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If you are new, just 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: download the Fan Duel app to get started. Now signed 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: up with promo code Colin so they know we sent you. 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: What is going on everybody? John Middlecock Three and Out 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: Podcast Thursday night, April the first round of the NFL 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: Draft in Las Vegas. Las Vegas, Nevada, one of the 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: truly great cities in America. I mean, who are canning? 17 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: Uh incredible night for the draft. Officially it ended. Uh 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: so now we've still got we got six more rounds, 19 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: but what a night. We'll obviously hit on the biggest 20 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: story of the night, which was my former boss Howard 21 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: Roseman making an incredible trade. What a move. Some thoughts 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: on them, the Titans, the Cardinals, the Jets, the Giants, Bulky. 23 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: I'll kind of fire through some other stuff in the draft, 24 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: but pretty incredible night. So I think what we're gonna 25 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: do is probably no Middlecoff mail bag this weekend, but 26 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: if you want to at John Middlecoff is the Instagram. 27 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: At John Middlecoff is the Instagram firing those d ms 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: we usually do on the weekend, but I have to 29 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: save until next week. We've got too much going on. 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: We'll have more draft talk for the weekend. I'll probably 31 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: do another podcast after after the second and third round. 32 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: That's the plan I think scheduled to go on with 33 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: on Colins podcast on Sunday. Might also do another little 34 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: one and then we'll keep it rolling. But uh yeah, 35 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: I mean subscribe to the podcast, share with your friends. 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: If you listen through Colin's feet, subscribed to might be 37 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: three and out greatly appreciated. But let's just dive right in. 38 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: I'm hard on people, I'm hard on meatheads, and ultimately 39 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: football is a physical game, but the business of football 40 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: is an intellectual exercise. Smart people run this league the 41 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: two best I would say most historic coaches, and they 42 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: were also the GMS basically of the last forty years. 43 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: Are intellectuals, Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick and the irony 44 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: of both guys. While Bill being a defensive guy and 45 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: Walsh being a offensive guy, Walsh's defenses were always awesome. 46 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: Walsh's second favorite sport boxing tough guy obviously. Belichick intellectual, 47 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: but is a defensive guy at Hart and is, let's 48 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: face it, known as the greatest defensive coordinator in the 49 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: history of the sport. So you have to have the 50 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: blend of doing it both when you're a coach, but 51 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: when you're a GM, ultimately you don't. You're not talking 52 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: to the team. I mean you do, you know the 53 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: players and stuff, but like you don't address the team 54 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: during the season, like you are in charge of building 55 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: the roster, free agency, of spending the right amount of 56 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: money on players, and then in the draft, understanding it's 57 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: an economic exercise supply demand. How we said this during 58 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: a press conference during the combine, and it's really stuck 59 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: with me the last couple of months. Every single team 60 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: in the league has the same amount of money and 61 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: the same amount of draft capital. We all just choose 62 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: how we want to allocate it. Just because the Rams 63 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: never pick doesn't mean they don't have picks. They just 64 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: use them to trade for veteran players. Just because the 65 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: Giants and J's have all these picks, it's because they 66 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: traded players away. Right, so you get to determine. This 67 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: is not baseball, where the aids and the and the 68 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: Raise and the Orioles they don't spend any money, and 69 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: the Yankees and the Dodgers and the Giants they got 70 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: all the cash. In football, if the if the Bengals 71 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: want to spend their entire salary cap space, they easily can. 72 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: They gotta check from the league. Every single team in 73 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: theory to start, in reality, has a first round pick, 74 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: a second round pick, a third round pick, a fourth 75 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: round pick. Now, obviously you get cop picks when guys 76 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: leaving free agency or now with the minority hiring, but 77 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: everyone has the same. You just have to determine how 78 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: you want to allocated. And the smarter teams historically win 79 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: because they know how to allocate their resources, like most 80 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: in most industries. Right, if you're competing against me the 81 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: three now podcasts, and you have another podcast, well, I 82 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: got cowered behind me. We have some funding, like, we 83 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: have some resources, right, so you have to it's not 84 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: it's not might not be fair if you're if you're 85 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: trying to have a football podcast, just you know in 86 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: your in your basement, you know it's gonna be hard 87 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: for you to beat me. I am producer, I got 88 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: cutting video, I have calling back in this thing. Like 89 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: it's it's not all equal in the podcast business, but 90 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: in the National Football League it literally is all equal. 91 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: And I saw it firsthand and how he has been 92 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: I would say how to polarizing career, but I knew 93 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: it very early on. This guy is very, very bright, 94 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: and he knows how to wheel and deal. And I 95 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear over the last several years that 96 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: he is the best wheeler and dealer currently in the NFL. 97 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: And as great as strength is understanding value and knowing 98 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: what things will cost, knowing who will cost this and 99 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: what I need to trade for that and how much 100 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: a free agent. It doesn't mean you're always gonna get 101 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: things right. Like Google and Apple invest in industries, sometimes 102 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: they fail. Not every one of their business products or 103 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: investments work. You're not gonna go a hundred percent that 104 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: this is this is some simulation. This is reality with 105 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: real people, and you missed sometimes. But ultimately, Howie the 106 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: last couple of years without a quarterback, pivoted away from 107 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: a guy that he drafted really high that clearly became toxic, 108 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: and over the last couple of years has built an 109 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: excellent team. And then tonight got a J. Brown ended 110 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: the Nights with Jordan Davis, who has a chance to 111 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: be one of the best defensive players easily from this draft. 