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Speaker 1: From the Shrine Bowl in Las Vegas. This is the

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Speaker 1: Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar and Alex Barr.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lazar, Alex bar Vegas, Lazar, Alex bar Here is

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Speaker 1: Evan Lazar and Alex Barr Vegas. Hello, everybody, and welcome

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Speaker 1: into a new edition of the Patriots Catch twenty two

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Speaker 1: podcast coming to you from Las Vegas, Nevada on the

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Speaker 1: left coast. Alex Barth Evan Lazar in the Lux Store

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Speaker 1: right now, which is the hub of the Shrine Bowl.

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Speaker 1: A little behind the scenes here for all of you

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Speaker 1: that are trying to figure out where the heck we are.

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Speaker 1: We are in the Las Vegas Strip, but we were

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Speaker 1: just at U and LV Alex for both practices, both

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Speaker 1: the East and the West, so not just the Patriots. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the Patriots where the focus of our day today, but

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Speaker 1: we also took in the East practices as well. So

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Speaker 1: we'll give you some takeaways from both practice sessions, some standouts.

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Speaker 1: But I want to start with the Patriots coaching staff

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Speaker 1: because it was fascinating to watch and we see them

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Speaker 1: out at training camp. But I think this was even

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Speaker 1: more of a peal back of the curtain. Because of

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Speaker 1: the setting that we were in, it was a lot

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Speaker 1: more intimate and private. There weren't fans obviously out in

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Speaker 1: the stands. And although by title Troy Brown was the

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Speaker 1: head coach of the West team, I'm gonna put it

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Speaker 1: in air quotes. You people can't see me, but air

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Speaker 1: quoting that he was the head coach of the West

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Speaker 1: to him. Not to take anything away from Troy, but

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Speaker 1: because Bill Belichick was as hands on in this practice

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Speaker 1: as any other coach, it was vintage Bill in that respect. Well,

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Speaker 1: there was one other guy who was very handful on it.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't don't. Oh, well, go ahead, I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: say like, like, yeah, you know, part of the interest here,

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Speaker 1: also a new staff, right to some extent. And Bill

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Speaker 1: O'Brien was also very vocal. But yeah, Bill Belichick, you know,

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Speaker 1: know that the attitude here has been and we were

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Speaker 1: so that being Thursday, right, it was the first time

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Speaker 1: sort of and it was all West team players working

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Speaker 1: he had the Patriots are very competitive about this, like

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Speaker 1: they're not here just to coach some All Star game.

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Speaker 1: And it was Travis Die. They running back from USC

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Speaker 1: banged up. He's here to go to meetings and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. Travis Dye told me, Yeah, they want to win.

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Speaker 1: We're here playing an All Star Game and they want

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Speaker 1: had Matt grow after practice he got asked a question,

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Speaker 1: There there is no, you know, laid back approach to

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Speaker 1: seen like they're going after it. It was I don't

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Speaker 1: so they weren't into it. We also don't know how

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Speaker 1: it was it was a little different because both teams

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Speaker 1: Ross Douglas, who's the Patriots de facto offensive coordinator for

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Speaker 1: Everybody has been fantastic this week. They've been awesome. Not

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Speaker 1: press man at the line of scrimmage and really going

429
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Speaker 1: and seeing that. The one thing I really thought was

430
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Speaker 1: nice about Nick Jones too, He had a great rep

431
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Speaker 1: in red zone and I tweeted about it called a

432
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: banjo When you call make a banjo call, it's basically

433
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: like think about like a pick and roll in basketball,

434
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: when you switch it right instead of trying to match

435
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: the receiver. So you have the outside receiver and the

436
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: inside receiver. So let's just make it simple. Let's call

437
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: it slant flat right, So you have a slant from

438
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: the outside receiver. You have a flat route from the

439
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: slot receiver. Instead of trying to run through that traffic

440
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: as corners, what a lot of teams will do is

441
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: they'll switch it at the line of scrimmage. There that

442
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,959
Speaker 1: way they can just kind of leverage both routes and

443
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: Nick Jones was able to see his receiver go underneath

444
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Speaker 1: and then this particular play was actually like an under

445
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: corner routes. It's kind of like a smash style concept,

446
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: and he was able to get depth and get back

447
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: into the into the deep corner route. Into the back pylon,

448
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 1: and I just thought it was great awaring his great

449
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: job falling off of his guy and getting depth, because

450
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: that is a really difficult play to make because you're

451
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Speaker 1: up at the line of scrimmage, you think that you're

452
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: really not going to have to worry about anything behind

453
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Speaker 1: you because you're in the red zone and you're able

454
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Speaker 1: to drop off. So I thought that was a really

455
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: good a wear in his high IQ type of play

456
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: along with the movement skills. But I thought both of

457
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 1: those guys really stood out, and quite frankly, especially during

458
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: one on ones early in practice, the corners were dominating

459
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 1: the West receivers. It looked like a Patriots training camp practice.

460
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it, Yeah, it looked like a Patriots

461
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: training camp practice from last year when it just felt

462
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: like the corners had the upper hand for most of

463
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Speaker 1: the day. The one other guy I'll bring up in

464
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Speaker 1: the secondary two and I kind of notice him late

465
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Speaker 1: in practice. I'm interested in watching him more tomorrow. Jordan

466
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: Howden say in Minnesota. Yeah, one of the So he

467
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: made some nice plays. But the reason I was interested

468
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: is if Devin McCardy retires, the Patriots are going to

469
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: need that deep safety, that free safety, and there's so

470
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 1: few guys, especially in college football, that play like a

471
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 1: true free safety spot. It's a lot of hybrids, and

472
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: it can be tough to tell. How does a team

473
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: view a guy. Do they see him as a box safety?

