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Speaker 2: And then the final contribution is from my mom, who's

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Speaker 2: a holistic house yes, and she CONTRICI spoke to the

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Speaker 2: from her. Basic amenities are not a luxury, A place

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Speaker 2: It goes without saying safe housing and food, a hot

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Speaker 3: And so we've got two rubber duckies here to kind

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Speaker 2: That luxury of hygiene, particularly in a bath that really

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Speaker 3: People took baths long before they took showers.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Welcome back to Weedian House. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Feo Henderson. We have some hot topics and hot interviews

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Speaker 1: to match the hot and humid weather in Washington, DC

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Speaker 1: when I was there for the National Alliance for Ending

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Speaker 1: Homelessness conference. But first on House News, our first story

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Speaker 1: starts in New York City councilwoman Susan Wong was arrested

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Speaker 1: for allegedly biding a police officer doing a protest against

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Speaker 1: a houseless shelter being built in a right wing Asian

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Speaker 1: Community Councilwoman's Wong's district has been slated to have a

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Speaker 1: houseless shelter. Right wing Asian community activists have been protesting

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Speaker 1: involved in rallies against proposed shelters for months. Opponents have

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Speaker 1: don't hate the unhoused. This is just the wrong place

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Speaker 1: to Castle Rock, Colorado. A federal judge has ruled against

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Speaker 1: the town of Castle Rock, Colorado. They ruled that it

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Speaker 1: cannot prevent an Evangelical Church from providing temporary shelter to

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Speaker 1: been comparable lawsuits by law enforcement and authorities to curb

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here today.

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Speaker 3: My name is Melissa Chinchia. This is my colleague Diane

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Speaker 4: So we're really glad to be here today and really

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Speaker 5: So, thinking about all of these issues, we partnered up

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Speaker 3: To author this report.

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Speaker 5: Elevate issues that impact the Latino community up into a

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Speaker 6: To estimate folks who are doubled up. And so what

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Speaker 6: So and if you want to know the exact measure.

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Speaker 5: What the measure is composed of in terms of the analysis,

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Speaker 3: Today's presentation being part of that.

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Speaker 4: So this number increased twenty eight percent going from about

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Speaker 4: And again, these numbers only represent sheltered and unsheltered counts.

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Speaker 6: So what did we do in a why?

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Speaker 4: So in terms of our quantitative findings, and again, if

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Speaker 3: But I do want to note that non foreign born

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Speaker 3: So you'll see here that Spot four and SPA six have.

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Speaker 4: So the patterns match with regards to high counts of

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Speaker 6: They determine eligibility, right.

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Speaker 5: And so the majority of service providers are using that

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Speaker 5: So that doesn't say anything about how many people are

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Speaker 6: A different situation. But that does not address this, right,

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Speaker 5: Right, So we have folks on the ground trying to

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Speaker 3: If you will. Right.

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Speaker 5: So, if you're a service provider and you have a

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Speaker 5: So the issue here is that we need to expand

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Speaker 5: And so kind of seeing it as a secondary issue,

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Speaker 4: We're back, but so we want to talk a little

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Speaker 4: We've also seen other folks, like individuals in Minnesota that

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Speaker 4: We also the other thing that we want to emphasize

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Speaker 4: organizations that are not traditional homeless service providers and that

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Speaker 4: may not know how.

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Speaker 3: To properly connect people to resources.

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Speaker 4: So locally we've started talking about the importance of rethinking

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Speaker 4: how we do outreach and including outreach well with organizations

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Speaker 4: that have a reputation in the community as being trustworthy

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Speaker 4: and as serving.

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Speaker 3: The local community itself. You know.

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Speaker 4: The other thing with this work is importance building staff

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Speaker 4: capacity and uplifting culturally specific practices. This could include things

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Speaker 4: like thinking about how trauma informed care would apply to

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Speaker 4: someone who has migrated and costs many boundaries in order

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Speaker 4: to be where they feel that they currently are. This

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Speaker 4: can mean understanding cultural dynamics around family and gender.

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Speaker 3: As it pertains to the Latino community.

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Speaker 4: And really helping folks with regards to language access as well.

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Speaker 4: We see this as a huge problem within Los Angeles

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Speaker 4: County where folks are not able to access information in

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Speaker 4: their language of preference, and with the Latino population, there's

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Speaker 4: also a lot of diversity with languages, whether that be

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Speaker 4: indigenous languages or folks that are on legal Spanish speakers.

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Speaker 4: And then another thing that I mentioned during yesterday's plenary

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Speaker 4: was the importance of community organizing and building a movement.

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Speaker 4: And so we've begun to see locally very few but

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Speaker 4: a couple of organizations that are homeless service providers starting

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Speaker 4: to invest in community organizing work, which is really important.

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Speaker 4: So building community power so that folks are able to

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Speaker 4: come to the table, share their experiences, and advocate for

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Speaker 4: policy and program change is really critical. And then I

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Speaker 4: wanted we wanted to show this here which really talks

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Speaker 4: about you know, I think one of the important things

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Speaker 4: with this work is how do we bridge build, how

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Speaker 4: do we bring other people on the people?

