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Speaker 1: This is Matt Barnes. You're listening to All the Smoke

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Speaker 2: So listen.

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Speaker 3: We got to rule it All the Smoke. It's a

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Speaker 3: little different than other shows. Jack, what you're drinking? Bite

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Speaker 3: them in water? Make sure there ain't no vodka in there.

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Speaker 3: So we got some different rules here. So if your

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Speaker 3: phone goes off, Jack, what they gotta do?

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Speaker 2: You have to do cushups?

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Speaker 4: My brother, please explain to them what cushows.

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Speaker 2: A cush up is.

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Speaker 3: You have to put a joint in your mouth and

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Speaker 3: do ten push ups with it. In hell, exit in hell,

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Speaker 3: ex heal. So we tell everyone that just to make

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Speaker 3: sure you turn your phones off.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we want to make sure we have a great

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Speaker 2: trust me. We don't run out of tree.

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Speaker 3: About a whole backpack for you. So we're gonna make

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Speaker 3: sure if you don't smoke, and make sure your phone

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Speaker 3: no go off because you're gonna have to smoke, all right,

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Speaker 3: So we here man Man closing out twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: It's been a obviously, I'm sure you guys see, my

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Speaker 3: brother Jack lost his youngest brother, Snap Marley, so this

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Speaker 3: show is dedicated to him. We want to make sure

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Speaker 3: we continue to wrap Jack. Jack's one of the most

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Speaker 3: loving people I've ever met. Jack and I started playing

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Speaker 3: together in two thousand and seven, made NBA history, the

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Speaker 3: first number eight seed to beat in the Mavericks, the

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Speaker 3: number one seed at the time. The following the very

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Speaker 3: beginning of the following season, my mom died from cancer

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Speaker 3: within twenty six days, and Jack was the one person

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Speaker 3: daily that was calling me, come to smoke with me,

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Speaker 3: bringing me food, checking on me. So for then we

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Speaker 3: built a brotherhood that will never be broken. And I

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Speaker 3: just want everyone to make sure they send their love

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Speaker 3: now obviously going through a hard time. And I appreciate

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Speaker 3: you making your way out here.

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Speaker 4: To Something's interview. M m.

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Speaker 3: Man. I don't really think he needs an introduction. I mean,

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Speaker 3: what can we say about this guy. I mean, legendary

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Speaker 3: basketball player, legendary businessman, a leader, a pillar in the community,

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Speaker 3: someone that made a lot of us fall in love

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Speaker 3: with basketball at a young age. You know, Magic was

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Speaker 4: The only reason I bought Converse, really yeah, I feel

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Speaker 3: Purple gold right, I feel you, he said, the only reason.

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Speaker 3: But again, let's welcome to the show. Magic Johnson.

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Speaker 4: I'm a stand up I'm stand up, stand up, understand up,

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Speaker 4: I under stand up.

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Speaker 3: So Magic, first and foremost, thank you, because I know

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Speaker 3: to give us one of your evenings. We definitely appreciate

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Speaker 3: you for coming out tonight.

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Speaker 5: Now I want to congratulate both of you on your show.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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Speaker 5: And also, you know, my prayers go out to you, brother,

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Speaker 5: and I'm so proud of both of you, you know,

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Speaker 5: for where you're taking your brand. This show is amazing.

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Speaker 5: And have two black men up here doing their thing,

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Speaker 5: and then have me sitting here.

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Speaker 2: Come on, it's a blessing.

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Speaker 3: And then DJ in the building. We couldn't make it

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Speaker 3: more la for you guys. I got Madge Johnson and

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Speaker 3: the night. Man because We're really excited. How's life day

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Speaker 3: to day? What's going on with you right now? Everything

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Speaker 3: is going good. I mean, you know, close out the

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Speaker 3: year strong. We had an unbelievable year as far as

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Speaker 3: The wife is good, the kids are good. So it's

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Speaker 3: been truly a blessing. All right, Magic, I'm gonna cut

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Speaker 2: This year? We see magical and the everybody magic is shoot.

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Speaker 3: Jumpers on his yachtlesk and Wayne's going on walks on

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Speaker 2: So you got right to it.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna play with your magic. We're gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 3: So so Lebron is in a unique situation.

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Speaker 3: He just passed you on the all time assist lead

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Speaker 2: Lot of you. He's got a lot.

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Speaker 3: pass you in the assist lead? And although we'll talk

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the key. Right. He's been doing

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Speaker 5: Years old and at a high level, and still even today,

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Speaker 5: still playing at that high level. But what I really

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Speaker 5: love about Lebron is his basketball IQ and the fact

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Speaker 5: that he makes his teammates better, right, and he puts

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Speaker 5: and then rebounding as well. And he's always been committed

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Speaker 5: impact will be felt long after he's gone.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: It's only a few guys who have played this game

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Speaker 5: and Lebron would be one of those guys. And so

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Speaker 5: I'm proud of him because also too. He's built not

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Speaker 2: And so, and he always lend his voice.

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Speaker 5: Especially to causes that affect whether it's athletes or the

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Speaker 4: You gotta respect that most guys that's the face of

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Speaker 5: He wants to know they always worry about their brand,

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Speaker 5: And so he's never been affected by those things.

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Speaker 3: Front Office twenty seventeen nine. Team, you stepped away, obviously,

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Speaker 3: had a few regrets about the way you left. Can

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Speaker 3: you speak to those regrets and what they were?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Matt, you know I had convinced Lebron to sign

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Speaker 5: with the Lakers had a great conversation.

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Speaker 2: How did you do that? Though?

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Speaker 3: So what's the secret?

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Speaker 2: Especially after we were losing?

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Speaker 5: Right when I took over the Lakers, I said, in

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Speaker 5: We were well over the salary cap. So I had

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Speaker 5: that meeting with him and Rich Paul here in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 5: I knew what he wanted, right.

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Speaker 2: I knew he wanted to win number one, but number two.

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Speaker 5: I knew los Angeles he could live and live free,

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Speaker 5: But also too, he's going to build a billion dollar

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Speaker 5: out here, and he bought into it. I said, these

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go after At that time, I thought it

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Speaker 5: The next year, nobody knew that Anthony Davis was going

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Speaker 2: And then we.

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Speaker 3: Often because I heard it really came down to the wire.

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Speaker 3: You guys literally almost had Kawhi.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I would have had Kawhi. I would have to

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Speaker 5: look when I come in, was a deal?

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Speaker 2: Come on, man, it's.

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Speaker 3: It's magic.

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Speaker 5: Listen, man, I do my homework, my research. So when

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Speaker 5: to you, right And so I knew what Lebron wanted.

