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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull.

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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so

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Speaker 2: many players say, well, I want to be happy. You

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Speaker 2: want to be happy for day Edo State?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoo? And now Dan and tie Dan Robinstein.

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Speaker 1: We have two weeks of the regular season left, my friend.

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Speaker 1: It is a pleasure as always to be back with

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Speaker 1: you for this Tuesday episode, Sir, how goes it good?

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Speaker 2: Does that mean two more weeks of yelling about what

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Speaker 2: I'm going to assume is Oklahoma football?

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Speaker 1: Right? Is?

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Speaker 2: I don't know which team you think is going to

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Speaker 2: be the core of this molten hot lava mountain of

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Speaker 2: takes that we're going to have in front of us

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Speaker 2: these next few weeks, But it feels like Oklahoma might

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Speaker 2: be right in that that middle portion.

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Speaker 1: Right, I think Oklahoma Miami Miami, so they're Dame and

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Speaker 1: there will definitely be And we got a question about this,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk about that in a bit. Yeah, about how

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Speaker 1: many SEC teams are going to get into the field

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Speaker 1: of twelve some combination of those four things, teams, conversations, topics,

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Speaker 1: whatever that is going to be where the molten hot

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll bring take a toe out for some of

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Speaker 1: these creams. Take a toe out, yeah, down the stretch here.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we're getting into the thick of it, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: We are. I mean I could see my team Oregon,

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Speaker 2: that conversation, USC getting involved in that conversation there. I

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Speaker 2: think it extends beyond and then you start talking about

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Speaker 2: the teams that they've played, and like Miszoo starts getting

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Speaker 2: involved in that conversation just looking at them as an

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Speaker 2: a referendum on what Miszoo is or isn't as an opponent.

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Speaker 2: There's so much meat on the take bone.

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Speaker 1: Tie and then maybe maybe just like a drizzle of

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Speaker 1: in that conversation. So we're going to go through a

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Speaker 1: bunch of that and much much more. We are not

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Speaker 1: doing the early look aheads on this episode because right

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Speaker 1: now it's looking like it's going to be a slim

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Speaker 1: really big games and the rest are certainly interesting in

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Speaker 1: their own right, and we will talk about those on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: but we wanted to save all of that for Thursday,

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Speaker 1: mainly so we had something to talk about corrat means

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Speaker 1: are going to go through a multitude of questions. We're

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Speaker 1: also going to reveal the poll and how that translates

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Speaker 1: to a bracket in just a little bit as well.

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Speaker 1: So we've got a lot to talk about, even if

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Speaker 1: it's not the normal stuff that we talk about on

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Speaker 2: Yes, are you mentally prepared though? As we look ahead

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Speaker 2: for Mercer to beat Auburn. That's my question nine and

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Speaker 2: one Mercer, Yeah, absolute fcs strong, strong dog the dog. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: We've got a lot to get to. I'm very excited,

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Speaker 2: but thank you to the SEC for scheduling. I think

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Speaker 2: Eastern Illinois is in there. I think Samford is in there.

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Speaker 2: The Mercer bears. I should have said a strong bear,

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Speaker 2: yea Eastern Illinois one to nine, Charlotte is in there,

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Speaker 2: we should say Coastal Carolina kind of an average season,

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Speaker 1: Why don't we start where we one of the places

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Speaker 1: the Ever Bawler Top twelve poll. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: It starts to look a little bit different. Georgia is

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Speaker 1: As many of you are listening to this on a

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Speaker 1: Would have number seven Old Miss hosting number ten Notre Dame,

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Speaker 2: You can look at what a team has and hasn't

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe I could, I could, I could. But what

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm still an A and M guy, but it's

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Speaker 1: I totally agree, And even though I might not fully

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Speaker 1: which is that the season is a living, breathing thing,

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Speaker 2: But they've had other close calls, and they have not

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Speaker 2: things have shaken out in the conference in a way

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Speaker 2: if somebody were insistent on Georgia at three with a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think because in that Cincinnati season,

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Speaker 1: the loudest when that conversation has had Dan, As you know,

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Speaker 1: It's been a minute since we did a mail bag episode.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive on in. Congratulations Skippy, you've got mail, You've

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Speaker 1: to offer. First start with this one from Bob, Ohio

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Speaker 1: State or the Field. Can anyone beat this year's Ohio

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Speaker 1: I said, you get Ohio State or you get the

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Speaker 1: Sure, do you think it's fair that Bob points out

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Speaker 2: It's all relative. If you're an Ohio State fan, you

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Speaker 2: But once again, we haven't seen them measured against the

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Speaker 2: There's not much you can pick on with Julian saying,

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Speaker 1: I think they're complete. I have not seen anybody get

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I have learned to proceed with caution

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Speaker 2: So what do you need? What do you need?

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Speaker 1: What is your anatomy of an upset? Here to use?

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Speaker 2: Who was it was any saying that over and over again?

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Speaker 2: Or anatomy of a comeback? I think it was Booger

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Speaker 1: Does he say that as much as he says, no doubt?

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Speaker 2: So what to you is the immediate factor where you're like,

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Speaker 1: It needs to be a team that does not have

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Speaker 2: held down the best of you know, they haven't won

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Speaker 2: any forty seven, forty three games this season. No, they've

436
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Speaker 2: held teams to ten, twenty three, twenty twenty seven against ODU.

437
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Speaker 2: But they're scoring all the time, so it's a possession

438
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Speaker 2: thing as well. And that's a good ODU team. They won,

439
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Speaker 2: they held gave up fourteen seven, ten thirteen. They gave

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Speaker 2: up twenty eight to Louisville week two on the road,

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Speaker 2: and ten the week before that to a Weaver State

442
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Speaker 2: team that doesn't even play on this level. I think

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Speaker 2: JMU is the answer. I do think I agree with

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Speaker 2: you in JMU. The great thing about him is they

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Speaker 2: force a ton of three and outs. They are I believe,

446
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Speaker 2: terrific on third down on defense, and so that I mean,

447
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Speaker 2: that's its own skill, figuring out ways to confuse and

448
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Speaker 2: get off the field quickly. I don't trust them to

449
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Speaker 2: do it. But of these teams, if you're giving me

450
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Speaker 2: the choice of, you know, a potentially game changing quarterback

451
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Speaker 2: performance combined with the ability to get off the field

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Speaker 2: on defense. I think it's James Madison, who, by the way,

453
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Speaker 2: Sidebar should absolutely have been hosting or have been whatever,

454
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Speaker 2: should absolutely be hosting Game Day this week the head

455
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Speaker 2: of their matchup against Wazoo, that should be out of

456
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Speaker 2: Harrisonburg this week. And they're going to ask the Oregon

457
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Speaker 2: which I don't know. That doesn't That doesn't get me

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Speaker 2: going like it used to when Game Day would go

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Speaker 2: to Oregon. They're already there this year for the Indiana game.

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Speaker 2: They should be a JMU or like Brawl of the

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Speaker 2: Wild or something. Yeah, I agree, take the opportunity. I

462
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Speaker 2: completely agree, But I think the answer is JMU and

463
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Speaker 2: I you're right to bring up the quarterback thing. Alonza

464
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Speaker 2: Barnett's had a good year. He's had a good year,

465
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Speaker 2: and he's dynamic. He's a runner, he's a thrower. They

466
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Speaker 2: can do a lot with.

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Speaker 1: Him, and they have.

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Speaker 2: They've been very easy. He's a trek star.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Tulane has a little bit of the same

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Speaker 1: going on with Jake Retzliff, But I don't think Tulaane

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Speaker 1: is a team is as good right now as JMU.

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Speaker 2: Also, they're starting Seinfeld and Jurassic Parks Wayne Knight at

473
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Speaker 2: starting running back tie. How could you not like their

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Speaker 2: tailback is Wayne Knight Television's Wayne Knight. Let's go Nate,

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Speaker 2: Nate says.

