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Speaker 1: And welcome to Monday's edition, a big blue kickoff live

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes. Two zero one four five one three is

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Speaker 1: the telephone. You can also chime in via Twitter hashtag

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Speaker 1: to your tweets in a little bit. A lot to

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Speaker 1: cover though. Brett Jones was traded yesterday. We're gonna go

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Speaker 1: over the ins and outs of that trade. We have

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Speaker 1: some news to report from practice, and then obviously we'll

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Speaker 1: get some of your feedback. So let's start with today's

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Speaker 1: practice and Pat Shermer Paul spoke to the media right

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Speaker 1: after and yesterday Olivier Vernon went down with an ankle injury.

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Speaker 1: He was carded back to the facility and he underwent

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Speaker 1: some further testing. Pat Shermer announced X rays were negative,

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Speaker 1: which is really good news and he is now being

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Speaker 1: but he also said there were no broken bones and

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Speaker 1: he is listing him as day to day. We did

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Speaker 1: talk to Lorenzo Carter also on the podium at media

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Speaker 1: avails today and he was taking some snaps with the

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Speaker 1: first team this afternoon, and so folks wanted to know

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Speaker 1: how he felt about that and if he could potentially

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Speaker 1: be a replacement for Ronan should Vernon not be able

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Speaker 1: to play against Jacksonville. And Carter pretty much poo pooed

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Speaker 1: that and said, no, he's gonna be back soon anyway,

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Speaker 1: so I don't worry about it. Well, and I think

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Speaker 1: so we'll see. And I think Carter also put things

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Speaker 1: in perspective by saying, the minute I walked in this place,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he needs Olivier Vernon to be sidelined

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Speaker 1: with an ankle injury to give him extra hamby unition

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Speaker 1: to go out there now to be realistic if for

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Speaker 1: any reason, Olivier Vernon is not available against the Jaguars,

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Speaker 1: one would think that Connor Barwin, who has been suffering

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Speaker 1: with ah an injured knee, at least a painful knee,

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Speaker 1: returned to practice today. He was nearly full and coach

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Speaker 1: said they're interested to see how the knee reacts because

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Speaker 1: obviously you know he's next up as far as I'm concerned,

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Speaker 1: to be the pass rusher off the edge if Ronan

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna see his true value early in the

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Speaker 1: season at Vernon. Is not one a reminder that Big

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Speaker 1: course of the season. The other thing of note is

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Speaker 1: Sae Kwon Barkley is back at practice. Paul and Second

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Speaker 1: is encouraged and says, little by little, he's looking sharp

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Speaker 1: and progressing. Without question, I don't see any restrictions on

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Speaker 1: either the plays they're running with him or the movement

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Speaker 1: would be in I'll say that based on my eyewitness account,

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you, But it's only preseason game

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Speaker 1: numberfore against the Patriots. Therefore, I would suspect he will

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Speaker 1: If they wanted to get him in for a series,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be stunned. But I think based on how

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Speaker 1: the conservative route. Even though that's not a word that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't like a lot of terms that I guess

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Speaker 1: dress rehearsal preseason week three, We've got to remove that

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Speaker 1: not too fond of. It's refreshing because normally that's coaches speak.

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Speaker 1: They always use that terminology. Correct, he doesn't subscribe to

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Speaker 1: say then that coach Schumer is Tripoli? Careful if you

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Speaker 1: get some synonyms for all of these terms. That's what

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Speaker 1: That's what I said. I just said that so that

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Speaker 1: adopt throughout the course of this year. He is prudent.

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Speaker 1: How about that one? Look at that? Is that vocabulary?

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Speaker 1: I think that's the best way to look at things.

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Speaker 1: All right, get used to it now, because we're going

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Speaker 1: to hear that vernon is day to day all the

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Speaker 1: and he's very consistent with everybody is that we can't

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Speaker 1: say he doesn't peel back the layers or anybody specifically.

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Speaker 1: Two zero three is the telephone number of hashtag Giants Chat.

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Speaker 1: So that's the latest in terms of what came out

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Speaker 1: announced that Brett Jones, who was the starting center last

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Speaker 1: According to reports, it was dangled out there is a

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Speaker 1: seventh rounder. The Giants have not confirmed, though, anything with

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Speaker 1: That's a side note as far as Brett Jones is concerned, Paul,

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Speaker 1: I think when you look back at his tenure with

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Speaker 1: the fact that they found him in the Canadian Football

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Speaker 1: League in two thousand fifteen, he was an unknown commodity.

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Speaker 1: He clearly is of smaller stature compared to other centers.

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Speaker 1: there's no question he is. He is one of the

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Speaker 1: Fine is out correct for as many as six weeks,

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Speaker 1: seemed to indicate it. They're optimistic he's gonna come off

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Speaker 1: week one. Now, that could have been optimism coaches talk.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what it was. Because they just traded

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Speaker 1: don't think they did that if they don't think he's

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think that he's an insurance policy.

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Speaker 1: But I think the other reason why they needed to

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Speaker 1: with Bob on the Jersey Shore. Bob, what's happening? Hello, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing Bob total, do you agree about a winning

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Speaker 1: I really like the guy a lot. Uh. Perfect teammate. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Uh played his fart out uh And he was, obviously

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Speaker 1: excellent teammate. Well, I will say this, Bob before we

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Speaker 1: let you continue. And you know I'm not one for hyperbole.

