Speaker 1: This is me eat podcasting in you shirtless, severely bug
Speaker 1: bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't
Speaker 1: predict anything, Yanni, Um, you new haircut. I'm sorry about haircut?
Speaker 1: Your new haircut? Yes, just like kind of I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Yanni's got a butch. Yanni's daughters helped to give him
Speaker 1: a butch. You call us, but it's borderline butch. You
Speaker 1: feel like this is an endearing term, but that that's
Speaker 1: just one little like a like a three on your
Speaker 1: we're all haircater sister. Do you use the wall clippers? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Those are the those are the jam dude. I'm so
Speaker 1: jealous that haircut. Do you think I'm too thin on
Speaker 1: top to run that haircut? I don't think we'll know
Speaker 1: until you try. Nice thing about it is it grows
Speaker 1: out pretty in quick. But you know how you don't
Speaker 1: like when everyone has the same haircut. If I got
Speaker 1: that haircut, I think it's like military style because that's
Speaker 1: what I call it, more of just like a buzz cut.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know what butch means. Butch
Speaker 1: to me has a different negative connotation for for you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking. Let's tackle that for a minute. Okay,
Speaker 1: but um, I do want to get into that. I
Speaker 1: know folks referred to that style of haircut as a
Speaker 1: butcher cut. Dude, not growing up, butchut, that's a butcher cut.
Speaker 1: It's like they're there and there. You could have a
Speaker 1: word mean two different things. Oh, you definitely could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just never heard it called a butcher cut, but
Speaker 1: not or a butch Yeah, that's a When I went
Speaker 1: on my first date. When I went on my first
Speaker 1: date with my wife, it was a four day date
Speaker 1: and I had just gotten one of because I used
Speaker 1: to get those, and she made me she doesn't like
Speaker 1: him as much, but I got one. And I remember
Speaker 1: on our first date, which spanned a number of days. Um,
Speaker 1: three people asked if I was in the military. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you do get that, especially if you walk around like
Speaker 1: war Tex hoodie with a yeah, because you got a
Speaker 1: USA you got a US A match and a short
Speaker 1: haircut you got like you got a map of Faluja
Speaker 1: tattoo tattooed on your chest America. Are you at the point,
Speaker 1: Steve Stephen Ronnella where you are getting sunburned on the
Speaker 1: top of your head? No? No, And and I felt
Speaker 1: like I was standing out, but I feel like it's
Speaker 1: thickened back up again. That's not possible. Tell us about
Speaker 1: what product you've been using. Nothing. I use a medicated
Speaker 1: champ I use. I have a skin condition on my
Speaker 1: scalp and the next on the sides of my nose,
Speaker 1: So I use a medicaid shampoo if it's bothering me.
Speaker 1: If not, I use whatever's in the shower. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Are you a daily shampoo er? No,
Speaker 1: I don't take a shower every day, dude. I take
Speaker 1: a shower like I take a shower every three days.
Speaker 1: And then do you shampoo? Oh? Yeah, if I get
Speaker 1: in there, I'm shampoo. Let's let's let's take a pull
Speaker 1: on showers two to three days right now. But typical
Speaker 1: when I'm like up and running, when you're not crashing
Speaker 1: at a buddy's house. Yeah, I'm a shower every day
Speaker 1: a guy, Yeah, every day, But I I do if
Speaker 1: more to wake up, that's time. Even if I'm clean,
Speaker 1: you don't feel grimy like you don't feel like I
Speaker 1: could wake up when I wake up in the morning.
Speaker 1: I typically I don't change my clothes. I don't unless
Speaker 1: i'm like coming down to the office, and I feel
Speaker 1: like I should I'll wear I'll wear my saying I
Speaker 1: wake up and put my same clothes back on, change
Speaker 1: my ownies, put my same clothes back on. I'll do
Speaker 1: that for a few days, even shirt. Sometimes I don't
Speaker 1: like to generate a lot of laundry, and I don't
Speaker 1: like to be getting in and out of the shower
Speaker 1: and having to dry off all the time. Would it
Speaker 1: be safe to say that you're just the general principle
Speaker 1: is low maintenance. That's why you like the haircut. That's
Speaker 1: why I don't look a lot of laundry. I like
Speaker 1: that haircut. I don't like my kids leave the mono laundry.
Speaker 1: They generate a staggering Oh yeah, buddy, tell me about it.
Speaker 1: And it's frowned upon to throw your kids in the
Speaker 1: same clothes and send them back out to school. I
Speaker 1: do it whenever I can. Yeah. I had words my
Speaker 1: mother in law not long ago about that. She was
Speaker 1: really upset that I did it, and I said, I've
Speaker 1: been doing that my entire life, and look at me,
Speaker 1: I'm fine. Um. The only time you have to say,
Speaker 1: look at me, I'm fine. It's been a game changer
Speaker 1: is I've taught my girls to when they take their
Speaker 1: clothes off, to turn them right side out and put
Speaker 1: them into the dirty laundry bin. So because I think
Speaker 1: when you're folding, you spend more time turning the closes
Speaker 1: right side out and you do actually fold them. That's true.
Speaker 1: That helps. That's a good thing to teach your kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think parents of young kids, you can start
Speaker 1: to feel like all you do is laundry. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: I don't have meaningful the reason I don't engage. I
Speaker 1: handle the cooking in the house, and I handle a
Speaker 1: lot of the dishwashing and whatnot for the most part.
Speaker 1: But I don't engage in laundry outside of my own
Speaker 1: laundry because I don't have meaningful input. Meaningful input to
Speaker 1: me looks like, uh, what constitutes a dirty towel, what
Speaker 1: constitutes dirty clothes? My definition is different than my wife's.
Speaker 1: So I would have them get up and put the
Speaker 1: same clothes back on again for several days if need be.
Speaker 1: And I don't believe in separating your colors heavens now no.
Speaker 1: So since since I'm like, I will do family laundry
Speaker 1: if if I can move the move the rules here
Speaker 1: a little bit in my direction. But since people are
Speaker 1: unwilling to move in my direction on a couple of
Speaker 1: key things, I don't engage. That sounds fair. It strikes
Speaker 1: my involvement. It comes with full involvement. If you want this,
Speaker 1: you're getting the whole thing. Now, it strikes me that
Speaker 1: we all have You have zero kids, I have one
Speaker 1: Yoanni has two. You have three. So we have all levels.
Speaker 1: It's pretty much covered. We got it all covered. So
Speaker 1: we have every level of child rearing. So cal has
Speaker 1: no laundry to do. I have a small amount of amount,
Speaker 1: a larger amount for and then even a larger amount
Speaker 1: of infinite infinite laundry. Uh speaking all that, look at
Speaker 1: this segue. Um, we're talking about cleanliness, right, what do
Speaker 1: you put in when you're doing laundry? What do you
Speaker 1: what do you put in there in a little receptacle
Speaker 1: up top laundry detergent? Well, yeah, but you could also
Speaker 1: sit call it guys sent in um better fat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta sending a bunch of soap that he makes
Speaker 1: some game fat. I like this guy, which is cool,
Speaker 1: the dude, uh farmcare soaps. Now, obviously you run into
Speaker 1: a problem with like uh selling wild game parts, which
Speaker 1: I don't know the rules when you're making soap, like
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know the rules on that. You
Speaker 1: can't sell the meat, right, you can sell you can
Speaker 1: sell a bear hide, you can't sell bear meat. I
Speaker 1: don't know where you're at if you're selling bear fat soap.
Speaker 1: But he plays it safe and doesn't sell the bear
Speaker 1: fat soap, but people will. He has friends I gather
Speaker 1: who will bring him deer fat and bear fat and
Speaker 1: he'll make him up some soap he send his soap
Speaker 1: made out of this is bear grease or bear oil.
Speaker 1: And then what's interesting is there's a way that soap dudes, Um,
Speaker 1: there's the way that soap dudes like score soap. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing called I haven't read this is carefully as
Speaker 1: I wish I had read it. Uh, And he's got
Speaker 1: this little breakdown here. He breaks down all the wild
Speaker 1: all the wild fat, like how salmon oil performs, how
Speaker 1: bear tallow. He's even got how rabbit tallow so like,
Speaker 1: rabbit fats attributes, goose fat attributes, regular pigs, mink oil attributes.
Speaker 1: And then the number which is called an I S
Speaker 1: I N S number, which I'm gonna have to look
Speaker 1: up the highest rancor the highest number is um dear
Speaker 1: tallow has the highest I N S value. Whatever the
Speaker 1: hell that is? Iodine and sap. I like this guy's uh,
Speaker 1: he's covering all his bases with this one. Speaking of
Speaker 1: deer tallo, he's from Elkton, Maryland. He's got a picture
Speaker 1: of a secret deer and the ingredient is deer tallow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: got got her all covered. I think he's making a
Speaker 1: nod towards Maryland. There soap. He also makes a sap
Speaker 1: which I don't get and it doesn't excite me at all.
Speaker 1: Is Cabernet saviognan. Because you don't mean you're not a soap.
Speaker 1: You're a soap every three day. Have you a soap
Speaker 1: every day? Guy? You would understand that's a look how
Speaker 1: it's smell it? Give it a give it a smell.
Speaker 1: This this honey and lemon is delicious. This one has
Speaker 1: the vague outline of the word soap on it, as
Speaker 1: if to say he's got a lot of other things
Speaker 1: laying around that looked like that. You scratched soap. Some
Speaker 1: companies will scratch the word dial do it. You just
Speaker 1: scratched the word soap into it because it could be
Speaker 1: in a chalk, could be in a race, or you
Speaker 1: don't know what that because this is like a This
Speaker 1: is a level of wild game that I haven't touched
Speaker 1: on yet. But I think it's pretty damn interesting. I
Speaker 1: think it's very interesting, and I think everybody here probably
Speaker 1: feels the same way to a degree. When you turn
Speaker 1: a certain corner, you or at a level of commitment
Speaker 1: where your life allows for nothing else. Though, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like if all of a sudden I was in
Speaker 1: the soap making game in addition to canning, preserve, bang, yeah,
Speaker 1: the general putting up of meat, then it's like you
Speaker 1: gotta have somebody else with another four of income in
Speaker 1: the household. Do you become the soap guy? Right? You
Speaker 1: do it so much like yeah, tim old Timy makes soap.
Speaker 1: That's like your person, that's your identity. At some point
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, so you got to figure out all
Speaker 1: the way. I'm jealous of it, but I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna just to be in total Honestly, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna start making my own soap for my wild game.
Speaker 1: But Yanni's wife wants to make some soap up the
Speaker 1: many reason. She wants me to kill a fall bear
Speaker 1: so it has a whole bunch of fat. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: why not do it with the deer? Why not? I
Speaker 1: guess Yeah, we get trying. She just already have I
Speaker 1: took some of those out of the box. Have you
Speaker 1: been using it at home now that your hair still
Speaker 1: short and you scrub your head with bar soap? I
Speaker 1: haven't done that yet. We've just been using it as
Speaker 1: a hand soap in our downstairs bathroom because you know
Speaker 1: it's so nice and fancy you kind of want, you know,
Speaker 1: guests and everybody. No, I would say this is is
Speaker 1: this artisan? As an overused word? Ship man? I think
Speaker 1: the me and lemon is what we've been Uh that
Speaker 1: artist and bread? You got, not artist and bread? Hey,
Speaker 1: taste moving on a dude. Uh, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: turkeys on turkeys. Uh, this is something we've have. We
Speaker 1: talked about this before. A guy wrote in his saying, like, man,
Speaker 1: you Fellers got it all wrong, saying um killed. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say you killed a turkey, he said, you should
Speaker 1: say harvested it, because you're just playing into the anti
Speaker 1: hunter's hands by saying he killed it. I I understand
Speaker 1: I do, But I feel like a big part of
Speaker 1: I feel like the game has been lost if we
Speaker 1: become so detached from the fact that meat in order
Speaker 1: to eat meat, death is associated with it. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be meat, mind you, whatever you eat your
Speaker 1: in it. Very true. But if a farmer told me
Speaker 1: I went out and harvest did that field of corn?
Speaker 1: I picture what he's talking about. If a farmer told me,
Speaker 1: you know what, I went out killed all that corn
Speaker 1: in that field? What if he said I would think
Speaker 1: that he, uh put round up on it. I spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time. I spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: thinking about this. Why. I don't know, because it annoys me.
Speaker 1: The harvest thing annoys me. It's like, why are you watering?
Speaker 1: Why are you watering down the thing you're doing? Like,
Speaker 1: we'll just admit to what what you're doing. The need
Speaker 1: to have a word two cloak that we're killing a
Speaker 1: thing is an issue to me. Well, no, because it
Speaker 1: implies using Now you kill the animal, you harvest the meat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're harvesting, like you're not. The thing that harvest doesn't
Speaker 1: get to is that you didn't put the animal there.
Speaker 1: You put the corn there. But you didn't put that.
Speaker 1: You didn't plant the animal and grow it there like
Speaker 1: that animal is there, happened to be where you were
Speaker 1: from from our standpoint, just by happenstance, good point. Harvest
Speaker 1: does imply, but accept it like farm animal, You're not
Speaker 1: going to change the wording. You don't harvest of you
Speaker 1: don't harvest some beef. Yeah, listen to this though. Slaughter sure,
Speaker 1: or kill no, But that's what I'm saying. No farmers,
Speaker 1: no rancher would say, um, I killed the we killed
Speaker 1: the pig, slaughter to the pig, which to me has
Speaker 1: a connotation of just like it means killing farm animals.
Speaker 1: We're getting into some murky water because I do think
Speaker 1: like the lower the numbers, the more you would here
Speaker 1: kill like hey I had I went out and killed
Speaker 1: lamb this morning. Yeah, but now listen to this. I
Speaker 1: just just thought of this because we talked about this
Speaker 1: um in a different way. But reap what you sow?
Speaker 1: The term reap right, that gets used all the time
Speaker 1: and like kind of maccab ways of killing people like
Speaker 1: the grim reaper. Yeah, a ridge reapers called the ridge
Speaker 1: reapers reper camels. And when you when you technically or
Speaker 1: not technically when you some people call going behind the
Speaker 1: fan of a turkey and and and approaching a turkey,
Speaker 1: they call that reaping really because you're taking like a
Speaker 1: scythe and cutting it low, cutting it well, But that
Speaker 1: is like I went out and reaped the field today, right,
Speaker 1: Do you know where I'm going with this? No, not
Speaker 1: at all. That's the literal definition of the y. And
Speaker 1: then the figurative would be if you return to like
Speaker 1: the return to the world harvest, like in the definition
Speaker 1: of the word harvest is crop. Right, the definition of
Speaker 1: crop is something that you produced yourself. You grew it,
Speaker 1: You harvested your crop. You did not grow that, dear,
Speaker 1: you did not. Even if you set up a you know,
Speaker 1: like our boy Mark Kenyon set up an environment where
Speaker 1: the deer likes to live and then sneak in there
Speaker 1: and kill it, you didn't grow it there. People gave
Speaker 1: it a place to live. You kind of grew you
Speaker 1: kind of grew it, but you didn't grow. Then, if
Speaker 1: you're high fense situation where you're putting ear tags and things,
Speaker 1: and you're if you're breeding, if you're breeding a deer,
Speaker 1: maybe we can start to get having. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: make them breed, the deer comes out and then you
Speaker 1: put it out in a little fence and kill it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you probably did harvest Probably is a crop at that point.
Speaker 1: Our new babysitter just came off of working on a
Speaker 1: do your operation in New Zealand where they harvest the
Speaker 1: velvet and harvesting the velvet, you know, get a couple
Speaker 1: of velvet, harvests off it, then they slaughter it. For me,
Speaker 1: I would I would agree with that. If you went
Speaker 1: out and picked the morrell Would you ever say I
Speaker 1: harvested some Morrell's, I'd say I reaped it. I've been
Speaker 1: just we can reap some morrels. You pick morrel's, You
Speaker 1: slaughter beef, you killed turkeys? Yeah, man, that's we should
Speaker 1: have a shirt just like that that says that exact thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody got all high on different words for like,
Speaker 1: a group of zebras is a what ynny that one?
Speaker 1: I don't know? Oh damnit, crash. It's a crash of
Speaker 1: zebras or something like that. It's a crash of rhinos
Speaker 1: or something like that. It's a flamboyance of flamingos. Remember
Speaker 1: that you can't crash of rhinos dazzlezzle that everybody got
Speaker 1: all hip on that because someone came up with the thing,
Speaker 1: showed it all, and then everybody got all into like
Speaker 1: what words mean? What? A murder of crow of crows
Speaker 1: is a big one that Yeah, you can it might
Speaker 1: be a sweet shirt. It says pick next to it.
Speaker 1: What do you call it? Corn harvest and the turkey kill?
Speaker 1: What do you call a group of giraffes? I don't
Speaker 1: know the tower. No there right, I just got back
Speaker 1: from the Texas Hill Country. Yeah, Ben, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to suffice as it. I mean years spent in Texas,
Speaker 1: like three or four, so you're a Texas expert. Yeah. Thanks.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like the Wikipedia version of saying Texas
Speaker 1: dudes are so sensitive they're gonna be particularly Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be like listening to this pouring over it. Uh.