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Speaker 1: Stu Mandel said that the SEC might get five or

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Speaker 1: six teams into the playoff. WHOA, that's crazy, right? The fifth,

478
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Speaker 1: the sixth place team in any conference are just not

479
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Speaker 1: that good, even in the vaunted SEC. This isn't so

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Speaker 1: much a question as it is I think a comment

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Speaker 1: from Nate, Right, do you agree.

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Speaker 2: With that that that's too many teams for any one

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Speaker 2: conference to send to the playoff?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? The fifth, the sixth place team in that conference,

485
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Speaker 1: in any conference, just isn't that good.

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Speaker 2: If there were six SEC teams in the playoff, it

487
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Speaker 2: would be such a disservice to the sport. It would

488
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Speaker 2: be so god awful for this sport to send. I

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Speaker 2: guess in this case would be Vanderbilt.

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Speaker 1: It would be either Vandy or if something really comes

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Speaker 1: off to Swivel, Texas.

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Speaker 2: If it were happened, if were to happen today, it

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Speaker 2: would be Vanderbilt.

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Speaker 1: Likely, right, correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't I don't see how you can do

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Speaker 2: that today. I don't see how you can do six

497
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Speaker 2: is seven bridges to are let alone a bridge too far. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would, I would hesitate about what this playoff actually is.

499
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Speaker 2: If we're sending half of the field from one conference,

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Speaker 2: we can have conversations about, you know, who has earned it,

501
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Speaker 2: you know up until now, right up, like what are

502
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Speaker 2: the qualifications, what are the resumes? Like Vandy is number

503
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Speaker 2: twelve right now in the country and the a people

504
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Speaker 2: which has no meaning. No, but that's just conversationally where

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Speaker 2: some people who follow the sport closely. Not all of

506
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Speaker 2: the people that vote follow the sport closely, but some

507
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Speaker 2: of the people who follow the sport closely have said

508
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Speaker 2: Vandy is the twelfth best team in the country them

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Speaker 2: I getting am I looking at the right pole?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you're looking at the latest round of polling,

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah. In the AP Vanderbilt is currently twelve. In

512
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Speaker 1: the Coach's poll, they are thirteenth, and if you go

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Speaker 1: back to last week's college football playoff rankings, they were

514
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Speaker 1: number fourteen, right, so they're right there. They're behind Utah,

515
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Speaker 1: behind they were behind Oklahoma and Texas. That will likely

516
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Speaker 1: change their one spot ahead of Miami and two spots

517
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Speaker 1: ahead of Georgia Tech as well. So there are a

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Speaker 1: bunch of teams I think in that eleven through even

519
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Speaker 1: eighteen range that are supremely interesting. In this conversation, I

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Speaker 1: agree because truly none of them are really out of

521
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Speaker 1: it yet. We'll see how this week shakes out. But

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Speaker 1: part of the reason why I think I am so

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Speaker 1: excited about Week fourteen is we're going to see all

524
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Speaker 1: of this break. It's all going to break sort of

525
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Speaker 1: in tandem, and it's going to make for a massive

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Speaker 1: week of football. I was telling you earlier. The games

527
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Speaker 1: on Black Friday are enormous, the games on Saturday are enormous.

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Speaker 2: We're going to have.

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Speaker 1: Maybe our most watched show live on Saturday night. Just

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Speaker 1: the response to what we're going to see go down

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Speaker 1: in Rivalry week, because there's a lot that really could

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Speaker 1: go on here. So many different posts stabilities I think

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Speaker 1: are still on the table. There will also be full

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Speaker 1: nudity on that episode. I don't know if that's going

535
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Speaker 1: to turn people on to the watching it live. You

536
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Speaker 1: need to create AI avatars so that it's a little

537
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Speaker 1: bit more appealing to the.

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Speaker 2: That's true, No, Okay, So like what are you considering now?

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Speaker 2: Obviously you're considering the final two weeks of the season,

540
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Speaker 2: and that's something that's an unknown right now. But when

541
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Speaker 2: you look at teams in this conversation, like Miami Utah,

542
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Speaker 2: you know, Georgia Tech has the opportunity to win the

543
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Speaker 2: conference and get in no matter what. But you mentioned

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Speaker 2: things getting screwy with Texas or take your pick, Virginia Oklahoma. Obviously,

545
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Speaker 2: in this conversation, like we mentioned the top, BYU is

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Speaker 2: sitting the possibility of going eleven and one, like I

547
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Speaker 2: think a pretty reasonable possibility, right yep. For BYU, they

548
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Speaker 2: finished the season with a difficult Cincinnati this weekend and

549
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Speaker 2: then a UCF team that seems pretty beatable at the

550
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Speaker 2: moment for a team like BYU. So what are you

551
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Speaker 2: considering with these teams? What's going what's working for them

552
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Speaker 2: and what's working against them in your mind without having

553
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Speaker 2: the balance of their schedule back up.

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Speaker 1: One second, okay, more to the point, just put a

555
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Speaker 1: bone on what I was just saying. Please, it's going

556
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Speaker 1: to be week thirteen, so we're still, you know, a

557
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Speaker 1: week and a half out from rivalry week. But there

558
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Speaker 1: are three games in particular, three and a half games

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Speaker 1: let's say that I think are going to determine a

560
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Speaker 1: lot the first is on Friday Night. The first is

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Speaker 1: Texas versus Texas A and M. I think Texas A

562
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Speaker 1: and M is probably in regardless at this point, I'm

563
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Speaker 1: going to drive two games. Texas A and M is

564
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Speaker 1: more than likely going to be in this playoff field

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Speaker 1: barring some sort of crazy disaster that I have yet

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Speaker 1: to determine. How that seemed possible. I don't think Texas

567
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Speaker 1: has a way in, But if everything breaks again, could

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Speaker 1: they get a chance. Maybe? I don't know, but again

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's likely either. Texas knocking off Texas

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Speaker 1: A and M I think could have a big impact

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Speaker 1: on where teams are seated, right, So that's one thing

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Speaker 1: to watch on that front.

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Speaker 2: Texas A and M currently project it as a sixty

574
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Speaker 2: six to negative eight winner over Samford for sp plus great.

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Speaker 1: Great. The second game that I am very interested in,

576
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Speaker 1: and I think the ultimate agent of chaos these last

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Speaker 1: two weeks is Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech has a big game,

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Speaker 1: an enormous game against Pitt this week, followed by a

579
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Speaker 1: year ender, clean old fashioned hate against Georgia. Now, obviously,

580
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Speaker 1: if they were to lose to Pit this week, that

581
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Speaker 1: could pretty much submarine it would submarine their ACC chances.

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Speaker 1: If they win, they could in all likelihood they will

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Speaker 1: in all likelihood go to the ACC championship game.

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Speaker 2: So if they lose to Pit, then who in turn

585
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Speaker 2: plays for the accam putting you.

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Speaker 1: All, well, then we got to go and we got

587
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Speaker 1: to see what happens the following week. Yeah, of course,

588
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Speaker 1: all right, So if they win, they're in. If they lose,

589
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Speaker 1: then there's a whole bunch of possibilities they're depending on

590
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Speaker 1: a lot of help. Absolutely, if Georgia Tech were to

591
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Speaker 1: knock off Georgia, that brings into the conversation a whole

592
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Speaker 1: range of other possibilities with their to seating. It probably

593
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Speaker 1: has some impact on the lower end of that college

594
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Speaker 1: football playoff field. Right, We're looking at who's in the

595
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Speaker 1: top twelve, who's in the top ten, who gets bumped out,

596
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Speaker 1: who gets left in? All of these things that think

597
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Speaker 1: play a factor. If Georgia Tech wins, how far up

598
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Speaker 1: do they vault? Who else might they knock back? Right,

599
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Speaker 1: even a team like a Notre Dame could be vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: If Georgia Tech were to beat Pitt and then beat Georgia,

601
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Speaker 1: suddenly Georgia Tech's probably a top ten team and their

602
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Speaker 1: shoulder in some teams out. So if they go on

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Speaker 1: that run, they're very very interesting to follow.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're shouldering teams out regardless because they have the

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Speaker 2: opportunity to just win.