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Speaker 3: As I mentioned the LATINX community.

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Speaker 4: If you look at the proportion of individuals that are

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Speaker 4: likely to experience doubled up homelessness, we see that the

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Speaker 4: folks that identify as Native American have a higher rate.

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Speaker 4: With regards to Native American and rural communities, we have

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Speaker 4: seen doubled up homelessness be an important issue for these

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Speaker 4: communities as well. And one of the things that has

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Speaker 4: happened will happen last year is that Senators Tina Smith

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Speaker 4: and Cynthia Lumis they've asked Secretary Fudge to clarify the

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Speaker 4: definition of homeless business. And this statement, which is not

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Speaker 4: represented in full, it begins to ask the question of

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Speaker 4: what it means to be housed. So an example that's

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Speaker 4: given is like, if there's sixteen people living in a

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Speaker 4: two bedroom apartment, is that being housed? Does that not

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Speaker 4: meet the definition of experiencing homelessness? According to HUT, the

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Speaker 4: state of Minnesota, which has a large Native American population,

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Speaker 4: has been tracking doubled doubled up homelessness on tribal lands,

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Speaker 4: and one of the things that they've been doing as

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Speaker 4: a way to advocate is that they've been sending these

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Speaker 4: numbers to HUT along with their point in time count,

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Speaker 4: even though HUT does not ask for these numbers. So

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Speaker 4: just something for us to think about when it comes

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Speaker 4: to advocating.

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Speaker 5: So Doca Chinchilla talked about some system level recommendations. We

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Speaker 5: also have some policy level recommendations that we put in

501
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Speaker 5: our report, and they have a lot.

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Speaker 6: To do with resource allocation.

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Speaker 5: Right. One of the things that we really wanted to

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Speaker 5: do with this is start a conversation, because if you

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Speaker 5: don't recogniz eyes or if you're not talking about an issue,

506
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Speaker 5: then you're also not putting it in your budget, or

507
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Speaker 5: you're not also you're not allocating any resources towards it, right,

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Speaker 5: And so in terms of resource allocation, we're hoping to

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Speaker 5: assess metrics beyond the point in timecount for evaluating local needs,

510
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Speaker 5: so similar to what we're doing and adding census data,

511
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Speaker 5: maybe adding some mcinne vno data from your local fool board,

512
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Speaker 5: trying to figure out how to better do how to

513
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Speaker 5: better count the folks that are experiencing this. So also

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Speaker 5: resource development, so new and enhanced resources tailored to the

515
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Speaker 5: unique challenges of doubling up, Ensuring resources for housing aid

516
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Speaker 5: are accessible to all, regardless of citizenship status, which is

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Speaker 5: an issue that comes up with this population. And streamline

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Speaker 5: the work permit process for recent immigrants and refugees, which

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Speaker 5: has also become an issue in this conversation. And then

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Speaker 5: maintaining robust funding for affordable housing initiatives and enforced tenant

521
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Speaker 5: rights and protections, so future research.

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Speaker 6: One of the things that we are.

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Speaker 5: Doing this work, which is often something that you find

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Speaker 5: when you're doing research, is that we've got some answers

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Speaker 5: and then a whole lot of other questions, and so

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Speaker 5: specifically around funding issues because currently our system we have

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Speaker 5: that federal definition and so sometimes service providers will say, okay, well,

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Speaker 5: but this funding comes from Melic, from the County of

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Speaker 5: la or from the city, and maybe we can use

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Speaker 5: it for these folks and so then creating a system

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Speaker 5: where folks can figure these things out a lot easier.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: The LATINX experience with homelessness is really nuanced, and part

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Speaker 5: of the issue is that sometimes people don't self identify,

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Speaker 5: right Because even though I know a couple of sisters

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Speaker 5: who work with really rich people in Orange County being

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Speaker 5: their nannies and then travel to la and have nowhere

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Speaker 5: to stay. Sometimes I have to stay their car or

539
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Speaker 5: couch surfing their siblings homes, they don't assign that title

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Speaker 5: to themselves, right, And so maybe if they're filling out

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Speaker 5: a form, they're not going to identify themselves as that.

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Speaker 5: Maybe it's because they don't see themselves as on house.

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Speaker 5: Maybe it's also because there's a huge cultural stigma to

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Speaker 5: being unhoused in the LATINX community.

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Speaker 3: And so trying to.

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Speaker 6: Work at the system level using.

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Speaker 5: Culturally appropriate, you know, resources for folks that can get

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Speaker 5: at some of these nuances and stigmas.

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Speaker 6: And we're currently working on a paper.

