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Speaker 1: It is Week six of the NFL season. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the twenty Mottle Podcast. I am Tim twenty minute and

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Speaker 1: I am joined by the Detroit and is this No

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Speaker 1: One Beyonce. He does great job covering the Lions with

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Speaker 1: the news. Also, the Grit Iron Podcast does a good

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciated me. It's a nice place you got

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Speaker 1: Bart does a great job setting all this up and

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Speaker 1: Let let's start with this first off, I can't believe

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Speaker 3: We're kind of rolling through this thing here. We are

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Speaker 3: That makes me sad. It makes me this is my

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. But look, both of us were in Cincinnati

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Speaker 5: And I think that was one of the big things

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Speaker 1: How great do those linebackers compliment each other wonderfully? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: All right, you've looked at the matchups. You've broken down

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Speaker 5: Is does you know now that they've put that on

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting listening to Shep this week

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Speaker 3: And I just I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: It should be a really fun matchup. They're going for

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Speaker 1: to the t one of the Hull podcasters Microsoft. I

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Speaker 1: am very happy to want them. A Meek Robertson cornerback

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Speaker 1: extraordinary for the Detroit Lions, and a Meek. I want

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Speaker 1: to start with this. We were talking to Calvin Sheppard

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Speaker 1: he said, this guy he had knee brace on. He

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Speaker 1: Where's that come from? Has that always been you?

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Speaker 7: I think I think it I honestly, you know, this

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Speaker 7: You know, it's just it's just my agenda now, you know.

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Speaker 7: So I've learned how to you know, use it, not

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Speaker 6: Use you know. I learned how to use it as

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Speaker 7: Right when someone tell me I can't do something, it

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Speaker 1: And there's something about you played such a terrific game

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Speaker 1: You play a physical game. You get yourself an interception

437
00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,919
Speaker 1: by playing that way. We go to you in the

438
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,840
Speaker 1: locker room. The first thing you talked about was a

439
00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,639
Speaker 1: touchdown you gave up, like because you were being a

440
00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,800
Speaker 1: little bit too aggressive. That's the best receiver in the game.

441
00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,840
Speaker 1: The first thing you thought about, not about the performance,

442
00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,119
Speaker 1: about allowing him to have fifty yards the whole game.

443
00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:55,080
Speaker 1: It was the touchdown that you talked about. Is that

444
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,959
Speaker 1: just part of that competitive spirit with you? Is it

445
00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,479
Speaker 1: wanting to be just so perfect?

446
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,679
Speaker 7: It definitely is, man because you know, sometimes you know,

447
00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,280
Speaker 7: make being his fall. You know, in my life at

448
00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,560
Speaker 7: playing the position I played, playing dB, I don't ever

449
00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 7: say I'm a corner on Nicol, I'm a dB, but

450
00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,399
Speaker 7: just making it this fall, you know, playing both of

451
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,239
Speaker 7: those positions, I had to be different. I had to

452
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,040
Speaker 7: do the you know, have crazy numbers. I had to

453
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,080
Speaker 7: do the unxtraordinary right. And that's and if I want to,

454
00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,320
Speaker 7: you know, if they give me an assignment, you know,

455
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,359
Speaker 7: to do that, I believe I have one hundred percent

456
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,120
Speaker 7: belief in myself that I can do that because I'm

457
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,160
Speaker 7: just highly competitive.

458
00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 6: Like this ain't nothing that you can fake.

459
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,480
Speaker 7: Like this is really who I am, right, and when

460
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,840
Speaker 7: I go out there, I know it's not going to

461
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,560
Speaker 7: be perfect, but I try to chase, like I try

462
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 7: to be perfect, right, But it's like what do you chase?

463
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,560
Speaker 7: You know, when when you out there, do you want

464
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,639
Speaker 7: to be mediocre or do you want to be one

465
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:48,800
Speaker 7: of the best in the elite. You know.

466
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,359
Speaker 6: That's and that's what I harp on.

467
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,240
Speaker 7: And now that I have a full opportunity to do that,

468
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 7: I want to take advantage of it, man, because I

469
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,199
Speaker 7: you know, I remember how you know, I know how

470
00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 7: the bottom feel. Man, I don't I don't want to

471
00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 7: go back. So that's why I tried to each and

472
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,879
Speaker 7: every day I step from on that grass.

473
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 6: Man. I'm highly competitive, and I got to point them prove.

474
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 1: You go back aways with Shep. What's that relationship like

475
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 1: between you two, because listen to him talk about you.

476
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 1: I mean his face just lit up, you know, and

477
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 1: he couldn't say enough good things about what you mean

478
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 1: to this football team with your ability to play the

479
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,880
Speaker 1: nickel go outside. One of the most underrated performances all

480
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 1: last year. You guys won fifteen games. It was that

481
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 1: Week eighteen game you had against Justin Jefferson. You know it.

