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Speaker 1: Kurtur Latino USA. Latino USA. I'm Maria in no Josa.

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Speaker 1: We bring you stories that are underreported but that mattered

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Speaker 1: listen to the stories of Black and Latino Studios United,

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Speaker 1: Latino Front, a cultural renaissance organizing at the forefront of

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Speaker 1: the movement. I'm Maria ino jossa Novayan.

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Speaker 2: You know the memoirs that I've written about my time

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Speaker 2: My hope for Latino USA is that it lasts another

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Speaker 1: From Futuro Media and PRX, It's Latino USA. I Maria

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Speaker 1: no Josa today remembering Latino USA founder and pioneer public

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Speaker 1: radio journalist Maria Emilia Martin. On December two of twenty

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Speaker 1: the place where thirty years before she had founded this

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Speaker 2: Ah Maria Martin, you're listening to Latino USA.

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Speaker 1: Maria Emidia Martin was born in Mexico City and grew

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Speaker 1: From that community station in California, Maria Martin moved to

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Speaker 1: We were on more than one hundred stations in our

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Speaker 1: During all of that time, I was living in New

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Speaker 1: being with NPR correspondent Mandalite Delbarco. Now, I've known Mandalid

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Speaker 7: We'd have those all night sessions where we were trying

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Speaker 7: in terms of just like remembering who we are, who

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Speaker 7: we were, who we should be, remembering all those things

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Speaker 7: that happened to us and our stories and not just

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Speaker 7: the news.

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Speaker 1: Again, she was older than us, and so she had

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Speaker 1: that kind of way of being, which is she was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: no I speak no tim l I say the things

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Speaker 1: that have to be said gently. Again, because Mandy had

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Speaker 1: a great way about her, and she was on the story.

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Speaker 1: She was going to get that story.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah. But I mean I saw her mostly as

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Speaker 7: a teacher, but not a classroom teacher, although she did

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Speaker 7: that too, but just teaching us by example, but also

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Speaker 7: knowing that you have to pass it on to the

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Speaker 7: next generation. I mean, that's part of her life's work

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Speaker 7: was right all over. I remember going to Bolivia with

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Speaker 7: her and I got so sick because of the altitude.

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Speaker 7: She had to do the whole class by herself, practically

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Speaker 7: by herself. But we met with like campetinos and we

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Speaker 7: met Yeah, we went with the coca farmers who had

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Speaker 7: radio shows on the local radio stations, and people that

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Speaker 7: were just like unlikely storytellers of their own narratives, right,

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Speaker 7: And as it was always by the end, we were

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Speaker 7: all familiar. It's like no matter where we went, even

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Speaker 7: if it was for like three days or if it

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Speaker 7: was like for thirty years.

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Speaker 1: That's what Maria has taught us, which is what is

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Speaker 1: the mission, and it is to be the best journalist

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Speaker 1: possible and that means opening your eyes right.

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Speaker 7: And your heart because yes, yeah, I mean that's the

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Speaker 7: thing is she she just was very passionate about people

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Speaker 7: and people's lives. And it was I learned that part

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Speaker 7: of being a journalist from her you don't have to

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Speaker 7: just be this impersonal, cold, you know, fact finder, right.

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Speaker 7: And it was like it was like going to live

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Speaker 7: with people, going to celebrate, going to have a meal

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Speaker 7: with somebody that you report on, or that you're in

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Speaker 7: a space that you don't just parachute in and out of,

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Speaker 7: you know, but you really try to understand the people

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Speaker 7: and keep in contact. I've noticed that since we about

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Speaker 7: her being ill and her passing, so many people have

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Speaker 7: come out and said, Madia came and she was teaching

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Speaker 7: all the indigenous people in our community how to do radio.

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Speaker 7: And we celebrated a holiday with her, we went to

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Speaker 7: this place, or was a celebration with her or anything

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Speaker 7: like everybody was like had a personal connection with her.

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Speaker 7: It wasn't just like some faceless journalists that came by.

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Speaker 7: That's the kind of journalist that I want to be.

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Speaker 7: That I hope that I am. I learned that from Maria,

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Speaker 7: and I hope that that style continues. Journalism with a heart.

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Speaker 7: I hope that continues.

