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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lallie. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and we are not actually in the same

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Speaker 1: I can't even see Matt. Usually I can see him

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Speaker 1: even if we're doing it via zoom, but today we're

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Speaker 1: doing a little different. I'm in Mobile, Alabama for the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, Matt is back in Pittsburgh, and lots to

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Speaker 1: talk about Matt, no doubt, starting starting off with we

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Speaker 1: got to talk about the two conference championship games yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and I saw a lot of tweets out there from

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Speaker 1: people there's no way the Steelers can compete with these

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Speaker 1: two teams. For these four teams. Are people forgetting that

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Speaker 1: the Steelers swept the Ravens this year?

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Speaker 2: No, I hear you. And a big thing I took

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Speaker 2: away from a Steeler perspective watching those two games is

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Speaker 2: are lost as opposed to.

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Speaker 1: What don't make the big mistake. It's funny. I was

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Speaker 1: just I went over to sign in today and I

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Speaker 1: ran into some other some other writers and and things

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Speaker 1: who writes for Bengals does good stuff for them, And

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Speaker 1: we were talking about that very thing. And then I

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Speaker 1: well that I know, and we were talking about that.

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Speaker 1: And and just when you're playing Patrick Mahomes in particular,

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Speaker 1: trouble because he's going to capitalize. And the same thing

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Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a conference championship game. Take points

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Speaker 1: when you can get the keets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And so Mahomes it, his greatness is obvious. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he jumps off the page with the superman stuff he

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Speaker 2: can do. But what reminds me about Brady and their

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Speaker 2: They started grabbing the golf club to firm you know

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Speaker 1: And the thing was Matt, Yeah, when you watched Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: One thing that I would always say when when I'm

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Speaker 1: And sometimes the risk is too great. Yeah, into a stadium,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't get it, I know, And I

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Speaker 2: Yes, he plays a lot, and he was productive. He's

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Speaker 1: This was They're not going to be as good next year.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. And I mentioned that graphic that I

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Drive.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lawy. He is the Matt Williamson and Matt

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Speaker 1: I sent this a little graphic to you here over

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Speaker 1: This since the year two thousand and I thought it

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Speaker 4: a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen season none, fifteenth season two, Tom Brady.

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Speaker 2: Rich Gannon that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Rich Gannon would be. I mean, I know he won

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Speaker 1: an MVP Award. Yeah, he was really good that year.

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Speaker 1: But that year sixteen season, Manning was the only one

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Speaker 1: to do it. Is eventeen season Brady, eighteen season Brady

437
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Speaker 1: and Manning nineteen is Brady, twentieth none and twenty first Brady.

438
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Speaker 1: When people talk about are this, you know, can can

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Speaker 1: whatever quarterback you want to put in a Steelers uniform,

440
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter whether it's Kenny Pickett, whether it's Mason Rudolph.

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Speaker 1: Can't compete with these with these guys, blah blah blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah. Can't go to can't go to a super

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Speaker 1: Bowl with these kind of players. I mean we just

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Speaker 1: named between Jays five.

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Speaker 2: Or six guys there. Yeah, Grossman's the worst of all

446
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Speaker 2: of them. Yeah, there's some. There's some guys who Brad

447
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Speaker 2: Johnson that stands out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, who have been career backups for the most part,

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Speaker 1: who took their teams to Super Bowl. No, there were

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Speaker 1: good defenses involved with that, oh of course. But there's

451
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Speaker 1: also catching lightning in a bottle with it with a

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Speaker 1: player in a certain year.

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Speaker 2: Without a doubt. I mean, the Steeler groups not as

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Speaker 2: good as Eli but Eli's best work was catching lightning

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Speaker 2: in a bottle. Flaco's best work was catching lightning in

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Speaker 2: a bottle. It wasn't twenty three games of excellence for

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Speaker 2: those guys when they won super Bowls. You know, they

458
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Speaker 2: got Eli Manning.

