WEBVTT - L.A.B. Golf - Part 5: "Brett Rumford" - The Fire Pit w/ Matt Ginella 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.360 Getting it in the hands of the greatest players in 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:09.680 the world, that's the number one thing, that's the convincing part. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:12.559 And then when Lucas Glover, that's classic case in point, 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.320 you know, wins back to back at possibly the most 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:20.840 critical time of the year. So just so and off 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.560 things go, so and more and more people will Zelatorus 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:26.480 is playing great. He's just had twenty two puts today 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:30.680 in the third round of the Genesis Invitational at Riviera, 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.159 which is arguably possibly some of the toughest greens to 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.559 put on with the poe of their pure but tricky breaking. 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:41.560 I think he'll hold over well. The footage of puts 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.960 was crazy, and really at the end of the day, 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.120 winning all comes down to putting, basical at the end 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.400 of the day. So I'm just waiting for Scotti Scheffler 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.400 to get one in his hands and the world, the 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:58.240 world will be a better place for him. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.240 Put another log on all the five. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.759 Nobody here is given time. 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.760 Welcome to the fire pit with Matt Chanella. Here we 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.039 go part five of this story about how and why 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.839 lab Golf has stormed the gates of the old guards 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:26.160 of putting and the technology in putters. From Bill Pressey's 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.800 issues with his putter in twenty twelve. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:35.080 LAB was ultimately started as a as a desperate attempt 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.160 to fix my own yips, because I had the yips 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:43.160 really bad, like I was shaking, like the putter when 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:47.919 I took it back, maybe rotated in thirty three different 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:49.560 directions by different degrees. 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:49.960 It is, just. 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.120 Couldn't stop it. 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:56.760 To Press's garage where he invents his revealer and ultimately 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.280 the original directed force putter, which he sold at the 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:04.160 trunk of his car. People like Matt Holme and Stuart 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.040 Smith had a big impact on the boutique business. Then 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:09.560 along comes Sam Han. 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.680 They were about to close the doors, and I'd ask 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:13.959 Bill to put me in touch with the guys that 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.800 he was partnered with, worked out a deal with them. Me, 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.440 my dad, and my brother all put everything together and 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.480 bought out Bill's existing partners. And that's how the whole thing, 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:29.320 that's how LAB started. So then at that point, so 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:33.959 that was late twenty seventeen, I think we were officially, 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:39.440 you know, business married in early twenty eighteen, and we 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:40.400 were off to the races. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.280 Through some hustle and sweat marketing. Han gets putters in 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:49.360 the bags of Jeff Sluman, von Taylor, people like Kelly Slater, 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.920 the eleven time world champion of surfing and scratch golfer, 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:57.040 founded on his own but was influencing others. 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.360 I've just spoken about the club to anyone and anyone 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.200 who wants to listen, and generally I'll just play with 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:04.960 people and they'll see me roll the ball and it 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.600 just rolls so pure off the club that they can't 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:09.079 help but ask about it. 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.520 So Leader's friendship with Adam Scott leads to Scott not 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.360 only trying one, he made it his gamer. 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.880 There's a fabulous stuff going on with the lab from 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:23.360 the grip to the head, other angles in between, and 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.320 being so non traditional it raised his eyebrows for sure. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.240 But I just had this sense like this, you know, 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.080 if you can embrace what this potter does and stay 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.200 out of your own way, the results could come. And 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.320 I just had this feeling and I said it to Sam, 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.680 although it didn't pan out, but like, this was the 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.400 potter that can win around Augusta. 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.480 We ended Part four with independent validation from Adam Beach 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:47.640 of My Golf Spy. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.280 I think it's unfortunate, you know, golfers aren't as willing 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.800 to try unconventional things. But if more golfers were willing 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.160 to try this unconventional putter, I'm very confident that more 0:03:58.200 --> 0:03:59.640 golfers would sink more cuts. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.640 So you're caught up again. Lab Golf is rolling literally 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.600 and figuratively, and we're building to the Lucas Glover story, 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.960 which will include insight and thoughtful reflections from Glover, plus 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.840 his agent, one of his best friends, a Navy seal, 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.440 the Lab Tour Rep. Han Pressey, and a few more. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.840 But before the back to back wins in August of 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.880 twenty twenty three, we're going back to twenty eighteen to 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.880 a hitch in Lab Golf's giddeup to a time in 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.160 the company's history in which they received pushback from an 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:39.560 Australian short game guru, a journeyman who's widely respected for 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:44.320 his articulate takes on chipping and putting and in this case, 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:51.200 for questioning labs lie angle and balance. Here's Sam Hahn again, 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.520 the CEO of Lab Golf. 