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Speaker 3: Welcome to the fire pit with Matt Chanella. Here we

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Speaker 3: go part five of this story about how and why

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Speaker 3: lab Golf has stormed the gates of the old guards

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Speaker 7: I've just spoken about the club to anyone and anyone

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Speaker 3: So you're caught up again. Lab Golf is rolling literally

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Speaker 3: Brett Rumford of Perth, Australia plays on the PGA Tour

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Speaker 1: twenty two puts today in the third round of the

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Speaker 1: Genesis Invitational at Riviera, which is arguably possibly some of

435
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Speaker 1: the toughest screens to put on. With the poet their

436
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Speaker 1: pure but tricky breaking, I think you'll hold over well.

437
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Speaker 1: The footage of parts was crazy, and really, at the

438
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Speaker 1: end of the day, winning all comes down to putting,

439
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Speaker 1: basically at the end of the day. So I'm just

440
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Speaker 1: waiting for Scotti Scheffler to get one in his hands

441
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Speaker 1: and the world, the world will be a better place

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Speaker 1: for him.

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Speaker 3: On that note, I asked Rumford to talk more about

444
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Speaker 3: the concept of letting go of control to gain control.

445
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Speaker 3: You can say that about a golf swing. You can

446
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Speaker 3: say that about life in general, right, but I mean

447
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Speaker 3: it certainly as it relates to this technology.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that is the essence of it.

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Speaker 1: Look and not is zero understanding of the internals in

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Speaker 1: a golf swing and a chip shot. So when I

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Speaker 1: chip people of trans you know they're almost transfixed by

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Speaker 1: mesmerized by my low so to speak. But mastery comes

453
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Speaker 1: down to mastering the movement and then everything switches off,

454
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Speaker 1: so everything deactivates. So when you walk, you've mastered the

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Speaker 1: art of walking. Yes, So if I were to ask

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Speaker 1: you what you activate in your legs when you walk, truthfully,

457
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: just walk, anyone, just get it. Out of your couch,

458
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Speaker 1: whoever's listening to this right now, and just walk and

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Speaker 1: walk a little bit faster when I say that, and

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Speaker 1: walk a little bit faster again, and tell me what's

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Speaker 1: being activated. You couldn't tell me. You wouldn't know. So

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Speaker 1: unless you're actually standing there and actually physically activating your quads,

463
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Speaker 1: activating your hip flexes. That's where most people live. When

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Speaker 1: they chip, they literally they try and create a force.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to control the golf club, but which is

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Speaker 1: partly to do with the balance of the golf club.

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Speaker 1: So if you're in balance with chip in and I'd

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Speaker 1: rather find the balance of the golf club not so much. Plain,

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Speaker 1: we won't go down that rabbit hole. So but for me,

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Speaker 1: when I'm swinging, I couldn't tell you what I activate.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you where the golf club's traveling. I

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Speaker 1: could tell you what I'm doing, my orientation of lower

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Speaker 1: body and everything else the parts that I'm moving, But

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Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you, like walking, what I'm actually physically activating.

475
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't know. But that's that mastery of movement when

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Speaker 1: you're putting, that's what I feel that lab gives you. Anyway,

477
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Speaker 1: it just gives you that freedom of understanding what flows

478
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Speaker 1: all about, what that feeling of like giving up control

479
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Speaker 1: to take control. You don't control your legs when you walk,

480
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Speaker 1: You just walk, so and that's kind of like it's

481
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Speaker 1: a stupid analogy, but it's it's the only one I

482
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Speaker 1: can give you. And what's crazy about it in this

483
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Speaker 1: world is that everyone's signs with a putto contract. I

484
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Speaker 1: just that's the one thing when you talk about controlling

485
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Speaker 1: of all things, controlling the one club in your bag

486
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Speaker 1: that should be a free agent to do what you

487
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Speaker 1: want to the people out there listening and the juniors

488
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Speaker 1: coming through, don't so with a putter. Just use the

489
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Speaker 1: best product out there. Sign with third end clubs because

490
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Speaker 1: of the putter. As I say to my kids and

491
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Speaker 1: my juniors coming through, is that if you want to

492
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Speaker 1: buy that one hundred million dollar yacht, three hundred million

493
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Speaker 1: dollar yacht, if you want to go give millions to charity,

494
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: if you want houses all over the world's holiday destinations,