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Speaker 5: On the intersection of the immigration system and the homelessness

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Speaker 5: service system, because this is really a huge issue that

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Speaker 5: came up when we were talking to service providers because

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Speaker 5: there's not only the oh, are they eligible based on

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Speaker 5: their living arrangement, there's also are they eligible if they

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Speaker 5: are undocumented or residents. And one of the things that

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Speaker 5: we found is that sometimes folks who are eligible for

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Speaker 5: the funding do not want to see it because while

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Speaker 5: they may be residents or citizens, there is someone in

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Speaker 5: their house who isn't and they do.

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Speaker 6: Not want to call attention to that.

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Speaker 3: And so also.

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Speaker 5: Something that we already know from the literature on immigration

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Speaker 5: is that undocumented status feels over to your family members

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Speaker 5: even if they're not undocumented, right, And so there's that

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Speaker 5: fear of the public charge of whether if sometime down

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Speaker 5: the line you may have the ability to readjust your status,

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Speaker 5: that taking assistance.

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Speaker 3: Would come back to you at that point in time.

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Speaker 5: And so one of the things that I thought was

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Speaker 5: really interesting about that is that during the Trump administration

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Speaker 5: there were some.

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Speaker 6: The public charge rule was made a lot more strict.

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Speaker 5: When Biden came back, if the Democrats were back in

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Speaker 5: the White House.

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Speaker 3: They changed it back.

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Speaker 5: That freaked people out because that it's really easy to

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Speaker 5: just change. It's like, I, you know, even if right

578
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Speaker 5: now it's easier or I'm not going to take it

579
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Speaker 5: because someone else comes back in and they can change

580
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Speaker 5: it right back, and then I'm not eligible, and so

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Speaker 5: they'll just stay away and not want to use assistance

582
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Speaker 5: that they're eligible for. And then refugee status that also

583
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Speaker 5: came up, Like I mentioned folks on the service provision side,

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Speaker 5: when folks are processed, they end up in a community,

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Speaker 5: they can't work, and so then they end up getting

586
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Speaker 5: wrapped up in all of these systems and so clarifying

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Speaker 5: those things.

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Speaker 6: So these are some of the future research questions that

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Speaker 6: we are going to hopefully be looking into. And we

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Speaker 6: had some questions pretty for you all.

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Speaker 4: So we have some time for conversation and we were

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Speaker 4: hoping to one hear from the audience but also allow

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Speaker 4: you all to ask us any follow up questions that

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Speaker 4: you have.

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Speaker 3: But to start off, we just really.

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Speaker 4: Wanted to understand whether or not you all are seeing

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Speaker 4: doubled up homelessness as a challenge in your vocal region,

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Speaker 4: and whether or not your region has done anything to

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Speaker 4: address or track doubled up homelessness. So if anyone's willing

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Speaker 4: to share, we'd really appreciate hearing you all.

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Speaker 7: Good morning, Timpagna. There we are Latita. My name is

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Speaker 7: big heart woman. My government name is Rachel Parker. It's

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Speaker 7: good that you're here. I am an eral member of

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Speaker 7: the Maha t I'm located in Omaha, Nebraska. I wanted

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Speaker 7: to comment, thank you for your presentation. I wanted to

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Speaker 7: comment about the tribal communities. So Mairas is literally like

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Speaker 7: an hour away from Omaha, and we see that so

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Speaker 7: much and so like culturally, there's nothing wrong with that,

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Speaker 7: you know, but I think Honey needs to get it

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Speaker 7: right and quit count h and count couch.

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Speaker 3: Surfing as homelessness. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: And I love that you got the point that you

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Speaker 7: brought up about your pit counts. So our community indigenous

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Speaker 7: people we have is higher than black individuals, but yet.

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Speaker 3: Nobody talks about them.

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Speaker 7: So where we're located, right in the center of the

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Speaker 7: country is a hub.

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Speaker 3: For human trafficking.

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Speaker 7: I have to share this because it's relevant to the

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Speaker 7: m m I W M MIP movement that is currently

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Speaker 7: going on. The three highest the three events in the

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Speaker 7: country that helped the highest rates of human traffic the

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Speaker 7: key are the super Bowl, the College World Series, which

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Speaker 7: is located right in Omaha we just had, and the

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Speaker 7: Berkshire Hathaway Conference.

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Speaker 3: Does everybody know what that is? Do you know who

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Speaker 3: wars uff?

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Speaker 4: It is?

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Speaker 3: Okay, he holds that conference.

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Speaker 7: So two of the events in our country happen, I

631
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Speaker 7: will tell you in our community, it is the It

632
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Speaker 7: is the unhealthed Indigenous women and men and boys now

633
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Speaker 7: that are coming up missing, and you never hear about

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Speaker 7: it on TV when we hear about it on social media.

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Speaker 7: I am the only one in our CEOC in the

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Speaker 7: rooms that I go into where leadership is my position.

637
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Speaker 7: With our company, Reimagine, I am the training and lived

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Speaker 7: Experience director, So it is my goal to advocate and

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Speaker 7: to represent Indigenous people.

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Speaker 3: So I thank you for mentioning us in this presentation.

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Speaker 3: I really do.