482
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 1: Just being a guy that can just do anything, step

483
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 1: in when needed, play whatever, no complaints, aggressive, just Shep

484
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 1: seems to love it. What's that relationship like with you

485
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 1: in your new DC.

486
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 7: Men, Shep Man, you know, we have a great relationship

487
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 7: and it's the thing about it, like because he have

488
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 7: high expectations for him man like shep No, it's like SHEP.

489
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 7: Already know that I'm my worst critic. So it's certain

490
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 7: things that all he knew I could take accountability. He know,

491
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 7: he know why I want to be, you know, in

492
00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 7: in my current he knows that I'm hold on myself.

493
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 7: Of course, he know he got a pick bull, he

494
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,360
Speaker 7: know he got a dog in in me. But he's

495
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,679
Speaker 7: going to stay on me hard to continue, you know,

496
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 7: doing those little things because it's always a little It's

497
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 7: always the little things man, that you mess up in

498
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 7: the game when you you know, and it makes you

499
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 7: not not be perfect. So I love the standard and

500
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 7: the expectation that he set on it because it only

501
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 7: makes me makes me better. It's times in there that

502
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 7: I might have practice or whatever mess something up He'll

503
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 7: put on the big screen like a meek Like I

504
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 7: tell him, like, that's on me.

505
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

506
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 7: I already know you know what I'm saying, because you

507
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 7: know I could take that accountability because he know why

508
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 7: why I want to be and what iut, you know

509
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 7: what kind of player I want to be in this

510
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 7: lead man of relationship being been great, man, the relationship

511
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 7: being great, And all I want to do is prove

512
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 7: him right.

513
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 6: Of course, you know, prove proven to myself.

514
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 7: But I want to prove like, I want to show

515
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 7: him that that everything you say about me is true.

516
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 6: And that's what you want. Man, you got a coach

517
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 6: in your corner.

518
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 7: You want to go out there and and prove him right,

519
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 7: you know, And I have all all respect for us.

520
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: He seems like a guid to me, me that he'll

521
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: get on you and he's not afraid to, but five

522
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: minutes later he'll love you up too. And as a player,

523
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: you've got a problem. You gotta respect that because he

524
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: was a player. He wasn't in your shoes too, and

525
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: he knows how to maybe walk that fine line. Players

526
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: need some some toughness sometimes some hard love, right, but

527
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: but they also want a guy in their corners that

528
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,959
Speaker 1: that to me seems like Chef's genius is that he

529
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 1: can maybe told that line a little bit.

530
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 7: And the thing about it, like, that's what I want.

531
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 7: I don't want to I don't want to coach that. Okay,

532
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 7: he have talent, so I'm gonn kind of ease up

533
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,479
Speaker 7: on Nah. I like a hard coach because that's how

534
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 7: I was That's that's how I was brought up. I

535
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 7: was always brought up earning everything. So it's like, I

536
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 7: don't want to go out there and mess up money

537
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 7: and a coach don't tell me.

538
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 6: He kind of like, I don't.

539
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 7: I like that, and shep's fall from that. If you

540
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 7: if you make a mistake that he know that you

541
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 7: better than He's going to tell you about it and

542
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 7: you're gonna feel bad, but you're also gonna learn. It's

543
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 7: like a king when you do something bad and you

544
00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 7: get a whooping. But again, you know. So that's what

545
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 7: you want, man, And that's what you want. You want

546
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 7: a leader like that. You want a guy. But at

547
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 7: the end of the day, he know, he's he's telling

548
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 7: you that from a from a good you know, yeah,

549
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 7: from from place Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

550
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 6: What you want, man, that what you want.

551
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: You have the rare ability to play inside and outside

552
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: in this league. You're gonna do both this year, probably

553
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: all year long. Just what's the biggest difference of me

554
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: from playing inside to outside and what kind of skill

555
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: sets do you have to have as a player to

556
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: be able to do both?

557
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 6: And do both at a high level, like you can

558
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 6: do mindset. Man, it's a mindset.

559
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 5: Man.

560
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 7: You gotta some guys, don't me personally, I just want

561
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 7: to be on the field, man, I just want to

562
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 7: I just want to be on the field. And whenever

563
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 7: I'm out there, man, you know, whatever play play called.

564
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 7: I try to be myself within a scheme. That's what

565
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 7: they allow me to do. What they allow me to

566
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 7: be myself within a scheme, you know, and not be greeded.

567
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 7: Just play with my instincts and the game going most

568
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 7: of the time, like they tell me, the game gonna

569
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 7: come to me, don't don't, don't, don't be greeted. Just

570
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 7: just my play style of game is gonna come to me.

571
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

572
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 7: So I feel comfortable playing both, man, Like it really

573
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 7: don't even matter to me. I just I just want

574
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 7: to be on the field, and I will do whatever

575
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 7: I can to make to make plays and to help

576
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 7: the team as far as like either either or. I

577
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 7: think I like corner better though, because that guy's underestimate

578
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 7: you know, my size, Like Okay, we're gonna go go

579
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 7: at him. But I like it, you know, I I

580
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 7: embrace that because it gives me more opportunity to show

581
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 7: what I can do my ball skills and being able

582
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 7: to create turnose.