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Speaker 2: I laid it out to him. He bought into it.

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Speaker 5: I would have known what Kawhi wanted. I would have

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Speaker 3: And can you imagine can you imagine Lebron, A d

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Speaker 2: That's like cut it out.

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Speaker 4: Understanding him giving a pitch to come this team him.

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Speaker 3: That's I'm talking to magic. I'm just signing, like I

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Speaker 4: I'm in let me get some of that business with you,

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Speaker 4: and I signed anything. Lansing, Michigan, six siblings.

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Speaker 2: I know what it's like.

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Speaker 4: Having mother and father work hard jobs just to just

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Speaker 4: So because you know that, because you know they say

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Speaker 2: And to do it for thirty years, right.

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Speaker 5: So my mother worked for the school cafeteria, so you

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Speaker 5: know they stressed education. You know, they told me, listen,

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Speaker 5: but I want you to be smart, right, So you

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Speaker 5: you can't pluck. So I made sure that I applied

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Speaker 5: But I tell you what he did to me, man,

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Speaker 2: Black men now know they can do what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: A lot of stuff changed too. When we were able

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Speaker 4: Basketball player, we would felt like we would you know

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Speaker 2: So that's a testament to you. Thank you, because a

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Speaker 4: Go through nothing and can't pay a bill. You making

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Speaker 4: So but not only that, when we got guys like

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Speaker 5: So I had to prove to them that I did

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Speaker 2: Of meetings I took.

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Speaker 5: They were in there snickering and laughing because they knew

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Speaker 2: So I made it happen.

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Speaker 5: And now we do know that we can be successful

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Speaker 5: that's why I love this is first class. Everything you're

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Speaker 3: Y'all give yourself a random plug legends some time back

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Speaker 4: So winning, winning has always been a part of your DNA.

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Speaker 5: I got I jumped up, said oh, I think that's good.

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Speaker 5: That's right to this day still the most watched. And

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Speaker 5: tournament together. This is the first time I ever sat

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00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 5: on the bench. Him and I were on the bench

445
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 5: and we were like, the guys in front of us

446
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 5: wasn't better than us. But Kentucky head coach was coaching

447
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 5: the team, so he started three guys from Kentucky stealth.

448
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 5: But when we got in the game, we turned it out.

449
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 5: But I saw this dude eat Jack Givings up.

450
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: He was player of the year that year Kentucky.

451
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 5: Yes from Kentucky, and Larry Bird was just slicing them,

452
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 5: dicing them.

453
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: And I said, I called home.

454
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 5: I said, it's true about this boy.

455
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: Dude can play.

456
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 5: So that was my first time seeing him, and then

457
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 5: to be out on the court with him in college

458
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 5: for that national championship game. And then of course what

459
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 5: happened in the NBA. But I would say that we

460
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 5: got a chance to change the league. You know what,

461
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 5: what a blessing it was. He ended up in Boston,

462
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 5: and then I ended up out here. My personality was

463
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 5: La Hollywood. His personality was Boston and it worked for

464
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 5: the whole league, you know.

465
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 2: So everything was good.

466
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 3: So number one overall, picking the seventy ninth draft to

467
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 3: the Lakers. So you spend your first twenty years in

468
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: Michigan and then you come out here outside of basketball, like,

469
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 3: talk to us about La and was it a culture shock?

470
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: What kind of what was it? When you I mean,

471
00:23:51,800 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: look at he's sliding. It was definitely a shock. Trust me.

472
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 5: First of all, I was scared to death coming out here.

473
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 5: I stayed in my apartment.

474
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: For the first two years because.

475
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 5: I've come from a small town, and so my first

476
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 5: two years I concentrated on really letting people know that

477
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 5: my game was real, because listen, it's hard to come

478
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 5: to a city like Los Angeles, and all the pressure

479
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 5: was already on me because we had won the championship.

480
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 5: I'm the number one pick, so I gotta I gotta

481
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 5: make sure I proved to everybody that I belong in

482
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 5: the NBA. So I concentrated on that first. Then after

483
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 5: I made my name, then I said, Okay, it's club

484
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 5: time now, and listen to listen man running with doctor

485
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 5: Buss different and the play playmates and all that.

486
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: It's a different life. I'm gonna tell you something.

487
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 3: We're starting to sweat.

488
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 4: Up and let me say, remember when we played in

489
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 4: the old Forum with Don Nelson. Yeah, we walked through

490
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 4: the halls of Don Nelson say, well, if these walls guitar, if.

491
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 5: These god man that Forum club, it would never be

492
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 5: nothing like that ever.

493
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: Again.

494
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was before a cell phone media. We do

495
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff because nobody would.

496
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 5: But we had a good time. We had a good time,

497
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 5: and uh, I enjoyed myself. But I would say this

498
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 5: focused first on winning. We were able to accomplish that,

499
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 5: and then we partied after that.

500
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 2: So but it was a great time. I'm glad I

501
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: ended up here. It's been a beautiful, beautiful relationship. Magic

502
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: in LA and go together. It's anonymous.

503
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, anonymous your rookie year. Go to the finals first,

504
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: doctor J. You're able to beat them finals MVP as

505
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: a rookie.

506
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: But before we get.

507
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: To the final center, before we get to that final experience,

508
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 3: doctor J, is someon when you looked up to I

509
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: heard in college he kind of rolled out the red

510
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: carpet to you explain that story about doctor J.

511
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

512
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 5: So I was leaving school and I called him up

513
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 5: and so he said hey.

514
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: I said, hey, what is it like leaving? You left?

515
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 5: So I want you to tell me what it's like

516
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 5: for me to leave Michigan State early. And so he

517
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 5: was explaining to me on the phone, and then he said,

518
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do you one better fly out to Philly

519
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 5: and hang out with me for the weekend.

520
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 2: I said, what, no, Doc, that's the doc.

521
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 5: This is doctor saying a young fellow can come hang

522
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 5: with him. And he put me up at his crib

523
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 5: at the big mansion a limo and a brother was like, oh, show,

524
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 5: I'm calling everybody.

525
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: I'm with doctor J at his house. And so you know,

526
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there, living in the living room.

527
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 5: And he's talking to me and I'm just zoning out,

528
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 5: like I can't even believe it. I've always had docs on,

529
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 5: So now I'm with him. Oh it was crazy, man.

530
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 5: So we hung out the whole weekend. Wife took great

531
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 5: care of me as well. Or went to a couple

532
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 5: of playoff games he was in the playoffs. He gave

533
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 5: me some great advice and then here is seven months later,

534
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 5: I'm playing the brother in the NBA finals, my idol,

535
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 5: I'm playing him in the NBA Finals, and so we

536
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 5: so I said, man, I love you, but I gotta

537
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 5: take him out too, and take him out choice. When

538
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 5: he came down that middle, I mean on that right

539
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 5: side and cuffed that ball on the cool made a

540
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 5: bad business, remember.

