1 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 3: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 3: our careers and our families. 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun, 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: from figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life. 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: This episode is airing in mid July of twenty twenty four. 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: We're going to be doing an all mail bag episode, 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: and as we've done with some previous mail bag episodes, 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: Sarah and I are actually sitting here right together, this 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: time in my office in a suburb outside of Philadelphia. 17 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: So welcome to the Philadelphia Regions. Thank you so much. 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: I love coming here. 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: And this time I was super excited to maybe get 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: a break from the heat, and then I got none. 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. So it is ninety four degrees today and very humid. 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: I went outside this morning thinking I'd have a nice, 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: pleasant cup of coffee with the cool era in the morning. 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: And I was quickly dispused of that notion. It was 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: like already eighty plus degrees and like ninety percent humidity, 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 2: So I'm sorry. 27 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: What could I say? 28 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: It was no worse than I'm used to, so that's good. 29 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: We went running this morning along the Schoogle, and I 30 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 3: think a lot of the natives were unhappy, and we 31 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: were like, this is business as usual. 32 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: Yes, this is nothing unusual for us. 33 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: A train for a marathon in this sort of weather, 34 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: I guess. But yeah, you so you're visiting your parents 35 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: as you often do for the Fourth of July and 36 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 2: any sort of festivities you guys did while here. 37 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: So yes, this is our third consecutive visit during this 38 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: time of year. The first though, where Josh came along 39 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: with us. I think he was on call. The last two. 40 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: We went to the zoo yesterday and that was pretty 41 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: much it. We spent a lot of time hanging out 42 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: with my knees. She's super cute, the age where she 43 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: can really play with everyone. We just like destroyed all 44 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: the toys in her face. I mean not destroyed. We 45 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: made a mess in her basement. 46 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: It was great. 47 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, mostly just kind of hanging out. Short trip, but fun. 48 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 49 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and currently our husbands are entertaining our children 50 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: in my pool and hopefully that is going well. 51 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: There were I have to say, I had put away 52 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: the water guns in. 53 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: The storage area, thinking maybe it was a lot of 54 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: kids in the pool, maybe the water guns would have 55 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: added to the chaos, and then they were immediately found. 56 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: My kid went in to find something else and all 57 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: of a sudden, out they came. 58 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: So here we are. 59 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: I think they're going to have a great time, and 60 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: we are going to make this episode as long as 61 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: we can. 62 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: Just getting avoiding the pool and all that is associated 63 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: with it right now. I mean, it's a good day 64 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: for the pool, but it's also also good day to 65 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: not be in the pool. 66 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: So all right, So we're doing a mailbag. These are 67 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: questions and send it and by listeners. 68 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: As always, if you have a question that you would 69 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: like to send in, feel free to email it to 70 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: me Laura and Laura Vanderkam dot com. You can post 71 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: it on either of our blogs. We got some questions 72 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: as well from our Patreon community, which we'd love to 73 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: how people join, but we will go ahead and. 74 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: Dive right in. 75 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: So first question, how much time do you spend on 76 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: the pod in a given week, and that means outlining, recording, 77 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: coordinating with guests, your Patreon community, et cetera. 78 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: So, Sarah, what about you. It's hard to calculate. 79 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: If I had a time log, I could probably answer 80 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: this more accurately, because it really does vary a lot 81 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: from week to week. Some weeks are pretty heavy where 82 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: we might spend I might spend a couple hours like 83 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: drafting episodes, and then we're recording that same week, so 84 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: we're spending a couple of hours recording. Then there's like 85 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: the post recording kind of processing stuff, and then there's Patreon. 86 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna guess it maybe averages to two to 87 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: three hours per week. Yeah, probably with the Patreon probably 88 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: about three. 89 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of the Patreon community time. It's more like, 90 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: you know, you're just on an Internet forum and it's 91 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: kind of fun to do. Like it's another social media 92 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: type thing that's not as terrible as some social media 93 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: and so as being a closed community, it's kind of 94 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 2: more fun. So it's the sort of thing that I 95 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: feel like I might be participating in any way, even 96 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: if I weren't doing it as part of our podcast. 