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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, rain drops on today's episode Reality

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Speaker 1: with the King, I am back with Ebie k Williams,

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Speaker 1: the legal ego, easy Expert, all the things.

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Speaker 2: She has been such a source of information for us.

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Speaker 2: And listen, this trial we are going to talk about,

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Speaker 2: in addition to the verdict that was reached is a

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Speaker 2: pop culture sensation because because it involved a hip hop

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Speaker 2: sensation and a pop star and all the things by

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Speaker 2: the name of Carti B and Ebony is gonna break

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Speaker 2: down the case with us because this has been like

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Speaker 2: eight years in the making or seven years maybe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it was this so happened in two thy twenty

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Speaker 3: I think or twenty nineteen and then yeah, fou and

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Speaker 3: now we finally five six years later, we finally have

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Speaker 3: a judgment.

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Speaker 4: Which is insane.

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Speaker 2: So I did not know Carti even had to go

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Speaker 2: to trial for something like this. So Ebany, can you

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Speaker 2: explain to us exactly what happened, because one thing I

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Speaker 2: would like to say is this Carti b was on

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Speaker 2: trial for an incident that occurred in twenty eighteen. She

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Speaker 2: was accused of assaulting a security guard. And this case,

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Speaker 2: like we said, finally happened seven years later.

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Speaker 4: Abony, what are the details, honey?

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Speaker 5: So so much to go into.

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Speaker 3: So I want to start with the framing of what

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Speaker 3: this trial was and what it wasn't. Carlos, So let's

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Speaker 3: be clear, right drops, this was not a criminal trial.

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Speaker 3: There was nothing criminal at stake, Okay. So this was

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Speaker 3: the police officers weren't involved, none of that. This is

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Speaker 3: what we call a civil matter, okay. So this goes

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Speaker 3: back to all my legal legals law students, pera legals

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Speaker 3: legal assistant. This is a torts claim, okay, which is

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Speaker 3: a class we take. Don't you just love going to

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Speaker 3: law school with abide k Williams.

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Speaker 4: You don't obsessed with you?

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Speaker 5: This is just a time for back to school, Carlos.

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Speaker 4: Look about outfit.

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Speaker 3: I let's say you got your little back to school

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Speaker 3: polo on. Yeah, we're not gonna do the same. So yes,

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Speaker 3: So this is a tort, which we learned about our

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Speaker 3: very first year of law school. Torts can also be crimes,

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Speaker 3: So this.

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Speaker 5: Is where it could be confusing.

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Speaker 3: Right, So when you normally hear assault and battery, we

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Speaker 3: normally think of the criminal justice system, right, we think

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Speaker 3: about somebody getting arrested and potentially going to jail or

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Speaker 3: probation for committing an assault or battery, a harmful touching

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Speaker 3: of another. Right, But then there's a torte version of

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Speaker 3: all of those same things, Carlos. So we know in

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Speaker 3: this case, Cartie was on trial for allegations that she

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Speaker 3: committed tortes, which are civil wrongs. That's what a tort is,

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Speaker 3: a civil wrong. They can include and did in this

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Speaker 3: case include assault, battery, emotional infliction of emotional intentional infliction

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Speaker 3: rather of emotional distress, also negligence and all kinds of things.

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Speaker 4: And so the judge or.

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Speaker 3: Jury in this matter, in this case it was a

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Speaker 3: jury gets to decide there's not a guilt or innocence.

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Speaker 5: That's something else I want to clear up.

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Speaker 3: So she was never going to be found guilty, and

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Speaker 3: she was never going to be found not guilty because

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Speaker 3: that doesn't apply to civil cases.

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Speaker 5: You're either found liable or not liable.

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Speaker 3: This is important difference, Carlos, because it's a different burden

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Speaker 5: I know you know this. The standard of proof is

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Speaker 5: what beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Speaker 3: So that means it needs to be proven at a

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Speaker 3: very high likelihood, more reasonable than not that you absolutely,

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Speaker 3: in fact not more reasonable than that. Excuse me, I

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Speaker 3: mispoke ray drops beyond a reasonable doubt. So you have

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Speaker 3: by the testimony by the forensics, that no reasonable doubt

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Speaker 5: Period.