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Speaker 1: Maria was a hardcore, fact based journalist, but she was

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Speaker 1: a deeply spiritual human being. In fact, taught us journalists

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Speaker 1: how to be able to do both things. And so

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Speaker 1: as Mandelide and I ended our conversation, we looked out

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Speaker 1: the window and the ocean was calling us. So we

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Speaker 1: went downstairs and walked slowly all the way to the

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Speaker 1: water and then we had a moment beautiful here right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it really is. We just held hands and Mandelita and

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Speaker 1: I called out to.

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Speaker 8: Her my year, Milia, Myrdon, yeah, meva.

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Speaker 6: Wow, oh.

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Speaker 11: My god.

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Speaker 1: Oh look though I was just trying to follow us,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. It was a perfect way to say goodbye.

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Speaker 1: And now, dear listener, we want to give you the

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Speaker 1: gift of listening to Maria Martin's work in her own words.

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Speaker 1: We can't think of a better way to celebrate her

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Speaker 1: and her legacy than to listen to her voice and

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Speaker 1: the journalism she put her heart and soul into. We're

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Speaker 1: going to present one of the early pieces that Maria

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Speaker 1: Martin produced for Latino USA, and we thought it was

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Speaker 1: especially fitting because it's from a trip that she made

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Speaker 1: to Wahaka to report on the tradition of El Dia

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Speaker 1: de los Mortos, the Day of the Dead. Here's an

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Speaker 1: edited version of Maria Martin's reporting from Woahacca in the

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Speaker 1: year nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 2: On the plane from Mexico City to Wahaka, I sat

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Speaker 2: next to a man who was very obviously a Joaja Keno,

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Speaker 2: dark with Indian features. He now lived in New York

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Speaker 2: and he told me that for him and for the

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Speaker 2: people of his village, the two most important days of

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Speaker 2: the year were Christmas and El Dia de los Mortos,

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Speaker 2: the Day of the Dead. Last year, he said, I

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Speaker 2: didn't even get home for Christmas, but always I come

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Speaker 2: back for the s de Mortos, because he told me

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Speaker 2: that's the time that the dead also returned. It's about

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Speaker 2: ten in the evening on the thirty first of October,

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Speaker 2: and the banton or cemetery of the indigenous Apotech village

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Speaker 2: of Jojo Goatlan is almost as bright as day, lit

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Speaker 2: up by hundreds of candles placed on and around every

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Speaker 2: tombstone and graveside. Around the candles, some as high as

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Speaker 2: three or four feet, is the veritable profusion of flowers everywhere. Floris,

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Speaker 2: the golden yellow marigolds or Sempasucci said to have Elo

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Speaker 2: demerto the smell of death, the lush scarlet cockscomb, and

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Speaker 2: many many white lily. It's an explosion of light and

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Speaker 2: color and firecrackers. As families gather at the grave sites

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Speaker 2: of their loved ones.

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Speaker 5: Give use widow in transisky Mayanna. Yes it's a spersona in.

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Speaker 2: The characteristic sing song Spanish of the Indians. Sixty year

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Speaker 2: old Marcos Ramidez tells me that this is the night

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Speaker 2: for the vigil for those who have gone. We come

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Speaker 2: to wait for them. He says, tomorrow is the first

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Speaker 2: day that they come, and after tomorrow, well they say

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Speaker 2: goodbye and go away again.

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Speaker 5: This is are you.

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Speaker 2: Famili I need? Several of Senor Remidez has eight children

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Speaker 2: and about a dozen of his grandchildren stand around a

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Speaker 2: white tomb sprinkled with marigold pedals and decorated with at

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Speaker 2: least one hundred tiny tapered candles. It's the resting place

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Speaker 2: of Missus Raminez, and it's not a morbid site nor

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Speaker 2: a sad one.

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Speaker 12: Really.

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Speaker 2: Some people pray, some people sing, and the children play games,

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Speaker 2: and the tourists like me walk around taking photographs. Denver

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Speaker 2: artist George Rivetta has a special interest in eliadlos mortos.

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Speaker 2: He's been documenting these observances in Mexico for a couple

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Speaker 2: of years.