495
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Speaker 1: if you want to change the world in some way,

496
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Speaker 1: if you want to run for president one day eventually

497
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Speaker 1: with your influence in the game of golf. And that's

498
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Speaker 1: whole a part because Putting is the key to all

499
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Speaker 1: your heart's desires. That's the only club that's going to

500
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Speaker 1: basically give you all the success, all the records, all

501
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Speaker 1: the majors, everything else. One man did this for well,

502
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: two men have done it, actually, Nicholas and Tiger. You know,

503
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Speaker 1: people will say, if your life depends on it, who

504
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: are the two guys or one guy that's going to be,

505
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Speaker 1: you know, holding that part if your life depends on it,

506
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Speaker 1: and it's going to be Jack or Tiger. The two

507
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Speaker 1: people that basically have re written the record books over

508
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Speaker 1: two generations are the two people that basically just whole

509
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: puts for fun. So my advice would be to those

510
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Speaker 1: up and comers out there, or even for any of

511
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Speaker 1: these guys that are out there now. Adam Scott he

512
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Speaker 1: tore up his titles contract basically for other reasons, I'm

513
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: sure probably, but you know what, it's freed him up

514
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Speaker 1: with the one with the one thing, with the one

515
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Speaker 1: part of the game that basically has always struggled with,

516
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Speaker 1: you know, putting, And you look at his Adam Scott's

517
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Speaker 1: putting stats unbelievable. I think he led maybe a couple

518
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Speaker 1: of categories. And I've always said you look at any

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Speaker 1: stat you get inside the top thirty of the world's

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Speaker 1: best players on any tour. If you're inside that top

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Speaker 1: thirty on any stat then you're elite. Top thirty is elite.

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Speaker 1: So cracking twenty seventh you see twenty seventh on a

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Speaker 1: stat or twenty fourth, not even number one, very very

524
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Speaker 1: fine line between thirtieth and first, but you get thirtieth,

525
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Speaker 1: top thirtieth on any start, you're doing something very very well.

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Speaker 1: But so Scotty and all these guys you know that

527
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Speaker 1: have that part of that's freed up for them, free

528
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Speaker 1: up your contract, to free up your your putting. You

529
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Speaker 1: just might fulfill all your heart's desires. But I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying it's going to go like that. But hey, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just find it crazy how people are locked in

532
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Speaker 1: with the parts and you know the complaint of the

533
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Speaker 1: car part, but they're stuck in this this contract I

534
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: just don't like the part of. But and you go, well,

535
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Speaker 1: that's what winning is all about. If you want to

536
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Speaker 1: be auted for winning, use something that's going to win, right,

537
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Speaker 1: Or if you just want to make top thirty make

538
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Speaker 1: a living, then yeah, sign a contract and just you know,

539
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Speaker 1: just hate yourself for the rest of your life. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: It's just the most stupid thing I think I could

541
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Speaker 1: you could. In my experience, it's most, yes, most for anything.

542
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Speaker 1: And that's the blessing with with Titleist was the fact

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Speaker 1: that I could use whatever I wanted throughout my career.

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Speaker 1: So I've got thirteen clubs. The drive is definitely a

545
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Speaker 1: have to use it d either, that's a non negotiable

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Speaker 1: there in the contract. But I think Titleist, Yeah, trust

547
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Speaker 1: in the product. You want to use the product, you can,

548
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Speaker 1: but if not, use something else. So that's my two cents.

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00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: Anyway, I went back through Adam Scott's putting stats in

550
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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, before he started using lab putters,

551
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Speaker 3: he was one hundred and sixty fifth in strokes gained

552
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Speaker 3: putting and one hundred and seventy fifth in putting average.

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Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, which is when he made

554
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Speaker 3: the switch, he jumped to thirty first in strokes gain

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Speaker 3: putting and was forty third in putting average in twenty

556
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Speaker 3: nineteen twenty twenty. He was forty ninth and forty fourth, respectively.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty twenty twenty one, he was eighteenth and

558
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Speaker 3: fortieth in twenty twenty one. In twenty twenty two, he

559
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Speaker 3: was forty first and thirty fourth. In twenty twenty two

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Speaker 3: and twenty twenty three he was nineteenth and ninth. And

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Speaker 3: this year and it's early, he's fiftieth and thirty third.