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Speaker 3: That's the bar, and it's that high, Carlos, because people's

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Speaker 3: That's a high bar. Totally different standard of proof in

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Speaker 3: a civil matter. You only have to be believed to

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Speaker 3: be responsible for the things you're accused of. We call

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Speaker 3: it fifty one percent more reasonable than not, more probable

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Speaker 3: than not that you did it. So that's why a

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Speaker 3: lot of times rain drops you'll see people bring a

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Speaker 3: could be argued, madam security guard, if you were so

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Speaker 3: injured and so distressed and so traumatized by this so

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Speaker 3: called scar and finger nail cut or what have you,

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Speaker 3: why not call the cops, Why not have Cardio arrested?

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Speaker 3: Why not, you know, pursue it in a criminal court?

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Speaker 3: That's what oftentimes people say.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: Oftentimes, Carlos is not pursued criminally because there's not enough evidence.

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Speaker 3: There's not enough to reach that high burden of proof

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Speaker 3: of beyond a reasonable doubt. So you bring that burden

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Speaker 5: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 4: No, it makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Because the thing that was so confusing to me,

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Speaker 2: which is why I'm glad you cleared it up, is

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Speaker 2: although the former security guard alleged that Cardi b spat

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Speaker 2: on her, scratched her nose with a fingernail doing a

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Speaker 2: verbal altercation, this wasn't a criminal.

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Speaker 4: Trial.

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Speaker 2: So your breakdown is great because we're now able to

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Speaker 2: really understand exactly why this case was even happening. So

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Speaker 2: the woman, the former security guard, she decided like you said,

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Speaker 2: to sue Cardi b for this alleged altercation not criminal

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Speaker 2: but civil.

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Speaker 4: She sued her for twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Million, Okay, she sued her for twenty four million dollars

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Speaker 2: for again rain drops, for allegedly saying for Carti allegedly

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Speaker 2: spitting on her her nose with a fingernail.

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Speaker 4: Talk to us about this, and why would any lawyer.

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Speaker 2: Agree to take on the case a of this magnitude

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Speaker 4: But also to say, twenty four million dollars seems like

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Speaker 3: It's laughable, right, So I have to say for me,

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Speaker 3: and this is my actual legal opinion here, Carlos, not

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Speaker 3: my personal opinion. I think this case was over before

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Speaker 3: it started because of that number. Knowing no other facts, right,

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Speaker 3: knowing no other facts, whether there's going to be somebody

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Speaker 3: to testify to them seeing Cardi do this or not

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Speaker 3: the audacity and really the willful kind of bad intention

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Speaker 3: client in civil court. And the most egregious harm you

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Speaker 3: can sign eight is the being spit upon and a

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Speaker 3: three inch fingernail laceration. And you talking about twenty four million.

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Speaker 3: You've undermined your own credibility just in the filing of

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Speaker 3: the complaint.

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Speaker 5: See what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Now, let me tell you how it could have gone different.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying Cardi would have been found liable or

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Speaker 3: that she should have been I'm just saying how it

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Speaker 3: could have played out with more of an opportunity for

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Speaker 3: the plaintiff here, the security guard, to have a better

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Speaker 3: outcome that she was seeking. You, and I believe this

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Speaker 3: is true in the state of Georgia. In most states,

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Speaker 3: when you follow a lawsuit like this, Carlos, you do

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Speaker 3: need to put some number on the table. They normally

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Speaker 3: require you to put some number. You can't just say

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Speaker 3: whatever the jury thinks, but you can do it in

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Speaker 3: a less much less aggressive way. You can say, and

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Speaker 3: the plaintiff seeks in excess of ten thousand dollars of damages,

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Speaker 3: and that can be up to millions, but we're putting

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Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: And because that threshold, DIC takes what type of court

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Speaker 3: been filed, this lawsuit been filed at the onset, Carlos saying,

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Speaker 3: same complaint, same facts, same allegations, and the relief we

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Speaker 3: seek your honor is in excess of ten thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Let us have our day in court now. I'm willing

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Speaker 3: there could be some truthfulness to what you're going to

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Speaker 3: put before this court. But when you come in this

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Speaker 3: court talking about a spat upon in a three inch

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Speaker 3: nail laceration each of about twenty four million dollars, it

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Speaker 3: reads like you're operating in bad faith from day one.

