WEBVTT - Impending Doomsday: The Wakandans & Namor 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:07.760 Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for various MCU films that 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:14.160 feature the Black Panther, assorted Wakandan characters and nay More 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:34.400 and assorted Atlantean characters. Be warned. Hello, my name is Jason, 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.520 get up to you and I'm Rosey Night and welcome 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:39.559 back to Xtra Vision of the podcast where we dive 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.120 deep into your favorite shows, movies, and pop culture. Coming 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.320 to you from iHeart, where we're bringing you three episodes 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:44.720 a week. 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:46.760 Saturday plus News. 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.839 Today, it's impending Doomsday and we are checking in with 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.200 the Wakandan corner of the MCU to highlight Shuri and 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:58.800 Baku and Namo leading up to that clash with Doom 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.960 in the upcoming movie Avengers Doomsday. 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:10.800 But first, let's recap all of the storylines that intersect 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:15.920 with Wakanda, the Black Panther, and nay More. First of all, 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.679 we start with Captain America Civil War, the introduction, the 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:24.400 introduction of T'Challa. He is introduced at the Vienna un 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:31.759 signing of the now defunct Sokoa Accords. God alongside is 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.640 his is soon to be late father. In the film's 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:39.320 King Tachaka, a bomb kills ta chaka Bucky Barms is 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.200 framed for the crime. T'Challa don's a Black Panther suit, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:49.120 goes after Bucky. He'd we see him in action at 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.800 the big fight at the airport in Germany. And then 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.920 later on T'Challa apprehends Zemo rather than kill him and 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.480 grants Bucky asylum and Wakanda, so they made they make 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:01.200 up as bros. 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:03.600 They make up as bros, and then you know, you 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.440 get the White Wolf of Wakanda. Yeah, very silly. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.480 Then we go to Black Panther twenty eighteen. Oh, a 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.120 classic Ryan Cooplan. We love him. Here's a take. Is 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:22.120 this the best movie original movie song soundtrack? Oh? 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.400 In the Lamb see you definitely. 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:27.720 But like in the last I don't know how long 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:29.080 mm hm. 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:34.920 Honestly, ironically, like the they also came through with that 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.520 Shang Chi soundtrack that was really good. It's like, I 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.240 think you've got to have a director who has a 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.720 vision who also is like, has an interest in great music, 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.440 because I would say that Destin and Ryan probably both 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.000 have that in common and drove a lot of that vision. 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:55.920 In Black Panther, T'Challa is challenged for the kingship of 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:04.680 Wakanda by Eric Kilmonger. He is thrown off the falls 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:12.000 in ritual combat. Kill Monger takes over and t'chala Is 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:18.240 is saved by the combined efforts of his allies, including 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:19.639 Baku and Shuri. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.640 Oh yeah, and good old Nokia we love. 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:28.440 Huh, good old Nokia, Good olda Koye. Avengers Infinity War 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.920 the final battle between Well, the second to the penultimate 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:38.400 final battle between Well. I guess really like they fight 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.880 a different Thanos, right, So it's like it's actually very 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.480 complex when you think about it. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:43.920 Than you. 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.480 You still have questions to answer two different battles is 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.760 because this that was actually has his head chopped off. 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.080 Yeah, so it is kind of the final battle against 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:56.720 that Fanos because then they fight. 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.000 A number one. 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:03.920 They've like that they've not be no Saturdays, right, So 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:10.240 Santos is assembling the Infinity Stones and the Avengers take 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.360 Vision to Wakanda because that's the only place where there's 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:18.760 like technology exists to separate Vision from the Infinity Stone in. 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.240 His head without killing him, hopefully. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.320 Without killing him, and we get this really absolutely incredible 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.560 one of the best action scenes of the MCU. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.240 With some of the funniest dialogue too. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.400 That really like I love the moment where we have 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.240 Mbaku and Akoa and they I think it's them when 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.039 they see Scarlet Witch. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.320 And they're like, why didn't they send her first? Like 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.080 why the fuck didn't they send the Witch? 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:50.320 Like she is no strangers fucking decimating, it's aliens, Like 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.520 it's you know what, it's up there with the first 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.240 Avengers for just how right they get the characters coming 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.839 into contact with each other for the first time, these 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.920 two sides of the MCU. We really get that kind 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:07.840 of you know, Joss Whedon era, funny classic Avengers kind 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.040 of what people know it for with this little bit 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.599 kind of the most successful outgrowth of that, which is 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.400 Black Panther and the Condons and the wider World. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.920 It's, oh, that's such a good movie. 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:24.760 So T'Challa kind of leads the forces, even including the Avengers. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.039 It's his kingdom after all, so they kind of fight 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:31.400 under his banner, and he's of course fighting alongside his 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.200 main allys Baku, various members of the Dormalage A. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.400 Daniel Kalua, I mean, did he come back? 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:46.920 I don't know sure at the time, is running point 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:54.120 on the Infinity Stone removal process from the vision and 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:59.279 in the end they do win slash Loo. They basically 0:05:59.279 --> 0:05:59.800 are winning. 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:05.360 It's like they win to lose that way around. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:11.279 Thanos assembles the infinished the Infinity Gauntlet and snaps and 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:12.880 we lose to Challa. 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:13.960 We lose. 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:21.520 Shuri survives, survives, dude, when he's when when T'Challa starts 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.479 like falling as his knees give. 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.760 Out, and the and he's got Oh, it's so sad. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:27.279 I love it. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:28.000 We love it. 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.440 Bye Sury as well. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:35.880 By Avengers Endgame, it's been five years surviving Avengers, including 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.560 Steve or just like trying to figure out life, but 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.760 the Avengers eventually put together a plan to time heist 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:48.560 the Infinity Stones, thus alerting a younger version of Thanos 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.880 that the Infinity Stones have been assembled. 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:51.600 And he does twelve. 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.760 He doesn't have to go go through all the hullabaloo 0:06:56.200 --> 0:07:00.280 of assembling them because they've already been assembled that's on 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.160 Earth by the Avengers. So he goes and fights them. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:11.560 But because Bruce Banner, the Incredible Hulks, has unblipped the snap, 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.679 all the heroes are back, including T'chaalah, Shuri and Baku 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.960 and Akoye, and they all fight in the in the 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.640 Battle of Earth against the younger Thanos. Final battle against Thanos, 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.280 but the different one we got Black Panther Orkanda Forever 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:32.560 set one year after Endgame, t'chala has died off screen. 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.800 It's a very we talked about it at the time. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:43.320 Chadwick Boseman had passed away in the Intervening Years in 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:47.680 a shock in a surprising announcement. It was just a 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:53.160 unbelievable shock to discover that he had passed, And I 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.800 thought that this movie handled it about as well as 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.280 you can handle something like. 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.920 That, especially because we have seen since. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.640 Even if they didn't know it at the time, though, 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.120 I think Figi had it inkling. 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:06.480 It was very clear that. 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.160 Chadwick was at the heart of whatever was going to 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.920 be next for the MCU. Like Black Panther had been 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:17.720 the most successful movie, T'Challa was such an iconic cultural figure. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.200 You could imagine him leading the Avengers. He got to 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.880 do it a little bit there in Infinity War. It 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.920 leaves a hole that is not just you know, a 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.720 cultural hole in a narrative hole. It's a literal hole 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.720 in the lives of everyone who knew him, and also 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.840 like the fandom. I mean, this is yeah, it's it's 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.160 unbelievable to think that he knew the entire time and 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.880 did this and created this legacy is so incredible. 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.200 But yeah, I agree, Jason. 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.480 I think it's like a really hard movie to look 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.720 at critically, because very hard, but also as well, like 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.120 it opens with this gorgeous funeral scene, there is a 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.400 cathartic nature to being able to celebrate and talk about 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.600 the fact that he's dead, you know, like putting that 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.000 into the text is actually brave and it's in its 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.840 own way. But yeah, heartbreaking film and obviously huge for 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:05.760 the nay more of it all. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:12.760 Yes, surey And is haunted by guilt because of her 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:17.240 inability to synthesize the heart shaped herb, which had been 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:23.520 previously destroyed, but she does eventually create recreate it. She 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.960 wanted to recreate it to save T'Challa, she wasn't able to. 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.440 She does recreate it, she takes herself, enters the ancestral plane, 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:38.400 meets Killmonger, interestingly, who talks very plainly about his trauma, 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:45.240 how Wakanda failed him, about why he desired vengeance. 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.240 And it's a. 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:52.040 Cathartic and kind of like quietly one of the better 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.480 scenes like throughout the whole MCU where they give the 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:59.600 villain like time and space to talk about like how 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:04.640 they had been wronged and it sure he becomes a 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:10.160 Black Panther. At the end of the movie, we discover 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:14.400 that T'Challa has a son named Toussaint who we will 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.640 talk more about the casting of that character later. And 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:22.160 of course this movie is the first appearance of Naymor 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:29.160 played by Tenna Shuerta, who is a mutant originally born 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:34.440 in the fifteen seventies during the Spanish colonization of the area. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:41.280 He develops his underwater powers, is worshiped as a god 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:46.479 and assembles and it's all vibranium based powers and assembles 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:50.600 a kingdom under the sea. He comes into cut direct 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:56.920 conflict with Wakanda due to Wakanda's feeling that they have 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.560 the they should have the monopoly on vibranium. And we 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.040 can talk about whether that's legit or not, but that's 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:07.160 how they feel about it. That is where we are left. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.080 Yes, those are. 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:15.120 Those are our big our big pointers and history for 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:20.760 the Black Panther and kind of name more expansion that 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:21.959 we have. 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:22.800 Seen in the MCU. 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.240 Let's take a quick break and then we'll come back 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:34.480 and have a little debate about what it all means. 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:46.480 And we're back. Welcome super producer Ian to the program. 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.360 What a well. 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:54.840 First topic. sureI is she going to be the Black 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.880 Panther long term? 0:11:57.960 --> 0:11:58.280 Yes? 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:05.640 And shoot? And if she isn't, who's next? It certainly 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.360 does seem like T'Challa's son Tusson is going to play 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:13.199 a bigger role going forward. Yes, not confirmed, and we 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.360 could talk about how we surmise that, But like, what 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.360 do we think about Shurry as the Black Panther long term? Ian? 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.920 I like, I like her in the role, and I 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.160 think because she plays it so differently than Chadwick Boseman 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.760 did obviously in her character and her and you know, 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.640 Shurry's journey was centered around grief and that almost a 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.959 combing to vengeance and and really letting the pain in. 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.160 But then at the end she chooses mercy. So I 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.120 think that arc and that that growth that she's experienced, 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.160 you know, is primarily in Wakanda Forever. I think that's 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.880 an interesting story in a journey, and I think she 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.280 stepped into that role nicely, But I will say I 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.599 do feel like they've kind of been like teasing or 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.800 hinting around the edges of maybe Inbaku could become the 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:57.320 black Pants. 0:12:58.000 --> 0:12:59.959 Yeah, they have been playing on that for a while 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:00.559 for sure. 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.679 Yeah, so I wouldn't be surprised if that happens, or 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:05.800 if we get some kind of suit up at some point. 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.280 But I think surey in the role is working for me. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.680 But I could see them pivoting to Imbaku or maybe 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:13.760 a Tussin if they want to age him up for 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:15.959 the future, if Letitia Wright doesn't want to keep doing 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:16.920 this role anymore, you. 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:21.320 Know, I think realistically, I think I think that we're 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.880 going to get all of the above honestly, Like we 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.480 already have Shuria's black panther. I think she will continue 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.480 in that role. It's a comics cannon. It was something 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.520 everyone was really excited for. I think Leticia did kill it. 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:34.640 Like I think that. 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.120 I think her and Nimore have. 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:43.760 Like incredible, incredible, like kind of feisty ally frenemie chemistry. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:44.520 That was built up in that movie. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.160 Even though, like narratively, there was some choices I would 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.719 like to go differently, I think right now, having them 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.240 next to each other is great, but also Winston Duke 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.199 is like a shining star in the sky and everybody 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:56.880 wants to see him. 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:57.920 Bark, who is Black Panther? 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.600 I think, because sure he was able to synthesize the 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.680 purple up, we will actually get multiple people in the suits. 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.360 They already played into that with the idea of having 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.920 the kind of suits for the Dora milage in the 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.040 previous in Wakinda Forever. So I think that there's a 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.480 version where we yeah, exactly, so, I think there's an 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:22.040 version where we get an embarku iteration of Black Panther, 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.640 or we get a Tucson. I think is very likely 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.920 because we know that Doom is going after the children 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.720 of superheroes for some reason, some kind of firstborn son situation, 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.520 it seems like. So I think it's very likely we 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:39.000 could see a new Avengers or like that kind of 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.280 vibe of oh, the kids are getting put into the 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.560 parents shoes. So in that case, but I think it's 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.600 less likely there's going to be one. I think it's 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.880 more likely that we're going to see multiple people thanks 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:50.320 to the synthesized purple up. 