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Speaker 1: They won, they won the Super Bowl the one year

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Speaker 1: they were nine to seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good.

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Speaker 1: Point barely got into the Eli Manning. How about this

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning. I don't believe ever won a playoff game

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Speaker 1: in a year in which he didn't go to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I think that's one hundred centro eight.

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Speaker 1: Career playoff wins and they all came in two seasons.

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Speaker 2: Yep. He got really hot in two straight years with

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Speaker 2: great defenses, and it was credit great. I mean that's

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Speaker 2: hard to do as well. But it's not sustained excellence

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Speaker 2: with him either. There's a lot to unpacked here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: first of all, most quarterbacks don't play more than ten

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Speaker 2: twelve years, you know, so obviously it's going to get thinner,

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Speaker 2: and Brady's a freak and that screw some things up.

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Speaker 1: Or if they are playing at that point in their careers, they're.

476
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Speaker 2: Not what they used to be, right, Like Peyton Manning

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Speaker 2: at the end here. I mean in year eighteen, he

478
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Speaker 2: could hardly complete a pass. I mean, like he was

479
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Speaker 2: a driving the ball. That was post neck surgery. You know,

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Speaker 2: he was good from the neck up. Great for the

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Speaker 2: neck up obviously, but he was a different type of player.

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Speaker 2: But I remember when Dave put this out, I retweeted

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Speaker 2: it too, after you showed me that. I think how

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Speaker 2: he structured the tweet was here's the evidence. But pretty

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Speaker 2: soon and he's talked about Lamar, you know, the after

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Speaker 2: year six it's pretty sparse, you know, and that obviously

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Speaker 2: correlates with the salary cap era.

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Speaker 1: Like I bet it's a pretty it's really a pretty

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Speaker 1: elite group other than a couple of liars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a couple that kind of managed

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Speaker 2: the Brad Johnson route with great defenses that were up

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Speaker 2: in age. I think Gannon's like a geno Smith, you know,

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Speaker 2: who was kind of had that late season, you know, resurgence.

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Speaker 1: But I bet the comparison, you know.

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Speaker 2: Like I bet this isn't true for Staubach and Stabler

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Speaker 2: and Bradshaw in Montana because the salary captadn't kick in

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Speaker 2: for your fifth sixth year and you can't and you

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Speaker 2: start losing things, you know what I mean, Like eighth

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Speaker 2: year of Montana or Bradshaw was maybe better than your one,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean they would have been making the equivalent of

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Speaker 1: forty million dollars a year.

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Speaker 2: Had been that way, and you'd be losing stuff right right,

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Speaker 2: and you'd be losing guys right exactly exactly. So the

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Speaker 2: fact that it's you know, not the Super Bowl were

506
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Speaker 2: the salary cap era is very prepu. I think it

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Speaker 2: is a huge reflection here and again I keep bringing

508
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Speaker 2: up Lamar and Allen because they're the same draft class.

509
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Speaker 2: They're both awesome, and then the MVP candidacy, but they

510
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Speaker 2: didn't get it done, and it only gets harder.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean you could throw Herbert into that

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Speaker 1: group at this point.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna mention Herbert and Burrow, you know, just

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Speaker 2: but I.

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Speaker 1: Still gotten one though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's at least gotten there, you know. But

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Speaker 2: it's not gonna be long. I mean, I just think

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Speaker 2: they're at least a year or two younger than the others.

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Speaker 2: But no, I hear him saying, you know, but now they're.

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Speaker 1: Now they're getting paid, and it gets it gets more difficult.

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Speaker 1: You made like the first the first couple of seasons,

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Speaker 1: when those guys are getting paid, you the gms can

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Speaker 1: structure things. Yeah, yeah, so you could, you could still

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Speaker 1: have some pieces around on them.

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Speaker 2: But when those salaries, yeah, they're signing low those deals

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Speaker 2: with a massive signing bonus, so they have small contracts

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Speaker 2: that first year or two.