474
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: The slot corners are free safety. So I'm looking right away, right,

475
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: who are the Patriots playing deep? And there's a deep

476
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: safety on the East team We'll get to. But they

477
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: had Jordan Halden back there, and then they had him

478
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: playing some boundary corner as well. So that was interesting.

479
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: That's that's a good versatility. That's a guy that it

480
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: seems like they were very interesting. So that was one

481
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Speaker 1: of the last reps of practice of team right, and

482
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell they didn't a couple times. I couldn't

483
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Speaker 1: tell if he was on a receiver, if they had

484
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: flexed the running backer. I remember who it was. That

485
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: was interesting because from the brief research that I did

486
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: on him before we got here, there was not a

487
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: ton of out there about him having any sort of

488
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: translation to outside corner. Right. It's not like he's I mean,

489
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: he's five eleven two or six. But that was as

490
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: good of a press rep as anybody's played in the

491
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: two practices that we saw this morning, so I was

492
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: really impressed with him. And we know what the Patriots.

493
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Speaker 1: If you can be that type of player, I mean,

494
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: how much did they play Kyle Dugger on the boundary

495
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: of this pass. If you can be a safety that

496
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: can play multiple spots and if a running backer, tight

497
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: end flexes out or something sort of matchup presents itself

498
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: where you end up out on the boundary, you're gonna

499
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: have to be able to do that in that system,

500
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: and he handled it really well defensively. Like you mentioned,

501
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: we're talking a lot about skill positions, you know, corners, safeties,

502
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: receivers on the offensive side of the ball, because these

503
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: are not fully padded practices, so it's kind of hard

504
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: to get into the line of scrimmage and really what's

505
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: going on. But we're gonna talk about a few guys

506
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: up front. The one guy that I thought really stood

507
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: out throughout West practice was Brenton consa Florida. Now. He

508
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: has a little bit of a checker background, and I

509
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: think that's what is so important about these types of

510
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: events is that teams can really get with these players

511
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: and see get some questions answered. Quite frankly about why

512
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: I think he left Georgia. Right, He was at Georgia originally,

513
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: then goes to Florida and he had some off field issues.

514
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: It just is what it is with a lot of

515
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: these guys. And his talent is absolutely obvious. So he's

516
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: a long rusher. I talked to him yesterday. He watches

517
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: a lot of Matthew Judean film and really loves Judean

518
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: and his style of rushing. You see some of that.

519
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: You know, he's a power, long arm bull rush that

520
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: the pocket type of guys got some speed as well

521
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: to offset that power move, and he was denting the

522
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: pocket consistently throughout practice today. Yeah, I mean, he's just

523
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: so powerful. The way he gets off the line, it

524
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: does look a little bit like Matthew jude On at times.

525
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: He's if alignment doesn't the offensive lineman doesn't get into

526
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: a perfect set, forget about it, he's gonna put him

527
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: on skates. So yeah, and he also just looks like

528
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: a specimen like just watching look, yeah, yeah, look looks

529
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: the part. It's gonna be like, the interviews are gonna

530
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: be big with him, That's ultimately what it's gonna be.

531
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Speaker 1: But he is. He's a one of the most talented

532
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: players here. He's a top five just raw football talent.

533
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: Yet this game right now, it reminds me a little

534
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: bit of Jack Jones last year. And I know that

535
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: it didn't particularly go great at the end of Jack

536
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: Jones's rookie year, but in general, the Patriots met with

537
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: Jack Jones what three or four times in the pre

538
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: draft process, including here at the Shrine Bowl. I know

539
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: they didn't coach him at the Shrine Bowl a year ago,

540
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: but I remember speaking to Eric Galco, the director of

541
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl, on our podcast Old Podcast, about how

542
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: much the Patriots met with Jack Jones here as well

543
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: in Vegas Macro, they had multiple meetings with him. So

544
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: if they like what they see from a guy like

545
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: Brenton Cox, I could see that going in a similar direction.

546
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: Anybody else on defense took out to you before we

547
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: move over. Yeah, so Modiabat didn't do much today as

548
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: a linebacker from Utah, but just talking to him yesterday,

549
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: he's like the mental makeup. He's such a Patriot. So

550
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: I asked him about you know, he's kind of smaller guys,

551
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: one of these smaller athletic linebackers six three to thirty,

552
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: and I sort of asked him about the the evolution

553
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: of the linebacker position, and he went into this whole

554
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: history of the linebacker position. He's talking about Jack Lambert, right,

555
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: and then he gets into the eighty six Bears, and

556
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: then I asked him about the Patriots. I was like,

557
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, did you study the Patriots defense at all?

558
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: And I asked a couple of guys that you know,

559
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: they'd say, josh U Jay, it's a guy they like

560
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: to watch. Some guys brought up, brought up High Towers.

561
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: Some guys even brought up Kyle van Noy. So I said,

562
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, pastor present? Are there any linebackers you like?

563
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: He's a present And he said he's a big out

564
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: check out, but he goes past. So I'm like, all right,

565
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: here comes High Tower. He goes Teddy Bruski and William

566
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: mc ginnis for both variant president. I'm like, whoa, I mean,

567
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: he's not even old enough to have watched those guys live,

568
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: uh not not not maybe like watch them, but not

569
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: like have that level of understanding. So these kids are

570
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: twenty two years old. You're right, Actually we're old. Jeez

571
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: away but and then so he's going to all that.