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Speaker 1: But of all the players I think that I've interacted

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Speaker 1: just as well. What you just said is an obvious

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Speaker 1: a player, if it happens at the home game, a

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Speaker 1: does not necessarily mean, you know, if they were going

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Speaker 1: to vote for the Pro Bowl at the end of

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Speaker 1: you know, the August or at the beginning of Labor Day,

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Speaker 1: he get a lot of votes. Well, he's a great preseason,

432
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Speaker 1: he really really shines, and then once the regular season happens,

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Speaker 1: he steps back into the latter stages of the depth

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Speaker 1: chart and he just becomes a plug and play role player. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's just the way it is. And over the years,

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Speaker 1: I have seen many guys who were All Pro preseason

437
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Speaker 1: and some of them don't even stick on the fifty

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Speaker 1: three for the season. But to his credit, he is

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Speaker 1: shown enough of production that he warrants being on the

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Speaker 1: fifty three year after year after year. But understand he

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Speaker 1: fits into his role once September rolls around. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: a key guy that's going to provide depth. But the

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Speaker 1: other thing that I won't dismisses Caro Win's always has

444
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Speaker 1: been a great special teams player. That question about that,

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Speaker 1: to me is not a flash and it's like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, where's this coming from? It season Kerry has

447
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Speaker 1: always contributed on special teams, so that shouldn't surprise anybody.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I agree with Paul's point Scott that

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Speaker 1: he has always been productive in the preseason. If you've

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Speaker 1: been watching carry Win, I've commented that he's looked great

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Speaker 1: this preseason, but it's nothing new. Every preseason We've always

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Speaker 1: seen him be a very productive key contributor. This is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily a new storyline. Those types of guys, those

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Speaker 1: role players who just kind of fill in the gaps

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Speaker 1: and are consistently reliable and there for you. Often every

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Speaker 1: off season you will go in thinking, maybe we can

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Speaker 1: upgrade that spot, maybe we can get a guy who

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Speaker 1: flashes more, maybe we can get a guy who might

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Speaker 1: even work his way higher into the rotation. And you're

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Speaker 1: always looking for one every off season. And then what happens, Well,

461
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's time to cut to the

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Speaker 1: fifty three and all reliable is still sticking. His foot

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Speaker 1: through the door and and you wind up keeping all reliable. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he's one of those guys you know every summer. People

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Speaker 1: probably thought he was a bubble player going into camp

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Speaker 1: and he's still around. So do you think he's an

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Speaker 1: anomaly that he's probably not going to make the roster

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Speaker 1: because I'm a little confused by Oh No, What I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is he is what he is. He is a

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Speaker 1: role player on the back of the depth chart. I

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Speaker 1: think he will make the roster, But to expect that

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Speaker 1: the flashes you've seen in preseason will continue with to

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Speaker 1: the regular season doesn't hold much water for me based

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Speaker 1: on his professional resume. Right. My other question that I had, uh,

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Speaker 1: concerns the offensive line. I've watched him for the West

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Speaker 1: three games. I've taped the games, and I've watched him

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Speaker 1: about four or five times. But I don't see the

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Speaker 1: kind of penetration you need to have, and if you

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Speaker 1: can't run and the NFL, you're not going to win

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Speaker 1: football games. Is there Am I making too much of this?

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Speaker 1: Or is the offensive line I'm talking about the starters

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Speaker 1: at the backups don't seem to be making a push

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Speaker 1: to allow runners to get through holes. So is it

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Speaker 1: something I'm not looking at or is or is that

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Speaker 1: a real problem You're talking about the entire offensive line.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't seem like they're making the push to

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Speaker 1: get runners, you know, through holes as I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: the games. Well, the Jets game in particular was a

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Speaker 1: tough one for the first unit offensive line. They did

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Speaker 1: not get a running game going at all. It was

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Speaker 1: just it was just non existent. Um. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a little bit better the first couple of games,

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Speaker 1: but let's not kid ourselves. Um, the most dynamic runner

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Speaker 1: on this roster did not play the last two games,

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Speaker 1: and we saw what he was able to do with

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Speaker 1: just a small crease against the Browns, as I recall

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Speaker 1: thirty nine yards now on the right sideline. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but Paul even than that, he really sort of it

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Speaker 1: was his patients and not so much a hole being created,

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Speaker 1: although ever Ingram a little bit about uh space did

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Speaker 1: that pretty much on his own. No, I think I

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Speaker 1: think what you have to keep in mind on that

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Speaker 1: play where it was designed to your right, they did

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Speaker 1: not necessarily create enough of space where that play was

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Speaker 1: designed to go, but they walled off the defenders enough

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Speaker 1: that once he hesitated and saw the ability to juke

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Speaker 1: to the outside. All of a sudden, it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: guess what. They didn't block the play the way it

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be blocked, but they got enough of

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Speaker 1: a wall up that then he could create. So, yes,

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Speaker 1: you're right, and but that's part of what you have

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Speaker 1: to have in the National Football League because the holes

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Speaker 1: are not always going to be blocked properly, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: you need a guy. And quite frankly, that's also one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons the guy like Andre Williams did not

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Speaker 1: work out for the Giants because he was unable to

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Speaker 1: make something out of nothing or work with whatever blocks

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Speaker 1: they were able to give him. And I was a

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Speaker 1: huge Andre Williams fan, and it just did not work

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Speaker 1: out for him. That's not going to be the case

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Speaker 1: with Barkley. You don't have to block it right for

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Speaker 1: him to gain yardage, right. Uh. My last thing he

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Speaker 1: has to deal with the players, some of the linebackers.