583
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 3: You guys play a lot of man here.

584
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: You seem perfect for that kind of of scheme. You

585
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: know a lot of corners love to play zone because

586
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: you can look in the backfield and there's more opportunities to

587
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: make big plays in yourself. But you seem to revel

588
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: in the in the man the man. Well, why is that?

589
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: Is it?

590
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 7: Like like I said before, man, mindset Man, It's just

591
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 7: it's it's me versus you, and like I'm just I'm

592
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 7: just highly highly competitive and playing DBS.

593
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 6: It's hard man, you know.

594
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 7: It's like you know, it's it's hard you going the

595
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 7: guy backwards, you know when you're out there. But I

596
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 7: am I just embrace it, like I want to play man.

597
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 7: You know, I enjoy playing man. Yeah, Zone is cool,

598
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 7: so I can watch the quarterback and jump stuff whatever,

599
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,239
Speaker 7: but playing man man is like, my job is to

600
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 7: just beat beat the guy in front me.

601
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: Okay, bet that competitiveness goes throughout everything. One of the

602
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: loudest maybe things that happened daily when we're in the

603
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: locker room. You are a pretty avid pool player. That

604
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: pool table. You are always honest. Uh Vaki's pretty good,

605
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: Montgomery's got a little bit of game. But who's the

606
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: best pool player in that locker room?

607
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 6: I mean it's in the most humblest way.

608
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: Man, that wouldn't be your style. For sure.

609
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 7: It's me, But sometimes sometimes the guy you take a loss.

610
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 7: But it's not always a loss, man, it's a lesson,

611
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 7: you know why. You know what, you know, when I

612
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 7: sit I see them play, I'm watching, you know, I'm

613
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 7: watching films. So when I play, you know, just just

614
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 7: not gonna be real. You know, I don't like to

615
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 7: keep it. You know, I'm gonna put it out there.

616
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 7: I just lost, you know what. It's always best out

617
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 7: of threes. Don't get too high because if you get

618
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 7: too high, the god come knock you all man.

619
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. So we got two more

620
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 6: games to play, you know, and I'm gonna win the

621
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 6: next team.

622
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: How those moments important? That that little time in between

623
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: practice meetings, you guys get to play ping pong, pool

624
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: build those relationships. Is that is that important part of

625
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: the day.

626
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 7: Very man, very important, because you you know, when you're there,

627
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 7: you going against each other.

628
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 6: It's competitive. You want to be out.

629
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 7: There, lea your job, right, but when you you know,

630
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 7: you come back in the locker room, man, it's all laughter,

631
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 7: and you know, we talk about practice and guys because

632
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 7: this is this is this is an ultimate team man,

633
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 7: like this ain't guys ain't faking it. Like guys really

634
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 7: want best, you know, want what's best for one another,

635
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 7: you know.

636
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 6: And when we're playing.

637
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 7: Pool, you know, it's it's it's all of course it's competitive,

638
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 7: but it's all fun and games.

639
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 5: Man.

640
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: You let people know when you win too.

641
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 3: Across the Yeah, yeah, I'll.

642
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 6: Be seeing the eyes man, you know.

643
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 7: I mean, you know they you know, they don't they

644
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 7: gonna if they beat me, they gonna make it loud.

645
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, get off the you know what I'm saying. So

646
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 6: when I win, I talk. I talk my stuff too.

647
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 7: Man.

648
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's let's talk and see real quick

649
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: before I let you go and get those two more

650
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: against against David in. Obviously you look at them. It

651
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: all starts with fifteen, right. Well, Andy Ree's been doing

652
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: it a long time at a really high level. He

653
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: kind of sets the tone. But fifteen is a hall

654
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Speaker 1: of fame guy.

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Speaker 3: Let's be real.

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Speaker 1: You know, if he were quit today be in the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. They got speed all over the place.

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Speaker 1: Something goes four two four two four three whatever. You know,

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Speaker 1: just when you watch him on film, when you're preparing

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Speaker 1: for him, what is maybe the most dangerous part of

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Speaker 1: that offense? What do you guys have to be really

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Speaker 1: good about Sunday night to get get get out of

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Speaker 1: there with the.

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Speaker 6: Win first and foremost?

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Speaker 7: Man, you know, mahomes Man fifteen one to five is

666
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Speaker 7: a heck of a playoff man. Once you know he's

667
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Speaker 7: a he's he's a magician, he's the engine to the call. Right,

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Speaker 7: you gotta do whatever you can to slow him down,

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Speaker 7: you know, you know, I see they like you know,

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Speaker 7: they got speed, they got but you know those guys

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Speaker 7: are you know some of them deep deep there, guys.