Speaker 1: You were saying that we hunted on the Lano River,
Speaker 1: which can be Lano for Yano. I prefer Yanna. I
Speaker 1: prefer Yana. But I was corrected many times. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: cannot be Yano. The Yano is in the Panhandle, I
Speaker 1: was told, and I said, yeah, anyway, we're hunting near Burnett, Texas.
Speaker 1: And he said it's Burnett. You can't even say that, right, Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: real quick. Yano Esticado, which is in Texas, yes, and
Speaker 1: New Mexico. I believe Oklahoma is that because it's up
Speaker 1: in the Panhandle. The Yanno esticado is an entirely in Texas.
Speaker 1: It's a big landscape feature. It's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: a vast plateau that falls away on very steep edges
Speaker 1: around it. And once upon a time, the command she
Speaker 1: used to go up and vanish on top of that
Speaker 1: thing where it's very hard and hard to exist and
Speaker 1: lack of water, and sometimes they would hide out in
Speaker 1: the canyons where the Yanno Esticado breaks away. The Yanno
Speaker 1: esticado means steaked planes. So the Yanno River. How in
Speaker 1: the hell is the Lanto same same spelling, same spelling,
Speaker 1: the same. And there's also the Lano Uplift, which is
Speaker 1: a is a big granite dome that's in the hill
Speaker 1: country that people always talk about is that the Yano Uplift.
Speaker 1: Is that the thing we were looking at, that rock
Speaker 1: is amazing And I don't know if that's a I
Speaker 1: don't think that was right. Uh, But but we're in
Speaker 1: full on Texas Hill country. Yeah, which is a term.
Speaker 1: I've been here in my whole life, but I don't
Speaker 1: know what it meant. Well, there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: to me, A lot of things. It means to me,
Speaker 1: Like you think of the granite and limestone, like those
Speaker 1: big you know in the Lna River, those big cliff
Speaker 1: faces in the hill country and the sandstone. It's out there, um,
Speaker 1: but really it stretches. They say it's the border between
Speaker 1: the southeast and the southwest, so it stretches almost all
Speaker 1: the way over to the border of Mexico and up
Speaker 1: into East Texas, which is a big deal. So it's
Speaker 1: a there's a lot of varying terrain. But we were
Speaker 1: in where I used to live and just south where
Speaker 1: we were as the gateway to the hill country. Dripping Springs.
Speaker 1: Dripping is one of the more pleasant town names. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where and there was like I'll move there. There was
Speaker 1: many dripping springs. It's only dripping. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: natural springs. There's a natural spring on one of the
Speaker 1: properties we were hunting on that Yanni and I got
Speaker 1: to look at. Um. So we were in kind of
Speaker 1: the beginning of the hill country with stretches across Texas,
Speaker 1: which is very landscape. But I think of I think
Speaker 1: of those limestone and sandstone cliffs and stuff that you
Speaker 1: see when you're driving west. Why is the hill is
Speaker 1: the hill country more known for high fences and axotics
Speaker 1: running around than other parts of Texas? It just in
Speaker 1: you're and you're like superficial understanding of Texas, my superficial understanding.
Speaker 1: I've seen it more there than I've seen in other places.
Speaker 1: Where we're hunting. We're hunting on a We hunted on
Speaker 1: a farm, not a farm, a former ranch, recreation, a
Speaker 1: recreational ranch turned recreational properties acres um not fenced, No,
Speaker 1: not high fence. There's fences pretty much all other properties
Speaker 1: that fenced all. And driving out of there, we ran
Speaker 1: into two Zebras Dazzle there was that a Dazzle Mini
Speaker 1: Dazzle Mini Dazzle too Zeebras to stand there, which is
Speaker 1: like very disconcerting to see. And there's a lot of
Speaker 1: that the bad way. We're just like, wow, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of the first time I was, the first I
Speaker 1: think week that I was in Texas, we were driving
Speaker 1: through the hill country to go hike at some state park.
Speaker 1: And which is what you gotta hike on. I don't
Speaker 1: there because there's not a public ground to do it.
Speaker 1: So we're driving out. We're driving down this high with
Speaker 1: a buddy and I look over and there's a bongo
Speaker 1: like standing on the side of the road, just not
Speaker 1: behind a fence, just standing on the the side the road
Speaker 1: eating grass. And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're around.
Speaker 1: What do you mean they're around. That's an East African
Speaker 1: jungle antelope. It's not what are you talking about saying, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you see those around. They must have got out of
Speaker 1: the high fence. And that is always what you here
Speaker 1: down there. Oh yeah, there's a z brotherre's an elk.
Speaker 1: There's a We had a red deer run across the road.
Speaker 1: I mean I typically hunted by driving them out of
Speaker 1: the jungle into less dance jungle with buses guided by pygmies.
Speaker 1: And you're running dogs through the jungle and uh, you
Speaker 1: flush them into like zones of like twenty yard openings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a big critter. That's like the second largest n
Speaker 1: African antelope I think behind the eland. It's a big critter.
Speaker 1: It's not a small I mean, it's like kind of
Speaker 1: a bronzy orange color. So it's not something you see
Speaker 1: in this continent or this at least in the in
Speaker 1: the in the state. Yeah, it's it's we have coming up.
Speaker 1: We're doing an episode with the head of Texas Parks.
Speaker 1: It's Parks and Wildlife. Yes, Texas Parks and Wildlife. And
Speaker 1: I have a million questions for him. If you have
Speaker 1: a question, if there's other Northerners, other Yankees out there. Oh,
Speaker 1: I want to return to the word butch for a minute. Um,
Speaker 1: there's other Yankees out there who have questions, Like we're
Speaker 1: just like, how could that possibly be? If you have
Speaker 1: a question for a Texan, you can email in and
Speaker 1: we'll we'll we'll collate the questions and then we can
Speaker 1: go ask the Texas Parks and Wildlife guy. My question
Speaker 1: is going to be, is it legal? Are you really
Speaker 1: allowed to just take any animal from anywhere and cut
Speaker 1: it loose on your property. I feel like the answer
Speaker 1: is yes from all my experience answers. Yes. I would
Speaker 1: be interested to hear his take on it, Like if
Speaker 1: someone gave you a jaguar, mm hmm, could you be
Speaker 1: like I'm turning to the jaguar out on my property.
Speaker 1: They can't has to be regular. There's there's a regulations,
Speaker 1: but there's not for a zebra. So how right I'm
Speaker 1: dying to know? I mean, I can I can tell you.
Speaker 1: Like when we were talking about where we were in
Speaker 1: the Hill country in Atlanto or Yana or Lano, whatever
Speaker 1: you please, We'll go Lana. Like the guys that the
Speaker 1: ranch we were hunting on, we're saying that that's used
Speaker 1: to be like South Texas, big tracks of land, big
Speaker 1: tracks are ranches like you know, Uh, it's pretty common
Speaker 1: in that area, the hill country where's kind of outside
Speaker 1: of Austin. There's they basically taking these large ranches and
Speaker 1: parceled them up and sold them through history. I don't
Speaker 1: know the history of all that. But now you have
Speaker 1: a thousand, two thousand, five hundred six hundred acre properties
Speaker 1: and with a wholly different land use ideas on each one.
Speaker 1: And so when we were down there, you see offense, offense, offense, offense,
Speaker 1: another fence, another fence, because there's there is no twenty
Speaker 1: thousand acre untouched habitat down there like I've seen in
Speaker 1: South Texas. So it's challenging. You'll see, I mean, we
Speaker 1: saw black buck we saw red deer. We saw high
Speaker 1: fence and then five strand very unwildlife friendly fencing. Yeah tough,
Speaker 1: but yeah yeah. Do you mean that the regular fence,
Speaker 1: not the high fence, but just the raider cattle fence. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We found a picture, not found a picture. Ran into
Speaker 1: a deer that had gone to jump, had had gone
Speaker 1: to jump offence. This is like you see this often
Speaker 1: and like pictures like just picture of bar ware has
Speaker 1: has got a bunch of strands on it and it
Speaker 1: got its leg between So it shot a leg in
Speaker 1: between the two top strands and enrolled the wire. My
Speaker 1: saying it in the way, it's clear rolled the wire.
Speaker 1: So then the wire began to braid, not braid, to
Speaker 1: twist and caught the deer's hoof there just on its ankle,
Speaker 1: and it looked like it'd been there quite a while
Speaker 1: for it expired. It was dead hanging there and I, uh,
Speaker 1: you can go look at the picture. I put it
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Um just like at Stephen Ronelle. If you
Speaker 1: scroll back you'll find his deer I'm talking about. And
Speaker 1: the common threads kind of interesting to see, like people's
Speaker 1: perceptions of what they're looking at because the I didn't
Speaker 1: want to just put it up in some kind of
Speaker 1: sensationalist way. The image. Uh So, I explained in the air,
Speaker 1: like man, you know, white tails thrive around people. We
Speaker 1: plant crops, agricultural crops that they like to eat. We
Speaker 1: plant edible landscape and they like to eat. We create
Speaker 1: endless amounts of edge habitats where they thrive. We displaced
Speaker 1: their predators. But it's like a double edged sword because
Speaker 1: the number one white the number one white tailed death,
Speaker 1: I think is getting hit by a car for human caused, right,
Speaker 1: not even hunting. I think people hit more with cars
Speaker 1: than hunters kill. That might be right, that might be
Speaker 1: wrong certain states, it's I've heard. I'm pretty sure this
Speaker 1: is true. I've heard that that's how kind of high
Speaker 1: fences came to be in Texas. That the idea was
Speaker 1: these large ranges with lots and lots of white tailed deer,
Speaker 1: put a fence up. You don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: hit him with your truck. We're you know, really yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I think later they discovered the fringe benefits
Speaker 1: of it, being breeding and controlling genetics and things of
Speaker 1: that nature. I think it originally started obviously to keep
Speaker 1: people out of your property. But as far as wildlife
Speaker 1: is concerned, highway uh. And I've heard two of people
Speaker 1: only fencing one side. I've been on two properties that
Speaker 1: have done this, fence one border of their property. If
Speaker 1: they if they're doing like deer management, and you have
Speaker 1: neighbors that are just just like you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's in a negative way. You have neighbors just
Speaker 1: like shoot box. Yep. Maybe they eat a lot of
Speaker 1: deer and they shoot, you know, they go out and
Speaker 1: don't care and they just shoot whatever buck they run into,
Speaker 1: which is totally fine. But I've been on two Texas
Speaker 1: properties where they ranch a border, a single border, so
Speaker 1: they're not captive, They're not holding their dear captive. They
Speaker 1: just don't want to be having their big box so
Speaker 1: easily move on to a property of mugs that just
Speaker 1: shoot box. Yeah, it's still possible, but it's a deterrent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it deters them from getting over. And in both of
Speaker 1: these places that I was on that did this, they
Speaker 1: mentioned how these guys would set their blinds. They knew
Speaker 1: that this place was producing nice bucks, and they would
Speaker 1: set blinds and basically hunt the edge, which irritated the guys.
Speaker 1: Another guy, that happens everywhere that copensive border. Know where
Speaker 1: you set your blind on the neighbor's property is it's
Speaker 1: just like a human tendency. It doesn't matter if your
Speaker 1: places ten acres or ten thousand, you're gonna hunt the
Speaker 1: freaking border because it's obviously better hunting on the other
Speaker 1: We had a guy right in recently proposed it it
Speaker 1: should be illegal. He thinks that he's noticed in his
Speaker 1: area that people will put corn feeders. Like, I can't
Speaker 1: remeber what state is that. He's in the state where
Speaker 1: it's illegal debate on public, but you can bate on private.
Speaker 1: And you noticed how the private guys always set corn
Speaker 1: feeders right on the edge of the public. And he
Speaker 1: was saying it should be illegal to do this, which
Speaker 1: I understand his frustration perhaps, but that's like some crazy lawmaking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna go over real. Well, you proposed that
Speaker 1: in order to make it easier on this dude. He
Speaker 1: doesn't like that they're drawing off the blue. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: if that, I mean they find corn, they find high
Speaker 1: calorie food. So if it's a hundred yards inside the
Speaker 1: private or two yards inside the private, odds are that
Speaker 1: deer is gonna find it just as easily as if
Speaker 1: it was ten yards inside the private Yeah. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: I never finished my thing about the fence is uh
Speaker 1: the comments, So I put the picture up in the
Speaker 1: comments the deer hung up fence. Yeah. So there's a
Speaker 1: deer that diet on a fence. And I said this
Speaker 1: double edged sword, right, because we like create, We kind
Speaker 1: of like created the white tailed deer. The white tailed
Speaker 1: deers in some ways, not in every area like you
Speaker 1: get up in like main big woods, and but in
Speaker 1: some ways, like the white tail deer has become like
Speaker 1: a kind of synthetic animal, yeah, because it does so
Speaker 1: well around people, uh, much to its credit. Right crows,
Speaker 1: Canada geese. We talked about this a bunch of times, um,
Speaker 1: and I suppose double edged sword because then you know,
Speaker 1: like this deers hung up in this fence. That's all
Speaker 1: the point I was trying to make. But you look
Speaker 1: at the comments. A lot of the comments they're cool,
Speaker 1: A lot of the comments like that's nature's way of
Speaker 1: sorting out the week, which struck me as really funny. Um,
Speaker 1: But a lot of comments in there about animal friendly fencing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and feeling at that fence. We was a not animal
Speaker 1: friendly fence that I would totally agree and no agenda here,
Speaker 1: but yeah, there's a animal friendly fencing and all you
Speaker 1: gotta do is look it up. UM. And now a
Speaker 1: lot of state agencies they have UM basically UM you know,
Speaker 1: state employees that are their sole job is to work
Speaker 1: with private landowners and and help them, if they have
Speaker 1: interest to do so, UM manage for wildlife. UM. And
Speaker 1: one of the ways to do that is to UM
Speaker 1: use animal friendly fencing, which I think is if you
Speaker 1: have a four strand fence, the top strand onund as
Speaker 1: smooth wire, UM, and it dictates like the the top
Speaker 1: strand and bottom strand or smooth wire and I'm screwing
Speaker 1: this up, but um and then they're spacing between the
Speaker 1: wire two and then every so often you would have
Speaker 1: like one that's missing a top strand or something like that. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, analope can jump. Like the minute you say
Speaker 1: they don't like to jump fences, like we're we're antelope
Speaker 1: or from the habitat to live in, It's like jumping
Speaker 1: wasn't necessary. They didn't need to jump stuff because they
Speaker 1: live out in flat, open country in a hundred years.
Speaker 1: I bet evolution will make we'll haven't jump anilop to
Speaker 1: jump fences all the time. I think that there's probably
Speaker 1: in the select there's definitely a selective advantage. There are
Speaker 1: antalope that will jump a fence, and those antelope are
Speaker 1: probably much more likely to live long and have lots
Speaker 1: of babies. I've reaped and harvested a few antelope bucks
Speaker 1: as they danced back and forth on a fence trying
Speaker 1: to make up their mind on what to do with it.
Speaker 1: We've gotten them. We've gotten them before by hunting them
Speaker 1: and good crossing areas. Yea. Yeah, so they don't like
Speaker 1: to jump, they will jump, and you'll people send him
Speaker 1: when you say that antelope don't jump, you'll get three
Speaker 1: videos of antelope jumping fences. So they will, but typically
Speaker 1: they don't like to jump. Now, they don't like to
Speaker 1: they don't know how they like to go under fences.
Speaker 1: So I know that people that are trying to do
Speaker 1: while they're friendly fencing in some areas, it's raising the
Speaker 1: bottom wire to make room for antelope to go under.
Speaker 1: I know in some areas with sage grouse which collide
Speaker 1: with fences, there's like a lowering of the wire to
Speaker 1: to a certain high because they tend to cruise out
Speaker 1: a height where they often collide with the high wire
Speaker 1: on a barbed wire fence. And then some guys were
Speaker 1: mentioning other uses of paneling and things. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: can put some visual aids on barbed wire as well,
Speaker 1: like little pin wheels and stuff. That's what they do
Speaker 1: for sage grouse. I think that's what it was. Every couple,
Speaker 1: between every couple of posts, you put these reflectors so
Speaker 1: they read just through the presence of the wire. I
Speaker 1: wonder if there still I don't know this, but did
Speaker 1: you wonder there's something with all the pigs we saw
Speaker 1: in this place with with that kind of fencing wildlife
Speaker 1: safe fencing and pigs. Yeah, well, I I don't know,
Speaker 1: because I've been in years past. I've been to places
Speaker 1: that have um an old high fence situation and they're like,
Speaker 1: you can't even count pigs as high fence pigs or
Speaker 1: free range pigs because that high fence means nothing to them,
Speaker 1: like they'll go under it somehow, some way, which I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. That was what was interesting about
Speaker 1: a lot of the fence that we saw in Texas.
Speaker 1: Was it wasn't just a four or five strand barbed
Speaker 1: wire that was it was like the normal four or
Speaker 1: five strand, and then underneath that there was a you know,
Speaker 1: just gaped by three or four inches, there was another
Speaker 1: three or four strands where a pig I mean a
Speaker 1: pig let could get through, but you know, anything over
Speaker 1: forty pounds probably couldn't get through that ar have to
Speaker 1: hop through the next gap up. Do you remember hunting
Speaker 1: that crazy place in Florida? What they did? Did they
Speaker 1: bury fence or what they do? They had it's a
Speaker 1: cattle ranch, working cattle ranch, right, yea, And they had
Speaker 1: they boarded up to a nature wild bird sanctuary. And
Speaker 1: the wild bird sanctuary does some hog control work, but
Speaker 1: not nearly enough, I gather according to some surrounding landowners.