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Speaker 1: But then you and you also have the opportunity, as

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Speaker 1: the Steelers have done. Now with all that we talked

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Speaker 1: about this last week, with all their contracts, everybody's under

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Speaker 1: contract for this year will pick it's still cheap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Next in twenty twenty five, that changes a little bit

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Speaker 1: because they're going to make a decision on picket at

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Speaker 1: the same time they also have to make some decisions

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Speaker 1: on some other guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they.

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Speaker 1: Leave themselves more more. You know, the Steelers going into

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, assuming that they don't do a bunch

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Speaker 1: of new contracts offseason, are going to be among the

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Speaker 1: top teams in terms of salary cap space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna view are signed. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I think we'd both agree that Lamar and Allen

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Speaker 2: are better players than Hurts and Dak. But like the Cowboys,

545
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Speaker 2: and Eagles all of a sudden are going Dak's past

546
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Speaker 2: his sixth year. Hurts is banging on it too, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's that Borough class and you signed those

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Speaker 2: guys to big deals, you know, so is it going

549
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Speaker 2: to pay off? Right?

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Speaker 1: Because you know this this this is twenty now twenty

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Speaker 1: four years of history here, it's a trend.

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Speaker 2: Then. You know, funny is if if he took Brady

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Speaker 2: just off this page, Yeah, it would look crazy, and

554
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Speaker 2: I guess other people would have went if you did

555
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Speaker 2: take him off. But still true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but those guys they wouldn't be they wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: been presumably, you know, only one of those years that

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Speaker 1: Brady beat Roethlisberger in championship game. So who those guys

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Speaker 1: have been?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: I mean that that's all.

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Speaker 2: So let's look at this one other way too, Like

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Speaker 2: so if we just look at this chart of ten

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Speaker 2: seasons or more, Yeah, Peyton Manning's on there three times,

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Speaker 2: Brady's on there a bunch, but then there's just a

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Speaker 2: random outlier here and there you know, there's a war

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Speaker 2: who had gotten there, Yeah, Stafford who had never gone

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Speaker 2: Stafford with his second team, and the other one was

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Speaker 2: somebody goof Agannet right, who was? He came in with

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Speaker 2: the Vikings and was all over the place. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they were I don't want to say their journeyman, because

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Speaker 2: Warner and Stafford are hall of famers slash borderline hall

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Speaker 2: of famers. But it wasn't like Stafford, the first round

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Speaker 2: pick with the Lions, grinding and grinded and eventually got

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Speaker 2: his team to the Super Bowl in the year ten

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Speaker 2: with Detroit. He got traded to a good team, you know, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, so besides.

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Speaker 1: The deal that included Jared Goff, who also led said

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Speaker 1: team to the super Bowl, which kind of shows you

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Speaker 1: that was a good football team.

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Speaker 2: And if maybe a couple of bounces ago different yesterday,

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Speaker 2: he'd be on this list, you know, right now?

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Speaker 1: Right yeah, So, I mean, I mean that's a good

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Speaker 1: point by as well by you. I mean, in both

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Speaker 1: of those games, a bounce here or there, mm hmm,

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Speaker 1: they were both one score games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, if if if Zay Flowers doesn't fumble going

589
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Speaker 1: into the end zone, maybe Baltimore was a football game.

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Speaker 2: Or if he gets in then fumbles. You know, if

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Speaker 2: it's two feet difference, I mean, it's game inches.

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Speaker 1: Two inches difference.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. It was super close and didn't have it.

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Speaker 1: It goes back to what we talked about last week,

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Speaker 1: that how difficult it is to win those kind of games,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're facing one of these quarterbacks who do

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Speaker 1: it a bunch. There's a you know, there's is Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady the most physically talented quarterback to ever play the game,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: Not even close.

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Speaker 1: But he he needed all the plays that he didn't

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Speaker 1: to make in those big games. Same thing with Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean you could you could go find a bunch

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Speaker 1: of those same you know, Peyton Manning won that eighteenth season.