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Speaker 1: Uh on the play that prior scarred, I said, was

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Speaker 1: that b J. Goodson's UH person to take care of?

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Speaker 1: Or was that b W Web Because both of them

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Speaker 1: we're in the area, and I was just curious and

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Speaker 1: also b J. Goodson didn't wrap up Crow oh. I

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Speaker 1: think when he was making uh he ran right through

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Speaker 1: his tackle. So I was wondering if that scen areo

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Speaker 1: of concern for the Giants right now. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: linebackers in coverage is something that has been an issue

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Speaker 1: with times for this team in years past. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's necessarily just this season. I mean alec Ogletree

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Speaker 1: for example. If you go back to the Browns game Scott,

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Speaker 1: when David to Joku had two touchdowns, I mean they

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Speaker 1: tried to isolate the tight end against the linebacker to

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Speaker 1: see if they could get a favorable matchup, and clearly

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Speaker 1: it worked out in favor of Cleveland. So you know

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be a true test for a guy like

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Speaker 1: b J. Goodson, who's dealt with injuries, is still learning

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Speaker 1: the trade of being a linebacker to drop back in coverage.

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Speaker 1: I remember last year in practice he showed some flashes

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Speaker 1: when he went up against Evan Ingram in practice. But

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you're gonna go up against different tight

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Speaker 1: ends of different build and sometimes you're gonna be match

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Speaker 1: up with wide receivers. So I mean, I think they're

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Speaker 1: still trying to work that out, but you know it

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Speaker 1: was it was James Betcher and appreciate the phone call, Scott,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for weighing in. It may have not

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Speaker 1: been James Betcher, Mayben Pat Shermer. I stand corrected after

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Speaker 1: that game who mentioned Paul. You know that goes back

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Speaker 1: to the chess match that you see in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League. If you're an offense, you're gonna do everything

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Speaker 1: you can to match up a fast running back with

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Speaker 1: a linebacker and a tight end with a linebacker. And

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Speaker 1: the Lions did it again, Paul. If you recall, the

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Speaker 1: Lions got their running back matched up with alec Ogul Tree,

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Speaker 1: remember on that long play in the second preseason game.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of teams in the NFL. It's

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Speaker 1: not just the Giant's opponents. You're gonna look at the events.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna say, how can we isolate that middle lineback

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Speaker 1: packer against our fast, savvy running back and our fast

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Speaker 1: tight end. And I don't think the Giants are on

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Speaker 1: an island with respect to that, because we've seen it

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Speaker 1: multiple times in this preseason, specifically against Cleveland and Detroit. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, um, the Giants understand I think they

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Speaker 1: understand that outside of Olivier Vernon, they don't have that

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Speaker 1: one mammoth pass rusher. I mean, I think that's pretty clear.

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna have to be creating one on one

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Speaker 1: matchups and creating confusion and getting team pressure in a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways, you know, cumulative pressure from all different

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Speaker 1: facets as opposed to just relying on one guy go

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Speaker 1: get the quarterback, you know, like when they had years ago,

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Speaker 1: well even when they had LT they had London Marshalla

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Speaker 1: at George Martine and the multiple guys who could get

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback. But yeah, bet bet Betcher's in charge

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Speaker 1: of making that happen. And the way you help out

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Speaker 1: the linebackers to your point Pall is, yes, you frustrate

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Speaker 1: the quarter back, you throw off the throw because then

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Speaker 1: maybe the screen is not gonna work at you. Also,

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Speaker 1: you need to be more aware of if the running

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Speaker 1: back is kicking out of the backfield to make sure

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Speaker 1: you challenge him out the line of scrimmage and then

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Speaker 1: you affect his route. I mean that to me is

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Speaker 1: the best way for linebackers to be helped out. Normally,

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Speaker 1: when they're beat and they're isolating in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the field. It's because the running back of the tight end,

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Speaker 1: we're allowed to roam freely out of the backfield and

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Speaker 1: nobody disrupted their route. And when you do that, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be very difficult for anybody to match up with

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Speaker 1: them under those circumstances. Let's head back to the phone lines.

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Speaker 1: Lance Metal Paul Datino with you here. Monday's edition a

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Speaker 1: We got Chris in Syracuse. Chris, welcome aboard. What do

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Speaker 1: you got for us? How's it going doing right? Chris?

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Speaker 1: What's happening right? Um? You guys kind of got onto

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Speaker 1: my topics already a little bit, but I'll keep on

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Speaker 1: going with them, I suppose. Um, when we talk about

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Speaker 1: the chess match, Uh, do you think that there's a

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Speaker 1: chance that we'll see a little bit more zone thing

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Speaker 1: on third down instead of always getting everybody one on one,

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Speaker 1: Because I see getting off the field on third down

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Speaker 1: is going to be a problem if we're not getting home.

