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Speaker 1: What is a Bachelor Happy Hour Listeners. I have to

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Speaker 1: say I have never been more excited for this because

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Speaker 1: this is the first time we are live in over

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Speaker 1: two years at the Woman till All and tonight we

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Speaker 1: will be talking to all of your favorites from Clayton

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Speaker 1: season and boy, I have to take a breath because

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Speaker 1: we have so much to cover. It was a wild

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Speaker 1: Woman till All, and I can now wait to get

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Speaker 1: into it with some of our favorite people of the night.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited we have you, Sarah, and you are

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Speaker 1: obviously one of, well not even one of the only

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Speaker 1: girl that I helped host a date for this year.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you back. I mean, tonight

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Speaker 1: was wild. It was I'm sure, so much to take in.

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Speaker 1: So how are you doing after everything now that you've

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Speaker 1: had some time to breathe? Yeah, I mean it's very

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe it it than just weird,

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Speaker 1: you know, you It's one thing to live it five

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Speaker 1: months ago, and then at least for me, it's like

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Speaker 1: I went back into my life. I've gone from it,

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Speaker 1: made peace with things, so to have to come here

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Speaker 1: and revisit tough situations and you know, put myself back

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Speaker 1: and my old Jews to be able to speak about

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Speaker 1: it was hard, emotionally exhausting, but I think it was

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Speaker 1: necessary for me to be able to provide a little

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Speaker 1: more truth to a lot of situations and provide a

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Speaker 1: lot of context that people might not have seen on

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Speaker 1: the show in regards to my journey. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: made it a challenge to come in with no expectations

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Speaker 1: of anyone else but myself. As you can tell from

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Speaker 1: knowing me and seeing me on the season, I'm a

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Speaker 1: lot more self spoken and pretty conflict adverse and have

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Speaker 1: trouble kind of standing up for myself and speaking up

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Speaker 1: when when false narratives are getting thrown around, and I

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Speaker 1: think I did a poor job of doing that on

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Speaker 1: the show, So I wanted to take this opportunity to

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Speaker 1: to ask you because obviously there was so much that

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Speaker 1: was said tonight, but yeah, I mean there was so

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Speaker 1: much being said between like your truth and what the

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Speaker 1: other women were saying, So hearing some of the words

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Speaker 1: back of like what they had to say to you,

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Speaker 1: for instance, like Hunter and Genevieve. You know, you had

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Speaker 1: your response at that point, But is there anything more

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Speaker 1: you wish you could have said to them in that moment?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what I want to say and what I

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Speaker 1: was trying to say is that the only people I

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Speaker 1: ever shared directly any details with or my two closest friends,

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Speaker 1: which were Rachel and Teddy. So other people saying that

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Speaker 1: because I only ever shared intimate details with my closest friends.

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Speaker 1: Certainly wasn't going around the house sharing these things in

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Speaker 1: regards to just oh, how did your date go? What

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Speaker 1: happened here and there? Like, Yeah, we all shared that

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Speaker 1: it was pretty generic stuff and nothing that I would

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask you this, and I have

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Speaker 1: to take myself back to like my time when I

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Speaker 1: my scenario, I was the very first girl to get

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Speaker 1: what I did, everything. And then the next day and

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Speaker 1: date and when we confronted her of like what'd you do?

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Speaker 1: You know, how did it go? Anything like that, she

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Speaker 1: what else do you want for me? Like immediately when

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Speaker 1: And then it was like, oh, that's not good enough.

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Speaker 1: a problem. And that's what it felt like, and what

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Speaker 1: intimate details about many of the other girls, dates, conversations, etc.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't use it as a weapon against them.

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Speaker 1: I didn't take offense to it because I knew how

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Speaker 1: like I could have come out of the gate saying

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Speaker 1: anything I was sharing wasn't shouldn't have been like that

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Speaker 1: I could go on. I mean, there was so much

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Speaker 1: again tonight. I appreciate it. Thank you for having to

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Speaker 1: It was a crazy night. I'm so happy to find me.

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Speaker 1: It was a crazy night. I think. I think girls

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Speaker 1: the men or the women's time, Like the women who

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Speaker 1: So looking back. Now, do you wish you would have

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Speaker 1: I deserved to ask those questions and maybe make him feeluncomfortable. Yeah, well, listen,

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Speaker 1: I think it just honestly just became too late for us.

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Speaker 1: I think during my one on one, the other girls

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Speaker 1: so we just were not on an equal playing field. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so much has happened, obviously, so much more is to come.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're still healing from the breakup and everything

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Speaker 1: that was still led on tonight. But there's there's this

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Speaker 1: thing called Paradise that happens in a few months on

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Speaker 1: the Pieces of Mexico. I mean, could we expect to

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Speaker 1: see you there? I mean, after seeing your love story,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I have to go listen from somebody

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I would say, oh my god, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you were watching you like perfect relationship, so thank you.

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Speaker 1: Well it wasn't perfect on the beach, but now it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've seen your social media. So is there anyone that

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Speaker 1: might catch your eye on that beach? Um, I will

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Speaker 1: say I didn't see Michelle season, so I'm a little

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Speaker 1: bit behind on that. I think there were so many

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Speaker 1: amazing men now on her season. Um, I think Andrew Spencer,

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Speaker 1: okrank you so he'll be on The Bachelor live on stage.

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Speaker 1: See how we like it for you? Yeah, let me know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you though you dropped a bomb shelter,

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Speaker 1: Well you didn't Jessie did about Clinton's brother DM me

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Speaker 1: and you, Yeah, do you have any plans to responds?

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Speaker 1: Just no door, no one. Chord was enough for me,

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Speaker 1: I think. But it was a nice mess, like, it

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Speaker 1: It has been such an absolute pleasure watching you. And again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna do without you and

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Speaker 1: that from, because there's literally nothing else I saw him.

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00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 1: I met him that one time, and that's the only

429
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: time I've ever seen him. I did not kiss him.