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Speaker 1: The ACC potentially potentially, And that's a separate conversation, but

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Speaker 1: just in terms of the games that they have left

608
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Speaker 1: totally different than the conference championship game, which they may

609
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Speaker 1: or may not be a part of. If you win

610
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Speaker 1: those two games, that makes things really interesting, I think,

611
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Speaker 1: is in particular on the back end of that college

612
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Speaker 1: football playoff ranking. And then the third game that I

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Speaker 1: would add I'm not necessarily going to include Miami pitt

614
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Speaker 1: in here, even though I'm very interested in that. The

615
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Speaker 1: third one is one I've been talking up and it's

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Speaker 1: one that everyone knows about already, and that's Michigan against

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. Now, even though Ohio State to me feels

618
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Speaker 1: inevitable and even though I still am inclined to pick

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Speaker 1: them as a national championship come hell or high water,

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Speaker 1: at this point, whether they lose, whether they win against Michigan,

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Speaker 1: they're still going to get into that playoff field. Sure,

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Speaker 1: But Michigan knocking off Ohio State opens up a whole

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Speaker 1: range of possibilities in the Big Ten. Right Well, that

624
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Speaker 1: game eliminates Ohio State from the Big Ten Championship. If

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Speaker 1: they were to lose, that eliminates Ohio State from the

626
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Speaker 1: Big Ten Championship. Indiana in all I coilhood gets in,

627
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Speaker 1: you know, going undefeated. But depending on what goes down

628
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Speaker 1: this week with say USC Oregon, depending on what goes

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Speaker 1: down the remainder of the season, there's a good number

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Speaker 1: of teams that can still find their way into that

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Speaker 1: Big Ten Championship game. It is not likely that a

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Speaker 1: team like a USC could make it, but it is

633
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Speaker 1: certainly not out of the realm of possibilities. Michigan knocking

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Speaker 1: you off Ohio State for what would this be fourth

635
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Speaker 1: fifth straight year or whatever it is, that would make

636
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Speaker 1: things incredibly complicated in the Big Ten and it would

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Speaker 1: definitely have far ranging impact again on the bottom end

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Speaker 1: of that college Football playoff ranking. So for me as

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Speaker 1: a Notre Dame fan, I think if you're a BYU fan,

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Speaker 1: I think if you're a fan of any of those Utah,

641
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Speaker 1: any of those teams sort of on the bottom cusp

642
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Speaker 1: of the college Football playoff rankings, and we'll see how

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Speaker 1: they treat a team like a Notre Dame this week.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it is safe for you if

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Speaker 1: you are even at number nine right now, I think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot that could go on that could still

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Speaker 1: shoulder you out.

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Speaker 2: So keep those games in mind.

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Speaker 1: Those are the three that I think have the most

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Speaker 1: potential to make things really really weird. I don't know

651
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: if that answers your question, but that's how I am

652
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: thinking about who gets in and who doesn't get in.

653
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: In terms of the SEC getting five or six in,

654
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, I don't feel great either about one conference

655
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: getting six teams in the playoff. I think it's a

656
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: little bit excessive. I would like to see a little

657
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: bit more of an even distribution. I don't think I'm

658
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: alone in that. Certainly everybody outside the SEC feels that way.

659
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm no different. But the way that the rankings are

660
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: set up right now, there is I think a slim

661
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: but very real possibility they could get six in.

662
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: The idea of like a three loss Oklahoma team getting

663
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 2: in if they were to go down to who they

664
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: have miszoo. The idea of like a three loss Oklahoma

665
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: team getting in over like a two loss BYU team

666
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: kind of rubs me the wrong way because that it

667
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: might mean that BYU loses to what Texas Tech twice? Yep,

668
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: I just I'm not into the idea of like the

669
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: possibility of six SEC teams getting in is just like

670
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: laughable to me, Like what what stands out? So my

671
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: question to you was, like what stands out to you

672
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: as like the more intriguing elements of teams resumes in

673
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: cases for or against that are in this conversation, Like

674
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: is there anything about Miami that perhaps we are under selling?

675
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 2: Is there anything about Notre Dame? Is there anything about Utah?

676
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: Is there anything about you know, Oregon? Is there anything

677
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: about Oklahoma? Is there anything you know that? Like should

678
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: we how much should we be considering Oklahoma's lost to

679
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: Texas because John Mattier was coming back from surgery. By

680
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: the way, Oklahoma decided to start him right, he didn't

681
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 2: force their hand, not no pun intended. But I'm glad

682
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: we went there that. You know, how much do we

683
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: weigh things like that? You know that Miszoo lost to Vanderbilt,

684
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 2: but Bo Prabula got hurt in that game. Bo Brabula

685
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: was not effective in that game, to be clear, against Vandy.

686
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 2: But like, what are the contexts of resumes in these

687
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: conversational teams that you think are pertinent to include.

688
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what interests me the most, Okay,

689
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: And obviously I'm not in a position to decide what

690
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: should count and what shouldn't. What I am most interested in,

691
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: especially this time of year, is when the committee puts

692
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: a two loss team over a one loss team. Okay,

693
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: you know so BYU is a really good example of that, right,

694
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: BYU has one loss. BYU is behind a bunch of

695
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: teams right now.

696
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: They were not competitive in that loss. They were not

697
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: competitive in that loss. I understand that.

698
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: But BYU right now, at nine to one, is behind

699
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: a two loss Oklahoma two loss, Notre Dame two loss, Alabama. Personally,

700
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't think BYU beats any of those teams. I'm

701
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: not sure BYU beats any of the teams in front

702
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: of them. Right they had a shot against Texas Tech.

703
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: They got smoked, right, But I'm curious to hear how

704
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: the playoff committee rationalizes putting them behind.

705
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: On a certain level. I get it because the strength

706
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: of BYU's performance this season has been mixed. Right, double

707
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: overtime against Arizona. Arizona is a good team, but double

708
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: overtime against Arizona. So when you have the opportunity, if

709
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: you're in a conference that does not have as many

710
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 2: headliners to make statements against the opponents in that conference

711
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: and you're beating Colorado by three. Right, Again, this doesn't

712
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: mean that BYU is overrated, but I'm saying the full

713
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: context of the BYU argument is like, let's look at

714
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: how they performed against who they had to play against,

715
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: and it's not always the best. And to that end,

716
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: by the way, I thought they had their most complete

717
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: game this past weekend against TCU, a quality team that

718
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: they ran away from immediately and performed. Did they have

719
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: four sacks? Like? They overwhelmed TCU on the lines, Bear

720
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: Bachmeier had an excellent game, they ran well. It was

721
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 2: a very nice statement win for BYU when they haven't

722
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: always had, you know, they haven't always made them. So

723
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 2: I think they're on the uptick right now. Person.

724
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that the winkles, I think along with that

725
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: conversation or what I'm most interested in Miami, I think

726
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: is really interesting too.

727
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: So what are other wrinkles do you do? You see?

728
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: What are the the what is it called when you

729
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: look at your eyes at the crow's feet? Is that

730
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: what the wrinkles? I suppose you look pretty good, ty,

731
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: being like in your mid to late forties, you look

732
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: honestly terrific.

733
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: Continue Miami is really interesting to me because obviously had

734
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: the win over Notre Dame, lost at home against Louisville,

735
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: lost on the road at SMU. Right, I don't believe

736
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: either is ranked at this point.

737
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: What is their strongest win since that Notre Dame one?

738
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: What is the strongest win? And you should include Notre Dame,

739
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: but that is week one, which we should devalue a

740
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 2: little bit but not fully devalue. So that's a great

741
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: win for Miami. What is the the strength of performance

742
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: index for them? For you, like in the ACC what

743
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: is that performance? You're like, yeah, that that was their day.