97 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'd say three hours is about it. I 98 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 2: fun fact, I don't really break stuff out on my 99 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: time logs like categories of work. Sometimes I do, but 100 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 2: it's not comprehensive, like I might just say what I 101 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: was doing, but I have I tend not to really 102 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 2: add it up by different categories. But yeah, an episode 103 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: tends to take about an hour between recording and the 104 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: sort of starting and ending stuff around it. The notes 105 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: for an episode can take about an hour, but we 106 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: trade off on those ads take some time. Patreon takes 107 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 2: some time, but given that it's one episode a week, 108 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: you know. 109 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: And then there's this sort of organic back and forth 110 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: when we come across a good idea, like I'll just 111 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: text Laura, ooh that seems cool, or we'll get a 112 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 3: pitch on email and we kind of send that back 113 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: and forth, and that's sort of just in the background 114 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: a lot, but it's it's generally fun. 115 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, I say, I'm not like adding up all 116 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: the time I've spent texting with Era, and then like, 117 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: you know what, I separate out what is me showing 118 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 2: her my funny Fourth of July outfit versus what should 119 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 2: we do about this guest? Yeah? 120 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then ad recording is another. The ad recording's 121 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: funny because that's probably one of the least flexible aspects 122 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: of it, because sometimes you do have a more specific deadline, 123 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: so that can be harder to plan around than some 124 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: of the other stuff. 125 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: But we get it done. Yeah, we get it done. 126 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 2: And so then there's a follow up question of how 127 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: best of both world is structured and how we decide 128 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 2: who will do what tasks, what percent of the overall work. 129 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: Has that changed over the years as Sarah's career has evolved. 130 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 2: How do we split revenue? I mean the revenue is 131 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 2: fifty to fifty. That's pretty straightforward answer. It's just pretty simple. 132 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: We split anything we make down the middle. We do 133 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: have like kind of our own tasks that we generally do, 134 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: like when we record afterwards, I like put the notes 135 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: up and I put everything on this app that we 136 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 2: use to communicate with our sound team. If it's a computery, 137 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm more doing it. If it's like 138 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 2: business y, Laura's doing all of it. 139 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: And Laura does the blog post every week on her 140 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: website and definitely does about two thirds of the Patreon. 141 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 3: Although I keep trying to like I need to increase 142 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: my Patreon. I'm working on it. 143 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: I love it. 144 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: I love doing it, and I tend to do it 145 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: on Thursdays and then yeah, but you have so much 146 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 3: to say, You're like Monday, Tuesday, and then sometimes there's 147 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: something on Wednesday. 148 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, where is this all coming from? This 149 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: font of discs? Points? Yeah. 150 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: Now, and as for who does what on different things, 151 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: like with guests, it tends to be either who found 152 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: the person who is interested in the topic, if somebody 153 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: hasn't done one lately, so because sometimes that happens that 154 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: somebody's done three in a row, and then we try 155 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: to trade it off because we're trying to roughly keep 156 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: it equal with that. Yeah, I would say it's more 157 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: like who's interested in the topic or person. 158 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean, not that the other person isn't interested. 159 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: If somebody's like, wait a minute, why did you interview 160 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: that person? 161 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: Then I tend to take the doctors because it's like, oh, 162 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: I think I'll be able to think of kind of 163 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 3: backstage things to ask them that are fun, and I 164 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: feel like you take more of the writers. 165 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably do more of those, but yeah, there's 166 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: no rule to it. We're very flexible and back and 167 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: forth on a lot of different things. All right, So 168 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: this question is that this person is always impressed by 169 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: the amount of writing and ideas that both of us 170 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: produce weekly in the form of blogging, newsletters, podcast topics. 171 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: Both of us have two podcasts. 172 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: She says, I'd really be interested in you talking doing 173 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: some sort of dive into how you manage to come 174 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: up with your ideas and execute on them. So, Sarah, 175 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: maybe you can talk through between blog best laid plans, 176 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: like where's it coming from? 177 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no system. You have no system. Okay, 178 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: that was our answer, all right. 179 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: No, I mean if I have an episode, do somehow. 180 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 3: I generally am able to come up with something. Sometimes 181 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: write when I need to. I mean I do write 182 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: out when I'm going to say for both podcasts. So 183 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: it's not like I'm talking off the coff into a 184 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 3: mic and haven't prepared. But I will say there is 185 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: something too knowing you are recording on a given day 186 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 3: and need to come up with notes to make the 187 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: ideas flow. I think that our listeners come up with 188 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: awesome ideas. So we're always getting things from the Patreon, 189 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: from our blogs, from comments or I have some friends 190 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 3: that tend to listen to the podcast, and we'll text 191 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: me suggestions and I do so that two and sometimes 192 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: we just text kind of back and forth. Plus when 193 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: we go on vacation, like little not vacations, our little 194 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: work trips, we tend to like brainstorm a whole bunch 195 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: of things at once, and then we can kind of 196 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 3: use that treasure trove for a little while. 197 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've definitely gotten better at it, I would say, 198 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 2: as we're coming up on seven years of doing the podcast, 199 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: like the first time, you know, when we started off, 200 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: we'd be like, let's do an episode on childcare. 201 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: We're like, okay, we'll do an episode on childcare. 