112 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: He was like three forty pounds, he's six ft five, 113 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: he runs like a four eight forty. I mean's an 114 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: actual physical freak from one of the greatest defenses we've 115 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: ever seen. And then he ends with a J. Brown 116 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: for the pick where I live Deebo Samuel, who has 117 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: demanded to trade, and clearly the forty nine is called 118 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: their bluff. And I said this over and over, if 119 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: you want to do business in the NFL, you can 120 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: get traded. And I don't know exactly as of recording this, 121 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: I haven't seen John Robinson or Mike vrabeled them, and 122 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: I've known John for a long time. Maybe I don't 123 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: know what they thought of a J. They clearly liked them, 124 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: but they ended up having a good move too, right, 125 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: they didn't want A. J. Brown for that money or 126 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and they ended up with the A. J. 127 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: Brown of the draft trailing Barks, who was also the 128 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: guy the forty Niners would have wanted. I they would 129 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: have got rid of Deebo Samuel like that was the target. 130 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: If you're gonna place one of these guys with that guy. 131 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: Like this is what high level people do, and this 132 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: is probably makes sense why the Eagles and the Titans 133 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: did business here. And this is how you do business 134 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: at the highest level of industries. You don't go to 135 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: the public. You don't go, you know, screaming I want 136 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: to trade. Just go talk to your general manager and 137 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: go talk to your agent and get business done behind 138 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: the scenes. Not everything always has to be public. And 139 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: how he works in silence and then boom, he has 140 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: A J. Brown on his team for the eighteenth pick 141 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: and he's under contract for the next five years. Right, 142 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: he extends him four years, a hundred million dollars, fifty 143 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: seven million dollars. All those guys, while way more accomplished, 144 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: they are older, the nine year old guys that just 145 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: got extended. A J. Brown got a lot less money. Now, 146 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: howie who had a wide receiver problem? Right? He missed 147 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: on Jalen Reagor okay, you pivot. What is Belichick's greatest asset? 148 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,559 Speaker 1: When he drafts a guy who sucks? He doesn't write 149 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: it out. Most GMS write it out. Why because either 150 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: they're insecure or they want to be proven right, the 151 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: best businessmen And that's ultimately what a GM is because 152 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: their draft picks and the free agent signings are their assets. 153 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: Are their acquisitions are how they're judged in their industry. 154 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: You can hold on till the end, or you can 155 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: just pivot. And how he pivoted with a J. Brown. 156 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: And here's what the Eagles are now. They are easily 157 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: the best team that has a questionable quarterback. And when 158 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: you are that, we've seen the last couple of years 159 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: a lot of quarterback movement. They're gonna be in a 160 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: position if a quarterback becomes available. Oh yeah. They also 161 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: have two first round picks next year, so they're built 162 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: for the now. They can compete. They just made the 163 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: playoffs and they'll be nine win team and they got 164 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: multiple picks to keep getting better as the future goes on. 165 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: This was you often hear coaches say this when they 166 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: take over Division one Power five program. We're not rebuilding, 167 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: we're reloading. It will only take us a year to 168 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: get this thing trained back on the tracks. Everyone thought 169 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: when they traded Carson Wentz that the Eagles were fucked, 170 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: that they were basically going to become like the Jets 171 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: of the Giants. Instead, they went nine and eight. And 172 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: here's the other thing. We often talk about coaches that 173 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: or I mean general managers, what how did they draft? 174 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: Who they draft? Who they draft? And that's rightfully, so 175 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: we judge a lot. Uh, your resume is based on 176 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: who you drafted. I would say that the biggest thing, 177 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: and arguably even bigger than the draft, is who you 178 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: hire to be your head coach. And last year they 179 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: hired Nick Sirianni, which after the first press conference a 180 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: lot of people made fun of and rightfully so it 181 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: was it wasn't great, and we had some time sula vibes. 182 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,599 Speaker 1: And then it turns out, actually, you know what, he 183 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: maybe he just wasn't that comfortable talking, and as as 184 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: time went on, he became a lot more comfortable in 185 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: front of the camera. But you know, the most important 186 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: thing is as a head coach. It doesn't matter how 187 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: good you are in the press conference. Belichick hasn't tried 188 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: in the press conference in thirty years. Who cares? Nick 189 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: Sirianna can coach and he just Jalen Jalen Hurts, who listened. 190 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: I don't think it's any good. Somehow they won nine 191 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: games with so incredible night to be an Eagle fan. 192 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: Weird night for the Titans, but if you're gonna pivot, 193 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: he ended up with the wide receiver that you would 194 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: want to replace him. So uh, easily the biggest story 195 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: of the night the Arizona Cardinals. Listen, Kyler Murray's drama. 196 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: There's no way around it. And when you have drama 197 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: like listen, when you have a quarterback, unless you're the Packers, 198 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: you try to surround them with talent. Of course you do, right, 199 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. You went got Stefan Diggs. Obviously you had 200 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: to Hill and Kelsey for those guys. You trade for 201 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. You have all the wide receivers, they're always 202 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: you're you're always trying to improve the talent around your 203 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: young quarterback to make them look good. But to trade 204 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: your first round pick for Hollywood Brown, to me is 205 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: pretty baffling. I don't get it just because they played 206 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: together in college, but I do get it because they're 207 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 1: kind of in a pickle. They want no part of 208 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: paying this guy. Don't blame them. You cannot pay him 209 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: this offseason, but you also don't want him to not 210 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: be happy. See, you kind of gotta fake it, so 211 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: you're trying to put a band aid over something. And 212 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 1: that's why you get Hollywood one of his buddies from Oklahoma, 213 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: who is not a bad player. Last year had ninety catches, 214 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: has been productive, is a talented guy, and has some 215 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: understandable scheme fit. They lose Christian Kirk, their deep threat, 216 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: they add Hollywood Brown, but this also feels a little forced, right, 217 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,599 Speaker 1: he is gonna need a new contract relatively soon, And 218 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: it feels like you're doing this to just because of 219 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, which I don't know. It just feels weird. 