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Speaker 7: I just wanted to elevate that, you know, these are

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Speaker 7: the things that we see in our community, adding natives

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Speaker 7: to send separate numbers to the PICOW. I've been to Minneapolis.

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Speaker 7: My brother did street outreach up there. It is something

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Speaker 7: else to see. You see people doing fetanam right on

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Speaker 7: the street. You see people doing fetanam right on the buses,

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Speaker 7: and the Indian community is right there.

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Speaker 3: You will have to walk through that to get to

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Speaker 3: the Indian communities in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 7: So I just want to elevate that because even here

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Speaker 7: I don't see very many people like me.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting. We got to do something about that.

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Speaker 8: We will thank you, thank.

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Speaker 3: You so much for Jay. I really appreciate it. Appreciate

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Speaker 3: you Jerry listening.

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Speaker 9: I appreciate that I can talk about a failure. I

658
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Speaker 9: work in South la and you know, obviously there's a

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Speaker 9: huge doubling up this year. If you drive to work

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Speaker 9: in South Play, you're doing swaalom through the streets of

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Speaker 9: all the dope park cars. But we tried to do

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Speaker 9: a pilot of doing upstream.

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Speaker 10: From from stray homelessness to try to find people who

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Speaker 10: were going to be homeless or likely to be homeless

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Speaker 10: in the next next year or something like that. And

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Speaker 10: and we found some measures, which is very difficult.

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Speaker 3: So I'm thrilled to hear about this.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, we uh we yeah, ours was a failure

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Speaker 11: because we just couldn't figure out a way to identify

670
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Speaker 11: those specific people to help. And we and I think

671
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 11: it's pretty obvious that, you know, the relative cost of

672
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Speaker 11: solving someone's housing problem when they're on the street is

673
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Speaker 11: much more expensive than if they're already housed.

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Speaker 10: You can, you can you know, just do the moving

675
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 10: cost and there's not the whole engagement fees. So this

676
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Speaker 10: is definitely you know, we're talking about huge iceberg here.

677
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Speaker 10: You know, hundreds of thousands of people. I think it

678
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Speaker 10: was six hundred or two and twenty five thousand people

679
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Speaker 10: in in La County. And that's that's uh, that's next

680
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Speaker 10: week's IT camp, right, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, basically, thanks so much for sharing. I'll just add

682
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Speaker 4: that a lot of the times we're thinking about prevention

683
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Speaker 4: programs where some efforts have moved towards predictive analytics and

684
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Speaker 4: using data systems in order to see who might fall

685
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Speaker 4: into homelessess based on the predicted pattern, which there's some

686
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Speaker 4: benefit to that, right, but we're also missing a lot

687
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Speaker 4: of folks that never enter the system. So LA County

688
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Speaker 4: a couple of like a year or two back, they

689
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Speaker 4: released some data regarding individuals that had passed away while

690
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Speaker 4: experiencing homelessness, and one of the things that they found

691
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Speaker 4: is that a significant proportion at a significant proportion of

692
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Speaker 4: Latino population that we're experiencing homelessess in that past while

693
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Speaker 4: on the streets, had never had any contact with the

694
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Speaker 4: county system. So you know, we have to think about

695
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Speaker 4: different ways to reach the population, including partnering with agencies

696
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Speaker 4: that know.

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Speaker 3: The community well can help identify folks.

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Speaker 5: And one of the things that I want to end

699
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Speaker 5: that yesterday when we were at the Culinaria and you know,

700
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Speaker 5: people were announcing.

701
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Speaker 6: Like, oh, homelessness came down this much and this much.

702
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Speaker 5: I saw in the audience that folks from those areas

703
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Speaker 5: were like really and part of what most of the

704
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Speaker 5: work that I've done, I've done in Orange County, California,

705
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Speaker 5: and one of the things that we talk about is

706
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Speaker 5: that the county will go out and say, hey, we

707
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 5: brought homelessness down by one thousand people, but then they

708
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 5: don't talk about the fact that nine hundred and fifty

709
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 5: people died on the street that year. Are you really

710
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Speaker 5: bringing it down or are you just killing your unhoused folks.

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Speaker 7: It's really kind to hold built agencies and and everybody accountable.

712
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Speaker 7: Why can't we address the outfit in the room. What's

713
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Speaker 7: wrong with saying I messed up? Let's get it right right?

714
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Speaker 7: I mean, what's so hard on that we see it

715
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Speaker 7: in our clc I'm in rooms with leadership and none

716
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Speaker 7: of them want to hold themselves, and that's why we

717
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 7: were formed. ORC was formed because frontline and lived experienced

718
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Speaker 7: folks were sick of it. And so we go in there,

719
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Speaker 7: guns and blazes, and I'll tell you, as an Indigenous woman,

720
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Speaker 7: I go on for those rooms and I speak my

721
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Speaker 7: mind and I'm considered angry.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say what it is. If I was a

723
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Speaker 3: white woman, i'd be strong. I don't shut up.

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Speaker 6: But the reason I bring that up is because we

725
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Speaker 6: need to be clear about our numbers. Right now, we're using.