430
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: Nothing happens. It's a good thing. I'm just gonna oh,

431
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 1: definitely a good thing. Oh my gosh, like, like, no,

432
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 1: that's so bad. She was not in the past, no one,

433
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: but okay, so you were free to roam the beaches

434
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 1: of Paradise. I am so free like I have. There's

435
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: no connection with anyone that like yeah, no, like you said,

436
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: good thing. Nothing happened with Aeron bat set up. We're good. Yeah,

437
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 1: oh nothing. And yeah, I'm like, yeah, it's funny because

438
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: she's just been like replying to all his dms and

439
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: he messaged me and he said, is she actually this crazy?

440
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, welcome the world of batch your nation. Yeah,

441
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: this is it. Okay, So speaking to Paradise, if you're

442
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: wide open, who in your perfect world would you see

443
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: walking down those steps. Honestly, it's hard for me because

444
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: I just need to meet like I need personality, Like

445
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: I need to know someone's personality. So I haven't met

446
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: any like other than Rain, not one time. I haven't

447
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 1: met anyone, So I don't really know physical wise. Gosh, okay, um,

448
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: anyone in baut your nation. The world is your oyster

449
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 1: Janny cute. I'm just kidding. Um uh uh, Rickie's cute. Oh,

450
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: Rickie's cute. We like brick came out of nowhere. I

451
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: don't know. I just think he's cute. Um, but like

452
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: I really don't know. Aaron's cute. Like I'm gonna just

453
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: drink drink. I wish I could do that too. No,

454
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 1: you like you have so much ahead of you, so

455
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: much to look forward to. You never know what's going

456
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: to happen in this crazy, crazy world. Um, after everything

457
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: is said and done, is there anything between you and

458
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: any of the women or Clayton himself, anyone that you

459
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: wish you would have said, done, etc. Beat on the

460
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: show or after. Honestly, I think that I just was.

461
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: I can't really hold back my thoughts, so like anything

462
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: that I was feeling, I said, um so going back,

463
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 1: I really don't think I wish I wasn't in all

464
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: the drama. But like, at the same time, I chose

465
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: to stick up for Elizabeth and kind of put myself

466
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: in that I didn't know go like on as long

467
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: as it did. But yeah, I guess I would just

468
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: if I could do it over again, I would try

469
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: and stay out of the drama. It's easier said than done.

470
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: But um, I forgot your main question. I forgot my

471
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: main question too. Just like any regrets or anything that

472
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 1: you wish you would have said or not said, whatever

473
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: it might be. I honestly there's nothing that I would

474
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: take back saying. Um. I think maybe, if anything, I

475
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: would have just called China out more and tried to

476
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: get but like there's no getting through to her. Like

477
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: I tried so many times to have her explain herself

478
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 1: and just like have everyone listened, and she just she couldn't.

479
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: So I think I said everything that I wanted to

480
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 1: and there's nothing left that I have to say anything. Well,

481
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: we'll leave it out that bigger and better things to come. Yes,

482
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us on Bachelor Happy Hour twice now. Yeah,

483
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: I hope to see you more. Thank you. And I

484
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: love the dress. I love the book and the baby

485
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: pink between you and the general reveal. Yeah, did you

486
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: guys know you were gonna worry my dad? We saw

487
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 1: each other and we're like, oh my goshh yeah, good

488
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: choice to start things off. And he should hold out

489
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: your hand, close your eyes. I'm gonna slip you something

490
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: real good. That's gonna make you feel better tonight. Okay,

491
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: it's Chiffo know me too well, I know you too well.

492
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: I saw you looking a little down and I said,

493
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: somebody get this man a damn Barren. No, Yeah, I absolutely, Oh,

494
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: I cannot say enough good things. Well, I saw you

495
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: smile when Rodney came out, Ronie, what do we take?

496
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: But the Brito is the gift that keeps on giving.

497
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: But Rodney also is pretty much a gift that keeps

498
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: on giving as well. Truly, he's a good friend. Speaking

499
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: of Rodney, I was gonna say so him and I

500
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: watched backstage together because we're here for Bachelorlive on stage.

501
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: But he is the best friend, the best way man.

502
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: Like so many times I can't can't even count how

503
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: many times he's like can I just go out there

504
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: and give him a hug? Like can I just go

505
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: get my boy? And I was like, Rodney, it'll come,

506
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: it'll come. He's been such a great support for me,

507
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: somebody that, yeah I didn't know a few months ago,

508
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: but somebody that is extremely genuine and listen, he's got

509
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: the whole as the whole world ahead of him right now,

510
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see where he takes things. But again,

511
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: he's just a positive light that when he walks into

512
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: a room, the room just completely lights up. And I

513
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: think that's a testament to who he is. And yeah,

514
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean I just second I saw him here, it

515
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: was not expect to see him today, and I went

516
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: from being kind of in the dumps too just instantly

517
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: smiling because it's people like that that you just have

518
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: to be really grateful for it because there's not many

519
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: individuals like him out there. Well, and he was hyping

520
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: you up and obviously he lived with you during Michelle's

521
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: season Dan and Day Out and got to know you.

522
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: But he said, like so many of the men and

523
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: women who know you support you, and today was rough,

524
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: Like I get it. The tells are never easy, they're

525
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: never fun. Of course it's going to be dramatic, but

526
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: it seems like you got the brunt of so much

527
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: of the women's anger. And I don't know if it's

528
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: because like they were just angry because of all the drama,

529
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: but like, overall, do you feel like you were able

530
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: to express enough to them of you know, you were

531
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: just trying to be you and find your person and

532
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: do this journey in your own terms and so apologetic

533
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: for certain things like do you feel like you left

534
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: it good and said everything that you had to say

535
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: for the women? Yeah, I'd say I think I was

536
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: able to say ninety five percent of what I wanted

537
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: to the five percent where I was just giving an

538
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: explanation because I was asked why I did certain things right.

539
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: There was a few times where the women you spoke

540
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: up and so now, and they kind of kind of

541
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: riled them up, and I realized, Okay, you're trying to

542
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: give an explanation, but it's coming across I guess this

543
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: is an excuse, and so I just pulled back at

544
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: that point and realize it's not I do not want

545
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: to try to excuse any of my behavior. I'm not

546
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: trying to justify. I just want to be able to

547
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: allow people to understand what was going on in my head.