572
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: And then I asked him about transferring from Florida to Utah,

573
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: and he said something that he really liked about the

574
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Speaker 1: Utah program. A big reason was he knew he was

575
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: going to get the right coaching because he saw that

576
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: Utah always finished better than their recruiting classes. Right, And

577
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm paraphrasing here, but basically Utah is not recruiting

578
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: the highest level players, yet they're constantly finishing in the

579
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: high in the rankings, right, So clearly the coaches are

580
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: maximizing the player's ability. We got into his love of

581
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: like film. He's talking about how much he loves watching

582
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: film and he's learning all these new ways to incorporate

583
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: what he sees on film into his game. So again

584
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: didn't see like didn't pop a ton on the field today.

585
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look a little closer at him in tomorrow.

586
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: But if he goes into and I posted the interview

587
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: by the way on ninety eight five sports dot com

588
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: if people want to hear it, it's like eight minutes.

589
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: If he goes into that meeting room with the Patriots

590
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: and talks to them like he talked to me, yeah,

591
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: And I told him. I even said, I'm like, you

592
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: have to get into some of this football history with

593
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, like please talk to him about the eighties

594
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: Giants and Lawrence Taylor. If he goes into that room

595
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: and talk to him like he talked to me, they're

596
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: gonna love it. And we know that they're trying to

597
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: get that athletic middle linebacker they've tried the last couple

598
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: of years from Cameron mcgron who's obviously now gone. He

599
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: got signed off the practice squad to Mac Wilson ray

600
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Kuana McMillan, who both didn't really make that impact this

601
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: year and they're both now pending free agents. Diabat is

602
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: a guy on Day three that makes sense for where

603
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: they've kind of how they've invested in that position in

604
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: the past. Yeah, you talk about a guy that was

605
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: impressive too, just quickly an interviews that Bill Belichick pulled

606
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: to the side today and a special team is Joel

607
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: Tremaine Jones from Harvard. Yeah. That kid, whether it works

608
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: out with for him on the football field or not.

609
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: I think he told me that he's got three degrees

610
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: from Harvard can. I think what's interesting about him too

611
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: is I he's one of those like D line D

612
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: N edge hybrids that can play both in a two

613
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: point or a three point point. And what's interesting about

614
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: him is that at Harvard, as you know, Alex football

615
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: is not the priority, right, So the fact that he's

616
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: made it this far in football and is invited to

617
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: a game like the Shrine Bowl, and you got to

618
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: know that the Patriots absolutely are gonna love the IQ

619
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: on that kid. I mean, he he was. He was

620
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: like a statesman talking to him yesterday. So a couple

621
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: of really impressive people from interviews, offensively starting at receiver,

622
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: big name I think for a lot of people, Za

623
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: Flowers you mentioned earlier in the show. I didn't practice.

624
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: But another big name that you keep on telling me

625
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: about as well, Jake Bobo, who had some ups and

626
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: downs today. It wasn't perfect early on in practice, he

627
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: was a little bit spotty, but he started to come

628
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: on a little bit late. Yeah, he was a little

629
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: often one on ones. There's one play that was like

630
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: a guy like him six five to fifteen, You're looking

631
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: to make some contested catches and he got beat by

632
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: a smaller corner. But you really his value was in

633
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: the team drill because he's a guy I've compared to

634
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: sort of Jacoby Myers, where he's not necessarily like a

635
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: breakaway athlete, but he's going to get himself open in

636
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: one on ones. There's nowhere to hide. You're not finding

637
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: a hole in the zone. Right. Once they got in

638
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: a team, especially down in the red zone, he was

639
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: really good at just kind of getting away, figuring out,

640
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, at the top of the route, figuring out

641
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: how to get away from the corner, reading the coverage

642
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: in front of him, dissecting it, and making the move

643
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: off of that. The other interesting thing with him was

644
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: they had him returning punts, which didn't look like that

645
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: was really going to be a fit for him. I

646
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: don't see him as a punt returner. He returned ten

647
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: punts in five years in college between Duke and he

648
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: transferred from Duke to us UCLA started his past year.

649
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: That was an interesting one, but it tells me that

650
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: they want to like get him out there, right, They

651
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: want to see what he can do. So that's the

652
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: guy they want to further look at. The other interesting

653
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: thing with him is his quarterbacks here Dorian Thompson Robinson

654
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: from from UCLA, so you sort of saw that, you

655
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: know what he can do when he has the chemistry

656
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: with the quarterback. Again, just one of those layers that

657
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: the team drills him more favorable to him than one

658
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: on one because he's just gonna find a way to

659
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: hide and get open. Yeah, it's I thought his releases

660
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: were pretty good and that's something that at that size,

661
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: that's basically what you're looking for, is when they stacked

662
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: the corner and put himself in positions for the quarterback

663
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: to throw the football up. Well, guys that struggle that

664
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: are in that prototype are guys that can't get off

665
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage because then you never get the

666
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: cornerback on your back, and then you can't really then

667
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: go up and play above the rim from there if

668
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: you got are getting smothered at the line of scrimmage

669
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: and not getting off the line quick enough for the

670
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: quarterback to look your way. So he's somebody that I

671
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: thought was pretty good and the release, which I think

672
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: will help him use that. I think you measured in

673
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: actually a little bit smaller than expected. I think he

674
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: was like six three six four, Yeah, but he's still

675
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: a bigger guy. You saw some of the red zone right.