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Speaker 7: I think for us, man, we just gotta believe in

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Speaker 7: the plan, you know, believe in the plane. They do

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Speaker 7: a lot of emotions, you know, so being able to communicate,

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Speaker 7: you know, but we got some great communicators in Jack

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Speaker 7: and and Zoe and Barnes. You know they're gonna put

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Speaker 7: the defense in a in a right place, you know,

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Speaker 7: with with SEP calling those places as well.

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Speaker 6: So I think We're gonna be cool.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 7: You know, they're very explosive, but you know, we we

682
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Speaker 7: got the guys that you know Colow, those those explosive plays.

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Speaker 7: We just gotta trust trust one another, which we already do.

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Speaker 1: You guys faced a pretty explosive guy week three on

685
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Speaker 1: the road in Baltimore, similar situation. That defense stepped up

686
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Speaker 1: handled him. So hopefully you guys can do the same

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Speaker 1: with number fifteen, win five straight. You guys are rolling

688
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Speaker 1: right now. Make that defense is playing really well and

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Speaker 1: you're a big part of it. I appreciate taking the time.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate y'all. Thank y'all so much.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the twenty Minute and Huddle podcast because

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Speaker 1: in my Microsoft, I am very happy to welcome in.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Wolke does a great job covering everything Kansas City

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Speaker 1: used to be with the Kansas City Star has just

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Speaker 1: started with the athletic Congratulations on the new job, Jesse.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate it, Tim, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: All right, we Jes, we got to start with this.

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Speaker 1: This is a little bit strange going into a matchup

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Speaker 1: against Kansas City and seeing that record behind Kansas City

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Speaker 1: at two and three. What's been missing from this Chiefs

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Speaker 1: team through these first five weeks.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a really weird thing to talk about

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Speaker 4: with the Chiefs because it's coming off the season last

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Speaker 4: year where they were not apologizing for any close win

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Speaker 4: they could get. You know, if they kicked the ball

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Speaker 4: off the upright, it goes through and they win, they're like, hey,

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Speaker 4: won the game. You know, if they block a field

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Speaker 4: goal in the last play, it's like, hey, they made

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Speaker 4: the winning play to win the game. And so last

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Speaker 4: year twelve to zero and one score games for the Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: This year twenty twenty five, oh to three and one

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Speaker 4: score games, and so the script has completely flipped. The

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Speaker 4: Chiefs can't come out though and be like, oh, well

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Speaker 4: we're unlucky or things aren't going our way, because you know,

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Speaker 4: last year was the exact opposite, and nobody was turning

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Speaker 4: back in those wins when they started fifteen to one

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Speaker 4: and ended up making their way off the way to

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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. So we here from Patrick Mahomes this week,

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Speaker 4: so much just talking about winning plays, and you go

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Speaker 4: back to the Jaguars game and you know they just

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Speaker 4: lost on Monday Football thirty one to twenty eight, and

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Speaker 4: quarterback for the Jaguars Trevor Lawrencers, there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: credit for making some critical throws, falling down a couple

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Speaker 4: of times and getting up and scrambling in the end

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Speaker 4: zone for the one yard run. But those are the

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Speaker 4: types of plays that we were used to the Chiefs making.

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Speaker 4: And so we heard so many times when patri Mahomes,

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Speaker 4: he said winning plays, winning plays, and really the Chiefs

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Speaker 4: have come pretty close in the margins to making a

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Speaker 4: couple of those plays that would make them either three

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Speaker 4: and two or four and one. You saw in the

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Speaker 4: Eagles game earlier this year, they had a touchdown potentially

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Speaker 4: to Travis Kelcey. He bobbles the ball, it goes off

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Speaker 4: his hands, and the Eagles intercept that pass that becomes

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Speaker 4: the biggest play of the game. So it's crazy to

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Speaker 4: talk about a season after and basically having the same

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Speaker 4: roster come back saying, hey, this chief team hasn't made

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Speaker 4: the clutch plays late. But they haven't made the clutch

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Speaker 4: plays late, and that really has been something that we

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Speaker 4: have not been used to seeing, especially recently for a

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Speaker 4: team under Andy Reid.

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Speaker 1: You know, another thing for an Andy led team, and

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Speaker 1: I know it was a difference late in that game

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Speaker 1: Monday night too, was penalties. You know, they had thirteen

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Speaker 1: of them, I think against Jacksonville. I went back and looked.

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Speaker 1: I think they're at forty two for the season, which

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Speaker 1: I think is top three or top five in the league.

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Speaker 1: Very uncharacteristic of a pretty veteran team there in Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: How have the penalty issues kind of creeped up and

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Speaker 1: been at issue along with those like you mentioned game

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Speaker 1: changing plays? Well, game changing penalties as we saw at

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Speaker 1: the end of that Jacksonville game where they thought they

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Speaker 1: had it won there on a broken up play in

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Speaker 1: the end zone and it becomes first down in the touchdown.