Speaker 1: So this guy had hogproof fencing between his cattle ranch
Speaker 1: and the bird the wild bird sanctuary, the wild bird sanctuary.
Speaker 1: It is funny because you're like out in the cattle
Speaker 1: ranches like open so it like like what do they
Speaker 1: call it hammocks? Hammocks like savannah. Well, the hammocks are
Speaker 1: just what they call a chunk of palm trees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the rest is like savannah like grasslands. And then
Speaker 1: you will come up and look like you'd walked into
Speaker 1: Guatemala when you hit that fence. Freaking jungle in the
Speaker 1: birst sanctuary because they weren't running cattle on it the
Speaker 1: constant over the years grazing. So he had hard proof fencing.
Speaker 1: But what he would do is he went and built
Speaker 1: in all these little dogie doors in the hogproof fencing.
Speaker 1: What yes, propped open with a stick. And he's got
Speaker 1: hogg doug, he's got hog chasing dogs. So one night
Speaker 1: he cut we're a turkey hunting and we get to
Speaker 1: shooting the ship and he's like, if you boys want
Speaker 1: to go out hunting hogs a night, come along, and
Speaker 1: we agree to do this. The first step on his
Speaker 1: hog hunt, before you start hunting hogs, he goes down
Speaker 1: that fence and closes all the doggy doors. Step one,
Speaker 1: close all the doggy doors. Step two, start hunting. Yes,
Speaker 1: and guess where you catch pigs at the dog door?
Speaker 1: Is the dog you doors? And these guys do you're here?
Speaker 1: Everything called Bard like v Bard? No, not Shakespeare. Uh
Speaker 1: is somebody using the right word borrowed? I think it
Speaker 1: was just bar bar hog. Yeah, we caught two hogs
Speaker 1: that night. One is, we recaught a hog that they
Speaker 1: had caught previously. And when they catch a board, they
Speaker 1: castrated because it does two things. One stops him from
Speaker 1: reproducing and make it more pigs. Two, as he put
Speaker 1: it to us, it takes his mind off ass and
Speaker 1: puts it on grass and they get fat. But it
Speaker 1: also limits the testosterone flow. Right, it makes it makes
Speaker 1: the taste better from fast times at Ridgemont didn't say that,
Speaker 1: he made it up. He didn't say that. Anyways, we
Speaker 1: caught two picks. One was castrated. Oh you know what,
Speaker 1: Remember how this morning I was telling you about making
Speaker 1: my own sausage casings. That was from that pig. Oh
Speaker 1: so you was from the one we caught that had
Speaker 1: been either by them or other hog hunters had been
Speaker 1: caught before and cast right, we called another pig that
Speaker 1: was intact a boar. That pig they castrated and turned
Speaker 1: back out again. Yeah, this is I've done this a
Speaker 1: couple of times. Ridley's rode along like you guys did,
Speaker 1: and it is it is gnarly. So you're you're catching
Speaker 1: them with dogs. I'm going there and grabbing them by
Speaker 1: the hind legs in the not cast rated hog. Um,
Speaker 1: the not cast rated hog gouged a dog pretty good,
Speaker 1: And I can't do you remember the Do you remember
Speaker 1: the my observation about does the vet think about you
Speaker 1: bringing in dogs all the time that are hard up?
Speaker 1: Was that? Was that a lion hunter that said that
Speaker 1: line to us that I like so much? Or was
Speaker 1: that a hog hunter that said that line to us
Speaker 1: that like so much? You were talking with it with
Speaker 1: that dude is we were riding on top of his
Speaker 1: giant swam buggy, all right. I said to him, what's
Speaker 1: your vet think about you bringing in dogs all the
Speaker 1: time that are gouaged up from wild pigs, which one
Speaker 1: could argue is avoidable. And he's then said, that's why
Speaker 1: you got to find a vet who likes the hogs.
Speaker 1: Give you a discount. Here's a good question for you.
Speaker 1: You go in there and you grab a critter by
Speaker 1: the hind legs? Is that a harvest or a kill?
Speaker 1: Are you killing the big? Are you harvesting the pig?
Speaker 1: You're harvesting? It's nuts. Haven't haven't seen that occur? I
Speaker 1: would not put I would not take a word, and
Speaker 1: I've seen it occur in a lot of places. I
Speaker 1: would not apply such a delicate word as harvest to
Speaker 1: what happens when you catch a pig with dosh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is the most it's like, it's probably the most
Speaker 1: chaotic scene you can imagine. It's kill with a capital k.
Speaker 1: It is. I almost got chased up, chased up a
Speaker 1: tree by a big old hog that just had his
Speaker 1: nuts removed postcastration. My mom got chased up a tree
Speaker 1: by wild pig with my dad. Yeah, I got chased.
Speaker 1: He wasn't really didn't chase me up the tree, but
Speaker 1: I felt the need to get up the tree. The
Speaker 1: way he was looking at me, and he was coming
Speaker 1: towards me, like, yeah, you better get up that tree.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna tussle. Son took his mind off
Speaker 1: ass and put it up Betty's Steve. Where would because
Speaker 1: your folks were in Michigan, right, Yeah, they were northern tier,
Speaker 1: But so did they? Did your dad travel and hunt?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Really? Yeah, he would go down south to hunt.
Speaker 1: They'd go down there with their recurves and hunt pigs. Oh,
Speaker 1: no way, he would travel. He'd go up in Canada
Speaker 1: and they'd catch suckers. They'd hand grab sockers and phil
Speaker 1: sacks full of sockers and hang the suckers on the
Speaker 1: edge of creeks. Fresh bags of fresh suckers and gunny
Speaker 1: sacks hang along creeks, and they'd hunt bears like bears. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he taught about the first bear he ever got. He
Speaker 1: thought he was sitting so close to his soccer sack.
Speaker 1: He said, when that bear reached his arm up to
Speaker 1: rip our part the soccer sackles in the spring, he
Speaker 1: said he could see his ribs spread apart, and he
Speaker 1: was five yards away, and he said he could he
Speaker 1: could put his arrow right between the spread out ribs.
Speaker 1: He'd like to tell that story, might be he got lucky.
Speaker 1: Does your mom like tell the pig story? No, she
Speaker 1: doesn't shy away from it. Not a fond memory. Though.
Speaker 1: She had gone off to get his arrow, his arrows,
Speaker 1: because they were they had a pig that they wound
Speaker 1: and were chasing around. He ran out of arrows, and
Speaker 1: she went to get an arrow. He sent her to
Speaker 1: get it, fetch his arrows that he shot, and she
Speaker 1: got an arrow, and then a pig got onto her,
Speaker 1: and she climbed up in a tree and had to
Speaker 1: throw my dad an arrow to shoot the pig. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she wasn't a big hunter or anything, you know,
Speaker 1: but she had somehow gotten your wife do that for you.
Speaker 1: My wife would not do that for me. Well, I
Speaker 1: think if you're up in the tree with the arrow
Speaker 1: and it was a pig, she would never be near
Speaker 1: the tree. Quick fence anecdote. It happened this weekend and
Speaker 1: it was a good learning lesson. Andrew Whitney and I
Speaker 1: had just parked and getting ready to hop a fence
Speaker 1: going to some private we had access to and go
Speaker 1: hunting and landings right across the street and we're just like,
Speaker 1: you know, saying, hey, what's up. You know what's going on?
Speaker 1: He says, you know, there's a gate, you know, down
Speaker 1: at both corners. He doesn't drive down to the gate
Speaker 1: and uh, and he's like, hey, it's cool. We can
Speaker 1: just you know, your fence is so tightly strong, we
Speaker 1: can just hop the fence and use it like a ladder.
Speaker 1: No big deal, like kind of saying thank you for
Speaker 1: offering the gate, but you know, we're young and able
Speaker 1: and what it is hot the fence and guys like
Speaker 1: and then it just clicked right at that moment, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, sir, would you prefer that we used the gate?
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, that's like a brand new fence.
Speaker 1: It's nice and tight, and I don't want you guys
Speaker 1: to stretch it out. So I wonder about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was very you know, I didn't had
Speaker 1: never put those two things together that like, you're hopping
Speaker 1: fences all the time and you're just eventually stretching them out.
Speaker 1: I'm sure a couple hundreds aren't really going to do
Speaker 1: that to a fence, but in the eyes of a landowner,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a nice way to show us some respect.
Speaker 1: So then the bottom strand was just like two ft
Speaker 1: off the ground. So we're like, oh, well, what does
Speaker 1: duck under? And of course he goes in his house
Speaker 1: as we duck under the fence and he comes back
Speaker 1: out and he was getting groceries or something that we're
Speaker 1: both on the other side of the fence, and he
Speaker 1: kind of looks sad us and he didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: He just went back to doing his stuff. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's like if you just got a new house,
Speaker 1: You're like, guys, just a new house thing. And there's
Speaker 1: footprints and there that's a story where you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well you said have permission, we have mission on this
Speaker 1: guy under his fence and he thought we climbed it
Speaker 1: all right back. So what we're doing turkey hunting Lano
Speaker 1: the Lano River during a super bloom in the Texas
Speaker 1: hill country where holy ship the flowers, the primary our
Speaker 1: being the blue bonnet looping, which people in Texas are
Speaker 1: real proud of. It is a looping, right yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of looks has a pedal, not not the flower pedal,
Speaker 1: but has a leaf. The body of the plant reminds
Speaker 1: me of Columbine. Yeah, very similar. It wasn't in bloom.
Speaker 1: A fella could be excused for thinking he was looking
Speaker 1: at Columbine. Um, you don't agree with that, your wife's
Speaker 1: a botanist, or you do agree with that? Uh, hunting
Speaker 1: Texas still country kind of the tail end what people
Speaker 1: were describing as the tail end of the Turkey rutt.
Speaker 1: People don't say turkey rutty, don't they tail end of
Speaker 1: the turkey rut? And uh got out there and we
Speaker 1: were guests before you get away from that. Do you agree?
Speaker 1: Do you guys agree that that was the case or
Speaker 1: is that just the assumption of a few of the
Speaker 1: locals that you're hanging well. I from living there and
Speaker 1: hunt it. I think in then in the zone of texts,
Speaker 1: I want to say we're in the North zones, or
Speaker 1: we were, the season had already been going for It's
Speaker 1: just a week, not long at all. Maybe that's just
Speaker 1: what they were saying. I was telling Yanni before he
Speaker 1: went down there. I feel like in the South Zone
Speaker 1: it's usually mid March. It starts at the perfect time,
Speaker 1: like you get birds fired up. They're coming off the
Speaker 1: roots fired up and they're not end up yet. Usually
Speaker 1: when you get there, when you get up into the
Speaker 1: Northern zone where we were, it's just a week or so,
Speaker 1: ten days too late, so you start the opening day
Speaker 1: is kind of when that. I feel opening days like
Speaker 1: the back half of the Turkey rut. And so when
Speaker 1: we get there a week after that we are, my
Speaker 1: feeling is on the tail end of it. And that's
Speaker 1: what I felt going down there. And the challenge would
Speaker 1: be that we would have to pull. We would have
Speaker 1: to either find Tom's that we're running solo, or get
Speaker 1: real slick on the ones that weren't. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I said it, but it's like I feel like it's
Speaker 1: just hard to understand. With turkeys, there is a beginning, right,
Speaker 1: Turkey spend their winter in large winter flocks. Okay, if
Speaker 1: you go out hunting. Just talking to Matt the other day,
Speaker 1: some of his buddies are just out in a certain
Speaker 1: area and my brother was telling me how his bodies went.
Speaker 1: They got some birds, but it was super tough because
Speaker 1: the birds were still grouped up in groups of one
Speaker 1: or more. So when I hear that, that's like, not,
Speaker 1: that's not the rut, that's winter flock. You're on one
Speaker 1: side of it. Yeah, So there's there's something that precedes
Speaker 1: the beginning, and then you get into where later where
Speaker 1: you have groups of males very casually hanging out, not fighting,
Speaker 1: not pursuing females. The females have poulse the run around
Speaker 1: with their pulse, and there's like the end within that.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like this real. I don't know
Speaker 1: that everyone's on the same schedule and it's this real timeline.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of this. It's it's white tails
Speaker 1: are similar. I mean, you could be in a place
Speaker 1: where you're not seeing a whole lot of action and
Speaker 1: then you turn around there's a buck chasing a dough.
Speaker 1: You know that it's similar with turkeys in my mind
Speaker 1: that you can run into you be hunting on all
Speaker 1: week and run into one bird. That makes it seem easy.
Speaker 1: However you run into them, or on Monday it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Then Tuesday it's like nothing's happening. Wednesday it's unbelievable again. Uh,
Speaker 1: we show up this spot. We were the guy. We
Speaker 1: were down there because the guy's Uh. We worked closely
Speaker 1: with Eddie and the guy and Ben used to work
Speaker 1: real close with Eddie. Ye Um. We were guests to
Speaker 1: go hunting down on the hunting down there with those guys.
Speaker 1: And the thing that happens to me turkey hunting all
Speaker 1: the time in new spots, and I cannot stand it
Speaker 1: is when you get to a spot you never hunted before,
Speaker 1: and it's dark, so you arrive in the dark, and
Speaker 1: you go out in the dark in the morning and
Speaker 1: you're hearing a bird gobble, but you've never seen the
Speaker 1: place and you have no idea what anything looks like.
Speaker 1: I can't tell if I'd like that or hate it.
Speaker 1: I kind of hate that, you know, I kind of
Speaker 1: the turkeys is not bad just because they're on the
Speaker 1: roof and the first morning me and Cower stand there
Speaker 1: like they were hammering on the roost down by where
Speaker 1: you guys arey the river at least or between the
Speaker 1: two where our zones were. It's cool to just be
Speaker 1: in a place where like I don't know where that is,
Speaker 1: but I know there's a turkey over there, because you
Speaker 1: don't get that. You get that with elk in other place,
Speaker 1: but you don't get that white tails or anything else
Speaker 1: in Texas. That's for sure. You can't stand there and
Speaker 1: be like, turkey's over there, I don't know where that is,
Speaker 1: just walking in the dog because it's novel because the
Speaker 1: next morning, it's not gonna be like that. The next morning,
Speaker 1: like you know that one spot, which is why ranch
Speaker 1: every other year, you know, because I like going to
Speaker 1: see some new country. Yeah, but sitting there in the
Speaker 1: dark and there's a bird hammering, and you're like, like,
Speaker 1: if you go to the spot, you know, well, like
Speaker 1: Doug Dug can sit on his front porch, your bird
Speaker 1: gob will probably tell you what tree it's in, you know,
Speaker 1: just familiarity, or if you're in the woods and you
Speaker 1: hear a turkey gobbling on the ground when you know
Speaker 1: in the area real well, he's like, I know what
Speaker 1: he's doing. I bet he's And they know that little lane.
Speaker 1: How does like the wide spot and they like the
Speaker 1: strutting air. He's probably there, so we should sneak around.
Speaker 1: Right when you're in a new spot, you hear it
Speaker 1: and you don't know what you don't You don't know
Speaker 1: like how you should move over, what you should do,
Speaker 1: and how you should get over there. And the sun
Speaker 1: comes up and there's like a big down dead tree
Speaker 1: right there where you're like, no bird in the history
Speaker 1: of turkeys would ever jump over the top of that call.
Speaker 1: I end up doing that with a set of railroad tracks.
Speaker 1: We didn't know the railroad tracks there. But you end
Speaker 1: up and hunts like this where you don't know what
Speaker 1: you're doing. Really, you just kind of have the landscape
Speaker 1: in front of you're just kind of poking and prodding
Speaker 1: at it. You know, when you know the landscape, you
Speaker 1: just charge over it gets to a spot where you
Speaker 1: need to be done. I spent two mornings listening to
Speaker 1: turkeys gobble that I only later realized weren't even on
Speaker 1: the property. We are on yeah, cal and I yeah,
Speaker 1: And I crawled up five birds and hit him and
Speaker 1: they were just strutting on another side. Offense. We had
Speaker 1: to then check oh onyx maps, that is not where
Speaker 1: are we cannot the It takes a lot of mental
Speaker 1: capacity too, because like we're like, okay, there's the birds,
Speaker 1: get set up. Here we go and I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, if only they would come over this
Speaker 1: eighteen strand fence strong with dead deer. Uh So yeah,
Speaker 1: that first one we set up. We went out and
Speaker 1: set up. It was funny because this is the first
Speaker 1: guy's ever had to me. We were with a photographer,
Speaker 1: nice kid, nice guy, and we old texts. I hesitate
Speaker 1: to even say this. We set up in a spot.
Speaker 1: Texas have a great affinity for the blue bonnet flower.
Speaker 1: Apparently it's like a rite of passage that when you
Speaker 1: have a kid, you take the kid out in the
Speaker 1: spring and have him dance around. This is the Texas thing.