676
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: I think there's a red zone capability there as well. Definitely,

677
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,719
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't know, We're not gonna see him

678
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: in pads. He's like a borderline hybrid tight end to me. Yeah,

679
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: he's not quite LJ. Humphrey. You guys a little I

680
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: could see a little bit of that, yeah, Like like,

681
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: so the red zone is gonna be big for him

682
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: if he can be a factor in the red zone,

683
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: teams are gonna want to see that, Like, teams will

684
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: will look closely at that. So there's one offensive lineman

685
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: hang on Queen. A couple more receivers real quick of course.

686
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: Um so a couple other guys Jada Kiss Bonds from

687
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: Hampton catch of the day, great name and the catch

688
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: of the day working against it wasn't either the guys

689
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: we mentioned was one of the bigger corners. But Williams,

690
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: was it, Jalen Williams, Yeah, it was. You're right back

691
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: corner of the end zone. Fade goes up high points it.

692
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: He made a couple of other competitive catches as well.

693
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: He's a bigger guy six two and then a guy

694
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: I've been a big fan of Bryce Ford Wheat in

695
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: six three two twenty two. He got popped early in

696
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: practice by I can't remember his name as safety from Rutgers. Yeah,

697
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: but I mean he held onto the ball, which was

698
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: in president. He came back in and he went right

699
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: back over the middle, took another shot, held onto the

700
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: ball again and got right back up like he is.

701
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: I've said this for I don't know how much there

702
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: is outside of the physical elements of his game, but

703
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: you are not going to outbody Bryce Ford Wheat. You're

704
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: just not. And they had him running gunner on punts,

705
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: which is something he's very good at, so fun to

706
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: see him. Yeah, those are some standouts certainly. And then

707
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: also on the well we're on receivers on the punt routine.

708
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: Dallas Daniels. Dallas stands from Jackson State. It was another

709
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: guy that Belichick coached at another great name. When he

710
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: was pulled off the field after you could doing his

711
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: rap as a gunner. And I briefly spoke to Dallas

712
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: coming off the field and was it just said, Hey,

713
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: what did Coach Belichick say to you? And he went

714
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: into a pretty detailed answer what coach said to him.

715
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just like, oh, like you know, just

716
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: run a little bit more this way or something like that.

717
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: It was a pretty detailed synopsis of Coach Belichick talking

718
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: to him about getting over the top the gunner to

719
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: try to force the runner back inside to the middle

720
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: of the field. It was it was interesting and he

721
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: was like pumped about it. He was like, I was exciting. Yeah,

722
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: it was super cool for him, I think to have

723
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: that happened. So going to the offensive line, there was

724
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: there was one guy, wait, one more real quick tight

725
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: end Travis vocal X stood out in the red zone.

726
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: Is that the wake tight end Nebraska? Nebraska made a

727
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: couple of nice yeah, nice catches. Go ahead, we're doing

728
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: offensive line. We're doing offensive line now. Yeah, okay, we

729
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: still have a whole roster to get to, like right,

730
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: we gotta hurry this up a little bit. Yeah, offensive line.

731
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: Jackson Kirkland told both of us yesterday that he wanted

732
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: to come out and be violent. Well, he told me

733
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: he wanted to show coaches he's quote the most physical, dominant,

734
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: violent offensive lineman out there. So he was and again

735
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 1: not a padded setting, so this isn't full go, but

736
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: I thought that he was the best offensive lineman on

737
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: the field today for either team. Now he's playing guard,

738
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: which is a bummer beause we both really wanted to

739
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: see him played tackle. So a little background on Jackson Kirkland.

740
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 1: He went to a University of Washington. He was supposed

741
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: to come out early in twenty twenty one after being

742
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: an All Pro tackle, after being an All conference tackle. Yeah,

743
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: all conference, thank you, And he had an ankle injury,

744
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: a pretty bad ankle injury that required surgery. So he

745
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: decided to go back to you dub and not enter

746
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: the draft at that time. When he went back to

747
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: you dub, he got hurt again, but he played most

748
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: of the year, and about what ten games into the season,

749
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: they decided that it would be it was early. It

750
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: was early. Was it early? Okay? They decided it was

751
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: best to kick him inside. They had a really young

752
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: offensive line and I think it was the first year senter. Yeah,

753
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: they needed to help the center, and they just moved

754
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: the best kid inside. And he said he wanted to

755
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: do whatever was best for the team and eat Those

756
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: were the three things or two things I got from

757
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: He's like hardcore football junkie, like loves the physical element

758
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: of the game, and he's a total team player. Yeah,

759
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: so he was finishing blocks left and right. Mean they

760
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: were doing one on one style drills off to the

761
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: on the second field. Yeah, And I was watching him

762
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: a little bit and he got into it a little

763
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: bit with one of the defensive linemen on the West

764
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: team because he just pile drived him into the ground.

765
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: I think there's a video of it actually out there

766
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: for Football Network. I think might have put one out

767
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: and he just threw him into the ground and the

768
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: guy got up and wasn't too pleased with him for

769
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: doing it. But sometimes you see it. Remember Trevor Penning

770
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: last year at the Sea Bowl was like going over

771
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: the top of that. He was throwing guys around. But

772
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was Penning esque, Like, I didn't

773
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: think it was over the top. I thought it was

774
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: good finish and what you're looking for. He's got a

775
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 1: really I think he's got enough length in foot speed

776
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: to play tackle. But he's a wide body, you know,

777
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: He's just a wide type of frame. And those guys

778
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: typically when you see them, they look like guards, and

779
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: the league kind of thinks that they're guards. And he

780
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: had mentioned to me that the kick in side to

781
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: guard at Washington last year was partially because his coaches

782
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: were talking to a lot of scouts that were coming

783
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: through the program and said that they felt like he

784
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: was probably going to be a guard in the NFL,

785
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: so they figured, let's get him some guard tape in

786
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: college so that he can put it on film. So

787
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: I think that the Patriots at least teams, you know,

788
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: getting round here by the Shrine Bowl. I think that

789
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: not the Patriots are not the only ones making the

790
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: decisions of where they're playing. Guys right the Shrine Bowl

791
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: might come up to them and say, hey, let's try

792
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: this guy out at guard. Let's try this guy out

793
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: at tackle, because that's where the league wants to see him.