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Speaker 3: Reads it's giving scam, it's giving extortion, it's giving payday,

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Speaker 3: and it's giving bad faith again and that's a legal term.

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Speaker 3: It's giving that you, the client, you and your client

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Speaker 3: it are operating in bad faith. And I'm already looking

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Speaker 3: at all the facts and evidence that you're putting before

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Speaker 3: me from that lens, that that landing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh baby, it's a jet blue holiday.

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Speaker 4: Right right right? What if the kids saying Jetsu holiday.

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Speaker 2: This is reality with the king, and I'm Carlos King

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Speaker 2: let's get back into the show. It makes so much sense.

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Speaker 2: So what Ebany is saying is or her legal opinion.

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Speaker 2: The fact that due to an alleged three inch laceration

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Speaker 2: what the security guard said under oath is that this

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Speaker 2: incident traumatized her and that it required a cosmetic procedure

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Speaker 2: because of the scarring from the alleged assault. She also

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Speaker 2: said that she lost her job over the incident as well.

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Speaker 2: What's so fascinating about that is, let's just say, for

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Speaker 2: the sake of an argument, right, let's say this did happen.

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Speaker 2: Let's say that someone of Carniv's stature, who is worth

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Speaker 2: millions and millions and millions of dollars, did actually make

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Speaker 2: contact with anybody, did actually spit on somebody, did actually you.

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Speaker 4: Know, scratch her scratch her face with the nail. Based

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Speaker 2: Legal expertise, if this really did happen, it's twenty four

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Speaker 2: million dollars still an amount that should be awarded to

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Speaker 2: somebody dealing with that.

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Speaker 4: Plus a cosmetic procedure. So here's the.

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Speaker 3: Good news, Carlo. We don't even have to speculate about it.

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Speaker 3: The answer is, of course, that's totally irrational, and we

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Speaker 3: have a mechanism in the law that allows for us

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Speaker 3: to determine what is rational. I love this, I love

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Speaker 3: doing this with you. It is just so nostalgic for

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Speaker 3: me to go back into my early tutelage as a

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Speaker 3: young legal scholar and realize when I learned these things

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Speaker 3: for the first time. Seriously so again. First year in

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Speaker 3: law school we get told about the concept of a

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Speaker 3: quantum assessment of damages. Okay, there's all yes, there are books.

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Speaker 3: There are now I'm talking about That's how dated myself

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Speaker 3: talking about books electronic documented oh child, But yes, now

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Speaker 3: there are electronic documents and access points and all kinds

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Speaker 3: of things where you can look this up and say hey.

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Speaker 3: And there are all kinds of things that we take

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Speaker 3: into consideration, Carlos King. We put on the table and

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Speaker 3: we come up with a reasonable figure. They include the

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Speaker 3: following the actual medical bills. So like you say, let's

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Speaker 3: say this actually happened. Let's say you're which means you're

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Speaker 3: gonna have a literal receipt, ma'am of what the cosmetic surgeon,

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Speaker 3: cost of what your primary care visits, cost of what

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Speaker 5: You see, I'm saying all of that.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna add all your bandages and dressings, your nearest

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Speaker 5: I don't add it all up. Put it all on.

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Speaker 3: The table, Carlos. Now this is the nickel and dime

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Speaker 3: band a bitch, Put it on the table. Skin flash

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Speaker 5: Put it on the town. Okay, So that's after.

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Speaker 2: So were not half a bad day a beauty uh coloration,

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Speaker 3: So that's one column of expense, right, actual medical expenses. Now,

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Speaker 3: let's say you did lose your job behind this, Okay, ma'am, respectfully,

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Speaker 3: Then let's say you're traumatized. Let's say you gotta see

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Speaker 3: up at best at best at best, at best three

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Speaker 3: So now that you're talking about anything over a half

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Speaker 3: when we come up with these numbers, Carlos, we add

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Speaker 3: everything we can conceive of you. That's why I'm being funny,

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Speaker 3: but I'm being kind of This is really how it goes.

