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Speaker 1: the award winning podcast Radio Lab, here to say that

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Speaker 1: next week. I repeat next week at the Allision Theater.

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Speaker 1: The March fifth show is going to feature Rachel Pegram

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Speaker 2: Okay, podcast starts now. Wow.

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Speaker 1: You know, we were just talking about the whole thing

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Speaker 1: of Jeremy Strong at some point in the last two

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Speaker 1: years saying the word dramaturgically and then everyone suddenly being like,

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Speaker 1: the hell is this f sler on about?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've tore into shreds for something.

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Speaker 3: He's an actor.

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Speaker 1: That's like if you went to a business meeting and

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Speaker 1: someone was like, does anyone have the you know, metrics?

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Speaker 1: And you were like, the hell is wrong with you

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Speaker 1: and then you started chasing him with spears.

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Speaker 2: Well, we value anti intellectualism in this country, so in

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Speaker 2: a way that is disgusting.

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Speaker 1: It's also like, what, what do you think makes him

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Speaker 1: such a good actor. It's the fact that he's insane

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Speaker 2: Well, people were like, no, he's a good actor because

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, you're thinking of Priyanka Chopra.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not everyone's Pianka Chopra. Do you yes? Do you

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Speaker 2: think acting is an art?

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Speaker 3: Go? I do?

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Speaker 1: And in fact, the older I get, the more I

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Speaker 1: and everyone is performing. I am sort of like actors

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Speaker 2: So you're saying that even when someone is another kind

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Speaker 1: Actors are what Internet users are based on.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: It's like when you're writing an email, it's in a

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Speaker 1: long tradition that goes back to you know the Rosetta

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Speaker 1: not write an email that said, can I have this?

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Speaker 1: And in this similar way, acting, you know, the Stella

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Speaker 1: for people to now be like unboxing my fit fat

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Speaker 2: How would they know No, they wouldn't know how to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think like in each era, almost there's

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Speaker 3: So here's a question for you. Do you have value

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Speaker 1: because when you post a photo of a croissant that

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Speaker 2: Right, you're in a language, you're having a conversation with

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Speaker 1: Do you think photography and acting which one is straighter

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Speaker 1: To take a photo this party and it's gonna have

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Speaker 2: I'm invisible and yet and yet.

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Speaker 3: I am the eye. And then acting is so action

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Speaker 2: But I feel like that's exactly why it's gay, because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't look at me, don't look at me, but

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Speaker 1: Right, whereas actors have no subjectivity and need lines in

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Speaker 2: Say and to be worshiped in a door.

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Speaker 3: Worshiped on the door Polly bisexual of course. All right,

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Speaker 3: I think I'm I think you're winning me over.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's nice.

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Speaker 1: Should we bring in our guests trained actress and photographer?

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Speaker 2: I think that could be an amazing idea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, am I am I rushing?

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Speaker 2: No, No, I'm trying to think if there's anything else.

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Speaker 3: Oh, then we but we can keep going.

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Speaker 2: But I actually think to not bring her in now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I just feel like, you know, there are

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Speaker 2: I think that's such a beautiful idea.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, please welcome our friend Estrophallic. Hello, So right

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Speaker 1: off the bat, Estra, what is your take on everything

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Speaker 3: So glad you asked, because it's been really hard for me,

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Speaker 2: I could. I could sense that, Yeah, we're sort of

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about words that have been in my mind recently,

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Speaker 1: The way those two words are on my mind twenty

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying because I think what we're

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Speaker 3: upon you're turning yourself into the object. Yes, correct. In

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Speaker 3: photography no wait, sorry, you're sorry. You're the subject. You're

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Speaker 3: the subject, no way, no. In photography, photography you're looking

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Speaker 3: the object. Wait, but you're the subject in photography because

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Speaker 3: it's like, but the photographer is not the subject, subject

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Speaker 3: The photographer is like like, oh, shit, I guess I

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Speaker 2: When I've opened a.

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Speaker 3: Door, I guess I do know.

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Speaker 4: Which one to you is straighter and which one is gayer?

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Speaker 4: I mean object is gayer?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, because it like the way is an object,

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Speaker 3: Like you're like the forum being like acted upon. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: And so that's why photographer, I feel like it's a subject.

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Speaker 3: They're the subject because they're like they're like capturing the object.

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Speaker 1: So it's a misnomer to call the subject of the

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Speaker 3: I mean they're the object.

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Speaker 1: Without the photographer, they would just be like a literal

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Speaker 3: Which is why it's correct, frankly that we were saying

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Speaker 1: Right, because is to have agency that's sort of masculine.

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Speaker 3: No women have agency? Have not seen one succeed yet?

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Speaker 3: I want to see.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that would be so amazing, and then we could

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Speaker 3: It could be like best best butch best yeah, best mask.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have like best high fem performance of the.

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Speaker 1: I would love that actually, to not not necessarily get

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Speaker 3: Genitals get him out of there, genitals get him out

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Speaker 1: And it's just like, are you butch? Are you fem

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say twink.

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Speaker 1: about like a hairy man. Like Judy Dench can give

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Speaker 2: Of course, she's a good act actress.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think Judy Dench could give a bear performance.

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Speaker 1: the whale twink performance.

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Speaker 3: on the scale. That's not what it's about the performance,

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Speaker 3: twin performances.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I think Darren Aronofsky frankly was filming it

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Speaker 3: like a bear performance, and that is why he That

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Speaker 2: The sact moment exactly.

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Speaker 3: But but Brendan Fraser, I mean he understood the twink. He

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Speaker 1: Like is Killian Murphy's Oppenheimer performance? I would say soft Butch.

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Speaker 3: To me, I think you're well, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's maybe not it doesn't make good podcast materials.

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Speaker 1: Reading one hundred person, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the little hat, the little hat, yeah, little hat.

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Speaker 3: So you know that that's certainly something for your listeners

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Speaker 1: Huge win for a presentation. An if an a fab

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Speaker 2: My god, I mean that would be so groundbreaking, which

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Speaker 3: We loved Appenheimer. We really loved Oppenheimer.

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Speaker 2: It's complicated because he's he succeeds, but at what cost?

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Speaker 1: Well, I know, is it problematic to say that like

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Speaker 2: You know, I think we should have a world where

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Speaker 3: Bad exactly if you can't put them on a pedestal

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah period.

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Speaker 1: Well okay, so Esther has not seen Madam Webb yet, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen the whale, but that doesn't mean I

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Speaker 1: Well, of course, yeah, but unlike the whale, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it is a it's specifically thirty something gay

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Speaker 1: It's the drag race contestant that thinks they're above it.

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Speaker 3: Well so that was actually my first thing. That's actually

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Speaker 3: There has never been a more sis woman.

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Speaker 2: Kind and isn't the sort of tea Okay.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Well, so isn't that a queer narrative, Like

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Speaker 3: She was like she was like like all her like Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: I think so little ace, isn't it. Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I actually think Adam Scott, why I'm on record, is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they start they started revenue. I was scared. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Wow, wow, this has been I've learned so much.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the other thing I wanted to talk about, which

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you get a little gray, Darling is gonna be.

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Speaker 2: Yea. It takes time to stripes. Yeah, yeah, I do

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Speaker 3: I think if the impulse is there, it's because it's there,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing, just kidding, feel this is your invisible

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Speaker 2: Of us.

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Speaker 2: What are some words that I say? Well, I have

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Speaker 1: I do think Queen is just grandfather, and we say

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Speaker 3: It's hey Queen. Yeah, that's a classic. I think Queen

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Speaker 1: I actually had a moment what are some words I say?

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Speaker 1: you being like, yeah.

447
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Speaker 3: I'm affirming you, I'm affirming you.

448
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.

449
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Speaker 3: And I really I had to sit with that.

450
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Speaker 1: I almost text suggests but that I was like, that's

451
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Speaker 1: not gonna I was like, I was like, wait, I

452
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Speaker 1: have to start this conversation. I was being very like

453
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Speaker 1: straight woman who learns about the issues for.

454
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Speaker 3: The first time.

455
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, wow, you really never stop learning.

456
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Speaker 3: You never stop learning. I can actually speak to this.

457
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Speaker 3: I had a good friend of mine who she's a

458
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Speaker 3: CIS woman, and I'm not gonna say who she is,

459
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Speaker 3: but she's been on Broadway. Yeah it's pat Yeah, it's

460
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Speaker 3: Who's what's her? Oh my god?

461
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Speaker 1: Why am I blinking? Who's now?

462
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Speaker 2: In?