541
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: Damn, I said, oh oh man.

542
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 5: And then the other one was he came down the

543
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 5: right side and he jumped out of bounds and he

544
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 5: started walking.

545
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: The finger roll yeah, in the air, and the fro.

546
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 5: Fro going back, bunting against the glasses.

547
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: Good.

548
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: I said, man, this dude is too much. Man. See

549
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 2: he was doing that George Shep before Michael. People forget that. Yeah,

550
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: he was the first dude walking in the air. Oh man.

551
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 5: It was so much fun playing against Die and that

552
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 5: we won.

553
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: But talk about talk about yourself a little bit because

554
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: Kareem went down. You're a rookie twenty years old years

555
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: in the NBA finals, the only first, the only rookie

556
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: to ever win finals, MVP. Talk to these people that

557
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: didn't follow the game back then and what it was

558
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: like and the numbers you put up.

559
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 4: Slid to the center though center from point go out

560
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 4: to center.

561
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: Well you know again, man, I So he gets Kareem

562
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 5: gets hurts it in game five and so I get

563
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 5: to the airport. Everybody head is down because Kareem can't play.

564
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 5: I said, so what Kareem can't play, We're still gonna win,

565
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 5: right And they looked at me like rookie, go sit down.

566
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 5: We can't beat Philadelphia without Kareem.

567
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: I said, man, we're gonna win this game, and they

568
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: was like, we can't do it. Irvan, I said, so

569
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: I gotta do something, Matt, I said, I got to

570
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 2: do something and get these guys going.

571
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 5: So Kareem would always sit in one A that was

572
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 5: his seat. So I asked a flight attendant could I

573
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 5: go on the plane first. So I went and sat

574
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 5: in Kareem seat, and as every Laker came by, I said,

575
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 5: never fear magic is me.

576
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: They were like this do it is crazy? So they laugh.

577
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 5: So I had five hours all the way flight from

578
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 5: LA to Philadelphia to work on that mindset and attitude.

579
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: Because ladies and gentlemen, if you don't think you're gonna win,

580
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm alry not gonna win. Over it's over.

581
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 5: So I told him, Man, we're gonna win this game.

582
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 5: And so I told the coach I'm gonna play center.

583
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 5: He was like, he was like, he looked at me.

584
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, have you ever played center? I said, yeah,

585
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: I played center in high school. He said, man, that

586
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: was two or three years ago.

587
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 5: I said, I'm gonna play center tomorrow against Codwell Jones.

588
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 5: So long story short, you know, I scored forty two points,

589
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 5: fifteen rebound, seven assistsound, winning the game, and it was

590
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 5: a blessing to him. To be named NBA Most Vava

591
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 5: Player the Finals was a true blessing.

592
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: But to win the game, yes, again, first and foremost.

593
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: All the other stuff don't matter, right, just win the game.

594
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 5: So we won the championship. So that was my first one.

595
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 5: And then I became the third guy ever in NBA

596
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 5: history college come out of college.

597
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: That's right, to go back to back.

598
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 5: So it's a bit a blessing, a lot of history.

599
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: Talk to us about you're in Cream's relationship at the beginning,

600
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: because obviously the energy you carry, he was more reserved,

601
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: quiet to himself. I remember he hit the game winner

602
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: and you jumped on him and he got mad. But

603
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: talk to us because you came and brought a different

604
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: energy to this team, high fiving and out there about it.

605
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: How long did it take Cream to adjust to what

606
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 3: you were selling?

607
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it took him all season that first year. First

608
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 5: of all, they thought I was coming in to take

609
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 5: over the team, and I told him on first day

610
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 5: at training camp, I said, listen, man, I'm here.

611
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: To help you.

612
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 5: I said, where do you like the ball? He said

613
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 5: what I said, what do you like the ball? I said,

614
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 5: you like it high? You like it in the middle

615
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 5: of your chest.

616
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: You like it low?

617
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 5: He said, no, I like it high. I said, that's

618
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 5: where it'll be every single time. I said, I'm here

619
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 5: to help you be more successful. So that first game,

620
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 5: he hits a sky hook from the free throw line,

621
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 5: now not from down low, from the free throw line

622
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 5: to win the game in San Diego. So I go running,

623
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 5: I jump and I'm hold choking them and hugging them.

624
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 5: And I didn't let go for about two or three

625
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 5: minutes because I've never seen a shot like that game

626
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 5: when a shot like that. So he got me to

627
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 5: the locker room.

628
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: Rookie, come here, don't ever do that. We have eighty

629
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: one more games to go.

630
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 5: We can't be this high after game one, so all

631
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 5: the players now are looking So now I gotta make

632
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 5: a noncision.

633
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: That's right.

634
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 5: So everybody's looking at me in the locker room, like

635
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 5: what you're gonna do, rookie. So I turned around, said,

636
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 5: you hit a shot like that eighty.

637
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: One more time. You know he's taller than me. I'm

638
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: gonna jump in your arms eighty one more time.

639
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 5: And that showed him that I wasn't gonna change. You

640
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 5: can't intimidate me, and I wasn't gonna change be who

641
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 5: I am while I let you.

642
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: Be who you are. So them first fifty games, you know,

643
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: all the other fellas we high five and chest.

644
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 5: Bump and we having fun. He would score just one down.

645
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: We scored each other about the right.

646
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 5: When the playoffs started, he did a hard dunk on somebody,

647
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 5: so he came out looking for somebody.

648
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: He wanted.

649
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 5: We were like, oh, So it was a beautiful thing

650
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 5: man to see him enjoy hisself. So what did he

651
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 5: say to me? Just recently had to we had to

652
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 5: showtime reunion in Hawaii? He said, Irvan, you showed me

653
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 5: that I could show my emotion and.

654
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: Enjoy it the game. You changed me. So that was

655
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. Man.

656
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: So two titles in three years, pat Riley at the Helm,

657
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: you faced bird three out of four years right there

658
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: in the finals. Talk to us about that, and then

659
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 3: a double ended question, where did the phrase showtime come from?

660
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: So first two, two titles and three years.

661
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were you know, the Lakers.

662
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 5: I tell you it was just beautiful because we had

663
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 5: everything we needed. You know, when you think about we

664
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 5: had Norm Nixon was the other guard. Jamal Wilkes was

665
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 5: a small forward my first year. Jim Chones was a

666
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 5: power forward with Kareem at center. That unit was, man,

667
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 5: just fantastic.

668
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: When we won that.