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Speaker 4: Now I see families here, some of them. AM sure

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Speaker 4: that some of the dead are long forgotten the images

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Speaker 4: of who they are, but the feeling and the kind

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Speaker 4: of meaning the head to their lives are still there.

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Speaker 4: So I'll see this as a time of just paying

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Speaker 4: respect to generations and understanding the continuity of generations. Tink

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Speaker 4: about the children are here. One day they will come

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Speaker 4: and and do that to their own, to their own

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Speaker 4: mother and father. They'll be here our brother and sister

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Speaker 4: that they will come when they do it. So they

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Speaker 4: begin to get socialized into that. But that's the way

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Speaker 4: we honor each other long after they're gone.

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Speaker 13: It's community.

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Speaker 4: It's community.

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Speaker 2: This community celebration officially gets underway on the thirty first

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Speaker 2: of October and continues through November three. In many ways,

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Speaker 2: it's like a party for the living and the dead.

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Speaker 5: Here's mis.

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Speaker 1: Me is pecially.

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Speaker 2: Under the glear of a string of beer light bulbs

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Speaker 2: outside the cemetery gate, dozens of food vendors like Alice

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Speaker 2: Lopez have set up their questos, their stalls and the

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Speaker 2: smells of sweet pastries and other traditional foods waffed through

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Speaker 2: the crisp Juahaca night is Po.

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Speaker 6: Lo Taquitos, Los Charina Lazonas Eltis in Pontico malcol.

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Speaker 2: I make my way to the big open air market

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Speaker 2: in Wajaca City. The Mercado A hundreds of vendors, so

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Speaker 2: just about everything you could imagine or want from calculators

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Speaker 2: to cheeses, candles to magic potions, and of course at

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Speaker 2: this time of year, there's a special deather, Los mortos,

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Speaker 2: candies shaped like hearts and angels, and the sugar candy

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Speaker 2: sculls called calaveras, and the day of the Dead folk

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Speaker 2: art like funerary scenes and tiny hainted cardboard tonsamba. There

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Speaker 2: are also mountains of the symbolic bread called Bande Muirto.

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Speaker 2: It's a traditional sweet Annis bread that's made only for

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Speaker 2: this time of year and in Wahaka, the loaves are

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Speaker 2: often decorated with the faces of angels. And so here

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Speaker 2: at the Mercado, I'll buy what I need for the

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Speaker 2: altar that I've set up in my hotel room, and

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Speaker 2: maybe tonight the soul of my mother ade La Garcia

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Speaker 2: Rios de Martin will come to visit, entied by the

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Speaker 2: smells of the avacates, the avocados, the mangoes and the

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Speaker 2: bandurse she so loved. For Latino Usa A Maria Martin.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on Leat You Know Usa, Maria Martin's life

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Speaker 1: after Let You Know Usa, and the most ambitious reporting

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Speaker 1: project that Mariette took on in her career. Stay with

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Speaker 1: us not mas Hey, We're back. We're continuing our special

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Speaker 1: episode remembering Latino USA founder and public radio trailblazer Maria

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Speaker 1: Emidia Martin, who passed away this past December. In the

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Speaker 1: spring of twenty twenty three, as we were preparing a

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Speaker 1: show to celebrate the thirty year anniversary of Latino USA,

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Speaker 1: we tried to tell an oral history of our show,

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Speaker 1: so we reached out to mem and I had a

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Speaker 1: chance for the very first time to sit down and

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Speaker 1: have an on the record conversation with Maria about the

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Speaker 1: show that she founded. What do you remember about those

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Speaker 1: early shows of Latino USA.

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Speaker 2: I remember working hundreds of hours. I remember sleeping on

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Speaker 2: the floor of the office and the studio because we

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Speaker 2: wanted to make sure that it sounded great.

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Speaker 1: We also revisited a painful moment in the history of

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Speaker 1: Latino USA and in the life of Maria Martin. In

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Speaker 1: two thousand and three, after eleven years at the helm

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Speaker 1: of Latino USA, Maria says she was forced out of

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Speaker 1: the show that she had founded, the show that she

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Speaker 1: considered her baby.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't my decision to leave Latino USA. I was

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Speaker 2: forced out, basically, and yes, it was very painful.

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Speaker 3: To leave that baby.