794
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: And I think the league wants to see Jackson Kirkland

795
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: at guard, which is a bummer for the Patriots, I

796
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: think to a degree because they need the help at tackle.

797
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: They don't really need the help at guard. But I

798
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: think he's one of those guys to me that can

799
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: that can probably play both, and if you're a good lineman,

800
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: you're a good lineman. The one other offensive lineman that

801
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: stood out to me was Dalton Wagner. He's just huge.

802
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: He's just so big. Yeah, looking at him in the huddle.

803
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: It's unreal. And you know, he's a projected late pick

804
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: and he's he even told me that he's kin. He

805
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: knows that his game needs a lot of refinement, and

806
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: he believes in his potential and that's what he's gonna

807
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: try to show teams this week, his potential. But I mean,

808
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: you see him like you can't not see him. You're

809
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: never Oh, where's Dalton Wagner, Like, you know, and a

810
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: guy that's that physically imposing, I don't know. I feel

811
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: like you just get him in the building, coach him up.

812
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: I love the upside of it. And it's every single

813
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: guy he's facing is just dwarfed by him. It's unreal. Okay,

814
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: you got one minute on your punter before I move

815
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: over to the East team. Give it to me. So

816
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: that's ironic. You're giving me a minute to talk about

817
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: Michael Turk, the punter from Oklahoma, because that's about how

818
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: long the football hangs in the air when he kicks it. No, seriously,

819
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: Evans saw my reaction when this, and we saw that

820
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: the punter from Wingate go first for the easy words, fine,

821
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: and then Michael Turk comes out and like I was like, Wow,

822
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: I was legitly blown away. Oh my god. Some all

823
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: the hang times are on my Twitter. But four seven

824
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: two for a one five two nine four nine four

825
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: four eight four. It's a knuckleball. It's hard to catch

826
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: good operation time like he's getting the ball off his

827
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: foot quick like, into the catching off quickly. He might

828
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: be a guy. We'll see what happens with Jake Bailey's contract,

829
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: But if they're in the need for a punter NFL

830
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: lineage to his uncle Matt Turk punch in the NFL

831
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: for years, he's an NFL punter, we'll see where. But

832
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: I have no doubt that he is going to be

833
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: punting on Sundays this fall. Absolutely. I even I was impressed,

834
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't you don't care. I don't

835
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: give two you know what's about punters when it comes

836
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: to this type of stuff. And even I was impressed

837
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: with the way that he was hitting the ball. I

838
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: heard Cam McCord was impressed too. He said a couple

839
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: of times, nice punt TERK, Nice punt TERK. That guy

840
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: can punt. And if the paids are walking away from

841
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: Jake Bailey, however, they could have to Jake Bailey's contract

842
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: to walk away from it. He's a guy that they're

843
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: going to get a long look at this week. He's

844
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: on their team out here at the Shrine Bowl, and

845
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked at all if he's the guy

846
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: that's brought in either as competition for Jake Bailey or

847
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: to take over for Jake Bailey eventually. So he was impressive. Now,

848
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: I always have reservations about punters in non live settings

849
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: because there's no real rush and Jake Bailey. We remember

850
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: how at Minicamp last spring how good Jack Bailey looked

851
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: without the real live rush going. So in the game

852
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: on Thursday night, it'll be interesting to see how he

853
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: punts in a live syll. Boy, he had the second

854
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: longest average punt distance for a career in college football

855
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: since two thousan forty seven point eight yards per punts.

856
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: So he's backed it up. Yeah you're not wrong, but yeah,

857
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: there's plenty of evidence to suggest he can continue doing

858
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: it in classic catch twenty two fashion. We said we

859
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: were going to make this podcast forty five minutes, where

860
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: forty three minutes in and we haven't even gotten to

861
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: the East team. I think we don't. There's less guys

862
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: on the East team we're gonna talk about. So you

863
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: want to start off with the Wake Forest guys, go

864
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: down the roster here, I want to start off with

865
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: I thought that at Perry was, if not my favorite

866
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: player to watch. You were excited he's up there for me,

867
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: hammer Nick Jones. I think At Perry took it, took

868
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: the crown for me today. That's gonna be a fun

869
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: one on one on Thursday, though, because I think the

870
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: biggest thing to me for in a game like this

871
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: is I want to see like it's not too much

872
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: the result, right, It's like, does this guy look like

873
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: he belongs on an NFL field? And I really thought

874
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: that At Perry was a wide receiver from Wake Forrest.

875
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: He's a big bodied X right, He's a six foot

876
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: four X receiver on the outside list at six three,

877
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: but he's he's fast like he's not. He's not one

878
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: of these slower receivers. He's deceptively fast because of how

879
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: big he like you on in the practice, I think

880
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: it was a one on one. He beat the defensive

881
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: back of the line of scrimmage and just a glad

882
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: right past him in the quarterback. Unfortunately, overthrew it. But well,

883
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: that's the thing. He doesn't look like he's running that fast,

884
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: and then you see him running away from the corner

885
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: and you're like, wow, yeah, he has that ability to

886
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: stretch the field vertically. He obviously has the contested catch

887
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: and the large catch radius due to his frame. But

888
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't look at him and see because he is

889
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. He is a little bit. He's not

890
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: like big, you know what I mean. He's a little

891
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: bit more linear of an athlete, and because of that,

892
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: I I think that he moves faster than maybe a guy.