Speaker 1: You take your kid out in spring and make him
Speaker 1: like dance around in the blue bonnets, are laying them
Speaker 1: all cute and take pictures of him. They love the
Speaker 1: damn flowers. So did they do that for you? We
Speaker 1: photographer hesitate to say this, I has sit say this
Speaker 1: is deeply embarrassing. It doesn't this. I'm just gonna tell
Speaker 1: it though, picking up because this is a safe space.
Speaker 1: We set up in a spot because of the presence
Speaker 1: of blue blonet blue bonnet flowers. That's embarrassing. That was
Speaker 1: the site selection for our setup to try to call birds. Also,
Speaker 1: a ship load of gobblers nearby wasn't a bad spot,
Speaker 1: but I would I feel like it's necessary for me
Speaker 1: to say that. The photographer was like, since there's a
Speaker 1: number of spots that one could set up, I think
Speaker 1: it would be really cool if we could set up
Speaker 1: with all these blue bonnets, because imagine to get a
Speaker 1: big gobbler, to get photos of a big gobbler like
Speaker 1: a small cute child strolling through the blue bonnets. As
Speaker 1: long as you didn't have to be the small cute
Speaker 1: child in the scenario, that's that's fine, And that is
Speaker 1: how we set up. And I think that it was cosmic.
Speaker 1: It was cosmic retribution that we did not call a
Speaker 1: rooster in off the tree the goblin. I think that
Speaker 1: the lord, not a rooster goblin roosted the Lord of
Speaker 1: the hunt, the Goddess of the hunt, Diana's her name,
Speaker 1: The goddess of the hunt said, I will punt. I
Speaker 1: will not punish these men for having the presence of
Speaker 1: blue bonnet flowers. Uh inform or dictate to them where
Speaker 1: they should set up to best kill this turkey, and
Speaker 1: I will not let that turkey go in their direction.
Speaker 1: And they didn't, and we then hunted around. It was
Speaker 1: like like every I feel like every time you like,
Speaker 1: I need to start writing down what happens when people
Speaker 1: turkey hunt, because you somehow carry with in your head,
Speaker 1: you carry the best days of turkey hunting in your
Speaker 1: head as normal. And I need to make like a
Speaker 1: sticker or something that I keep, or a little note
Speaker 1: card that I keep my turkey best that says, like,
Speaker 1: in the morning, before it gets light out, you will
Speaker 1: hear many gobbles and then the next line will be
Speaker 1: uh after when they get sunny out or the daylight comes,
Speaker 1: the birds will will not gobble as much as normal.
Speaker 1: And then this is normal. And then as the morning progresses, you,
Speaker 1: if you're lucky, well here scattered gobbles, because that's like
Speaker 1: how every but every time you're like, you're in the
Speaker 1: it's dark, gotta go. And then they stopped gobby, like
Speaker 1: what happened? They shut down? They hit the ground and
Speaker 1: never made it the other peep, And I, like, I
Speaker 1: I re suffer that realization every single time I go
Speaker 1: turkey hunting, as though I'm experiencing something not like what happened.
Speaker 1: They hit the ground and shut right up. How many
Speaker 1: times have I said that in my life? That never happens.
Speaker 1: It's like that is normal. So they hit the ground
Speaker 1: and didn't gobble a lot, and I started entering, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's post rut. It's like something weird happened. And then
Speaker 1: you just start hunting and then it plays out like
Speaker 1: how it plays out. And the other thing is that
Speaker 1: the other turkey mistake. As we start hunting around me
Speaker 1: encountered the Lano River. We're hunting on the Lano River,
Speaker 1: and I guess a few years ago this was like
Speaker 1: a very lush river bottom a lot of vegetation. But
Speaker 1: they had this historic flood, like a hundred of your
Speaker 1: flood or you know, people are just throwing around hunding
Speaker 1: your flood, a ripping national news flood. And it not
Speaker 1: only did it scour the river channel of vegetation, but
Speaker 1: it depot posited like full on beach sand where this
Speaker 1: thing looks like the Mojave Desert from bank to bank,
Speaker 1: it looks like the most inhospitable turkey thing in the world.
Speaker 1: And we start talking about turkeys like that live on
Speaker 1: the like we're like, there's turkeys on the other side
Speaker 1: of the river, as though they're in another realm, that
Speaker 1: they exist in another dimension is our The river seems
Speaker 1: so severe and wide and un turkey friendly, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And so you start dividing the world
Speaker 1: up and there's like the turkeys that live over here,
Speaker 1: and there's the turkeys that live over there, and the
Speaker 1: turkeys that live over there are we can hear those
Speaker 1: turkeys and see them, but they're not are but they
Speaker 1: weren't in our They weren't in our world. Yeah, Kalin,
Speaker 1: I did not have that experience. You didn't feel that
Speaker 1: well that I'm not being the Yeah, well, I'm not
Speaker 1: being the reality. But that was my like perception of it,
Speaker 1: to see turkeys over there and like, ha, you know,
Speaker 1: grand it's too bad that they're over there and we're
Speaker 1: over here, because what turkey his right mind would ever
Speaker 1: walk across that. And we hunt around all morning and
Speaker 1: have some here scattered gobbles and all of sudden. Look,
Speaker 1: and here's two times that had in the middle of
Speaker 1: the day flown across the river. And everybody knows turkeys
Speaker 1: don't fly, they don't like to fly, and they don't
Speaker 1: cross water. They don't fly across the rivers. They flew
Speaker 1: across the river just for whatever, because we're over there,
Speaker 1: I'd like to think of because we were calling near
Speaker 1: the bank of the river, flew across the river and
Speaker 1: then we're walking across the Mojave in such a way
Speaker 1: that we had all the time in the world to
Speaker 1: go set up, uh, to go set up where they
Speaker 1: were gonna hit our bank, because this is the rivers,
Speaker 1: the property line. The other thing messing with my head
Speaker 1: is there's the dead deer hanging there. We're like right
Speaker 1: by the dead deer and the impenetrable fence. And then
Speaker 1: I got like, oh, sure they'd crossed the river, but
Speaker 1: they'll definitely hang up. But did that fence half of
Speaker 1: lower tight strands they had low? Yeah, you couldn't crawl
Speaker 1: under this fence. Was that look that you were on
Speaker 1: later the next day with Danielle Daniell, same fence? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was had a low wire. You couldn't
Speaker 1: get under it. You had to scour around for a
Speaker 1: way to get to get to get under the fence.
Speaker 1: And we always had to go over that fence. It
Speaker 1: had a low wire. And then I mean it's in
Speaker 1: my head that like, somehow the turkeys will not like
Speaker 1: that fence. But we get set up as being the photographer,
Speaker 1: We get set up to call, and I've already got
Speaker 1: my gutt knife out because like two times no hands
Speaker 1: coming across that thing. And like I said, I I
Speaker 1: feel as though I'd like to think it was related
Speaker 1: to the fact that we were working this little road
Speaker 1: down there calling. I like to feel it's all They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of action over there. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: check it out. So we get set up and um,
Speaker 1: I'm and and and I put out a decoy in
Speaker 1: the road, not knowing the would ended right next to me,
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking, as the turkey's coming, if they can
Speaker 1: get over the fence, they'll look down the road and
Speaker 1: see the dcoin and come down the road and guess,
Speaker 1: like it all set up, I'm aim in that direction.
Speaker 1: And then instead of the fence somehow stopping the turkeys.
Speaker 1: The next time they gobbled there like already on the
Speaker 1: other side of the fence, like they didn't even register
Speaker 1: the presence of the fence, jumped it. I don't know
Speaker 1: what they did. I didn't care about the river, didn't
Speaker 1: care about the fence, didn't see the decoy, and they
Speaker 1: wind up right next to us. Out of you. Uh, drumming, God,
Speaker 1: I love that sound. Do you feel though, that those
Speaker 1: birds were responding to you? They were just kind of
Speaker 1: doing anything you could turn them. It was like throwing
Speaker 1: a light switch. You just make them gobble. At this point,
Speaker 1: they're hot and hot, but they were just like it's
Speaker 1: like yep, yep, yep every time out of reach, the
Speaker 1: out of sight when when you hear it's not really
Speaker 1: true when you can hear them drumming, they're close. But
Speaker 1: I just but like last weekend we heard some drumming.
Speaker 1: It was not close. Really heard him drums from just
Speaker 1: well out of shotgun range. Oh yeah, if you know
Speaker 1: what to the sound is and what you're listening for,
Speaker 1: you can hear him at sub a hundred. You always
Speaker 1: need to say, I feel like I hear one drumming.
Speaker 1: Are they just like expanding their diaphragms, like they're vibrating
Speaker 1: the fathers and holding them tight. You ever, when you
Speaker 1: kill a bird, uh, when you kill turkey, harvest him,
Speaker 1: you ever knows how his feathers are all warned, his
Speaker 1: primaries are worn down because they also like walk around
Speaker 1: and like leave those little scratch marks. That's a great
Speaker 1: way to tell if you're in a good area. Marks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But when he's drumming, he's just going. It's similar to
Speaker 1: a rough growls and roads man liked so many times.
Speaker 1: Probably just put that on your list of turkey reassurances.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you may not want to leave
Speaker 1: the road. Turkeys they can't help themselves. No, they'd like
Speaker 1: to see what's going on around him. They'd like to
Speaker 1: get out in the road. They're like the walk roads,
Speaker 1: like the strutting roads. I mean, he's not gonna strutting
Speaker 1: a briar patch. He likes to get out and display.
Speaker 1: But he's drumming, Yanni, do your drum noise. See I
Speaker 1: go like this just spitting a little back. He spit,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like the most that that is.
Speaker 1: If I could have just one part of turkey hunting.
Speaker 1: A lot of people would be like the gobble spring thunder.
Speaker 1: It's a powerful noise. It's a powerful noise. If I
Speaker 1: could have one part of turkey hunting in pill form,
Speaker 1: that I could just take the pill and get the feeling.
Speaker 1: It would be the feeling of when he's goblin and
Speaker 1: goblin and he stops gobbling and you wonder what happened,
Speaker 1: and you like he spooked something and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden. If you could get that in a pill,
Speaker 1: I would be addicted to that pill. Did you should
Speaker 1: sneak up behind me in the office, guys? That's the
Speaker 1: spring thunder. I told you about that ranch. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: actually here in Montana. The first time, Uh, I went
Speaker 1: out there, there were so many turkeys. I just got
Speaker 1: up early, got up on this little ridge, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like a series of small hills and ridges
Speaker 1: eastern Montana, and he hit diaphragm call and then it
Speaker 1: was like whoa, and then that would que the next
Speaker 1: ridge and the next ridge and the next ridge, and
Speaker 1: it was that was the way it was in my mind.
Speaker 1: That's rolling. That's that's my other favorite thing. When you
Speaker 1: hit like you hit a crow call or something and
Speaker 1: you get a shock able and then other girls too.
Speaker 1: I'm the man, I'm a man. Uh. So they're drumming
Speaker 1: right next to us, and I got this photographer with me.
Speaker 1: So nice guy, real excited, like he likes to hunt.
Speaker 1: That's how I knew I was gonna like him right away,
Speaker 1: because he was like out there to hunt turkeys. He
Speaker 1: was like you could tell if you said to him
Speaker 1: you could have hunting or taking pictures, he'd probably go hunt.
Speaker 1: He'd go with hunting. It's my feeling. Um. The turkeys
Speaker 1: circle around, drum and drum and drumming, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they're in the photographer's lap and I have
Speaker 1: to change my position and I'm not able, like I'm
Speaker 1: real nervous about what kind of shot I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: until these turkeys because they're circling the calling trying to
Speaker 1: figure out where's the hand, wears the hand, and they're
Speaker 1: in his lap, and all of a sudden, you hear
Speaker 1: the noise that no turkey hunter likes to hear. Ah,
Speaker 1: And that's his way of saying something is not right.
Speaker 1: That's like huh huh, what what what huh? He starts
Speaker 1: doing that business, and then he gets faster when he
Speaker 1: gets faster, and if his head was blue or white,
Speaker 1: like he's excited, all of a sudden, it's red. He's
Speaker 1: got his head up. He wrecked his snood changes. The
Speaker 1: color change is an amazing to witness. One of the
Speaker 1: craziest things in the outdoors in my opinion. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the greatest thing in the world. Changes. Color goes red.
Speaker 1: It's trouble, he goes And then I got interrupted, just
Speaker 1: follow ups that he's been doing a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I've been thinking about that word
Speaker 1: drumming and spitting. Everything I'm reading is saying that the
Speaker 1: the spit which comes first is actually from his mouth um,
Speaker 1: and then the drum is actually him forcing air up
Speaker 1: through from his diaphragm. No, it's not him doing his
Speaker 1: wings really, and a lot of people say that that,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously it's his tracting hands. What are you
Speaker 1: looking at the truth about turkeys? Or is this a
Speaker 1: legit website. I've been before from dot com to a
Speaker 1: state agency website. His his his is is air. He's
Speaker 1: forcing No, yeah, he's not doing that with his wings.
Speaker 1: You mean you mean he's not doing like a rough
Speaker 1: grouse when he's dragging him. No, he's not the ground,
Speaker 1: he's not the rough grouse. So I gotta point out
Speaker 1: is the same way, ma'am. They're built. They have the
Speaker 1: little wattle up there, a little pocket rough crouse drums,
Speaker 1: he's drumming, he's beating his wings, and it sounds like
Speaker 1: someone trying to get a lawnmower started. Yeah, but there's
Speaker 1: gotta be somemar involved in that too, right, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: puffs up. Yeah, and he's a Spellings married. I'd be
Speaker 1: willing to wager because when you find him, they have
Speaker 1: that throat, sack is puffed up to it. When you
Speaker 1: hear way off in the distance someone trying to get
Speaker 1: a lawnmore started con degenerator because what it always was
Speaker 1: to me like doing he's on his log. He's on
Speaker 1: his drumming log. Do you know that they feel that
Speaker 1: that's a limiting factor in rough grouse populations. Suitable drumming log.
Speaker 1: He's got to have a drumming log, see whatever, he's
Speaker 1: gotta have a like to have a rough grouse set
Speaker 1: up a spot, to have a mail set up shop.
Speaker 1: He needs to have a drumming log at a specific height,
Speaker 1: and he needs to have a specific diameter, a perimeter
Speaker 1: of visible ground around it, and absent that like you
Speaker 1: can you can manipulate rough grouse numbers in an area
Speaker 1: by creating suitable drumming logs. That's awesome. He needs to
Speaker 1: find where he can get the right height and see
Speaker 1: around him and make sure it's safe around him to
Speaker 1: then get up there and start going. Yes, I feel
Speaker 1: like I should do an album of all the animal
Speaker 1: noises that I know how to do. You know, you
Speaker 1: can sell it as like a sleep aid, like a
Speaker 1: white noise generator, and me going to remember that you
Speaker 1: would just be a very and now rough and now
Speaker 1: um not a monkey, and now a dazzle of zebras.
Speaker 1: So oh, I thought, tell my hunting story and don't
Speaker 1: want to get around to the word that we need
Speaker 1: to revisit. And then I want to hear your hunting stories.
Speaker 1: So he's like, and I think a lot of turkey
Speaker 1: hunters if you were a super moral turkey hunter, I
Speaker 1: feel that you would not shoot the turkey. Like do
Speaker 1: you think Parker Hall would shoot a turkey that had
Speaker 1: started to put? Oh my gosh, yes, if he was
Speaker 1: in range, Ah you do? Oh yeah, he thinks it's
Speaker 1: im moral to shoot a turkey using a decoy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you think he thinks it's moral to shoot a
Speaker 1: turkey that's putting just because he's busted you, Parker Hall
Speaker 1: thinks it's im moral to shoot a turkey. He thinks
Speaker 1: there's a special place to Hell for people who use
Speaker 1: turkey decoys. Well, we're all here from Georgie about turkey decoys.
Speaker 1: And his answer was, I don't want to go to Hell. Now,
Speaker 1: he's from a state with a rich, deep turkey hunting history. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not hunting a lot of them states. I've never
Speaker 1: heard that. It's like he puts it. Man, does he
Speaker 1: call to him, like, shouldn't it be the same, He wouldn't. No,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not anywhere near the same, because, like
Speaker 1: he points it too, It's like, when there were no decoys,
Speaker 1: you had to be a damn fine turkey hunter and
Speaker 1: a damn fine caller to kill turkeys. Decoys came out
Speaker 1: in every Joe Schmo out there was starting to killing birds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, I like, I totally I agree with them.