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Speaker 2: When I look back, I see that what happened to

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Speaker 2: me was quite symbolic of what was happening. I was

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Speaker 2: not the only Latina who was in power, who was

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Speaker 2: talented and had earned a place, in my case, in

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Speaker 2: public radio. But you know, this happened to women of

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Speaker 2: color facing gender issues, facing racism, facing the kind of

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Speaker 2: situations that we now look back and say, this is

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Speaker 2: really unjust. You know, very much like what happened to

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Speaker 2: women in terms of being harassed. I think that in

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Speaker 2: terms of the racial and ethnic reckoning that we have

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Speaker 2: started to do with our past but haven't really done

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Speaker 2: it yet, that was part of what happened to me.

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Speaker 2: It's much more complicated than that, and certainly, as I said, painful.

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Speaker 2: But you know, life works in mysterious ways.

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Speaker 1: If there are two words to describe Madia Martin, maybe

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Speaker 1: undeterred and undaunted would do. Because even with her heartbroken

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Speaker 1: after that painful loss, Maria went on doing what she

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Speaker 1: did best, journalism. She moved to her beloved Guatemala and

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Speaker 1: founded the Gracias Vivas Center for Media. That same year.

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Speaker 1: There she produced the most ambitious project of her career.

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Speaker 1: It was called This Puis de las Guerras Central America

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Speaker 1: After the Wars, an expansive documentary project that looked at

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Speaker 1: the legacy of the Wars in the region as Central

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Speaker 1: Americans were becoming the fastest growing Latino population in the

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Speaker 1: United States. Maria lived in Antigua in Guatemala, and with

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Speaker 1: her Gracias Viva Center, she worked with local journalists across

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Speaker 1: Latin America, training them on radio production and digital skills,

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Speaker 1: with a particular focus on training indigenous journalists. She never

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Speaker 1: stopped reporting to enrich the understanding of Central America. On

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Speaker 1: US public radio, reporter Maria Martin has more from Guatemala.

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Speaker 2: Bernardo Arevalo, the candidate no one expected to win, continues

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Speaker 2: his tour of heavily attended campaign stops.

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Speaker 1: So to end this special episode, dear listener, We're going

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Speaker 1: to take a listen to an edited version of one

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Speaker 1: of the award winning segments that Madia Martin produced for

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Speaker 1: This Boise Las Guerres Central America After the Wars. It's

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Speaker 1: reporting that is still relevant today, which shows just what

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Speaker 1: great journalism can do. Here once again is Madia Martin

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Speaker 1: with her reporting from Whatatemala, which first aired on Latino

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Speaker 1: USA in two thousand and four and a quick warning

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Speaker 1: there are some descriptions of violence.

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Speaker 2: Today, we're traveling down what appears to be an ordinary

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Speaker 2: dirt road in Whatatemala's north and rainforest, headed towards the

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Speaker 2: tiny village of Santa Maria Saija. Our guide is anthropologist

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Speaker 2: Pietris Mans.

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Speaker 12: This all has seen hell, terror of the worst kind,

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Speaker 12: and of the world it lost care.

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Speaker 2: Since she was a young graduate student in the nineteen seventies, Mans,

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Speaker 2: who's originally from Chile, has been witnessing and telling the

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Speaker 2: story of this rainforest community.

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Speaker 12: The area that we're going to see in the left

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Speaker 12: pretty soon is where you know, villagers were kept and fortuned.

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Speaker 2: Many people who came up this road never returned, of course.

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Speaker 12: Drugloads of people were brought here and they're probably buried

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Speaker 12: right where we are driving over the river, or thrown

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Speaker 12: to the river or thrown.

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Speaker 2: Into Mons has just published Paradise and Ashes, which documents

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Speaker 2: the history of this one village, just one of hundreds

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Speaker 2: destroyed during the worst years of the bloody Civil War.

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Speaker 2: It records the memories that are often difficult for those

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Speaker 2: in Santa Menia, say Hah to remember.

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Speaker 11: He was a scar.

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Speaker 3: I momentous.