220 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: And the Cardinals got a lot of weird vibes and 221 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: it all surrounds around Kyler. Their coach actually turned out 222 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: to be not bad. Their general manager is pretty damn good. 223 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: Yet the Kyler Murray situation is like just this thing 224 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: hanging over them that they don't quite know how to 225 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: fix and they're kind of stuck, and I don't know 226 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: what they do. They're not gonna trade them, but they're 227 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 1: not gonna pay him either, So you could argue this 228 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: thing is only going to continue to get weird. The 229 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: Jets and the Giants. I've said for a while, and 230 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: I think I did something on it the last couple 231 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: of weeks. Is the NFL is so powerful that their 232 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: biggest market that has two teams that have I mean, 233 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: the Giants fan base is enormous. The Jets fan base 234 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: for being the number two team in the market is 235 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: also really big. Just haven't made the playoffs in a decade. 236 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: The Giants haven't won a playoff game since Eli's last 237 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl victory over Brady and Belichick. I think they 238 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: both combined for the two worst records in the league 239 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: over like the last five years. They haven't just been bad, 240 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: they've been putrid. They've been an embarrassment. And part of 241 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: being an embarrassment, like as the league, as Roger Goodell, 242 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: I'd say this about like act or not athletic directors, 243 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: but like commissioners like Larry Scott, who was the commissioner 244 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: of the Pac twelve. People hated him, people thought he 245 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: was the village idiot in fairness to him, and he 246 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: was like he didn't get how important football was, but 247 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: he wasn't hiring these terrible coaches, Like it wasn't his 248 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: fault that the league was not winning football games. He 249 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: didn't do a good job promoting it and the TV stuff, 250 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: and he was doing a tennis and softball But it 251 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: was not his fault that Clay Helton was the coach 252 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: at USC That is not his problem. It has not 253 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: Ben Roger Goodell and the league's fault that the Giants 254 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: and Jets suck. That's on John Mara. Keep hiring Dave 255 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: Gettleman and Pat Sherman and Joe Judge and Woody Johnson 256 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: and his brother and cousin whoever the hell was running it, 257 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: hiring village idiot one and village idiot too. But now 258 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: it feels like both teams Joe Douglas, Robert Sala and 259 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: Joe Shane and Brian day Ball just have some competent people. 260 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: Are they stars? Time will tell, But every single person, 261 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I can speak for Joe Douglas and Robert Salo. 262 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people that worked with Joe Douglas. 263 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: They love him. He was Howie Roseman's right hand guy 264 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: when they won a Super Bowl. Joe Douglas was taught 265 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: by Ozzy k Newsom in the Ravens. He's legit. Robert Salo. 266 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: Is he gonna be a great head coach? I don't know, 267 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: but I think very highly of the guy in the 268 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: in the football coach, Brian Dable. I'll be honest, I 269 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: don't know that much about beside watching him in Buffalo, 270 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: but Joe Shane. People that I know in the NFL 271 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: think he is very, very impressive. And the NFL is 272 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: a business, I'm sure, like many industries that we all 273 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: work in, where you naturally talk shit about other people. 274 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: I haven't had one person that has been on a 275 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: school call that has been around Joe Shane that doesn't 276 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: have high level things to say about him. And I 277 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: think both New York teams had a really, really impressive 278 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: night because I think the most important thing to do 279 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: when you suck is to not overthink it. Just get 280 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: good football players you don't like ideally like to hit 281 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: home run. But these teams, we're not even talking that. 282 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: We just need to get the train back on the tracks. 283 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman is drafting quarterbacks. You can't even pick up 284 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: their fifth year option. He drafted a running back at 285 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: number two overall. Mike mccagnet I don't think knows the 286 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: defensive tackle from an offensive tackle. Worst general manager, biggest 287 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: clown ever. Well, I mean, there have been some other 288 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: ones in the league, but joke, laughing stock. In the NFL, 289 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: both teams multiple picks in the top ten, which is 290 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: pretty crazy, right, the Jets at four and ten and 291 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: the Giants at five and seven. It's that's it's pretty wild. 292 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: Great great trades by to end up that way, right, 293 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: and the Jets did not think the room. Maybe they 294 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: would have taken Stingley. The Texans do they just take 295 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner. They just take a guy who should be 296 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: a ten year starter at corner. And then, for whatever reason, 297 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why the Falcons took Drake London. I 298 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: root naturally for Pact twelve guys. Garrett Wilson was the 299 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: best wide receiver in this draft when you factor in 300 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: Jamis Wilson. Jamis Williams has a torn a cl but 301 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: to take Glendon over Garrett Wilson to me and embarrassed. 302 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: It's what are you kidding me? So the Jets just 303 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: took Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson. They just got two 304 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: legitimate football players. Like a couple of years ago when 305 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: Joe Douglas took McKay Beckton, that was a risky pick. 306 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: And what's happened since it's bending up and down roller 307 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: coaster ride, He's not getting roller coaster rides in these 308 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: two guys. I've watched a lot of Ohise State games 309 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: last couple of years. I would say the majority of 310 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: the games. When you turned when you just ended watching 311 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: in Ohio State game, he went, yeah, I think Garrett 312 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: Wilson or Crystal Lobby is the best player in the 313 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: field every fucking game they played. Cincinnati, somehow out of nowhere, 314 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: became a power who went to a the playoffs and 315 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: their best player was his corner and they took him 316 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: like that. That's just high level stuff. And then the Giants, 317 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: who historically when they were good, when they won multiple 318 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: Super Bowls with Tom Coughlin, do you know where they 319 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: dominated in the trenches. I worked for the Eagles. I 320 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: saw firsthand that second Super Bowl team, their defensive line 321 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: was always enormous. They would walk out and it would 322 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: be O C. It would be JPP, it would be 323 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, Kiwa Nuka, it would be it would be 324 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: all these guys. You'd be like, Holy sh it, these 325 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: are the biggest human beings I've ever seen. And then 326 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: they had offensive line Shawn O'Hara. I can't even think 327 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: of some of their offense. They had really good offensive lineman. 