202 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: And then we realized, like a couple of years in, 203 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: like that is not a topic that is like a 204 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: bad Yeah, No, that's just like, I mean, it's a topic, 205 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: but it's not an angle, like you need some sort 206 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: of angle that makes it more interesting. Whereas like this, 207 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, we did one that was 208 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: like summer Challenges, and then there were like four b challenges, right, 209 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: I mean, that's more of a podcast episode title. And 210 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: so we've gotten better about thinking of what would truly 211 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: be a compelling podcast. I think in the course of 212 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: seven years of doing this, the guests, a lot of 213 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: people write to us and say they'd like to be 214 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: on the show, and we're always happy to have those. 215 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: I mean, we're definitely interested in real people. Again, if 216 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 2: there's some sort of interesting, counterintuitive, offbeat angle to what 217 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: you're talking about that is a particularly compelling story for us. 218 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: We always like that we. 219 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: Look ahead and see who has books coming out or 220 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: a podcast that might want to do some sort of 221 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: swap with us. Those are how we get those kind 222 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: of guests, just looking forward with those And. 223 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 3: To be clear, we don't take every pitch be yet 224 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: Lars like, they're always happy to I mean, we are 225 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: always happy to. 226 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: Look at them. 227 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 3: And actually sometimes we'll see something and then later on 228 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 3: think of, oh wait, what about that person, So that 229 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: definitely happens, and then there are plenty of things that 230 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 3: were like this is great, but we've had very similar 231 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: things on it already, so we'll think of something else. 232 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, And also just like reading a lot, 233 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: like if you're walking around the universe and reading things 234 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 2: or reading other blogs or reading people's posts on stuff, 235 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: or seeing what people get excited about or what's a 236 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: problem in your life. Those are all ideas, and I 237 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: just keep lists. I keep running lists. That's how I, yeah, 238 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: come up with stuff like that other podcasts too. I 239 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: definitely sometimes riff off of or something like One of 240 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: the most potent things is if you disagree with something, yeah, 241 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 2: and you find the passion coming out because somebody's saying 242 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: something there like wait a second, I have my own 243 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: take on that. Then that is a natural title and 244 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: topic for your own podcast. I feel like I do 245 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: that a lot on Best Laid Plans, maybe less on here, 246 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: but sometimes we do that. 247 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: Sometimes we do that too. 248 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: But you organize everything and like in what format, well 249 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 3: do you'll come out with I come out with a 250 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: lot of content. 251 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 1: You come out with even more content, So best of 252 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: both worlds. 253 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: I have a running spreadsheet that is the official schedule, 254 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: and I try to have that done at least a 255 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 2: couple weeks ahead of time, with different topics that I 256 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: have come up with that I think would be an 257 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 2: interesting angle. Same thing I mean with vander Hacks, I'm 258 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: about a week and a half ahead. That's my substack newsletter. 259 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: You know. 260 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: I just brainstorm ideas when I am planning my upcoming week. 261 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: I'm often sitting there writing ideas, and if I have 262 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: more than five, then I can push stuff forward to 263 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: the next week if I think they're all usable. 264 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: But I don't know. 265 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: I feel like ideas come they helped generate themselves. Like 266 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: if you think of like I always need to be 267 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: coming up with ideas, then you start coming up with 268 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: more ideas because your brain is just in that mode. 269 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: It's open that first spreadsheet you mentioned you meant before breakfast, right, Yes, 270 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I was like, is there a secret, secret 271 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: spreadsheet that I didn't tell sir about? There needs to 272 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: be more of a slow spreadsheet for our upcoming episodes. 273 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: I do have a low sort of spreadsheet in Apple notes. 274 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 2: I wouldn't totally call it a spreadsheet, but okay, I'm 275 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: sorry I misspoke, but yes, the best of both worlds. 276 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: There should be one too. All right, Well, we're going 277 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: to take a quick ad break and we'll be back 278 00:12:51,840 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: with more of our mailbag. Well we are back. 279 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 2: We are talking all things mail bag here. We've got 280 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: a lot of listener questions that came to us. So 281 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: this next one, what travel destinations do you hope to visit? 282 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 2: In the next one to two years. Well, so that's 283 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: kind of an interesting quite one to two years because 284 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: I bet one year is mostly set for you or. 285 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we should answer this question, but I 286 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 3: think we should also answer longer term, and we should 287 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 3: tell listeners how we like track these ideas. 288 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's a fun thing to talk about. 