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Speaker 2: Edwin Cannell says it's hard for him to talk about

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Speaker 2: the events of February nineteen eighty two in the United States,

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Speaker 2: then Ronald Reagan was president. The headlines in American newspapers

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Speaker 2: told of other happenings in Central America in O Salvador

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Speaker 2: and Nicaragua, but there was little news of what was

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Speaker 2: happening in this part of the region. About how, just

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Speaker 2: south of the Mexican border, a column of Gatemlan soldiers

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Speaker 2: marched into the isolated jungle settlement called Santa Maria Sej.

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Speaker 2: Edwin was just six years old.

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Speaker 14: Then Solove I planted the escape cord SPINAI.

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Speaker 11: Ele Hers took andres.

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Speaker 14: I only remember running when I heard the gunshots and

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Speaker 14: scream Sea say. I didn't turn around to see there

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Speaker 14: was a fallen tree trunk and there I hid. But

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Speaker 14: then I heard a little girl crying, and it was

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Speaker 14: my little sister.

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Speaker 11: It seemed as if I.

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Speaker 15: Were watching him.

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Speaker 14: Then I saw a soldier lift her up more and

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Speaker 14: take out his knife, and I did not understand what

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Speaker 14: I was seeing. I did not know what death was. Later,

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Speaker 14: when soldiers left, I went back where the bodies lay

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Speaker 14: in a circle, and I laid down with them, waiting

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Speaker 14: for them to wake up. My mother, my grandmother, my

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Speaker 14: cousins and uncles, my little sister. I began to talk

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Speaker 14: to them, mother, my grandmother. They wouldn't answer, they wouldn't

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Speaker 14: wake up.

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Speaker 2: I was afraid.

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Speaker 14: I was scared. Then I left.

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Speaker 11: Mill when I fail.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen people died that day, in just one hour, in

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Speaker 2: just one village, sixteen of an estimated two hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: killed or disappeared during the Watemalan Civil War. The brutality

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Speaker 2: of that day stands in stark contrast to the hope

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Speaker 2: and optimism that brought these once landless peasants to the

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Speaker 2: rainforest in the first place.

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Speaker 12: It took the most courageous, the most energetic, the most

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Speaker 12: optimistic to come here and do this.

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Speaker 2: Anthropologist Pyatrismans had studied the conditions in the Watemalan highlands,

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Speaker 2: where the poverty of the Mayans kept them obligated to

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Speaker 2: work in the coffee, sugar, and cotton plantations on the

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Speaker 2: south coast, only to come home year after year no

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Speaker 2: better off.

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Speaker 12: When the people came here in nineteen seventy, even though

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Speaker 12: they came from different areas in the highlands. They had

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Speaker 12: one common purpose, and it became very clear to them

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Speaker 12: that unity and belonging to a cooperative was very important,

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Speaker 12: and they wanted land and they needed to be strong.

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Speaker 9: Yo, maybe in a kipov care your aunt trainka.

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Speaker 16: I came because before I had no land. I worked

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Speaker 16: like a serf on the plantations, where they treated as badly,

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Speaker 16: not like human workers. They only gave us food twice

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Speaker 16: a day, and there were no latrines. You should have

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Speaker 16: seen the flies, the pestilence.

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Speaker 9: Pestilensil symbols vieweka.

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Speaker 2: Manuel Canil is the father of Erwin Canil, who was

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Speaker 2: six in nineteen eighty two. Manuel was one of the

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Speaker 2: first settlers whose dream of owning a piece of land

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Speaker 2: brought him north to settle in the harsh jungle area

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Speaker 2: known as.

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Speaker 9: The ish Khan in the Supremus king Avian Tiras Nacionals.

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Speaker 16: So when we heard there was national land available, that

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Speaker 16: one could have its own land, that's when we decided

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Speaker 16: to come Imi now most de.

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Speaker 3: Pierre.

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Speaker 2: They walked north to the rainforest for seven or eight

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Speaker 2: grueling days, fording streams and swamps, swinging machetes to clear

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Speaker 2: the jungles.

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Speaker 3: Organisatio.

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Speaker 16: Things got better because we organized. Then we had cows

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Speaker 16: and the children could have their milk and cheese. We

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Speaker 16: still didn't have much money, but we had enough to eat.

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Speaker 3: No content perrie s.