463
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Speaker 3: Sweeney Sutton and Foster? Sutton Foster. I would love it

464
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Speaker 3: if it came out that Sutton Foster was a huge term.

465
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Speaker 3: Oh honestly, I wouldn't.

466
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Speaker 2: Okay, I want, I want.

467
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Speaker 3: But I'm just like I know it. So you know

468
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Speaker 3: a Broadway actress. So I know a Broadway actor. Congrats

469
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Speaker 3: and okay, so I have this.

470
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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: She she at one point, like early issue in my transition,

472
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Speaker 3: maybe like six months, she was someone who was always

473
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Speaker 3: like very supportive and you know, like actually not like

474
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Speaker 3: people who were like, you know there on the day

475
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Speaker 3: I came out and being like so proud of my friend.

476
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Speaker 2: Ye yeah right, yeah yeah yeah.

477
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Speaker 3: But at one point on the phone she like called

478
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Speaker 3: me dude, and she was like, oh shit, I'm so sorry.

479
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Speaker 2: But I didn't feel it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't take it as a microaggression or anything like that,

481
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Speaker 3: because like I had been friends with her long enough

482
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Speaker 3: I had seen that she doesn't. She had never called

483
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Speaker 3: me dude until I came out as a woman. Wow.

484
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Speaker 3: She calls all of her friends dude.

485
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Speaker 2: She doesn't call men dude.

486
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Speaker 3: No, this is yeah. So like I and I, there

487
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Speaker 3: is a bit of a to bring it back to

488
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Speaker 3: spider Man like sixth sense, like a spidery sense, like

489
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Speaker 3: you know, I can't speak for everyone. I know when

490
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Speaker 3: the dude is yeah, off, my god, like I mean

491
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Speaker 3: I can I know when someone gendering me correctly is

492
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Speaker 3: like aggressive.

493
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Speaker 2: Is doing it?

494
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Speaker 6: Yeah, just like I mean sometimes like my pronouns are

495
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Speaker 6: She and I do know, like like there's like some

496
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Speaker 6: days that feel aggressive.

497
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I mean, so probably your

498
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Speaker 3: queen not to I should hope. So I think probably.

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Speaker 1: Will not read his offense. No, what, yes, I don't.

500
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Speaker 1: Well that's the thing, of course, is like no one

501
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Speaker 1: is going to be like, wait, queen, so you think

502
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Speaker 1: I'm a woman? Right, No one is gonna say that,

503
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Speaker 1: but but you know sometimes someone might.

504
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Speaker 3: Someone might. That's true, someone might. Yeah, it's a good point.

505
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Speaker 2: You never know that, honey.

506
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Speaker 3: I'll go to a college campus.

507
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Speaker 2: Can't say, oh my god, so sensible queen say that

508
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Speaker 2: that part that we.

509
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Speaker 1: Have been really well, that part I can't pull off.

510
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Speaker 2: But say that, no, boots, Boots is complicated, Boots is complicated.

511
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Speaker 3: Boots are complicated. Boots are complicated.

512
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Speaker 2: I was I'm feeling so insane. So, oh my god,

513
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Speaker 2: I'm like, there hasn't been a good song about boots

514
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: in a while. That's actually, this is something I've been

515
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: feeling in my heart. That's not insane. Okay, these bats

516
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 2: are made for and remember you two's put on your boot,

517
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Speaker 2: on your sexy boots.

518
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Speaker 3: I mean this is a bad one, but I mean

519
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Speaker 3: resting piss Maybe we'll put a boot in your ask.

520
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Speaker 2: It's an American way.

521
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: So boots have become conservative. Well, I guess we need

522
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Speaker 3: a boots song. We need a feminist, feminist boots song.

523
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Speaker 2: You know, Chapelone should do it. When she does a

524
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Speaker 2: Boots song, it'll be great. Yeah.

525
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Speaker 3: I think that's really insightful. Yeah, I think that's really insight.

526
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Speaker 1: I could even see an fyl cane.

527
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Speaker 3: So I'm actually a little scared that, like, well, I

528
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Speaker 3: think we might be past the point of boots song

529
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Speaker 3: because like it reads a little consumerist. Frankly, it's like,

530
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Speaker 3: why Are we going to be empowered by this by footwear? Right?

531
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

532
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Speaker 3: Empowered by footwear in this economy? I don't think so

533
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Speaker 3: unless it's like, you know, the boots are a simple

534
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Speaker 3: the boots are they're your armor?

535
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Speaker 1: Or what if it's post ironic and the album is

536
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: literally called Empowered by Footwear and it's about how we

537
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: can never be fulfilled?

538
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow, it's a commentary.

539
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: That actually, Okay, who would release Empowered by Footwear? Because

540
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: I actually don't think that's chaperone anymore.

541
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Speaker 3: That's I mean, I can imagine like Katy Perry trying.

542
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like girl, Yeah, that's very change the rhythm.

543
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: It's very change to the rhythm. Yeah, okay, it's Katy Perry.

544
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Speaker 1: Well she needs to she's we've been you know, I

545
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Speaker 1: mean for a comeback.

546
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Speaker 2: She could do that or a normal boot song, or

547
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Speaker 2: she could have a boot song and it would be fun.

548
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, a Boots concept album where each song is a

549
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: different take on boots and what they could.

550
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: Be kind of like those old those those Christmas albums

551
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Speaker 3: with the Keith Harry Yeah yeah like that.

552
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Speaker 2: Wow.

553
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's literally no good art anymore. Sperious that part,

554
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Speaker 1: it's actually called Ray.

555
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 3: It's really crazy.

556
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: Wait, we need to do her first single because I'm

557
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Speaker 1: actually so eager to Okay.

558
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Speaker 2: I also have one more thing to answer your question

559
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Speaker 2: of what am I saying? Now I have one I'm

560
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Speaker 2: an answer also going Hog. I've combined going hog wild

561
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: and going ham into just saying going hog and I

562
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: actually love it.

563
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 3: You dropped my jaw with that one.

564
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: Damn. Wow, that's really cool. You always have to be inventing.

565
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Speaker 3: I do have one more and okay, I'm trying to

566
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Speaker 3: use well yes, oh yeah, we've been doing George.

567
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Speaker 2: You're really good at it. Thank you. Yeah, you do

568
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: it subtly, it tastefully.

569
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Speaker 3: I actually do feel like if I haven't vocally warmed up,

570
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Speaker 3: it might not because you kind of got to flip

571
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Speaker 3: a little bit. Yes, the musical training that was actually

572
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Speaker 3: a really good one. Yeah.

573
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of scary. Do you ever see someone

574
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Speaker 2: with training and you're like, oh, I shouldn't try. Yeah,

575
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Speaker 2: that's let's do a first segment.

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Speaker 1: Our first segment Esther is called straight Shooters, and in

577
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Speaker 1: this segment, we gauge your familiarity with in complicity and

578
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: straight culture by asking you a series of rapid fire

579
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Speaker 1: questions where you have to choose one thing or another thing,

580
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Speaker 1: and the one rule is you can't ask any follow

581
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Speaker 1: up questions about how the game works, and if you do,

582
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Speaker 1: we will get violent.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, a lot of threats today.

584
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well, okay, mis congeniality or miss kirstially, miss kirstially.

585
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Speaker 1: Bringing a gun to a knife fight, or having some

586
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Speaker 1: fun with the wife tonight.

587
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: Bringing a gun to a knife fight. Wow mm hmm, okay,

588
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: following up, circling back or looping you in.

589
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 3: Hoving up, circling back or looping you in circling back.

590
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Speaker 1: Walk the line by Johnny Cash, or you look fine

591
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Speaker 1: except for that rash.

592
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: You look fine except for that rash. Moisturizer or womanizer, womanizer,

593
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Speaker 2: woman NiFe as a womanizer.

594
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 3: Womanizer, womanizer, womanizer, womanizer, Beyonce going country, or my fiancee

595
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 3: is being cunty.

596
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: My fiance is being cunty. Okay, being deflowered or being empowered,

597
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: and yeah they're different.

598
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: Arguing that they're the same.

599
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: I am not.

600
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: Being deflower our father who art in heaven. Or my

601
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Speaker 1: mother is fifty seven, my mother is fifty seven.

602
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: Wow, that was performance. I thought that was a really

603
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: good performance.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, so we rank our guests from

605
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Speaker 1: zero to one thousand doves?

606
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I'm But here's what I'm dealing with.

607
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: What is it?

608
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Speaker 2: You know? I thought that was an incredible performance. I

609
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: want to say one thousand doves. Yeah, but I feel

610
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: like we've been so easy on our guests recently.