744
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: They looked really good this past week against NC State.

745
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: Totally Yes, I thought they looked awesome against NC State,

746
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: But I think it's an open question looking at the

747
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: rest of the schedule to your point of what was

748
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: the most impressive. The way that they mopped up on

749
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: South Florida I thought was intriguing because South Farda's holiday

750
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: team been a ranked team there. If nothing more, they're

751
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 1: certainly a quality team. Forty nine to twelve.

752
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: They killed them, and I would have Miami coming out

753
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: of the American because of it.

754
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: Continue, you know, but you know you're short on other

755
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: marquee wins that I think you really hang your hat on.

756
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: Also true about Notre Dame to some extent. The USC

757
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 2: question sure is like their kind of loan data point here.

758
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: It is.

759
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: It is, So I guess the question on the Miami

760
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: front that we're going to have to come to grips

761
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: with is they beat Notre Dame week one, then lost

762
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: to what could end up being two unranked teams. Now,

763
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: if they beat Pitt, if Pitt wins this week against

764
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, that'll be a ranked opponent in all likelihood.

765
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how the Committee is going to feel

766
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: about Pitt, but I think if they beat Tech they'll

767
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: be ranked again. So there's a pretty good chance that

768
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: they'll they'll have a win over a good team if

769
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: they can get past Pitt.

770
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: And that's on the road.

771
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: Losing to two unranked opponents I think really works against them.

772
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: Even though they did beat a team like Notre Dame

773
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:30,959
Speaker 1: and by the way, there are other teams in front

774
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: of Miami too. It's not just Miami versus Notre Dame

775
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: a playoff spot. There's a handful of other schools that

776
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: I think if you can pair resumes heads up, there's

777
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: a pretty good chance that those schools get the NOD.

778
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: Yes. And by the way, the win over pit was

779
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: not nothing for Notre Dame. I should say they were ranked.

780
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: They've won a bunch of games. It's a quality win.

781
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: They won that game on the road. It was a

782
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: somewhat hostile crowd. I would say in Akrasher Is that

783
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: where it is Akroscher Stadium.

784
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: Pitt's gonna beat Georgia Tech in Miami, think so I do.

785
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: They're gonna They're gonna win both those games.

786
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay, by the way, we should point I mean

787
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: you sort of alluded to the fact that Miami's loss

788
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: could be to two unranked teams. That what you were saying, Yeah,

789
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: I mean Louisville just watched the Clemson SMU is like

790
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: kind of still in it for the Acs.

791
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: They dare much they much They're they're in the others

792
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: receiving votes category right now.

793
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could make a huge leap in the A people.

794
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: But SMU is in a really interesting spot. They've got

795
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: a game this week against Louisville. They've got a game

796
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: next week against SMU. In theory, they should win both

797
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: those games. Those look like two winnable games.

798
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: Not Louisville SMU is playing. They're not playing SMU.

799
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: SMU is playing Louisville and SMU is playing cal What

800
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: did I sell there? You go?

801
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: You said SMU is playing SMU.

802
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: Now they do in practice, But yeah, on Saturday, they'll

803
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: be playing against a different opponent. There's a pretty good

804
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: chance that SMU is favorite of both those games and

805
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: wins both those games. Yes, And so what ends up

806
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: happening if they do win out, if Georgia Tech wins

807
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: their game, and if Virginia also wins their remaining game

808
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: against Virginia Tech, then suddenly, yeah, we've got a three

809
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: way tie atop the ACC. The NOD would go to

810
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech and Virginia over SMU. But a lot of times,

811
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: as we get deeper into these tie breakers, it's based

812
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: on conference opponent win percentage. And this is the part

813
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: of it that I can't really calculate too many like permutations, Okay,

814
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: so there are definite ways that even in that scenario,

815
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: based on what goes on elsewhere in the ACC, SMU

816
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: could still end up getting the NOD over you know Whoever.

817
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: So this is all to say, yes, SMU is very

818
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: much still in this No, they're not ranked, but SMU

819
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: was in the ACC Title Game of year ago. SMU

820
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: could have won the ACC Title Game a year ago.

821
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: SMU was in the playoff a year ago. This is

822
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: still a pretty good team, still a pretty good team.

823
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: Even more specifically so since the bye week, SMU just

824
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: to spotlight them for thirty seconds longer. They They were

825
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: disastrous on defense before the bye, giving up a ton two,

826
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 2: TCU and Baylor. Since then eighteen ten, twenty four, thirteen,

827
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: twenty and thirteen, and if you don't believe in the

828
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: voodoo of the letdown, look ahead sandwich tie. They beat

829
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: Clemson on the road, they beat Miami at home, and

830
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: in between they lost to Wake Forest on the road.

831
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: Their defense has quietly become like a top twenty ish

832
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 2: unit once again. They're one of the best, like five

833
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: or seven red zone defenses in America. They have an

834
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: absolute opportunity to be like America's grower of the year, support,

835
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 2: Colan support, local farmers support.

836
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Shout out to Dino by the way out on Spotify.

837
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: You see he loves the letdowns and the look aheads.

838
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: Oh good, big fan. Not really?

839
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to this one from ephrin Okay, which

840
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: conference is the best?

841
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: Okay? He goes.

842
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: Your opinion is the only one that matters. It has

843
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: to be one singular conference. It can't be like, yeah,

844
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 1: the ACC is parody, but the Big twelve is better.

845
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: Teams at the top. I will use your claims in

846
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: any argument I have. Thank you, it's the best conference? Dan,

847
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: what do you think?

848
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 2: Top to bottom?

849
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: Who's the best conference?

850
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 2: So it's it's extremely personal. So is it top to

851
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: bottom entertaining? Is it top to bottom? Like if everybody

852
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: was head to head and played like one hundred and

853
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: thirty sixteen playoff, who would have the most impressive performances

854
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 2: in the aggregate?

855
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a bring me a rock type question? Right?

856
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: What does government mean to you type question?

857
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Of course agree.

858
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: Everything is sort of relative pound for pound. I think

859
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: the SEC is the best conference. I think the SEC

860
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: is deeper. I think if you take the fifth the

861
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: sixth best team in the SEC and put them up

862
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: against Illinois. I guess in the Big Ten, whoever in

863
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve or the ACC, I would be inclined

864
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: to go SEC in most of those matchups. I also

865
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: think the bottom of the SEC is dramatically better than

866
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: the bottom of some of the other conferences that would

867
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: be in this conversation right right. The bottom of the

868
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 1: SEC is clearly better than the bottom of the Big Twelve.

869
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: It's clearly better in the bottom of the ACC. It's

870
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: clearly better than the bottom of the Big Ten. So

871
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: I think in terms of overall depth, maybe the heights

872
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: aren't quite as high as say the Big Ten, but

873
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: overall conference depth, for me, I think the ACC is

874
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: deepest and best.

875
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: I think this year it's the SEC. I agree with you.

876
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: This year, I agree because of the depth that there

877
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: have been close losses by the teams at the bottom,

878
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: even some wins at the bottom over teams perceived to

879
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: be nearer in that top grouping. And so I'm with you.