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Speaker 2: But then things started to change. The shadows of geopolitical

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Speaker 2: forces found their way into the Placid rainforest. Some called

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Speaker 2: it a showdown between communist inspired revolution and the status

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Speaker 2: quo of privilege and militarism. The people of Santa Mania

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Speaker 2: Seiha just called it La Volencia, the time of violence.

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Speaker 2: But then foreign oil companies started drilling not far from

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Speaker 2: Santa Maria, and it was taking time for the villagers

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Speaker 2: to get legal title to their land, and the army

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Speaker 2: threatened Santa Maria's peaceful existence. With each apparent attack by

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Speaker 2: the army, the villagers of Santa Maria Seiha became more

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Speaker 2: and more open to the Gorilla's message of three years before.

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Speaker 12: Put yourself in this position. You went through all that

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Speaker 12: effort to clear this. Now the military is coming around,

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Speaker 12: kicking people around, kidnapping already one guy here assassinating the

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Speaker 12: teacher that had come here to teach in the school.

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Speaker 12: They're oil explorations there, grigas around, and the government refuses

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Speaker 12: to give them land titles.

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Speaker 1: Well, are we going back to what we just left?

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Speaker 12: That's why we left the highlands to escape the dependence

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Speaker 12: on a patron on a plantation owner.

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Speaker 2: As both armies attempted to win through persuasion and through violence,

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Speaker 2: it was the civilian population that's for the consequences. On

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Speaker 2: the day of February thirteenth, nineteen eighty two, the people

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Speaker 2: of Santa Maria say Ha heard the army was coming,

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Speaker 2: and most fled into the jungle. The soldiers followed the

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Speaker 2: family of six year old Edwin Ganil had a dog

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Speaker 2: it barked. That's when the group of sixteen, including Edwin's mother, grandmother,

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Speaker 2: and baby's sister were brutally murdered. As Edwin hid in

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Speaker 2: the trees.

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Speaker 3: Watching as to him.

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Speaker 11: Speranuke Mama, I would lead that, I responded there.

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Speaker 14: I waited for them to wake up, but they would

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Speaker 14: so I followed the soldiers, being careful because my father

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Speaker 14: had told me that the army kills. And later I

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Speaker 14: saw the soldiers. They were setting a house on fire,

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Speaker 14: see ye, And then I went back to the mountain

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Speaker 14: and began to cry out for my father, and.

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Speaker 2: The village lay in ashes. The army was everywhere, and

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Speaker 2: the people of Santa Mariezija scattered throughout the jungle. Some

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Speaker 2: stayed hidden in the heavy brush of the rainforest for months,

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Speaker 2: even years. Others, like Edwin and his father Manuel Canille,

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Speaker 2: found their way to Mexico. Then many began a life

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Speaker 2: in exile that lasted for over a decade. See but

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Speaker 2: life was not easy for the refugees in a new country. Still,

801
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Speaker 2: it may have been even harder for those who stayed behind.

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Speaker 2: Rounded Up by the military, many were forced to give

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Speaker 2: information on their former neighbors. Anthropologist Patrice Mans kept in

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Speaker 2: touch with both groups.

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Speaker 12: You can see the beginning of disintegration of the sense

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Speaker 12: of community, where people are being accused of you sold

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Speaker 12: out and their torture. You said X. Then I would

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Speaker 12: go to the refugee camps and the refugees would say,

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Speaker 12: all those that remained in the village, they are with

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Speaker 12: the military. They are with the enemy. And when I

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Speaker 12: would come to the village during the militarization period, the

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Speaker 12: villagers here would say, because that's what the military would

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Speaker 12: say to them. The ones that went to Mexico are

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Speaker 12: the Garigias, and they're the ones that cause your troubles.

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Speaker 2: Today and for the last ten years, the village of

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Speaker 2: Santa Maria Seha has been living out a new chapter

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Speaker 2: in its history. The former refugees and those who returned

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Speaker 2: to Santa Marie Seha under the army's control are in

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Speaker 2: the process of rebuilding both their village and their shattered

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Speaker 2: sense of community. In many ways, what's happening in Santa

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Speaker 2: mariet Seha is a microcosm of what Whatatemala and other

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Speaker 2: once war ravaged countries in Central America are going through

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Speaker 2: a difficult journey from the violence, torture, and dislocation of

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Speaker 2: war to a precarious peace and a challenging reconciliation. Manuel

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Speaker 2: Canil says the first step to build peace is for

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Speaker 2: there to be justice.