669
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 5: Second one, here come James Worthy coming in, it.

670
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: Was just beautiful. We all played our role.

671
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 5: Michael Cooper was such a big played a big role

672
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 5: in US winning because Coop could have started for any

673
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 5: team in the league, could have started for any team,

674
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 5: and he decided that six man row was great for

675
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 5: him and he would shut everybody's whoever the high score

676
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 5: was on the opponent's team, he would take him and

677
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 5: really shut him down.

678
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: So, uh, we just played so well together and.

679
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 5: We were running and so showtime came in because man

680
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 5: I was coming down that fast breakdown and man, I

681
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 5: get the no looking left right, throwing it between my legs,

682
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 5: behind my back.

683
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: And then you know the brothers Byron Duncan, James Duncan,

684
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: Kareem Duncan, and.

685
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 5: The people would just go crazy because I told him,

686
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 5: I said, listen, when I give it to you, I

687
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 5: did my part.

688
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: I got them up out their seats.

689
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: See, I got them up out their seat.

690
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: Now you gotta do the rest.

691
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 5: Now, if you don't do the rest, I ain't gonna

692
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 5: give it to you.

693
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: No.

694
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 5: So them brother said, we got it. We got it

695
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 5: Ard that you used to call me buck. They Buck,

696
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 5: we got it.

697
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: So they go in.

698
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 5: I said, once I give it to it, then they

699
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 5: were finishing. Man, that people would go crazy. That's where

700
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 5: Showtime came in.

701
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: You know.

702
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 5: It was a show within the game, and they started

703
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 5: calling us the Showtime Lakers and it was beautiful.

704
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously Hollywood Showtime, it's fitting. But also the

705
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: Laker girls, they kind of changed the game for cheerleaders

706
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: or whatever you want to call them. Polab Duel was

707
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: a superstar, but she started as a Laker girl. Speak

708
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 3: to their significance in I guess we call it cheerleading

709
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: for the NBA because.

710
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 5: They were the ship Yes, and doctor Bush created all

711
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 5: of that. Doctor Buss was a visionary who was a

712
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 5: guy who thought outside the box. And so he said,

713
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 5: you know what, I want to show the Yes to

714
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 5: be the team, but we got.

715
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: To create entertainment.

716
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 5: I'm in the entertainment entertainment capital of the world, so

717
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 5: I want more happening doing the game. So that's when

718
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 5: he had the young ladies come out and start dancing

719
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 5: Paul Abdu of course, and then that just turned in

720
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 5: to something really spal and I mean it was just

721
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 5: it was just beautiful. Then he had Hugh Hefner come

722
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 5: and all the ladies was in lace and you know,

723
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 5: the playmates focus.

724
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I tell people, I mean, I won a championship,

725
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: will go to state. But there's nothing in the world

726
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: like being a Laker. When you just sit on the

727
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 3: bench sometimes and look in the crowd, you'll see.

728
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 5: Anybody, anybody and anything anything.

729
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: I made sure I had thirty every time I played

730
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 4: the Lakers.

731
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 5: I mean, it's no place like it's still nothing like

732
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 5: going to a Laker game, you know. And so doctor

733
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 5: Bustdoll created all of that, and he was a genius

734
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 5: to buy the form the Lakers and the King for

735
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 5: sixty five million dollars and now that team.

736
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: Is worth four or five billion dollars.

737
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 5: That's crazy, right, And so you got to give him credit,

738
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 5: and then Genie credit right now for carrying on his

739
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 5: his dream and what he started.

740
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 4: Agreed with all that success, here comes the Pistons and

741
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 4: the Bulls. What was it like battled against Isaiah Michael?

742
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: Those were.

743
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 5: The Pistons were probably one of the best defensive teams

744
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 5: that probably played in the fire.

745
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: There was physical That's why they were so physical.

746
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 5: But long when you have people like Dennis and John Sally,

747
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 5: I mean, you get past you might get past Joe Dumar,

748
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 5: but you got both of them to get Lambert and

749
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 5: Lambierd he would just slam you, I mean just to

750
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 5: follow you. And that three guard combination of Isaiah, Joe Dumars,

751
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 5: and Vinnie Johnson was unbelievable. And so wa we won

752
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 5: one series against them, and then in eighty eight, and

753
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 5: then they came back and beat us in eighty nine,

754
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 5: and then Michael, it was their turn. We were on

755
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 5: the decline, they were on the way up. And when

756
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 5: we played them in ninety one. You could tell that

757
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 5: the Pistons had prepared them for the championship. Michael was

758
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 5: ready to finally win. Scotty was ready to play his

759
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 5: role as well. And that's when they beat us and

760
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 5: it started their run. So you all have runs, right,

761
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 5: and so we had our run, the Celtics had their run.

762
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 5: It was the Pistons turn, then the Bulls turn, and

763
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 5: on and on and on.

764
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 3: So we just had a recent debate on our show.

765
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: It was brought up by Freddi Gibbs. I don't you

766
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: were part of a dynasty? Was the Pistons team of dynasty?

767
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: When you went back to back?

768
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 5: You gotta say, if they're not a dynasty, they're close

769
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 5: to it, right, because is.

770
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: It three times?

771
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: Eli? Is it three?

772
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 3: Isn't multiple? Yeah, there's nothing in the rule book that

773
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: determines what a dynasty is.

774
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was a real day.

775
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 5: I guess it's up to every individual to say what

776
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 5: they think a dynasty is. But let me tell you something,

777
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 5: winning back to back.

778
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: Is very difficult, Yes, very difficult.

779
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 5: So give them a lot of credit going back to

780
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 5: back and showing people that they were as good as advertised. So,

781
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 5: especially with Isaiah's.

782
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 4: Leadership when every time they do a top seventy five

783
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 4: or bring all the top players together, it's obvious that

784
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 4: you are the glue. Everybody comes around you.

785
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: Magic.

786
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 4: It seemed like you keep everything together, like even all

787
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 4: the older guys, Like everybody's around you. You got everybody laughing.

788
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 4: You just the life of the party. What's your take

789
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: on the back and forth with Isaiah and Mike right now?

790
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 5: I don't like it right. I think they should be

791
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 5: done with that. Listen, we played. When we played, we

792
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 5: all had to dislike each other to win a championship.

793
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 5: We all had to do what we had to do.

794
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 5: But now what Michael is doing, Uh, it's incredible to

795
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 5: be an owner in the NBA.

796
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: To his shoe is still number one. I mean, you can.

797
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 5: Put all those guys shoes sells together. They can't even

798
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 5: mess with Michael Jordan's shoes and so.

799
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: And then Isaiah is a businessman.

