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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Scott. Let's jump back into your book, Aliens in

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Speaker 2: the Apocalypse. The meaning of alien messages. I've talked about

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Speaker 2: it on this program before. I kind of call them

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Speaker 2: sort of alien editorials where they lecture us, and these,

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Speaker 2: you know, the limited encounters where we have specific information

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Speaker 2: from them. They're sharing a fairly consistent message that we

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Speaker 2: need to quit messing with nukes, we need to quit

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Speaker 2: messing up our planet, we need to get our act together.

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Speaker 2: Can you give me a sense of how far back

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Speaker 2: those kind of messages go when we started hearing those

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Speaker 2: kind of themes.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think so far as messing up our planet,

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Speaker 3: that's something that we've started doing recently. I don't think

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Speaker 3: we were really as disastrous before as we are now.

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Speaker 3: And well, since we've viewed UFOs of spaceships, some people

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Speaker 3: have some people have said they received messages, but such

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Speaker 3: as getting along peacefully and saving our planet. The UFO

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Speaker 3: phenomenon may have gone way way back as far as

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Speaker 3: recorded history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the message is about blowing ourselves up.

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Speaker 2: Didn't didn't really pop up until we started building nuclear weapons. Though. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think our first bomb went off in nineteen

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Speaker 3: forty five, and what we view as UFOs began in

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Speaker 3: nineteen forty seven, although this might have been other ones

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Speaker 3: that nobody interpreted that way too.

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Speaker 2: You make the point that these messages that are shared

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Speaker 2: with contact ees abductees, it's sort of a democratic in

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Speaker 2: a sense that they don't land on the White House

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Speaker 2: lawn and make some announcement done mass media. They tell

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Speaker 2: this story, the same message over and over to individuals,

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Speaker 2: one at a time, or sometimes in small groups. Correct. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 3: They're not going through our hierarchy. I mean usually, I

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Speaker 3: mean right now we have kind of a male archy

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Speaker 3: with the males on top of the White House and

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Speaker 3: Putin and everybody. And if they want to be officially

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Speaker 3: recognized by us, they need to sort of recognize our

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Speaker 3: social setup, and they don't appear to be doing that.

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Speaker 2: And you think one reason for that might be that

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Speaker 2: they are female centric civilizations that they developed through female

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Speaker 2: dominated societies or civilizations. You make the case that for humans,

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Speaker 2: may be the most important building blocks of our current

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Speaker 2: civilizations were done by women and not by men.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the we have the Conquistador attitude of alpha males

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Speaker 3: and all that of males being in charge, and they

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Speaker 3: are in charge by violence and brutality and swords and

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Speaker 3: all that. Well, our alien appearances often are skinny little females,

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Speaker 3: and often who they appear to our females and children.

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Speaker 3: They're not necessarily to our top leaders. And that's sole

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Speaker 3: that's ignoring our hierarchy. But they're giving the impression that

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Speaker 3: we should pay more attention to our females instead of

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Speaker 3: our males, and we're solving our problems, such as it

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Speaker 3: aggression by being more aggressive. I mean, like you're not

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Speaker 3: hearing messages from the UFOs that say, make bigger bombs

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Speaker 3: and kill more people, just the opposite. And so I

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Speaker 3: was saying that maybe they're asking us to pay attention

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Speaker 3: to other ideas of how we were founded. So I

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Speaker 3: was giving a lot of information about human and animal

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Speaker 3: females and their importance and giving suggestions that may be

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Speaker 3: our civilization was founded in groups of females rather than

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Speaker 3: killer eights, which is a standard explanation. The standard explanation

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Speaker 3: is that we became cognivores and started killing animals and

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Speaker 3: that's how we became successful. Well, that's an old theory,

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Speaker 3: but it's very widespread, but there's not a whole lot

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Speaker 3: of evidence for it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you do present evidence that backs up a lot

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Speaker 2: of your central contentions and that in human civilization it's

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Speaker 2: the female contributions that are most important, for example, language, writing, communication,

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Speaker 2: So much of the fundamental commun medications that are documented

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Speaker 2: through history happened from mother to child. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I was the people that wrote about the

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Speaker 3: killer eight, which is the standard explanation and the most widespread,

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Speaker 3: and what everybody views doesn't have a lot to back

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Speaker 3: it up because the people that were writing that didn't

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Speaker 3: know anything about mammal behavior and were mammals. And most

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Speaker 3: mammals that form groups form female groups that are presented

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Speaker 3: often as male harems, and the males like the females,

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Speaker 3: we probably started out as female groups, and for most

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Speaker 3: of the time we probably were. And what it's good

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Speaker 3: evidence is that the first art in the first cave

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Speaker 3: drawings and everything else, mainly emphasized females. And if you

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Speaker 3: first carving, it's a female. If you go during most

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Speaker 3: of the time humans have been here, we've been here

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Speaker 3: except very recently, most of the artists featured females. They're

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Speaker 3: just statues of females. And they've also looked at cave

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Speaker 3: drawings and oftentimes these have handprints on them and looked

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Speaker 3: of women and children, sort of the comparative finger lengths

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Speaker 3: of females, And so they have that standard picture of

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Speaker 3: hunting and everything. But I was saying that it's more

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Speaker 3: likely that they were females and children, and the females

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Speaker 3: through time, is tell their children about the world and

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Speaker 3: tell them about animals and draw animals and things. And

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Speaker 3: I was saying that if you can draw a picture

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Speaker 3: is and if you have that idea, you can use it.

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Speaker 3: You can think in symbols, and you can not only

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Speaker 3: draw it, which you can have. Language tells you this

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Speaker 3: and so on, and that our ability to think in

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Speaker 3: symbols might be a lot more reason for our success.