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.440 Interesting, I go the other way. First of all, I 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.520 think sure he would be a very interesting I think 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.280 there's a lot of meat on the bone there about 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:04.440 her feelings about to childa being taken so quickly, her 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.440 inability to save him. The you know, like I would 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.800 love to see how meeting Killmonger on the ancestral plane, 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:16.600 how that influences how she takes on the role. I 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:21.000 do think that we will see multiple vibranium suits, but 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:22.960 I think only one person will take the herb. I 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.560 think that that's too I think it's too destabilizing to 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.840 what kind of society, society and culture for there to 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:34.600 be multiple I think you could play, Yeah, you can 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.280 play it is destable. That's actually pretty interesting, right if 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.520 the world's ending, Okay, we need multiple black panthers. 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.040 But then you end up in a situation with the royalty. 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.160 Yeah, you end up in a situation where now it's like, 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.440 well should not Well I took it? Why to like it? 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.200 That's interesting? Right? And so I think that if you 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.520 if they all of us, is to say, if multiple 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.840 people take the heart shaped herb, they need to play 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.960 into the effect of that on what Condon's society. Yes, yes, 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:06.520 I like that, like how that could destabilize the nation 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.160 because it's like it's never been done before, you know, 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.680 and this is the this is you're talking about centuries 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.200 and centuries of history of doing it this particular way. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.400 I think it would be really dramatic for more than 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.240 one person to take it. 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:22.680 Yeah, they'd have to make it. 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:24.760 They'd have to make it like a choice that has 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.560 implications rather than just like a communion wafer of superhero 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.840 powers that they can give to people. Jason, what about 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.440 like the the Dampson iddress of it all? Do you 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.440 think they would really cost him as a new T'Challa. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.480 I don't think that's gonna happen, But do you or 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:40.960 do you think he would be an aged up to 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:41.560 so on? Like? 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.160 What do you think do you think they would really replace? 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:50.960 I think that is my money as well. So apparently 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.920 so Damson appeared on the Today Show and was asked 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:59.960 if he's being cast in the New Black Panther movies, 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:06.840 and he foolishly or wisely, I'm not even sure, answered yes. No. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.840 He was like he's like he should have said I 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.800 can either confirm or deny, Like, I appreciate the question, 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.040 but I can't talk about any casting of anything that 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:19.720 I might. 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.399 Be yeah, yeah, yeah, or anywhere. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:26.359 We haven't signed any said he said yes no, yeah yeah. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:32.639 Instead he says yes no. And later in time he 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.520 was asked about it again and says, I don't know 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:35.560 anything about it. 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.040 So he's giving. It's giving, you don't, you'll tell me. 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.360 It's very clear to me that he's involved. 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.000 I mean, it's very clear to me that he's he's involved, right, 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:50.479 and what is he? Thirty something, thirty two or something, 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:55.040 and so I really it leads me to believe in 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:56.360 age up too soon, Like. 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.960 Right, yeah, I think that's how you do it in comics. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.600 Why wouldn't you do it that way in the movies? 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:07.359 Also, Tucson he we're going through doom. There's reasons it 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:12.719 could be aged. There's timeline changes, there's all kinds of stuff. 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.880 Now this is It would be interesting as well if 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.800 Tucson aspires to being the Black Panther, but somebody is 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.520 already the Black Panther and he's like, well, that's my dad, 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.919 I'm the son of king. Like there's a lot of 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:29.080 interesting storylines there too. Does somebody give way? Does he 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.560 have to fight in Baku or Sui or somebody? You know, 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.679 all this stuff that's so interesting to me. But I 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.040 do think that he is Tucson. Does anybody disagree with 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:40.600 that or think he could be anybody else? 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:42.080 I think he's got to be. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:42.520 I don't know. 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.439 I think it makes sense for him to be an 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.119 aged Yeah, I don't see how else you could really 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:47.520 play it. 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.480 Even though Dampson is that four, you could easily have 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.399 him playing his early twenty four, right, you could. 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.359 You could have him playing early twenties if you needed 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:57.719 him too. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.600 He's not like they have to age him up to 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.440 being real age, you know, Like that's the nature of Hollywood. 