800
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 5: Himself, one exactly all the things that he's doing.

801
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: So why why are we still living in the past.

802
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I think only Magic can fix that ship.

803
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 5: Well, I'm definitely gonna try because they should be look

804
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 5: up to both of them.

805
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: We look up to both of them.

806
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they're my boys, right right, So I guess

807
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to be the one to bring them

808
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 5: together because.

809
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 4: Culture, we want to see Zezeke and Mike somewhere having

810
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 4: to drink together.

811
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: Man for the culture. There you go, there, you go, there,

812
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: you enjoy there.

813
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, nineteen ninety one, your career was halted, but you

814
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 4: just the odds played then All Star Game, helped the

815
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 4: Dream Team win the goal, which was unbelievable. You know,

816
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 4: we taking our hats off to you many times, but

817
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 4: this was just the ultimate.

818
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: What was your mental during that time?

819
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, when you go through a life threatening situation,

820
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 5: it definitely changes you. I'm always an up guy. That

821
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 5: was probably my lowest point in my life. And so

822
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 5: thank god that, you know, the medicine that was available

823
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 5: at that time could keep me here for a long

824
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 5: time as well as I did everything I had to

825
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 5: do to be here a long time, right, And so

826
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 5: and then when I think about playing on the Dream Team,

827
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,959
Speaker 5: that was amazing because I've always wanted on my bucket list,

828
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 5: I just wanted one time to play.

829
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: With Larry and Michael, just one time.

830
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 5: And now I get a chance to represent the country

831
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 5: play on the dream team, play with Michael, make a

832
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 5: pass to him, make a pass to Larry Bird, Charles Barkley,

833
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 5: Scottie Pippen, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Clyde Drexler, Chris Mullin Stockton.

834
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: So it was really amazing for me to be able

835
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 2: to be on that team and.

836
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 5: Us crush everybody by over forty two game and I

837
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 5: think open the game up absolutely all the international players.

838
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 2: That's right.

839
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 5: It became a global game after that, so it was.

840
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: A true blessing.

841
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 5: And also to it, it helped me understand that I

842
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 5: was going to be here a long time.

843
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: What were those practices like, I mean you hear you

844
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 3: see docuseries and docs they say, that's kind of when

845
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: you handed the torch over to Mic. Because I'm sure

846
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: you guys got more out of the practices than you

847
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: got out of.

848
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: The game playing. You're right, we practiced, man.

849
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 5: When you got that, you got ten egos out on

850
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 5: that court like in the world, Yes, going at each

851
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 5: other every single day.

852
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: So one game he decided.

853
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 5: To say, okay, the East versus the West, So all

854
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 5: the East guys Jordan, Pipping, Bird, Barkley and Ewing bad

855
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 5: and then all the West guys my Loan Robinson h

856
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 5: Drexler Mullin and stocked him. So we all played against

857
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 5: each other. So we were man. We were going at

858
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 5: each other and talking stuff. So Charles Barkley took malone

859
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 5: one time and he scored. I said, come on, Carl,

860
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 5: you got to get his ass back.

861
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: On that block and get him back, so I threw

862
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: it to him. He scored. They come back, they scored,

863
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: We scored.

864
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 5: So we were talking stuff. So finally we got on

865
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 5: a little run. So we scored about eight in a row.

866
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 5: They didn't score time out, so Michael walking back. I

867
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 5: don't usually talk trash, but I had to that time.

868
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: So I said, Michael, if you don't turn into air Jordan,

869
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: we're gonna blow y'all out.

870
00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 5: Man. He started sweating. That tongue went long. You know

871
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 5: where that tongue comes over. It's the problem.

872
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: He about he about to do something.

873
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 5: That dude came out that time out. He scored about

874
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 5: four straight threes and I went, oh, man.

875
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: Then he came down. I gotta show you this one.

876
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: Hurt herself.

877
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 2: I won't hurt myself out. So he stole the basketball.

878
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 5: He coming down the right side, he takes off, David

879
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 5: Robinson coming this way.

880
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: So Mike just coughed and he just looked at it

881
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 2: in the air and he kept looking. He kept looking,

882
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: he kept looking. He went all the way down. Jack,

883
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: he did a three sixty. Man. I said, that's it.

884
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: That's it. It's over. That's him, it's over now.

885
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: That's so.

886
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: So he just looked at me too to let me.

887
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 3: Know I'm coming.

888
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: Your father, you know who got me to do this? You.

889
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 5: So we got upstairs and Larry Bird not sitting down.

890
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: So he come in with his cigar, got his dream.

891
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: So how old is he right now? He's twenty six?

892
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: When he said, yeah young, you know. Yeah, So I

893
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: just want you all to know that's a new sheriff

894
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: in time.

895
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

896
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: He says, it's my league.

897
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 5: Now you had your term, Larry Bird, you had your term.

898
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: Now it was my league. I love and we all

899
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: bowed down. Yeah, I love it.

900
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 4: It wasn't never a time were you and MJ even

901
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 4: thought about trying to play together.

902
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: Nothing ever.

903
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't like that, you know what, I was

904
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 4: wanting to compete.

905
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't a guy like that. Yeah, I never

906
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: wanted to play with nobody but my dudes. Yeah, I

907
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: was good and.

908
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 5: I've always been a dude wherever I end up. That's

909
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 5: why I'm rolling, you know. And so uh even pick

910
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 5: up games. I never tried to get all the name dudes.

911
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 5: I tried to just get dudes who want to play. Yeah,

912
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 5: let's go, let's go. I like that underdog thing. Anyway,

913
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 5: come on, let's go beat these dudes over here. And

914
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 5: so that was always my mindset, and and I'm glad,

915
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 5: but I would say this, that's what makes sports.

916
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: Special, right.

917
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 5: Competitiveness Yeah, yeah, not you know, everybody joining each other,

918
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 5: you know, go make it happen. If you the best,

919
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 5: you're going, you got to go up against them guys anyway.

920
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: Period. Forgive me.

921
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: I just flew in and I worked out this morning set.

922
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: I just trained, been hydrated.

923
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: Let me pee.

924
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 3: Give me two seconds, right back. It's two minutes, y'all

925
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: talking about yourself, right back. I've been holding this shit

926
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: in for thirty minutes.

927
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: Give me two minutes, I me right back. I love it.

928
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 5: I love it, Jack, I love it. That's why your show,

929
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 5: that's why your show is.

930
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 2: A big Anything can happened. Nothing he does surprises me.

931
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: Nothing he does surprise me. Bro, Hey, I didn't see

932
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 2: you over here. That's a boy. How you feeling, baby?

933
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 2: Everything straight?