289 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: All right, how about you next year? 290 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: Okay, next year? Actually, I haven't totally decided for next year. 291 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: I think we're going to do some kind of ski trip, 292 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: but maybe Pocono East Coast, which we haven't done something 293 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: like that. The variable is we need to make sure 294 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: there is really good ski instruction for Genevieve in particular, 295 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 3: because without that, I don't think it would be that 296 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 3: fun of a trip. And then we do want to 297 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: do our first European family trip next summer, so we've 298 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: actually started talking about destinations. Josh is really big on 299 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 3: Denmark fun, which I think would be yeah, really fun. 300 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: And again, as always, we're like, where is it cool? Yeah, 301 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 3: because we want to leave the heat. So I've also 302 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 3: had the fun idea of maybe taking Iceland air so 303 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 3: we can do like a prolonged lay over in Iceland 304 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: and they do actually fly to Denmark. It looks like 305 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 3: as well, so we'll see if that ends up being 306 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 3: our summer and then you guys have a cruise, Well 307 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: this is summer twenty twenty five. Yeah, I'm getting way ahead, 308 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: like cause it's that's a whole year. And yeah, we 309 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 3: have a cruise in spring of twenty twenty five. Yeah, 310 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: but that's just like a chill friend trip. That's like 311 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: we're going nowhere. We're going to like Disney Islands. 312 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's not that far for you guys. 313 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: It's like it's like being in a boat down the 314 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: school kill for us. 315 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: Like literally we leave out of Fort Lauderdale and then 316 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 3: we go to like the two private islands, which are 317 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: probably like a couple I mean, it's not it's more 318 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: of an extended friend plateing with beaches, with beaches and. 319 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: A boat, a very big boat, guys. Next one to two. 320 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: Years, all right, so we are figuring out Christmas and 321 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: spring break for the next year. It's possible there will 322 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: be Hawaii and Costa Rica are the two destinations that 323 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: are currently the front runners for those. There is a 324 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: good chance that Jasper and I will be going to 325 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: France in June of twenty twenty five, because that is 326 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: a choir tour that we. 327 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: Will be going on together, So that would be fun. 328 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: That is so fun. Yeah, I love that, Oh my gosh. Yeah. 329 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: But looking forward from that, we have a couple things 330 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: that are on the list. I definitely want to go 331 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: to Japan with Sam because that is something he has 332 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: been interested in for a long time, and so I 333 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: think we will do that before he leaves the house. 334 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: I personally want to go to Germany and do a 335 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: bach tour, go to Leipzig and the other places around there. 336 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: Maybe I'd do that over I mean it might be, 337 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: you know, Europe's better in the spring and summer. But 338 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: on the other hand, I want to do the Christmas markets. 339 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: Like It's sort of a long story, but we went 340 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: to Germany in winter of two thousand and eight to 341 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: sort of two thousand and nine, like around Christmas then, 342 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: and I wanted to go to the Christmas markets, and 343 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: we kept spending too long at places and not leaving 344 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: in time into the markets would be closed, like when 345 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: I when we got to the town where they would be, 346 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: and so I wouldn't really get to go to them. 347 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: So I would like to rectify that, and maybe that 348 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: involves traveling by myself so that my plans can't get 349 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: derailed by people staying too long at other sites. You 350 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: could spend hours. 351 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: I could spend hours at the Christmas and Christmas Martha. 352 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: It might be a trip by myself or maybe a 353 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: friend who also likes these things. I probably will not 354 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: be other members of my family, let me just put 355 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: it that way. 356 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: Probably some good beer too, that's true. The beer. 357 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: Leave everyone else at the pub and I go do 358 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: the Christmas markets. 359 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 360 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, those are a couple of ideas that 361 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: I want to do. The National Parks in Utah. 362 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've seen photos of those and they look amazing. 363 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: They look amazed. 364 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 3: The rock formations that are just wild, and you. 365 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 2: Can hit a couple, like if you were there for 366 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 2: like two weeks, I think you could hit several of 367 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: them if you timed it right and got your reservations done. 368 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 2: You'd probably have to plan this like a year out 369 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: in order to make that work, But if you wanted 370 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 2: to do that as a trip, then you could totally 371 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: do that. So that's on my list as well. 372 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 3: We also going further out from one year definitely want 373 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 3: to do Hawaii for our twentieth wedding anniversary, this time 374 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 3: with kids, but we did go there on our honeymoon, 375 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 3: so it's kind of meaningful to plan on going back. 376 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent, Well those are that's a lot of places. 377 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: I guess we got to get ordergotized on office. 378 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: So how do you track this? Do you have any. 379 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 2: Well, the problem is, I mean it's hard to look 380 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: out more than twelve months. I tried to have a 381 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 2: general sense of what we're the different vacations over the 382 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: next twelve months because we tend to only travel when 383 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 2: the kids are off school, and so if I wind 384 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 2: up traveling somewhere cool for work or whatever, that's kind 385 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: of a bonus. But the family vacations, it's Christmas spring break. 386 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: I mean, you could do February that we get a 387 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: fairly long President's Day, but it's not like a full 388 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: week or anything. It's just it's like four days. So 389 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: we have done stuff. But I don't know if we're 390 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: going to try to do that again because it's challenging. 