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Speaker 1: He was a shadow of himself, but he beat the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: had them beat out there in Denver that year and

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Speaker 1: Manning all we needed was drive and he and he

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Speaker 1: made that one drive.

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Speaker 2: And he makes the play. I mean, just like Ben

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Speaker 2: at the end of the Super Bowl hitting Santonio. And

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Speaker 2: you know it's when timing has a ton to do

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Speaker 2: with it. And the game of inches. Stuff is not

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Speaker 2: a cliche. I mean it's very very true. And usually

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Speaker 2: the calmer coaching staff quarterbacks prevail, and we saw that

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Speaker 2: this past weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I just thought that that was interesting

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Speaker 1: and now we've added two more names to that chart.

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Speaker 1: And uh again, both of those guys under ten years

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Speaker 1: in the league. And you you know, you start to

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Speaker 1: wonder about you know, there there's there's some people out

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Speaker 1: there the field you should you know, change out your

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Speaker 1: quarterback every five years or six years or whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: There's shootings. I would have sorry, two things I would

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Speaker 2: add the last segment that we didn't that unfortunately will

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Speaker 2: be lost because they lost. I thought Golf played a

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Speaker 2: very good game, you know, start to finish by no means,

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Speaker 2: was he ever the problem? And hey, the Ravens D

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Speaker 2: was awesome in this game. You know they allowed what

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Speaker 2: three points in the second half and how many total

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Speaker 2: to the Chiefs Like Ravens D did their job. And

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Speaker 2: that's a tough one to swallow if you're on that

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Speaker 2: side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it's you know, it just goes to

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Speaker 1: show you. I mean, yeah, you need the defense, but

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Speaker 1: you also need the quarterback to play well. He can't

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Speaker 1: make and he can't make the mistakes. Uh. Steelers president

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Speaker 1: Art Rooney spoke to the media today. A LEA had

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Speaker 1: to miss that, but I do have the transcript of

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Speaker 1: what was said. I thought we'd talk about some of

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Speaker 1: these points here. Where will we come back? He is

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Speaker 1: Williams Dale Lallie. You're listening to the Driver on Steelers Radio.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about what Art had to say right after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lalli. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: and Matt. As I mentioned before the break, Steelers President

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Speaker 1: Art Rooney the Second had his meet, his season wrap

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Speaker 1: up meeting with the media today, and while I couldn't

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Speaker 1: be there, I did get a transcript sent to me

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Speaker 1: of what he had to say. Bob Labriola covered that

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Speaker 1: today for Steelers dot Com, so you can check out

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Speaker 1: Steelers dot com to see what Art had to say.

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Speaker 1: But some of the highlights from this. He said that

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Speaker 1: the Steelers still feel good about Kenny Pickett in his

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Speaker 1: future and this is the quote here. He needs to

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Speaker 1: work hard to take the next step. We talked about

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Speaker 1: that one thing. One of the things we like about

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Speaker 1: Kenny in terms of his career was how hard he worked,

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Speaker 1: and he took a step every year year. We're looking

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Speaker 1: for that to happen here. But then he also said

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Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph came in and showed I think that that

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Speaker 1: we're capable of what we're capable of when we do

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Speaker 1: get quality quarterback or quality play at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate what Mason did. We're interested in bringing him back.

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Speaker 2: Here. Yeah, yeah, that you.

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Speaker 1: Know, they felt that they got quality quarterback play out

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Speaker 1: of Mason Rudolph and and what they were capable of

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Speaker 1: when they did when they did get quality quarterback play. Again,

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Speaker 1: you look at that. Can't stress this enough. When the

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Speaker 1: schedule came out, that three game stretch, those final three

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Speaker 1: games were three that everybody looked at and said, well, hey,

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Speaker 1: they better had that. They hey better be in the

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Speaker 1: barn because those three games are going to be really difficult. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals didn't have Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course, but you still.