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Speaker 1: How much are penalties kind of creeping in uncharacteristically for

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Speaker 1: this team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm glad to say that word uncharacteristic, because that's

758
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Speaker 4: the sort of thing that Andy Reid. If we know

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Speaker 4: anything the Chiefs or anything, it's like they're long training camps.

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Speaker 4: They get the details down, they do things correctly, and

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Speaker 4: then they're disciplined. And thirteen penalties for one hundred and

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Speaker 4: nine yards is the opposite of what you would consider disciplined.

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Speaker 4: And so you know, penalties can be fluky, and I

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Speaker 4: don't think I need to tell you this, Tim Like

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Speaker 4: they have a ten see to sometimes go away when

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Speaker 4: you're at home and pop up when you're on the road.

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Speaker 4: So sometimes those things happen as well, and so maybe

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Speaker 4: the Lions will have a little bit of a different

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Speaker 4: or experience against the Chiefs than you know, what the

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Speaker 4: Jaguars had in their particular game. But yeah, this is

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Speaker 4: you hear any retalking about. He's like, I've got to

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Speaker 4: get it fixed. This has got to get fixed. And

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Speaker 4: this is like top of mind for him when you're

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Speaker 4: talking to him in his press conference this week, because

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Speaker 4: uncharacteristic is the word. This is not what we're used

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Speaker 4: to seeing from the Chiefs, and so many of those

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Speaker 4: things went against them. The other thing you reference this

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Speaker 4: as well, but four special teams penalties, and Dave Tobe

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Speaker 4: has been the top of the NFL in terms of

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Speaker 4: special teams coaches for a long time now, you know,

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Speaker 4: going back to his Bears days and Devin Hester, and

782
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Speaker 4: we are so used to the Chiefs just getting these

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Speaker 4: little edges in special teams every single game in past years,

784
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Speaker 4: whether it's Harrison Bucker kicking clutch field goals or them

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Speaker 4: getting great returns in games that they really need them,

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Speaker 4: and so it's really jarring when you watch a game

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Speaker 4: and you see the special team is the difference in

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Speaker 4: between the Chiefs losing instead of winning. And that's what

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Speaker 4: we saw last game again, four penalties. They kick the

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Speaker 4: ball out of bounce to give the Jaguars the ball

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Speaker 4: on the forty yard line for their game winning drive.

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Speaker 4: So a lot of things went wrong there. I'd expect

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Speaker 4: a couple of those things to get fixed pretty quickly,

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Speaker 4: and the penalties and special teams will be at the top.

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Speaker 1: Of the list. Just one of the key matchups this weekend. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Detroit's defense is playing pretty well, especially their front seven.

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Speaker 1: They've got some injuries in the secondary they're they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to deal with, and you talk to those

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Speaker 1: guys in the front seven, they say, look, we've got

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Speaker 1: to step up this week. We've got to create a

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Speaker 1: little bit more pressure. Give those guys who are going

802
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Speaker 1: to be plugging and playing in the back end a

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Speaker 1: little bit more time to do what they need to do.

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Speaker 1: Detroit second in the league in sacks with sixteen after

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Speaker 1: five weeks. But this Kansas City offensive line, I watched

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Speaker 1: them on Monday and I've watched them throughout the year,

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Speaker 1: especially on the tackles tackle spots, they're playing pretty good football.

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Speaker 1: How key is that matchup this week coming in against

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Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson and those guys who are really getting after

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. But Kansas City, at least to me, seems

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Speaker 1: like they're playing pretty good up front, especially on the edges.

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Speaker 1: Am I correct?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's crazy because you think back everybody

814
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Speaker 4: watched the Super Bowl obviously and saw exactly where the

815
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Speaker 4: Chiefs went wrong is they could not protect Patrick Mahomes

816
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Speaker 4: and Eagles players were just streaming through the line through

817
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Speaker 4: the whole game and he couldn't get comfortable. It's been

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Speaker 4: crazy to watch Patter Mahomes the last two or three

819
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Speaker 4: weeks because he has gotten comfortable, he's sat back in

820
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Speaker 4: the pocket, he's trusted his protection. A lot of that

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Speaker 4: goes to Josh Simmons you're talking about on the left

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Speaker 4: tackle spot. I know there's a next gen stat out

823
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Speaker 4: there that just came out this week that said, I

824
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Speaker 4: think he's the fifth lowest pressure rate of any left

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Speaker 4: tackle in football so far this season. I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: been a godsend for them on the left side. And

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Speaker 4: you know, Juwan Taylor on the right side has been

828
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Speaker 4: inconsistent with penalties and the lining up off sides and all,

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Speaker 4: you know, some holding penalties things like that, and not

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Speaker 4: great in the run game, but as far as past

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Speaker 4: protection goes, he's been pretty solid and that's sort of

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Speaker 4: what his MO has been throughout his NFL career. But

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Speaker 4: it's all led to like, if those two spots are secure,

834
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Speaker 4: you've got Trey Smith, and you've got Creed Humphrey. And

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Speaker 4: now you've got Kingsley Swumati in the second year who's