391 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: But so Christmas spring break, try to maybe do two 392 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: things in the summer that tends to be how it goes. 393 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: One thing that I am learning now is that certain kids' 394 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 3: activities and sports are shockingly strict about when they prefer 395 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: you travel and when they not. There is language in 396 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 3: our new gymnastics team that is like, you may not 397 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 3: travel more than three consecutive days from this month to 398 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 3: this month. So and I remember friends with older kids 399 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 3: telling me this and me being like, whatever, I'll just 400 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 3: ignore it. 401 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: And then you're like, oh, it's hard. 402 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 3: Because if you've committed to something, then you don't want 403 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: to be especially if it's a kind of team thing, 404 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 3: because then it's like, oh, I the one messing everybody up, 405 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 3: or for soccer where they have tournaments, et cetera. So 406 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 3: I actually am finding it much more fun to travel 407 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 3: as the kids have gotten older and a little bit 408 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 3: more complicated. 409 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that's true. 410 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: Although again, like Christmas tends to be good because you know, 411 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: most people aren't going to make you do stuff on Christmas. 412 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: But then again, the problem is is when everyone else 413 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: is traveling. I mean, this is always the issue. It's 414 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: yes we can travel over Christmas, and yes we can 415 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 2: travel the week before Easter, but that is when literally 416 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: everyone else is also traveling. 417 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,239 Speaker 3: So I'm pretty resigned to that piece. I will say 418 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 3: I've had some Christmas trips that were like shockingly chill, 419 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: like going skiing over Christmas. It was jolly, it was lovely, 420 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 3: and it wasn't terribly crowded. 421 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: Well, sometimes it's weird, you know. 422 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like things you think would be crowded aren't 423 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 2: so we I mean, this is like a not a 424 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 2: big trip. But on the fourth of July, we decided 425 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: to do a family bike trip at Valley Forge, right 426 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 2: because there's a loop there with the bike trails, and 427 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: I was sort of thinking, I don't know that this 428 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: is a good idea, Like if Valley Forge is gonna 429 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: be crowded at any day, like I think the fourth 430 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: of July, like Valley Forge National Park, we're gonna go see. 431 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: Where George Washington. 432 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: Like if you're thinking, oh, where can we go on 433 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 2: the fourth, that like seems to be a place that 434 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: people might go. 435 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: And yet it really wasn't that bad. Honestly, was not 436 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: that bad at all. 437 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 2: I mean it was a little crowded around the visitors 438 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: like Visitors Center, but once you got about half a 439 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: mile away from that, I guess nobody walks further than 440 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: half a mile. 441 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: We're just like not that many people, So it was 442 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: pretty cool. I think that everyone is down the shore. Yeah, 443 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: maybe everyone's down the shore. 444 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 3: That's been my arms every time we come. I'm kind 445 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 3: of like, it's not too busy right now. I'm like, oh, 446 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 3: they're all in New Jersey. 447 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. 448 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 2: Well, it's funny that you say down the shore because 449 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: we found everyone goes south to Cape May and Avalon 450 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 2: and Ocean City and that's we go straight east. 451 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: So the store, you go east. You can't stay down there. 452 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: And I guess I wouldn't be down the shore, would it. 453 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: Philadelphians always say down the shore. 454 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: I know, but we're not going down You're right like 455 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 2: you're going up to Yeah, slightly up and do east. 456 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: So so funny. All right, moving on from that one. 457 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: All right, So, Sarah, this person is wondering recommendations or 458 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 2: tips for making your in office days count. And you 459 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 2: have some experience with this because obviously you know your work. 460 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 2: Some days you're in the office and other days you're 461 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 2: doing something completely different. 462 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, other days I'm like, consider myself like completely separate 463 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 3: from the office. I think it's just very important to 464 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: cultivate those relationships while you are there, make sure you 465 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 3: do the lunch and say yes to be in person 466 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 3: meeting and stop by somebody's colleague's office and ask how 467 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 3: they're doing. Like it's the time to do that, softer piece, 468 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 3: because when you're at home, like that's not going to 469 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 3: come very naturally. I mean avoiding going to meetings in 470 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 3: person whenever you can, even if there's an option, even 471 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 3: if it involves like walking to another building, depending on 472 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 3: what you do, can be worthwhile. 473 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: You mean going to them, Yeah, going to them. 474 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: That's how you said avoiding No, No, like going going 475 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 2: to them, going to them physically and not zooming. 476 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: Yes, don't zoom when you're in person. 