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Speaker 3: You stretch the limits of possibility to bring all future

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Speaker 5: So you put all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is how we do. This is what we

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Speaker 3: you multiply it by three. Why three for the damages themselves,

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Speaker 3: and then the third for the taxes. Because you're still

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Speaker 3: income not not out of ten times. Oh yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: great jumps learning today, baby, okay.

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Speaker 2: So yeah so so. But but but to stop you there,

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Speaker 2: because I'm just so fascinated by this. The lawyer, whatever

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Speaker 3: Which could just be if I'm so over, if it's

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Speaker 3: gets that third. If it's Carlos King and Associates and

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Speaker 3: you pay, because that's how the legal partnership works. But

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Speaker 3: the point is, one third of whatever the plane of

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Speaker 3: the nature of a standard contingency agreement. One third goes

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Speaker 3: that number is high enough, Carlos to where there can

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Speaker 3: I couldn't get to more than three four hundred thousand.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then it's times the three.

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Speaker 3: And again, at best, you're you're asking four million bucks,

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Speaker 3: when you start talking about twenty four million dollars for

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Speaker 3: even the most astronomical expansion of damages, you're operating in

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Speaker 2: Perspective, one of the things that I do want to

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Speaker 2: some people have said it was inappropriate. He asked her

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Speaker 2: how big she was. He asked Party B about her raise.

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Speaker 2: He asked Cardi B. What and now she's wearing a

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Speaker 2: wig today? Her hair was sure yesterday. It seemed like

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Speaker 2: this was a Saturday Night Live parody on Scandal, right,

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Speaker 2: it didn't seem believable. And Cardi b who's a personality,

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Speaker 4: He had a tough case to present?

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Speaker 5: So a few things.

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Speaker 3: Number One, Carti is a pro and I'm talking to

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Speaker 3: forget before she was a Grammy Award winning artist. She

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: And so much of what we do in the courtroom, Carlos.

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Speaker 3: So much of who wins and loses in the court

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Speaker 3: not saying it should be that way. I'm saying that

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Speaker 3: didn't know who he was dealing with. From a Carti

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Speaker 5: Is just what the court of law is.

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Speaker 3: In many ways, Carlos King is just an amplification or

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Speaker 3: even a condensation rather of public opinion of the court

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Speaker 3: of public opinion. So you just scale that down on

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Speaker 3: Carti is not going to be any less effective on

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Speaker 3: that stage. Pun intended that she's going to be as

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Speaker 3: hop than when the cameras are off for the grand

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Speaker 3: same thing, same skill set. This case, this trial called

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Speaker 5: So we're talking about twenty years, see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So that's what I do.

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Speaker 5: I think this.

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Speaker 3: Attorney was entirely out of his league, failed to properly

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Speaker 3: the brilliance of what this witness, this defense witness, was

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Speaker 3: themselves tremendous disfavor. Like you said, only made themselves as

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Speaker 3: the attorney look unprepared, inadequate, caught off guard, and kind

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Speaker 3: a shit sound week that you intended to deliver to

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Speaker 3: the defendant, Cardi B and your ass had to eat it.

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Speaker 3: That's what happened in this trial, from my opinion, and

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Speaker 3: one of the first things we learned in law school

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Speaker 3: calls king when your whether you're on direct exam you're

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Speaker 3: we saw with Kurty and this lawyer, never ever, never, ever, ever,

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Speaker 3: already know the answer to.

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Speaker 4: Never. Yes, I even knew that watching Gather Law in

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Speaker 4: Order LA Law. Like, sorry, I'm screaming, but yeah, it's.

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Speaker 3: True because it's triggering what you know, what what what

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Speaker 3: is culturally ingrained in us to know about how these

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Speaker 3: The first thing must be first, Carlos, and you forgot

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Speaker 3: the first thing never, and that's why you wound up

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Speaker 3: surprising yourself. So no, I think Cardi gets all the

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Speaker 5: All of it. It was all brilliant.