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Speaker 3: Yeseran, and what for you, I.

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Speaker 2: Asked, Manuel, would constitute justice.

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Speaker 3: Como processes?

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Speaker 16: What I think is I don't want justice that we

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Speaker 16: put all those responsible for the massacres and the torture

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Speaker 16: to death, and that's not what I want. But I

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Speaker 16: do want them punished, that they spend some time reflecting

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Speaker 16: in jail. This will serve as an example for those

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Speaker 16: that will continue to be in power. What I want

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Speaker 16: is that for once, for justice, not in justice, to

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Speaker 16: rule in this land.

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Speaker 3: Greg name is the Pace.

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Speaker 2: He and his son Edwin are plaintiffs in a civil

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Speaker 2: suit against former what the Malan heads of state Romeo

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Speaker 2: Lucas Garcia and Ephrainrios mont. These two generals ruled Whatatemala

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Speaker 2: during the most brutal years of the anti insurgency movement

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one to nineteen eighty three, the years in

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Speaker 2: which Santa Mariezzeja was destroyed and at time the UN

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Speaker 2: Reconciliation Commission has characterized as a period of mass genocide

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Speaker 2: against indigenous Gatemalans. With Walter Morgan and Anglica Lovano a

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Speaker 2: Maria Martin.

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Speaker 1: Reporting after almost five decades of working in public media,

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Speaker 1: Maria left a significant mark, not just in the Latino

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Speaker 1: and Latina community, and not just in the US. The

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Speaker 1: outpouring of messages showed just how many of us feel

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Speaker 1: her loss.

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Speaker 17: For Maria from Peggy berry Hill. They thought they could

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Speaker 17: bury us. They didn't know we were seeds. Maria, you

855
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Speaker 17: did it. Your seeds have blossomed, Your work lives forever

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00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 17: passed on to the next generations. For those who were

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Speaker 17: lucky to be your friend, we forever hold your smiles,

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Speaker 17: throaty laughter and sparkling eyes in our hearts.

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Speaker 13: I'm Beto Arcos. I'm a free lance music and culture reporter.

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Speaker 13: Maria opened the door to so many voices of Latinos

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Speaker 13: who were never heard before on public radio. She was

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Speaker 13: my first editor, and let me tell you, she was

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00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 13: always pushing me to dig deeper and to be a

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Speaker 13: better writer and storyteller. For that with Jisimas Gracias.

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Speaker 18: My name is Ruxandra Quitti and I met Maria in

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Speaker 18: two thousand and four. I had just gotten to Austin

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Speaker 18: to start work as a producer for Letting the USA.

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00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 18: I needed a place to stay and folks said, why

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Speaker 18: you get in touch with Maria Martin.

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Speaker 2: She'll take you in, and she did.

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Speaker 18: She rented me a room and I ended up living

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Speaker 18: at our place for about a year. So Madia has

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Speaker 18: been absolutely instrumental in my career. She's been a close,

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Speaker 18: close friend and mentor, and I miss her a lot.

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Speaker 19: My name is Sanrica Aveda and I've been a journalist

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Speaker 19: in Gatemala for almost two decades. Here in Gatemala, we

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Speaker 19: will remember Maria Martin as someone who worked hard for

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Speaker 19: more than a decade to strengthen the capabilities of community journalists. Also,

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Speaker 19: she will remember us someone who's traveled to bring Central

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Speaker 19: American voices in the Central American news to the American

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Speaker 19: newspapers and the media.

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Speaker 20: For Maria Amilia, for me, Sabella Ligria, I'm remembering our

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Speaker 20: days in the nineteen eighties at KXR and Ninbaso and

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Speaker 20: your good humor, love and dedication to the Latin American

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Speaker 20: news service.

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Speaker 1: So many stories were told with reporters who you.

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Speaker 20: Connected with and nurtured in Mexico, the Caribbean, Central and

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Speaker 20: South America. Today, I mourn and celebrate you, but most

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Speaker 20: of all, Gracia Maria Amelia, I feel so lucky to

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Speaker 20: have known and learned from you.