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Speaker 1: Had to go to Seattle and you had to go

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Speaker 1: to Baltimore. And I don't care who was playing for

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Speaker 1: the Ravens and who wasn't playing for.

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Speaker 2: The Raves, it does matter. I mean they Lamar didn't play,

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Speaker 2: but I mean it still wasn't That's fine. It wasn't

679
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Speaker 2: like a shell himself, but you're.

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Speaker 1: Still show yeah yeah, and you be a quality Seahawks team. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and basically kept them kept them from making the.

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Speaker 2: Playoffs, and we spelled this out no matter who the

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Speaker 2: opponent is, I mean Rudolph's numbers or even more importantly,

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Speaker 2: what the offense did statistically with quote quality quarterback play

685
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Speaker 2: was really really high level. I mean it wasn't far

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Speaker 2: off the parties and allens of the world in terms

687
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Speaker 2: of stats, you know, and efficiency in those things. You know.

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Speaker 2: So I have a problem. I wasn't fighting you on

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Speaker 2: Lamar not playing or Borough or whatever, because many people

690
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Speaker 2: have come up to me like, yeah, you know, Steels

691
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Speaker 2: won ten games, but look at the quarterbacks they played.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, who played every healthy quarterback from opening day?

693
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Speaker 2: All year? I mean like half the league played two, three,

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Speaker 2: four quarterbacks. You can't tell me that the Niners, the Ravens,

695
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Speaker 2: any good team you face all only played the number ones.

696
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Speaker 2: You know, like anyone who played in the Jets didn't

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Speaker 2: get Rogers, you know, right, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, other than the Bills in the opener, and the

699
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Speaker 1: Bills only got him for four plays. I still lost

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Speaker 1: that game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, so don't tell me like we got Zach Wilson,

702
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Speaker 2: you know, like so did every fifth you know, every

703
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Speaker 2: other team to play the Jets and That's just one

704
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Speaker 2: example the Browns. I mean, nobody got Watson or you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know it, it balances out you play

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Speaker 1: who you play, That's what I'm saying. Yeah. He also

707
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Speaker 1: said that that he said it talked about the offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator hiring and said they're gonna have some changes obviously

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Speaker 1: on the offensive side of things. He said, on the

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Speaker 1: defensive side, I don't want to make excuses, but we

711
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Speaker 1: got hit hard with a rash of injuries that at

712
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Speaker 1: times was difficult to overcome. All things considered, I thought

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Speaker 1: our coaches did a good job of plugging in guys

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Speaker 1: who needed a program to figure out who they were

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. Sometimes a little crazy on that side sometimes,

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Speaker 1: he said, But the bottom line is we have a

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Speaker 1: solid core group of players on the defensive side that

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Speaker 1: we can build on and win with.

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Speaker 2: I think that's well said as well, and I agree

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Speaker 2: with it. You know that cluster injuries are really really

721
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Speaker 2: hard to deal with, and you know, short last year

722
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Speaker 2: they you know, twenty twenty two, there was a long

723
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Speaker 2: stretch that they didn't have their best player on defense

724
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Speaker 2: what or you know, maybe the best defensive player in

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Speaker 2: the league, and that was really hard to overcome too.

726
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Speaker 2: But the fact that you're getting the Rows and Walkers

727
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Speaker 2: of the world ready and they didn't embarrass themselves with

728
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Speaker 2: hardly any notice, I think speaks really well to the

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Speaker 2: coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He also has asked several questions about Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: including you know, he said he was asked if he

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Speaker 1: has seen a change in Mike Tomlin in his resolve

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Speaker 1: and he said, not sure, I'd say a change. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: there's a resolve there, a determination there. I think I

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Speaker 1: said before, all of us have been around this for

736
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Speaker 1: a little while and are anxious to take the next step.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting a little or getting a little impatient. We

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Speaker 1: need to see the kind of improvement we all want

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Speaker 1: to see, including Mike believe firmly believes that as firmly