548
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: But there's also the point of when you just need

549
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: to realize that offering explanation, um, it's going to just

550
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: bring up more emotion and do more harm than good.

551
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: And there were a few times to night where that

552
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: was a response I got, and I did not want

553
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: to go down that path and bring back that pain

554
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: and have this be not a conductive conversation. So for me,

555
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 1: I just took those moments to step back and realized,

556
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, don't go down that path, just move on right. Well,

557
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: I think you've always done such a good job of

558
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: recognizing your faults or your mishaps or where you maybe

559
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: went wrong, and you have no issue of calling them

560
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: out and you know, falling on the sword. One thing

561
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me when we first had you

562
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: on Bachelor Happy Hour weeks ago is you know, you're

563
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: very much like me where we like to talk, right,

564
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: I guess, welcome to the club. But when you were

565
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: coming on as a bachelor, your family had said, you know,

566
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: take a step back and listen right like, ask the questions,

567
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: but listen, would just really take in every everything that

568
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: everyone's saying, which you did a great job of, especially

569
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: those first few weeks. Do you know wish though at

570
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: any point you maybe stood up more and asked more

571
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: direct questions to the women to get to the bottom

572
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: of the drama sooner. Yeah, absolutely, I think I could

573
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: have asked more questions. That was one of the biggest

574
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: lessons that I learned through this entire experience is what

575
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: is the power of asking one more question. How much

576
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: farther that would that have taken you? Could you have

577
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: gotten to the other side of that entire conflict had

578
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: you just ask the right question. And that's something that, yeah,

579
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: I can absolutely do a better job of moving forward

580
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: being in medical sales prior that, that was a major

581
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: major talent that I think you have to have, is

582
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: you have to go to ask the right questions. Not

583
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: every question is a good one sometimes, Yeah, I mean

584
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: those questions can elicit negative emotional responses that caused someone

585
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: to shut down. And I now know, as I look

586
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: back at it all that I should have maybe shed

587
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: more light on some of these matters. Truthfully, I made

588
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: the incorrect assumption that some of these some areas of

589
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: these areas of conflict we're going to be able to

590
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: be hashed out. And I wanted to allow the women

591
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: the ability to do that. I didn't want to step

592
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: in as this macho man and say I'll take control that.

593
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: My whole hope is that you guys are intelligent, I

594
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: mature women, and I want you to be able to

595
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: try to solve this on your own. And then whenever

596
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: that wasn't the case, And yeah, I had to step in,

597
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: But I was so focused on trying to really focus

598
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: on my journey and find my person and fall in love,

599
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: and I definitely probably could have spent more time trying

600
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: to address the conflict, but I was just so hyper

601
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: focused on establishing genuine connections that I probably didn't really

602
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: give the attention to the conflict that I should have. Well,

603
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: I feel like you're like me in a sense where

604
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: you know you're at a certain age and you've own

605
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: and if you experience other relationships between you know, whether

606
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: that's physical, sexual, or even friendships where you're like, you know,

607
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: I hope this person's on my same level, and I

608
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: don't always have to address certain things at a certain

609
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: point and call people out, like you just hope that

610
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 1: they're kind of there and they're being honest with you,

611
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: which I feel like watching back as a viewer, especially

612
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: like in terms of the whole Chinney situation and everything

613
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: that encompassed, Like she was telling you one thing, and

614
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: you hope, as a mature adult, what she's telling you

615
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: is true. Right. Do you feel like now in a

616
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: sense you've kind of had to take a step back

617
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: from that process and be like, wait, now, I kind

618
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: of have to question everyone more. Is it kind of

619
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: like this mind fuck if you will. Yeah, yeah, that's

620
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: a really great way to put it. I probably, you know,

621
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: it's a fault of my own. I try to see

622
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: the good and everybody. Unfortunately in my life, I've dealt

623
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: with a fair amount of manipulative people that I did

624
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: not realize existed. And we're willing to go to the

625
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: extents that they would go to to push their own agenda.

626
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: And I think that was something that was very upsetting

627
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: to see that people could fake tears, fake emotions, say

628
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: one thing, but me and the other you know, how

629
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: do you read through that? I thought she did a

630
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: phenomenal job of manipulating me. And then I watched this

631
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: back and I see her laughing about the fact that

632
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: she fake cried and that she did such a good

633
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: job of acting in that moment, and I perceived that

634
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: as real emotion. And when you see that, and then

635
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: when that wasn't the only time where I felt that

636
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: somebody was potentially trying to push YOURWN agenda. As other

637
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: conflict arose, I started to question the entire journey because

638
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: I felt, if I'm not seeing this and the other

639
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: women are what else am I not seeing right? And

640
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: that became a really scary spot to fall into, because

641
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: then I started to question everybody and every single thing. Yeah,

642
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: do you feel like you ever got that back? Or

643
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: are you still kind of at this point in that

644
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: mentality of like, I don't know what's real, what's not,

645
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: what's fake? How do I follow the bullshit? Because I

646
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: get it, I've been there too. That's a question I've

647
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: asked myself almost every day since I've been off. It's

648
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: so hard. When does the show end? And when does

649
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: reality begin? The show was real, but yeah, people came

650
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: on this experience, as I've seen, to push their own

651
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: their own path forward, and at the expense of me,

652
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: they decided, Hey, I don't I'm not here for him,

653
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm here to do whatever with this platform. And I

654
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: think there's always that fear in the back of your

655
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: head of did you did you steer clear of all that?

656
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: Or is the show still ongoing? Is there's still more

657
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: that you're not aware of that's going to come to light?