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Speaker 1: And how good is that Jets offensive line? Because everything

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Speaker 1: we threw at him on that first drive, just got

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Speaker 1: picked up like there was no book, no tomorrow. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think Donald did a nice job in fairness running

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Speaker 1: out of the pocket, extending plays, and they ran the

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Speaker 1: ball effectively too. When you run the ball effectively, Chris,

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Speaker 1: all you gotta do is go back and look at

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Speaker 1: last season. What were we talking about. The giant struggles

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00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: and stopping the run set up manageable third downs, and

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Speaker 1: that's why teams were able to stay on the field.

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Speaker 1: So you know, when you say zone blitzing, to me,

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Speaker 1: it's not so much what they're doing on third down.

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Speaker 1: It's more about what they do on first and second down.

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Speaker 1: Because if you're gonna get teams that set themselves up

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Speaker 1: for third and fours and third and threes, it really

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Speaker 1: makes no difference whether it's man to man or zone

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Speaker 1: blitzing on third down, it's a favorable down for the

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Speaker 1: opposition under those circumstances. Well, yeah, I mean that's a

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00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: good point, um, But like I said, I just I

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Speaker 1: know Betcher's kind of got that reputation, and it did

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Speaker 1: seem to me Donald had the one scramble that they converted,

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Speaker 1: but it seemed they were sending the house and getting

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Speaker 1: picked up, and everybody was one on one for the

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Speaker 1: pretty much the rest of that drive. Um, I'm just

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Speaker 1: real concerned that if we're not getting home, you're going

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Speaker 1: to see a lot of third down conversions given up.

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Speaker 1: That's what that kind of showed me. Um, Please remember

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Speaker 1: that what you've seen the preseason is totally irrelevant. It's

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Speaker 1: all vanilla. And even though they did a little bit

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Speaker 1: of game planning for the Jets, that stuff is all

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00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: gonna be out the window. Nothing that they're going to

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Speaker 1: do against Jacksonville has been shown, nor will it be

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Speaker 1: shown even in this week's game against the Patriots. So

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Speaker 1: the Giants will have the element of surprise at least

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Speaker 1: the first few weeks of the season, until they put

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Speaker 1: enough of their stuff on tape that people figure out,

643
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: how bet you wants to use these particular pieces as

644
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: opposed to the guys he had in Arizona. So I

645
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: would actually lay all your fears and I think I

646
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: think there's no water to that at all. Well, it's

647
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: fair enough. Um. The positive thing, I guess if I

648
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: don't know if we're going to take the same logic

649
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: and apply it to the offensive side of the ball.

650
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: But I was going to take a positive from that

651
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: and say that we're still moving the ball without really

652
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: much semblance of a run game, because I do think

653
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: that the run blocking still looks pretty suspicious, but it

654
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: was It is good to see that we're actually able

655
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: to move the ball without Odell on the field, without

656
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: Barkley on the field. Um, you know, I think that

657
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: speaks a little bit to the scheme a little bit

658
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: because even though it is still vanilla and it is

659
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: still preseason, this team has looked terrible in the preseason

660
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: for years. There are only two things that I would

661
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: take from that offensively, because I think what I said

662
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball also holds true

663
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: for offense. But there are two small elements that I

664
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: would like you to take from this. First of all,

665
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: we definitely can tell the fact that Soldier and Hernandez

666
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: are an upgrade on the left side of the offensive line.

667
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a mirage because you can see

668
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: the hand to hand combat in the trenches and they

669
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: are physical their fighters, they stay with it, they sustain

670
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: their blocks. Uh. I don't think that's a mirage that

671
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: you can tell just by looking at the trenches. Forget

672
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: about the play calls. You know that's true. The other

673
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: thing that we know is true, and this was something

674
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: I talked to David's web about in the postgame show

675
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 1: last week, and we've been seeing it now a little

676
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: bit more in the last two weeks. They did it

677
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: again today was seeing more of the moving pocket become

678
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: part of the Giants planning. Now, that is something that

679
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: they did break out that you will see during the

680
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: regular season and may be the only thing that they

681
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: broke out in the preseason that they're not gonna surprise

682
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: people with. But if you watched both Eli and Webb

683
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: did moving pocket stuff by design against the Jets, and

684
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: Shermer confessed to us yesterday that I like to see

685
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: moving pocket and I think ELI has enough mobility to

686
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: get those things done to give you a different launch point. Well,

687
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: and but see the previous administration didn't think so. And

688
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: and so this is a new wrinkle to ELI. They're

689
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: not making them bread farther aroon Rodgers, but it is

690
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: a new wrinkle to ELI that is going to give

691
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: people some different looks. And we've already started to see it.

692
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: They did take the curtain down on that last week

693
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: against the Jets. So you know, I think that is

694
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: a pretty exciting development in this offense if you really

695
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: are looking for something to chew on and they seem

696
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: to be taking more chances down the field too. Been

697
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: there back to taking more shots like Gilbride take the

698
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: kind of because he did do a lot of bootlegging

699
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: and stuff like that when Gilbride was around, and so

700
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: I think they're kind of fusing the two together offensively.