Speaker 1: I use decoys. I'm trying a bunch of different kinds
Speaker 1: of decoys this season so I can speak to it
Speaker 1: from experience? Do they give me an incredible advantage? Yes,
Speaker 1: I just don't know what I got too so far. No,
Speaker 1: they've seen what the ones I'm talking about never saw
Speaker 1: the decoy your Texas hunt. You're the one the all
Speaker 1: sweet talking, all sweet talking is using a fan like
Speaker 1: the next level, like a real like the one that
Speaker 1: you made. That's if you're If Hell has solitary confinement,
Speaker 1: that's where you're at. What happens in Hell's that they're
Speaker 1: able to calculate the temperature of Hell because the description
Speaker 1: of Hell talks about a brimstone in a certain state,
Speaker 1: and so I think you can tell, like very precisely
Speaker 1: how hot Hell is. That's good. That'd be good to
Speaker 1: know because that's apparently where we're going for Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that using a Turkey fan, even though I do it,
Speaker 1: I feel that if this is true, if Parker Hall
Speaker 1: is correct, I feel that that's that's you go to
Speaker 1: Hell and then into solitary confinement, not allowed to be
Speaker 1: with the other people in Hell, like Parker Hall is
Speaker 1: kind of. I was like, listen, man, I drive a car,
Speaker 1: like it's way easier to get to town nowadays in
Speaker 1: a car, are you driving a horse and buggy Like
Speaker 1: as time goes on, we're as humans. We take the
Speaker 1: advantages that we're given technology. What if I told you here,
Speaker 1: take this here corn, stirred up with this here sedative
Speaker 1: and sprinkle that out and in the morning go out
Speaker 1: and pick up your turkeys. Would you be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like driving a car to work. Starting to sound
Speaker 1: like you kill a turkey with a drone. Well you're yeah,
Speaker 1: you're talking about stuff that I know you don't believe.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you got me I think about it more.
Speaker 1: I'm coming at you later. Maybe the future get defense
Speaker 1: right and you hot wire super high voltage so that
Speaker 1: every animal that hits the fence dies and go out
Speaker 1: in the morning pick them all up. Because if we
Speaker 1: just wanted to version baits, bait the ditch, bait the ditch,
Speaker 1: wait till all average, we could we had four tags each,
Speaker 1: wait till four times are in the ditch eating that bait,
Speaker 1: and then sit. I'm talking about you know, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about a subtle change taking into the extreme. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about a subtle change in the approach to turkey hunting
Speaker 1: and or a subtle change the process. It's an efficacy
Speaker 1: question or excusely what you're talking about. You're talking about
Speaker 1: some old timey business that people aren't going to know about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can read about it in uh in
Speaker 1: UH tenth Legion tenth Legion uh Tom Kelly's book. He
Speaker 1: talks about colonel Colonel Tom Kelly. One of the ways
Speaker 1: that they shot out turkeys is when pop hunters meet hunters,
Speaker 1: I think he calls them, would bait. They dig a ditch.
Speaker 1: There was maybe a photo or eighteen inches deep. They
Speaker 1: bait it with corn for a while, and then on
Speaker 1: the day that they wanted to reap harvest turkeys not reaping.
Speaker 1: That's where you take a fan and walk up on
Speaker 1: him with a pistol. They would sit at the end
Speaker 1: of the ditch, maybe five ten yards off it, looking
Speaker 1: down the ditch, so that once all the turkeys were
Speaker 1: in their feeding and you can make one call, all
Speaker 1: of them would lift up their heads and with one
Speaker 1: shot you could rake across all of their heads and
Speaker 1: then fill a gunstack phone walk home. Very efficient, it's
Speaker 1: very efficient. No, no, let's go, let's go. So well,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about a subtle that's like using a decoy,
Speaker 1: is a subtle change in turkey hunting tactics. It's a
Speaker 1: subtle like it's it's a it's a move forward, so
Speaker 1: subtle you could do without. Though, yeah, it's a it's
Speaker 1: it's a slight move forward in turkey hunting tactics because
Speaker 1: you're not it's not filling a ditch with corn much
Speaker 1: in the same way. I'm getting this analogy much in
Speaker 1: the same way that using a horse and buggy to
Speaker 1: get to get to town is a whole lot different
Speaker 1: than using a car to get to town. To subtle
Speaker 1: change in the way that inveyance. So there's my analogy
Speaker 1: now here. Well, here's what I was saying the other day,
Speaker 1: because I I there day not on you were with me.
Speaker 1: Now totally with you, because I'm gonna come in and
Speaker 1: say that I'm gonna come in out. I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: toward you on this. They're not the turkey I'm trying
Speaker 1: to talk about. I remember that story is left where
Speaker 1: he's going and there's a photographer standing next to him. Um,
Speaker 1: last weekend, I got a turkey using a fan. I
Speaker 1: couldn't move a turkey. He was with a whole horde
Speaker 1: of hands and he was not gonna but he was
Speaker 1: at the time of his life. He was in the Turkey.
Speaker 1: He was in a situation that Turkey's dream about being
Speaker 1: in this Turkey was not gonna move and they were
Speaker 1: moving away. And I took a Turkey fan from the
Speaker 1: Turkey that I'm trying to tell the story about which
Speaker 1: I took the fan off, and the photographer showed me
Speaker 1: a phenomenal trick of how to the fan off so
Speaker 1: that it becomes like an actual fan that you can
Speaker 1: fold up and spread out and fold up and spread out. Dude,
Speaker 1: it was the would normally do it. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: There's an other joint. Normally, when you cut it off,
Speaker 1: you cut it off at the Roman nose. Cut it
Speaker 1: off at not the Roman nos. You cut it off
Speaker 1: at the pope's nose. He's like, no, you If you
Speaker 1: go above the pope's nose, there's like he's got eighteen
Speaker 1: tail feathers, there's like eighteen. It looks like when you're
Speaker 1: separating the ribs on a deer, not sawing through him,
Speaker 1: but popping the joints. There's like eighteen little teeny joints
Speaker 1: above the pope's nose and you cut there and then
Speaker 1: when you mount your fan. I used some I mounted
Speaker 1: my fan. Okay, you know Ronnie Bam, Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: a tremendous impact on my life. Ronnie Bam fixes old company,
Speaker 1: Yeah he has it. If Ronnie Bam affected me, and
Speaker 1: he affects the bottom line of Miller. So Ronnie Baam
Speaker 1: gets frustrated by shitty coolers like Coleman coolers, because what
Speaker 1: always fails on a Coleman cooler hinges. And yeah, Ronnie
Speaker 1: Bam is a mill right by trade, so he deals
Speaker 1: a lot of conveyor material. Convey material turns out is
Speaker 1: wonderful for repairing things. So Ronnie Bam always calls around
Speaker 1: hunks a conveyor and when his cooler fails, he makes
Speaker 1: a hinge out of conveyor belt material. You just put
Speaker 1: the lid on how you want it. Take the conveyor
Speaker 1: belt material and screw or bolt it to the lid
Speaker 1: into the body of the cooler. And I don't care
Speaker 1: if World War three happens on top of that cooler,
Speaker 1: that hinge will still be there. The cooler might be melted,
Speaker 1: the hinge will be there, intact and fine. It's indestructible.
Speaker 1: I had a hunk of conveyor belt material laying around.
Speaker 1: But I switched away from shitty coolers, so now I
Speaker 1: just have a conveyor belt material and YETI coolers. So
Speaker 1: I took my fan and cut it the way the
Speaker 1: photographer Austin showed me. How What the hell is his name,
Speaker 1: Austin Stapleton? Like that guy, I cut it the way
Speaker 1: Austin Stapleton showed me, and then drilled a hole and
Speaker 1: mounted it on a conveyor belt handle, which has a
Speaker 1: very natural flop to it, and it's very limber and
Speaker 1: looks super realistic when you twist it, and it's ultra light.
Speaker 1: It's an ultra light Turkey fan, and I collapses. So
Speaker 1: I can take my fan and go fold it up.
Speaker 1: And then when I get ready, and I tightened it.
Speaker 1: I tightened it up just right with a screw. Where
Speaker 1: when I get ready, I opened it like a lady
Speaker 1: in a Western opening her fan up a floozy in
Speaker 1: a Western, and opened the fan up and it stays open. Man,
Speaker 1: I can't borrow that, sure, thank you? Where was I?
Speaker 1: So here's here's the here's the thing. Here's the thing,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be done well. I gotta tell my
Speaker 1: story real quick and I gotta talk about thing. I'll
Speaker 1: keep on talk about the day I'm sneaking up with
Speaker 1: this fan on a turkey that won't budge, and I'm
Speaker 1: just using the fan to block my view and he's
Speaker 1: actually posturing toward my fan. And I eventually snaked my
Speaker 1: shotgun barrel literally through the feathers of the fan and
Speaker 1: wait for the hens to get clear. I couldn't shoo
Speaker 1: because he had all his hands. Eventually the hands got clear,
Speaker 1: and I shot turkey. And I'm feeling guilty about it.
Speaker 1: But then I'm like, you're using an actual like what
Speaker 1: could be pure? You're using the feathers from a turkey
Speaker 1: two go after a turkey. It's not plastic, it's not rubber.
Speaker 1: You made it yourself, you devised your own. You're using
Speaker 1: bio like, you're using like bio mimicry. How is that
Speaker 1: not pure? But it's pure. It's like purer to have
Speaker 1: some rubber factory produced turkey ac simile on a steel
Speaker 1: stake driven into the ground. But it's it's less pure
Speaker 1: to like take the bird's own feathers and use it
Speaker 1: in fashion a device by which you can go get
Speaker 1: another bringing into this whole purity scale. I haven't said
Speaker 1: anything about that. I'm more taught just talking about this
Speaker 1: fight up efficacy. Yeah, I'm just rastling with the whole thing,
Speaker 1: is all Yanni. Okay, Well, I think you know, because
Speaker 1: there's some people that think any sort of blind hunting
Speaker 1: is unethical. There's people, but not people have been doing
Speaker 1: that for thousands of years. It's not I keep using ethics. Ethics.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's not quite personal. How I like,
Speaker 1: I would not want to. I have never and would
Speaker 1: not want to unless I was with my kids shoot
Speaker 1: a turkey out of a pop up blind. I've never
Speaker 1: done it. Yeah, I would only do it with my kids.
Speaker 1: But if we're being honest, like hunting right now is
Speaker 1: just a lot of different forms of how we prefer
Speaker 1: to hunt, it's preference versus ethics, Like it's an ethics
Speaker 1: when I think about turkey, any ethics go too? Am
Speaker 1: I using a bow or a shotgun? I'm using a
Speaker 1: shotgun every single time I possibly can, because I feel
Speaker 1: like it's ethically a better way to get the job done.
Speaker 1: Wound lost with severe be on turkey sovera. I've seen
Speaker 1: some of the best archers that we know in modern
Speaker 1: hunting times wound turkeys three or four of them in
Speaker 1: one hunt. So I know some really good bowl hunters
Speaker 1: that did a lot of turkey bow hunting. Eventuallys were like,
Speaker 1: it's just I switched back to Actually I've two or
Speaker 1: three years straight just hunt with a bow. And I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 1: there's no unless it's archery only season and the birds
Speaker 1: are fired up, I'm staying home. I just it's got
Speaker 1: to be a shotgun for me. That's ethical. But the preference,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, you hunting a blind, like being out
Speaker 1: in the springtime turkey hunting, you want to like have
Speaker 1: your full senses, your full set of senses. It's like
Speaker 1: the woods are alive for the first time in a
Speaker 1: long time. I want my full set of senses. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be sitting in a tent, sitting over
Speaker 1: a plastic Yeah, that's what it feels like to me,
Speaker 1: like just sitting against a tree. I don't see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's what And there's no again, It's like, there's
Speaker 1: where the preference in the ethics thing. Ohs, I prefer
Speaker 1: not to hunt with a bow because with a bow
Speaker 1: he should probably be in a blind or it's better
Speaker 1: to be in a blind. Ethically, I don't want with
Speaker 1: a bow because it's it's a less effective killing tool.
Speaker 1: So both of those things are happening simultaneously. For me,
Speaker 1: comes to turkeys, it's yeah, it's like it's so much
Speaker 1: like I use a shotgun, which is easy. It's easy
Speaker 1: to kill a turkey's shotgun. Uh. I like to sit
Speaker 1: in trees or like like lean against the tree because
Speaker 1: I don't like that feeling of being in a blind,
Speaker 1: and then I'd move around a lot turkey on. So
Speaker 1: I don't want to drag the blind around. But if
Speaker 1: I saw a guy in a pop up blind with
Speaker 1: a bow, two things I don't do, do I feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's not all be like, no, he just has different
Speaker 1: personal preference. There's nothing to do with like like I
Speaker 1: keep saying moral because of my own I'm always saying
Speaker 1: moral because like the own feeling I get if I
Speaker 1: call a turkey in like a turkey like purity. The
Speaker 1: thing that they're gonna be most proud of is that
Speaker 1: there's no decoy and you hear a gobble way off
Speaker 1: two in the afternoon or no, it would be this,
Speaker 1: it's two in the afternoon, there's no decoy, and you
Speaker 1: shock gobble up a turkey yet two in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: and then you gradually coax him into shotgun range and
Speaker 1: he comes in and he's strutting. That is the pinnacle
Speaker 1: of turkey hunting, sprinkled with a few gobbles. A few gobbles,
Speaker 1: you get him hot, you get him like that to
Speaker 1: me is like wow, well there's some every version that's
Speaker 1: less than that. It's not as it's it's not as
Speaker 1: exciting to me. There's a perfect combination of the amount
Speaker 1: of time he's allowed to strutt within your sight and
Speaker 1: then shooting him like if he if he comes rolling
Speaker 1: in behind a tree like a turkey, boom, shoot him.
Speaker 1: It's not the same level of purity is if he
Speaker 1: comes in, spits, drums, struts back and forth, is looking
Speaker 1: around you stay still and give the bird that um
Speaker 1: I definitely had. Can you hold off because you're not
Speaker 1: it's not your turn to tell your hunt story. I
Speaker 1: want to hear the whole thing, Okay, but it's gotta
Speaker 1: finish two quick things up. Yeah, I'll start with a
Speaker 1: description of Stephen Rinella as prowess in the woods. However
Speaker 1: you want to do it, Uh, so the bird putts
Speaker 1: and I have to actually wait for the bird to
Speaker 1: move away from the photographers. So the purity score is
Speaker 1: going down because who the hell hons with the photographer? Well,
Speaker 1: I do all the time. But that's like I can
Speaker 1: imagine Diana, the goddess of honey, being like wanting to
Speaker 1: hit me with lightning. So the birds moving away, he
Speaker 1: gets clear the photographer. Then I'm like, man, kind of
Speaker 1: dicey shot, but I get a nice shooting gap, like
Speaker 1: shoot turkey and he did piled up. Yes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I don't know, man, those I've had a
Speaker 1: lot of flopping birds as in My first instinct after
Speaker 1: pulling the trigger is like get to your feet as
Speaker 1: fast as humanly possible and sprint to that bird. They
Speaker 1: will get up and leave. Yes, that's like the turkey hunting,
Speaker 1: but that's like the thing you see. The trope is
Speaker 1: like you kill it and you run over immediately drop
Speaker 1: your gun to run over there. But I'll tell you, man,
Speaker 1: those turkey loads are dude for freekish. We'll get it
Speaker 1: to my story too. But I mean dropping turkeys and
Speaker 1: not even a twitch was your bird like that? I
Speaker 1: mean didn't even know he well, I got injured by him.
Speaker 1: Oh when I say piled up me, he wasn't going anywhere,
Speaker 1: but I got. I ran over there and I got.
Speaker 1: He was still scratched my eye on his wing when
Speaker 1: he's beating his wing. Um, But yeah, it is good.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man. The one you guys are speaking of,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming is the federal T S S, t s S,
Speaker 1: tungs and supershots. You guys are shooting the seventh seventh
Speaker 1: and it used to be like because the way it
Speaker 1: used to work is and I think some states still do.
Speaker 1: You're still not allowed to use sevens in some states,
Speaker 1: or you're not allowed to use nines. No, I think
Speaker 1: it was when we I think who were we talking to?
Speaker 1: Was it going to Do or the Sportsman's Alliance guys,
Speaker 1: they both might have been working on that issue. Like
Speaker 1: the law was the rules the rules antiquated like they
Speaker 1: because they were. They had rules around shot like pellet
Speaker 1: size and for efficacy. But with the new like super
Speaker 1: fast like high velocity, high density tungsten shot, you can
Speaker 1: just put a bunch more pellets. So TSS the tungstens
Speaker 1: in the word right, tungsten supershotungs supershot, so you can
Speaker 1: use sevens nines hands, which we haven't tried yet, but
Speaker 1: I've definitely shot turkeys with the sevens and the nines.
Speaker 1: And another thing that you get from you going smaller
Speaker 1: shot size is you just get so many more pellets downrange.
Speaker 1: So we opened up some twenty gauge that was a
Speaker 1: mix of five six sevens and pour it out on
Speaker 1: some that was called third degree, yeah, and then right
Speaker 1: next to it opened up a nine with nines, and
Speaker 1: I mean you can just see it. It's just I mean,
Speaker 1: you're doubling, maybe tripling the amount of pellets going down
Speaker 1: range to one pellet to kill a bird. You know,
Speaker 1: I used to use third degree and liked it, but
Speaker 1: not I like that other stuff because you get really
Speaker 1: really dense patterns with that many pellets, and those things
Speaker 1: are zipping, yeah, and there's they're spending. You know a
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna say, oh, man, that sucks
Speaker 1: too expensive for me. And look, man, if you're the
Speaker 1: guy that just rolls around his ranch and you know
Speaker 1: you're not gonna actually be turkey hunting, but if you
Speaker 1: see a turkey, can jump out and shoot him and
Speaker 1: then you can keep going about your work. You know,
Speaker 1: that's like the ranch Montana rancher type of a hunt
Speaker 1: right where you're just efficient as possible and spending money.