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:59.400 You're Brett Rumford. Yeah, Robbie, Yeah, there's a fucking legend, 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:00.360 absolutely the. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.000 Guy and how does he fit in. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.880 Bits in twice? This is great, so very early on 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.159 he gets it. So he's a thinker. So he's always 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:14.520 been an extraordinarily competent putter. But what's different about him 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:18.800 than like a Brad Faxon is that like Brett's like, 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:21.919 I'm gonna put well because I know how a putter 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.600 needs to move, so I'm happy to try anything because 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.720 I can make the putter move how it needs to move. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.360 So he was always tinkering and always trying. He was 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.600 actually one of the first guys to be super competent 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.520 with a broomstick, despite the fact that, again he was 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:42.240 already a very competent putter. And so he emails us 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.920 very early on, maybe twenty eighteen, because there was there. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.680 We had a weird little presence in Australia because Bill's 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:55.520 dad is actually Australian, so we had some putters over there. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:57.839 Runny got a hold of one there and he emails 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.960 us and kind of gives us some feedback, and he's like, 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.080 you know, I get what you guys are trying to do, 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.120 but the way that this thing sets up is fucked, 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.919 And I'm like, well, what do you mean. He's like, 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.520 it doesn't sold properly because if I put your press 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.160 grip you know, I don't know if you've seen him enough. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.000 Like the crooked grip we got on the putters there, 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.640 if I actually put that thing to neutral, the face 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.720 opens up. And at this point, I mean, this is 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.080 this is like literally year one of my education and 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.360 the whole putting role, and I'm like, I have no 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:29.359 idea what you're talking about. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.280 Brett Rumford of Perth, Australia plays on the PGA Tour 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:38.040 of Australasia. He won the nineteen ninety eight Australian Amateur 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.000 and he won the nineteen ninety nine PGA Tour of 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:47.400 Australasia's an Z Players Championship. As an amateur after turning 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.919 pro in two thousand, he has won six European Tour events. 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.919 He played twenty six events on the PGA Tour in 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.240 two thousand and eight, where he made ten cuts and 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.000 had one top ten at the Bob Hope Chrysler Classic. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.760 His best finish in a major was a T sixteen 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.720 at the two thousand and six Open Championship at Royal Liverpool, 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:11.520 which was won by Tiger Woods. When's the first time 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:17.480 you remember seeing or hearing about or holding it or like, 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.480 what when did directed force or Lab golf show up 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:21.080 on your radar. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:23.840 I think I might have been. I was in Europe, 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.160 just traveling around, but there was a facility where we 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.640 played in Denmark, which was amazing. But there's a gentleman 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:36.720 there that actually had a proper putting lab started the art, 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.600 had all the equipment. So that was the first time 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.920 actually had seen the lab potters. So they which was 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.000 the original Direct Force, which is a real big head, 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.520 a little bit obscure, looking really random, but had all 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.440 the tech in it, crazy stable at the full, you know, 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.880 all the tech. So that was the first time I'd 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:59.640 seen it. And then from that meeting, the guy offered 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:01.240 me actually to take a few homes, so I took 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.480 a few home with varying lengths and lives. But this 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.520 is where I sort of saw the discrepancy with the 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.320 product in which they fixed subsequently, and they're doing a 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.280 great job with it. The thing with it is that 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.480 with the direct Force when they first came out, because 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:18.880 of that varyingly angle and length, that would change the 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.600 fixed point of where the radius would sit at the 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.600 end of the golf club. So what I found was 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.320 the wall the putter would still have the same effect 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.280 so it could sit more or less open or closed. 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.480 And I kind of just gave this feedback to one 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.720 of the guys at the facility, which I think got 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.840 back to LAB and they kind of blew up and said, 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.800 you know, the product you know was great and everything else, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.640 and it was just my feedback. Anyways, that was my 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.880 first introduction to LAB. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:50.959 We go back and forth, and like I knew it 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.040 was a tour pro, but he was being a super 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:57.200 pain in the ass and just like relentlessly telling us 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:03.040 how stupid we are. The interaction actually ended in him 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:04.000 telling me to fuck off. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:05.600 I don't know if you said it to them or 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.800 they Sam said it to you or whatever. It was 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.480 like a fuck off, you know. It was like, you know, 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:14.120 your feedback kind of devastated. It was kind of devastating 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.199 to him because he was like, wait a minute, you 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.160 know this guy's he's undermining our whole this is our 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.160 whole company. Yeah, of a sudden, you know you're coming 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.040 in and it was like that's what he said. Now 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:25.680 was that him to you or you to him? What 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:26.079 was there? 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:30.400 Yeah? No, no, no, I was very look, hey, I'm 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:35.600 I'm one for It's really weird because I'm so far 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.679 as practice concerned. I don't know why, but I can 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.960 see things within within product that might be you know, 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:45.800 maybe not thought of or misaligned or otherwise anyway. For 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:47.959 some reason, I just think of these things, and when 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.480 I put it down, I'm very much probably was right 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.280 in my I guess forte, you know, because with my 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.760 mirror putting and everything else, I really got to make 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.959 sure my nineties are all all good and well. But 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.880 I just noticed some was wrong with this butter. I 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.160 took some photos and I sent it back to the 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.320 gentleman at this at this facility, and then obviously he 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.200 made the email and made contact with Sam, which then 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.640 subsequently told me to fuck off and went like nuts 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.600 nuts nuts. So two days later I got the feedback 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.640 and I went, okay, no, what I said, Look, it's 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.000 only my feedback, but look, you know what, yeah, if 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:27.040 there's and I'm look, I'm not saying with I'm not 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.600 saying that I'm smart. I'm just saying, hey, look this 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.920 is what I see, and yeah, there's there's people in 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:39.720 that facility that are like crazy smart, crazy smart. Yeah, 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:43.480 so but it is what it is. So but that 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.400 I don't have the I don't have the smarts to 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.840 work out how to fix it. That was their job, 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.400 and it's just great that that they've got on board 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:52.719 with it. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:57.079 Worse noting and as it relates to dates, my original 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:01.000 interview with Han was in August of twenty twenty three. 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.640 About. 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:08.240 Six about six months ago. He reaches out again and 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.720 he's like, I've been using your mes one for you know, 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.800 however long things Absolutely brilliant. You fix the issue that 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:19.160 I was talking about, which I still kind of don't understand. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.800 I mean I do I actually that's a lie. When 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.280 he reached out about the MEZ, I still didn't understand it. 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:27.760 I've since gotten some FaceTime with him and I totally 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.560 get it now and he's spot on correct. But what 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.160 was so cool about Brett was is that he went 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.200 through that whole thing that I did. He went through 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.679 that that that hangover period, and he stuck with it 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.840 because he knew there was something there. And so he 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.319 was here in June, came to the factory in June, 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.520 spent a couple of days here blowing all of our 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:54.800 minds and listening to Brett, you know, who's a very 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.560 well respected short game nerd. You know, I mean people 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:04.679 who know about putting. No Brett Rumfort and he uh, 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:12.000 he's telling me in his words, my whole stick, he's 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.240 telling you know, his the way that he puts it, 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.120 you know, like my tagline is like, you know you've 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:19.600 in the past you have to keep a face square, 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.240 and with us, all you have to do is let 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.080 a face stay square. And his whole thing is you 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.520 have to let go of control to gain control. That's 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:30.080 how how he describes, you know, what the what the 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:30.760 feeling is. 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.679 I think for me, I think the real light bulb 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:39.400 moment was like I've always thought the the technology in 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.400 the putter was was fantastic, Like I'm all on board 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:46.280 with it, and it truly is in terms of all 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.560 the stuff that's out there. It is definitely, you know, 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.160 cutting edge, and it is probably the only technology in 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:57.840 terms of what it is that actually is is different 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.480 to the rest. You know, it's it's literally zero talk 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.240 in every sense of the word. So when I was 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:08.440 playing not Yourself, I've been playing sort of like very 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.600 sparsely these days, doing a lot of coaching as well. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.280 But we had a local tournament here thirty six goals 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.199 but still winnings, winning isn't it. You know, you're still 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.120 going to go through the same process as you're still 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.160 you know, you're still competing at a high level with 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:25.560 the local professionals here. But I got into a playoff 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.640 and hold a great put on seventeen and the rest. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:34.040 But obviously with that heightened sense of adrenaline emotion, everything 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.640 else that starts to come out. Your senses get really 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.679 really alive. You know, they just buzz, They're just everything 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.000 that should feel, cease, smell, tusks, just everything is just 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.400 is alive. Right, it's alert. You're very aware of your 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.800 surroundings internally externally. But I had a thirty footer down 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.760 the hill, double breaker, crazy. It was a new green 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.280 Graham Marsh design. So for those that know Graham Marsh 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.960 is eight greens are always a little bit indifferent. They're 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.120 pretty funky tears ridges all over the place, but that's 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.480 his thing. So I had a really tricky part. But 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:10.600 all you can do in these situations is just try 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.640 and hit the best possible part you can. That's all 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.240 you're hoping for, and then you just basically let you 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.160 know what the golf and gods do the rest. But 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.760 when I stood over this thing. When I stood over 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.840 the part and I pulled the truth. As soon as 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:30.360 I took it away, there was just nothing within my hands. 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.480 It was just nothing. It was empty. And then when 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.040 I made the transition, it was still empty and there 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:37.880 was just there was no tension, there was no there 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.600 was no fight, there was no grab, there was nothing. 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.800 It kind of the part of just it just fell. 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:45.640 And as soon as I struck the part, all I 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.800 can remember was when I hit it, I just went, 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:52.160 my god, that was the best part I think I've 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.560 ever hit. But I think it was more the sense 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:59.800 of the feeling, my heightened sense of emotion that really 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.480 enacted me to this stroking this put But it was 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.800 just amazing in that situation where normally you might feel 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.240 a little bit of the tension or a little bit 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.840 of the grab or a little bit of that after 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:13.360 the hit, you feel like that little bit of the 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:17.440 acceleration or that I wouldn't use the word apprehension, but 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.800 it's just it is what it is. It's just nerves 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.280 and the rest. But this thing just flowed and it 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:23.800 just went it off of my hands and I just 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.440 looked up and I just went, Wow, that's got to 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.480 be the purest part I think I've ever hit subsequently 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:33.720 subsequently it went in. But irrespective of that, I just find, 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.560 I mean that that feeling and memory will last with 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.680 me for a long while, because I'd say to Sam, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.360 if I had have had this technology, maybe when I 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:45.120 first turned pro, who knows how many order one, maybe 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.240 with the broomstick, a part of very well with the broomstick. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:51.320 But yeah, look, it's just it's quite amazing technology. It's 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.360 pretty cool and you just got to experience it, but 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.080 you sort of you have to give it some time too, 0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:00.800 because so many people don't like the feeling of no control, 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:02.760 that don't like the feeling of like giving up that 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.760 feeling of where the face is or the awareness of it. 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.200 And it's just I love the internal feeling where everything 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.880 this switches off through here rather than trying to feel 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.760 this tension, I just love the flow of it. And 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.600 you get into the flow after a while, but it 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.520 takes time, and. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.760 A lot of the high level pros the feedback we 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.760 get is they describe this very kind of vague feeling, 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.880 you know, in along kind of similar to what we 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.440 talked about before about it, you know, just kind of 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.000 how the potter head disappears. That's a good thing. That's 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:33.680 when you know you're doing it right. When it kind 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.440 of feels vague and free, that's when you know the 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.680 putter's face is squared up to the plane that you're 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.320 putting it on. It's when you start feeling resistance. That's 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:42.200 when you know you're off. 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.680 I find if you want more or less face rotation, 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.120 I would go more lying. So if you go sixty 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.760 eight to seventy two degree lying l and you're swinging 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:54.040 face to path, your appearance would be your face is 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.560 opening more or less, but it's still face to path. 0:16:57.840 --> 0:16:59.560 So but if you want the visual of having more 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.760 or less face rotation, go flatter with your langel If 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.600 you want less, go more upright. So that's why I 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.120 went to a broomstick for all those years from four 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.600 right the way through to when it was banned. It 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:16.560 was cheating. It wasn't It wasn't cheating, but technically speaking, 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.399 it was like cheating. So and I just found that 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.800 was you know, I maxed out at eighty degrees pretty much, 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.560 which was legal at the time, still is legal today. 