611
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: I know I've been thinking that too, Like it really is.

612
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Speaker 1: You know, there's an article today about Michico Kokotani, the

613
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Speaker 1: New York Times book critic, who used to know.

614
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: This or come up.

615
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: No, to be clear, I have not read this article,

616
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: but I did see the headline and the subhets.

617
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Speaker 3: I believe that the.

618
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Speaker 1: Argument is sort of like, she used to be such

619
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Speaker 1: a harsh critic and now she's gone soft. And I'm like,

620
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Speaker 1: are we kakutaniing?

621
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Speaker 2: We're kakutaniing. I mean, we're we used to be Pitchfork

622
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Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven, hour, Pitchfork in twenty twenty four.

623
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Speaker 1: We're literally Pitchfork in twenty twenty four giving Taylor Swift's

624
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: eight point two eight point two.

625
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it a thousand doves, A thousand doves, Okay,

626
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Speaker 2: thank you so much.

627
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Speaker 1: Caught us in our Kakutani present day.

628
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Speaker 2: But Chiko Kokutani, Yeah yeah, yeah, whoa, because we've been

629
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Speaker 2: cruel in the past.

630
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Speaker 1: The past we gave Chris Murphy like a three hundred. Well,

631
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Speaker 1: he needed to do better, he needed to do that.

632
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Speaker 2: Look, people think, oh, you know, we're friendly, we see

633
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Speaker 2: each other. Oh oh, they won't give us a tough score.

634
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah we will.

635
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Speaker 3: And I honestly I was ready for whatever you brought.

636
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: I was ready for whatever came. I was like, you

637
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Speaker 3: know what it's it's I'm going to survive.

638
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Speaker 1: If there's one thing, if there's a negative thing I

639
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Speaker 1: could point out in your performance, it's actually the lack

640
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Speaker 1: of You were so ready and so prepared that it

641
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Speaker 1: almost felt like there was a lack of stakes because

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Speaker 1: I was like, nothing I will say will make you

643
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Speaker 1: confused or make you sort of like, you know, like flounder.

644
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Speaker 2: Yeah wow, so you're saying there was no danger.

645
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Speaker 1: It was a little bit like, you know, this is

646
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Speaker 1: sort of how I felt about the movie Past Lives.

647
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: I felt like, yes, I understood what it was trying

648
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Speaker 1: to do, and I thought it was great, and I thought

649
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: Greteley was great. But it had a bit too tidy

650
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Speaker 1: of a bow on it, where I was like, I

651
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Speaker 1: know exactly what it's doing and where it's going. And

652
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Speaker 1: I think, potentially, you gave a Past Lives performance.

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Speaker 2: How does that make you feel? That makes me feel

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Speaker 2: I have something to work on. I have somebody to

655
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Speaker 2: work on, and I think that that's really cool. Yeah,

656
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

657
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Speaker 1: And I think it is is you know, gret Ly again,

658
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Speaker 1: someone I love, and someone whose performance I loved didn't

659
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Speaker 1: ultimately get nominated for the Oscar. So I think what

660
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: you're dealing with is a performance that is critically acclaimed

661
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Speaker 1: that everyone loved, but that didn't make the cut.

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Speaker 3: And everyone's saying like, what's her next out? Exactly, what's

663
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Speaker 3: her next outing? Yeah, and they're looking back and they're

664
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Speaker 3: be like, wait, grete Lee was in that, but this

665
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Speaker 3: wasn't the one.

666
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: It was sort of like Amy Adams and Junebug, like

667
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: that was her first big performance.

668
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, although she did get sure sure, wait Past Lives.

669
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: Now that's straight culture. I have to I have to agree.

670
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: And again I'm okay, okay, no, I think it is

671
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: straight culture, not in a derogatory way, just sort of

672
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: like it really is a quintessentially straight love story in.

673
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: A big I.

674
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: So I saw that. It was one of my first

675
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: dates with a with a previous partner of mine, who

676
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: of course is non binary, and we were no monogamous. Wow, congratulations,

677
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: thank you so much. So we were watching it just

678
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: being like, why don't they just raight? No?

679
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: It's like what but I almost appreciate, like there's something

680
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: about the clear cut steaks and limitations of a straight

681
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: love story that is what makes, you know, ancient Greek

682
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: tragedy in Shakespeare so compelling. Yeah, and everyone was just

683
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: Polly in Romeo and Julia like, what's the point.

684
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: It's like cell phones.

685
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: I was just about to say someone yeah, yeah.

686
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I was like almost, it's like

687
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: too many movies would be ruined with polyamory.

688
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah we can't.

689
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: That is true.

690
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: They're gonna start having to do everything Superior Piece in

691
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: twousand and three before polyamorys you know, okay, no polyamory,

692
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: no cell phones. That way the movie can have some steaks.

693
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay.

694
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: So I'm reading I'm reading a book and this is

695
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: actually sort of related to this. I'm reading a book.

696
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: I won't say who it's by but.

697
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 3: It's no, No, you would know. You wouldn't know her,

698
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: you would know her.

699
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: Jk Rowling no.

700
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: Closer to salary than Jake. But honestly, I would say,

701
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: right down the middle, we can, We'll bleep it.

702
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: It's why do you want to keep her private?

703
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: She's a public because I am about to criticize critics

704
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: and we all saw the Tina fey Klip.

705
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: Got it exactly basically.

706
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: In this book, the main character is a mother and

707
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: she has a I believe six year old child, and

708
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: she refers to the child with them pronounce, not because

709
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: the child has like come out as a non binory,

710
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: just because this is a progressive mom who wants to

711
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: refer to her child in that way the child, which

712
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: is something that I quite literally agree with. Politically, I

713
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: am on board. And yet I'm reading this book and

714
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: it I'm so aware of it that I'm like suddenly

715
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: thinking too much about this mom character. I'm like, oh,

716
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: classic pland mom classic, Like I'm unable to see like

717
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: other elements of her because that is so jarring. And

718
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: I think that is what the polyamory thing and the

719
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: cell phone thing does to movie, you know what I mean.

720
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: Wait wait when you see what what do you mean? Exactly?

721
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: Like like when it's it distracts me when it's the

722
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: like when she's saying like I change their diaper, it

723
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: takes me a second to be like, oh what, oh right,

724
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: oh that's what right?

725
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: Right? And polyamory in a film will take you out.

726
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 3: Yeah if it were Yeah, if it were, would you'd

727
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 3: be like okay, like we got it, fingers on the pulse.

728
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be about like polyamorous race car driver exactly,

729
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: like exactly, you'd only be able to focus on the

730
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: poly exactly.

731
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: The fact that because this woman I think this is

732
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: what I'm yes, like, this one is doing all this

733
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: other stuff that is the actual plot of the book,

734
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: and I keep, like for one second too long thinking

735
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: about the which is interesting.

736
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: Which then I'm like, all right, so I'm conservative, no

737
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: little yeah, or about to be.

738
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: We're about to make about to maybe I'm having my

739
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: Madam Web moment where I'm like, I'm voting for Antosantis.

740
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: Anyway, maybe we'll take that out.

741
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: Well, it's too bad, because I want to do a

742
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: I want to discuss the about the polyamorous race car drivers.

743
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just think you know the race car

744
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: driver and the pit crew is all.

745
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: I think they would. Well, it's either like they would

746
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: win for every time because their love is so strong,

747
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: so powerful, or they would always lose because they're always making.

748
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: Out the race stop kissing. There is such a thing

749
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: as too much love.

750
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 3: Love is love except for a race car that's not gone.

751
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: That's that's there, her web.

752
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: Love is love except a race race car driving.

753
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: Really, you know how some things just are like almost

754
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: too obvious of a commentary, like for everyone to just

755
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: be like eating hot dogs while watching fossil fuels being

756
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,479
Speaker 1: burned and then the cars have like advertisements on them.

757
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: Okay, not but you sound like Portland mom right now? Yeah?

758
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: What also are you? Do? You start turning red with someone.

759
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 3: And guess what? My child Celiac is having a great time.

760
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 2: Should we get into the topic, Yes.

761
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: Okay, Hester, Yes, what is your topic? And what do

762
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: you think is straight about it?

763
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm so excited to be uh talking about this today.

764
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: I'll tell you just really quickly one of my rejected

765
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: topics because I did a heavy vetting process before I

766
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: arrived here today.

767
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: Who did you vet with yourself? Yeah?

768
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 3: I mean just me? Yeah, yeah.

769
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: Now that's Madam Webb to be like having a conversation

770
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: with another version.