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Speaker 1: as anyone else in the building. And he was asked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, not making the playoffs, you know, in the

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Speaker 1: past seven season. He said, look, that's that's not you know,

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Speaker 1: that's not something that we're you know, we want to happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we want to make the playoffs. We want to see

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Speaker 1: progression here. And he was asked, you know, given the

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Speaker 1: playoff drought, why is Tomlin the right guy to lead

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Speaker 1: your organization, and he said, quote, I think players still

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Speaker 1: respond to Mike. That's number one. He still has the

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Speaker 1: key characteristics that we saw when we hired him. He

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Speaker 1: can keep the attention of a group of twenty year

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Speaker 1: olds for a whole season, keep them in the fight

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Speaker 1: the whole way. Still feel good about Mike, Obviously, if

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Speaker 1: I did, we'd make the change. If I didn't think

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Speaker 1: if I think, here's what I was sorry. If I

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Speaker 1: think Mike wasn't able to lead us to a championship,

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't be here. That's why he's here.

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Speaker 2: That's right. But I wasn't at the press conference, and

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Speaker 2: nor were you. And we're reading a tough piece of paper.

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Speaker 2: But I think I, by no means am I saying

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Speaker 2: he's not happy with Tomlin. That's not what I mean

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Speaker 2: at all. But I do think there's a the way

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Speaker 2: that he phrases his words, which he does so well,

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Speaker 2: is but we're not These results aren't good enough, you know,

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Speaker 2: and we know how this business is. You know. I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying Tomlin's seed is hot. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: break news here or anything like that. But I think

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Speaker 2: it's pretty clear by the way that was phrased that, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I still think he can get us a super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I still think he has the respect and admiration of

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Speaker 2: his team. But I'm also very aware of the results

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Speaker 2: lately too, and that's not going to cut it, you know.

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Speaker 1: Right right, But he still thinks that Tomlin is a

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Speaker 1: guy who can lead this team to a super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And I think when you look at the results in

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Speaker 1: those final three games, there were a lot of people

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Speaker 1: out there they're gonna lose all three. You know, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna have six game losing streak the end of season.

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Speaker 1: And I think if that had been the case, maybe

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Speaker 1: you're having a different conversation right now.

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Speaker 2: But they didn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they didn't because they stayed focused, they stayed

782
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Speaker 1: in the fight. And I'll be honest with you, I

783
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Speaker 1: think Tomlin does some of his best work in those

784
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Speaker 1: kind of situations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's one of his best strengths, to

786
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Speaker 2: be honest with you, everything.

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Speaker 1: When you're down to your sixth inside linebacker and you

788
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Speaker 1: know things are getting a little crazy, he finds ways

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Speaker 1: to win those games that quite frankly, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if a lot of coaches can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, after an ugly three game losing streak when the

792
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Speaker 2: whole world is turning on you and you've got to

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Speaker 2: galvanize your team. And no, I think he does that

794
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Speaker 2: as well as anyone I can remember, you know, to

795
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Speaker 2: be very honest with you, you know, we opened the show,

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Speaker 2: you know, talking about not losing games. I think Tomlin's

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Speaker 2: great at that. I think his communication with his team

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Speaker 2: is very very strong as well. And I meant to

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Speaker 2: I forget where I heard this. I think it was

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Speaker 2: Robert Mays from The Athletic who does a tour of

801
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Speaker 2: camp and really gets behind the scenes with people and

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Speaker 2: knows a lot of people in the organizations. And he

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Speaker 2: said recently on his podcast, if it was a Robert,

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Speaker 2: I apologize, I'll dig it up. But he was talking

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Speaker 2: to some coaches randomly around the league, not in Latrobe,

806
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: not in Pittsburgh, like when he was in Chicago, in

807
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 2: la and blah blah blah blah, and Tomlin's name consistently

808
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: came up, as he might know more football than anybody

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Speaker 2: in the league that besides Belichick. You mean, like what

810
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Speaker 2: the gunner should do on this, what the third guy

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Speaker 2: on the kickoff return team should do? You know, like

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Speaker 2: the real football stuff, kind of like Chuck Nole to

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Speaker 2: be honest with you, you know, like, yeah, Wolf or

814
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: any of those guys will tell you Noel could coach

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Speaker 2: any position group probably better than our position coach. You know.