658
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: And I think that's the fear. Is in any other

659
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,959
Speaker 1: environment in real life, you'd say, why would this person

660
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: feel the need to have to spend all this time

661
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: doing what they're doing. But in this environment, I think

662
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: a lot of individuals understand that there's a lot that

663
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: can come from this if they position themselves in the

664
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: right spot. And I've learned that there's a fair amount

665
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: of people that will do whatever it takes. And you

666
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: just hope that you steer clear from all that. Yeah,

667
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: like I said, it's a mind fuck, And it's like

668
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: this has been your life right four months now, and

669
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: it's still going to be your life whether you want

670
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: it to or not for a little bit at this

671
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: point in time, Like where are you at? I know

672
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: you can't give anything away, but like are you happy?

673
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: Are you well? Are you excited for what's to come?

674
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: Or are you just kind of like I'm ready for

675
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: it to be over and I'm stressed all of the above.

676
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: I think I'm nervous about the finale. I'm nervous to

677
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: face those women. I don't think it's any surprise. I'm

678
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: gonna be remorseful. I'm gonna not you know, it's it's

679
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be very challenging to uh navigate those conversations

680
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: because today I had, you know, some I had connections

681
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: with these women, but the ones that I'm going to

682
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: now see next are the ones that I had extremely

683
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: strong connections with, and I just know that emotion is

684
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: going to take over. And it's really really hard for

685
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: me to feel that there's anything I can say to um,

686
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: you know, give give a good answer for It's just

687
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: really it's gonna be really challenging, and so I know

688
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna face a lot of criticism. I know

689
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a lot of heat for all

690
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: of it. And but you know what, I should be

691
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: held accountable for my actions. You know, it's gonna it's

692
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: gonna be tough, but I can always fall back on

693
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: the fact that I did stick to my guns and

694
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: I and I followed my heart and I have followed

695
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: it all the way through. So if I can do that,

696
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: then I can I can say I don't regret anything. Yeah,

697
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: just un fortunately, sometimes on your heart is not you

698
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: don't come out the other side on scathes well, and

699
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: following your heart in front of millions of people, you'd

700
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: never come out unscathed. Right, Like, it's the next couple

701
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: of weeks will be crazy, wild, very very tough, but

702
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: I hope ultimately worth it, because at the end of

703
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: the day, Like I know you enough to know that

704
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: you're just a kind to noon guy. We all make mistakes, right, like,

705
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: no one is perfect, but you do deserve to find

706
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: that one person that loyal, respectful, loving partner, and I

707
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: hope you find it. I truly, truly do. I know

708
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: it's been a hell of a ride and I'm so

709
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: sorry with everything you've dealt with tonight. It was a lot.

710
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: But hopefully in a few weeks you can breathe easy

711
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: and you can kick up your feet and know it's

712
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: all worth it, and in the meantime you have to

713
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: pull it to help you. Yeah. Oh, that brat felt

714
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: a little cold though, I think it hit the microwave.

715
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: But what an absolute treat that has been talking to

716
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: all of our special guests, and I'm so happy that

717
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: we were finally able to do it in person again.

718
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: It has been far too long. I'm also excited that

719
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: this part of Clay and stourney is behind him and

720
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: we can finally find out where his love story begins

721
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: and ends. What is up, Bachelor Happy our listeners, It

722
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: has been a wild, wild week in the world of

723
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: batter Nation. We of course, had back to back episodes

724
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: this week with the women to all and now last

725
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: night's fantasy suits, so there was no way we weren't

726
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: going to get together and share all of our thoughts

727
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: on everything that transpired. And I am truly so happy

728
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: that we're doing this part two for this week's double

729
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: episode event because, oh my god, Becca, I have so

730
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: much to say about last night's episode. Can we please

731
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: just dive right into it? Oh girl, of course we can.

732
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: We're just we're not even going to dip our toes

733
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: in water, We're just going to go straight in. Of course,

734
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: I filmed with the women during the tell all, so

735
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: we of course couldn't miss fantasy suits because we've seen

736
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: crazy shit happen obviously in past seasons, but this one

737
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: I don't think was something any of us expected. I

738
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: truly don't even want to get into recapping Rachel or

739
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: Gabby's fantasy suits because they were so straightforward right like,

740
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: it was a love fest between both the women and

741
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: Clayton that we just have to get into Susie. And

742
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: I know you have certain thoughts, opinions, comments on Susie

743
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: and the fashion this week, so let's just dive right

744
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: into the favorite fashion moments. Oh I have thoughts, opinions,

745
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: hot takes on all of it. My my favorite fashion

746
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: moments is gonna go to Susie and I loved her

747
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: day look. I loved her night look. I don't know

748
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: if it's just because we saw her on our screen

749
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: so much, but it was definitely my favorite. I don't

750
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: know if she had a little help putting this outfit together.

751
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was maybe from her fashion

752
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: day in Vienna, but it was gorgeous all around, definitely

753
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: something a little more elevated than we've seen her wearing,

754
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: and I think it was definitely a statement goodbye look

755
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: that she put on that night. Having watched Susie and

756
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: just all the women's fashion all season, this look definitely

757
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: stood out to me only because it was boulder. It

758
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: was a little out of her color scheme, just across

759
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: the board, something that I would expect to see maybe

760
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: on Serene, Sierra, maybe a few of the women that

761
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: go for like these boulder sex here Eliza. It wasn't

762
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: something I would have put in Susie's wheelhouse, especially with

763
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: the match and green earring and accessory I have yet

764
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: to see on her yet, which at this point in

765
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: the season, all the women are repeating their accessories, so

766
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: I could be wrong here, I'm going to preface it

767
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: with I could be wrong. I would not be surprised though,

768
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: if someone ak the stylist styled Susie and Carrie, our

769
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: favorite angel, Carrie Fatman. If you did it, you rocked it.

770
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: If you did it, ten out of ten. It's one

771
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: of my favorite looks of the exact season. And I

772
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: will say, if it was all Susie, kudos to YouTube

773
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: because it was stunning. Oh yeah, Susie, if you're listening

774
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: to this amazing work, this is your basket look of

775
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: the season, and continue on this line with your fashion

776
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: choices because it looked stunning. Let's get into this overall,

777
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: not even the full date, just that evening portion because

778
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: that's where the juice juice all happened. What are your

779
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: thoughts overall, because I know why I have mine, but

780
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to write so

781
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: right now, I have so many thoughts. And look, we've

782
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: had Susie on the podcast. I really adored her, and

783
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: I've actually really liked her this whole season. But I personally,

784
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: if we're going team Susie, team Clayton in this episode.