701
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: It's like, what it seems real quick before I go

702
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: and I'll take it off there. I think the hunter

703
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: sharp that the guy the team or not. I think

704
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: that is still up in the air with one game

705
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: to go. I don't think. I think to me he

706
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: is still a bubble player. Uh. He has had trouble

707
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: holding onto the ball. We saw it in Detroit. Uh,

708
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: and then the other night. Of course he can back

709
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: that punt return for a touchdown. But uh, it's a

710
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: mixed bag for me right now. I'm I'm not a soul.

711
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: I think it's probably if I had to put a

712
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: percentage on it, but that's that's not a strong percentage.

713
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: That says to me, a bad game against the Pats

714
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: and he could be out and it also says to

715
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: me he's on such thin ice that maybe he makes

716
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: it in a few days later when the waivers come out. Uh,

717
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: he could get bumped out there too. I don't think

718
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: he's on solid, solid ground. Thanks guys, Hi, Chris, appreciate

719
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: the phone call. Yeah, he's been up and down this preseason.

720
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: I think that's been well documented. He has looked good

721
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: on special teams at times, and then he's had some

722
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: issues at times, and the same thing. In practice, you've

723
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: seen him catch everything and then the games. It hasn't

724
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: necessarily translated. So you know, if you're the coaching staff,

725
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: you're probably looking at everything and you're saying, hey, if

726
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: he goes out there and get the Patriots, he shows

727
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: us something, you know, maybe that tilts the roster in

728
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: his favor. A lot depends on I think what other

729
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: guys do. Because the way that I look at the

730
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver battle right now, Paul, all right, we know Beckham,

731
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: we know Shepherd. Think Cody Latimer has done a nice

732
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: job solidifying his role. After that, you could say there's

733
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: pros and cons to just about everybody that's been out there.

734
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: Calif Raymond has had his fair share of flashes. He

735
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: had a nice punt return against the Jets. He's looked

736
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: good at times in practice. So that's one guy that

737
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: comes to mind. And Alonzo Russell had some nice catches

738
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: in games. He's also had some nice flashes in practice.

739
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: Joel Davis is another guy that we've talked about shows,

740
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: but then nothing in the game. So that's what I'm

741
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: saying everybody. It's up and down and up and down.

742
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: So you know, this last preseason game, it relates to

743
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: a subject I was talking about on my serious show

744
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: this week about how everybody's talking about, you know, do

745
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: you need four preseason games? Paul the injury risk in

746
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: this in that, But guys back end to the roster

747
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: they meet this game. This is a huge game for

748
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: them coming up on Thursday. We may have said this

749
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: the other day, and I'm gonna say it again. I'm

750
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: sorry if it's a repeat. I think there could be

751
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: as many as twelve roster spots that are not decided

752
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: this morning, and they still need to go through the

753
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: next few practices and that game. I still believe that

754
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: there could be as many as a dozen in my estimation. Yeah,

755
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: I think the running back position is unsettled towards the

756
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: back end. I think the wide receiver position is unsettled

757
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: towards the back end. I think offensive line, seventh eighth guy.

758
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: Perhaps they're still trying to determine who they want. And

759
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: I could say the same thing about the cornerback and

760
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: the safety. I still think the Giants coaching staff looks

761
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: at this final game guys who were battling for that

762
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: fifty three roster spots very much an opportunity. Ray Ray

763
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: Armstrong the last two games has now put himself on

764
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: my fifty three. But he wasn't there three weeks ago.

765
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: Um and then again, remember when Um Largita had that

766
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: terrific camp while drama you're talking about No, no, we

767
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: talking about the former bear, Oh Israel Adona Dona Ja.

768
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: Yes it was not. Yeah, he came in. How does

769
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: camp remember that? And they decided, you know what, No,

770
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna, We're gonna. They went with Kerry Winn, went

771
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: with Kerry w Kerry Win was young, and they said

772
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: more upside, So we're gonna, We're gonna let Donna Jay go.

773
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: Remember that, and and Odona Jay clearly was one of

774
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: the best defensive linemen during the preseason. It was not

775
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: even close. I remember deserved to be on a team

776
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: with his performance. I remember that was surprises because I

777
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: had that year a huge surprise. So you know, could

778
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: there be one or two of those maybe? Remember there

779
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: were more factors, unfortunately, like what the at Jones situation.

780
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: There Jones situation, in my opinion, I had to do

781
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: a lot more with the business angle of what's going

782
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: on with football and the three million dollar cap savings

783
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: than it did the fact that they didn't think he

784
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: could start for this team or be a valuable contributor.

785
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: They know he could be a valuable contributor. Pat Sherman

786
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: flat out told us he was one of his favorite players. Well,

787
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman brought him back to after evaluating, so clearly

788
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: they believe he has question. I don't think anybody doubts.

789
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: You know, he could play for this team, but there

790
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: are other angles inside the prism that make teams do

791
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: different things. Why don't you present let's add back to

792
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: the phone lines. Bob is in Pennsylvania. Bob, what's having um?

793
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: How you basically covered everything I wanted to talk about.