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Speaker 4: really emerging and coming on. And you mentioned this no

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Speaker 4: sacks last week for the Jaguars, a pretty good Jaguars

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Speaker 4: defensive front coming in against the Chiefs, and Patrick Mahomes

839
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Speaker 4: is sitting back there. He's playing as well as he's

840
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Speaker 4: played a long time. And so this is really an

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Speaker 4: interesting dynamic and interesting contradiction when you look at the Chiefs,

842
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Speaker 4: because last week against the Jaguars, seven point six yards

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Speaker 4: per play. You do that against almost any team you

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Speaker 4: win the football game. And again, the Chiefs have a

845
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Speaker 4: pick six from their one yard line that goes to

846
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Speaker 4: other direction. You have all these penalties they have. Weird

847
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 4: things go against them, you end up losing, but their

848
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 4: offense really is ascending at the right time. I would say, still,

849
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Speaker 4: you know, if they're gonna get after a guy, you know,

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Speaker 4: Josh Simmons is still a rookie and he's still in

851
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Speaker 4: his first year, and there still have been moments where

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00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 4: he struggled with hand placement and knowing exactly where to hit. Guys,

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Speaker 4: especially really talented guys like a Hutchinson would be in there,

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Speaker 4: So that'll be a great matchup to watch in this game.

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Speaker 4: That's been a part of the reason the Chiefs offense

856
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 4: has been emerging as of late. But there is always

857
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Speaker 4: sort of that hold your breath moment because you put

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Speaker 4: a rookie against a really talented player like Hutchinson and

859
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 4: crazy things can't happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mentioned the injuries the Lions are dealing with earlier.

861
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Speaker 1: You're down to their third cornerback out there, and you

862
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Speaker 1: might have to plug in place some other guys at

863
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Speaker 1: some certain boss will see if Taylor Decker's back at

864
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Speaker 1: left tackle after he missed last week. How are the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs injury wise anything of concern heading into this week

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Speaker 1: or are they pretty good?

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Speaker 4: I mean it is It is crazy talking about this

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Speaker 4: two and three team, tim because I just wrote at

869
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Speaker 4: the Athletic this morning about like they're two and three

870
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 4: but potentially four signs they can turn it around. Their

871
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 4: injury report yesterday they had no one limited in practice,

872
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 4: no one like on there to broster, no one.

873
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: They're missing nobody.

874
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 4: And so like you look at all these signs, like

875
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 4: you know, Vegas loves them right now, they're like if

876
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 4: you've made a Vegas Sportsbook power ranking that you used

877
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: to be third, they'd be the top team in the AFC.

878
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 4: They're two and three, so they're still saying, oh, this

879
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 4: is a really good team. Patrick Mahomes right now in

880
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 4: the sports betting odds, he's second in the MVP voting

881
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 4: right now, only behind Josh Allen and three. Like, if

882
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 4: you're gonna say, tell me there were two and three

883
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 4: going into the season, you'd be like, oh, Mahome's not

884
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 4: trusting is his you know O line? And maybe he's

885
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: not playing well. He's second in MVP voting and they're struggling.

886
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 4: I just mentioned the offensive lines playing as well as

887
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 4: they could hope. Uh, but yeah, you add that to it,

888
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 4: like Christian Fulton's the main guy a cornerback that he's

889
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 4: been out with ankle injuries and knee injuries, but he

890
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 4: could be back for this game. He was a full

891
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 4: participant yesterday, Omar Norman Lott. He's their second round defensive tackle.

892
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 4: They desperately need defensive tackles to be in their next

893
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: to Chris Jones, and he was a full participant yesterday

894
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 4: in practice, so you expect him back out there against

895
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 4: the Lions. The Chiefs not only are sort of emerging offensively,

896
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 4: they're getting healthy and there really aren't many excuses for

897
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 4: them to not win football games, even against tough opponents

898
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 4: coming up, and to try to get their season turned around.

899
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 4: So it is crazy looking. You know, they just played

900
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: the Ravens a couple weeks ago. You know how injuries

901
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: can totally derail the season off that happens. But this

902
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 4: Chiefs team right now, for them knock on wood. I mean,

903
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 4: they are as healthy as they could be heading into

904
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 4: the stretch where they desperately need some wins.

905
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: We I'm curious from you, what's the key matchup? What

906
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: does Kansas City have to do to defend home turf

907
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: Sunday night national broadcast. Obviously they've got to get right,

908
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: a big game for them going to and four. That

909
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: puts you behind the eight ball. What's the matchup that

910
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: they're looking at that they say, Hey, we've got to

911
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: win this matchup to be able to knock Detroit off

912
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: and get this thing back rolling.

913
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 4: So, if I'm being honest with you, Tim, like the

914
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 4: first year I cover the Chiefs was back in their

915
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 4: Super Bowl victory against the Eagles, and that team was

916
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: offense led, And I think this team is getting to

917
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: that point, like they are emerging offensively at the right time.