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna travel let's say more than an
Speaker 1: hour to go turkey hunting, and you're like worrying about
Speaker 1: whether you want to spend a dollar or fifty cents
Speaker 1: on a turkey shell versus the five or six bucks
Speaker 1: um or even higher for the tss IT ranges I'm
Speaker 1: looking at, and I think it's a new point. You
Speaker 1: could spend up to forty five bucks for a box,
Speaker 1: for a box of five nine bucks and you touch
Speaker 1: that trigger. Yeah, but how much is your turkey take
Speaker 1: and how much does your traveling on? How many actually use?
Speaker 1: I've shot two shots and killed two turkeys this year.
Speaker 1: They come in boxes of five. If you're using more
Speaker 1: than five in a year, you're having a good year.
Speaker 1: If once you pattern patterns, that's that That is where
Speaker 1: I would say it is expanded. You have a five
Speaker 1: shot pattern, that's uh. But I don't know, man. But
Speaker 1: with the tungsten, the confidence that I have right now
Speaker 1: shooting my set up jamming them, Yeah, yeah, I'm competent,
Speaker 1: far farther than I should be. I'm limiting myself because
Speaker 1: of like the new set up where it's like I
Speaker 1: don't need to shoot as far as I think I
Speaker 1: could with those loads. And you think like denser, right,
Speaker 1: denser than traditional lead or traditional heavy shot. And so
Speaker 1: if you're getting less, you pull the trigger. They got
Speaker 1: these setback forces. You're getting less, you know, deformed pellets,
Speaker 1: and that's what causes flyers. So you have less flyers,
Speaker 1: a denser pattern, and we all pull axe turkeys like
Speaker 1: drop him on it, like on the spot. You know
Speaker 1: what's interesting is when I went over there after we
Speaker 1: got the bird tagged up, we're walking back and I
Speaker 1: realized there was a tree I didn't even register in
Speaker 1: my mind that had about a two and a half
Speaker 1: inch diameter and that tree looks like an absorbed half
Speaker 1: that load, but the other half went through. And yeah,
Speaker 1: now was my turkey hunt. Now, what did you want
Speaker 1: to say about my haircut? Oh? The word butch. Just
Speaker 1: the interesting thing from childhood that I didn't pay much
Speaker 1: attention to there was I grew up down the beach
Speaker 1: from a gay woman who would fish with my father
Speaker 1: and his friends. And she was elderly, and it's just
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing, and like troubles me and puzzles me
Speaker 1: now because I didn't even know what it meant at
Speaker 1: the time. They would call her, and she would call
Speaker 1: herself butcher. And my father and his friends were you know,
Speaker 1: World War two guys. I I do not think they
Speaker 1: would have Unfortunately, I do not think they would have
Speaker 1: been as accepting of a gay man that they hunted with,
Speaker 1: that they fished with. Probably not, but they were. They
Speaker 1: would walk with in the morning, walk dogs with, and
Speaker 1: fish with butch, but call her butch, which is a
Speaker 1: derogatory term for a gay woman. So it's a it's
Speaker 1: like a derogatory lesbian term. And I just like I
Speaker 1: would love to go back if I could go back
Speaker 1: on my brain now to understand like what that dynamic was,
Speaker 1: how she perceived the word, how it came to be
Speaker 1: that she would go by that nickname and ask those
Speaker 1: guys like what, because it was just so matter of fact,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, yeah, the gay woman. I would
Speaker 1: imagine now that's still within the community, and again imagining
Speaker 1: that with amongst you still might call each other butch,
Speaker 1: yourself butch, but it's not something that someone outside of
Speaker 1: the community would call. Yeah, she was like like a buddy,
Speaker 1: like buddies with these guys, and so I don't know
Speaker 1: like what they're under just like you know, how words
Speaker 1: are used changed so much, like I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're understanding of. It was that they were they like,
Speaker 1: oh I shouldn't or they just like that's just a
Speaker 1: matter of fact. I have no idea. She was like
Speaker 1: accepted in that group and that's there. That's their acceptance
Speaker 1: of her was to call her that right, like, hey, butch,
Speaker 1: you're probably one of us now. But I imagine with
Speaker 1: all these types of terms in twenty nineteen as a
Speaker 1: less accepted Oh, if I could be if I was
Speaker 1: probably yeah, Like now, if I could go back in time,
Speaker 1: I would go down and knock on the door and
Speaker 1: and be like, you know, uh, I'd like to discuss
Speaker 1: something with you because there's a thing that we all
Speaker 1: do that I want to understand better. She might say, well,
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like that's one of the
Speaker 1: ways I can get accepted, and like if that's what
Speaker 1: I gotta go through to get accepted, that's fine. Maybe
Speaker 1: we had a what we talked about. I never retouched
Speaker 1: on this. But when we were down in Mexico, you
Speaker 1: guys are all there. No, I think you had you
Speaker 1: take you had to take off. Maybe we talked. A
Speaker 1: woman wrote in and she were talking about finding hunting partners.
Speaker 1: And a woman wrote in and she said, I'm a
Speaker 1: woman and I'm gay, and it makes it very hard
Speaker 1: for me to find people to hunt with. And I
Speaker 1: talked about that letter and we got I don't know
Speaker 1: how a dozen plus people writing in being like, I'll
Speaker 1: hunt with her anytime she wants to give her my
Speaker 1: email address, and not one person wrote in to be
Speaker 1: like screw that lady. It was like, dude, send her
Speaker 1: by way, We'll hunt with her. That's awesome. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: you're saying about how good Steve is in the woods.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't say good, phenomenal phenomenal one Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that would we want to talk to start this one
Speaker 1: with a conversation about zones, what zones mean, and how
Speaker 1: your turkey became a conversation of zones. Well, it just
Speaker 1: became a place that we all got to meet up at. Really. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like I'm seeing you a while, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you doing over there? Um? Like yeah, we can,
Speaker 1: we can get that. But Ben and I had been
Speaker 1: hunting all morning. Steve been hunting all morning. You guys
Speaker 1: stayed in your own zone. Yeah, And eventually we heard
Speaker 1: a shot as we were walking back in, and we
Speaker 1: kind of discussed not hunting for the midday and I'm
Speaker 1: going to get some awesome barbecue. Um. And eventually it
Speaker 1: kept hearing the bird gobble from kind of the little
Speaker 1: ranch compound there. It's like, all right, this is yds away,
Speaker 1: throw them a gearback on started walking down the road
Speaker 1: into my zone, in this Steve zone, and then here
Speaker 1: can you enter my zone? Then here comes Steve and
Speaker 1: gung ho to go hunt. And it's helpful to have
Speaker 1: a caller and a shooter. Uh, I would I would
Speaker 1: say most times turkey hunting and um. So uh Steve
Speaker 1: and I um headed headed back into the woods. Um.
Speaker 1: And then there was some discussion as to oh, wait,
Speaker 1: I just told Yanni and dan Yelle that I was
Speaker 1: leaving and now we're coming back into this zone. So
Speaker 1: Yanni and Danielle and made me working into what had
Speaker 1: previously just been Steve zone. UM. And that took some
Speaker 1: some time to kind of figure that out and communicate
Speaker 1: by a cell phone with some like spotty coverage phone
Speaker 1: and dropping and still lead to hurt feelings. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how hurt the feelings really work. Yanni. Listen, I've
Speaker 1: been a tremendous amount of time with him that was
Speaker 1: as upset as he gets. That's ten yes, with my kids,
Speaker 1: that is as upset as he gets. Um, were you
Speaker 1: feeling like you were with your kids at that point
Speaker 1: when Yanni sulks, just disappointed. When he sulks, that's his upset. Now,
Speaker 1: I've seen him actually flip out on people, so that
Speaker 1: he that wasn't because I've seen him flip out a
Speaker 1: couple of times. Um, But he was sulking. He was
Speaker 1: in the eight. He was in the eight sulk go ahead.
Speaker 1: So while that's getting figured out, we're waiting for this
Speaker 1: bird to call, and we're doing some kind of aggressive calling,
Speaker 1: and then finally we hear gobble and we set up
Speaker 1: move a very short distance, set up call a little bit.
Speaker 1: At Steve's doing the calling, I'm just hanging out the
Speaker 1: bird gobbles again, and we get a very clear impression
Speaker 1: that the bird is not going to move closer because
Speaker 1: of um, just just the topography of the landscape. So
Speaker 1: we get back on the road again. Don't leave the road,
Speaker 1: and then it will move like seventy five yards and
Speaker 1: then the road cuts back and basically makes more or
Speaker 1: less within a few degrees a straight line to the turkey.
Speaker 1: And at that point we set up again. Um. I
Speaker 1: set up in a beautiful turkey killing spot which I
Speaker 1: didn't like, which Steve did not like. So then he
Speaker 1: repositions the turkey, almost blocking the entire shooting land. If
Speaker 1: you're not gonna sit where I want, I couldn't lose.
Speaker 1: Put the decoy where I want, yes, um, And it
Speaker 1: was a nice little blind corner situation and turned into
Speaker 1: about a thirty yard shot probably doably. Could I tell
Speaker 1: what my concern was? Please do? There was a Texas fence,
Speaker 1: not a high one but but stiffy yep, And I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell what side of the fence he was on
Speaker 1: me neither, And so I was worried that that I
Speaker 1: wanted you to be in a position where should he
Speaker 1: come up the fence line. You had good a good
Speaker 1: view through the fence, yeah, and you might have felt
Speaker 1: that you did. But that's what that's what. But it's
Speaker 1: just tired to communicate. That's what I was getting at,
Speaker 1: was like, what if he I don't know, but what
Speaker 1: if he Definitely the road was definitely plan A plan B.
Speaker 1: I had, uh you know about it, two and a
Speaker 1: half foot gap, had he come up the other side
Speaker 1: of the fence and had things worked perfectly. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so one call and you know, it was one of
Speaker 1: the called gobbles back where you're like, oh, oh boy,
Speaker 1: this this bird is very committed. You're feeling your tonsils
Speaker 1: and will more than likely not make it past this scenario.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean seconds seconds later, his head comes
Speaker 1: around the blind corner and I really could have shot
Speaker 1: him right then. And then part of my brains like,
Speaker 1: because there was a Jake decoy his register, he registered
Speaker 1: that decoy in a visceral way, yes, And part of
Speaker 1: me was like, oh, we'll hold off and let and
Speaker 1: let's see what this bird does with the Jake decoy.
Speaker 1: I really want to see that interaction just for future.
Speaker 1: And then the other part of my brain was like,
Speaker 1: you're an idiot. Kill that bird rain So I did,
Speaker 1: but it comes when he sees that thing he's got
Speaker 1: like a hold on a minute. Yeah, it was great,
Speaker 1: It was great, but yeah, that that thing was just
Speaker 1: deader than a way ug man. Just yeah, I like,
Speaker 1: I have rarely seen turkeys flop over that thing that
Speaker 1: did not move after that. Meanwhile, you honest is doing everything,
Speaker 1: and that's power to try to get a gobble out
Speaker 1: of that bird. I was also we see there the
Speaker 1: fact that I was maybe even three yards away from
Speaker 1: you guys also in the zone, also hearing me that gobble,
Speaker 1: trying to determine if I should go over there or not,
Speaker 1: and knowing probably not. So I just sat there because
Speaker 1: I was going. I was trying to get out of
Speaker 1: the zone on foot because I was very I was
Speaker 1: challenged by your like I'm going hunting. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if he's going hunting, I'm going on. So I was
Speaker 1: took off to go back to our earlier zone and
Speaker 1: on my way to the zone, which was bird rich,
Speaker 1: which is bird rich. On my way over to that zone,
Speaker 1: I heard a gobble. So I sat down and I
Speaker 1: called a few times, and I was like, it's probably
Speaker 1: not polite. So I just sat there and heard us.
Speaker 1: Then you heard us harvested, and I heard you harvest
Speaker 1: it the bird rich zone. Uh. That Ben was going
Speaker 1: off too, and then got distracted from. Is important to
Speaker 1: note because that is the exact same zone that NA
Speaker 1: returned to later on. Yes, it is important to note.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was last the last I felt. I felt.
Speaker 1: You didn't intentionally chide me, but I felt chided into like,
Speaker 1: am I gonna go sit here and wait for lunch
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna go like cal and valently trudge back
Speaker 1: into the forest to hunt the wild turkey. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm off, and I went off to skip
Speaker 1: your afternoon shower hunting. Yeah, yeah, skip. My Ben has
Speaker 1: a very stringent showering routine in the state of Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's morning, midday, and evening shower, I believe pretty much
Speaker 1: every Yeah, if if I could do it every hour
Speaker 1: on the hour, showing more than once a day, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I was doing twice a day while we
Speaker 1: were there, because I had lived there and I know
Speaker 1: all the ship that's crawling on me. I went off, oh,
Speaker 1: you were doing like tick and jigger work. And so
Speaker 1: I get in there rather than just like walking around
Speaker 1: in my underwear picking. I figured getting in the shower
Speaker 1: is a nice way that I was periodically checking my scroll. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I started having like you know, when you start
Speaker 1: thinking about it, there's a chigger. That's a chigger. That's
Speaker 1: gotta be a chicker. I did come up with one
Speaker 1: chigger bite right on my waistline, but one which is
Speaker 1: just I felt. Yeah, it was just like the weird
Speaker 1: curveball the state of Texas through me because it is
Speaker 1: that experience down there that week was so completely different
Speaker 1: than every other Texas Texas experiment experience that I've had,
Speaker 1: between chiggers and cactus and everything else. My wife. My
Speaker 1: wife said, how's the trip. I said, well, the turkey
Speaker 1: hunting was so so, but I didn't get I didn't
Speaker 1: see a rattlesnake, I didn't get a chicker bite. I
Speaker 1: didn't get a tick on me, so I win. So
Speaker 1: I'm still working a storm in my knee, Yeah, that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I had a cat storm too and in
Speaker 1: my in my behind. But other than that, I'm good
Speaker 1: and in going to Texas. If you get out safely
Speaker 1: without any kind of alpha gal syndrome or any long
Speaker 1: lasting effects, you're good. Yeah, lime disease, any other court
Speaker 1: of ailments viruses. I just I just got a note
Speaker 1: that at the end of that trip, and we did
Speaker 1: the fundraiser for a wild cheap at the end at
Speaker 1: the Yetti flagship store in Austin. They pulled, uh six thousand,
Speaker 1: five hundred bucks at night. That's great because Cal was
Speaker 1: auctioning awkward auction. Yeah, he wasn't doing that. He wasn't going, hey,
Speaker 1: hey guys, listen, listen man, I'm not here to bullshit
Speaker 1: you people. You got money, I got I got something,
Speaker 1: I got stuff to sell it. Let's hear another quick
Speaker 1: turkey story. I'll give you a quick one. Um, this
Speaker 1: is what the next day, correct, we had We had
Speaker 1: a couple of buddies who had a property at lease
Speaker 1: property close to yea relatively close similar area to also
Speaker 1: in the Lanta River down River aways, and Yanni and
Speaker 1: I decided to hunt that virgin property at least to
Speaker 1: us with with two buddies of ours that own archery
Speaker 1: country there in Austin, Tyler and Brennan and I had
Speaker 1: hunted last year before. I had hunted that property, but
Speaker 1: Yanni had never never hunted it. But I felt like,
Speaker 1: you can tell me if I'm wrong. At it's a
Speaker 1: pretty good turkey spot. Yeah, as things go, Yeah, nice
Speaker 1: rang YEA heads up, heads up, to the river. So
Speaker 1: we headed over there in the morning, got up early,
Speaker 1: made the drives like forty five minutes, headed over there,
Speaker 1: and struck off in the morning. I went with h
Speaker 1: I went with Tyler, and Brendan and Yanni went off together.
Speaker 1: They had a bunch of fired up gobblers in one
Speaker 1: spot on this property today before. So we struck off
Speaker 1: and headed over there after those birds and see if
Speaker 1: we can strike them up. We struck up a couple
Speaker 1: of birds across the river, which I was dumb enough
Speaker 1: to think we'll find some other turkeys. It was the Yan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is from us. And we were in a spot
Speaker 1: where you know, you want to talk a hundred of
Speaker 1: your floods. I mean, there was full boats, there was docks,
Speaker 1: there was I mean it looked like the water was
Speaker 1: fifty ft above normal. I mean it was unbelievable, like
Speaker 1: stuff deposited on the banks. Yeah, I mean just to
Speaker 1: breathe everywhere. I mean it was. It was kind of
Speaker 1: a waste land there at that stretch of the river.