785
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: I am one hundred and ten percent team Clayton and

786
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: disagree with actually a lot of the things Susie was

787
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: saying and doing in this episode. I had to stop

788
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: and pause the episode so many times to just like

789
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: yell at Joe about how frustrated I was watching this

790
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: all go down. But I think that Clayton handled himself

791
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: really well. My biggest issue, I'll just give you my

792
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: overlying issue and we can break it down from here.

793
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: I wish if that was a deal breaker she had

794
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: told him sooner, and my hot take is that it

795
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: wasn't just that it came down to her feelings, because

796
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: I think if she was madly in love with Clayton

797
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: and if she really saw a future with him like

798
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: she's been saying all season, there would have at least

799
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: been more of a fight or a discussion in trying

800
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: to see if that was something they could get past.

801
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: She's watched the show, she knows how it works, she

802
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: knows what fancy sweetsay is. This didn't come as a

803
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: total blindside to her. I don't know. I'm getting kid

804
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: it already. Back him, please take over? No, And to

805
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: play off of your point, there's a couple. Well, there's

806
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: a lot that goes into this, right, Like, she definitely,

807
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: if this was such a major issue, she should have

808
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: had that conversation with him prior to literally right before

809
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: getting the key to go into the fantasy suits. Like

810
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: timing was not on her side because of her decision making,

811
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: and she did have the worst state of fantasy suite

812
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: weeks she was going last. Yes, I understand that sucks

813
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: you're in your head constantly, but we've seen it before

814
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: where she has snuck out and has made time to

815
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: have a conversation with Clayton exhibit A when she told

816
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: him at the clock tower she was falling in love

817
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: with him and she planned that like little Getaway, she

818
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: could have found time I think this week at any

819
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: point just to let him know where she was, Like

820
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: how much it was wayne on her that if he

821
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: were to be intimate with another woman, if you were

822
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: to tell another woman he loved them, she could have

823
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: found that time to make that conversation because it seems

824
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: like it was the most important conversation for her to

825
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: have that where I think she definitely messed up, Like,

826
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: you know, I understand that you don't always have the

827
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: right time. You don't always have the means to see

828
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: the lead whenever you want. But also there's so much

829
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: time between hometowns and your time on fantasy suits that

830
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: that conversation could have happened. Yeah, and I'm even giving

831
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: him like an ultimatum, but like, let's say hometowns or

832
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: the week before hometowns. You know she has an inclination.

833
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: They have one of the stronger connections, and she might

834
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: be making it there just saying hey, look, I know

835
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: fantasy suits are a little bit away. I don't even

836
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: know if you and I are going to be there.

837
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: I hope we're going to be there, and if we are,

838
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: I think it's important that you know that intimacy for

839
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: me in a relationship is something I take really seriously.

840
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: It's not casual for me. It's a big commitment, a

841
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: connective experience, and I think it's important that you know

842
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: for me, if I'm there, that I would feel really

843
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with you exploring that with other women if it's

844
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: going to be me and you at the end of

845
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: this right well, and the whole thing is too in

846
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: my mind, she was set to go last in the week,

847
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: but had she gone first and had this alone time,

848
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: this overnight with Clayton, had this conversation, maybe things would

849
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: have changed, and he had mentioned that he wished she

850
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: would have known sooner, but also maybe not because he

851
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: still had three overall relationships to explore. So that's where

852
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: my hold up is is like, just because now you

853
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: asked him point blank, have you slept with these other

854
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: tw women, have you told them you loved them? Which

855
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: also like at this point really is none of her

856
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: business until they were like unless she was like the

857
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: last woman standing at the very end, I'm like, don't

858
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: even touch that separate relationship. She did have the opportunity

859
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: to still go into the fantasy suite overnight alone time

860
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: with him and just talk to him. It's not like

861
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: she had to be intimimate with him. No one's writing

862
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: these rules of like, oh you have to have sex

863
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: or you have to sleep together, you have to hook up,

864
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: Like you couldn't really use that time for whatever you want,

865
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: And she could have just used it to talk more

866
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: with him away from the lights and the camera and

867
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: the producers and everyone. And that's where I'm thinking, maybe

868
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: she wasn't just that into him if she couldn't even

869
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: allow herself that time, right, Yeah. Well, the weird thing

870
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: for me, and this is just my perception, is when

871
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: Clayton said I'm in love with you, over all her

872
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: attitude in the state, it almost like she sat down

873
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: having already decided that she was going home. Like to me,

874
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: she sat down in her energy the way it was

875
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: shown exuded I'm leaving at the end of this date,

876
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to fantasy suites like it lookally,

877
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: she had already made her decision without hearing even his

878
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: answer to her question, which was very bizarre to me

879
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: because she's claiming that it's based on the fact that

880
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: he told her, yes, I slept with the other women. Yes,

881
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm in love with the other women too. Yet there

882
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: was a very like cold, disconnected reaction. And I don't

883
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: know Susie personally, Like maybe that's just how she takes

884
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: shocking news, but I just found her so disconnected. Even

885
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: when he was saying, like I have something to share

886
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: with you, like I am in love with you, like

887
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: her shock didn't. There was no sign of like excitement

888
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: or joy towards him when he said that. It was

889
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: very much almost like shoot like disappointment on her face

890
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: and to support her. I've been in that same way

891
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: where I've gone into certain dates, certain nights already have

892
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: had having my mind made up where because I do

893
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: feel disconnected, because I was like, I'm set, I know

894
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: what I'm doing it, i know it's right for me.

895
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to waiver, which doesn't always resonate well

896
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: on TV then with viewers and with the other person.