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Speaker 3: And I also just kind of want to say substantively,

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Speaker 3: saying because I and any woman on that jury, mostly

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Speaker 5: Less you, uh baby libity.

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Speaker 3: They know how delicate and vulnerable that moment is, Carlos,

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Speaker 3: So you do what you're supposed to do, which is

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Speaker 3: exercise all of your assets of protection and privacy. The

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Speaker 3: so you could have that privacy and respect the tenderness

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Speaker 3: of your early trimesters of pregnancy, which we all know, Carlos,

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Speaker 3: to say, it's twenty seven weeks twenty maybe it's twenty

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Speaker 5: What we call having viability of life outside of the uterus.

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Speaker 3: I can't explain to you how delicate that moment deals

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Nimi. So as a.

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Speaker 4: Numb I got tip of this.

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Speaker 5: Oh my God, shout out to miss Leaks. I appreciate

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Speaker 5: being known for some people. I'm serious, child, So.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, as somebody known, Carlos, stay with me. Now what

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Speaker 3: I was in my early stages of pregnancy. I certainly

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Speaker 3: Of course, you know, my pregnancy wasn't known until I

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Speaker 3: and I discussed it. You were one of the first

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Speaker 4: Ch'a.

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Speaker 3: I took my little black ass in that in my

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Speaker 5: Here comes somebody y you own the breakfast.

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Speaker 3: Club, and then they walked away and then turned around

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Speaker 5: Now it was sweet. But when I tell you, my heart.

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Speaker 4: Saint, my heart saint just now and I'm not pregnant.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because now people can know. Now the information is

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Speaker 3: even if nobody even means you any ill will like

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Speaker 3: I did it. Ain't nobody ask you all that. What

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Speaker 3: you need to know is that it still a violation.

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Speaker 3: It's still a violation, and it's a violation such that

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Speaker 3: it becomes totally understandable and reasonable that Cardi would have

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Speaker 3: set up, Carlos, so that Carti in this circumstance is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, And listen, everything you're saying makes a

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Speaker 2: lot of sense.

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Speaker 4: It was a four day trial.

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Speaker 2: The jury deliberate, Sorry, the jury deliberated for less than

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Speaker 2: one hour.

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Speaker 5: Okay, just know exactly what type of time they were.

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Speaker 4: On that was.

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Speaker 2: That was obvious what the outcome is going to be.

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Speaker 2: But Ebony a question for you. While the deliberation was happening,

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Speaker 2: Cardi b went outside and she was confronted by a

442
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: paparazzo who asked her, Look, you're pregnant.

443
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 4: Is the baby, offset is the step fan? What's going on?

444
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: Cardi B took a marker that was from somebody and

445
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: threw it at this paparazzo and said, respect women pretty much,

446
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: you know, gave him, you know, some some tongue lashing,

447
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: and went about her business. A lot of people are like,

448
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: Carti B. You are on trial ful assault, Why would

449
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: you do this? Talk to me about that? Because the

450
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: prosecutor tried to tell the judge what happened outside, and

451
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: the judge wasn't here for it.

452
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 4: But it did raise the question ebidy K Williams, and

453
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 4: I did want to.

454
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Speaker 2: Ask you if you were Carti's client and you saw

455
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Speaker 2: her do that, would that make you nervous in the moment?

456
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Speaker 5: So a few things.

457
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Speaker 3: If I were Carti's attorney, I would advise my beloved client,

458
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Speaker 3: miss Cardi B, to not throw things, and let's keep

459
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Speaker 3: our hands to ourselves, and let's not even to the

460
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: point you're alluding to. Carlos gives the impression that we

461
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: even have violent tendencies, but people are human, and Carti

462
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 3: gets the benefit of being so well known to where

463
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: people generally can put in context her reactiveness. So if

464
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Speaker 3: you or I Carlos were somewhere and we throw a

465
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 3: pin at somebody, I think that would raise eyebrows because

466
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: people don't know us necessarily to be hyper reactive. They

467
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 3: don't have a context for us in that way. So

468
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 3: that would be like, wow, if you were bold enough

469
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: to throw a pin into a crowd of folks with

470
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: the cameras running, what are you like behind closed doors?