328 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: They were just big and they were tough and they 329 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: were physical. That's where they dominated. It's not like ELI was. 330 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: They didn't have seven Odell Beckham's back. Then Odell Beckham 331 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: was not on their team. They were tough and physical. 332 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: That is the ethos of the franchise. Think about the 333 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: Parcels Days defense LT slam down your throat, kick your ass, 334 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: beat your ass, dominate you. What do they do. They 335 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: take Cavon Thibodeaux, who is a polarizing player. But here's 336 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: what I will say about this guy, blue chip guy, 337 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: number one overall recruit, goes to Oregon with Mario and 338 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: has a really good career. And they did this once 339 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: up lount of time with JPP and it worked. Now 340 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: they're different players, But you know what I'm saying you 341 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: win with pass rushers. That's how you can still be 342 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: physical in the NFL. I can't hit you over the middle. 343 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: I can't hit you at the line of scrimmage as 344 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: a corner. I can hit you at the line of 345 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: scrimmage as a defensive lineman. And one thing if you 346 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: watch Cabon and I watched a lot of Pactrol football, 347 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: is he's not soft. He will play the run. He 348 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: he is. He is not a puss by any means. 349 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: I think that's a good pick. I think it's gonna 350 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: work there. I also think it's smart because I do 351 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: think they could have taken him at seven as well. 352 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: Let's just assume that they like uh a Quantu more 353 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: than Evan Neil, and I'm not sure they did, but 354 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,239 Speaker 1: they wanted to take a Quandu at five and then 355 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: take Cavon at seven. I think it's smart to take 356 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: Cavon at five because you basically show him like you 357 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: were our guy, and I think that's important to him, 358 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: like to be like loved Mario loved him up and 359 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: they got him to Oregon. I think he's gonna be good. 360 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: Then then taking Evan Neil, who whether he's a tackle 361 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: web a reason guard. He's just a good football player, 362 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: and that's one thing that the Jets, Wilson and and 363 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: Sauce need some good football players. I think they traded 364 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: up and they got the Florida State guy as well. 365 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: I don't know that much about him, but I just 366 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: know that those guys, the four guys that both teams 367 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: took in the top ten, those are big time football players. 368 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: That's Listen Cavon, polarizing player. He can play. He can play, 369 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: so I give him credit. 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Let's go with 397 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: the Jacks in a draft that did not have Nick 398 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: Bosa or Joey Bosa or Miles Garrett, or Chase Young 399 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: or Jamaar Chase or just some can't miss all time player. 400 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: There is no such thing as even the guys I 401 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: just talked to. There's no guarantee to Garrett Wilson or 402 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: Cabon Thibodeau or Evan Neil or Sauce Gardener are gonna 403 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: be good football players. This is all educated guesses. I 404 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: was watching the Warriors game. I'm recording this OWD been 405 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: on Wednesday night, the night that they shut up there. 406 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: They beat the Nuggets four to one. Nicole Yokich, I 407 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: don't watch that much Denver Nuggets basketball. He's an incredible 408 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: basketball player. I've been watching the NBA for almost thirty 409 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: years now. He's one of the most unique big men 410 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. He is. It's an even Draymond after 411 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: the game, who loves the podcast, I mean Clints game 412 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: told the media, I'm not gonna tell you much because 413 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home and I'm gonna say it on 414 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: my podcast. Draymond Green is a passionate podcaster, I mean, 415 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: and even he said that he told he went up 416 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: to your kitchen and hugged him and thanked him for 417 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: making him a better player, and Draymond is not some 418 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: kiss ass guy like you gotta be legit for him 419 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: to respect you. Yoki is just an all time great player, 420 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: and he's a Hall of Famer. He's gonna win back 421 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: to back NBPS. He was a forty first pick in 422 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: the draft in the NBA. If you're the forty one 423 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: pick in the NBA, that might as well be like 424 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: a seventh round pick, sixth round pick, so that there 425 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: is no guarantee that any of these guys. There is 426 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: no such thing as can't miss. So if I'm gonna 427 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: get up to the plate and I listen, I see 428 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: it with far hand. He runs the Giants. I've watched 429 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: Billy Bean forever. If all the Dodgers closely, do you 430 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: know that the analytical guys in baseball believe they would 431 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: rather have a walk, a home run, or a strikeout 432 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: than like a double and then no runs they want. 433 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: They're always swinging for the fences. They they value. They 434 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: don't they don't mind strikeouts as long as you hit 435 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: thirty five home runs. So different basketball. They don't want 436 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: you to shoot twos anymore. They want you to shoot threes. 437 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: They value something bigger than something smaller. It's just basic math. 438 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: So Aidan Hutchinson, there's no guarantee. He's not a boast 439 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: of brother. He has short little arms. Now, I think 440 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson watching him play at michigan's a good player. 441 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a really good NFL player. 442 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: That's what I think. But I didn't think Jalen Hurts 443 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: gonna be any good. He's not bad. I thought certain guys, 444 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: you know, you never know. So I have no problem 445 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: with Trent Balky getting in the plate and going, you 446 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: know what, instead of just hitting a double, which I 447 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: could get thrown out at second, I'm gonna take a 448 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: swing and I'm gonna try to hit a home run. 449 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: I'm you know, at venture capitalists when they give out 450 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: five billion dollars, they give every you know, they give 451 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: all these different companies fifty million dollars. Let's say they're 452 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: hoping to hit one Facebook, Google or Uber and fifty 453 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: x their money. They don't kind of that five million dollars. 