477 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 2: Yes, now, I think and even sort of having in 478 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: mind that your days in the office are social, because 479 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: I think sometimes people still have it here. They're like, oh, well, 480 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: I need to get my work done, so shit chatting 481 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 2: with a colleague is separate. But it's like no, no, 482 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: when you're at your home office, you can do your 483 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: stuff like then you can put your nose to the grindstone, 484 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: do all your individual deliverables, all that your days in 485 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: the office. Ideally you are not showing up just to 486 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 2: call and email people in other places like that makes 487 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: no sense, and I'm sorry if your employer is making 488 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: you go in to do that like that. There are 489 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: very strict guidelines on when you have to go in, 490 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 2: but if you have some flexibility with definitely thinking of 491 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 2: those in office days as more social, like make sure 492 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 2: that you are booked for lunch, make sure that you're 493 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 2: planning on meeting somebody for coffee, or at least have 494 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: an idea of who you might ask, so that you're 495 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: making the most of those in person connections. 496 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 3: If there's anything that needs brainstorming, in person is so 497 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 3: much better. For some reason, I feel like it's so 498 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: much easier to play off of other people's ideas when 499 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 3: you are together. 500 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: Hence why we talked about earlier. 501 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 3: Laura and I like to like plan out our season 502 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 3: when we can actually see each other and talk face 503 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 3: to face. So think of your in office days as 504 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 3: like idea generating connections. 505 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. 506 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: So another career related question, this person says, I may 507 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 2: be going back to part time contract work shortly after 508 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 2: a break from work. Any tips or tricks on how 509 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: to start well in a new role, but also word 510 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: off burnout from the beginning. So yeah, I think the 511 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: thing with part time work and certainly what you've discovered, Sarah, 512 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you really want to be clear on your boundaries. 513 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 3: Yes, extremely clear, and those boundaries include time and scope. 514 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 3: So it's like I work these days and I'm responsible 515 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 3: for these activities because I do think you know, one 516 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 3: of the things we warn against with part time is 517 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 3: you just become very vulnerable to doing a full. 518 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: Time job and getting part time pay. 519 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 3: And that is not going to be a recipe for 520 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: avoiding furnout since that's what you're looking to do. So 521 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 3: being very clear about those things, even having them, I 522 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 3: don't necessarily know, if you know, it depends on the culture, 523 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: et cetera, whether that would be appropriate to put in 524 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 3: writing to somebody else, but at least put him in 525 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 3: them writing to yourself, so you have an idea of 526 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 3: what your goals are. And if there's some way of 527 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 3: chatting with whoever hired you to make sure, like, oh, 528 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 3: we're all in agreement about X, Y and Z, then 529 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 3: that will be very helpful. And if you can get 530 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 3: them to put that in writing, probably even more so. 531 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 3: And the fact that you're a contract employee, this might 532 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: be realistic because they hired you to do a specific thing. 533 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: They didn't hire you to be a piece of the 534 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 3: corporate machine. They're hiring you to do that thing that 535 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: you're expert in. With that said, since you chose to 536 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 3: take this position, make sure what you are spending your 537 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 3: time doing are those super valuable things. Then I'm sure 538 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 3: they're excited about you bringing to the company. And if 539 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 3: you find yourself being asked to do things that are 540 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 3: not things you love to do, not are things that 541 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,719 Speaker 3: are your valuable skills, then you may want to be 542 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 3: careful about that and try to address them explaining that hey, 543 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 3: you're here to do XYZ. 544 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: And you're not going to be able to accommodate AP 545 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: and C. 546 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this person maybe it may have an hourly 547 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 2: rate associated with that, in which case I think that's 548 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: actually a very fair way to compensate people in this 549 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: kind of work, because then you're tracking your hours and 550 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 2: if they are asking you to do more than the 551 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: scope of what you agreed to do, then guess what 552 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 2: you're getting paid more and then you can decide if 553 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 2: that's worth it a long term with this gig, but 554 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: that would be great, and if it's not that, then 555 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: maybe try to keep track of that on your own 556 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: so there's some record of how much you are actually working. 557 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: I think it'd be very good to bill your time, 558 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: even if you don't officially bill your time on that, 559 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 2: but also make sure that you are doing cool stuff 560 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: outside of work. I think one of the best ways 561 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 2: to ward off burnout is to have a cool life. 562 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: I mean, we draw energy from meaningful things. And the 563 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 2: opposite of burnout isn't like it's engagement, right, Like, it's 564 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: being engaged in your life. And so that's great if 565 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 2: your work feels engaging and wonderful, but if this is 566 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 2: also just a way to make some money, which is 567 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 2: totally cool, make sure you've got some other cool stuff 568 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 2: going on in your life as well, whether that's joining 569 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 2: the softball team, playing pickleball every Thursday with a picklebar partner, 570 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: or whatever it is. But just that you have other 571 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: cool stuff going on in your life in the hours 572 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 2: that aren't work will also help ward off burnout. 