471
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 5: Carti gets the benefit of.

472
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: Us having a pretty damn good idea as to what

473
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: she might be like in a more closed door setting.

474
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: She is impulsive, she is reactive, So do you see

475
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 3: I'm saying it's a nuanced point, but I think it's

476
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 3: an important one that she actually gets. I would be

477
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 3: less concerned if Carti be as my client did that,

478
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: then I would be concerned if you were I did that.

479
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 4: I do want to ask you this.

480
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: So Carti, the after she was found not liable for

481
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: this particular situation, she did go back outside and spoke

482
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: about what happened. One of the things she said that

483
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: I do want to talk to you about because although

484
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 2: you're not famous, you are known, we love you. Epany

485
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: has the best. I really listen, I'm gonna sidetrack a

486
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: little bit. I really hope that you guys have y'all

487
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: told me personally. But I love the fact that y'all

488
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: get to see my friend Ebony her glory because she has.

489
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 4: A sense of humor.

490
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: She I know, y'all, I know some of y'all thinks

491
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: she's so serious whatever, Epany is a foot That I

492
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: get to show my friend in this light means the

493
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: world to me because she is buddy af to be.

494
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: But okay, Carti B.

495
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: After she was filed not libel, she thanks her supporters.

496
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: She called the lawsuit frivolous, but she also said this,

497
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: and you are a public figure, and I want to

498
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: get your thoughts on this.

499
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 4: You are famous and you are a lawyer.

500
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: Cardi B emphasized that she would not settle with anybody

501
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: because she's a celebrity, and she warned people against filing

502
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: frivolous lawsuits against them, noting that she works hard for

503
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: her money and that she will countersuit if this happens again.

504
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on that?

505
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: Because some celebrities do feel like because I'm famous for

506
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: all of the purposes. I have some money that people

507
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: are going to file frivolous lawsuits that has no bearings,

508
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: no truth in it, just because they want a payday.

509
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: Do you think couch assuming will scare these people away? Yes?

510
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 5: And also, first of all, I love that Cartis said this.

511
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: I love that she said this, and I love that

512
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 3: she said this in this moment immediately following this verdict

513
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: that was so favorable to her. And let's be clear,

514
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: Carti's has some momentum behind fuck around and find out

515
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: with Cardi b baby when it comes to this court

516
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: thing better as Tasha Kay very seriously, and she is

517
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: doing what most celebrities in her position Carlos King will

518
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: not do, which is make the time. Carti said, period, Die,

519
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: I'm going to make the time to play exactly the

520
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: games y'all want to play, meaning I'm going to come

521
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: to court, I'm going to put on my wig, my outfit,

522
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna raise my hand on the Bible, I'm gonna testify.

523
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: I'm going to do the thing that y'all are counting

524
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: on me not doing, which is half legal. Follow through

525
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: same thing with Tasha Ka all this, most people would

526
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: have got that verdict, multi million dollar verdict around Tasha

527
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: k owing her and went on with their not went

528
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: on with their business. Now, Cardi Carti's where's where's the

529
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: updated hearing so we can find out her current financial status?

530
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: And she's on it like clockwork every six months because

531
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: she actually it is to collect. Oh that's okay, Oh

532
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: hold on one, saying Carlos.

533
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 5: Last you get this?

534
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: Okay, No, it takes time.

535
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: Not should have broke the good dip teeth baby god damn,

536
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: like mama got that much grigy. So yes, I love

537
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: that Curti did this, Carlos, because this sends a message

538
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: that Carti is not the one to be played with.

539
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 5: And she said it flat out.

540
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: Uh.

541
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: We saw similar messaging from jay Z with Busby, you know,

542
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: but he said, not only am I not going to settle,

543
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: I'm actually going to come for you and your ability

544
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: to practice law in these cases. So I think whether

545
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: it's a counter suit, whether it is challenging the other

546
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: sides lawyers around their credibility to practice, I think that

547
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: type of punitive counteraction is very important because it sends

548
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: a message, Carlos that they are not sitting ducks to

549
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: just wait and be targeted for payouts, you know, and

550
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: I think it's very important and I respect it, you know,

551
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: like Carti said, And whether she works so hard for

552
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: it or not, it's her money period. It's her money period.