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Speaker 3: He's on his sixth street year of using a lab

563
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Speaker 3: putter and the sixth consecutive year of never being outside

564
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Speaker 3: the top fifty and two critical putting stats. Have you

565
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Speaker 3: ever had a conversation with Adam or Lucas about labs,

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Speaker 3: specifically with Scotty.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Look, Scotty and I we're very much on

568
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Speaker 1: the same page. So yeah, that conversation is just like

569
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Speaker 1: speaking to me in a mirror, right from where it goes.

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Speaker 1: So I used the broomstick a long long time ago

571
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Speaker 1: and then he switched to the broomstick. You know, I

572
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Speaker 1: talked about how I used it and stuff, and he's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the same thing. So Scott is very astute.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he thinks about the game, Scotty, you know

575
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Speaker 1: as much as you don't. You know, you think he's

576
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Speaker 1: very very technically sound, which he is probably doesn't think

577
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Speaker 1: too much about the golf swing, but he does about

578
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Speaker 1: other areas of the game. So I spent some time

579
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Speaker 1: with it with the PGA. We've got on the chip

580
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Speaker 1: and green. I'm filling his brains with all these you know,

581
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Speaker 1: my thoughts and feels. And we spent about two hours

582
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Speaker 1: there is back in maybe eighteen twenty eighteen. I'd cool

583
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Speaker 1: them and we go to the driving range and we're

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Speaker 1: hitting a few balls next to each other. We're just

585
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Speaker 1: talking about, you know, stuff as mates do. And I

586
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Speaker 1: just asked him about he's ripping these drives down. It

587
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: like just just flat plane, just frozen rowe one half

588
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Speaker 1: of the other, like twenty thirty in a row. And

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Speaker 1: I've always like struggled with driving, you know, so he's

590
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Speaker 1: struggled with chipping a little bit. But I'm getting very

591
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Speaker 1: technical and everything else with the short game and telling how,

592
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Speaker 1: you know, how I changed things to manipulate flights and stuff.

593
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Speaker 1: And then you know, what do you do with the

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Speaker 1: driver Scotty, Well, you know, Rabbie is what I thought.

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Speaker 1: You know what, here we go. I'm going to get

596
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Speaker 1: the I'm going to get the holy Grail of secrets

597
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Speaker 1: here and I'm on it right So Scotty starts talking about, well,

598
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Speaker 1: what I do. I mean, I get my nineties, so

599
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: I get my grip right, and then I just really

600
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Speaker 1: ensure that nine degrees to my target. You know, I'm

601
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: all squared off because he is it so straight. It's

602
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: very very important if you get it very straight and

603
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: very repetitive something. And yeah, that makes sense, and he

604
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Speaker 1: goes the first poot. You know, I'm just trying to

605
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: feel as out the face just like remains fairly square

606
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Speaker 1: to the golf ball, like it's just like looking at it.

607
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: And then after that, I don't know. I can't tell

608
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: you what I do, and I just gon't. You're gonna

609
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: be kidding me. If you've got to give me more

610
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: than that, Scotty, give me something, It's like, nah, just

611
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Speaker 1: get my nineties, keep the face square. This is all

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Speaker 1: I know is that, you know, from this point here,

613
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Speaker 1: like I'm very very very aware of this point. Beyond that,

614
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Speaker 1: all I know is that I've just got the most

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Speaker 1: videoed and photographed golf swing probably in the game. But

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Speaker 1: what I do you're from me? I was devastated. I

617
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Speaker 1: was like, oh no, that's not going to work for me.

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Speaker 1: So oh man, in terms of putting though, he's very

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Speaker 1: very that's kind of like where it flips, you know's

620
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Speaker 1: goal swing. He's got that, you know, locked away, and

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Speaker 1: then when he gets degree, you know, he's I've always

622
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Speaker 1: found that he's he's used part is too heavy, so

623
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Speaker 1: with the lab and particularly the long one as well.

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Speaker 1: You know, you get on greens like Augusta and you

625
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Speaker 1: get a part of that's really really heavy. But he

626
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Speaker 1: kind of like liked that. But that's why Scotty has

627
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: had that really long short stroke kind of thing at

628
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Speaker 1: the masses where it's like like reversing a train and

629
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Speaker 1: then trying to put it forward. It's like, oh shit,

630
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Speaker 1: it takes some time, right, So you kind of like

631
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Speaker 1: want to have a bit more of that, you know

632
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Speaker 1: that that faster beats for a minute, should I say,

633
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Speaker 1: but maintain the same ratio. So, but the other thing

634
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Speaker 1: I've ever said to Scotty was this, man, you need

635
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Speaker 1: to lighten up this head, just line up the whole thing,

636
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: because it's the broomsticks all good and well, but still

637
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: you just want to try and create a bit more

638
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: more flow with a bit more speed and have that

639
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: dynamic of stroke sort of match backstroke to follow through.