726
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Speaker 5: Predictive analytics and doing all these things, and we really

727
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Speaker 5: got to talk about what numbers we're using and why

728
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 5: and what we're not using and why.

729
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Speaker 12: All right, good morning, and not much of a question,

730
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Speaker 12: more of a comment.

731
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Speaker 3: So I'm brainning.

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Speaker 5: I'm from Arlington, Virginia, so literally right across the bridge.

733
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Speaker 3: My previous job wasn't affordable.

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Speaker 12: Housing, and the amount of doubling up that was happening

735
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Speaker 12: within the Latino households was it continues.

736
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Speaker 3: To be appalling.

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Speaker 12: Arlington is gentrified quite a bit in the last decade,

738
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Speaker 12: so a lot of these families are now having to

739
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Speaker 12: move out of Arlington, Yet they're the ones who are

740
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Speaker 12: working in the food industry in the county and they're

741
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Speaker 12: having to move further out, limited transportation, food deserts, so

742
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Speaker 12: there's not as much accessibility for them. I think we

743
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Speaker 12: are definitely not at least to my knowledge, this is

744
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Speaker 12: not something that.

745
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Speaker 3: Is on anyone's agenda.

746
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Speaker 12: But there's definitely preventive measures that need to be put

747
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Speaker 12: into place to address this. Because some of my kids

748
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Speaker 12: that I worked with, there was men also living in

749
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Speaker 12: the unit and it was a single mom. They would

750
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Speaker 12: set up plywood so that it would be like a

751
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 12: little room for the person and it would be three

752
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Speaker 12: dudes plus a mom and her three kids.

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Speaker 3: Not good.

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Speaker 12: So thank you for bringing this to like, because I

755
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 12: don't think it's a topic that's disgusted.

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Speaker 5: Enough, and especially when it comes to affordable housing and

757
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 5: those like they're also violating the terms of the least

758
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Speaker 5: and so also putting themselves in you know, risk of eviction.

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Speaker 8: And I wanted to answerst some of your questions plus

760
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Speaker 8: will ask good questions from Portland, Oregon. For a long

761
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Speaker 8: time I worked in Clacken's County organ and every single

762
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Speaker 8: account we.

763
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Speaker 3: Also counted doubled up. So we asked that and we

764
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Speaker 3: tracked it. We didn't send it.

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Speaker 4: To HUD, although we did put it in our NOVAH

766
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Speaker 4: application just to try to get.

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Speaker 3: That those numbers in there.

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Speaker 13: Somehow, it was very hard to try to communicate that

769
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Speaker 13: to the pubble because the pit count was being talked

770
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Speaker 13: about and there was doubled up, and then there was

771
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Speaker 13: the SCHOOLIAISE, homelesschool AAISE on count, the McKay Vento account

772
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Speaker 13: and that got conflated with the double dup, so that

773
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Speaker 13: made it really tricky to convey it clearly to the public.

774
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Speaker 13: And then also we have significant local funding that doesn't

775
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Speaker 13: have the same HUG definitions or restrictions, And I'm wondering

776
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Speaker 13: if you had advice on how to set eligibility criteria

777
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Speaker 13: in order to get the right population into programs, because

778
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Speaker 13: we've set it in such a way that I think

779
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 13: so broad that actually opens the door to almost anyone

780
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 13: who's staying with someone else not on the lease, and

781
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Speaker 13: I think that didn't get quite to who we were

782
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Speaker 13: trying to serve. So if you have advice on eligibility

783
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Speaker 13: criteria that we can set to draw on those folks

784
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Speaker 13: into coronerance, that would really be helpful.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for sharing that.

786
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a that's a great suggestion, maybe

787
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Speaker 4: as a future research is really defining what it would

788
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Speaker 4: mean to experience double up homelesses. The definition that Molly

789
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Speaker 4: Richard uses looking at census data includes like, you know,

790
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Speaker 4: doubling up because a loss of income, not being able

791
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Speaker 4: to pay for housing. So like kind of looking at

792
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Speaker 4: the reasons why doubling up occurs.

793
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Speaker 3: But I think that one of the things that I've

794
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Speaker 3: been asking people.

795
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Speaker 4: To do to reframe this conversation is, you know, we've

796
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Speaker 4: historically asked people are you homeless? And then we've said,

797
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Speaker 4: if you're homeless, your ex yfe you have experienced x y.

798
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 3: I see. So what if we ask people said, are

799
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Speaker 3: you housed?

800
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Speaker 4: And then we define what being housed looks like and

801
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Speaker 4: that could be something like, you know, being on a lease,

802
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 4: because being on a lease means that you have rights,

803
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 4: or it can mean that you have access to certain

804
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 4: types of amenities that would be considered.

805
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Speaker 3: As part of being fully housed.