454 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: They lose four hundred of it to get seven billion back. 455 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: I like that mindset because you don't want in life, 456 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: Like I said this with Howie, you're gonna miss some picks. 457 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: You're gonna get some things wrong. You're gonna date some 458 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: people that you end up not liking. Like, you're not 459 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: always gonna win, You're not always gonna be on the 460 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: right side, So you might as well go for broke. 461 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: And the other thing is you already have your quarterback. 462 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: So there wasn't some camp miss all time left tackle 463 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: in this draft. Part of the reason that they franchise 464 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: and then extended Cam Robinson. I don't know that much 465 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: about Trayvon Walker. Obviously, his stats speak for themselves. He's 466 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: not a very productive player. His physical attributes speak for themselves. 467 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: He's a freak on I don't know, one of the 468 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: greatest defenses we've ever seen in the history of college football. 469 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: I think five of their front seven players got drafted 470 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: in the first fucking round. Now, was he the best 471 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: guy on that defense? He was not the best guy 472 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: on the defense if you watch them play. Was the 473 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: Nakobe Dean, who I don't even think was drafted. So 474 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: it I understand the logic and the mindset. Is it 475 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: is it gonna work? I don't know, Probably would history 476 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: would say, but this is a guy who has been 477 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: in a position he avoided. You know, at the time, J. J. 478 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: Watt was a lot safer pick than Alton Smith. Now, 479 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: no one knew that J. J. Watt was going to 480 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: become a first ballot Hall of Famer and three time 481 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year. But at the time people 482 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: thought like he was gonna be a solid NFL player. 483 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: Alton Smith was risk verse reward. Now Alton Smith the 484 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: person turned out to be a disaster, got arrested like 485 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: every other day by his fourth year in the league. 486 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: But for the first three years in the league, no 487 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: one had ever had more sacks in NFL history. Through 488 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: that time period he was. I remember going to games 489 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: thinking like is this serious? Like who's blocking this guy? 490 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: And then I remember going to nine or practice walking 491 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: by them and going I get it. I understand because 492 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: when you go see someone who is six five with 493 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: long arms physically moves and Aidan Hutson is a good athlete, 494 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: but the arm length things scares off true scouts and 495 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: true football people. You know why it matters. You know 496 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: when you watch a boxing match, we don't have as 497 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: many of them anymore. We actually, I bet more you 498 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: we have more UFC fans that listen to this than 499 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: boxing fans. Why And I'm not some huge I respect 500 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: the ship out of UFC boxing, but I wouldn't call 501 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: myself like Chris mannos here. I'm not Joe Rogan, but 502 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: I I appreciate just the sport of it. And I 503 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: appreciate like when two guys are walking in the ring 504 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: and we show their measurables, right, their height, weight and 505 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: their reach, because if I can hit you and you 506 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: can't hit me, advantage me. Well, what is playing offensive 507 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: defensive line? A specially ends in offensive tackles? It's basically 508 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: a hand fight? Right? Can I grab you before you 509 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: can grab me? And Aidan Hutchinson's short arms scared baal 510 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: ky off. If Aiden Hutchinson had had thirty in arms 511 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: to me, he would have been the No Brander pick. 512 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: It wouldn't have been worth it trying to outthink the 513 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: room here. But he didn't. They were short, so he said, 514 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: you know what, screw it. I've done this before, I'm 515 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: gonna do it again. Is it guaranteed the work? Of 516 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: course not. But you get a guy into a scheme 517 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: where you let him just probably just get up field, 518 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: be aggressive. You don't have to two gap, you just 519 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: get to run after the quarterback to what Aldon Smith did, 520 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: and he started kicking everyone's ass. Now, one thing Aldon 521 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: Smith really benefited for from Vic Fangio was his defensive coordinator. 522 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: So who your coach matters? I don't even have the 523 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: Jags defensive coordinator I have. I don't want to opinion, 524 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to waste our time. But it ain't 525 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: Vic Fangio. So who his coach is gonna matter? A 526 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: lot of pressure on that defensive coordinator. Let's just fly 527 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: around some other stuff. I guess it was a little 528 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: shocking that Derek Stingley went went to or excuse me 529 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: three to the Texans. But kind of like Trent Balky, 530 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: I like that mindset. Try to hit a home run, 531 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: try to draft a star like, this is not a draft. 532 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: There are no guarantees. Right the next pick with Sauce, 533 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: So I'd rather if I was the Texans take a 534 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: shot the Jets. Like, the Texans have so many picks 535 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: coming up. The Jets need to just be competitive. This 536 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: is gonna be solid. Second year Joe Douglas now been 537 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: there three years, Like they just need to kind of 538 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: get some stuff going here. One thing with the Steelers. 539 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: They took Kenny Pickett, and I get that you share 540 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: a stadium with him, so you get to know him. 541 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: I've heard Kenny Pickett's a great guy, good character guy, 542 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: which is a big deal with quarterbacks. And I understand 543 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: that you played in Pittsburgh, which you know is a 544 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: cold weather play ace, but they don't play in December, 545 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: in January and college football, so he doesn't play in 546 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: those games. And let's face it, the a c C stinks. 