918
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 4: They're about to get Rashi Rice back next week, and

919
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 4: already the offense is taking steps to say, hey, this

920
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: is the sort of thing we saw from the Chiefs

921
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 4: four years ago, five years ago, six years ago. The defense,

922
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 4: to me is taken a little bit of a step back.

923
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 4: And so if I'm looking at matchups and I'm looking

924
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 4: at strengths versus weaknesses, I think the biggest thing for

925
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 4: the Lions in this game is they are so good

926
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: under center, they are so good with play action, and

927
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 4: the Chiefs are worse than the NFL in both of

928
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 4: those measures. So the Chiefs face a real struggle right now.

929
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 4: I just talked about the defensive tackle depth. They have

930
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 4: Chris Jones, obviously i'll pro been great, but beside him,

931
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 4: they've had some real issues, especially stopping them on Derek

932
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 4: Noddy they traded back from the Jets early in the season.

933
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 4: He has not been very productive for them. And they

934
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 4: have great downhill tackling safeties, great downhill tackling cornerbacks, great

935
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: downhill tackling linebackers, especially Nick Bolton in the middle. But

936
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 4: what happens is because they're sort of making up for

937
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: that gap on the interior, they have those guys flow

938
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 4: so hard downhill that if you go play action, if

939
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 4: you go under center, you get them. And that's what

940
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: you saw if you go back to the tape of

941
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 4: the Chargers game in Week one, justin Herbert over and

942
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 4: over under center, play action, linebackers flowing downhill, huge spaces

943
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: in the intermediate, huge spaces on inbreaking routes. To mean,

944
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 4: that's the biggest matchup of this game, because if the

945
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 4: Lions can do what they do well, if they can

946
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: establish that and if they can hit on those sorts

947
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 4: of passes, that really is the basis of their offense.

948
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 4: You know, hit some runs, hit some runs and then

949
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 4: get behind those linebackers and those free flowing guys downhill

950
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 4: and get those intermediate chunkyard games. It's gonna be real

951
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: hard for the Chiefs. I mean, this is gonna have

952
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 4: to be a shootout for them to win. They potentially

953
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 4: can win it. Patrick Mahomes and the offense is looking

954
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 4: really good right now. But in terms of that rank

955
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 4: versus weakness matchup, look at in breakers, look middle of

956
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 4: the field, look play action. That's where the Chiefs have

957
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 4: struggled mightily this season. And that's an area where the

958
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 4: Lions have been really, really good.

959
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have been really You have a ton of

960
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: Lions fans smiling ear to ear right now hearing that

961
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: from you. Because Jared Golf is one of the best

962
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: in the league at play action. The Lions offense is

963
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: one of the best of the league, and I contend

964
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: that Jared Golf is one of the best in you know,

965
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: intermediate en route cutting throwers in this league. The Detroit

966
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: wants to attack the center of a defense with the

967
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: run game, with the play action game, and then they

968
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: want to hit Jamison Williams, one of the top five

969
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: fastest players in this league, who's you know, had a

970
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: couple you know, quiet weeks they're going to look to

971
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: get him going. Maybe this is a week they try

972
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: to get right with that Jesse. Lions were in Kansas

973
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: City two years ago for the season opener. Kind of

974
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: ruined that that Super Bowl banner presentation by the Chiefs.

975
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm just curious two years later, obviously these teams look

976
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: a lot different. But who's a new guy that maybe

977
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: Lions fans don't know. Whether it's a young guy free agent,

978
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: maybe not one of those big name Kansas City guys

979
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: that we've gotten used to in their run over the years.

980
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: But who's the guy that could maybe make an impact

981
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: Sunday night that that Lions fans aren't real familiar with

982
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: and maybe they should get familiar with.

983
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, this is a joke, I know. If this

984
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 4: is so, let me say that up front. But Chris

985
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 4: Jones is a guy that didn't play in that Lions game,

986
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 4: only showed him in the press box, remember with his

987
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 4: age holding out, So that'll be a guy to get

988
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 4: to know. He'll be motivated this week. It was crazy

989
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 4: because the last play of the game, when Trevor Lawrence

990
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 4: had that one yard touchdown run and dove in you know,

991
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: the highlights basically showed that Chris Jones was kind of

992
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 4: just standing in a spot and didn't hustle to the place.

993
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 4: So he's faced some kind of widespread criticism this week,

994
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 4: you know, from people out there to not hustle. Now, listen,

995
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 4: Chris Jones is out there for almost every snap. It's

996
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 4: crazy how much he plays, and so I definitely would

997
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: extend him some grace there. But I think they're gonna

998
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 4: get a motivated player there. But a couple of names

999
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 4: to keep in mind. I did mention Omar Norman Lott,

1000
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 4: who should be coming back from soldier shoulder injury in

1001
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 4: the middle. He just brings so much pass rush juice

1002
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: next to Chris Jones. And really the two games the

1003
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: Chiefs lost in Week one and last week, they both

1004
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 4: came down to the same thing, which was they needed

1005
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 4: third and long stops at the end of the game

1006
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 4: and couldn't get them because a guy like Chris Jones

1007
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 4: had just played almost every snap and so getting him back.