806
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Speaker 4: For example, do you have access to a kitchen creating

807
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 4: do you have access to the indoor restroom? So kind

808
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 4: of beginning to think about the quality of the house

809
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 4: of housing, and I will say that part of the

810
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 4: conversation we're having today is about starting to push ourselves

811
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Speaker 4: as a nation to think about what is the standard

812
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 4: of living for our community. You know, we're the richest

813
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: nation in the world. We have tons ofbody spent on

814
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 4: paper towels and limpstick and you know, we you know,

815
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Speaker 4: but yet we think that having people twelve people to

816
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Speaker 4: a room.

817
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: Or having folks that have to go outside to use the.

818
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Speaker 4: Restroom or that do not have access to a functional

819
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 4: kitchen is okay, and that that means that you know

820
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Speaker 4: that that doesn't follow by them.

821
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Speaker 3: As un housed.

822
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Speaker 4: So I think I would ask everyone to think about

823
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Speaker 4: the question of what does it mean to ask someone

824
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 4: are you house?

825
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 3: Instead of asking someone are you host? And starts to Livia.

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Speaker 5: I think there's also an outreach component to it and

827
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Speaker 5: kind of bringing it back to that like movement and organizing,

828
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Speaker 5: looking at how to actually talk to this community that

829
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Speaker 5: you're looking right and so as someone with a community

830
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Speaker 5: organizing background, are you on Spanish language radio? Are you

831
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 5: going to the Catholic churches? Are you letting people know

832
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Speaker 5: that this is available? That's also I think important conversation

833
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 5: and I think.

834
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Speaker 1: We're at time when we come back we're going to

835
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Speaker 1: get further insight from presenters Melissa to Chia and Dianeda

836
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Speaker 1: nevardis Martinus right after this break, Welcome back to Whedian House.

837
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Speaker 1: We had a very stimulated conversation on the topic of

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Speaker 1: LATINX houselessness. Here are more of their foughts. My name

839
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Speaker 1: is Steve Henderson, This is Whedian House. This is State

840
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: tue on the National Alliance for Homelessness Conference, and we

841
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: have two dynamic speakers that gave a presentation today. So

842
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask them some questions and we can

843
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: take the conversation from there. So let's introduce ourselves.

844
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: Hello, my name is Melissa chinciam Is Martinez.

845
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Speaker 1: Excellent, So let's ask the obvious question because you did

846
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: mention UCLA. So how did you guys start it off

847
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: in this research.

848
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so we both are PhDs and we've been doing Yeah, and.

849
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Speaker 1: The doctors are in we been doing this research.

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Speaker 5: For quite a bit of time. Yesterday when they were asking, oh,

851
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 5: how long you've been doing it, we will kind of

852
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 5: looked at each other because it's been about ten years

853
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 5: for both of us. Right home, we've been doing homeless

854
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 5: homelessness research and so I actually started doing this research

855
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Speaker 5: because I started working with informal settlements on the US

856
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 5: Mexico border called colonias, because I grew up in a colonia.

857
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Speaker 5: And as I've been looking at informal housing in the

858
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Speaker 5: United States, because that research has traditionally looked mostly at

859
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Speaker 5: the global South, We've come up with a typology of

860
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Speaker 5: what it looks like also in the US, and that

861
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 5: includes the colonias, but also folks who are unhoused. And

862
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Speaker 5: so that's how I kind of ended up doing work

863
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Speaker 5: with menhouse folks.

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Speaker 1: Look at you, doctor, how about you?

865
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Speaker 4: So you know, I first started doing research around homelessness,

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Speaker 4: specifically around veteran homelessness. So some of my work is

867
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Speaker 4: around veteran homelessness and the HUDBASH program, which is a

868
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Speaker 4: permanent support of housing program specifically targeted towards veterans. But

869
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Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen, I specifically, you know, I have the

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Speaker 4: opportunity to do some local work around Latino homelessness. And

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Speaker 4: one of the things that I learned was that no

872
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 4: one was doing the work in the area of Latino homelessness.

873
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Speaker 4: So this was another report done in partnership with the

874
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Speaker 4: UCLA's Latino Policy and Politics Institute, and what we did

875
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Speaker 4: was try to understand recent increases in Latino homelessness in

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Speaker 4: La County and what was being done and what were

877
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 4: some of the challenges with addressing Latino homelessness. So that

878
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 4: work really evolved to some of the you know, the

879
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Speaker 4: work that we were discussing today and also partnering with

880
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Speaker 4: Dya and talking to her about potential projects to do.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's been a process. Well, not a lot

882
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Speaker 3: of people are doing the work.

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Speaker 5: We kind of found each other because we were both

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Speaker 5: looking at these issues and have continued to do work together.

885
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's so awesome too because now when

886
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Speaker 1: I it gets me excited too because it's because I

887
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: live in Los Angeles and I know, you know, what's

888
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: going on with the veterans over there in the Westwood area,

889
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: how they're being displaced the places. So it's in this

890
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: ongoing thing. There's the veterans that were staying outside of

891
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: the Veterans Hotel and the Nimbi's and I covered the

892
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: story and they went over there, yeah, a Veterans role

893
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: and they ran them off and they packed them into

894
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: tiny sheds on the campus where they're This was.