934
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: See, let me thank you for coming. So while you're here,

935
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 4: come on, pete, everybody get around a.

936
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 3: Closs and Paul pill for two.

937
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 5: Then a little it on up the tubers in the cilding,

938
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 5: burning my mic, give me give my money.

939
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 6: All right, hold on, I'm gonna say just one story.

940
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 4: Tell him when you took over the best Johnson gain.

941
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 2: South.

942
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 6: No, look quick, this is when when we talking about

943
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 6: the us LA pickup runs. So this is when Magic

944
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 6: was retired and Matt played up there in college. Magic

945
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 6: used to come up there with his own team. He

946
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 6: bring his own five, a bunch of old dudes.

947
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: He was tired. I'm a young dude in the league.

948
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm a rookie.

949
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 6: So he never I never seen him lose a game

950
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 6: and a pick of runs. And this is Magic about

951
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 6: ten years retired already. So he come. I'm guarding him

952
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 6: in the post. The game is tied up six six,

953
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 6: we go on to seven. I'm like, all right, I

954
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 6: got Magic, Magic, go up shoot the hook. I challenge

955
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 6: the shot. He missed the hook, We get the rebound.

956
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 6: Throw it ahead, we score game over. Magic looked down like, no, no,

957
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 6: that don't count.

958
00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: That's a foule. He brings out, he said, brings down back.

959
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 2: They looked at me. You look at me like you know,

960
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: like you know, that's a foul on your collar. How

961
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: gonna touch them?

962
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 6: They put the ball in to get the ball back

963
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 6: of the post, shoot the hook and win the game.

964
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: I ain't no way you can be master. Now, Hey,

965
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: where are you going? Where you go? Where you're going?

966
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 5: So so so you were all my little brothers, right,

967
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 5: so Paul, Reggie Miller, all the guys playing up there,

968
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, my main man. And so I always told

969
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 5: them I'm gonna teach them one thing, and that's to

970
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 5: understand that everything is not gonna go that way in

971
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 5: the league. So the reason I called that fiule was

972
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 5: to make him stronger at the end of the day,

973
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 5: right right right, and Randie yourself, everybody remember all them stories.

974
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 5: But the things that I wanted to do happen. Look

975
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 5: at all of my champions, all them doing great in life.

976
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: And so we we we used to love. Man, those

977
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: games and those pick up games are legendary. Will never

978
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 2: be anything like that ever again.

979
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 5: And man, remember people had to set out, couldn't even

980
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 5: play sometime.

981
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: Come on, man, yeah, I like that.

982
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 3: I heard you'll can you check check?

983
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: You said she didn't walked up here.

984
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 3: Paul end up taking over Magic's game.

985
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 2: That's right, don't stop. They've been there.

986
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 4: Let me and I get invited to the Magic Johnson

987
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 4: Classic after he didn't patches to him and beat.

988
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, this way it went.

989
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 4: It went from a celebrity game in the in the staples. Yep,

990
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 4: everybody's there, players having a.

991
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: Good time, gatorade on the sideline.

992
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 4: So when I'm there and they in control of it,

993
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 4: all the players got double cup with back on them

994
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 4: on the sideline.

995
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 2: Everybody's drinking back on the side. Thank you. Yes, it

996
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: was a good two year round. I supposed to come

997
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: after Magic. Yeah you steel the man? Oh my god,

998
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 2: I heard.

999
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 3: I mean obviously Paul told you stories. This is what

1000
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: this is me again, idolizing this man coming to college

1001
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: that just turned eighteen, and Magic is playing pickup games

1002
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 3: with us. But I quickly learned you can never beat Manic.

1003
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 3: Bring it was, bring it back, you feel contastic, play

1004
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 3: good defense and not phallum. But if it's point game,

1005
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 3: you're never gonna score that point.

1006
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 2: Ever, But you know what, that's every O g everything

1007
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: right every night.

1008
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 3: At some point you just stopped getting At some point,

1009
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 3: you just stopped getting mad.

1010
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on. So now I'm not playing no more.

1011
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: I'm on the sideline. Guess who calling all the fouls?

1012
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: And Reggie, I mean, those are some legendary games. I

1013
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: mean talking about there's rumors that you know, Will came

1014
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 3: up there one time and you guys were talking ship

1015
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 3: back and forth and listen, we had you see, like

1016
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: summer runs were different.

1017
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 5: Great player came to you still later play, Moses Malone,

1018
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 5: you name it. They all came up, Dominique, Isaiah, Marco,

1019
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 5: you name him.

1020
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 2: They all came to run.

1021
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 5: And I remember a Keem came and a Keem was late,

1022
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 5: and you know, we had a rule, you can't come

1023
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 5: after a certain time.

1024
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: You can't get on a team. Because it was so

1025
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 2: many NBA players.

1026
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 3: That's a king though, So I know that's what everybody said.

1027
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 5: To right, And I said, man, I'm sorry, man, they

1028
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 5: already got all the teams and we're playing.

1029
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: Man, do you know he got so mad the next

1030
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: day he came, Remember he blocked He must have blocked

1031
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: about twenty shots. I mean, he just was so upset.

1032
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 5: He said, Magic, I just want to play and you

1033
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 5: didn't that be played, So he just dominated the action.

1034
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's how great it was pickup games

1035
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 5: back in the day.

1036
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: So we better get back to this jungle talking about

1037
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: this all.

1038
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 3: Transitioning from basketball. You end up calling it quits in

1039
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 3: ninety six and transitioning into business, and your focus was

1040
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 3: investing black and you know, revitalizing communities. Before we get

1041
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 3: into that, talked to us about some of your mentors,

1042
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: because you had mentors that were kind of running the

1043
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 3: game and how important that was to your success after basketball.

1044
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 5: Well, Matt, you know, listen, I knew basketball, but I

1045
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 5: didn't know business. So I wanted to make sure I

1046
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 5: surrounded myself with people who knew business that could teach

1047
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 5: me business. So doctor Jerry Buss later only the Lakers

1048
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 5: became my first mentor, Michael Ovitz, all these different men,

1049
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 5: Howard Scholzer, Starbucks became my mentors because I wanted to

1050
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 5: pick their brain on what made them successful so I

1051
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 5: could get that knowledge and then build my businesses in

1052
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 5: the black community.

1053
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 2: So they gave me the knowledge that I needed so that.

1054
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 5: Then I could take it to the hood, yes, and

1055
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 5: build my business, but also put people of color to work.

1056
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 5: Once I got all the information that I needed, I

1057
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 5: started with the number one thing that we were doing

1058
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 5: back then with our family, which was going to the movies.