1008
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 4: He was one of the top guys in terms of

1009
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 4: pressure rates in college last year at Tennessee. He's real

1010
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 4: springy on the inside and so he potentially could make

1011
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 4: a play there. And then another guy emerging offensive that

1012
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 4: has definitely a guy to watch is seventh round pick

1013
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: Berchard Smith. I don't mean this in the way that

1014
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 4: a lot of Chiefs fans think I mean it, but

1015
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 4: he is sort of like a mcicole Hardman to them.

1016
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 4: He is sort of like a Kadarius Tony to them

1017
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 4: in that he was a receiver most of his college

1018
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 4: career transition to running back last year. But the Chiefs

1019
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 4: are playing him like a gadget player. They're playing him like, hey,

1020
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 4: you take an end to a round, you take a quick

1021
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 4: screen on the outside, And he has a great burst,

1022
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 4: great speed, and he's getting more involved with the offense

1023
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 4: week by week, and so their running backs to the Chiefs

1024
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 4: running backs don't have too much explosive dynamic ability, but

1025
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 4: Burchard Smith is a guy who can break one. But

1026
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 4: look for him sort of into creative plays, the pop passes,

1027
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 4: you know, the quick screens of the outside, and like

1028
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 4: I said, eight week by week he's giving them more

1029
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 4: and more plays, adding more and more to the playbook.

1030
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: The more he can take on mentally, the more he's

1031
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 4: gonna help the Chiefs here. Throughout the course of the

1032
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: rest of the season.

1033
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: All right, last one for you, Jesse. I'm curious what

1034
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: have Chiefs players and coaches said about this matchup said

1035
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: about this Detroit Lions team coming in obviously four and one,

1036
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: they've won four straight, looking for five straight, playing pretty

1037
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: well in all three phases. I'm just curious what have

1038
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: they kind of said about what kind of game they

1039
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: expect Sunday night in Kansas City.

1040
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think Dan Campbell has brought this

1041
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 4: mentality that you know, even if you're not following the

1042
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 4: lines closely, you think of them in a certain way.

1043
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 4: You think of them as aggressive, physical, and I can't

1044
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 4: tell you. I mean, it was at least repeated three

1045
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 4: or four times by Patrick Mahomes in his press conference

1046
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 4: where he said, we have to match their mindset, their mentality,

1047
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 4: their aggressiveness, all those sorts of things. So the Chiefs

1048
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 4: are expecting a battle in this one. The other thing

1049
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 4: that'll be interested in is last week against the Jaguars.

1050
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: Andy Reid thought the course of the season, he's been

1051
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 4: really aggressive on fourth downs, and the Chiefs were not

1052
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 4: aggressive against the Jaguars. A couple fourth and twos they

1053
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: punted early. But we know what the Lions do man.

1054
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: And it's funny because when Andy Reid played at home

1055
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 4: against the Ravens and Harbaugh like the Chiefs went for

1056
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 4: a lot of fourth downs because I think in Andy's mind,

1057
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 4: he sort of matches what he thinks he has to

1058
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 4: do for the other team. And so this is probably

1059
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 4: bad news for Lions fans obviously, But I think two

1060
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 4: and three at home and with what the Lions do,

1061
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 4: I think you're gonna get a and Andy Reid that's

1062
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: as aggressive as he's going to be in any game,

1063
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 4: any matchup. And like I said, the Chiefs, their backs

1064
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 4: are against the wall right now. It doesn't seem like it

1065
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 4: if you go under the hood and look at their

1066
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 4: advanced stats. It doesn't seem like if you look at

1067
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: their injury report or how Patrick Mahomes is playing. But

1068
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 4: they desperately need to win that they need to get

1069
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 4: to three and three and get Rashid Rice back next

1070
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 4: week and try to kind of change the course of

1071
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 4: the season. But I would expect the Chiefs to come

1072
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 4: out with a lot of emotion, a lot of physicality,

1073
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 4: and a lot of aggressiveness because they are going to

1074
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 4: try to match what they leave.

1075
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: The lines are gonna bring to Arrowhead and you know

1076
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: that place is going to be rocking Sunday night on

1077
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: Sunday Night football. It'll be a great atmosphere. Two really

1078
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: good football teams. I don't care what the record says.

1079
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: When you have Patrick Mahomes and that guy steps on

1080
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: the field, you've got a shot every single week. Their

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Speaker 1: backs are a little bit against the wall. Detroit's rolling,

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Speaker 1: so such an interesting dynamic Sunday Night in Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: You will be there covering everything from Kansas City perspective.

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Speaker 1: I got Detroit covered. It should be a great matchup. Jesse,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for taking the time. I appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you Sunday night.

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Speaker 4: Sounds good to appreciate it.