640
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Speaker 1: But that's the only thing I've ever said to Scotty

641
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Speaker 1: in terms of parting and the rest is you don't

642
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: say too much to Scotty really, so he's a yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a world clock.

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Speaker 3: Back to Adam Scott, who if You're not caught up,

645
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Speaker 3: was prominent part four of this series. Brett Rumford, who

646
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: I'm sure sure you know he he pushed back on

647
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: Sam and the technology originally sort of tried it and said,

648
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 3: you know that he had some issues with this going back,

649
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 3: you know, early days, and then eventually came back as

650
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 3: they continued to tweak what they were doing. He came

651
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: back in and said, you know what, and now I

652
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: get it. I'm I'm all in. I've I've bought it,

653
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: almost like independently, was having his own kind of relationship

654
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: with the putter of the technology, the feel and he

655
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 3: said something to them, which is I finally get it.

656
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 3: You've got to let go of control to gain control.

657
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: Does that ring true to you? Is that something that

658
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: makes sense to you?

659
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

660
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: I think absolutely it does. I think, you know, I

661
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: try and do that with my entire game. But we're

662
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: we're so professional in a senseue we think of everything

663
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: all the time, we're trying to be so good at

664
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: every little part of it, and when it comes to

665
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: performing and shooting the lower score, you know, you want

666
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 2: to have all the stuff under control that you've thought

667
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: about and then forget it and just execute and just

668
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 2: play and just let go. And that's what I'm trying

669
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: to do generally. So I think I think that does

670
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: ring true. I probably didn't have the internal fights that

671
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: Rummy had in his head with the putter. I was

672
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, this swing's really good. Yeah, this is

673
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: getting a consistent role. I don't need to find necessarily

674
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: fault with it. How about I just use this thing

675
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: and make more putts. And I was enjoying that end

676
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: of it. And I've really enjoyed the relationship with Sam

677
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: and his team and being able to give him feedback

678
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: and then being receptive to that feedback, and in developing

679
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 2: the MEZ and the mes Max and you know, getting

680
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: to a place where I feel like I'm putting with

681
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: as good a putter as I can cut with. That's

682
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: that's been a fun process for me.

683
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: I think he's very factual Scotty. I don't think he

684
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: does anything, you know, on a whim or out of

685
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: just you know, there is feel. I think, yeah, Scotty

686
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: is very much a feel player, but I think at

687
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: the same time he's very factual as well, So he's

688
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: very very calculative Scotty. As much as you think he's

689
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: very feel orientated, he's still very shoot with his with

690
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: his thoughts and his concepts of what he's doing. So

691
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: but very definite as well. And when he and the

692
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: game is all that confidence, isn't it. You know, So

693
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: when you start to back up you know, science technology

694
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: with the feel and then the understanding, it's a it's

695
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: a very powerful concoction of you know, of positives that's

696
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: going to give you that that unequivocal without a doubt.

697
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: Just go play. You know everything's locked away. Just go

698
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: play now and that's probably the best thing. You know,

699
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: you get a bit in the world of what it's

700
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: all about, and then just go play. The idea of

701
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: golf is just go play. Don't have to worry about

702
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: all the all that stuff. You know, and does become feel,

703
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: it becomes you know intuitive, just step up, give up

704
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: control to take control and just let it go. You know,

705
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: that's that's the world where you want to live. Get

706
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: sold on the technology. Sure, that's you know, anyone can

707
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: sell a putter, but at the end of the day,

708
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: you have to you have to live with it, so

709
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: and you've got to compete with that technology day and

710
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: day out for your livelihood or otherwise or kicking your

711
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: ass's mates. So yeah, kicking the butts of your mates

712
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: and the rest of it. So and I think that's

713
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: what wins people over eventually, is is that at the

714
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: end of the day, that's it. The only other thing

715
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: is maybe just the loft dynamics that I'm trying. I'm

716
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: working hard with Samy on, but I just want.