547 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: It's terrible. And this year, which was his only good year, Clemson, 548 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: I mean, was down for their standards. They were nine three, 549 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: Miami Florida State were a joke. It's not very good. 550 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: I don't like that pick at all. And I just 551 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: I have a hard time seeing Kenny Pickett being a 552 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: good Steeler. Could be wrong because historically they draft well, 553 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. But here's what I would say. 554 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: They draft position players well. T J. Watt, Juju Smith, 555 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: Naja Harris, like they're good at doing all that stiff 556 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: uh Devin Bush, like they can they can trade for 557 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: Miko Fitzpatrick. They get it. Beside Ben Roethlisberger, they have 558 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: been drafted quarterbacks now for the last several years. Kevin Colbert, 559 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: he's whiffed on them all. Dobbs Tennessee awful, Mason Rudolph worse, 560 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: Canny Pickt Like I just I don't see it. And 561 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: I get it you need a quarterback, but I hate 562 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: forcing that. It's why I respect so many teams in 563 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: this draft. Everyone how many quarterbacks can go three or four? 564 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: How many quarterbacks can go one? Went one? And if 565 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett hadn't gone, I don't know if a quarterback goes. 566 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: This quarterback draft wasn't bad. It was awful. None of 567 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: these guys are starters. Hell, can Kenny pick Us not 568 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: gonna beat up Mr? Bisky? Can you pick us out 569 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: as talented as Mr Bisky? Now he's probably a little 570 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: more accurate, But I I don't see it. Now. I 571 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: get it, you get you feel like you gotta do something, 572 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: But I don't know. Man, I I don't love that 573 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: really at all, to be honest with you, because I 574 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: think a lot of people thought the Saints when they 575 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: trade it up. And here's the problem. Sometimes you think 576 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: you're closer than you are. We talk a lot about 577 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: having self awareness, having an understanding of where you're at. 578 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: I would say, physically, professionally, in a relationship like it's 579 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: it's always good. Sometimes being a denial can help you 580 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: in life, right, just keep your head down. You don't 581 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: want to get distracted, but there there comes a time 582 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: where you just need to face the facts and face reality. 583 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: Why do the Saints think they're so close? I don't 584 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: get it. I know I've had some Saints fans dm 585 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: me like we're five and two with Jamis. Well, Yeah, 586 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: Sean Payton, who was a fifteen million dollar coach now 587 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: is about to work for Fox. You don't have him anymore. 588 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: You have Dennis Allen who I saw Dennis Allen coach 589 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: with the Raiders. Now it wasn't all his fault team 590 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: was pretty terrible. But to me, Dennis Allen, when I've 591 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: met him, I've seen him coach. I do not think 592 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: head coach. And there's nothing wrong with being a number 593 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: two in the NFL. He was making probably three million 594 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: dollars to be the defensive coordinator for the Saints. But 595 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: they trade with the Eagles, they give him Extra's first 596 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: round pick and they end up with Crystal lave. I 597 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: just I don't know. I feel Jamis throwing picks trying 598 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: to throw it at Chrystal Lave. That's when I closed 599 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: my eyes. That's what I envisioned. I also think the 600 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: Lions who trade I don't understand Minnesota thirty two to 601 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 1: twelve and they didn't get next year's one. They got 602 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: like a third and fourth. Maybe it was like a 603 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: they like swapped second round picks and they got a third. 604 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: I just I don't quite get by Minnesota didn't get 605 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: more like that's a pretty long jump thirty two to twelve. 606 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: And I understand the Lions trying to get really good players, 607 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: but Jared Goffin Jamison Williams feel a little like oil 608 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: and water. I don't know if that's a great fit. 609 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: But Jamison Williams is a really good football player, so 610 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: I can't hate on them like you ended up getting Hutchinson, 611 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: who I'm a little nervous. We'll see what the arm length. 612 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: And Jamison Williams like, that's pretty good day. The Ravens 613 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: just had a very Ravens like draft. I said this 614 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. Drake London would have ran 615 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: a four six maybe a four six five. Do you 616 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: think if Jake London ran a four six five he 617 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: goes eighth overall. I'll tell you he does not no chance. 618 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: That's not the way it works. Google how many wide 619 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: receivers have ever had a four six and gone the 620 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: top ten. I'll tell you you don't need to it 621 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Well, he didn't run, end up going eight. 622 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's ran twice, ends up going fourteen, And if 623 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: you're what I was watching NFL Network, he didn't look happy. 624 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: And I don't blame him, because I bet Kyle Hamilton's 625 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: for the last couple of years thought I'm one of 626 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: the best players in the country. And then all season 627 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: up until he gets hurt for Notre Dame, he's kicking ass, 628 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: taking names. He's easily one of the best players in 629 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: the country. He makes week after week, play after play. 630 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know what this is, but this 631 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: is an NFL stud. This guy he's gonna be a 632 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: star in the NFL. And then because the draft process, 633 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: he ran because most guys run, and it backfired on him. 634 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: He did not run fast, and then he he fell 635 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: deeply in the I mean four team for a guy 636 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: that I thought was at one point in time was 637 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: going to compete to go in the top five. I 638 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: thought before if, if, if Kyle hamilt didn't ran a 639 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: four eight, I think there's a chance where Stingley and 640 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: SASCO's he goes to one of those two spots. He's 641 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: that good on tape, but he runs slow, and then 642 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: he ends up going fourteen. Well, who benefits the Ravens 643 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: and what happens to the Ravens. They get rid of 644 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,959 Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown, someone that they feel like they've never loved 645 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: since taking him twenty five overall several years ago, and 646 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: they end up with Kyle freaking Hamilton's. To me, the 647 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: two guys who feel like Ravens or feel like Steelers 648 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: were Jordan Davis and Kyle Hamilton's, and one of them 649 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: now is on the Ravens. And then the Ravens kind 650 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: of wheel and deal, and they also end up with 651 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: the Center, the Linden Bomb guy, the Center from Iowa 652 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: that's just a very raven z e draft end up 653 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: with a stud safety and a center high level stuff. 