771
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: You're literally actual projecting and.

772
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, okay, I'm I've that to look forward to.

773
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 3: I didn't know that was an element. She can sort

774
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 3: of split.

775
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: She she does it once, she does it once and

776
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: honestly like not well now.

777
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh my god.

778
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: Adam Sandler is certainly like one.

779
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

780
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 3: But but that's there's.

781
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: What is there to say that hasn't been said?

782
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 3: But well, a lot actually and probably and you know,

783
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 3: I'll just leave y'all with that tease and you know,

784
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: the people. But what I wanted to talk about was

785
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 3: museums with slides in them, right, yeah, And so that's

786
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: how I'm referring to this, this sort of catch all

787
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: phenomenon of museums that you know, the first level is

788
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: these instagram museums. Yes, Museum of ice Cream. Now, there's

789
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 3: the Museum of Broadway. There's there's like a balloon museum,

790
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 3: Museum of sex, Museum of sex, right or not? You

791
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: mentioned before? Yeah, So then you start getting into like

792
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: some of the like nineties like experienced economy, Ripley's believe

793
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 3: it or not, the Madame Tousseau's all of these like

794
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: you know, forty second Street sort of things that you know,

795
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: we saw them as ghosh then, but now they've been

796
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: sort of up in this way for this certain like

797
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: millennial you know, email job, yes, yeah, consumer, yeah, And

798
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: I'm just.

799
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: Like, are you what? So these are your museums?

800
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: You're afraid of culture?

801
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 2: What you're afraid of history?

802
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: To be living in New York City and even contemplate

803
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: going to the Museum of ice Cream. Literally get on

804
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: the train and go to any museum.

805
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: It's so hard because to me they seem fun. No no, no, no, no,

806
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: don't put me in that boon. I just can see

807
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: how someone feels so lost and lonely that they would

808
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: find themselves sneaking out that culture or they would be like,

809
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: I don't know who or what I am and so,

810
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: and instead of sitting with that and trying to look inward,

811
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: they're like, so, I guess I'm going to go to

812
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: the Museum of ice Cream, And.

813
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 3: Well, do you have a really big heart? You can

814
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: see it that way? Yeah, and I yeah, But but

815
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 3: what you're giving us, I mean, is what you're giving us.

816
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: Don't yuck there yum.

817
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: No, I would. I would never ever do that in

818
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 2: my life. I'm just saying there's something to me, there's

819
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 2: like a sadness there, which, sure I don't always feel

820
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: like pathetic. No, I pick and choose.

821
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 3: I actually think that there's something there because I think about, like,

822
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: you know, before I was a woman, I was a

823
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: Disney adult. Oh was that much?

824
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: So your transition also included letting go of your Disney

825
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: adult past?

826
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I mean not that I like, you know,

827
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: I mean I still like kind of I'm a musical

828
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: theater person. It's like, you know, I still sort of

829
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 3: love What can I say? I love magic?

830
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: Okay, guilty? What is your relationship with Disney now? I

831
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: have to know, I mean my.

832
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: Relationship with Disney now is I love musical theater basically,

833
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: and you know I love the Muppets. You love doing

834
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: a whole New World at karaoke?

835
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

836
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. But I remember like one time, one time

837
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 3: I in college, I was I was in a class

838
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: my senior year called Disney's Lands. I had to write

839
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: an essay to get in. There were there were like

840
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: twenty people from the school. It was at University of Michigan,

841
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: and like they wanted one from like all these different majors,

842
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: all these different.

843
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: Whoa, they got together like an infinity war cast literal

844
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: order to have different perspectives on Disney Yeah, on specifically.

845
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: The theme parks.

846
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: Oh oh my god.

847
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 3: Like there's like, you know people that are like business majors, architecture,

848
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: art history, like musical theater. You know, like I knew.

849
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: Someone who was a religious studies major whose thesis was

850
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: on Disneyland as a religious space.

851
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

852
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a mecca. Yeah, and you walk around. I

853
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 3: mean it's sort of like, well, that's one page. Did

854
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: you write for the rest.

855
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, that's every point and it's a god.

856
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: Exactly. Donald is Joe. But yeah, but like we I mean,

857
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: as like the culmination of the of the class. We

858
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: went to disney World and we like study, we like

859
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: talked about it and stuff, and I stayed one extra

860
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: day and I thought it would be kind of cool

861
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: to be in the parks alone. But it was actually

862
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 3: the loneliest night of my life.

863
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something not shocking to me. I

864
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: know that being in Disney World alone make.

865
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: You feel alone. What was your fantasy?

866
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: You're like, they're gonna tap me to be the new Cinderella. No, literally,

867
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, they're gonna say, hey,

868
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: you with the stars in your eyes, like you know,

869
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: there's something magical about you.

870
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like you can't sing, can you?

871
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: And then you're like that funny you. But so all

872
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: this to say, yeah, there is like the person who

873
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: would think that like a museum of ice cream would

874
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: be like an enriching experience. They're a lonely person who

875
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: doesn't know themselves yet.

876
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was.

877
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: Able to I think you're also being optimistice And guess

878
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: what you're saying.

879
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: It's loneliness. You're saying they don't know themselves yet. What

880
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: if that's just their personality.

881
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: And it's for good and there's no and that just

882
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: unfortunately there's a certain certain segment of the population that

883
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: is museum of ice cream.

884
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm being so empathetic to this

885
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: type of person.

886
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: Well, no, I think i'm and I'm not even I'm

887
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: not even like saying I believe this, but I do

888
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: think that is a perspective worth asking. And I also

889
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: think all of this, the conversation we're having now is

890
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: essentially the conversation that was happening about Trump voters after

891
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: the twenties.

892
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: To me, it's so To me, it's both. Honestly, it's

893
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 2: like you're afraid. You're afraid of something, You're afraid of

894
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: looking out of your element, afraid of like like art museums.

895
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: But I never taught that in school, Like, well, I'll

896
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: look so stupid there.

897
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: But you're also in the museums like you're I mean,

898
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: it's basically like you're going to like look at these mirrors.

899
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 2: Yes, they show.

900
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: You yourself, well if you can handle.

901
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 3: It, And that's exactly it, And that's exactly it.

902
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: Or is it even the opposite? Is it like the

903
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: people that think they're so sophisticated because they're going to

904
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: the you know, Art of the America's exhibit, are they

905
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: even more looking into a mirror because they're so like

906
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: obsessed with being sophisticated that anything they see will just.

907
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: Reflect back to them. I am smart. It's like either

908
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 3: it's like are they are they wise?

909
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 2: Mad men? Are they mad? Wise?

910
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah?

911
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: Wow?

912
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: Okay, Wow, I'm trying to turn it.

913
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: I'm trying to okay, I'm trying to turn my perspective

914
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 2: to be hateful towards these people.

915
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: I think, yes, I think your angle on it is

916
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: something I hadn't considered before, which is we had these

917
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,959
Speaker 1: nineties early adds versions of this right right, please believe

918
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: it or not, Madam Justusseau's those are very self evidently

919
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: lame now, and this is updating that for the Instagram generation, right.

920
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: Well, those also specifically were like for families in theory,

921
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: it was like, my family's visiting this weird city, and

922
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: so what are we going to do?

923
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 3: Maybe it speaks to a sort of arrested development that

924
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: is a certain like, you know, we we don't have houses,

925
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 3: right like millennials, like the first generation, you know, all

926
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: the like. So someone like, let's you know, a Marnie,

927
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: right like, she's just a perfect I mean truly a

928
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 3: perfect character. A Marnie who who never really had to

929
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 3: look inward, might still enjoy the things from her youth,

930
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 3: having not really grown up, but feel shame about that fact,

931
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: and so look for something that sort of also flatters

932
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 3: her aesthetically.

933
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, So we have our own homes we would

934
00:44:59,360 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: not have.

935
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: If you say, turned the Museum of ice Cream into

936
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: affordable housing, Yes, then everyone will be flocking to the

937
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: Whitney Biennial is what.

938
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I'm saying. That actually does make sense

939
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: have thriving culture again. There's something about like it's all

940
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: about rent.

941
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: It's all about rent.

942
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it's also how it's about what you expect

943
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: out of escapism, because it's like, if you're so miserable

944
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: in your day to day life, you want escapism to

945
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: literally be like a four D X three D movie

946
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: that makes you, that beats you into forgetting George bought

947
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: us four D X tickets.

948
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: When I saw Madam Web, it was actually a nightmare.

949
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: We actually fine the one row that wasn't moving, and

950
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: I'm it's not my fault.