717
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 9: To see maybe the options of lofts, maybe because the

718
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 9: putter does sold so well, and maybe having two or

719
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 9: three heads that with varying surfaces, you might be able

720
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 9: to just manipulate the losts without you know, trying to

721
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 9: throw your hands.

722
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: Back and forth. But that's about it, and love the

723
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: rest it's I think.

724
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, him coming here in June, We're hoping was the

725
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 6: beginning of a very beautiful relationship between us, and he's

726
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 6: able to communicate this stuff to people that you know,

727
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 6: who trust him and everything, and it's a beautiful relationship.

728
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they said your visits to Oregon and your feedback

729
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: and your your your your thoughts in perspective have been

730
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: critical to UH to to where they are as a company.

731
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 3: So they give you a lot of credit and uh

732
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: and they you know, in the end, I think they've

733
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: really appreciated the back and forth and you making the

734
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,479
Speaker 3: effort and the trips and yeah, so.

735
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm more I'm more thankful that that Sam reached out

736
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: and made the contact, and not to say that he

737
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: admitted the wrongings, but it was just cool that he

738
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: that he reached out and you know, just yeah, it

739
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: got to the bottom of it, and probably just more

740
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: just try to clarify what his engineers already saw anyway,

741
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: so they're they're already on it. They're already on the

742
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: same page. So I certainly want want to take credit

743
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: full credit for for what those guys are doing over there,

744
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: because it's amazing what they're doing. The factor is incredible,

745
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: it's growing every day. But they're prepared from the last

746
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: time I was there. They've got some amazing technology. They've

747
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: got some amazing machinery in there as well, which is

748
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: doing his job. So just an awesome company, awesome family.

749
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: At the end of the day when you get to

750
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: that first green, it's just all about locking into holding

751
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: a part and just the more things that you can

752
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: eliminate in the thought process with putting them, the better,

753
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, simplify it to just hitting that the best

754
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: puts you can. And a classic example was a story

755
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: I told at the Cotta Slow Open where I've got

756
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: a thirty footer. There's lots of stuff that can happen

757
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: in between the impact of that golfer going in the hole,

758
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you go, you

759
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: just got to give up on that and just put

760
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: the best stroke you can on it. And that's what

761
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: was really evident. It was just an amazing moment for

762
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: me which I went, Okay, I get it. I understand

763
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: what Sam's on about a bill and the technology, what

764
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: it's all about. So it was just purely just emptied.

765
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: It was amazing. It was quite don't want too used

766
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: the word it was very spiritual.

767
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: What version, what version do you put with?

768
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: Well, I've I loved the DF three, I've had the prototype,

769
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: and now they've just come out with a new DF

770
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: which I'm Sam's going to be sending me well right now,

771
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: So I think it's in the post, so I can't

772
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 1: wait to get my hands on that because I love

773
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: the DF. I love I love it's yeah, I love

774
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: its size, and I love it shaft and I love

775
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: it's offset as well. So I just love seeing a

776
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: lot of the face. There's no shaft wall that's that's

777
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: interfering with the with the leading edge. So just it's

778
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: just really out there in the open and it's just

779
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: good sight lines. I just love it and it just

780
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: feels crazy balanced. I've used them all. The link is right.

781
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm using the MESSI max at the moment mes max so,

782
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: which is awesome as well. So they're all all the

783
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: tech is the same. I can I can part with

784
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: any any one of them. And I do you know,

785
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: play Wednesday comes here. I'm playing once or twice a

786
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: week and I just alternated. I mix it up. It's

787
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: a good feeling.

788
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: We end this episode fittingly where it all began with

789
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: Bill Pressey.

790
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: I just so I talked to Sam yesterday. I sent

791
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 4: him a message and I'm like, hey, I'm gonna be

792
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 4: on the fire Pit Collective tomorrow. Is there any you

793
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 4: know messages or you know the coaching, Uh, what's our message?

794
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 5: And it's just just just do your thing. Am I okay?

795
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 5: All right?

796
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 4: And I'm like, you sound busy. He's like, yeah, I'm

797
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 4: playing I'm playing golf with the Brent Rumfer right now.

798
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 4: So that was yesterday.

799
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 5: But I don't know anything else about it. What you

800
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 5: tell me?