654 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: I also thought the Chiefs Trent McDuffie to me, the 655 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: corner from Washington, who is a stud and he's also 656 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: a really good guy. And I think one thing the 657 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: Chiefs have shown that they balanced well and and he's 658 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: always done this because he'll take some flyers on personalities, 659 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: which you have to moose. Johnson told me one time 660 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: when I was hosting a radio show. He used to 661 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: come on during the football season. He was an excellent guest, 662 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: and he said, the one thing that Jimmy Johnson taught 663 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 1: him when he was in Dallas is to build a 664 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: football team, you need two things. You need players of 665 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: character and you need characters that can play. You cannot 666 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: have a team full of choir boys, but you also 667 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 1: can't have a team full of convicts. You gotta balance 668 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: it out. And I think that Andy's always struck the 669 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: perfect balance because you know what, sometimes the best players 670 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: are gonna have some ship on their resume that you 671 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: don't love. But you also need to get some high 672 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: level guys on the team. And the Chiefs are lucky 673 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: now they got Kelsey Mahomes. They got some high level guys. 674 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: Frank Clark still around, you know, not an ideal guy, 675 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: but Trent McDuffie a plus character, I would say, like 676 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: a minus B plus player. And chick uh trade Avius 677 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: Uh Well, I didn't think they get award who uh 678 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: char charted Avious Ward, who the forty nine are signing 679 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: free agency, who was a really good player for them. 680 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: They need a cornerback, and boom they get the Washington 681 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: corner like pretty seamless transition to get a good player. 682 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: And I think they also drafted with the with the 683 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: Miami pick that they got from UH from the Tyreek 684 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: Kiel trade the pass rusher from Purdue, which I I 685 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: be honest, I don't know much about, but I'll give 686 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: each the benefit of the Daddy's pretty good at No. 687 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: One talent. But to me, McDuffie, no brainer pick. That's 688 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: an easy one. Get a high level guy, good defensive 689 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 1: plug and play starter. One question we have is the Packers, 690 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: Uh they did not take a wide receiver now, unlike 691 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: when they took Jordan's Love and Tee Higgins Brandon IUK. 692 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: A ton of good players were on the board. A 693 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: lot of the wider cit eivers had gone right, basically 694 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: all the wide receivers, the sweet ones were off the 695 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: board by about the Titans pick when they traded with 696 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: the Eagles, right Burkes Dotson was gone, Jamison Williams gone 697 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: Alive was gone, Wilson was gone. London was gone how 698 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: many how many receivers at like six, So in theory, 699 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: we're like, oh, they're gonna get one of those guys. 700 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: They were all off the board. And this is why 701 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: I said, when you traded Davantae Adams, which I think 702 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: it's insane that they traded Davantae Adams for pick twenty two. Ultimately, 703 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: the Packers drafted Quaywalker, good player started for Georgia stud 704 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: but Davonte Adams one of the greatest receivers like we've 705 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: seen like decades, and they traded him for Kuaywalker in 706 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: a second round pick. And you don't when you're not 707 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: drafting really high, you don't control who's gonna be on 708 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: the board unless you want to trade up. And let's 709 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: face it, that doesn't really feel like Gudakin style. So 710 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: he waits to see how everything shakes out. And unlike 711 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: when he screwed up with a Jordan Love pick, he 712 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: could have taken Euk or Higgins or whatever, there were 713 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: no sweet wide receivers for him to take. And this 714 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,439 Speaker 1: is not a draft with like some sweet first round 715 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: tight end either. It's a bad tight end draft. So 716 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: what do they do now? The internet is just crushing him. 717 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: Think Aaron Rodgers gonna be piste off. Immediately I go 718 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: to the interweb YouTube and I see Pat McAfee has 719 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand people watching. I love how the media 720 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: games changed. I mean that's deep down, it's got hurt 721 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: a lot of like old school traditionalist like you can 722 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: just get a hundred and twenty. I'm like, yeah, I 723 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: even thought, like, that's a lot of people watching at 724 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: eight thirty at night my time. So for him, he 725 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: lives in India, that's you know, eleven thirty at night, 726 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: and I click on, well, Aaron Rodgers on with him, 727 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, this game, I'll watch for like 728 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: five minutes. See what he's saying. Aaron was happy, and 729 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: I think we put thoughts in Aaron's head. One thing 730 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 1: Aaron mentioned multiple times is like a majority of the 731 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: core guys that I've played with over the years and 732 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: had success within one with have not been first round picks. 733 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: I have faith in that these guys can build the team, 734 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: Like ultimately we can nitpick their wide receiver situation, and 735 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, it's not great on paper. It's actually 736 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: a disaster on paper. But part of the reason you 737 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: pay a guy fifty million dollars, is he elevates the group? Right, 738 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: part of the reason you pay Nice or Steph Curry 739 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: or Lebron forty five million dollars is they elevate. Do 740 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: you know where you get screwed in the NBA when 741 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: you pay James Harden forty three million dollars and you 742 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: get throttled when it matters when you max out a 743 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: non max player in pro sports, especially in basketball and 744 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: football where there's a salary cap, you're fucked well when 745 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm max out Aaron Rodgers. If I put Lazard or 746 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: mbs over the last three years on like Jacksonville or Houston, 747 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: you wouldn't even know who they are. But I give 748 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: pring Goals and those type guys to Mahomes, to Josh Allen's, 749 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,760 Speaker 1: to Rogers, to Russell Wilson, they become really good players. 750 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: So they're gonna be guys on that Auster that we 751 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: don't know that will probably better than you think. And 752 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 1: they'll draft a guy surely in the second or third round, 753 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: a skill guy, and he'll be better than you think. 