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Speaker 3: And men sharpening up rocks and attacking animals.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think probably there are parts of your book

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Speaker 2: that won't make make you real popular among some males

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Speaker 2: in the society, but you make a persuasive argument in

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Speaker 2: that you know males are physically dominant, stronger, tougher. A

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Speaker 2: lot of what the drives civilization is the warlike impulses

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Speaker 2: and building bigger and better machines to dominate not only

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Speaker 2: But it's the when men are competing against other men,

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Speaker 2: it's largely to impress women. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they usually say the epic high part of evolution

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Speaker 3: is the weapon or the big fangs and all that. Well,

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Speaker 3: that's not the most importance. The animals have these big

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Speaker 3: fangs and everything to site of other males and impressed females,

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Speaker 3: but they never say what the female does and the

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Speaker 3: female probably has a lot more to do with survival

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Speaker 3: than the males do, because what's left out is what

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Speaker 3: the female does well. The males make all this big

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Speaker 3: after mating, that that's the end of the male input. Well,

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Speaker 3: the female does everything else, such as the mating, the pregnancy,

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Speaker 3: and that may take many, many, many years. And that's

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Speaker 3: why that's probably a lot more important to the survival

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Speaker 2: Back to the part about the visitors of the aliens,

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Speaker 2: you know, I guess most of us never even think

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Speaker 2: about gender or sex of aliens. The common image of aliens,

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Speaker 2: what they look like, these spindly little humanoids. It just

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Speaker 2: doesn't come up because there are no obvious gender physical

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Speaker 2: characteristics that we would associate with the gender sex.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, they don't have big muscles, and if you

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Speaker 3: look at the moldings and like Roswell, they're females and

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Speaker 3: you don't see very many of them that show male

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Speaker 2: So your guests would be that these alien civilizations wherever

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Speaker 2: they're from, that they develop in a lot of ways

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Speaker 3: Well, we're setting up to blow ourselves up, and I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we will, but they may be

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Speaker 3: emphasizing to us that we should have a more females.

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Speaker 3: Usually in mammals their cooperative, The males are fighting each other,

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Speaker 3: the females get along fine. Usually there's no wars with

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Speaker 3: females in the animal world. So they may be telling

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Speaker 3: us that we need to understand our own females and

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Speaker 3: our own evolution better than the picture we have now,

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Speaker 3: which is encouraging us to build bigger weapons and kill

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Speaker 2: That cold you share with us some of the messages

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Speaker 2: that have been conveyed to humans by them, whoever they are,

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Speaker 2: wherever they're from, that illustrate the point that you know,

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Speaker 2: we're getting these messages that are not necessarily predictions of apocalypse,

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Speaker 2: but they're warnings and sort of lessons that they hope

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Speaker 2: we will learn. What are some examples of the ones

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Speaker 2: that stand out to you that you mentioned in your book.

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Speaker 3: Well, one I mentioned in particular was Fatima and this

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Speaker 3: this man who said, who said there will be some

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Speaker 3: more experiences. Well, there were every thirteenth of the month

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Speaker 3: And their parents didn't believe them and told them they

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Speaker 3: all these religions that a male would appear. Once that

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Speaker 3: it sounded like it was like apocalypse or the end

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Speaker 3: where we're headed for. And there may be are letting

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Speaker 3: the idea that it solves all the problems may be wrong,

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Speaker 3: and maybe we should look at the other half, which

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Speaker 3: help each other out rather than the antagonistic male behavior.

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Speaker 3: And I was saying that maybe, I mean, that's a

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Speaker 3: lot of the messages that are spoken, but there's also

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Speaker 3: the messages in vision, and they're not showing big, threatening

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Speaker 3: men with weapons like we often do. When we when

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Speaker 3: more I hate to say advanced, when society was more

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Speaker 3: when the Europeans came to the New World. They have

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Speaker 2: Back to Fatima. For a second, you're saying flat out

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Speaker 2: you think that that was a UFO event, not some

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Speaker 2: spiritual religious phenomena, right.

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Speaker 3: No, I think it could be interpreted as religious or UFO,

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Speaker 3: either one or even asta. I think it's a message,

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Speaker 3: but it's given in visions and words both.

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Speaker 2: We don't know what that third message was, or do

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Speaker 2: we do you have an idea?

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Speaker 3: I well, one of the messages, this was during World

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Speaker 3: War One, and one of the messages is or would end,

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Speaker 3: but there'd be another war and then which came true.

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Speaker 3: They predicted that two of the kids would die, and

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Speaker 3: that came true. But there was a third one that

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Speaker 3: people are guessing it was the end of the world

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Speaker 3: or something, but I don't know for sure if they

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Speaker 3: know what it is.

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Speaker 2: The messages apocalyptic sort of messages from them, whoever they are.

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Speaker 2: They're not really predictions that we're going to blow ourselves up.

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Speaker 2: They're more like warnings, hey, get your act together or

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Speaker 2: else kind of a thing, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, We hope we don't boil ourselves up. And it

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Speaker 3: seemed to be pretty interested in what we do too.

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Speaker 2: Does that make you think that they live here, that

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Speaker 2: there is interested in us, but they're more interested in

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Speaker 2: maybe the planet because they're here.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think that probably we don't take their

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Speaker 3: everything in with our senses. I mean, the universe, according

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Speaker 3: to what there you go by, might be like twenty

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Speaker 3: six billion years old. Earth is only four billion years old.

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Speaker 3: There may be lots of entities in the universe, there

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Speaker 3: are nothing like us and way way beyond us, so

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Speaker 3: that we wouldn't even be able to sense them unless

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Speaker 3: they project into our minds. And so I think that

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Speaker 3: there's probably a lot more recognition of what Earth is

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Speaker 3: around the universe, and we think there is because we're

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Speaker 3: not receiving signals that we know of.

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