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.840 And Adam Scott still I mean, he's Scotty's sister genius. Anyway, 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:35.160 he's a kid, is so switched on and he's basically 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:39.120 now just swinging this sting with minimal face rotation relative 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.080 to his path, so there's less to try and do, 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:45.840 there's less to try and square up. So yeah, so 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.399 you start going lower. That's a lot of face rotation 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.640 unless you're doing it mechanically, and like Tiger probably would 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.880 open it more and close it more with his risk mechanics, 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.359 which probably not advisable. When you look at his putting 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.880 stroke on sam put Lab, it's not efficient at all. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:05.680 It's not green at all, apart from the one aspect, 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:09.480 which is consistency. Is consistency is off the charts, but 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.440 every other paramet is a little bit ordinary. So maybe 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.760 you wouldn't copy it in an ideal world, but there's 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.760 always an exception to the rule. So yeah, So for me, 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:24.000 that whole face rotation concept is a little bit I 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.800 think misleading, And for me, it's it's all about with 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.399 the lab product, it's all about For me, it's like 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.080 giving up control to take control. And I think so 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.800 many people, you know, whether it's a personality or otherwise, 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.600 try to you know, control the face, control the stroke, 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.080 and they get so caught up in the stroke and 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.000 the plan and everything else, which is all good and world. 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.240 You do your work, but and you know, the holy 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.400 grail is having it perfectly arked and have your face 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.080 to path and all the rest of it. But there's 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:54.200 got to be a point where you just got to 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.119 go play, and you just got to go You just 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.479 got to get just give up all the controlling element. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:01.600 You just got to just let it go. 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.480 The Revealer itself. Have you ever tinkered with the Revealer? 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:06.480 Have been on the Revealer? 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:07.480 Yeah? 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.239 The Revealer is amazing. Huh. The thing, the crazy thing 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.920 with with the Revealer is that other product which has 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:18.040 similar tech with the you know you call it toe 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:22.000 up or face target balanced, or however you want to 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:26.520 refer to the lab face remaining vertical. You put in 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:31.760 the Revealer, and they don't test well at all the 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:35.000 same as any other potter. They get really loose and 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.000 out of balance. So love is the only potter. Is 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.560 What I mean is that it's it's like it's cutting edge. 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.360 It's there's nothing else like it on the planet. That 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:45.879 Revealer is is really you know, when you when you 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.600 speak to people about it about its technology and what 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.560 it does and how it how it will feel. But 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:53.120 then we actually put it in it and start doing 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:57.240 figure eights, that's crazy. Actually hitting puts with it, that's crazy. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:03.320 So yeah, it's a pretty cool apparatus. Yeah, and I 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:04.879 think there needs to be more of that in pro 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:06.679 shops as well. They need to send more of that 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.480 that product out the revealer to give people a better 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.159 understanding and the insight as to what the technology is 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:12.720 all about. 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.640 Do you think it's fair to say that Bill Pressey 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:22.400 will go down in golf history someday as as revolutionary 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:23.040 a genius. 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.639 I think yeah, I think he should already be at 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.440 that point anyway, just for coming up with the concept. 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.080 You know, it's an amazing concept, which and again it's 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.879 been refined, but not even refined. It's the same technology. 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.560 But I think anyone like you never stopped learning as 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.840 well at the same time, So the genius that is 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.080 Bill Pressy and the concept in which he's come up 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:47.080 with it's been refined. But I think, you know, in 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.040 saying that, maybe it's taken someone like Sam to sort of, hey, 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:54.639 like you know what, let's not this out. It takes 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:59.160 other other perspectives sometimes to make you know, the goal 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.280 of the dream work. And I think it's just like 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.520 anything in time. You know, there's you know, with successful 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.600 people whatever it may be, and times that have altered 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.760 the course of history as being in the right place 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.240 at the right time. So you know, it just needed 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:16.879 someone like Sam with his you know, broadened arise and 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.840 a bit more holistic, a bit more you know, inclusive, 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:25.399 to maybe just change Bill Presley's thinking. Who knows, with 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:28.359 the conversations that have gone by, and it's always a 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:30.560