Speaker 1: So we walked the river called a little bit, struck
Speaker 1: up a couple of birds across the river. But I
Speaker 1: was dumb enough to think, oh, we're gonna hunt these
Speaker 1: birds that are on our side. I don't want to
Speaker 1: mess with these things. We should probably have we struck
Speaker 1: up some some birds out were fired up. Probably should
Speaker 1: have stayed there and got him to fly across as
Speaker 1: as you guys did at the other spot. Anyhow, we
Speaker 1: went up the hill set up where we knew these
Speaker 1: turkeys were at, started calling and we basically complete silence
Speaker 1: once birds hit the ground, And it was how could
Speaker 1: this happen? How could this never happen? This never never,
Speaker 1: never experienced this in my life. So yes, we we're
Speaker 1: basically screwed. Oh, Yanni did the Yanni Turkey Marathon. He
Speaker 1: walked from the other side of the entire property all
Speaker 1: the way to where we were, and I heard this
Speaker 1: fing and he said he had his track function on
Speaker 1: yea on on X. Brendan did because hunt with him
Speaker 1: from Was he using one of those stupid watches that
Speaker 1: always tells you the wrong everyone those watches, Dude, I
Speaker 1: walked eight miles today. My watch told me so often
Speaker 1: they cannot be We gotta give Brandon. Brendan Hansen is
Speaker 1: a multiple time gold medal Olympic swimmer. For whatever that's worth,
Speaker 1: For whatever that's worth. So he's been there anyways. He says,
Speaker 1: you guys watched seventeen miles looking for turkeys. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that was after I did. That was a person as
Speaker 1: long as it doesn't I don't accept any data from
Speaker 1: one of those I watches. I don't know how far
Speaker 1: it was. I am nine thirty when I hooked up
Speaker 1: with you guys. I was already like, God, I heard this.
Speaker 1: That was a freaking walk about. I just did what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. There's a lot of fit bit fit
Speaker 1: bit like whenever someone was you know, fit bit people.
Speaker 1: We got one from my kid. He wanted one real bad.
Speaker 1: He wakes up, he's wake for five minutes or his shows.
Speaker 1: He's gone like three thousand, three thousand yards. Did come
Speaker 1: downstairs eighteen flights of stairs today? Now? We I was.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing the faint crow call in the distance,
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, that's the direction that Yanni's in.
Speaker 1: But there's no way in this short amount of time
Speaker 1: that he's covered all this distance to get to where
Speaker 1: we are, because we left him on the other side
Speaker 1: of the property. Almost I hear this faint crow call,
Speaker 1: give it to me Ali in the distance. What did
Speaker 1: it sounds like do away off, do a way of
Speaker 1: you the part I don't like the end part, just
Speaker 1: a little something extra for the lady. We're just having fun.
Speaker 1: So there is was he in your zone? Did he
Speaker 1: violate your own kind of kind of? But it's not
Speaker 1: that we didn't really establish his ownes at that point.
Speaker 1: We just thought, well, Yanny so far away, there's no
Speaker 1: way he'll trudge because he had to go through what
Speaker 1: eight gates to get what do you mean? Kind of?
Speaker 1: I was in touch with the freaking lease and I
Speaker 1: was like, can I come down there? Because where you
Speaker 1: guys sent me is obviously the first girl I've ever
Speaker 1: been put in You thought you thought you were girls.
Speaker 1: It's called the lat being creep yep, coming into your own.
Speaker 1: I was like, that man has big strides, made it
Speaker 1: all the way over here. But I heard a faint
Speaker 1: stretching fences from one end of the rag plushing gates
Speaker 1: over I heard his faint crow call, and I thought
Speaker 1: that sounds like a Yanni crow call, not that it
Speaker 1: didn't sound good because there's not a lot of crows there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not. You don't hear there's some, but there's there's
Speaker 1: not something you don't hear that three note crow call? Uh.
Speaker 1: And then I heard I heard a yelp, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's a Yanni. That's a Yanni yelp and it has
Speaker 1: like two stages. It's got, it's got, it's two staged
Speaker 1: six notes and it's two stages. Um when those notes,
Speaker 1: so I knew that was Yanni. Well, Yanni came over
Speaker 1: and met up with us, and there was it was quiet.
Speaker 1: You hadn't heard a gobel to that point, at super
Speaker 1: quiet um to the point where it was getting a
Speaker 1: little bit depressing. So we endeavored to to go and
Speaker 1: grab some sandwiches or We're gonna go. Reset, got in
Speaker 1: the truck, rolled down to this little creek bottom where
Speaker 1: I had heard birds goblin before. I'm like, let's just
Speaker 1: get out and hammer him. Um. We got out and
Speaker 1: almost as soon as we got out of the truck, right, Yanni, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we blew the crow call and he answered and he
Speaker 1: was boom answered. Now this is and what we didn't
Speaker 1: say about either your two birds. You know, to Steve Reno,
Speaker 1: I was doing my best in version of it, but
Speaker 1: I'm sure it wasn't Steve. Steve believes his crow calling
Speaker 1: is his Olympic in nature, like it's gold medal. There's
Speaker 1: something like particularly shocking to a turkey when I crow
Speaker 1: call piercing it. Now, I gotta say, when I pull
Speaker 1: that crow call out, I watched them they take two
Speaker 1: or three steps backward to get behind to get behind
Speaker 1: me before I do it. So you you I didn't
Speaker 1: see that though in our short time together there was
Speaker 1: no shocks. Uh, but I believe you. But Yanni shocked
Speaker 1: him up and they were just kind of like what
Speaker 1: yards away? This bird was put down in this little
Speaker 1: little creek bottoms, beautiful little um dry bottom. It was hot, man.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we knew we we we need to find
Speaker 1: some shade. It's not that day. My friends and um,
Speaker 1: so there's four of us. We're like, we'll all four
Speaker 1: go down there and see if we call us burden,
Speaker 1: which is generally not prescribed it we've been heavy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we went in't heavy, and it was it was decided
Speaker 1: that I would shoot this turkey. Yanni had his fan
Speaker 1: and we went down into the bottom. What do you
Speaker 1: call your fan, Yannie? Slim shady, Yeah, slim jimsickings, slim pickens.
Speaker 1: I think it is what you tea we got slim
Speaker 1: Pickings out. We went down there and hit it. Not
Speaker 1: not sooner did we did? We say slim because it's
Speaker 1: only a fan with like a turkey head. You might
Speaker 1: as to talk about it. Yeah, give people his turkey
Speaker 1: decoy's head off. Yeah, it's a premost chicken on a steak,
Speaker 1: which is sweet decoy. I like what I like about
Speaker 1: it has the steak, has like a handle, even has
Speaker 1: a little you where you can drop your shotgun into it,
Speaker 1: so you can be holding the fan and you're that's
Speaker 1: that's way. That's like a coat hanger. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you can you can fan with it, or you can
Speaker 1: just stick it into the ground and use it as
Speaker 1: a decoy. But I wanted it to be a little
Speaker 1: bit more poor, a little bit more running gun friendly,
Speaker 1: and so I basically whacked off three quarters of the
Speaker 1: decoy body so it was just the head left, and
Speaker 1: you know, did a little tweaking and basically attached that
Speaker 1: to the stake handle and the fan. And so because
Speaker 1: he's so slim and two dimensional, slim shady, slim, shady,
Speaker 1: slim pickings, Well, slim, that's your favorite actor, Slim shady, slim,
Speaker 1: slim Pickings, I did like eight miles, tell you what.
Speaker 1: I never saw that, but he's in that movie Happy People. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's pretty good, and that's pretty good. He's no slim pickings. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I doesn't have depths and body of work of doctor
Speaker 1: Strange Love. This is the greatest movies ever made. This
Speaker 1: is why podcast exist. Go on. You just need one
Speaker 1: role or you get a ride an a bomb, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of that's you. That's your one shining moment.
Speaker 1: Uh So we all flour judge down to this bottom.
Speaker 1: This turkey's he's pretty fired up for a midday bird,
Speaker 1: and it's hot. It was pretty hot. Um. I didn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of confidence because he seemed a little
Speaker 1: he seemed like he was in his strut zone. He
Speaker 1: didn't really want to break. Is that is that how
Speaker 1: you see it? Yanni? Yes, I would say so. So
Speaker 1: we all, I, Yanni and I kind of got up
Speaker 1: against some trees and we knew he had a There
Speaker 1: was a fence in between us. Was one of those
Speaker 1: six Strand fences that we were talking about, and we're thinking,
Speaker 1: this dude's gonna have to come across that unless we
Speaker 1: you know, unless we jump it. But if we jump
Speaker 1: it were too close. He comes, he starts gobbling, We
Speaker 1: sit down. He's not really he wasn't cutting any distance.
Speaker 1: For for five to ten minutes, Yanni was hitting him hard.
Speaker 1: I got got the old box box call out, but
Speaker 1: we decided to skip closer and split up. And then
Speaker 1: and then both of us calls sounded like a whole fuck,
Speaker 1: whole raft. He was fired up, and he was answering
Speaker 1: every time, and he was he was thundering, but he
Speaker 1: just wasn't. He was in his zone and he didn't
Speaker 1: didn't feel the need to come over because they I
Speaker 1: think that they enjoy that. Yeah, I think that, like
Speaker 1: you think that there's unfel like when he's not you're
Speaker 1: calling and he's goblin and you feel that there's this
Speaker 1: thing that needs to happen now. I think that they
Speaker 1: sometimes revel in that. I think so too, And I
Speaker 1: think this is a perfect example of what how it goes.
Speaker 1: So we're calling. It was ten minutes of calling. I
Speaker 1: bet and I get out the call. Him and I
Speaker 1: are both gone. We're hitting it together. At some point
Speaker 1: you could just tell that he was committed, like at
Speaker 1: some point he was he was We were cutting him
Speaker 1: off both cutting him off. He was getting a little
Speaker 1: more jacked up, a little more excited. He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make love double, and he had a he had
Speaker 1: a triple, guy will be making love soon. And I'm
Speaker 1: I'm maybe ten yards away from Johnny. And I turned
Speaker 1: to him at one point and he goes, let's just
Speaker 1: stay quiet. Let's let's just shut up for a while.
Speaker 1: See what happens. We shut up and not it was
Speaker 1: coincidence that up, And then I think he was coming already.
Speaker 1: I thought I knew he was coming for sure when
Speaker 1: we shut up and quit Goblin. Like thirty seconds later,
Speaker 1: he just hits one and he's way closer than he was.
Speaker 1: And I turned to our other two companions. I'm like,
Speaker 1: he's coming, like get ready. So we've got me on
Speaker 1: the left, Yahni on the right, Yahni got old slim
Speaker 1: pickings just just giving into the sweet turn, that sweet
Speaker 1: music where there's just tails. Had to come. He had
Speaker 1: to come investigate, because silence, that little tail fan just
Speaker 1: just going across. Yeah, we could see way up this
Speaker 1: shady creek bottom that we couldn't see what the turkey was.
Speaker 1: But he came across the thick stuff and popped out ards.
Speaker 1: I called him coming through the thick stuff and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh dude, that's all. And he comes out into the
Speaker 1: open creek bottom and we're all, there's four dudes just
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not covered up at all. I'm like,
Speaker 1: he might this might not go well. There's the thing
Speaker 1: of beauty though, because he kind of came out of
Speaker 1: the shade and right into a sunny spot and then
Speaker 1: he just full came out, full strut and just glowed
Speaker 1: and just and it was it was like one of
Speaker 1: those like the avenues in the creek bottom. It's like
Speaker 1: that avenue in the creek bottom where he got trees
Speaker 1: on both sides. You got a bunch of brush and
Speaker 1: there's just just like lane and he didn't get he
Speaker 1: wasn't like walking the edge of lane. He came right
Speaker 1: out in the open and walked in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: And it's like painting. You see that famous painting by
Speaker 1: that famous painter of Daniel Boone coming through the Cumberland Gape.
Speaker 1: Just it's like he just parted the seat and he
Speaker 1: was just coming through and he was just like, oh man,
Speaker 1: he was and he was strutting. He was hit the
Speaker 1: strut and he would go back down and look around
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah yeah, coming in and it hit it
Speaker 1: up and he kits I did not like I wanted to.
Speaker 1: I wanted him to come in and put on the
Speaker 1: show because once I saw him turning the corner, I'm like,
Speaker 1: unless he unless one of us does something stupid, this
Speaker 1: is over. But he took. He took this sweet old
Speaker 1: time coming up the lane and then got to the
Speaker 1: fence which was roughly twenty five yards away and just
Speaker 1: hit it and just was he was going back and forth,
Speaker 1: he was trying to find a way through the fence,
Speaker 1: and he was spitting drumming like every noise a turkey
Speaker 1: can make. He was making um. And so the other
Speaker 1: two guys were with Tyler and Brennan hadn't really turkey
Speaker 1: on very much or like almost never maybe one time
Speaker 1: in the woods. So they got the show of shows.
Speaker 1: I mean, he spit drumming. Just you hear a lot
Speaker 1: of guys say that I want to see the show.
Speaker 1: I want to get the show when I kill a turkey,
Speaker 1: and that means that means get to watch him come
Speaker 1: shutting gobbling. He would, yeah, he would, he started and
Speaker 1: gobble his whole way in and once he got to
Speaker 1: shooting range, he was just going back and forth on
Speaker 1: the fence, just hitting it because I mean just spitting
Speaker 1: the drum as low as I've heard. Didn't gobbler very
Speaker 1: much once he got in close. But they don't do that,
Speaker 1: So the show sounds kind of perverse. You'd want to
Speaker 1: see that and then shoot the turkey. But everybody who
Speaker 1: sits around sits down to Thanksgiving turkey, what was the
Speaker 1: show they got? It? Shows up in the back of it.
Speaker 1: Nothing shows up. Cram to do a truck hundred dollar
Speaker 1: organic turkey with thirty thousand other turkeys cram to a
Speaker 1: truck and they dragged it out by its feet and
Speaker 1: run through a slaughter line. I had much rather eat
Speaker 1: a turkey that showed up like that. Dude, I've been
Speaker 1: on I just showed up. I just got back from vacations,
Speaker 1: so I haven't eaten any part of turkey. But when
Speaker 1: I do, I will be thinking of him coming down
Speaker 1: that lane. You'll be picturing one of those sad trailers
Speaker 1: for the white turkeys going down the high off the
Speaker 1: back of a giant bim big cryo back bam, like yeah,
Speaker 1: and I will admit to having made a bit of
Speaker 1: a mistake here when I killed the turkey. He was
Speaker 1: looking try to get through the fence and he was
Speaker 1: putting his head up trying to and he looked to
Speaker 1: get through the fence and figured out he couldn't get
Speaker 1: through it, and I feel I'm gonna kill him now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he kind of he kind of came out of strut
Speaker 1: and put his head close to the fence. So he
Speaker 1: really wanted through that fence. He wanted through a bad
Speaker 1: he was. He was seeing another Golers strut in twenty
Speaker 1: five yards away. Man, he wanted to like get up
Speaker 1: in the kicking nuts on it. He was, so he
Speaker 1: kind of he came out of a couple of times
Speaker 1: where he'd be like showy, showy, showy, and then he
Speaker 1: kind of going to three quarters strut. He could see
Speaker 1: his head looking at the fence. He'd walk a little
Speaker 1: bit and then let's go back. I was thinking if
Speaker 1: we let him and let him keep put on the show,
Speaker 1: he might have backed up and flown over the fence,
Speaker 1: which would have been out a shot as soon as
Speaker 1: he landed. Just just had a principle, but it he
Speaker 1: he came at broke strut and was like looking through
Speaker 1: the fence, looking and I thought I could shoot him
Speaker 1: right now. I'm gonna blow his head off easy. And
Speaker 1: they went back into strut and started walking towards Joanni
Speaker 1: a bit away from me, and I thought, well, it's
Speaker 1: time to go. So I shot him when he was
Speaker 1: in full strut and just wrecked him. I mean, just
Speaker 1: I've never I mean, I took he didn't twitch, did he,
Speaker 1: I mean, he just down folded. And it turns out
Speaker 1: that I hit him pretty hard like both And you
Speaker 1: were saying you thought maybe it was a butchering mistake.
Speaker 1: I'm oh, I'm sure. I'm sure it wasn't because I've
Speaker 1: done a lot of them. But it could have been.
Speaker 1: But when I pulled his his both his legs back
Speaker 1: to cut his thighs off and his both of his
Speaker 1: I guess it would be his his femer bone and
Speaker 1: snapped in half. Like when when that payload hit him,
Speaker 1: he just felt so fast that the force of it
Speaker 1: broke both his legs. I still don't understand. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand, like the I'm not saying I understand either,
Speaker 1: but that's what that's what I encounter when I broke
Speaker 1: him open and he drops the damn fast. I remember
Speaker 1: carrying him out like later, throw him back the truckolate
Speaker 1: could have been tail. That would have been a good
Speaker 1: way to play. I think we would have seen bruising
Speaker 1: had we had he gone through some sort of trauma
Speaker 1: like that, right, Yeah, No, there was no bruising the legs.
Speaker 1: It was just literally both his legs were I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the best ex plane so hard, like
Speaker 1: he broke his own size like he dropped. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've never seen a turkey. Yeah, I've never seen turkey
Speaker 1: drop faster than that and not move like did not.
Speaker 1: I've definitely seen him fold like that with a zero flopping,
Speaker 1: but not even I mean, what else would cause that?