553
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 3: People are not entitled to in contrary to popular belief,

554
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: and it is long as enough celebrities Carlos are willing

555
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: to not make the time to go to court, not

556
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: make the time to file the counterclaim, not make the

557
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: time to put on their clothes and go down to

558
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: the courthouse and testify in their own defense on their

559
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: own behalf, and they feel that it is easier and

560
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: quicher to just write the check, which is their prerogative.

561
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 4: But you will.

562
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: Continue to see a cycle of civilians that see that

563
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: as a right opportunity for a quick payday, and some

564
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: will succeed. From what Cardi B said clearly and loudly

565
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: today is that she will not be the ATM. So

566
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to get somebody else to do it,

567
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: because Cardi B is not in the business of doing quick, fast,

568
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: easy paydays.

569
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 5: And I respect her greatly for it.

570
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: Last question for you, Ebanie, what advice do you give

571
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: public figures, celebrities or a person who has means when

572
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: they are confronted with a situation where they feel like

573
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: they may have to defend themselves but also do not

574
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: want to be in a situation where they can get sued.

575
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: And what some people again are calling a frivolous case.

576
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: What avice do you get people? Should they ignore and

577
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: move on? Should they have bodyguards with them? What do

578
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: you think?

579
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 5: This is a tough call.

580
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: It's a personal call, right, you know, if you can

581
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: afford the guard situation, I think that takes care of

582
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: a lot of it. Had Cardi had her own kind

583
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: of security with her, had Cardi had her own personal

584
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: security with her that day, I'm certain that person would

585
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: have been able to fend off this security of woman

586
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: and her claims and maybe wouldn't have gotten to this.

587
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: But two things to that point, though he agrees with you, yes,

588
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: something to say, don't she goodness, She's like, maybe I

589
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: want to be a security guard.

590
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 5: I don't know, Chia, wait wait on it.

591
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: But but here's where I'm careful about. Here's where I'm

592
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 3: careful Carlos about advocating for that as the answer A

593
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: that's an extraordinarily that is an extraordinarily expensive endeavor to

594
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 3: constantly have security. So a that is an extraordinarily expensive

595
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: endeavor to constantly have paid security with you twenty four

596
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: to seven around the I don't care who you are.

597
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: And secondly, I think that's that's a precedent that if

598
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 3: you're if you're wealthy and or famous, that you somehow

599
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: must bear the constant burden of never being able to

600
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 3: have any type of expectation of privacy. And I simply

601
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: don't believe that. I simply don't believe that, Carlos. I

602
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 3: get that that people are going to be interested in

603
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 3: your life. That is part of the price that any

604
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 3: of us pay that do our lives in a public fashion.

605
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: But I don't believe that the price has to be

606
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 3: so exorbitantly high simply because one has a talent or

607
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: a gift or something to offer to the public that

608
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: now you must sacrifice any sense of autonomy and ability

609
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: to be an individual with privacy and protection. So and again, again,

610
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: it's personal and it's different in every case. I could

611
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: see where somebody like Beyonce it makes more sense for

612
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: her to.

613
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 5: Have a Julius at all times.

614
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 3: But I could see, you know, I live in New

615
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: York City, you know, you've lived here, You live in Atlanta,

616
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 3: you live in la you live in Miami. You know

617
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: you we see all the and I'm not talking about

618
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: just known figures. I'm talking about a listers on the train,

619
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: walking down the street, walking to Whole Foods, traded, Joe's

620
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 3: getting a smoothie, and they get to do that. So

621
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: my advice would be, figure out how important it is

622
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: to maintain some level of autonomy and privacy and consistently

623
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 3: that's a key word. Consistently. Move according to that, move

624
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: according to that. When it comes to engaging directly with people,

625
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: whether it's paparazzi or just nosy people in public, I

626
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: think you got to really kind of figure out how

627
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 3: far you're willing to go around that. I personally don't

628
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: advise a lot of direct contact and engagement. It's one

629
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: of the things I love about New York. People tend

630
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: to mind their business, you know. But if somebody decides

631
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: they don't want to mind their business, then you know,

632
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: you kind of have to move accordingly. And I'm not

633
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: afraid of, you know, availing to law enforcement in those

634
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 3: kind of situations. And listen, I don't take that likely,

635
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: you know, it's black people in America.