754 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: That's part of having Aaron Rodgers. Now. Is it risky? Yes? 755 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: Doesn't hurt their ability to win a super Bowl for sure. 756 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: But they're gonna be good. They're gonna make the playoffs, 757 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: now can they Like last year they were the number 758 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: one overall seed. It was shocking that the beat him. 759 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna win the Super Bowl. I 760 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: do not view them like that now. Ultimately, I know 761 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: Colin talks is. They don't even care. He's just cool 762 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: making fifty million dollars, winning eleven games and getting knocked 763 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: out in the first round. Maybe, but I also think, 764 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: you know, you got to Aaron's not gonna watch every 765 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: guy in the draft. Of course Aaron wants a wide receiver. Well, 766 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: who's available? What do we have to trade? Now? You 767 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,879 Speaker 1: could argue, should you just operate like the ramp? Should 768 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: they have traded up and gotten Jamis Williams. Should they 769 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: have taken both those picks and went up and got 770 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: Chris Lava or Jamis Williams. You can make that argument, 771 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: and I could say, yeah, not crazy. And if you 772 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,240 Speaker 1: gave Chris Lave, Garrett Wilson, Jamis Williams one of those guys. Obviously, 773 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: Jamis is a uh. Jamison has a torn a c 774 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: L but he'll be back, so he wouldn't be able 775 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,240 Speaker 1: to practice with Aaron, so it might be more realistic 776 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: Lave or Wilson, like should should you have done something 777 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: like that? Maybe, but it's easy to say it's another thing, well, 778 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: what if both these guys and they have one of 779 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: the better defenses in the league. I'm just trying to 780 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: understand both sides because I think it's so easy for 781 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: everyone to shoot on everyone and just say these guys 782 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: are village idiot's. Like, I'll give Brian Goudikins credit. I've 783 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: watched him be a GM now for three and a 784 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: half years. He's good. He screwed up on Jordan's Love. 785 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: That was a bad pick, but we've talked about at 786 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,280 Speaker 1: the time, Aaron Rodgers not played that well. Brian Goudikins 787 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: also hired Matt Lafleur, who has also been good. Like, 788 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. I'm impressed you're not gonna 789 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: hit on every pick. Did this draft shake out for them? No? 790 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: It did not. Defensively it did, but obviously offensively. Could 791 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: they have used one of these guys, of course they 792 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: could have, but they were drafting way far down and 793 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: I just you know, now the Packers just he's just 794 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: gonna be a huge conversation. But watching Aaron with Pat, 795 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: I don't think he's freaking out like most probably fans 796 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: are freaking out or people on the internet are freaking out, 797 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: And honestly, maybe he doesn't care that much. I also 798 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: think it shows you, man, we we love quarterback inflation 799 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: was real. You cannot win in the NFL without a quarterback, 800 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: Like it's obviously, John, Why why do you even say that? 801 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: We know? But I think we've tried to force all 802 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks every year last year, like Trevor Lawrence, can't 803 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 1: miss guy, Like listen, Tray Lance is a long way 804 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,360 Speaker 1: to go. I've seen him enough at practice to go 805 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: that the guy was top five pick in any draft. 806 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: Zack Wilson. I'm not the biggest fan, but his one 807 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: year I get it. He is very, very physically gifted. 808 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: Mac Jones, kenn He Pickett can't hold Mac Jones. Jock 809 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: Justin Fields was a big time prospect this draft. This 810 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: notion that quarterbacks and all these quarterbacks have to go 811 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 1: in the first round. We've seen how that's worked out 812 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: for several years now. Sam Donald's and the Josh Rosen's 813 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: and like, no, you don't have to overdraft guys. And 814 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: we've seen it earlier in the decade with the Sam 815 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: Ponder's husband and Blaine Gabberson, you know, Jake Lockers and 816 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: those type guys. If a guy is not a first 817 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: round quarterback, he's not a first round quarterback. Is that simple? 818 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: Like this is an economic exercise. Jimmy Garoppolo, Andy Dalton, 819 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: Derek cart those guys went in the second round and 820 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: rightfully so. And you get really good with Dak Prescott 821 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: when you draft a guy like that in the second round. 822 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: But at the time, Jimmy Garopolo should not have been 823 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: a first round pick. Dak Prescott probably felt a little 824 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: bit because he got a d wire before the draft. 825 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott shouldn't have been a top fifty pick. Now 826 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 1: it's turned out he's a really good starting quarterback. But 827 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: that what you become in the NFL is not what 828 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,320 Speaker 1: you were at the point of purchase. We we do 829 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: this exercise a lot with Holmes. Right, you bought a 830 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: home five years ago for seven in well, right now 831 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: it's worth one point nine Well, you wouldn't have paid 832 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 1: one point nine four five years ago because it was 833 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,240 Speaker 1: worth seven hundred thousand dollars. So yeah, in two thousand 834 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: twenty two, as you're lay in bed, your house is 835 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: doubled in value, more than doubled to two and a 836 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: half x. Dak Prescott was one of the great picks 837 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones ever had. He's got a starting quarterback for 838 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: a decade in the fourth round. But at the time 839 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: when he drafted him proper price, he paid the correct 840 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 1: price for the player, and I think we have to 841 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: look at quarterbacks like that. These guys value. Trying to 842 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,839 Speaker 1: force these guys in the first round was just insanity. 843 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: They weren't first round players. Canny pick it to me 844 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: was not a first round player. I get it, the 845 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,760 Speaker 1: Steelers need a quarterback, but like they went from roethlis 846 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger for seventeen or eighteen years. You ever fucking walked 847 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: by Roethlisberger. He looks like shock, like a white Shaquille O'Neal. 848 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,800 Speaker 1: He's enormous and before he got old, it was awesome. 849 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: I can't image bagine And I get it, like you 850 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: don't just go to get to go from Roethlisberger to 851 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: another Roethlisberger. But I would have a hard time just 852 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,839 Speaker 1: like taking some random just because I thought we needed 853 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 1: a quarterback. I don't know. Man, Well, what a night. 854 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: I'm exhausted. I'm gonna go sleep. Hopefully feel good about 855 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: your team's pick. And even if you don't, that guy 856 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: might turn out to be sweet and the guy that 857 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: you wanted might turn out to suck. That's a great 858 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: part about the draft. You really have no clue what's coming. Uh? 859 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,919 Speaker 1: What a night? What a night? 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