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Speaker 2: Like that stuff's really impressive, you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I mean you see him do it

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Speaker 1: on a regular basis. That's why, you know when when

819
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Speaker 1: when people come out, well he's a cheerleader coach. You

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Speaker 1: haven't seen practice, you have no idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's he's up, Bear Bryant, up on the stand,

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Speaker 2: you know, watching from above and taking notes or whatever.

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Speaker 2: He's not.

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Speaker 1: Getting everybody together and you know, having raw ross speeches

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Speaker 1: and that. No, it's not it's not what's happening.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean he's not just clapping on the sidelines. No,

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Speaker 2: I mean he's digging in there and coaching dudes up.

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Speaker 1: Now. He was asked specifically. He said the question was

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Speaker 1: a number of guys that have connections or ties to

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan that coaching tree. What is

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Speaker 1: desirable about having people with that type of experience, And

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00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: he says it's a successful system, no two ways about it.

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Speaker 1: Those guys have had a lot of success. The approach

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Speaker 1: to offensive football has been pretty impressive. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to say we're only going to talk to people that

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Speaker 1: come off of that tree, but it's certainly worth talking

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Speaker 1: to those guys.

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Speaker 2: So we don't have any more real news on offensive coordinators.

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Speaker 1: Well, since since we last had our dear last show,

840
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Speaker 1: Arthur Smith, the fore coach at the Falcons and former

841
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator for the Tennessee Titans, has interviewed for the job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we can talk about that or next segment

843
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: or whatever. I think he's a would be a pretty

844
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: strong hire. I know people aren't super excited about it

845
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: because he didn't use Bijon enough for their fantasy team,

846
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Speaker 2: but that's not what we're doing here. But my favorite

847
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 2: thing about the coaching search thus far are the avenues

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Speaker 2: they went down, not even necessarily the names, but the

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00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: teams that they're exploring and prodding. And you know, it's

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Speaker 2: not just oh, he was a Steeler, we're going to

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Speaker 2: bring him back. We know them. I mean, it's uncovering

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00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: new avenues and realize. I mean, if it seems to

853
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Speaker 2: me that they've kind of realized the error in their

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00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: ways in the last couple of years that there's a

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Speaker 2: better way to play offense now and we need to

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Speaker 2: get back to that, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, talk to some different people and

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00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: they'll give you again more insight into your personnel. I

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00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: don't think the personality regardless of who the new offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator will be, and it probably won't, it won't happen

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Speaker 1: this week because everybody's down here. It's seniorable. But whoever

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Speaker 1: that person may be, the Steelers have a certain mentality

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Speaker 1: and and it bears out by what they have on

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Speaker 1: their roster of how they want to play football. And

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Speaker 1: it's going to be up to whoever that new offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator might be to meld what they do to the personnel,

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Speaker 1: not the other way around.

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Speaker 2: Not the other way around. Right right, We're gonna put

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Speaker 2: Bill Walsh's system in and now we need to go

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Speaker 2: get Montana and Rice and blah blah blah, you know, right,

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Speaker 2: which is the best way to do it? I mean

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Speaker 2: it needs to be a combination of my ideas from

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Speaker 2: my rams or Texans or whatever, meshed with nausey pickets,

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Speaker 2: maybe another quarterback who knows Pickens, Friarmouth, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, right, Uh, let's get to another break.

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Speaker 1: That's going to do it for hour number one of

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Speaker 1: the drive. We'll be back with our number two. He

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Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly live in Mobile, Alabama.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with the second hour of the drive

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Speaker 1: right after this