880
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 2: I think when you look at the metric that I

881
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: looked at immediately was like, how many good to really

882
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: good quarterbacks do do each of these conferences have? And

883
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: I think the SEC has the most in this moment

884
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: where like, if Lenora Sellers is having like the eleventh

885
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: best season of the quarterbacks in your conference, then that's

886
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: probably the conference. And so when I went through the

887
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 2: Big Twelve, when I went through the Big Ten, there's

888
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: just the chunk of quarterbacks at the bottom of these

889
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: other conferences gave me the willies to such an extent

890
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: that I could not even consider them, Like if you're

891
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: talking to me about considering, you know, a Wisconsin quarterback situation,

892
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: Preston Stone at Northwestern and like all these dudes, and

893
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: all due respect, of course, but it becomes very difficult

894
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: for me when you look at the bottom half of

895
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks and the Big Ten to say, like, yeah,

896
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: that's the that's where we are as a country. The

897
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 2: Big Ten is who we are. So no, I think

898
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: it's the SEC this season, but not in such a

899
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: way that I don't think that I just just sort

900
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 2: of put myself into a corner. Grammatically, I don't think

901
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: the SEC is impenetrable. I've used that word twice on

902
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: this episode. Now. I don't think they are head and shoulders,

903
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: that the top is head and shoulders above the best

904
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: of the sport but as a conference in terms of entertainment,

905
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: quarterback play, number of game changing players at various positions,

906
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 2: it's the SEC this year.

907
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: I think I'm in agreement with you. Yes, Dale, move on,

908
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: let's go to this one. This came in via email

909
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: from Eric. Which team's coaching search is the biggest domino

910
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: during the current coaching carousel?

911
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: Texas?

912
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: Oh?

913
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: Was I not supposed to say that yet?

914
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: A Look, if Sark decides he wants to go to

915
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: the NFL, that'd be a pretty big domino.

916
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, the publicly known I've just educated making that

917
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: up Texas thing. The publicly known coach opening that is

918
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: going to be the biggest domino to me is likely Florida.

919
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: I think this is the wrong question, to be honest

920
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: with you, What is the right question? I think the

921
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: right question is which coach and not which coaching opening.

922
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: Like which coach's decision?

923
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: I think lane Kiffin's the biggest domino. I think Lane

924
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: Kiffin's the one that any number of vacancies out there

925
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: would love to have Lane Kiffin, right, whether it's Florida,

926
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: whether it's Llos, who, even Penn State. You know, pretty

927
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: much everybody across the board to take Lane Kiffin at

928
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: this point, and you know, we have seen sort of

929
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: this hierarchy of potential coach candidates that have been floated

930
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: out there for any number of jobs. Now, right, it's

931
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin, it's Eli Drinkwitz, it's John Summral, it's Eric Morris,

932
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: it's Ryan Silverfield, like it's all the same names for

933
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: all these jobs. At this point. If you take Lane

934
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: Kiffin off the board, we slide down a peg. Doesn't

935
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: mean they're worse coach, not implying that, right, but at

936
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: least with how we're thinking about this based on public reporting,

937
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: if Lane's off the board, then suddenly you know we're

938
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: going down to like options CEE in a lot of cases. Sure,

939
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: so I think what he decides to do will be

940
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: the most interesting. I did read some reporting, I think

941
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: from our friends out at CBS earlier today that sort

942
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: of talked you through what the thinking is in Oxford.

943
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: Initially they felt very good about keeping him. Most recently

944
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: they have felt a little less good about keeping him,

945
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: starting to think maybe that he would take the job

946
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: at Florida. But as everybody has been quick to point

947
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: out link Iffin, he changed his mind based on the

948
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: wind so it's tough to pin down exactly what this

949
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: guy wants to do. But I think if he decides

950
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: to go to Florida, obviously there's you know, the question

951
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: of all right, who's going to step into a very

952
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: good Old Miss program?

953
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: Right?

954
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: If he decides to stay put good for ole Miss,

955
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: but suddenly everyone else is looking elsewhere, that's how we

956
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: get Jedfish at Florida. By the way, just FYI, Yeah,

957
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: which is definitely still a very real possibility, which.

958
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: Would be maybe another potential UCLA Florida battle like we

959
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: had with Chip Kel allegedly at least to a coach

960
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: considering those two places. Sure, what I'm curious about, and

961
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: I don't follow this closely enough, is what more could

962
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: if it's not a money thing. If we're going to

963
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: take Lane at his word that he said his decision

964
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: is not going to be rooted in financial reasons, what

965
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: more could Ole Miss do to make itself attractive to

966
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin in the long term, because he apparently has

967
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: has everything he's asked for, you know, at least allegedly.

968
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: It's probably a prestige thing.

969
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: And we have a question about that next from Davis,

970
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: that that we can talk about. But ole Miss has

971
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: complied with every one of his demands, and so if

972
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: he leaves to go somewhere else, it's about the prestige

973
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: of the Florida program. It maybe is a lifestyle decision

974
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: to want to move to Gainesville if you're Lane Kiffin.

975
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's obviously been very successful. I think his

976
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: family's all in Oxford now. I think everybody's sort of.

977
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 2: Moved and everybody's there.

978
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: His kids recruit playing for like Oxford High or whatever. Yeah, right,

979
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: so it's it would be a lifestyle decision to leave

980
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: at this point if they wanted to live somewhere else.

981
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there is. I don't know if it's

982
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: the prestige of Florida, but that is tied into it,

983
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: or LSU or else anywhere else he would consider. It's

984
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: I think more five stars and high four stars in

985
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: the South and nationally would be likelier to consider immediately

986
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 2: Florida and LSU as potential destinations before ole Miss, not

987
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 2: because of anything he has or hasn't done at ole Miss,

988
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: just because the recognition and the like I could be

989
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: the next blank, right, I could be the next Patrick Peterson.

990
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: I could be the next Derek Stingley. I could be

991
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: the next Tim Tebow. I could be the next take

992
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: your pick right, is a little bit more pronounced in

993
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: even in the modern era, even with all of Florida's struggles,

994
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: than what Ole Miss has been lately. I don't know

995
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: if that's fair, but that seems to be the reality,

996
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: at least for my advantage.

997
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this about ole Miss. You want to

998
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: know what else can Old Miss do to keep him there? Sure,

999
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: Ole Miss is going to make the playoff this year.

1000
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: That's true, and for the first time they were on

1001
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: the outside looking in a year ago. You might recall

1002
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: Lane taking a social media kind of arguing with anybody

1003
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: who he could argue with to make that case. But

1004
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: I think as a proof of concept, going to the playoff,

1005
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: probably hosting a game in the playoff, I think that

1006
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: will help. Unless he's already made up his mind, I

1007
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: think that will help, just to prove that, yes, it's

1008
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: possible here. All these guys are competitive, they want to

1009
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: win national championships. But hosting a playoff game in the

1010
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: first round, maybe winning, maybe being favored, whatever, I think

1011
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: all that stuff would help keep him there.

1012
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 2: The proof of concept of coaching a team and leading

1013
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: a program that is no longer playoff ish but playoff official.

1014
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: Let's go to Davis, who says, in this new era

1015
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: of college football, do programs need to redefine success and

1016
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: what defines a quote blue blood program? If so, how

1017
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: do fans need to change their mindset? Along those same lines? Dan?

1018
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: When you when you said wrong question before about the

1019
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: not the coach, but rather or the coach rather than

1020
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 2: the school or the job. I don't think this is

1021
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: a reasonable question because this is an unreasonable sport populated

1022
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 2: by unreasonable fans. Like the idea of college football fans

1023
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: changing their perspective, do they need to? Of course, absolutely,

1024
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: they need to adjust their perspective on what constitutes a

1025
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: winning season in these like gigantic conferences that in some

1026
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: years are absolutely stacked one through seven. However you want

1027
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: to phrase it, it just won't happen, right because all

1028
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: you want to do is college football fan, is win

1029
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: every game one hundred to nothing, develop a bunch of

1030
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: first round picks. And now, look, there are schools that

1031
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: have had no success that to have even a taste

1032
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: of a seven to eight nine win season is incredible.

1033
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: But let me tell you something about Indiana fans. If

1034
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: they have one more year after this one of a

1035
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: double digit win season, They're all going to be like

1036
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 2: I was after flying first class once. This is who

1037
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: I am now, everybody. Yeah, it's just you lose perspective

1038
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: quickly when you get that taste that why aren't we

1039
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: like we were last year? Why aren't we like we

1040
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: were these past couple of seasons. So if they go

1041
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: twelve to oh this season, Indiana, and if they go

1042
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: ten and to eleven and one to twelve and oh

1043
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: next season, and they have made the playoff for three

1044
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: straight seasons and then don't make the playoff and only

1045
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: go eight and four, nine and three, it is going

1046
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: to be no. No, I'm a first class fly now

1047
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: and I'm not slumming it in thirty two d guys.