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.240 So I think it's like we could definitely be in 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.320 a space and then imagine getting to see like Lapetera 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:13.439 fighting alongside her son, Like I would love to see that, 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:15.920 like the two of them fighting together. That would be 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.520 really incredible. I mean, that's another person I do want 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.560 to say, Like we haven't even talked about that, But 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.120 Nakia as the black panther she from the first movie, 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:30.040 seems like she was a great choice. She understood what 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.840 Wakanda needed to do way before T'Challa did. I don't 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:34.639 think we're gonna see it, but I would love to 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.840 see her fighting alongside her son. She's too outside, she's 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.200 too much in the real and they need spies. 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:46.359 That said, all of these choices bring with them really 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:50.760 interesting wrinkles to what it might mean, especially considering how 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.639 I mean listen, T'Challa seemed like rock solid in the 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.320 role until he was Wasn't you know what I mean? 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:04.480 So exactly, They're the kind of introduction of like potential rivals, 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.200 instability at the top, all very interesting for the Condon question. 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.440 Let's go to uh, let's go to Naymore in the Atlantic. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.680 We left, so we left Wakinda Forever with a kind 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:24.800 of a brittle, yeah, brittle alliance between nay More and 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:32.880 the Wakandans. There are a lot of damage had been done, understandable, understandable, 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:39.800 but like, but has either side forgotten? That is, are 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:43.040 there extremists on both sides who are like, what, we're 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.200 really not going to get our lick back? I wonder 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:49.520 how this is gonna go. Your thought, Rosie, what do 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:53.320 you think will this Will this alliance hold up through Doomsday? 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.400 I think it's gonna hold for the most part. 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.639 But I do think that doom is going to be 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:00.840 very appealing to the Lanteans. 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:03.280 As a kind of like outsider leader. 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:08.800 He can use magic, he has experience of leading uprisings 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.760 revolutions depending on where we meet him in his timeline. 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:17.200 I also want to say that both sides made mistakes. Obviously, 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:21.240 I know the wakandas both sides mistake crazy on both sides, 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.320 but like I don't want to say, I think Wakanda 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:27.960 is actually the less trustworthy partner in this because like, 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:34.520 really there were Kandans. Despite the fight and the conversations 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:38.080 around the first Black Panther about how to safely be 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.000 a part of the widest society, they immediately surely just 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.560 align usself with the CIA. She was like, okay, America 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.760 is right, like Mike is right, like this is these 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.280 are bad. So I think that actually the most interesting 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:53.080 thing is going to be as this new world order 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:57.840 of like Battleworld or Doom, whatever we see happen under 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:01.400 this version of Doom and the Avengers. I'm really interested 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:03.679 to see what pressure points it puts on Wakanda, and 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:07.119 I actually think we could see Wakanda and the Talakhan 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:11.439 actually like align much closer. I think if anyone is 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:15.479 gonna be the outlier from Talakhan who may end up 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.400 aligning with someone else. I'd like to see a little 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:21.840 Atlana Doom situation like no more sister, you know, like 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:24.960 she had like a spicy energy to. 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:27.000 Her, like I didn't see her and I see angry. 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:32.480 She was, like not feeling the human kind of reconciliation 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:34.760 that they were trying to do. I think they could 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:37.199 be really interesting to see her and Doom together, and 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.439 I think that could potentially be a core conflict going 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:42.800 into that. Ian, what about you, what do you think 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:44.719 about that relationship going forward. 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.600 I think he's definitely gonna betray the Mokandas at some point, 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:52.879 just based on the comics history a and then be 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:54.960 based on just the fragile alliance. 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:55.399 You know. 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:57.600 Even at the end of the movie when his sister's 0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.280 asking like are you like why are you doing this? 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:01.000 Are you sure you want to do this? And he's like, 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:03.440 this serves our bigger purpose, like this is going to 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:05.320 help us in the long run. So I feel like 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:07.159 he just sees it more as like a means to 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:10.760 an end and it's just serving him now because he can, 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:14.720 you know, take advantage of their combined strength against you know, 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.639 the other people who want to use vibranium for other means. 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:19.879 So I think Doom is going to maybe make him 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:22.560 an offer or he's going to see an opening, and 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:24.400 I think he's gonna take it. And I think he's 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:28.240 definitely gonna portray the wakandas do. 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.479 You guys think he's gonna that doom suit is going 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.080 to be made of vibranium, because. 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:34.280 That's gonna be made of some magic. 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:37.959