897
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: So I can see play to playing off of your

898
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: like I I can't even talk to add to your

899
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: point of that, like outs where I'm like, she probably

900
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: did have her mind made up. She probably was set,

901
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm going home, which is why I have questions for her,

902
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: because if she had her mind made up and were crrapt,

903
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: then Clayton telling her I slept with Gabby and Rachel

904
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm in love with Gabby and Rachel also was not

905
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: actually the deal breaker because she didn't find that out

906
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: until she was sitting at the table, like let's call

907
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: it thirty minutes into their dinner, right. It's there's so much,

908
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: so many random things that go into the set. We

909
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: could keep going on and on about. One thing too

910
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: that really stuck out to me was I had mentioned

911
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier was that. When Clayton was talking

912
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: to Susan, he says, Oh, my god, I wish you

913
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: would have told me this sooner. I wish you would

914
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: have had this conversation earlier in the week. Maybe I

915
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: would have changed my approach. That part was weird to

916
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: me too, because again, like, would he then have been

917
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: doing a disservice to himself, to the other women, to

918
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: the relationship, Because if he genuinely is really truly falling

919
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: for all three of these women in different ways, would

920
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: he have just cut those other two relationships off had

921
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: he known how she felt? Like, I'm very interested to

922
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: see had this week one in a different order, what

923
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: would have happened? Because then I feel like, if he

924
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: was actually here doing what he was saying he was

925
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: doing to be the bachelor, to explore every relationship to

926
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: the end, why would you have changed it that that

927
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: much if you had such strong feelings for these two

928
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: remaining women. Yeah, I agree, I think so too. I

929
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: think he's saying like things could have maybe gone differently,

930
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's saying like I definitely would

931
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: have done I definitely wouldn't have done that if I'd known.

932
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: I think he's just saying like this would have been

933
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: information that I would have liked to have when I

934
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: was making my decisions. I'm not, like, I think it's

935
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: good to explore all the relationships personally, Like I've never

936
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: been the lead, so like I can't say like what

937
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: I would or wouldn't have done, But I think that

938
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: it's important that you're exploring all three of your relationships

939
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: to the fullest. And I think you know what you're

940
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: signing up for to an extent as a contest when

941
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: you're in that position. And I think that she kind

942
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: of set him up for failure by not telling him

943
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: how important that was to her, and then when it

944
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: came down to it, saying like sorry, that was a

945
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: deal breaker, and like actually it's over. I'm done. I'm

946
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: leaving right now. Isn't it wild to think about rehashing

947
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: past recent seasons. I feel like there's always something in

948
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: this week during Fantasy Suits that like rocks the boat,

949
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: rocks leep. We saw it with I mean we saw

950
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: it back on Colton's season. We saw it with Tasia

951
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: when Brendan laughed and said he wasn't ready to get engaged.

952
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: We saw it on Katie's season when Greg left and

953
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: who I don't even know who, like a couple of

954
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: the guys left, Like we just keep seeing this. I'm like,

955
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: what is it going on with the show where it's

956
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: like this week is like the bomb drops and like

957
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: everyone leaves, like chaos is stirred. It's insane, It's true.

958
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: How would you compare? Because I actually was talking to

959
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: Joe about this, I'm curious to hear your take. I

960
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of people when they watched this episode

961
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: are going to say, well, Maddie Pruett did the same

962
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: thing to Peter. Personally, for me, I think there are

963
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: two different situations. What do you think? Okay, remind me

964
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: Maddie left Peter. Maddie Basley did the I could be

965
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: wrong here, Like, if anyone's listening, they're like, those aren't

966
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: the facts, Like this is just from my memory off

967
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: the top of my head, but I'm pretty certain Maddie

968
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: was the third Fantasy sweet date. It was like Victoria

969
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: Fuller and Hannah Anne went first, and she sat down

970
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,479
Speaker 1: and basically said almost the same thing Susie did, where

971
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: if you slept with the other women, I'm going to

972
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: be very uncomfortable and I'm gonna have a huge issue

973
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: with it. Ultimatum. Yes, but she stuck around and she

974
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 1: I think had told him like she was very open

975
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: about her opinions on sex and relationship and how her

976
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: faith played a role in that, which again like, why

977
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: are you waiting till this week to have that conversation.

978
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw Teddy tell Clayton earlier on weeks

979
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: ago that she was still a virgin. It's like, why

980
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: can't these conversations be taking place? You know, I'm to

981
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't see that much difference between Susie

982
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: and and Maddie at all. I think it's basically the

983
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: same thing. And I remember when we had when I

984
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: was still doing the podcast with Rachel. She had many

985
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: opinions on that ultimatum of you know, if you've done

986
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: this or if you choose to do this, I'm leaving.

987
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: It's like, but you know what this show is like.

988
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: If you're a fan of the show, which we know

989
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: Susie has been watching for a while, you know how

990
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: things work. You know that once you get to the

991
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: last third week, you have three women left, you have

992
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: three fantasy suites. It's like you can prepare yourself to

993
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: know how you're gonna, you know, try to enter into

994
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: each week, and so that's what's bizarre to me, is

995
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 1: like that these keep happening this late in the game. Yeah,

996
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: I think the only slight difference with Maddie might have

997
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: been that she was pretty open about her faith and

998
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: how that played a role in her life throughout the show,

999
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: whereas for Susie, this just seemed to come really out

1000
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: of nowhere. And maybe they had this conversation and it

1001
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: wasn't shown. But I mean, Clayton even quoted Susie to

1002
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: her facing you told me to explore these other relationships.

1003
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: You told me that you wanted me to choose you

1004
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: at the end after exploring all these relationships to the fullest.

1005
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: So she's now kind of going back on her word.

1006
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: It sounds like, Yeah, I think it's just there's so

1007
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: much disconnect. But I think also to what Susie was

1008
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: hoping for was that like Clayton could kind of just

1009
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: read her mind and know that if he felt so

1010
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: strongly for her, he would back off on the other

1011
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: two relationships, which, again to her point of exploring everything,

1012
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: would be doing a disservice to that. So really bad

1013
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: bad communication. I'm very interested to see where this is

1014
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: going to go next week, because the way it ended,

1015
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: Clayton flied outside my heart sound in it. I'm over

1016
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: this making it seem like this season is now a rap.