573 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 3: Yes, because you are choosing to be part time at 574 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 3: a cost right like you could have been full time, 575 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 3: So make sure you're making those hours worthwhile. That doesn't 576 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 3: mean not to rest, it doesn't mean not to pack 577 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 3: in every little thing, but again, I like that. Make 578 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: sure you're and things that feel really fun and worthwhile 579 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 3: to you. 580 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: All right, Next question, this person says, I am headed 581 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 2: back to work soon after having twins, who are her 582 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 2: last kids? Having had twins, she has four children ages 583 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: five and under. She says she lives in a part 584 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: of the world where many mothers either go part time 585 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 2: or stay home with young kids, so she knows she 586 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: is going to be a serious exception I guess at 587 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: her workplace and in her general community. 588 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: She is bracing herself for that somewhat. 589 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 2: Looted question that she will probably get people saying, oh, well, 590 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: you know they're only young once, or some male colleagues 591 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 2: saying things like, yeah, my wife didn't go back to 592 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 2: work after we had ex kid because child care costs 593 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: more than what she made. What is a good way 594 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 2: of answering those comments. She is especially worried if they 595 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: might come from some of her supervisors who say things like, oh, well, 596 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: this is such a special time, just enjoy it. Why 597 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 2: are you in a rush for a promotion? Oh my goodness, Sarah, 598 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: what do. 599 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: You think about this one? 600 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: Oh? I feel so bad for anyone that has to 601 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 3: face that, But I know it is a reality in 602 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 3: some cases. I mean, I think emphasizing that you really 603 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,479 Speaker 3: enjoy your work and you're happy to be there. I mean, 604 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 3: if I had a supervisor say that, I'd be like, 605 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 3: I am enjoying it, and I'm also enjoying being here. 606 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: This project is really fun. 607 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: I don't know this, this is super super carb, but 608 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 3: I think I would emphasize how much I was happy 609 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 3: to be back. 610 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't have to answer the question that 611 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 2: is asked. We've been on the receiving end of this 612 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: as people who are interviewing other people that it is 613 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 2: entirely possible to pivot to say, oh, that's such an 614 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: interesting question, and that's such an issue, and like, have 615 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: you considered this. 616 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: When you say something that is totally. 617 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: Different from what they ask, right, And when you're interviewing 618 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: someone this is really really annoying. But if you are 619 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: just making polite conversation, which presumably is what everyone is doing, 620 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: then you have to I think you just pivot and 621 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: be like, oh, yeah, the kids are amazing. 622 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: There's someonet of a did you see their picture? Oh, 623 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: they're so cute, and this is a great project. Can 624 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: I tell you my ideas for this right, It just 625 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: like move on right, like move on from it. 626 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 3: I actually think the barrage of kid pictures might be 627 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 3: a perfect way to do it because it would do 628 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 3: two things. A Like, they're never they're gonna learn because 629 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 3: they're not gonna really want to see the barrage with 630 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 3: good pictures most likely. And number two, if you show 631 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: them the pictures from the weekend where you're like, look, 632 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 3: this is us at the pool and this is us 633 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: at the blae it's like, oh wait, okay, I guess 634 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 3: they are spending a good amount of time together and 635 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 3: maybe it would pin the back of their brain that's like, 636 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 3: maybe she doesn't want to do that every single day 637 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: Monday through Friday. I mean, I guess it depends on 638 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 3: your line, I know, but I would also. I mean, 639 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 3: this is something you might want to think about long term. 640 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 3: If you truly are getting sort of paternalistic kind of 641 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 3: things from your supervisor about why are you in a 642 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 3: rush for a promotion, which is a nicer way of 643 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 3: saying working moms don't. 644 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: Get promoted around here, I. 645 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 2: Think you might want to be putting some feelers out 646 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: for other managers you might want to be working with. 647 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: Let's just put it that way, and that sucks, but 648 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: it may be the case. All Right, we're gonna take 649 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: another quick ad break and we'll be back. Well, we 650 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: are back talking all things mail bag and we are Sarah, 651 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 2: you moved away from the question. I we're here, live together. 652 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: Sorrys in charge of the notes, and all of a 653 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: sudden the notes disappeared, and I'm like. 654 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 3: Thinking about adding another question, but we'll see if it 655 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 3: gets I think we're good by the way. I think 656 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 3: listeners should know that a little ping popped up with 657 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 3: like clearly was like pictures of videos of our children, 658 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 3: our children, I mean daredevil stunts off of the diving board. 659 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: But we haven't heard any screams, no no been. 660 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: No spas. 661 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, well, well, just if it dings again, there's 662 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: nothing I can do about it. 663 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: I don't know how to turn it on. 664 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously do not disturb somewhere on here, but 665 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: we have to be on the internet, so I gotta 666 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: figure that out anyway. Okay, last question, is there a 667 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 2: next step once kids are bigger beyond nanny age for 668 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 2: either of you that you have considered? So, Sarah, I 669 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: mean at the point where kids can be home by themselves. 