1048
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 2: And that's just what happens in this sport. You get

1049
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: that taste and you don't want to go back.

1050
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the Forks episode and the Bear or

1051
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: Richie just decides he's a suit guy. Yeah, I'm a

1052
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: suit guy. Now. This is a suit where I think

1053
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: we need to redefine almost everything in this era. Of course,

1054
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: question like being a blue blood quote unquote is obviously

1055
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: still relevant because these are programs that have committed resources

1056
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: to building out their football program. It's clearly a program

1057
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: that moves the needle that gets ratings, a program that

1058
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: simply cannot be left out if you are trying to

1059
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,959
Speaker 1: tell the story of college football. That's what a blue

1060
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: blood is.

1061
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 2: By the way, that like we're definitions matter and blue

1062
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: blood does not just mean like one of the best.

1063
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: Blue blood actually means like historical best, right, So like

1064
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: you can't just become a blue blood if you're good

1065
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 2: for five years. You have to have I've been good

1066
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty three or it doesn't count. This is

1067
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: I think my bigger point. Yeah, tradition doesn't buy you

1068
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: what it used to. No, you know, like part of

1069
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: why I like the combination.

1070
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: Of what we have now that being the bigger playoff

1071
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: field nil in the transfer port. All of course it's

1072
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: introduced chaos, but it's also like the perfect storm for

1073
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: a disruptor like Indiana to just come out of nowhere,

1074
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: take the whole thing by storm, and upend what a

1075
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: lot of us.

1076
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 2: Thought to be true. And it's an ever ReConference. Now

1077
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 2: there's Indiana, there's Texas Tech, there's Vanderbilt, it's Virginia. This season,

1078
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: like people spend, people are able to jump up quickly,

1079
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: and it's great.

1080
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: It is great, and it's I know, people throw around

1081
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: the P word a lot parody. It is not parody

1082
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: to the extent of the NFL. It's not even close

1083
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: to that. I do think this sport needed a pretty

1084
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: healthy dose of parody just to make things interesting again.

1085
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: You know, I can't tell you we've been doing the

1086
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: show forever. If I had a dollar for every person

1087
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: that emailed us over the last ten years expressing some

1088
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: concern that it's always the same team, it's always Alabama, Georgia,

1089
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: Ohio State. I'm gonna stop watching. It doesn't do it

1090
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: for me. It feels inevitable. Week two. We don't have

1091
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: that anymore.

1092
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: It couldn't have been worse in terms of enthusiasm when

1093
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: it was like Alabama Clemson three out of four years.

1094
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: It wasn't. It wasn't.

1095
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: And we know because we've done this yeah for a

1096
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: long time. We know what the vibe is of the

1097
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: rebeller hood and whether or not your team is involved

1098
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: in this playoff chase, whether or not you're getting absolutely

1099
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: hollowed out in the transfer portal via nil and all

1100
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: that stuff. That is absolutely a very real concern. This

1101
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: is not a new setup that benefits you if you

1102
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: do not have resources. So there is still very much

1103
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: a situation where you've got haves and have nots that

1104
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 1: has not gone away. It probably won't go away anytime soon,

1105
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: but there are definitely new variables in this day and age.

1106
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: I was looking before or just at the bracket that

1107
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: I sort of translated from Marv Baller Top twelve poll.

1108
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: Seven of the twelve teams in that projected field are

1109
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: not what we would consider blue bloods. I think that's

1110
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: a good thing.

1111
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: Same.

1112
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: I think that's a good I think that makes it fun.

1113
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: I think that gives people a reason to care, even

1114
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: if you don't have a dog in the fight. You know,

1115
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: pick a new team, pick a team that you're excited

1116
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 1: to see there be there, and you know, let's root

1117
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: for some chaos. But the whole blue blood thing that

1118
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: definitely still has a place in the sport. It is

1119
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: absolutely the kind of thing that we write about when

1120
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: we try to tell the story of college football. But

1121
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: in terms of its actual relevance now, I think it

1122
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: is greatly diminished.

1123
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: It's it's all why you know, this idea of being

1124
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: able to jump up quickly, this idea of being able

1125
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: to suddenly have a seat at the table with an

1126
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 2: expanded playoff, with the ability to restock your roster quickly

1127
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: and come to the table financially in a way that

1128
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: to weren't able to. It's why there are a subset

1129
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: of Oregon State fans who are willing to absolutely debase

1130
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: and defile themselves to do anything vile, horrible, unspeakable that

1131
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 2: Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang and Oregon State alum to get

1132
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: him in the boat, right, Yeah, because the thirst is

1133
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: so real to become that team who is suddenly relevant

1134
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: and suddenly, you know, a scary team for the traditional powers.

1135
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: And so, if anything, it's just going to make people

1136
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: more unrealistic. So here we are. We said it before

1137
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: that like Kurtzignetti's success is the worst possible thing to

1138
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: happen to new coach hires across this sport. He has

1139
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: screwing everybody over. But there's truth to it. There's absolute

1140
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: truth to the idea that you can jump up if

1141
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: you find the right guy, if you get everybody behind

1142
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: you if you're at the right place, you know you

1143
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: can't You can't ever say never. Is that how you

1144
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: say his name Jensen Hwang or is it Huang?

1145
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Yeah, I didn't even know his name,

1146
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: and Ody looks like, yeah, I had no idea. What

1147
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: to Oregon State? And where's the leather jackets?

1148
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: All the time? Yes, she wears like the tom Cruise

1149
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: mission impossible, like leathery biker jat there is a grouping

1150
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: of people there and maybe it's three guys I don't

1151
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: know who are like, how do.

1152
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: We do this?

1153
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: How do we do this? His guy's worth four hundred

1154
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 2: trillion dollars. We just need a sliver and we can

1155
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: run the West Coast.

1156
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: I think there is almost a false promise though, when

1157
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: you look at a guy like Kurt Signetti, because now

1158
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: he's been successful two years with the transfer portal. There

1159
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: are plenty of other schools around college football that have

1160
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: tried in a failed Mike Norvell has failed two years

1161
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: in a row. It is hard to hit year in

1162
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,479
Speaker 1: and year out if you are building via the transfer portal. Now,

1163
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: I think the hope is if you're Kurt Signetti for Indiana,

1164
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: that you kind of fake it until you make it.

1165
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: On the recruiting side, they're obviously getting good talent to

1166
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: come in. For Nana Mendoza might win the Heisman, but

1167
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: he's a transfer. Well, it's everything with Indiana, it's everything, right,

1168
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: But I think the point is right now, they are

1169
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: primarily building through the portal. And as we have seen

1170
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: time and again across college football, while there are schools

1171
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: that hit, Texas Tech is one of them that's hits

1172
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: so far this year, there are plenty of others that haven't.

1173
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: It is really hard to maintain success with that formula

1174
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: year and in year out. Yeah, so two our questions here, Okay,

1175
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: then we'll call it plase please this one from Jeremy.

1176
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: Can Utah make the playoffs without winning the Big Twelve

1177
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: and then win at least one game in the College

1178
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: Football Playoff? So let me say this, Okay, Okay, I

1179
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: want to kick part two of that over to you.

1180
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: Right now, ESPN is saying that there's about a thirty

1181
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: nine percent chance of Utah making the playoff, which is

1182
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: not nothing. I mean, that is a very real possibility

1183
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: that they could make it even if they don't win

1184
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve. Even though it wasn't Jeremy's question. It

1185
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: is still worth noting that Utah can also still win

1186
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,959
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve, so they technically have two pathways in right,

1187
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: So yes, that is a very real possibility. We can

1188
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: debate whether or not we think that's realistic, but mathematically speaking,

1189
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: it's about thirty nine percent. Do we think that Utah

1190
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: can win a playoff game? That is my question for you.