794
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: But all right, well thanks for calling Bob. We'll talk

795
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: to you tomorrow. A couple of things that I did

796
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: notice from the game watching our replace Sunday was I

797
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up about that moving pocket, which I

798
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: thought was pretty excited. I think um also well. One

799
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: prediction I want to make is I don't know if

800
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: people realize what a great position the Giants are in

801
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: where we only have one team that could claim players

802
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: ahead of us. So I don't predict it We're gonna

803
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: have a minimum of four guys maybe five or six

804
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: that we pick up next week. Because there's a lot

805
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: of things I'm not happy with. I don't I don't

806
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: want sharp return in uh punce. I one day Eskipolo

807
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: that Presley impressed me a lot with his purst I

808
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: know it's against the two or threes, but could he

809
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: do anything like punce or kickoff returns? Well, let me

810
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: take a look. I had not, to be honest with

811
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: with you, I had not looked at his previous college

812
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: statistics to see if he has any experience at all

813
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: doing it. I will tell you I'm wary of of

814
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: trying a guy back there for the first time as

815
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: trying to make a team if he did not show

816
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: that he could do it. In school, and as I

817
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: look here now, UH at New Mexico, I see one

818
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: one tho yard rushing season, another for nine hundred yards.

819
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: I see uh a season where you know he's never

820
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: caught more than ten passes in one season, So UM

821
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: don't see that. Uh. Looking at returns, I don't see

822
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: any returns. Do you see any returns? I don't see

823
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: any return So I don't know that he's ever tried

824
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: to return a punt or get golf. Well, that's why

825
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: calif Raymond is being utilized too. I mean, he's certainly

826
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: another option as a part returner. I think that's gonna

827
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: be something that's going to be from the way of

828
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: a warrior, because I think Sharp's got the hips back there.

829
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: I I don't trust him to catch a punt. Um.

830
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't think the guys on the on the on

831
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: the team right now, that's gonna punt return. And also

832
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: with the Brett Jones, sorry to see him go as

833
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: a good guy. I also agree you've mentioned this before.

834
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that had to do with

835
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: clearing space to sign some other guys because he's a

836
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: he's a starter. I was even thinking of Jones being

837
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: the center and moving how po over the guard if

838
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: if that was the way to go with it. But

839
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: that's a move point right now. Okay, all right, um,

840
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: I can't wait for September nine. All Right, have a

841
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: good one, guy, I appreciate your thanks to watching way in.

842
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the lines. Joe is in Pennsylvania. Joe,

843
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, Hi guys. Uh be breaking news there

844
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: that o'gell just playing the five year million dollar contracts

845
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: sixty five million guaranteed their ESPN reporting, So there are

846
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: a lot of national outlets reporting that that agreement has

847
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: been reached. I will tell you we have asked the

848
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: Giants if there were any official announcement to be made,

849
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: that they inform us as soon as possible so that

850
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: we could get that to you. No official word has

851
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: come down the pike, so as the's always the case

852
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: on this program, we don't talk about anything that's not official. Okay,

853
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: breaking news, but they're pretty official. So congratulations anyway, So,

854
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: uh about the game here. It was a great past

855
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: protection this past week really, you know against the Jets. Now,

856
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: uh do you think, uh, you know how how he

857
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: went to that quick drop and released the ball so

858
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: quick he'd do that against Jacksonville. Paul, Well, let me

859
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: put to you this way. I think I think the

860
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: Giants are gonna unveil an entirely foreign offensive game plan

861
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: against the Jaguars, because remember, they do walk throughs before

862
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: the media even gets here for training camp, and they

863
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: have been, no doubt working on some of the things

864
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna do to the Jaguars under the cloak of

865
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: that curtain. So none of the media who thinks that

866
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: they're watching training camp, if they think that they're seeing

867
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: stuff that the Giants are going to use against the Jaguars,

868
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: they're fooling themselves because there are other sessions where they're

869
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: running through things with this team and nobody has seen it.

870
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: And and if no one here has seen it, then

871
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: the Jaguars certainly haven't seen it. So all bets are off.

872
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: I truly believe the Giants have a tremendous advantage over

873
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: the Jaguars because of the element of surprise. The Jaguars

874
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: have no idea what shermer Shula and Betcher are going

875
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: to scheme with these Giants players tap in Week one

876
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: of the regular season, and I will go as far

877
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: as to tell you right now. The Giants beating the

878
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: Jaguars is my upset special of week one during the

879
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: regular season. I will tell you that right now without

880
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: any hesitation. Well, I great to see it. But I

881
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: think Shermer and him guys will do anything and with

882
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: with Eli in there that they would do. You know,

883
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: they want to go to their play action and I

884
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: guess it all depends with getting the running game going.

885
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: And I hope they get with Barkley too. I know

886
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: they tried it a few times. Uh the first game

887
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: or so. I didn't see any of this last couple

888
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: of games screens Paul, but I know with Barkley that

889
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: would be a big play. And then that first game

890
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: or so exhibition, it seemed like they want to get

891
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: a get a little screen pass off, you know. But uh,

892
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: I really think that they can adapt and and do anything.