893
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: You know, I'll always hate to throw Nikkil under the

894
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: bus all the time, but like Nikkil, Harry was a

895
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: big dude, you know, he was right, he's huge guy.

896
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: This is more of a of a slender, big bodied receiver,

897
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: if that makes any sense whatsoever. Is sort of he's

898
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: not as small as Taikwon, but sort of like Tai

899
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: Kwon where he's tall, right, but he's not like built. Yeah,

900
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: he's a little bit bigger than Taekwon in the lower half,

901
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: I would say, But yeah, in general, looked really really good.

902
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: They were running Arthur Smith's system, you know, the outside

903
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: zone with the bootlegs and all the whole nine yards

904
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: at the Falcons run, he beat the defense coming across

905
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: the field on an over route on like a crosser

906
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: off of play action that he had a couple of

907
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: nice vertical routes as well, So I thought he was

908
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: really impressive. And since the day Flowers didn't end up practicing,

909
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean he was the best receiver I saw out

910
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: there today. Yeah, I would agree with that. And then

911
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: his teammate Blake Whiteheart, also from Wake Forest. I just

912
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: you know, I was watching the tight ends go through

913
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: a drill and they're all sort of going through whatever's

914
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: early in practice, and then Blake Whiteheart comes out as

915
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: a block and drills puts the guy holding the pad

916
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: on his ass. Big time motor guy. Looked technically sound.

917
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he was like the best athlete out there,

918
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: but if you're looking for developmental tight end on day three,

919
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: I liked what I saw from him. Yeah. Absolutely. A

920
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: couple of others standouts. I was really looking forward to

921
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: seeing McKay gardner from LSU and I didn't. I don't

922
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: think he's disappointed, right, I thought he played really well

923
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: out there today. A couple of things I thought were

924
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: noticeable about him. Obviously, the physicality at the catch point

925
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: and that ability is something that stands out about his

926
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: game in general. But he had a couple of plays

927
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: where he really read the route very nicely from off

928
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: man so he's in off coverage, you know, has that cushion,

929
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: and he was really able to kind of break down

930
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: and pedal at the top and get out of his

931
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: his you know, back pedal and transition pretty smoothly, which

932
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: I thought was good to see from him. Whenever I

933
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: look at LSU, you know, Florida, those types of guys

934
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: are out here, and then they passed the eye test,

935
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: you know that they were probably big time recruits. Now,

936
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: Gardner was only a three star coming out, but he

937
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: ended up going to LSU, so you know that that's

938
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: a program that recruits higher and athletes, and he's somebody

939
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: that really stood out to me as well. And there

940
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: was a couple of matchups between him and at Perry.

941
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: But I'm hoping tomorrow and in the next couple of

942
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: days we see that a little bit more. I think

943
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: as things start to declare, you'll start to see the

944
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: Falcons and the Patriots stabs getting some input from some

945
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: of the scouts that are here and are like, hey,

946
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: let's let's put a T and Gardner next to it,

947
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, ye each other a couple of times, because

948
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: we know those two guys are probably gonna be fighting,

949
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: at least fighting for an NFL roster spot, but probably

950
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: onto the l roster next year. Yeah, I'd agree with that.

951
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: I'll give you a couple other guys from defense. Dante

952
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: Stills defensive tack from West Virginia, pass rush defensive tackle,

953
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: like he's not a three down player, but one of

954
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: those interior pressure guys. He got in the backfield a lot.

955
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: Morrow Ojomo from Texas another guy, defensive tackle. I was

956
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: really impressed with Yasi Abdullah, outside linebacker from Louisville. Just

957
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: great motor flying around the field. It's not a non

958
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: contact contact practice. He lit guys up a few times,

959
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: so that stands out. Ben Van Summerin from Michigan State

960
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: was the middle linebacker for the East team. It seems

961
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: like they gave him a lot of coverage like he

962
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: was he was the quarterback of the defense. He really was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

963
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: I noticed he was very vocal. He's very He's pointed guys,

964
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: Hey go here, Hey, watch this. Sometimes when you see

965
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: guys like that in a in an All Star game

966
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: like this, you're like, the teammates actually like that, you

967
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like sometimes he can be sort

968
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: of a hard oh, but the coaches like it. I

969
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: don't think this guy was either. I think this guy

970
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: had had a nice leadership about him at that position,

971
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: which is obviously important. He also, I mean a small

972
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 1: thing his footwork approaching the ball I thought was excellent.

973
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: He'd like he definitely thinks about just there's no wasted motion.

974
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, I'm gonna do. Everything has a

975
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: purpose with him. So you know again that that athletic

976
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: middle linebacker. He's smaller six one two thirty seven. But

977
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: um and then on the back end you mentioned Umu

978
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: Gardner already just a couple of others your various owens.