1191
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: If they get in, can they win a playoff game?

1192
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: Bearing in mind that it is almost definitely going to

1193
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: be a road game against the team seeded five through eight, right.

1194
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 2: My answer is yes. My answer is yes when you

1195
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: have that defense. It's a top fifteen defense that has

1196
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: been tested. It hasn't been amazing weekend and week out,

1197
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: but it has been very, very good most of the time.

1198
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: I would solve my questions about Devin dan Pierre on

1199
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: the road against some of these defenses. If that's what

1200
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 2: it we're going to come down to be it you know,

1201
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: Texas Tech again, or Oregon or Ole Miss or any

1202
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: of those teams perhaps in that region of the twelve.

1203
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think they could win that game. I

1204
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: don't know if they could win that game if it

1205
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: required them to get to thirty one points with a

1206
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 2: lot of it coming through the air. Well, that's scoring points. Like,

1207
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: you can't say that the offense is an issue. This

1208
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 2: is a top ten to twelve offense in the country.

1209
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: My gut was immediately to say no, because I think

1210
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: most of the teams that they would end up playing

1211
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: are good enough defensively to make Utah very one dimensional

1212
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: and as he said, force them to win through the air,

1213
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: which I'm not convinced they can do. But I should

1214
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: point out, if we want to be honest about this,

1215
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: if we look at the SPPLUS, which we swear by,

1216
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: Utah is eighth. They're slightly behind Georgia and Ole miss.

1217
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: They're slightly ahead of Texas A and m Miami, Alabama

1218
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: and Oklahoma. So per Bill's numbers, he's got Utah right there.

1219
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: Bill is looking at this is at least his numbers

1220
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: are and saying, you talking contend, I.

1221
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 2: Don't think Utah is radically beneath anybody in this top

1222
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: twelve conversation Utah included. So yes, I think Utah could

1223
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: win that game. We don't question their coaching staff. I

1224
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 2: don't think. I think the only thing we really question

1225
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 2: here is they played Texas Tech close for most of

1226
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: that game and then it got out of hand. Will Hammond,

1227
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 2: who was not that good after the fact before he

1228
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 2: got hurt, was incredible against Utah and hopefully remains their

1229
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: quarterback of the future, and you know, has bright days

1230
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: ahead of him. And they played BYU to a draw

1231
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: basically in a big rivalry spot and BYU themselves top ten,

1232
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 2: So I think they're of that quality. And it's not

1233
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 2: like any of these teams that we've mentioned as being

1234
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 2: in that like four or five, six, seven, eight range

1235
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,959
Speaker 2: have been beating teams by four touchdowns every week, right,

1236
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 2: So that's only kind of Ohio State. And they likely

1237
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 2: wouldn't play Ohio State in the first round because Ohio

1238
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 2: State's going to have a bye. So yeah, I think

1239
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: they absolutely could win, but I'd put it as kind

1240
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: of unlikely, but not crazy.

1241
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: It's not crazy. They've got a defense good enough to

1242
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: make it ugly. Yeah, And that's sort of been the

1243
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: template for Kyle Whittingham all these years. It's been very good,

1244
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: very good in that circumstance. Let's close it out with

1245
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: this Dan from Kevin who says, how about them Missouri State.

1246
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 2: Bears yeah, Betty, Yeah about eh.

1247
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: This is Missouri State's first year in the FBS, and

1248
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: how did it begin? Ty? It began losing seventy three

1249
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: to thirteen to USC. It was not a great way

1250
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: to start. But since then Missouri State has gone on

1251
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: a bit of a run. They are six and three.

1252
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: I will add that of their five wins over FBS competition,

1253
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: five were by one score, all of them great. They're

1254
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: remaining three games are UTEP, Kennesaw, and Louisiana Tech, all

1255
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: three of which are you guessed it also projected to

1256
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: be one score games. Technically, by like the traditional metric,

1257
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: they would be Bowl eligible, but because this is their

1258
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: first year in the FBS, you know, the way this

1259
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: works is usually a two year probationary period where they

1260
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: can't go to a bowl game. They have or at

1261
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: least intend on petitioning the nc DOUBLEA if they are

1262
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: on enough teams, or you know, if the NCAA is

1263
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: a change of heart. Historically, they haven't been very receptive

1264
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: to the idea of a new FBS team popping up

1265
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: into a bowl game.

1266
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: But we'll say, I'm sure they're petitioning.

1267
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're doing their part. So but to Kevin's point

1268
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: here has been I think a really good first season

1269
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: from Missouri State. Good for them, and they lost to

1270
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: SMU and Western Kentucky after that USC loss, neither of

1271
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: which are embarrassing losses. Now winning as a skill, especially

1272
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: when you're making this jump, and so I don't know.

1273
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: The other team, Delaware has been pretty decent too, right,

1274
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: Blue Hens, baby, you know it. So the two new teams,

1275
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: those are the only ones, right that have jumped in

1276
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: this season.

1277
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 2: Yep, Delaware. This season, they've won, I guess, They've split

1278
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: their last four, two out of their last four, but

1279
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 2: beat a decent enough Louisiana Tech team, beat Middle Tennessee.

1280
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 2: They themselves are in position to be traditionally Bowl eligible

1281
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: at six wins, even if they're not going to go

1282
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 2: to a bowl this season.

1283
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: They've got Wake and they've got UTEP here on their

1284
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: remaining schedule, so we'll see. They could get a signature

1285
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: win over Wake for it. Oh my god, I'd potentially

1286
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: nine and three, eight and four Wake Forest, which is

1287
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: wild in its own right.

1288
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 2: Shout out Ryan Cardy and the job he's done at Delaware.

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Speaker 1: So look, the three biggies this week are USC at

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Speaker 1: Oregon that's at three thirty on CBS, pit at George

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Speaker 1: Tech that is seven o'clock on ESPN, and BYU at

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati that is eight PMO Fox. There are obviously other

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Speaker 1: interesting games this week, starting on Friday night in the

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Speaker 1: Mountain West Hawaii at NLV. Should be a great matchup.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch that game. But the three big

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Speaker 1: ones USC Oregon, Pitt Georgia Tech BYU Cincinnati. We are

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Speaker 1: going to do our first official ALT cast of the year,

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Speaker 1: are we not? On Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We did sort of an ALT cast watching games

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Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, just it was an exciting afternoon

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Speaker 2: just to test things out of games. But yes, for

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Speaker 2: a specific game, we're going to do Oregon USC at

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Speaker 2: I believe it's the three point thirty Eastern game. Yes

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Speaker 2: on CBS, which bonus both if you do this and

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Speaker 2: why I say you as a listener if you watch

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Speaker 2: the altcast along with the Oregon game as a second

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Speaker 2: screen experience, and because we're doing it as a second

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Speaker 2: screen experience, you don't have to listen to Gary Danielson.

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Speaker 2: Oh come on, come on, he's all right, you know.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you something about my relationship with Gary Danielson.

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01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: Go ahead, So I think bretton Neessler's good, doesn't he

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Speaker 2: had Jenny Dell in the show. I didn't care one

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Speaker 2: way or the other about Gary Danielson when he was

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Speaker 2: calling SEC games cause they didn't have any rooting interest.

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Speaker 2: But then as soon as I watched the Oregon Iowa game,

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Speaker 2: I immediately went to the side of like, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: get it. It's like when you watch a game that

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Speaker 2: you have a rooting interest in and he's on the call.

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01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's a nice dude. I'm sure he's beloved

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Speaker 2: by the crew, but it was it was a tough

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Speaker 2: broadcast experience for me as an organ person. And so

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Speaker 2: if I'm speaking with ty Hildemranda the solid verbal, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's gonna be a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna make it fun. I got some ideas. I

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01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: got some ideas for ways that we can improve the

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Speaker 1: cast over what we did last year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, can't wait.