801
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 3: Well, apparently he he second guessed the technology. Then eventually

802
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: he came back and endorsed the technology he had. He

803
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 3: was like a critic and now he's he's in within

804
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 3: the culture and ultimately came up with the realization that quote,

805
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: this is what was told to me. You've got to

806
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: let go of control to gain control.

807
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 4: That's correct, That's cool. I don't I don't know anything

808
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 4: about this. I've been out in the woods for a

809
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 4: couple of days. That's great. Ah, he's such a good dude.

810
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 4: He's one of the good guys.

811
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 3: He's second guest. He second guest. He had issues with it.

812
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 3: It didn't make sense to him. He's he he got

813
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: he went down the rabbit hole, he got in the weeds,

814
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 3: and ultimately, you know, back and forthing with Sam or whatever,

815
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: and then ultimately came back with like, hold on, now,

816
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: I think you guys got it right now, I'm I'm

817
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: in on it now it's I see it, and now

818
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: I've realized. I've come to the realization that quote, in

819
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: order to have this technology do what it's supposed to do,

820
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: in order to have lie Angle Balance perform what it's

821
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: supposed to do, which is basically the review, what is

822
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 3: the revealer, it's totally letting go of control in order

823
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: to gain control. That's what it articulates, right in a

824
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: very simple form. He had to come to it to

825
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: himself and ultimately decided that in order to make this work,

826
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 3: you got to let go of control to gain control.

827
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: And that was his light bulb moment. And now he's

828
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: all in.

829
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 5: That's so cool. I have to talk to Sam Tomar

830
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 5: or later today or something. I didn't know. This is great.

831
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 5: He's a you know, outside the Raiders thing. You know,

832
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 5: he's a great guy.

833
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: Fuck the Raiders. Hey, uh yeah, uh you know, I

834
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: mean seriously, lab Putters quote let go of control to

835
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 3: gain control. It's actually it's actually it actually works in

836
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 3: life too, right, Like sometimes you've gotta sometimes you've got

837
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 3: to let go to to gain control.

838
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 4: And I think people let go of their fears the

839
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 4: hardest thing that even though, like it's a fear, you

840
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 4: think it would be easy to let go of, right,

841
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 4: But fear in golf is the hardest thing by far.

842
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 4: The scar tissue in and and the memories that that

843
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 4: that exist in lurking your subconscious somewhere during that backstroke,

844
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 4: they tend to open the door.

845
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 5: And that is the.

846
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 4: The fear there's you know what fear comes from, I'll

847
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 4: tell you it comes from missing, right, comes from missing

848
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 4: You know, what you miss is torque and unless you

849
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 4: practice enough, or you've got this innate ability to know

850
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 4: this particular golf club just like a good driver or

851
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 4: like a good wedge that you have, you know it.

852
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 5: You know what it's gonna do.

853
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 4: But when you take away the torque, you could take

854
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: away the fear and start reprogramming. And then you know,

855
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 4: if you miss putts, it's a misread or or you

856
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 4: made a poor stroke. It wasn't the yips though, the

857
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 4: yips is, there's there's no bigger fear that is.

858
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 5: I've had that.

859
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: Have you ever had the yips with your driver? I've

860
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 4: had the yips with my driver before. And it's the

861
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 4: same thing. It's it's a it's a fear and and

862
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 4: that's a scary, scary place to be in. I can't

863
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 4: imagine a professional making a living to feed his family

864
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 4: and pay his mortgage and all that stuff playing golf

865
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 4: with the yips.

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Speaker 5: That's just insane.

867
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Speaker 3: On the subject of yips, up next, a deep dive

868
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 3: into the Lucas Glover story. You'll hear from Glover, his agent,

869
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: one of his best friends, a Navy seal, and several others,

870
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Speaker 3: including more from Sam Hun.

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Speaker 1: Lucas Glover crazy. Is it absolutely nuts?

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's there's nothing to say. I mean, it's

873
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 6: just there's there's nothing to say that hasn't been said

874
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 6: in you know that the tens of thousands of words

875
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 6: that have been written about him in the last couple

876
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Speaker 6: of weeks, and he deserves every one of them. I've

877
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Speaker 6: seen some remarkable turnarounds. I've never seen anything like that.

878
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Speaker 6: I've never seen anything like it, and it's so fucking validating.

879
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Speaker 1: Put another log on the fire. Nobody here is to

880
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: get the time