951
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: We were about to have a heart attack because we

952
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: were in a forty X theater getting sprayed with water

953
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: and wind and being rocked out. Well it's connecting us.

954
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, talk about the web connext to them all. Wait,

955
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 3: this is when I just are you gonna hold your thought?

956
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 2: Wait?

957
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 3: Let me remember it?

958
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: Yes, go ahead, okay, okay.

959
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: I saw Avatar the Way Water in screen X, which

960
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: is the format. There were like fifteen formats to see Avatar,

961
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 3: and this was the one where the like they have

962
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: like extra screen on the sides. So there's screen on

963
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: three sides of you. But the screen on the sides

964
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: was like rendered soap orly. You looked like a PS

965
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: two cut scene. Oh no, it looked like a Windows

966
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: screen saver. And so every time that it like, I

967
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: couldn't take the movie seriously every time that that happened. Yeah,

968
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 3: it is the only time.

969
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: I've seen one of my pet peeves is like leave

970
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: the film going experience alone one hundred.

971
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: Like it makes me so upset. Actually, this is connected

972
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: to what we're saying.

973
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: Yes, well her web connects them all.

974
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 3: Well I'll connect them all. Yeah.

975
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: But so my original point was like, if you hate

976
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: your life there's no social safety net donald Trump is

977
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: president or honestly her, then you are you are looking

978
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: for like extreme forms of escapism. Whereas if you have

979
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: everything you need, you're living in Denmark, then you actually

980
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: have the space to interpret a painting because you have

981
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: the peace of mind where you don't need to actually

982
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: be like pulverized into submission in order to enjoy a movie.

983
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: You know, not that there's not value in being pulverized. Yes, well,

984
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: of course, yes, so I actually have Yes, I think

985
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: that's but I also think that there's like there's even

986
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: when things are going like well, quote unquote, I think

987
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 3: we've we've in America, we've like maybe since the eighties. Right,

988
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: it all goes back to Reagan's web connects assault. Yeah,

989
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 3: what like in the nineties, there was like a sense

990
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: of there was there was this like growing wealth, right,

991
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: you know, like that that Hunter S. Thompson article about

992
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 3: like what like after nine to eleven, you know, like

993
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: we're gonna look at the nineties as this big party. Yeah,

994
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: but there was this like decay beginning, and we had

995
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 3: like a sense of that. So we would say around

996
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 3: the Lewinsky scandal. Yes, And it makes me think of

997
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 3: have you all seen snow Pier, sir.

998
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I've seen it. Finally a movie that I've seen.

999
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: I just keep thinking about like the like the like

1000
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 3: decadence of like the Second Train, Right, it's a little

1001
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: bit of that. It's like there's like this party going on.

1002
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: Wanting to ignore.

1003
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: Oh, I see what you're saying, you like the decay happening.

1004
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, as the So the Museum of ice Cream is

1005
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: that party in this.

1006
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: It's the party. It's people with the email job, it's

1007
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: people with the email oh got it themselves? Yeah, by

1008
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: being in a ballpit.

1009
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't see the wrong tol yeah happening.

1010
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is so interesting because my instinct is that

1011
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: not to say the obvious that is the rot. Like

1012
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: when you're looking at this dirty, disgusting ballpit and there

1013
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: are people that are fully twenty nine years old that

1014
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: are like almost drowning because they want photos of themselves

1015
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: with overtized sprinkles, You're like, well, if that is not

1016
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: the rock, then what is?

1017
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: And then went back to the object and subjects right, yeah, yeah,

1018
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: if that is not the rock, then what is?

1019
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's like, is the rot like the object or

1020
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 3: like the signify it?

1021
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 2: Yes?

1022
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: You know, no, no, I think like does that signal

1023
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: the rot? Or is it the rot?

1024
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: Right? Yes? Is it?

1025
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: Or also like is it a symptom of the rot?

1026
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: Or is it the rot itself?

1027
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: Right?

1028
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: I guess it is a symptom. You can't argue that

1029
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: the Museum of ice Cream is the rot starts? What

1030
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 3: if I was like, well, the cuz iceroam came first,

1031
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 3: and then Trump is like because specifically the ice cream.

1032
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: No, no, it was twenty nine rooms.

1033
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, then Trump, Well The other thing is, okay, so

1034
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about Disneyland, right, Listen, we all have our

1035
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: issues with Disney, Disney or whatever, but the very least

1036
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: Disneyland is based on beloved characters that all do come

1037
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: from true master works. Like sure, when you look at

1038
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: old Mickey Mouse cartoons, when you watch Disney movies that

1039
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: we grew up with, like whatever, there is a there

1040
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: there there is to go to the signified signifier. There

1041
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: is a signified that signified is.

1042
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 3: These beloved characters.

1043
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I think with the Museum of ice Cream, there

1044
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: is no signified. You go in and it's just a

1045
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: general positive vibes. There's nothing that it reminds you of.

1046
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: There's nothing that it is like pointing to. It doesn't

1047
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: even really remind you of your childhood because it's not

1048
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: like you're going to six Flags or something. There is

1049
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: nothing that it is signifying. It's just like, please look

1050
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: at these colors and don't ask questions.

1051
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's again, I think that's the sadness of it,

1052
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 2: where it's these people that like, yes, want to go,

1053
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: they want to do something fun, they have a goal, yeah,

1054
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: and they're like I've seen pictures from this, I hope

1055
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: it's fun right, and they're like, oh, it's just empty,

1056
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: like it's just colors. But they don't there.

1057
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're disappointed, right, I don't know

1058
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: if they're thinking, oh, it's just empty, Like are they

1059
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 3: getting that far?

1060
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to even if they don't know, I'm

1061
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: empty because of this, I feel like there's a sadness

1062
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 2: when they leave, Like I have to. There also have

1063
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: to think there's a sadness because even they'll post the picture.

1064
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: Of course you went, you paid the entry, fore you're

1065
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: going to post the picture in the sprinkles and then

1066
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 2: you're like checking it for likes and you're like is

1067
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: it good enough? Oh my god, And that's so sad.

1068
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 3: There's also something about I think one of the darkest

1069
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 3: parts of our culture is the rise of half humor,

1070
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 3: which is when something gestures it being funny without actually

1071
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 3: being funny.

1072
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: And I think Museum of Sex, Museum of ice cream,

1073
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: all of these things are semi ironic but don't have

1074
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: the courage to be either fully ironic or fully earnest.

1075
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: And I think that is actually talk about signs of rod. Yeah,

1076
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: I do think it's like, at least if you're going

1077
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: to a museum and going to a really like a

1078
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: Dega exhibition. Okay, yeah, that is fully earnest. You are

1079
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: like I am seeing this great painter and I am

1080
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 1: seeing just NonStop photos of Ballerina's. Then on the other

1081
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: side of things, what's something like completely like if you're

1082
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: going like ironically to a water park, that is like,

1083
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: fully you're having fun with you you're ironic.

1084
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 3: That's not rotting to water park is not rock.

1085
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: This is no, no, no, no, but me of ice

1086
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: cream is like not being able to commit to one

1087
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: or the other.

1088
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: Right, it's shame. It's shame.

1089
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: It's honestly and it's honestly wanting to.

1090
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: Like dissociate a little bit, like to just be like, well,

1091
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: here we're all ice cream.

1092
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, it's really dark because what like

1093
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: what it's like, why do they call it a museum?

1094
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: Well and and there you go, you know what I mean, Like,

1095
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 3: why do they have to be like and look, if

1096
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 3: it were a museum, that's a different story. If there

1097
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: were like installations about like that'd that could be kind

1098
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 3: of interesting, like the history of ice cream. Yeah, you know, yeah,

1099
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: we doesn't want to know. I mean, yeah, I'm sure

1100
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: it's storied. I mean, so at least one good room.

1101
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 3: At least one good room.

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00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: The first lactose in tolerant girl who started farting after eating.

1103
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but like this is like they have to

1104
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 3: say that it's a museum so that these people who

1105
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 3: are like a shame to just have fun, who are

1106
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 3: like ashamed of like of like of maybe not reaching

1107
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 3: like certain like milestones that they feel they should have

1108
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: reached by now they they still it's like the air

1109
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: of culture.

1110
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: Well, they have to call it a museum because they're

1111
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: afraid to call it a church. Oh honey, well yeah,

1112
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: because what we're actually missing is non commodified spaces for

1113
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: people to congregate.

1114
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 3: And we all know this and we're getting and what

1115
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: we haven't said. The Museum of ice.

1116
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: Cream, I mean goes back to Reagan.