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Speaker 1: So it'll be fun. Stop on by the YouTube channel.

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01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: Make sure we post it everywhere. But even if it's

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01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: for a few minutes, say hello, type something in the chat,

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01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: give us your reaction to what else is going on

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Speaker 1: around college football. It doesn't matter. We're all friends here.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Other games that I think are of particular interest Louisville

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01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: on the road at SMU. We already talked about why

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Speaker 1: that's important. Miami on the road of Virginia Tech. I

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01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,719
Speaker 1: see Miami is a pretty healthy favorite. Going to Lane

1338
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:29,440
Speaker 1: Stadium is never that easy. We've also got Missouri at Oklahoma.

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01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: Is there any kind of letdown effect for Oklahoma after

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01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 1: the big win from a week ago?

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01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 2: You know?

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01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: Baylor at Arizona is an interesting game. Arizona's been real good,

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01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 1: real good on defense.

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01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 2: Right, Arizona's defense. Those safeties are really fun. I really

1345
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 2: like this Arizona team. No if Afida bounce back from

1346
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 2: a pretty terrible twenty twenty four, they're really really fun.

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01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 2: They just like you watched me, Like this team has

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01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: their act together, Like against all odds, they have their

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01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 2: act together. So shout out Danny Gonzalez and Brent Brennan

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01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 2: and all these players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Arkansas Texas could be entertaining. Can Kentucky Vanderbilt could

1352
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: be very entertaining. Kentucky has sort of had a bit

1353
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: of a rebirth here second half of the year.

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01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 2: By the way, go ahead an incredible letdown, look ahead

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01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 2: sandwich situation for Texas, Oh my god. Yeah, between Georgia

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01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 2: and Texas, A and M Yeah, Arkansas has the opportunity

1357
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:20,799
Speaker 2: to do something incredible here Biba Matrino marching into Austin.

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01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: Sure, we've got Duke North Carolina. Yeah, no other reason,

1359
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: it's a rivalry. ECU on the road at UTSA, huge

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01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: implications in the American huge implications.

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01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 2: We got k State at Utah.

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Speaker 1: At one point or another, this looked like it would

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01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: be a monster big twelve game. It is currently at

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Speaker 1: Utah minus seventeen and a half at time of recording. Man,

1365
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: we got Michigan on the road at Maryland. We've got

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Speaker 1: TCU Maryland, by the way, retaining Mike Waxley on if

1367
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: you saw that with an nil boost for the roster,

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01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: nil boost, TCU at Houston could be fun. Nebraska at

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01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: Penn State. Maybe Matt ruhleill have some second thoughts and

1370
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 1: decide to stay in state college. Who knows.

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Speaker 2: By the way, just the sidebar of all these that

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Speaker 2: you're mentioning, Houston is like your number one candidate of

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01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 2: like very quiet, impressive year. I told you, I know,

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01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 2: really impressive season, and I don't. I don't know if

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01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 2: they're officially out of the like the Big Twelfth Championship running. Yeah,

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01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 2: maybe they are, but it's not by much. I mean,

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Speaker 2: look are they ranked right now? Houston?

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Speaker 1: I don't believe is rank.

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Speaker 2: No, Houston is the number. Yeah, they're number twenty five

1380
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 2: or twenty people. Okay, that's great, good for Houston. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think Connor Wigman is technically the most like statistically

1382
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 2: efficient Big twelve quarterback right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Houston would need a lot to break. Houston would need,

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01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: obviously to win against TCU. They would need to win

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01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: their final game against Baylor, but they would probably need

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01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: some help from Arizona. They'd need some help from you.

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01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: They would likely need some help from TCU. There are

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01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: probably some ways that you could program this to get

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Speaker 1: Houston into that final game, but.

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Speaker 2: Not likely to say, yeah, Wes West Virginia really played

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Speaker 2: spoiler for this season, right, Oh my god, losing a

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Speaker 2: couple weeks ago to West Virginia. Otherwise they'd be like

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Speaker 2: kind of driver's seat they would. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 2: tough couple to finish out the year. And they scored

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Speaker 2: more against Texas Tech than BYU did. There's that and

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Speaker 2: they didn't even have their quarterback for much in that game.

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Speaker 1: They would need Kansas State to beat Utah this week.

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01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: They would obviously need to win their game next week

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Speaker 1: against Baylor, which right now Baylor might be favored. Okay,

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01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: they would need Arizona to beat Arizona State. They would

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Speaker 1: likely need TCU to beat Cincinnati. I think if all

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01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: you also need UCF to be BYU.

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01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: That's a tough ask.

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01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: If all that, I mean speaking of parlays. If they

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01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: went out and those other things happen, they would likely

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Speaker 1: go to the Big twelve title game, getting a nod

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Speaker 1: above b one. You it gets complicated get down to

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01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: like the sixth tiebreaker, but that's what it would take

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01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: in order to get Houston.

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Speaker 2: In that either way. They went four and eight last year, Yes,

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01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 2: and nine and three plus is absolutely on the table,

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Speaker 2: very much so.

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Speaker 1: All right, to round things out, New Mexico at Air Force.

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01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: I know you like New Mexico.

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01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm a neckhad.

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01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: We have Tennessee Florida this week. Tennessee favored by three

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01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: and a half on the road in the swamp.

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01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: Cal Stanford is this week in Arizona State on the road.

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01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 1: At Colorado Arizona State. By the way, still an outside

1421
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: chance for make the big twelfth title game.

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 2: That's true.

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01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: For what it's.

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 2: It's I mean, it's big game. It's cal Stanford, it's

1425
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 2: the g and you know, as we all anticipated on

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Speaker 2: the ACC network, God, everything's so stupid. Okay, I think

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Speaker 2: that's great. And I think le High Lafayette this weekend too.

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01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: Lehigh Lafayette. Yeah, that's a big one, man, that's a

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Speaker 1: real big one.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot happening.

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01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: There's an awful lot happening, if you care about such things.

1432
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Speaker 1: By the way, now that you bring up the FCS rankings,

1433
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Speaker 1: I believe the latest FCS rankings still have Lehigh at fourth.

1434
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 2: But of note, if.

1435
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: We go all the way down to Division two, Dan,

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01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about fair Estate before because of

1437
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: Trendad Chambliss, But there is another local team, Kutztown.

1438
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 2: They make a noise.

1439
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: Kutztown is currently eleven to zero and third in Division two.

1440
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 2: Just say it.

1441
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,799
Speaker 1: In the coaches poll Division two.

1442
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 2: About Mercer number six. By the way, in the FCS

1443
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 2: poll taken on Auburn on the.

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01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: Run, I mean, they're no Lehigh, but.

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01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 2: That's a it was a big look ahead spot for

1446
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 2: Auburn ahead of the Iron Bowl. Hove it up into

1447
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 2: the top ten as well Harvard Top ten. I mean

1448
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 2: as the first year of the ivys can get into

1449
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: the FCS playoffs. Great, I love it. So it's all happening.

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01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: Why don't we leave it there. We've got a bunch

1451
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: to discuss. On the Thursday episode, we of course will

1452
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: preview all these games and much much more. We will

1453
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: talk through what it takes to get into our run

1454
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: the board pick them game. You can of course go

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Speaker 1: get the episodes without the ads, get them a little

1459
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: bit early. You can go on our discord. You can

1460
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: post questions for shows like this.

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01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 2: Correct, it's all I got, Dan, same. I'm losing my

1462
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 2: voice over here, but you're looking sharp in your new

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Speaker 2: merchant at Solivruble dot com. Shirt college football all the time.

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Speaker 1: I love it it, Pops man, I like it good.

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01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear it for that guy over there, Dan,

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01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: for myself, Tie, we'll talk to you all on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, stay solid, peace,