893
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: And I want to give kudos to it was great

894
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: punning there this this past game to where they take

895
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: a good job. Yeah, two were down the inside the

896
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: tent really and he looks steady. You know that they're

897
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: they're right in there. You know that he's putting it

898
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: there for fer our receivers the chance uh to knock

899
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: them down. It was great. And uh, going back the

900
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: hunter Sharp and the other guy, you think one of

901
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: them would be there for sure to make the team

902
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: because of their punt return Sharp and who was the

903
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: other guy right now? Sharp and fighting for one spot

904
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: right now. But whether or not either one of them

905
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: makes it is kind of open to who might come

906
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: in from the outside. There's a chance that neither one

907
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: of them winds up sticking. I should add Joe, by

908
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: the way, I'm glad you you just like got my

909
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: brain thinking again. The other thing that we do know

910
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: about this Giant's offense that they have kind of shown

911
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: it is another small crumb. They're going to use a

912
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: lot more double tight end, there's no question, and that

913
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: of course makes them more. Really, I think they could

914
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: do everything. And with Eli, he's like a coach out there.

915
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: I tell you, he looked great this last game back there.

916
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: He's had a great summer than last year. He's had

917
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: a great summer. Eli Manning has been razors shot are

918
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: all summer long. He is primed for an outstanding season. Yes,

919
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: anything more. I heard guests today are tight End was

920
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: doing some light jogging. Is that true? Paul Evan Evan correct. Yeah, correct,

921
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: So that's good news and concussion protocol. Thank you appreciate

922
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: the phone call. And on their unofficial depth chart, they

923
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: have two tight ends listed as daughters. So I mean,

924
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: not that they wanted to showcase that to everybody. They're

925
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: forced to do that based on lead rules. But if

926
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna lay out your starting offense with two tight ends,

927
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty safe to assume that that's the

928
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: lying on. That's the other thing they're giving away. Yeah, okay,

929
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But still those are crumbs compared

930
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: to what a true offensive game plan it's gonna be.

931
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: And and the other thing related to by the way,

932
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: I got a feeling that Barkley and Beckham will touch

933
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: the ball. Yes, I I think that you're going out

934
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: on a limb on that. How nice of you to

935
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: let us in on all of that. But what I

936
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: was gonna say it related to that in turn of preparation.

937
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: Most teams do this. I don't think Pat Shermer's coaching

938
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: staff is unique. During the off season. I mean, while

939
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: the spring was going on, even before the players came back,

940
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: they start studying the opposition that they're going to have

941
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: on the schedule, just to get familiar preparation for the Jaguars,

942
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: familiarity with their staff, their personnel goes back to we're

943
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: talking like March. And then now you start to think about, Okay,

944
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: what did we see out of Jacksonville in the preseason,

945
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: what do we do well? And now you specifically game

946
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: plan for that contest. Let's head back to the lines.

947
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: Len Is in Maryland. Len, what's happening? Hey, guys, how

948
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: you doing. What's happened with you? Good? Good, good? Well.

949
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: I'll be the first one to say it today. I'm

950
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: glad we won that game the other night. That's a

951
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: good feeling. Nothing like beating the Jets. I don't care before,

952
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 1: I don't care what you're playing man, beat him Goodwin,

953
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: Goodwin City Championship. I love it. Um. You know, I'm

954
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: glad we found work for Jones. Um. I think Sherman

955
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: was pretty sincere when he said, you know, they were

956
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: looking to find him a place where he could compete,

957
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: even though it looks like it's it's for injury reasons

958
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: out there in Minnesota. Uh. He seemed like a guy

959
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: who worked real hard to you know, make this team. Uh,

960
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: not just this year, but you know right right from

961
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: the start, and if there's one play that stands out

962
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: in my mind about Brett Jones. Um, you know, we

963
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: we're a three and twelve team last year and we're

964
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: playing the Redskins on a cold Sunday in December at

965
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: the end of the year. It's early in the game.

966
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: We get a blocked extra point. Redskin picks up the

967
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: ball and is running down the field for points. As

968
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, you can score points off a blocked extra point,

969
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: and Brett Jones runs fifty yards back from that line

970
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and makes a tackle, makes a tackle. You know,

971
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: when you see guys do that, you want him to

972
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: find work in the NFL. I hope everything works out

973
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: for him. You know, I thought I was gonna just

974
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: jump in. I thought you were gonna go to a

975
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: two thousand, sixteen gamel because that's the game that jumps

976
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 1: out to me about Brett Jones. He makes his first

977
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: career start against the Cincinnati Bengals Monday Night Football and

978
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 1: final drive Rashad Jennings gets that big run, milks the clock,

979
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: Giants hold on for the victory. That always jumped out

980
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: to me about Brett Jones. You know, Brett Jones had

981
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: two incredibly physical pancake blocks in the third quarter the

982
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: other night of the Jets game. And there is no question,

983
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: no question, not even one shred of doubt. He was

984
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: one of the top six offensive linemen on this team.

985
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't care if you want to put him four

986
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: or five or six. I'm not gonna split hairs and

987
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: argue with you. But he was one of the top

988
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: six offensive linemen on this team. That cannot be debated.

989
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody in this building would even

990
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: consider having that conversation. But that's why I'm telling you.