1059
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 5: So I did a deal with Sony and I built

1060
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 5: Magic Johnson Theaters. Because I did the research, we were

1061
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 5: the number one group of people going to the movies,

1062
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 5: but there were no movies in our movie theaters in

1063
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 5: our community. So I built movie theaters and man, my

1064
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 5: first theaters came in top ten highest grossing theaters in

1065
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 5: the nation the first.

1066
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: Theater I built, and I knew then. I said, oh,

1067
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be successful.

1068
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 5: And so after that success, I went up to Seattle

1069
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 5: and told Howard Shows that black people we like coffee.

1070
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: Too, right, and we loved we like coffee too, and so.

1071
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 5: I said, let's build some Starbucks in our community. And

1072
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 5: sure enough, we did a deal that's still unbelievable today

1073
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 5: where he allowed me to build one hundred and twenty

1074
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 5: five Starbucks in forty different markets across the United States,

1075
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 5: proving people wrong because everybody thought it wouldn't work in

1076
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 5: the black community.

1077
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 2: And we proved everybody wrong. It did work.

1078
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 5: I made some little tweaks to the desserts because we

1079
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 5: don't eat scone.

1080
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: So I took the stones out and put in peace cobbles.

1081
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 5: That resonate with our community. And sure enough, it wasn't

1082
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 5: just for the Starbucks. It also became a meeting place

1083
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 5: in the black community. We didn't have meeting places in

1084
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 5: our community where we can meet our friends, or our

1085
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 5: mothers could meet her girlfriend and so on, and so

1086
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 5: Starbucks became a meeting place and it was beautiful.

1087
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: Man.

1088
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 5: So that's what jump started my business career. And so

1089
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 5: sure enough it took off from there.

1090
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: One business deal that didn't come to fruition for you, Nike.

1091
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 3: You offered the Nike deal and today the estimated worth

1092
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: would have been five point two billion. I mean, you're

1093
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 3: doing fine, but talks us about that Nike situation though

1094
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 3: the reason why you changed.

1095
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, Matt.

1096
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 5: He's still.

1097
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1098
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 5: So here, I am just win in the national Championship

1099
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 5: against Larry Bird, and three companies came in, so Converse, Adidas,

1100
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,479
Speaker 5: and Nike. Nike was just a year or two old,

1101
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 5: and so Converse offered me the most money.

1102
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: So you know, when you grow up, you take the money.

1103
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 5: So Phil Knight came in and said, hey, I can't

1104
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 5: offer you the same type of money, but I can

1105
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 5: offer you stock.

1106
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: Was trying to hear that then. I wasn't trying then,

1107
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: and I didn't know nothing about it. And my family

1108
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: didn't come for money.

1109
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 5: See that's one thing that hurt us sometimes when you

1110
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 5: don't come from money, you don't know what.

1111
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: I didn't even know what stocks was at.

1112
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 5: That time, right, so I passed on the stocks. Can

1113
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 5: you imagine forty five years.

1114
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: Five billion dollars stock would have been worth today.

1115
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: But like Jackson, the reason, yeah, this is to be

1116
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 3: You're the reason why we wore Converse though, because I

1117
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 3: got me a pair of magics too. But like no

1118
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 3: one would have touched converse I got.

1119
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 4: From.

1120
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: But let me say this.

1121
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 5: You know when you don't know something, that's okay. It's

1122
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 5: when you know and then you mean you mistake. But

1123
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 5: I'm also a guy who never looks back. I live

1124
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 5: in the moment.

1125
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: See.

1126
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 5: I hate people who talk about what happened thirty years ago,

1127
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 5: or I used to have it going.

1128
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 2: On, what are you doing now? It's about what you're

1129
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: doing now? See.

1130
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 5: And so I'm a person who live in a moment,

1131
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 5: and I'm always moving forward, always moving forward. And if

1132
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 5: something happened to me that wasn't good, I leave it

1133
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 5: in the past and I keep moving forward, see it.

1134
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 2: And so that's who I am.

1135
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 3: So they're telling us our time. Can we get I

1136
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 3: know it's past your bedtime. Can we get fifteen one?

1137
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 4: We got it?

1138
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 3: Just a couple of war. Okay, we're gonna get through this. Okay, Well,

1139
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 3: shout out to legends. Obviously, you're one of the greatest legends.

1140
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna name some legends right now and talk to

1141
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 3: us about each one of these individuals. Kobe Bryant, oh.

1142
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 5: Special, special on the court, special off the court, Kobe

1143
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 5: changed the game, man, Kobe changed.

1144
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: Los Angeles to NBA.

1145
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 5: He would work out with anybody, high school, young lady,

1146
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 5: young man.

1147
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 3: He worked my tweens out.

1148
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1149
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 5: He loved the game like we all loved it. He

1150
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 5: was twenty four to seven involved. So we missing even today.

1151
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 5: So we should clap for no one.

1152
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 3: Rest in peace of it to our brother coch absolutely

1153
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 3: Muhammad Ali Man, he.

1154
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: Was special, become my father. We used to go to

1155
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: the theater before they had paid per view, they had

1156
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 2: that other thing.

1157
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 5: Closed circuit, so we used to We used to go

1158
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 5: to the theater to watch Ali fight or listen to

1159
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 5: it on the radio with my father. And the first

1160
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 5: thing I always wanted to do when I finally signed

1161
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 5: my contract with the Lakers was to go to an

1162
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 5: Ali fight. And I got a chance after my rookie

1163
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 5: season that summer he was fighting, and man, it was

1164
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 5: the greatest moment because I also got a chance to

1165
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 5: meet him, and because what he stood for and he

1166
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 5: was a proud black man that they gave us all

1167
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 5: a sense of pride, and what he was able to do,

1168
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 5: not only in the boxing ring, but outside of it too.

1169
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: It was amazing. This one right here.

1170
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 3: Talk to us about the pajama parties that Prince used

1171
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 3: to throw into Magic Johnson Theater.

1172
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: Matt, you brought up something body brings up. Man. So

1173
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: I'm at the crib.

1174
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 5: Here we go, and my phone and my phone ring

1175
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 5: and I said, hello, Magic, this is Prince.

1176
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 2: I said, the Prince. Prince, Prince, and he said yeah.

1177
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: I said, what's up?

1178
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 5: He said, Man, I want to come to your movie

1179
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 5: theater about two am in the morning, I said, Prince,

1180
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 5: we close at two am. He said, I know, that's

1181
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 5: why I want to come, and I want to bring

1182
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 5: my own people to the theater. And I said, okay,

1183
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 5: let me make this happen.

1184
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: So we get to the theater.

1185
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 5: He has a big bus and they all are in pajamas, right,

1186
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 5: and he got to drink, he got everything.

1187
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: They go in.