1017
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: But if you're a lead, you can't just quit a

1018
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: season you got. You gotta finish it out. Yeah, I mean,

1019
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I think in that moment, it's hard.

1020
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: He's feeling a form of heartbreak and probably just feels

1021
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: completely blindsided. But he is in love with Rachel and

1022
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: Gabby too apparently. So we still have two full episodes left,

1023
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: so there's still a lot to come. I mean, it's

1024
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: not over yet. Susie may be gone, but it is

1025
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: not over yet. It's gonna be that. I just keep

1026
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: thinking of, like when Jesse Palmer at the end of

1027
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: Women Till All said, you know I was there and

1028
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: I still don't know what happened. I'm like, this is

1029
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: going to be a crazy, crazy finale. I do want

1030
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: to ask you one thing though, in terms of Clayton

1031
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: and the final goodbye between him and Susie, I know

1032
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: that many people are going to have a lot of

1033
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: opinions on how he handled things, on how Susie handled things.

1034
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 1: I feel like it will be a house divided very

1035
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: very soon. In the way that Clayton handled that goodbye though,

1036
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: do you think he did well? Do you think his

1037
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: actions were justified? Like? How do you think he did

1038
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: in that moment? I thought he did well. I actually

1039
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: really thought he did well. I feel like Susie's last

1040
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: comment of I wish this could have been handled better

1041
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: with more kindness. I think she is was probably being

1042
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: a little idealistic going to that breakup, thinking that it

1043
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: was going to be smooth sailing and she was going

1044
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: to go home and they were going to hug and

1045
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: wish each other well. But I think I would have

1046
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: handled it somewhat similarly to Clayton. I think he was

1047
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: very direct. I don't think he was disrespectful, and I

1048
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,479
Speaker 1: think what Susie wished is it could have been nicer

1049
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: and calmer. But I think that's not fair because she's

1050
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: the one breaking up with Clayton, and he has the

1051
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: right to question her and be angry and be frustrated,

1052
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: just as any normal human being feels when they're being

1053
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: broken up with. What did you think? I mean? I

1054
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: definitely agree with that, but I also have to keep

1055
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: in mind. I've been on both sides, Like I've been

1056
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: in Clayton's position, where I've been broken up with and

1057
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: very very shocked and blindsided, where I didn't know how

1058
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: to react. And again, like I mean, we all saw

1059
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: the breakup between me and Ari, where I was just

1060
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: pissed and I was like, get the f out, get

1061
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: that out. So I understand Clayton's approach to that because

1062
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: I was in his position. I was the same way.

1063
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: And I also had been on the other side where

1064
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: I've been the one to break up and to end

1065
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: relationships with people, and you know, it's never like you

1066
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: never know how to prep for that, Like you never

1067
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: know how to like handle somebody because you don't know

1068
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: what they're going to be feeling. And like I have

1069
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: to then think about like when I broke up with

1070
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: Thomas in Paradise, which doesn't even seem like a thing

1071
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: anymore because him and I heard great now, Like he

1072
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: also was very upset and walked away, and I was

1073
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: stuck in this position of like, Okay, do I go

1074
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: after him and like try to explain myself more, or

1075
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: do I let him go and you know, be free

1076
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: in move on, Like it's like this weird disconnect where

1077
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: like you're like, yeah, I was one doing this, but

1078
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: now I don't know what to do and I feel terrible,

1079
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't want to like invalidate anyone's feelings

1080
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: because what the other person is feeling is very valid,

1081
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: so kind of I think the biggest issue with it

1082
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: for me at least was and like, I actually did

1083
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: have sympathy for Susie in this situation if I could

1084
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: tell she had made up her mind but also wanted

1085
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: to talk more, and like, I think she was trying

1086
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: to get it to a place where they could end

1087
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: on a positive note, which, like I can absolutely understand

1088
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: wanting that, but I think Clayton was basically standing there

1089
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: like you've made up your mind. There's no like fighting

1090
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: for this or convincing you otherwise, So what is there

1091
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: more to say? Because you're not saying you're gonna like

1092
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: talk this through and like work this through with me.

1093
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: So he's probably thinking, like I already feel, I just

1094
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: sat here, told you I was in love with you,

1095
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 1: and then got oaken up with in return, Like he's

1096
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: probably hurting, And I think the best thing was for

1097
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: that convo to end, because I think it only could

1098
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: have gone downhill from there. Yeah, and there's only so

1099
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: much you can say, especially in that situation where she

1100
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: already did pretty much make up her mind, and he

1101
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: knew that you're not gonna want to stand outside in

1102
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: the freezing cold in Iceland and keep saying the same

1103
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: thing over and over. There's a point where you won't

1104
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: get anywhere. It's not a good look for anyone, and

1105
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: sometimes you just have to let bygones bygones and go.

1106
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: And so I think that's where he was at. And

1107
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: he also probably knew after this, like, oh shit, I

1108
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: have a long night ahead of me of interviews and

1109
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: going through all of the emotions of a heartbreak and whatnot.

1110
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see where this goes next week.

1111
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: I truly feel for Clayton in this moment. I know

1112
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,959
Speaker 1: he's going to probably get a lot of backlash again,

1113
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: probably much more hate, But in this situation, I feel

1114
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: like he was very justified in feeling hurt and reacting

1115
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: in the way that he did. Yeah, I hope. I

1116
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: just hate that we watch this and have to think

1117
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: about the hate that they're going to get. Because as

1118
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: much as like I had a lot of criticism for

1119
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: Susie and today's episode, I still can have sympathy for

1120
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: the fact that, like she was struggling in vulnerable and

1121
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with some of her choices that

1122
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: she made, but like to think that she's potentially going

1123
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: to get so much hate and like angry, awful dms

1124
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: and like so will Clayton, and just like a moment

1125
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: of pain and emotion of vulnerability that it's going to

1126
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: get aired on TV. Just just ma see sad that

1127
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: like that's a part of their journey. Yeah, and I'm

1128
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: glad that you mentioned that too, because I mean for

1129
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: us as podcasters, we have to look at this objectively

1130
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: and just give our opinions. And that's what this is.