895
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Speaker 6: Our conversation her breakfast yesterday.

896
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Speaker 1: Yes, and so it's again the soccer continues because a

897
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: lot of the allocation and the property was for veterans

898
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: to have housing. But what is going on is that

899
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: they're selling or subleasing to other places. Of course, UCLA

900
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: private schools and other places over the baseball stadium, if

901
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: I remember correctly. So these things they intertwined, but I

902
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: also wanted to bring the things back to what I

903
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: really think is impactful. What you guys do is talk

904
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: about double housing, a double up houselessness because of the

905
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: fact that it's not a conversation point that's really hit

906
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: the lexicon of our communities. Because I grew up listening

907
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: to people saying, wow, it's so good every other thing

908
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: especialist I'm African American. They will say cultures, they could

909
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: all live together in one house and da da da

910
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: da da, but we can't even live you know. They

911
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: used to use that as a pejorative as we were

912
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: sold devices, we were sold hostile to each other, that

913
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: we couldn't come together. But with examining the conversation a

914
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: little further, it is not necessarily where we were bad people,

915
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: but it's also horrible to have the situation at a

916
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: rich country day we get in that we have this

917
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: kind of doubling up, and we're thinking that's going to

918
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: be a socide of the accepted. Any insights on this, m.

919
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 4: H yeah, I mean the issue of doubling up, like

920
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 4: you're saying, oftentimes the idea has been oh great, well

921
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 4: you have someone to stay with, and but there hasn't

922
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 4: been as much conversation around what that actually looks like,

923
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Speaker 4: including you know, not only what it looks like for

924
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 4: the individual that's staying doubled up, but the whole household

925
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 4: as well, because oftentimes what we see is that when

926
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Speaker 4: individuals double up there, the whost household is often also

927
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 4: in financial strain. So if you look at I mean,

928
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 4: other work's been done around public housing and residents and

929
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 4: their networks, and there tends to be a draining of

930
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 4: resources that happens when someone is seeking resources from another

931
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Speaker 4: low income household or individual.

932
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Speaker 3: So that's something that happens.

933
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Speaker 4: And then also the experience for the individual that's staying

934
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Speaker 4: in you know, whether that be CouchSurfing or doubled up

935
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Speaker 4: in another type of manner with the whole household. I mean,

936
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Speaker 4: you hear stories where people experience a lot of anks,

937
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Speaker 4: like mental health issues because of what that looks like.

938
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Speaker 4: You know, we hear stories of folks being like I

939
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Speaker 4: heard the mumbling when is he gonna leave? Like you yeah, yeah,

940
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 4: they like when I came home, they looked at me like,

941
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 4: oh god, he's here again. So and then eventually deciding

942
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Speaker 4: to leave the whole household and experience street homelessness because

943
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 4: of the shame and the just like feeling like a

944
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Speaker 4: burden onto family or friends.

945
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Speaker 1: That's that discuss too. When I got ill and ahead

946
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Speaker 1: my stroll, I started doing couch surfing, and I can

947
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Speaker 1: tell you maybe I jumped the gun. I was too

948
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Speaker 1: hyper sensitive, but I didn't want to stay overwhere my welcome.

949
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Speaker 1: And that is a real reality and it definitely does

950
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Speaker 1: do with your mental.

951
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 5: Hell that were trying to recover from a stroke, that's

952
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 5: not what you want doing. And we have seen some

953
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Speaker 5: really extreme cases. So for example, in the Central Valley,

954
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Speaker 5: they found like one house with forty people living there

955
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 5: that is insane, and what people were doing is taking

956
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 5: churned sleepings. Half of the house would work at night,

957
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 5: and then half of the house would work during the

958
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 5: day and they would take shifts. What that also didn't

959
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 5: take into consideration is the children that lived there who

960
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 5: weren't able to access the facilities because there was always

961
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Speaker 5: someone getting ready to go to work or coming home

962
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Speaker 5: from work, and they take priority, right, and so then

963
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 5: they were getting sick, they were getting ut I s,

964
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 5: they were having all these stress I'm sure from just

965
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 5: so many things going on and not having access to

966
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 5: your own back through right.

967
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: Not only that, being a kid is like, you know, kid,

968
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: is this normal thing running around.

969
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 5: Quiet because there's someone sleeping and like, and I'm sure

970
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 5: people getting frustrated because the kids were playing and they

971
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 5: couldn't sleep right, and so all of these things are

972
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 5: are you know, And and one of the things that

973
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 5: we do want to say is, you know, we do

974
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Speaker 5: do multi generational housing, but that's not this.

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00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: And I was going to say, you know, we we

976
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: did try to do much generational housing, but sometimes, let's

977
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: be real, like, at least in my family, somebody primarily

978
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: gets on my nerves, so I don't so, you know,

979
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Speaker 1: so I'm sure that they may be the case of

980
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: what they would make it these say is like okay,

981
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: if you if you bet on you know, okay, so

982
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: you don't. We don't want to sleive with her. But

983
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: the point of it is is that this is the

984
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: conversation that really we should be talking about more, shouting

985
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: it to the rooftops and understanding what the difference is

986
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: between multigenerational housing and not using it as a blanket

987
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: to obscure the realities of what's reliferanty.