636
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 5: You know, we know this. Sometimes when we invite law enforcement,

637
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 5: that can be its own problem.

638
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: Right, Seriously, we got to talk about this family, but

639
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: ultimately I'm going to defer that out rather than me

640
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: sitting up here trying to go toe to toe hand

641
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: to hand contact with an individual off the street.

642
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's a big choice.

643
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 5: And everybody gets to do that how they want to

644
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 5: do it.

645
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I got from it is what

646
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: you said. At the end of the day, do what

647
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: works for you. But everybody deserves their privacy. Yes, your

648
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: public figure, you deserve your privacy and you deserve your

649
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: personal space.

650
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 4: So I understand that. I get that. Ethnick Kay Williams.

651
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: I thank you so much for hopping on this again

652
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: your council baby Liberty.

653
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 5: Yes, this little girl is doing too much.

654
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: One more thing I did want to also say before

655
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: we wrap, Carlos that I love please. That I thought

656
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: was very much a class act and an important step

657
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: for her to take because of her responsibility as a megastar.

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Speaker 3: She also asked people to do this, lady, no harm.

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Speaker 3: She said, do this lady, Yes, I thought. You know

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Speaker 3: what's so funny I'm blake brought that up. That was

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Speaker 3: a takeaway for me too, like leave her alone, don't

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Speaker 3: do don't do her no harm.

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Speaker 2: Justice hasn't served. Let's all go out and just mind

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Speaker 2: our business.

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Speaker 4: I could not agree more. I thought that was stellar.

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Speaker 5: I that was chef's kiss.

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Speaker 3: Not that I wasn't already a Cardif fan, but I

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Speaker 3: walk away from this whole trial even more so because

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Speaker 3: of the person that she showed herself to be throughout

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Speaker 3: this entire thing. Charming, engaging, funny, but when at the

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Speaker 3: end of it all stood on business, absolutely stood on business,

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Speaker 3: but still with compassion and empathy that this is a

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Speaker 3: human being. Even if she was out here trying to

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Speaker 3: get a quick payday. She played herself, she didn't play me.

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Speaker 3: And so now we're gonna move on and we're not

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Speaker 3: gonna harass her. We're not gonna harass her family, or

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Speaker 3: her children or her parents. Were to let this lady

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Speaker 3: continue to live. Don't play with Cardi though, but let

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Speaker 3: her live, and anybody else with any bright ideas about

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Speaker 3: coming to play with me up around and find out

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Speaker 3: it was it was perfect.

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Speaker 4: Could not agree.

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Speaker 2: Mark I, that's honestly my favorite part of the speech

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Speaker 2: because it shows the level of integrity that she had

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Speaker 2: to make sure that this woman also was not going

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Speaker 2: to be you know, accosted, yes, and in salted as well,

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Speaker 2: So no kudos to that.

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Speaker 4: Kudos to you, Ebony, Kudos to you, Baby Liberty.

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Speaker 2: And the best part about is that the that the

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Speaker 2: range jobs love Ebony before I let you go. They

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Speaker 2: love when they get a chance to see you be

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Speaker 2: a working mom because it's so relatable to the world

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Speaker 2: and my audience. So we love when Baby Liberty makes her.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we love it.

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Speaker 2: We love it so know that is actually it makes

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Speaker 2: it makes the women who are the listeners, like Ebony

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Speaker 2: is one of us.

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Speaker 4: So kudos to you.

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Speaker 5: I love you, Carlos. I love the rain drops.

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Speaker 3: I love that we get these opportunities to have these

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Speaker 3: conversations rooted in law and pop culture.

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Speaker 5: And also our friendship.

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Speaker 4: So you're the best.

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Speaker 5: My love till next time.

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Speaker 2: Till next time, baby, love you, love you, Bye bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,

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Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.

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Speaker 4: With the Lack Effect Network.

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