1131
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: We're not speaking poorly of anyone and not trying to

1132
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: judge how they handle the situation. It's just giving our

1133
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: thoughts and feedback of you know, if we were in

1134
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: that position, how would we react, what would we do?

1135
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: And so again, like this is I know for everyone watching, Yes,

1136
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: it's TV show, but like this is real life for

1137
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: these people. Like Clayton was hurting, Susie was hurting. It

1138
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: was a rough week for both of them, and no

1139
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: one is perfect no relationship is perfect, and so just

1140
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: go easy on everyone because ultimately, at the end of

1141
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: this everyone's just trying to find more of who they

1142
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: are and their person in life, and so just allow

1143
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: them to do that. It's it's like, you know, once

1144
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: the show is done, let it. Let it live there

1145
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: on the TV and not on your fingertips behind a

1146
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: phone screen. Yeah, if you want to talk shit about

1147
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: their breakup this week, call your mom, call your best friend,

1148
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: call your partner, and vent on the phone. Because imagine

1149
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: your breakup was filmed and aired on television. I'm sure

1150
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: people would have a lot to say about my behavior,

1151
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: about backs behavior, about well, I mean they did, they did,

1152
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: they did about your behavior. So yeah, yeah, it's it's

1153
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: a rough one. I mean, do you have any predictions

1154
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: for next week? Like, do you even have any idea

1155
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: of what to expect? Yeah, let's do fin now predictions.

1156
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a fun way to end this off.

1157
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: So Susie's gone. I don't know one hundred percent if

1158
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: that's the last of her we're going to see or not.

1159
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it felt like a very unfinished note to

1160
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: end on. But she also seemed very decided, so I think,

1161
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, that could be she's on her way home.

1162
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: We still have Gabby and Rachel. I think it's really

1163
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: going to come down to if Clayton says, screw it,

1164
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: it was Susie and I'm done with this whole thing,

1165
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: or if he's going to try to push through. I mean,

1166
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: we see Rachel and Gabby. They do seem really in

1167
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: love with him. I mean, he was screaming to them

1168
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: how much she loved them. So I would love to

1169
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: see him with someone at the end of this. I

1170
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: want him to find love, and if it's not with Susie,

1171
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: then maybe Rachel or Gabby is his person. What I'm

1172
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: going to say is he left us with I would

1173
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: say some faith, and he basically said, you know, I

1174
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: have to have faith at the end of the set,

1175
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: it's all going to work out and that everything happens

1176
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: for a reason. So because he said that, I have

1177
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: to think he still ends up with one of these women.

1178
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: I have to say, just based on what I'm seeing

1179
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: as a viewer, I would skew towards Rachel and then

1180
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: I would selfishly want to say I would love to

1181
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: see Gabby as boucherette. But who knows because I am

1182
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: always so damn wrong when it comes to this that.

1183
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought Rachel was like the front runner

1184
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: for a while now so same. I was surprised when

1185
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: it was like, Susie though, is my number one love?

1186
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, yeah, I know. After this episode,

1187
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he's I would say, since the very beginning,

1188
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: I thought Rachel and Susie were going to make it

1189
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: to the end. I kind of knew that I didn't

1190
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: know where they stacked with each other, But after hearing

1191
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: Cleant talk about Susie, I felt like this week he

1192
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: was basically throwing his hands up, being like, it's Susie.

1193
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 1: Susie was the one, Yeah, obviously she is no more.

1194
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I just I also really feel

1195
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: bad at this point for Rachel and Gabby or not.

1196
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say bad. I don't want

1197
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: to pity them, but I can feel for how they're

1198
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: probably going to feel next week when Clayton has this

1199
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: big reveal of hey, I was intimate with both of you.

1200
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: That's not going to be fun to hear. We've already

1201
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: seen it in the teaser for next week, so we

1202
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: know that that's going to happen. I will say now

1203
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: to that clip makes so much more sense now having

1204
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: watched this episode, like why because the whole season, like,

1205
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: why would Clayton do that? Why would he say that?

1206
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: I don't understand? So now the context kind of makes

1207
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Yeah, totally, because now he's like, well,

1208
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: if these other women are feeling like how Susie felt,

1209
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: they deserve to know before I get down on one knee.

1210
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting, I mean, and especially things change

1211
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: in that last week so drastically when you bring your

1212
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: own family into the mix and they see you interact

1213
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: with the last two people. So we have a lot

1214
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: still to come. I know we only have one week left,

1215
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: but it's going to be a lot. It's a two

1216
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: day finale, live finale. But yeah, there we are both

1217
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: days live. Hm. Whoa is that a first we've ever

1218
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: done that before on our season? We did it and

1219
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: it sucked. I bet, Oh my god, it was the worst.

1220
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: I was. I literally think I almost peeed my pants backstage.

1221
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: I was so scared. So I know exactly what that

1222
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 1: feels like. But you know, Serena, this is what we've

1223
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: all signed up for. Yeah, so this is we did it.

1224
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: Becca and they'd have to do it too. I know

1225
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: it's a rite of passage at this point. Yes, all right, well,

1226
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: thank you for joining me this week. I know we

1227
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: had so much to talk about. We could have kept

1228
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: on talking about everything and dissecting it, but we don't

1229
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: have all that time. So thank you Serena for joining me,

1230
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: and a huge thank you to our Bachelor Happy our

1231
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: listeners for being here. As a reminder, we are still

1232
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: casting for a bachelor and Bachelor at so make sure

1233
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: to head to bachelination dot com slash apply if you

1234
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: want to nominate either yourself or somebody great. Also, make

1235
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: sure to hit us up on social. You can follow

1236
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: us at at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram and from

1237
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,440
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1238
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: to follow us on Twitter and TikTok, and don't forget

1239
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,520
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1240
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,640
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1241
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,320
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1242
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or the Wonderree app. Thank you everyone for

1243
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: listening this week and we will see you next week

1244
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: for Clayton's finale episodes. I'll see you next week, so

1245
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna take care everyone. Bye back in, Bye everyone,