988
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, put resources into helping people need assistance, right.

989
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: And I think to one of the things I want

990
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: and I won't hold you along. You guys had to

991
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: get an excellent presentation, But I think in closing is

992
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: that the fact that we as a community allocating the

993
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: funds because we keep hearing this stuff that there is

994
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: a shrinking we be fighting resources. I went to another

995
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: presentation and they did say we do have the funds.

996
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: They are deliberately shrinking and taking the funds away. So

997
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: I think too, like, you know, what what we could

998
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: do as a society, and what we do to do

999
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: to plug in is to start organizing. Give us our

1000
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: dayn money back so we can be able to do

1001
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: this so we don't have this excuse that we don't

1002
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: have the money. We did have the money. We have

1003
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: What was it say, eight hundred billion dollars in medicaid

1004
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: and we are there having to only have like a

1005
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: three percent usage. If they go past the three percent,

1006
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: then you know, then all help bus is loose and

1007
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: all of this. Then people have to do these contortionist

1008
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: acts and bump into other people's sources. I mean, I

1009
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: think that's ridiculous. You know, we don't do that three

1010
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: percent when we're doing investing moneys over in other places

1011
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: like Gaza. But that's another another conversation.

1012
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 5: One of the things that you know, we've seen, especially

1013
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 5: in places like LA is that people aren't willing to

1014
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 5: invest in this. They vote to, you know, try and

1015
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 5: solve this issue and put money into it. And what

1016
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 5: we need to do with that money is housing.

1017
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 3: Yes, we want.

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00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 5: This is one of the conversations that I have a

1019
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 5: lot is that programs are great. You know, assistance for food,

1020
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 5: assistance for healthcare, those are all great, but they don't

1021
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 5: solve homelessness. They solve hunger, they solve you know, food

1022
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 5: and security or health issues, but not homelessness. The only

1023
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 5: thing that solves homelessness is housing.

1024
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: And I think dignified housing. I want to clarify it.

1025
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: I always keep saying it because everyone because I live

1026
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: right now in oursro we have very restrictive or oppressive

1027
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: type of environment we have where and I think that's

1028
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: the key to it. Dignified house.

1029
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'll just add that, I think the first

1030
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 4: question is what are our values and priorities as a

1031
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 4: nation and as a people, right, And then I think

1032
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 4: the other piece of it, as was mentioned during the plenary,

1033
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 4: it was like, how do we build the tent bigger?

1034
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 3: Right?

1035
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 4: So, as was mentioned during the presentation, part of the

1036
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 4: conversation is also about building the tent bigger. And we

1037
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 4: have historically seen homelessness as like, oh, it's the what

1038
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 4: we can see on the streets, and we have a

1039
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 4: lot of people that think like, oh, homelessness doesn't affect me.

1040
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 4: So part of it is reframing the way that we

1041
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 4: think about homelessness, where homelessess is not just like you know,

1042
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 4: what you see on the street, but it's a lot

1043
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 4: bigger than that. It's that whole iceberg that we need

1044
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 4: to capture. It's workforce housing and people being able to

1045
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 4: live and work in the same area. It is quality housing.

1046
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 4: It's a lot bigger than what the eye is able

1047
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 4: to see.

1048
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 5: Things whenever I tell people like, literally most of the

1049
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 5: un house folks that I've ever worked with have jobs.

1050
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 6: Yes, and they're like, what, like.

1051
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 5: Yes, some of them have too, and they still cannot

1052
00:58:59,120 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 5: afford the.

1053
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Speaker 1: I remember a few years ago, I don't know, I'm

1054
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: around a pandemic, they did a story about Santa Barbara.

1055
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: Santa Barbara's an expensive place, and they were showing that

1056
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: the people that were working, like nurses and other provisors

1057
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: were literally living in their car if they couldn't afford

1058
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: the rents in there. So it's a reality that you

1059
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: know that you will be very surprised that many on

1060
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: House community members are employed, people doubly employed, and still

1061
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: can't afford the rent. So it's not a matter of

1062
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: lack of ingenuity or lack of will to work. It's

1063
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: one of the things that which I would close this on.

1064
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: It services the rent that you pay here on earth,

1065
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: and one of the things that a society, as a

1066
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: moral society, we must create a better service to our

1067
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Speaker 1: fellow human beings and creating dignified living, quality of life

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Speaker 1: and living examples. I thank you all for stopping by.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. To Melissa Chinchia and Dianita Nevadus Martinez.

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Speaker 1: And that wraps up this episode of Whedian House. This

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Speaker 1: is the first episode from my trip to DC. Stay

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Speaker 1: tuned for more interviews and presentations from the conference. Please

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Speaker 1: or Whedonhoust gmail dot com. Thank you again for listening

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