1117
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 3: Of course goes well, this goes back to Reagan. It

1118
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: was music. My stream was Reagan's last idea. And then

1119
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: he died.

1120
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: He was fully he had full on dementia. He was

1121
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: on his deathbed. Nancy was giving him one last bj

1122
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: and then he was like and he was like a

1123
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: museum with no art.

1124
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. The way that you just described the

1125
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 2: Museum of ice Cream. It reminds me of an event

1126
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: I went to once that also filled me with sadness.

1127
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: That was at a bar during the day and it

1128
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: was like, you take the sa t excuse me, you

1129
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: take the SAT as a joke and like see what

1130
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: score you got? And I went and they had like

1131
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: performed I was like performing on it. They would like

1132
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: be like performance breaks and I was just.

1133
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 3: Like, this is shocking. Was it a caveat?

1134
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: Of course? It was, oh my god. And it was

1135
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 2: just like what a read And I guess what, you don't.

1136
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 1: Because they need to know there are people out there

1137
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: going to take the SATs recreationally.

1138
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: It was just like you have to move on. You

1139
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 2: are like still so proud of yourself for being good

1140
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: at the SAT. It was so sad.

1141
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: And you know what this web connects to this. These

1142
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 3: are people who can't see a future for themselves. They

1143
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 3: can't see a future only in the past. That's why

1144
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 3: Madam Webb is the ultimate hero, right she can see

1145
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: the future sort of. She's imagining queer futures.

1146
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And actually I think this sort of is important

1147
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: because it doesn't have this this like male confidence of

1148
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: like Oh my god, I'm gonna go to the moon

1149
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: and plant.

1150
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 3: A flatt right.

1151
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: No, it's like maybe tomorrow it might rain.

1152
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's a community aspect, yes, of course.

1153
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 3: It's like her sort of is like she can envision

1154
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 3: these futures, right, and if it were a man, like

1155
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 3: probably the man would be like this is happening. Yeah,

1156
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: but she is like I I I'm going to like,

1157
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to share that information and then like together

1158
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 3: we can move forward.

1159
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a little it's something, it's an ice brea.

1160
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: It's like, maybe this is it.

1161
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 3: Now, let's go to the web for more.

1162
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: She has an idea and then she's like and then

1163
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: we'll work through it together.

1164
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she apologizes for it and she apologizes.

1165
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 1: Something you will notice esther when you see the film

1166
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: is that every second word out of her mouth is

1167
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. If all the teen girls keep asking

1168
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: her like why is this happening? Why is this happening,

1169
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: and she's like, girls, I don't know.

1170
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: It's the most incredible performance the whole movie. The metatext,

1171
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: of course is I don't know what this movie's about. Yes,

1172
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 2: And it's like, thank you, it's so cool.

1173
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if some of those lines actually were

1174
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: something else into coda. Johnson was like, whatever, I feel

1175
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: like the character wouldn't know here.

1176
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, there's so much going Why is that guy

1177
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 2: using us? I don't know, it's amazing.

1178
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: It's just that for an hour and a half, and

1179
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: then she gets her powers truly within the last like

1180
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: twenty minutes.

1181
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 3: The only sort of she's like and once again the

1182
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 3: culture can't commit. Yeah, well, you know what it is.

1183
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, in you know, the original Tobe

1184
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 1: McGuire Spider Man, or for me, in my world the original,

1185
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: I know there's more sure, you know, he starts getting

1186
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: his powers and he's like trying to climb for the

1187
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: first time. He's figuring it out, and that's like the

1188
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: first that's the end of the first act, because that's

1189
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: how a superhero movie is structured. It's like, find your powers,

1190
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: you try to use them, you fail, then you figure

1191
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: them out. In Madam Webb, that's the finale.

1192
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so this is a symptom of this is

1193
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 3: like capitalistic bloat, right because it's exactly but then if

1194
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 3: you actually take it as.

1195
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: Exact wall exactly exact, exact, well, it's the way that

1196
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: the whole movie is to get to just the point.

1197
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 2: She's a normal girl the whole time. But what.

1198
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: But what makes it, what makes it camp, is that

1199
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: those sequels will never come. So we are with this

1200
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: sort of amazing story with no resolution. It's like Ladybird like,

1201
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: it's literally like she's almost like her name.

1202
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: Yes she does.

1203
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 3: She's I'm actually interested to see if there's a transnarrative,

1204
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 3: you know, like, well, guess what we're not going to

1205
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 3: find out.

1206
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, I can't wait for you to see it.

1207
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see it. I can't wait to

1208
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 3: see it. I'd love to if I could just like

1209
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 3: come on later for like a little ten minute, please

1210
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 3: excluse then are giving my I am.

1211
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: Okay with the rest of our Patreon content forever being

1212
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: about Madame Webb.

1213
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: You know what, Madam Web actually inspires so much hope

1214
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: enjoy in me because it's it's some of what we're

1215
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: saying about language where it's like what's what's out now,

1216
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: what's in now? It's so nice to have a new

1217
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: thing that everyone has. The community is like, this is

1218
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: this is defining the conversation for the year. Well, look

1219
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: back on this year and be like, remember we were

1220
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: laughing about Madam Webb, but you know it's going to

1221
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: be so good.

1222
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 3: I had the thought, and maybe you both had this

1223
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: thought too, because you know you're very smart and plugged

1224
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: in of course, you know.

1225
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 2: Well yas.

1226
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 3: About like maybe four to five minutes ago, I was like,

1227
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 3: are we dating this episode in a big way?

1228
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, but yeah, sorry.

1229
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: But the last thing that felt like this how Madam

1230
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 3: Webb feels is Cats.

1231
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: Well people have been saying it's the cats of superhero movies.

1232
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and cats. I actually I still like cats jokes,

1233
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 3: Like I smile. It was a crazy moment.

1234
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 2: It was a crazy moment.

1235
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 3: And the fact that was like everyone's last movie before Lockdown,

1236
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 3: Like I saw like a like a ten thirty PM

1237
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 3: at like Lincoln Square, AMC. So we all were just

1238
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 3: doing full talkback. Yeah, it was so fun. This is like,

1239
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 3: like I still laugh, I still think fondly on that moment.

1240
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 3: So I do think something about Madam Webb is and

1241
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 3: it signifies the death of the superhero Yeah, which is

1242
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 3: so great. Like what a way to go moment?

1243
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: What a way to go? What a way to go?

1244
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: It didn't end with a bang. Ended with an I

1245
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I love with the girlies. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1246
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: with Sydney Sweeney being in an aborted prequel for that

1247
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: for bat Girl, No Spider, Spider Spider.

1248
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I can't talk about it whatever. Like interviews incredible.

1249
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: I also to the I really like the our episodes

1250
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: are so dated, Like I think it's so funny as

1251
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 2: a little journal. Yeah, so keep a topical.

1252
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: What would if you were to make a fake museum?

1253
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 3: What would the topic be?

1254
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: Wow? Great question with a slide, and its a good

1255
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: question with a slide.

1256
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: By the way, we haven't addressed the actual slide in

1257
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: case anyone has the problem that I had. So when

1258
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: asked the first of this, I hesitated because I thought

1259
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: that she meant slides like a slide show, like a

1260
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,479
Speaker 1: history history museums that have like a slide show.

1261
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 3: And so I'll be honest, like, I saw a wave

1262
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 3: of confusion come over your face when I shared the

1263
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 3: topic right before we started recording, and I was I was,

1264
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 3: I was taken aback because I was like, I feel

1265
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 3: like this is a perfect totally no. I yes, But

1266
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: then as soon as you understood then you were like, oh,

1267
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 3: this is rich.

1268
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: You know and when you sanguige I I at first

1269
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, does she mean slides or slides?

1270
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: But then I just use context clues, which can be

1271
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: so so amazing.

1272
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: Contexts are hard for me. Okay, what would I mean?

1273
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 3: Off the bat?

1274
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, would yours be the Museum of Broadway?

1275
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 3: Well, that does exist, It does exist. Oh, there is

1276
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 3: a Museum of Broadway, and you know that. It's like

1277
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 3: halfway right.

1278
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: It just has like one bra that Patty Lapone wore.

1279
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has it's a room of like one from

1280
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 3: every show. It has the padded bra that Rob McClure

1281
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 3: wore as Missus Doubtfire. You have to take a picture

1282
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 3: with a playbill on your way out. Yeah, no, well

1283
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 3: this is the thing. It's like halfway right because I

1284
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 3: haven't been to it. I haven't been to any of these.

1285
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: But like there's like there is history stuff.