979
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: I said earlier that that deep safe, right, he is

980
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: one of the few guys in this class. It's a

981
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: true deep safety. I thought he looked good today. You

982
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: liked aj Finley from Old Miss. Yeah, it was the

983
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: other guy. He was one of the more explosive athletes

984
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: on the field for the East team. Again, I think

985
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: that that's a big thing for me in these practices

986
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: is just seeing how these guys move right and being

987
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: able to see them up close and in with my

988
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: own eyes in person, I think is a big difference

989
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: than watching them on film sometimes and you can really

990
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: see the explosiveness. And I thought Finley was an explosive

991
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: mover in some way that could cover a lot of

992
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: ground back there. I guess we should also shout out

993
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: Anthony Orgy from org O r J. I. Let's let's

994
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: let's call it the other one, all right, whatever it is,

995
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: O r J. I. I'll I think we're talking today.

996
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: I'll get the connotation. You had the only turn over

997
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: the day, made a nice play to pick off a

998
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: pass over the middle. Yet from from Vanderbilt. So Vandy kid,

999
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: I feel like we should give him the shout out

1000
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: he had got he had the only turnover, so deserves

1001
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: credit for that. It was a quarterback on the East team, quarterback,

1002
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: I believe so yeah, because the the UCLA quarterback had

1003
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: a few nice Dorian Thompson Robinson had some nice throws.

1004
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: I thought. Chase Bryce, we kind of talked about it

1005
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: with the kids from Michigan State. From app State, Chase Bryce,

1006
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: you could tell like he's a quarterback, he's a leader.

1007
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: Guys are listening to him. Robinson too. Yeah, um, I

1008
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: thought the UCLA quarterback finished strong. He did? Yeah on

1009
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: the East team? Was it Tanner Morgan or Aidan O'Connell, Perduer,

1010
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: Minnesota Perdue? Okay? Yeah, yeah, Yeah. He just is one

1011
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: of those guys that has a lot of the physical

1012
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: intangibles that the physical tools I should say that teams

1013
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: are gonna like as a thrower. I don't know about

1014
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: mobility wise, he was already making in a system like

1015
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith that's very timing base. Yeah, he was already

1016
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: making some timing throws over the middle of the field

1017
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: and one day of practices that I think would be

1018
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: difficult for a lot of other quarterbacks that maybe maybe

1019
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: that's sy similars I haven't made. I haven't watched a

1020
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: ton of pretty often you're going to you're gonna watch

1021
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: Charlie Jones maybe offense that runs a lot of that

1022
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: type of stuff. So he felt comfortable doing it. I

1023
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: don't know for a fact, but it just looked like

1024
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: hitting the ball was coming out on time with him

1025
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: and he was able to get it. But I like

1026
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: the UCLA quarterback and he can run a little bit.

1027
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: He can run. He's a five year starter. He's really smart,

1028
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: like understands the game very well. He's very well spoken

1029
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: after practice. Yeah, Chip Kelly guy, he's you know the

1030
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: Patriots going back to twenty eighteen, this was the draft

1031
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: pick was Danny Ettling. But from Danny Ettling to Jamar

1032
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: Smith to Eric King's sort of different because he was

1033
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 1: like a hybrid receiver. But like these multi years starting

1034
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who have some mobility, there's value. You know, very smart,

1035
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: high football IQ. There's values to having guys like that,

1036
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: even if you don't think they're gonna play right, having

1037
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: that guy on the scout team, things like that, if

1038
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: they're gonna go that route this year, Dorian Thompson Robinson

1039
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,240
Speaker 1: makes so much sense, and he's probably gonna go on drafted.

1040
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: Maybe he sneaks in late if he impresses a team

1041
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: in interviews, but I think the Patriots are gonna be

1042
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: impressed with him. We also didn't talk about the two

1043
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: way guys. I think we close on that. I want

1044
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 1: to close Derek Parrish and Jack Coletto. Yeah, let's do that, Okay.

1045
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: Then I want to each give a winner of the day. Okay,

1046
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: but go with that first. Well, I mean, everybody knows

1047
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: where I'm at. I think Coletto is really at Parish

1048
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: is just I mean, he's a football guy. He's got

1049
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: the jersey rolled up and he's hitting everybody and he's

1050
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: running all over the field. You were not impressed. I didn't.

1051
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: So Coleto is interesting because he told both of us

1052
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: yesterday he played fullback, defensive end, linebacker, in quarterback, a

1053
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: little bit of quarterback at Oregon State, and he told

1054
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: both of us yesterday kind of he looks at Kyle

1055
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: us Check in Taysom Hill as guys he wants to

1056
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: model his game after. So I you know, he said

1057
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: he wants to play some tight end, and I was

1058
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: wondering how natural he was going to look as a receiver.

1059
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: He he worked almost exclusively with the offense today. Parrish

1060
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: got a little work in with the defense. Coletto was

1061
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: almost exclusive of the offense. But he looked very natural,

1062
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: especially for a guy that hasn't done a lot of that.

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00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: He looked very natural catching the football. So that stood

1064
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: out to me. They're probably the best run of the

1065
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: day on the West team was just a lead play

1066
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: with him leading through the hall Kaletta and I still

1067
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: think that there's a place in the Patriots organization for

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00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: a fullback I do well, especially if he can catch

1069
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: the football and because of that move guy. And I

1070
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: thought what was interesting when I was talking to him yesterday.

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00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: We're talking about because he played some linebackers offball linebacker

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00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: and he played fullback, and I was talking to him

1073
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: about being in the mirror kind of against himself in

1074
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: those situations, and he was mentioning how playing linebacker and

1075
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: then playing fullback helps him both ways because he's able

1076
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: to understand the movement right, you know, and understand the

1077
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: way that these guys are going to flow to the

1078
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: footballs for right. And so he's really, I think an

1079
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: interesting player. He won the Hornig Award. Marcus Jones won

1080
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: the Hornig Award last year. Boden's won it. So the

1081
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: Patrons have a couple of them on their roster already,

1082
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: and that if they're gonna bring back the fullback, I

1083
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: think this kid can do it. And they're gonna get

1084
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: a long look at him this week, so I could

1085
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: definitely see it, maybe a seventh round pick U DFA.