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Speaker 21: My name is Mincho Jacob and I'm a radio producer

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Speaker 21: and had the honor of working with Maria Martin directly.

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Speaker 21: I think my fondest memory of her is when we

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Speaker 21: were in Themala out in Bodrio this Yocha on Guatemala City,

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Speaker 21: talking to gang members. My family was horrified, but it

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Speaker 21: was a really great experience. I hope that Madia Maren't

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Speaker 21: rests in power.

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Speaker 15: My name is Lipa Dande, former producer of Letting You

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Speaker 15: witha I have so many memories of men, it's hard to.

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Speaker 3: Pick just one.

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Speaker 15: But what I remember the most about Maria is when

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Speaker 15: she would close your eyes, probably around midnight and the

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Speaker 15: show was almost ready to be uploaded, The silence around

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Speaker 15: her as she would listen to the show, and the

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Speaker 15: synthesis of every note, sound, voice and sentence to choreograph

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Speaker 15: extraordinary audio storytelling. At Mariya would say sending you love

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Speaker 15: and like.

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Speaker 22: My name is Richard Gonzalez I first met Maria in

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Speaker 22: the early nineteen eighties, had a conference from minorities in

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Speaker 22: public radio and TV. We were both very young men.

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Speaker 22: We're trying to master the craft of radio production. She

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Speaker 22: was very generous with her time and attention and ultimately

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Speaker 22: with her vision for bringing the Latino experience to the

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Speaker 22: public radio audience. We owe Maria a great debt. She

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Speaker 22: has my undying respect. When the history of Latinos and

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Speaker 22: public broadcasting is written, an entire chapter will be devoted

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Speaker 22: to the untiring work and remarkable achievements of Maria Martin.

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Speaker 1: As it turns out, we all Latino and Latina LATINX

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Speaker 1: journalists in public media owe a great debt to Maria

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Speaker 1: Emilia Martin. We can't hope to repay it, but what

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Speaker 1: we can and will continue to do here on Latino

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Speaker 1: USA is to tell the underreported stories that Maria always

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Speaker 1: pushed us to report on, and to keep Maria's vision

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Speaker 1: for this show alive. So thank you, Madia Martin that

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Speaker 1: your favorite sign off was always with love and light,

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Speaker 1: and so we thank you for all of the love

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Speaker 1: and light you brought to so many, to me personally,

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Speaker 1: and to all of us at Latino USA. This episode

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Speaker 1: was produced by Victoria Estrada. It was edited by Marta Martinez.

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Speaker 1: It was mixed by Julia Caruso. Special thanks to the

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Speaker 1: staff of the Nettie Lee Benson Latin American Collection and

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Speaker 1: the University of Texas Libraries for retrieving historical recordings to

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Speaker 1: use in our show. The Latino USA team includes Renaldo

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Speaker 1: Lanos Junior, Andrea Lopez, Grusavo, Rori, mar Marquez, Mike Sargentnur Saudi,

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Speaker 1: and Nancy Trujiro. Benillei Ramirez is our co executive producer.

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Speaker 1: Our director of Engineering is Stephanie the Beaux. Additional engineering

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Speaker 1: support by gabriel Lebias and JJ Krubin. Our marketing manager

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Speaker 1: is Luis Luna. Our theme music was composed by Zanga Rubinos.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host and executive producer Mariano Josa. Join us

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Speaker 1: again on our next episode. In the meantime, look for

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Speaker 1: us on social media and remember and this one's for you,

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Speaker 1: Maria Martin not devayas lunka Chiao.

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Speaker 18: Latino USA is made possible in part by the Heising

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Speaker 18: Simons Foundation, unlocking knowledge, opportunity and possibilities more at hsfoundation

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Speaker 18: dot org, The Ford Foundation, working with visionaries on the

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Speaker 18: front lines of social change worldwide, and Latino.

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Speaker 15: USA thirtieth anniversary episodes are made possible with support from

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Speaker 15: our legacy sustainers, the Brett Family Foundation, Alonso Cantu, Carmen

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Speaker 15: Rita Wong Vamos Enterprises, the National Association of Hispanic Journalists,

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Speaker 15: April Gessler, doctor Elmo Randolph, Belinda de la Libertad, Angela

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Speaker 15: Garcia Simms, and Priscilla Rojas