1286
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 3: But then you take a picture, like there's like a

1287
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 3: swing that's like themed like hair like that, so people

1288
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 3: take pictures with that. So it's sort of what you

1289
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 3: would get if you were to go to a Broadway

1290
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 3: show that had a little photo op, but all of

1291
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 3: them together, like you know, I remember when I went

1292
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 3: to Angels in America like they had the wings that

1293
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 3: you could take a photo in front of.

1294
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's that, but then for every show, and

1295
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: you also don't get to see a show.

1296
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: That's right, That's right.

1297
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean, is there a better metaphor for this kind

1298
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: of fake museum than that. It's like it's spectacle. Yes,

1299
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: it's spectacle, but without the spectacle.

1300
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a question when you are in like

1301
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 2: a space where it's like you got to the end

1302
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: of the museum, you should take a picture on the

1303
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: hair chair, do you take a picture? Not anymore? Do you?

1304
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 3: Uh?

1305
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: I will say I don't know if I actually actually

1306
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: posted it, but I did get a photo with the

1307
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: Angels in America wings when I went with my friend's staff.

1308
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: See this. I am so rocked when put in that

1309
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 2: situation because I'm like, do I do it? Or do

1310
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: am I above it? Because obviously in my mind I'm

1311
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: way above it? But and then I'm also like, but

1312
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Speaker 2: I'm human, right, I came to the show. I need

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01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 2: proof of it.

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01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 3: Well, it's a little bit like, oh, like what is

1315
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 3: it like, Oh, you hate capitalism, but you have an iPhone? Yeah,

1316
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: It's like, well you're there.

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01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: Well you know what else I do? And I do

1319
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: this literally with no shame. You better believe I post

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Speaker 1: the playble to my story every single time I go.

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01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 3: To the theater.

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01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: See I don't, and I don't.

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01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be shamed for it.

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01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 3: I think there's something about the effemery of the story.

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01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, no, I would never do a great I do.

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01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 2: I love this.

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01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: I guess what every cause it's like obviously, I'm also

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01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: kind of being like, look at me, I'm at a play.

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01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: But what's also fun about it is that everyone else

1330
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: has seen it then responds and it's like, oh my god,

1331
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: wasn't El Fanning like so bad?

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01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Just be not bad. We Yeah, I went to

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01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: cold Show. Yeah, and I like, I don't go to

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01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: a theater very often with it with a playbill. And

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01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 2: I was like, I know, the culture is take a picture.

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01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 3: Of the real theater people would probably look at me

1337
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 3: and are like, you're so ghost for doing that, but

1338
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 3: I don't care.

1339
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 2: It's I felt so much shame and I had to

1340
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 2: look around and make sure other people were doing it too.

1341
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 3: Real theater people aren't that cultured anymore. Yes, you know,

1342
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 3: real theater, real theater people are are posting to their

1343
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 3: grid Yeah town, Yeah, exactly interesting.

1344
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 2: Well should we do our final segment?

1345
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: I mean, none of us have answered my question. I

1346
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: love that, I mean, but also.

1347
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: No, no, I can.

1348
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,479
Speaker 1: It has to because it's Me's a difficult one because

1349
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: it has to be something essentially bad, like you're creating

1350
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: something you wouldn't even yourself want A well, the.

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01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: One that I would fully yeah, I would want like

1352
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: like if there was a hacky way to do like

1353
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 2: music of Gay Guy, where if.

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01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 3: It were like, right, that's that's really good actually.

1355
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 2: And you could like, yeah, there'd be you know, although

1356
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 2: there'd be the Fire Island section of like the seventies,

1357
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: and then you'd also like you could walk into like

1358
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 2: a dance floor and it was like, yes is what

1359
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 2: it was.

1360
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 3: Like like a fake Keith Herring Ye mural.

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01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Diva's.

1362
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 3: Room, Diva's room, Diva.

1363
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: Like just a room that has like the film the

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01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: concert film of the Madonna Confessions tour playing on a loop.

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01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 3: You could get like kind of like like exit through

1366
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 3: their gift shop like poppers, like yes, like.

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01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: Also a giant thing of poppers to do a photo

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01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: op with. Oh, Yeah, there'd be like a frame frame

1369
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: Jock strash.

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01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 3: That's a really good idea.

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01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 3: Well, also, like I kind of want to go like

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01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 3: what's some of the like early gay guys like I

1374
01:05:55,120 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 3: don't really know, like gay male history like too yeah yeah,

1375
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 3: like like what's like turn of the century gay guys.

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01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 3: Well Dandy is like yeah society, Yeah exactly.

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01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 2: I think there's like something.

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01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 3: I think it's like something like really beautiful with like

1379
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 3: trans women in gay guy history, like the way it

1380
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 3: has intertwined, you know at certain points in history. Absolutely

1381
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 3: people are like, oh, you're just like crazy people with penis.

1382
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: We're actually there's a lot a lot of ways. Yeah

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01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 2: found Yeah wow, wait mine, I think that's a good one.

1384
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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: This is actually almost this all this actually sort of

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01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: does exist. I'm thinking of like if you go to

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01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: like couper Hute or something and they have like an

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01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: exhibition that's like the history of advertising and.

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01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 3: There's like famous ads. Sure, like that does.

1390
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: Exist and you could argue it is art, right, but

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01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: there is something about like there's almost like a nineties

1392
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: kids will remember this element like a museum that is basically.

1393
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 3: Like BuzzFeed the museum.

1394
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: It's just like artifacts from your childhood, and it's in

1395
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: fact micro targeted so that when you enter a room,

1396
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: it's all things that like bring you.

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01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 3: Back to your childhood.

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01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: It's like a power ranger that's like still in the

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01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: wrapp bern.

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01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

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01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 3: I think that something like that is bound to have

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01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 3: on a CEU, and it'll be VR because it'll be

1403
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 3: like algorithmic, that's how it's like. So point yeah. So

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01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 3: something that I think like as something I really like

1405
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 3: like left left wing, like revolutionary history and stuff like

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01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 3: that and like protests, and so I think it would

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01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 3: be cool and crazy to have like a museum that's

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01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 3: like dedicated to that. Yeah, like like radical movements and

1409
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 3: stuff like that specifically.

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01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 2: And there is this.

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01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 3: Extra added layer of darkness that it's being commandic, no,

1412
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 3: that's being reclaimed and recaptured, so dark, and you feel

1413
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 3: like you're like doing something by going to this, like

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01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 3: the Museum of Radicality or something, you know, I mean

1415
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:12,959
Speaker 3: that does It's like you.

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01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:17,520
Speaker 1: Will occasionally go to like you know, protest art or something, yeah,

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01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: and then it'll be like a framed sign from a

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01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: protest right and and then like a photo of people congregating,

1419
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: and then you're also with people, but rather than creating

1420
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: change themselves, are sort of all being like wow, that

1421
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:32,959
Speaker 1: was powerful.

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01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: No.

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01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like there's an exhibit right now at the

1424
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 3: Brooklyn Museum that I really want to go to of

1425
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 3: like queer zines, and it's like this like radical way

1426
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 3: of like spreading information within like queer punk communities and

1427
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 3: stuff that like now is being given this legitimacy, but

1428
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 3: like also while it's still happening, So I think there's

1429
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 3: like I wonder what that's doing to like the brains

1430
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 3: of the people like everything that, like, you know, I

1431
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 3: wonder if they're somewhere in the back of their mind

1432
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 3: they're like, well, this might be like in a museum

1433
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 3: one day.

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01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: Well, I do you think this happened so much to

1435
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: the act up generation like it has been that story

1436
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 1: has now been told so many different times in documentaries,

1437
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: in museums, whatever, that it's so difficult to actually be like,

1438
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,759
Speaker 1: oh that was there was a time when that wasn't commodified.

1439
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 2: Right, right, It's hard to remember that.

1440
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 3: And things get left out there that, you know, like

1441
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 3: people want to talk about the suffragists, they don't want

1442
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,839
Speaker 3: to talk about how the suffragists bombed things.

1443
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 2: You know, whoa that one in your but in.

1444
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 1: Your museum, that'll be that whole room.

1445
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 3: You'll get you'll never mind, you'll get.

1446
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 2: You'll get.

1447
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 3: I mean it would be things like the anarchists, like

1448
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 3: here's a bomb recipe. It'll be called steal this museum.

1449
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 2: O my god, esther done.

1450
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,719
Speaker 3: There's a future here. That's a million dollar mutual aid

1451
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 3: fund museum.

1452
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's really good.

1453
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 3: Damn wow, thank you.