1188
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 5: We had the popcorn, everything, and we just let him

1189
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 5: have it. Man, And he stayed there till four or

1190
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 5: five in the morning watching movies. It was so much fun.

1191
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 5: He just kept calling me, kept doing it.

1192
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: But you know what was cool.

1193
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 5: My greatest thrill was going on tour with him, and

1194
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 5: then going on tour with Michael Jackson.

1195
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: Wow. Man, I went on tour with Michael. It's different,

1196
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 2: right twice.

1197
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 5: And so we have the last two floors of the

1198
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 5: hotel so they could run around and play and have fun. Right,

1199
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 5: So the limos go out, so it's thousands of women

1200
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 5: screaming out front. So when the limos pull out, they

1201
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 5: all think we in the limos, So all the girls

1202
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,959
Speaker 5: start chasing the limbos down the street. So we would

1203
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 5: go down the elevator and get in some white vans.

1204
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 5: Nobody even knew.

1205
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: Where we're in the buns.

1206
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 5: Right we pull up, they already dressed and ready to

1207
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 5: go on stage. And man, that's where I decided I

1208
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 5: had to be even better as a basketball player.

1209
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, It's never been nobody like him. This dude

1210
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 2: would be in a.

1211
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 5: Mirror for two hours just working on his moves and

1212
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 5: it was unbelievable.

1213
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 2: So that was one of my greatest moments.

1214
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 5: Torn with him, and then torn with friends and seeing

1215
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 5: how they just turned it out.

1216
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Get myself back together. Talking about the Kobe stuff

1217
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 2: kind of took me.

1218
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you experienced some of the highs and the lows,

1219
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 4: but you prevailed through it all. If it's one thing

1220
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 4: that you could, oh some advice that you can give

1221
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,439
Speaker 4: anybody in here about life and dealing with ups and downs,

1222
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 4: what would it be.

1223
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 5: Jack I think you're gonna have ups and downs in life, right,

1224
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 5: It's how you deal with them, how you come through them.

1225
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 5: I'm a guy who just meets things head on, and

1226
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 5: then I don't make excuses. You know, I'm accountable for

1227
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 5: everything I've ever done, and so if it's my fault,

1228
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you it's my fault. I'm not a

1229
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 5: guy like I said, who make excuses? So I would say,

1230
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 5: you know, just focus on getting better. Like my whole

1231
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 5: thing in life now is in twenty two. I don't

1232
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 5: want to be the same man in twenty three, So

1233
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 5: how can I improve as a father, a husband, a businessman,

1234
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 5: on and on and on. So I'm about self improvement,

1235
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 5: right and getting better, and so that's what we all

1236
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 5: should be focused on.

1237
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 2: And if we can do that, then we're gonna be okay.

1238
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 5: And even when that bad time come, we'll handle it

1239
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 5: and then we'll move on, you know, cause it's gonna come.

1240
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 5: Disappointment always comes, change always comes, but it's how we

1241
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 5: deal with it, right, And so I've always been a

1242
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 5: guy just meeting head on and just keep.

1243
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 2: Moving, you know.

1244
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 5: I mean both of you have been through something, but

1245
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 5: look where you are now, right And the George Floyd thing,

1246
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 5: what you did, let's give.

1247
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 2: Him a hand man, because well Steven did for that.

1248
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 5: You are a true leader and made us all take

1249
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 5: notice and make us all get involved.

1250
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 2: And that's what I love about you, you know.

1251
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 5: And so the things you've been dealing with, see you

1252
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 5: talk about me, You've been dealing with something. Your brother

1253
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 5: just passed and you're still sitting here.

1254
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 2: See that.

1255
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 5: That's that shows a sign of strength. And we know

1256
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 5: your heart is heavy, but you still coming to work.

1257
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 5: You still grinding, You're still doing.

1258
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 2: What you have to do. See that's that's a that's

1259
01:06:51,760 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: a blessing. So always remember this. Somebody is watching. See

1260
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: somebody is watching. Somebody is watching, and that's either your friends,

1261
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 2: your kids.

1262
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 5: See see for black men, it's so important that we

1263
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 5: excel because somebody at home is watching.

1264
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 2: See our little men are are watching.

1265
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 5: And so it's a blessing when my kids tell me, Dad,

1266
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 5: I'm only successful because I saw you, So that makes

1267
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 5: me feel good.

1268
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 2: My daughter got her own eyewear line, but she said,

1269
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 2: you taught me that I could do this, and so

1270
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: that's a beautiful thing. See.

1271
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 5: So again we're doing it. We're doing it, man. And

1272
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 5: you got big boy sitting here. And I saw him

1273
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 5: be number one in this market. And then he went

1274
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 5: simulcast one of the first dudes, I mean to take

1275
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 5: a show nationwide, worldwide.

1276
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 2: I mean he go to Japan.

1277
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 5: They go crazy as what it's about.

1278
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 2: So that's why it's special.

1279
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 5: See I'm gonna do I give it up. See I

1280
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 5: ain't trying to just oh, be focused on me.

1281
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 2: No, I like to give it up. When when brothers

1282
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: are doing great things, that empowers me too. So remember that.

1283
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 5: So listen, this show is unbelievable. And they talk about

1284
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 5: they wasn't superstar, No, they superstars. See, you don't have

1285
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 5: to always be the best at one thing. See that's

1286
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,560
Speaker 5: not the mark of a great man. It's whether you

1287
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 5: could be the best at other things, or two things

1288
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 5: or three things.

1289
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 2: How can you reinvent yourself? Man? You guys are killing it,

1290
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,520
Speaker 2: killing them, killing it, killing.

1291
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 3: We imagine. We want to thank you for your time tonight,

1292
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 3: obviously knowing how busy you are and just the man

1293
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,759
Speaker 3: you are, you know the way, like you said, you're

1294
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 3: responsible for all your actions and and and that's respectable.

1295
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,719
Speaker 3: The barriers you've broken, the wall, you know, the heights

1296
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 3: you've achieved. We need to see it to believe it.

1297
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 3: And you're someone that has continued to show us that

1298
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 3: it's possible, and we want to thank you for that.

1299
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 3: And man, best of luck. Yes, sir, I'd love to

1300
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 3: see you as the owner of the NBA team one day.

1301
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. That'd be great. I appreciate it. But

1302
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 2: can we get some money.

1303
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about that.

1304
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: You can definitely do that.

1305
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're all three invest in something and it's gonna

1306
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 5: win too.

1307
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 6: Man.

1308
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 3: That's a wrap all the smoke, the one that only

1309
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 3: managed to do it all.

1310
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 2: Appreciate you, you know that, Thank you John, you know

1311
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 2: thanks for happening.