1086
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go higher in that. You think

1087
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna get drafted higher day three, but like he's

1088
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: gonna be in that. He could go top one fifty.

1089
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: So they have a bunch of six round picks, so

1090
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: maybe maybe they use one of their sixth on somebody

1091
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: like that, or pair two. They have eleven picks. They're

1092
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: not gonna make them all. Pair two of those up

1093
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: move into the early part of the fifth. Take him there. Yeah,

1094
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: he's an interesting player, all right, winner of the day,

1095
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: Who's your winner? I allowed to say Michael Turkey's gonna

1096
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: send me. You can say whoever you want. Michael Turk

1097
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: was very good, but my winner of the day was

1098
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: was um um Miles Brooks. Yeah. He to talk to

1099
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: him yesterday. Get an understanding of how confident he is

1100
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: and how he sees himself as a small school I

1101
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: who's here, who's not expected to do much? And then

1102
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: come out and play the way he played. Um. I

1103
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: remember thinking walking away from him, like, man, if he

1104
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: can back up the way he talks with the way

1105
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: he plays, he's gonna be in the NFL for ten years.

1106
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: And look it's just one day of a non padded practice.

1107
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: But heat he played the way he talked. So I

1108
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: was very impressed with him. Um, yeah, so him, but

1109
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 1: also Michael Turk was unreal. I'm gonna pull an Alex

1110
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: Barth on this. Oh you can do too, I'm too.

1111
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: You do offense defense, gono. I was thinking about doing that,

1112
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm not doing offensive defense. I'm going

1113
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: a little outside the box East West, I'm going a

1114
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: little outside the box here in classic Alex Barth fashion.

1115
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna name one of the coaches. The winner of

1116
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: the day is the New England Patriots. Ah, I like it.

1117
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,479
Speaker 1: I like it of the day and they're here to win, Evan.

1118
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: They are here to win. Is the New England Patriots.

1119
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: Because what I saw today at a Bill O'Brien got

1120
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: me excited. Love it. I'm excited. Is here other winner?

1121
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm excited. He is my winner of the day because

1122
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: this is an offensive coach that is here to coach, offense, lead,

1123
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: and like here to to do this at a high level.

1124
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: Yeah right, And he's not messing around. He's been They

1125
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: gave him a contract two days ago and he's already

1126
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: out here and he's already hands on in the middle

1127
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: of the huddle. Like, this is what I want. And

1128
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 1: he's already even his players yet, right, these are guys

1129
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: that are just showcasing things for the draft. And Bill

1130
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: O'Brien is out there looking spectacular with with some nikes.

1131
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: You see the nikes he had on to some interesting

1132
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 1: fashion accessories today. I just felt like when I watched

1133
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: him coach and and and seeing him how quickly the energy,

1134
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: it reminds you a little bit of Bill the other

1135
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: Bill the older right where you just see this bravado

1136
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: and this energy of like just confidence there. Yeah, and

1137
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: he just loves football. Yeah, football guy. He doesn't even

1138
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: know if any of these guys are gonna matter to him.

1139
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: And you know next week right when the thing about

1140
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: coaching a game like this, I talked to a guy

1141
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: I know who's coached like high school football all star

1142
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: games right for kids going to the college level, and

1143
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: he said part of the way he viewed it was, yeah,

1144
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: some of those guys might not play for me, might

1145
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: never meet them again, but he's trying to help the

1146
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: game of football improved because these are the like next up.

1147
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: And if they're better, the games better, and if the

1148
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: game's better, it helps all of us. It helps the players,

1149
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: helps the coaches, it helps the media, it helps the fans,

1150
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: and I would be a surprise if Bill O'Brien is

1151
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: a similar approach. He's just here trying to make football

1152
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: a better sport. I was excited afterday. My real winner.

1153
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to a pasa. I'm gonna give it

1154
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: to him. I just want I think he's one of

1155
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: the better players here, especially the better players practicing, just

1156
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: in terms of like the consensus rankings and stuff like that.

1157
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: They passed the eye test for me. I don't know

1158
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: if the Patriots are going to be in the market

1159
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: for that exact type of receiver, but if they were

1160
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: to take him in you know, third fourth round something

1161
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: like that, I'd be okay with it. You picked a big,

1162
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: speedy receiver in a nonpadded practice and I picked a punter.

1163
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: Five years of doing this and some things just don't change.

1164
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: Some things don't change where where we are who we are.

1165
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: So Alex and I will be back tomorrow and we

1166
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: will have the same style recap of practice. We probably

1167
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: won't spend twenty minutes on the coaching since we know

1168
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: we'll get we'll get right out into the players. But

1169
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna be here all week with the team through

1170
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: Tuesday's practice, so we have three more of these to

1171
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: come your way with prospect breakdowns and who stood out

1172
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: and all these types of things. And Alex is writing

1173
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: on ninety five the Sports Up dot com um obviously

1174
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 1: on Patriots dot com notebooks. Other takeaways coming here from

1175
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: Patriots West, Patriots West, so the West team and where

1176
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: Patriots West at the Shrine Bowl. But until tomorrow, signing

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00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: off four Alex Arth, I'm Evan Lazar. Thanks so much

1178
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: for listening, and we will feedback tomorrow with another recap

1179
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: of day two here at the Triple. Thank you for

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