeah, we filmed the 2:11:51.360 --> 2:11:53.840 thing that explains a lot about Turkey. Is probably the 2:11:54.040 --> 2:11:58.240 best instructional Turkey piece ever made, the pre eminent uh 2:11:59.120 --> 2:12:02.400 in the in the descape of Turkey instructional videos. I've 2:12:02.440 --> 2:12:04.440 never read the book, but you could say we basically 2:12:04.560 --> 2:12:11.680 just like transcribed the book Seventh Legion Legion, Colonel this 2:12:11.800 --> 2:12:15.560 is more like Seventh Legion into a visual format that 2:12:15.640 --> 2:12:19.320 everybody can understand. Yeah, one of us is the Poet Laureate, 2:12:19.520 --> 2:12:22.960 the new Poet Laureate of Turkey Hunting. It's a it's 2:12:22.960 --> 2:12:25.800 a big deal. What are you nodding that before, Johnnie, 2:12:26.080 --> 2:12:28.200 because you look like you're about to wrap it up. 2:12:28.320 --> 2:12:31.720 I'm wrapping her up. You like do it. I'm wrapping 2:12:31.720 --> 2:12:32.760 her up. Thanks for joining