Speaker 1: He didn't walk in there with those two legs broken
Speaker 1: like that. I can tell you that cleaning there, that's
Speaker 1: what you were sat. I didn't like make the same air.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you'd clean it so hard as
Speaker 1: a breaking I'm telling well, I got you're using the
Speaker 1: truck skins that turkey. I put a golf ball up
Speaker 1: its ass, uh No, I j t V and Will
Speaker 1: standing there and I flopped him open to pull his
Speaker 1: breasts off in his thighs and legs, and he said,
Speaker 1: holy ship, because when you just flop them open, you
Speaker 1: can see it. Um. So that's that's my big takeaway,
Speaker 1: the payload from the old tss put a hurting on
Speaker 1: that turkey. Yeah. And if you, if you, um, you
Speaker 1: could tell one turkey story, Do you want to tell
Speaker 1: the story of Daniells first turkey? It's certainly more interesting.
Speaker 1: You're right, because I got to get in on a
Speaker 1: couple of turkey kills, um call, and I gotta help
Speaker 1: me double up on the last day. It was fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's one of my favorite hunting things that
Speaker 1: happens when it dudes like, man, I'm just gonna run
Speaker 1: out real quick before we leave, because Yanni never says die, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run out quick before we leave. It was
Speaker 1: too close for me though, I don't I didn't like
Speaker 1: the pressure of that hunt. It was like you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta push the repeatedly because you're like, well, I
Speaker 1: do not get fun because you're just in the back
Speaker 1: of your head. You're constantly like, well, I wonder if
Speaker 1: we can leave a little bit later. I wonder if
Speaker 1: they're gonna be piste off if we get there at
Speaker 1: three instead of two, because it was about one when
Speaker 1: we killed. Any who, Yeah, I got to hunt with
Speaker 1: Danielle for for her first what she considered her first
Speaker 1: real in air quotes Turkey Hunch and wild Game chef
Speaker 1: Daniel Pru. Yeah, Danielle Prue wild in the home. Um
Speaker 1: and uh, we had a similar morning to what you
Speaker 1: guys described, but I went back out. The only one
Speaker 1: thing I'll add to the little story, but we can't
Speaker 1: really go off on a tangent here, but bringing back
Speaker 1: up Cal's bird story, we were working that same bird.
Speaker 1: You guys are obviously much closer to that burden we were,
Speaker 1: but you know, it was late in the day. It
Speaker 1: was nude, one pm something like that. We've been out,
Speaker 1: daniell have been on a turkey tour. My Onyx had said,
Speaker 1: like six or six and a half miles. At that point,
Speaker 1: I could see it she starting to drag a little bit.
Speaker 1: But now we're like set up, got a pretty hot bird.
Speaker 1: You know, he's working and and we could hear your
Speaker 1: calls a little bit. I think she even mentioned it.
Speaker 1: But AnyWho, man, that shot goes off and you could
Speaker 1: just see her shoulders slumped down. She said to me,
Speaker 1: I didn't I feel like someone burst my balloon out delay.
Speaker 1: I know these boys got lost. AnyWho, we got back
Speaker 1: out it maybe we were lost, we were in our zone.
Speaker 1: We got back at three or so, and uh man,
Speaker 1: it was amazing. What was interesting about that country is
Speaker 1: that if you got on a high point at all,
Speaker 1: you could hear a gobble a long ways away. I'm
Speaker 1: talking like stuff you can measure in uh quarters and halves,
Speaker 1: maybe even three quarters of a mile. Um. Because the
Speaker 1: one thing we'd eventually getting on, I'm thinking, he's for
Speaker 1: sure on our side of the river. And as we
Speaker 1: get closer, I'm like, yep, on our side, but definitely
Speaker 1: down at the river. Where we show up at the river,
Speaker 1: that bugger's three hundred yards on the other side of
Speaker 1: the river. And um, yeah, they just they that it
Speaker 1: just whatever. It was topography and the and the floor
Speaker 1: that really let those gobbles travel far. Anyho on the
Speaker 1: other side of the river. And although I had no
Speaker 1: I knew that Steve had some birds that came across
Speaker 1: the river. Um. I was thinking, man, this is a
Speaker 1: long shot. Daniel Tha was such a long shot that
Speaker 1: she was kind of in her head thinks she didn't
Speaker 1: tell me, But in her head she's thinking, how long
Speaker 1: are we gonna sit here and just listen to this
Speaker 1: turkey gobble on the other side of the river that
Speaker 1: we can't even see, Like this is a stupid idea.
Speaker 1: We're wasting our time. We should be doing something else.
Speaker 1: But he was hot, and he was, you know, pretty
Speaker 1: much goblin almost every call. So I kept at and
Speaker 1: kept at, and eventually I could tell he moved down
Speaker 1: the bank a little bit and he popped out. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, he at least moved out of it.
Speaker 1: If it was a struct zone. It was weird because
Speaker 1: he was like it sounds like he was coming from
Speaker 1: between two sort of like what I would call like
Speaker 1: machine shed, not the bar and more like metal side
Speaker 1: and machine shed looking buildings, like he was strutting like
Speaker 1: in the park a lot like like tractor and mower storage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: more of a garage and the barn. Anyway, he pops
Speaker 1: out and it looks like he's sort of angling our way,
Speaker 1: you know, still doing the strutton and and you know,
Speaker 1: zig zagging, and eventually the zig zags get smaller and
Speaker 1: smaller and smaller than zig zag turns into a straight
Speaker 1: line going towards the river bank, and like vally'd be
Speaker 1: better get ready and take the situation seriously, you know,
Speaker 1: And uh he gets He actually goes up on one
Speaker 1: of those bluffs that you described and does a few
Speaker 1: circles up there, and I'm thinking, man, you know, if
Speaker 1: he pitches, it's on, you know, but there's also a
Speaker 1: really good chance that he's gonna do a few circles
Speaker 1: and just sitting there and gobble at us for the
Speaker 1: next hour and then go back up to that machine shop,
Speaker 1: and you know that would be at the end of
Speaker 1: the story. Well, lucky for us, he pitches and lands
Speaker 1: on the Mojave Desert Sandy Beach don't like to fly
Speaker 1: two or three hundred yards away, and uh goes into
Speaker 1: full strut for a second, drops full strut, and then
Speaker 1: just starts be lining it towards us. And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely one of the more incredible and more interesting wild
Speaker 1: calling I've been in, uh part of to see one
Speaker 1: fly across the river and they walk across the Sandy
Speaker 1: Beach to me, Um, you got you got all this
Speaker 1: on your phone video? That's right, that's right. I made
Speaker 1: a little Instagram story as they call it, and I
Speaker 1: saved it in my Highlights, which I learned about recently,
Speaker 1: and it's like, it's a pretty happy you can go
Speaker 1: check it out. Fine, just at Janie Poodles. That's right,
Speaker 1: it's actually yeah Janice Underscore, who tell us so proud
Speaker 1: of your Instagram? J Underscore? No j A N I
Speaker 1: s underscore p U T E L I s Yeah,
Speaker 1: And under Highlights, wasn't it? It was twitched it okay,
Speaker 1: snake it easier. He's like, I am a Latvian, I
Speaker 1: am a hunter, but his name is that all I am.
Speaker 1: It's if you go on Instagram you want to see
Speaker 1: the deer hung up in the fence, go at Steven
Speaker 1: Ronella and then we're not. When you're there, go to follow.
Speaker 1: I guess I got into a weird place of like
Speaker 1: being like the whole cute Instagram handle thing and you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So anyways, I went playing simple
Speaker 1: be an old Calori. So this bird come nothing right
Speaker 1: to the grassy bank, and I thought he was gonna come.
Speaker 1: He's sort of. At some point he went perpendicular to
Speaker 1: us a little bit to get on the bank, which
Speaker 1: at first I was nervous about because I thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna we're gonna lose sight of him, and then
Speaker 1: he was going to get into the thick stuff and
Speaker 1: then actually maybe even circle us and come through the
Speaker 1: thick stuff and pop out it, you know, five or
Speaker 1: ten yards. But instead he gets just he just wanted
Speaker 1: to get up on our level. And uh he started
Speaker 1: coming right at us. And the whole time we're you know,
Speaker 1: just basically sitting there with his fan in front of us,
Speaker 1: and uh turn it back and forth, moving it up
Speaker 1: and down a little bit. And uh, yeah, he gobbled
Speaker 1: and strutted and all the way to thirty yards and
Speaker 1: then I made a couple of calls and got him
Speaker 1: to stretch his neck out. Yeah, Danielle was all over him.
Speaker 1: And then she turned to you and said, holy sh it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, did I think about hunt with Danny,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of times you hunt with people and
Speaker 1: they get something, and I have this thing. I started
Speaker 1: worrying about the meat. YEP. I'm like, you know, are
Speaker 1: they gonna You're worried about what's gonna happen to it?
Speaker 1: Are they gonna put in the freezer and freezer burn it?
Speaker 1: And never forget and forget about it and throw it out,
Speaker 1: but nicely the hunt with like a wild game, like
Speaker 1: a real serious wild game coad, you never have to
Speaker 1: have that concern. Yeah, she tried to render the turkey
Speaker 1: fat out of its sponge. So did it work. She
Speaker 1: made a broth out of it out of the damn sponge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which he's saying. The broth is good, not much fat,
Speaker 1: but the rendering liquid was good. That's interesting. Now that's
Speaker 1: next level wild game. You know how most of us
Speaker 1: has the big box or the turkeys coming in. We
Speaker 1: have these visions of Grandeur that I like to call him,
Speaker 1: which means in my head, I'm like already I'm not
Speaker 1: purposely thinking this, but my brain, my little subconscious ego,
Speaker 1: does this where somehow I drift off to like the
Speaker 1: time when I'm gonna be back at the tailgate with
Speaker 1: Cal and Ben Steve and we'll be looking at the
Speaker 1: spurs and high five and having a beer or maybe
Speaker 1: like thinking about what the European Mount is gonna look
Speaker 1: like on the wall. You know, it's it's so weird
Speaker 1: that the brain does that, but it does because it's
Speaker 1: not like I don't I'm not sitting there going oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I can I just drift away, But Danielle
Speaker 1: was instead of her visions of Grande were more like
Speaker 1: tacos out of the thighs, and then this is gonna
Speaker 1: need the breast, and then I got this idea about
Speaker 1: the Pope snows that I'm gonna do, and she was yeah,
Speaker 1: the point being that, yeah, she had a big plan
Speaker 1: for every single do I gotta worry about it. That's
Speaker 1: I don't like that feeling of worrying about what someone's
Speaker 1: gonna do with what they just got. And in the
Speaker 1: minute they're like, like, do you want mine? Just take it?
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, if that's what you're I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: it because I'll make sure it's something. I'll get it
Speaker 1: in the right hands. And I don't trust you anymore.
Speaker 1: She uh, yeah, she made some incredible Uh would she
Speaker 1: call him tequila line? I believe mine tequila tacos out
Speaker 1: of the thigh mostly. I think Turkey on especially. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's more than other, but most people
Speaker 1: you run into are talking about the breasts and the
Speaker 1: breast only like not this crew, but most people in
Speaker 1: my experience that run into were talking about that way.
Speaker 1: There's a there's this like a slight expansion to legs
Speaker 1: and thighs, but taking it a little further like Yannie does.
Speaker 1: Gizzard's hearts, livers and things like that. Sponge I think
Speaker 1: is his critical man. It's oh, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: doing this year, and I'll be reporting back here in
Speaker 1: a while. But I've saved every single uh turkey foot
Speaker 1: or I guess what's what's below the drumstick stock. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try making stock, yeah, because a lot of chefs
Speaker 1: make they consider the best stock out of chicken feet exactly. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: I take the spurs and cut each side of the
Speaker 1: spur you taught you taught me that trick. So it's
Speaker 1: just a spur and a little bit of the leg bone.
Speaker 1: Drill a hole in it. And I got a thing
Speaker 1: that I used to pull the lights onto my garage,
Speaker 1: and I string him on that string. It's real nice.
Speaker 1: Someday someone's gonna come and steal that string from you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt them down and kill him. I've adopted,
Speaker 1: starting with this dark scenario halls uh way of um or. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his system of keeping tally or keeping uh you know,
Speaker 1: mementos from turkey hunts, which is one spur from each
Speaker 1: turkey and it goes onto a string, just one. You
Speaker 1: know what my other pool cord is, do you write
Speaker 1: something on the Spanish mackerel's jaw And the other pool
Speaker 1: cord is turkey spurs. Turn the turkey spur light down?
Speaker 1: But cut your hand? Am I? Uh downgraded because I don't.
Speaker 1: I kill a lot of turkeys, but I don't save
Speaker 1: I mean, I have some fans and stuff in my freezer,
Speaker 1: but I don't anything. And I've mentioned the thousand million times,
Speaker 1: but I had the spur earrings made for my wife. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I just don't. Have never struck me
Speaker 1: that I had to save him. That's good for any like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I look down on um. Good checking in on that.
Speaker 1: So fourth quarter hunt cat, we we have to go.
Speaker 1: Some folks have to go to the airport. Some folks
Speaker 1: have to go to UM the Stars in the sky,
Speaker 1: UH doc viewing, UH slash fundraiser at the Yeady store
Speaker 1: all the way back in Austin. So we have a
Speaker 1: couple hours to hunt. Uh Janis and I decided to
Speaker 1: hop in the little rand trig the side by side
Speaker 1: and UH try to hit this general zone that really
Speaker 1: hadn't been uh touched since opening since our opening morning,
Speaker 1: and that's where the birds. Ben and I found the
Speaker 1: birds and they were strutting on the other side of
Speaker 1: the fence, and um, that was we had stopped several
Speaker 1: times to try to locate and get a response. We
Speaker 1: finally get to this point and we get a far
Speaker 1: off gobble on the other side of the property of
Speaker 1: our property. But it's like where you gotta put all
Speaker 1: your eggs in one basket at some point in the
Speaker 1: ticking clock scenario. It was worth a try, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we went up there and set up on him
Speaker 1: twice just to kind of know, just to cut the distance.
Speaker 1: You know, you never know exactly how far he is
Speaker 1: until he's pretty much within shotgun range. And uh, the
Speaker 1: fence was a problem, but he started parallel in the
Speaker 1: fence and then luckily for us, we get to a
Speaker 1: point where the fence it takes a hard right. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a ninety degree turn on the fence, and so
Speaker 1: you can imagine if two folks are paralleling a straight
Speaker 1: line and then there's a ninety degree turn, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're basically face to face faced beak Man
Speaker 1: fences played a big role in You just gonna say
Speaker 1: the same thing. I'm like, it's the story of fences, man,
Speaker 1: the whole story of fences. I like that. Yeah, rap
Speaker 1: ro running along. We uh we saw three gobblers. What
Speaker 1: we thought we were chasing was one ended up being three,
Speaker 1: and uh, cal put that. We had to creep around
Speaker 1: that little corner and cow put the fan up. At
Speaker 1: some point I called I don't know what I called for.
Speaker 1: I do remember they all three of them simultaneously. Gob
Speaker 1: They saw the fan and you could see the wheels
Speaker 1: turned for a few seconds, and then they pretty much
Speaker 1: charged in. This was my first experience watching the fan
Speaker 1: in action, and you could just see like everybody was
Speaker 1: strapped and then they were like first one gets her,
Speaker 1: like everybody relaxes and just starts straight line. And so
Speaker 1: I shot one and then uh, the other ones jumped
Speaker 1: on his dead buddy and it's pecking and spurn him
Speaker 1: and whatnot. And then I realized that we had four tags.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, couch, she didn't know that one. He's like,
Speaker 1: if you want the meat, yeah, we'll have to touch
Speaker 1: on that next time. We're talking about turkeys, which probably
Speaker 1: won't be long. Is uh a, Turkey's proclivity to one
Speaker 1: his buddy is harvested too when his buddy gets killed
Speaker 1: to then spur to attack Peck and spur his buddy.
Speaker 1: This is next level kicking a man when he's down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they turn on each other real quick, assholes. And he's like,
Speaker 1: I've been watching you and now with my chance and
Speaker 1: not gonna spur you. And or if they walk away
Speaker 1: feeling like they killed him, Yeah, maybe if he's later
Speaker 1: like you know that one I was with, I killed him?
Speaker 1: He sure, he tripped and fell and I killed and
Speaker 1: I killed him. That took advantage of that, That's what
Speaker 1: he tells people later A lot. There was a loud noise.
Speaker 1: There was a loud noise. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: It caused him to trip and fall. He tripped and fell,
Speaker 1: and then I killed him with my beacon spurs, Steve,
Speaker 1: should we preview the thing that we filmed down there
Speaker 1: speaking of all this? Are we're going to keep that
Speaker 1: top top secret? Should be? Well? Yeah, we filmed the
Speaker 1: thing that explains a lot about Turkey. Is probably the
Speaker 1: best instructional Turkey piece ever made, the pre eminent uh
Speaker 1: in the in the descape of Turkey instructional videos. I've
Speaker 1: never read the book, but you could say we basically
Speaker 1: just like transcribed the book Seventh Legion Legion, Colonel this
Speaker 1: is more like Seventh Legion into a visual format that
Speaker 1: everybody can understand. Yeah, one of us is the Poet Laureate,
Speaker 1: the new Poet Laureate of Turkey Hunting. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a big deal. What are you nodding that before, Johnnie,
Speaker 1: because you look like you're about to wrap it up.
Speaker 1: I'm wrapping her up. You like do it. I'm wrapping
Speaker 1: her up. Thanks for joining