1454
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 2: To the queersy thing. I did have something where I

1455
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 2: like in a museum when it's like, you know, things

1456
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 2: from the past, and you're like looking at stuff in

1457
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 2: like recent past. It's like this is zines from the

1458
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,600
Speaker 2: seventies or something, and you're like cool, cool, cool. And

1459
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 2: then when it gets like and they're still being made

1460
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 2: today and like you see like stuff from like six

1461
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 2: months ago, I'm always like, don't don't show me that. Yeah,

1462
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 2: like you haven't had time to ruminate on there exactly.

1463
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 2: Let's see this one's important later. Yeah, eve when they

1464
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 2: get to contemporary.

1465
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 3: It's like who chose that one?

1466
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that your friend?

1467
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: Be honest, do you guys know what actually is? So

1468
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: part of this conversation, which is when old school museum

1469
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 1: culture and fake museum culture clashed. When MoMA did the

1470
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: York exhibition, Do you remember that? I don't, so it

1471
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: was like I didn't.

1472
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 3: I didn't go either.

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01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: They heavily advertise this and it was going to be

1474
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: like Byork at it was the b York show at MoMA,

1475
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: and it had and you sort of think, Okay, it'll

1476
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: have some like costumes from her videos whatever. And I

1477
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: don't remember the details, but it was the most like

1478
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: critically panned art show of like all time. Like it

1479
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: was like an embarrassing, humiliating moment for MoMA. It was

1480
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: seen as like them trying so hard and so desperately

1481
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 1: to like appeal to people that wouldn't otherwise come to

1482
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: a museum. And I do wonder, if I don't know,

1483
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: is there a way to like, let's say you are an.

1484
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 3: Old school museum.

1485
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: You want to get you blood in, but you don't

1486
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: want to do museum of ice cream. What is a

1487
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 1: way to do while maintaining some integrity. I guess it

1488
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: is the zine thing.

1489
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 3: Well, I do think it's the zene thing. Yeah, I

1490
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 3: think I think. I mean, I'll speak to what would

1491
01:11:54,520 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 3: get me in is like, is more like queer art inclusivity? Yeah, inclusivity.

1492
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 3: So I guess the answer is just inclusivity. Yeah, all right, yeah,

1493
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 3: all right, okay, yeah, I've heard that's pretty easy to accomplish.

1494
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we solve museums.

1495
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 3: I feel really good right now, kind filled with light.

1496
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah that's amazing.

1497
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 7: Yeah cool, see you at the Googenheim.

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01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 2: Now we should do our final sege.

1499
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 3: We should final a segment. I wish I had one.

1500
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you.

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01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 2: Our final segment is called shout outs, and in this

1502
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 2: segment we pimash is the grand straight oral tradition of

1503
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 2: the radio shout out, Yes, giving a shout out to

1504
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 2: anything that we enjoy. We will go first, and then

1505
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 2: and then you, of course, naturally, naturally, I have one.

1506
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 3: Okay, what freak exclusions and not.

1507
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: To mention perverts. I want to give a shout out

1508
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 2: to the new Casey Musgraves song Deeper. Well, that's right,

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01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 2: I am enjoying this song. I feel like, you know,

1510
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 2: like everyone else, I was obsessed with Golden Hour album

1511
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: by her, and but then the next one I was

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01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 2: sort of like, yeah, this is fine, and it's sort

1513
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 2: of you know when you love thing by someone so

1514
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: much and then the next one you don't love that much,

1515
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 2: and you're like, did I ever like them? What was

1516
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 2: my what is my relationship with Casey Musgraves? And now

1517
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 2: this new song came out and I said she's a

1518
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 2: genius and I said, I'm all in. I was a

1519
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 2: fool to have ever doubted her. It feels mature, it

1520
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 2: feels classic, and it feels i'll say it relevant to

1521
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 2: my current life, which is so groundbreaking when stuff is

1522
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 2: relative to my current life. So shout out to Casey

1523
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: mus Graves, shout out to the new song, and shout

1524
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 2: out to being a gay guy. Wow, really brought it

1525
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 2: home at d there.

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Speaker 1: What's that freaks some losers? I want to give a

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01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 1: shout out to getting him in on the rocks. People

1528
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: will tell you you'll need some queer butter tender and they'll

1529
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,759
Speaker 1: say Manhattan. That goes in a little kooky Coopie Glass.

1530
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: I didn't realize we were in, you know, occupied Russia.

1531
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: I can do whatever I want. I can get it on.

1532
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: I can get it on the rocks if I want.

1533
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: And guess what, then, I'm not drinking lukewarm sort of

1534
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: styrupy whiskey mixture. I'm drinking a delicious iced cocktail. So yes,

1535
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 1: I draw the line of getting a martini on the rocks.

1536
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm not insane, but guess what, go to a bar

1537
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: order a rye Manhattan on the rocks and report back

1538
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: because something tells me you're gonna be refreshed and you're

1539
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: gonna be honestly drunk.

1540
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 2: WHOA, I couldn't disagree more.

1541
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 3: But really, you would never do that.

1542
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 2: I get upset when they do that.

1543
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I get it. I used to be like you.

1544
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 2: The little fancy glass is half the fun. I actually

1545
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 2: just wish more drinks came into the fancy, the Bartini

1546
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 2: style glass.

1547
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 3: But what about surely getting warm?

1548
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 2: Well, honey, the right I drink it, it's not.

1549
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 3: And there's gonna be a way split the difference, right,

1550
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:04,879
Speaker 3: Like one piece.

1551
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: Of ice one I well, there's nothing more stigmatized in

1552
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: this country than like putting one ice cuban. Like when

1553
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: when I will sometimes put one ice cuban, I'll say

1554
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 1: it a glass of white wine, sue me.

1555
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, guess what?

1556
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: It keeps a colt. It doesn't change the taste that much.

1557
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 1: And I have the right to do it. So that's

1558
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: talk about something we should normalize.

1559
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 2: Do you want to do another shout out? He's curious?

1560
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 3: All right, as starts time for your show. Okay, hey, hey,

1561
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 3: hey America, what's up, gay.

1562
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 2: People?

1563
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 3: I am loving babies, specifically nieces and nephews, so let's

1564
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 3: give it up for nieces and nephews.

1565
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

1566
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,919
Speaker 3: I am not going to use the term nippling unless

1567
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 3: I have to, and then I would gladly for the record,

1568
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 3: and that's it for the record. But it doesn't sound

1569
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 3: it just it feels we need a different word. Yeah,

1570
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 3: and maybe we won't get it, and we'll I'll say nibbling.

1571
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 3: I'm a conservative. I suppose the point is we all

1572
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 3: are little kids are really cute. My niece is I

1573
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 3: was like, should I say her name? I guess, so, yeah,

1574
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 3: talks that bitch.

1575
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 2: Her name is Live.

1576
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 3: She's three years old, and she's starting to get to

1577
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 3: the point where she knows my name, and she's like Esta,

1578
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 3: Esta's calling and wants to talk to me on the phone.

1579
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 3: And it makes me feel really good and it gives

1580
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:39,440
Speaker 3: me hope.

1581
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 2: And makes me see the future. Wow. Her web connects me.

1582
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 2: All web connects me all, no, that's.

1583
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: Really that would have been the tagline of the sequel,

1584
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: but they're never gonna make it.

1585
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 3: No, her Web connects me all wow.

1586
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm about to choke on water. Well, well, thank

1587
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 2: you for doing the podcast, Joy, thank you.

1588
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: I can't wait for our live show at the Museum

1589
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 1: of ice Cream. Yeah, and you know, get out there

1590
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: and go to the Met.

1591
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, go to Madam Web, go to the Met,

1592
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: Go to Madam Met, go to Miss Mama Matt. Don't

1593
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 2: be afraid. Don't be afraid of looking inside. Yeah, I

1594
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 2: believe in you. Yeah, and don't be don't.

1595
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: You look at a piece of art you don't immediately

1596
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 1: get it, move on to the next one.

1597
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 3: There are so many.

1598
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 2: You don't have to get it.

1599
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 3: It might seem like us three, because of the way

1600
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 3: we're talking, might seem like we get every piece of art.

1601
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten a piece of art and since Madam Web, honestly.

1602
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 3: We saw it very Yeah, I feel like I'm going

1603
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 3: to see that and be like, oh, that's the first

1604
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 3: piece of art. I didn't get anything else.

1605
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, well, bye bye.

1606
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 3: Bye podcast and now want more.

1607
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,599
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1608
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,599
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1609
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:11,120
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1610
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,800
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1611
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