670 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe your oldest is even driving, Like, what 671 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 2: do you think that would would look like? 672 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we I guess just a review. We 673 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 3: do currently have a full time nanny who doesn't really 674 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 3: work full time hours most weeks. Some weeks she comes 675 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 3: close if there's a really loaded activity schedule or days 676 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 3: off from school or things like that, but a lot 677 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 3: of other weeks we don't really need anybody in the 678 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: morning currently most days. Next year is going to be 679 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 3: a very weird year because we have one kid at 680 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 3: one school, two kids at another school, and I think 681 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: that's going to weed to increase complexity. That's going to 682 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 3: be get definitely important to have full time coverage, But 683 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 3: I do wonder about some kind of shift after that, 684 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 3: particularly if we end up putting all three kids in 685 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 3: the same school again, then there may be other options. 686 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 3: I would personally love to have our same nanny. I 687 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: just wonder if there may be a point when we 688 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 3: do something a little bit different with the hours, if 689 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 3: we can find an arrangement that everybody that works for everybody, 690 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 3: Because she. 691 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: Does a lot of household stuff for you, right, like, yeah, 692 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 2: that she cooks, she does laundry, she cleans, up. 693 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 3: Correct, she cooks, she cleans, she does a lot of 694 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: that stuff. Well not clean, it's not like heavy duty cleans, 695 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 3: but there's definitely plenty of household stuff. However, my kids 696 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 3: are getting to the point where they can help with 697 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 3: some of that. It's less of that complete and utter 698 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 3: chaos that we had when the kids were little. 699 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. 700 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 3: I do think about it wouldn't be for next year, 701 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 3: but like whether there might be a slightly different arrangement 702 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 3: that would make sense a year and a half from now. 703 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we still have young kids too, and 704 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 2: it's as the kids get older, you wind up needing 705 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: help with the driving a lot. And I think people 706 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 2: wind up not having full time care often too soon. 707 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: Like they they're like, oh, well the kids are in school, 708 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: but you're only in school from like nine to three, 709 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 2: and it's one hundred and eighty days a year, whereas 710 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: a work here is like two hundred and forty days, 711 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: and kids get sick and kids, you know, there's random 712 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 2: half days and you might travel for work, in which 713 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 2: case like that doesn't really work if both of you 714 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: are out of town and somebody needs to be around 715 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: because there's a random half day or whatever, and you 716 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 2: can create a really complex schedule, but it also is 717 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 2: very helpful to have another person who is available for that. 718 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: So just cautioning people not to give up the coverage 719 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 2: too soon, I think we've seen a lot of people 720 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 2: transition to more of a like household manager role that 721 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: somebody can do a lot of the things. Like you know, 722 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 2: if you're going to do that bathroom renova, maybe you 723 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 2: don't want to manage it. That would be something that 724 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: somebody could take on or organize the house, get rid 725 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 2: of all the stuff, the baby clothes that need to go, 726 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 2: or repair the mailbox that got knocked over, or you know, 727 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 2: make dinner, do laundry, whatever. So lots of different things 728 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 2: that could still be done, and that's often helpful to 729 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: not have to have either you or your partner do 730 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 2: it if you're both working more than full time hours. 731 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: Do you think you guys will make any kind of 732 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: shift at any point. 733 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I do I think we'll need 734 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 2: full time coverage when Henry is like fourteen, No, and 735 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: he's the only kid at home. But on the other hand, 736 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: he wouldn't be able to stay home by himself, so 737 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: for like overnight night yeah, so, I mean, you'd still 738 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 2: need to figure something out for that, but we'll see 739 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 2: how long Michael's doing what he does or you know. 740 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 3: I can't picture our youngest ones home. Well I think 741 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 3: about that a lot, actually, because I'm like, oh, right, 742 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 3: Genevieve entering high school will be an only child at home, 743 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 3: assuming everybody follows the conventional path to college, and that 744 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 3: is kind of wild. It's also like, I don't know, 745 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 3: you have to be careful with that math because then 746 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 3: you realize like, it isn't that far away, which is. 747 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 2: Why we're enjoying it a lot now, right, Lots lots 748 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 2: of fun with the kids, lots of adventures, I mean definitely. 749 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,919 Speaker 2: I mean with that last question, I think they're only 750 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 2: young ones, yes, and we are enjoying all of it 751 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 2: while still doing our full time job, so there's no 752 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 2: contradiction there whatsoever. 753 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 3: That's the whole message of best of both worlds one 754 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 3: hundred percent. 755 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 2: Yes, All right, Well, this has been our mailbag episode. 756 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: We are sitting here in my home office outside Philadelphia, 757 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 2: where Sarah has joined me and our kids are hopefully 758 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 2: still in the pool, but we will be back next 759 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 2: week with more on making work in life fit together. 760 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 761 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram. 762 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 2: And you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 763 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 2: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 764 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 2: join us next time for more on making work and 765 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: life work together.