991
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes moves are made for non football reasons. Yeah, and

992
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, and they're Paul, Just to add to what

993
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: you just said, and I agree with what you said

994
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: about being top six. Um, there are some guys you

995
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: just have to overpay, like Beckham. Good for Odell. I

996
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: hope that news is correct. Good for Odell and good

997
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: for the Giants, But good for Odell. He deserves every

998
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: penny he's going to get. Sometimes you've got to pay

999
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: the big bucks to the generational players. But sometimes, Paul,

1000
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: you can't overpay. You know, you can't overpay everybody. And

1001
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: I think I think I think you alluded to, you know,

1002
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: Jones's contract being and it just seems right from the start.

1003
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: Sherman came in. I know, he said nice things about Jones,

1004
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: and I think he probably meant it. I mean, he's

1005
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: he's a good coach, he's a good guy, he's plays guy.

1006
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: He's a center. He was a center in college. I

1007
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: mean he understands that position. Um, he just he liked

1008
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: how I feel. I mean it was evident from as

1009
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: far back. I don't know how Brett got that bigger contract. Um.

1010
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: I know, he was a restricted free agent, so they

1011
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: had a kind of designate him as a third round

1012
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: guy and that was probably the money. But Sherman has

1013
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: kind of latched onto Hallapeo and it's been I mean

1014
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: right from the start. Do you agree with that. I mean, well,

1015
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: he was working with the first team very early. You

1016
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: have to understand that Jones had starting center taped together

1017
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: last season. They wanted to give Hallapeo a chance to compete, okay,

1018
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: because they felt the competition would make the position better.

1019
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: Well to do that, the only way they could do

1020
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: that and to give John an opportun tunity would give

1021
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: him reps with the first team and give him plenty

1022
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: of them and get him in a game with the

1023
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: first team to allow him to put his work on

1024
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: tape so that you would be on an even playing

1025
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: field and then be able to make the decision. I

1026
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: will tell you Land, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna. I'm

1027
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: gonna lay it out for you. I thought it was

1028
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: fifty fifty during training camp. I thought through the first

1029
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: two games their level of play was equally adequate, and

1030
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: I thought against the Jets, Brett Jones was by far

1031
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 1: the better center. Yeah. Now, if you guys are right, well, okay,

1032
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: maybe that's the answer. But let me just say this.

1033
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: If you guys are right and he's a top thirty

1034
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: two center, does that mean we had two starting centers

1035
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: on this team at the beginning of training That's what

1036
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: it looks like right now. I don't think that's march.

1037
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of that's kind of hard to believe.

1038
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: And we may have had three with when Richporud And

1039
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: now now you understand they just like Hali besides the

1040
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: injury issue, Now you understand why they did not retend. Yes,

1041
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: because they about what can I say? I want to

1042
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: say something about John Gregel. Yeah, you know it's It

1043
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: will not be a surprise to me if John Greco

1044
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: makes this team, not just because of what happened to

1045
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: Brett and getting traded and so forth. But who's the

1046
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: who is the first um unrestricted free agents that the

1047
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: Giants signed this year? They had twenty three on their

1048
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: roster list. Yeah, unrestricted free agents. The first one they

1049
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: signed out of that, and the first one they signed

1050
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: out of anybody was John Gregel. Yeah, I think you're

1051
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: reading too much into it. And sometimes, listen, a guy

1052
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: wants to come back to a team, he's got familiarity,

1053
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: the team wants him back, and it's not as if

1054
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: they broke open the piggy bag for a player. The

1055
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: order of how they brought back I'm just saying they

1056
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: signed this guy. Yeah, but but the order, once again,

1057
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: the order of how they resigned guys and bring guys back,

1058
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: to me is irrelevant. I think you're reading way too

1059
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: much into it. And when the players on the lower

1060
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: ending to make spectrum, it's easy to get, it's easy

1061
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: to hammer something out. Yeah, we're not talking about a

1062
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 1: guy that's demanding a lot out of your salary cap.

1063
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, it probably would not be on

1064
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: the team in two thousand nineteen. I mean, you know,

1065
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be big changes on the offensive line, but

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I like record mistakes can keep it, mind well,

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Speaker 1: but let's also keep him. I don't want to get

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00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: two ahead of ourselves when you say there's gonna be

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00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: major changes next year. But but let let hold on.

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00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: You just signed Nate Soldier to a multi year contract. Oh, mom,

1071
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: made to a multi year contract, and as is a rookie.

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00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: How many major changes? I'm not talking about nineteen, But

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00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do it well. I just wanted to

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00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: react to that stand. We're up against it and we

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00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 1: got one more guy on hold calls back tomorrow. Please

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00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: take care. We gotta go. Yeah. The other thing, by

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00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: the way, real quickly before we get to the last

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00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 1: caller that Lynn was talking about. You know, Bret Jones

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00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: got his contract, and if they were that high on Halapio,

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00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: then why do you bring Jones back to me? It's

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00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: the same thing that the Eagles did, Paul. They gave

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00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford a contract two years ago. They signed Chase

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00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: Daniels too relatively good money as a backup, and then

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00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: the opportunity presented itself to move up in the draft

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00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: and get Carson Wentz. Carson then looks good in training camp.

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00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: They're competing. The Vikings lose Teddy Bridgewater because of indee injury,

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00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to ship Sam Bradford out of town.

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Speaker 1: You're not making these decisions when you see everything big picture.

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00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: So right now, it's easy to look at what became

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00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: of bred Jones and Hallapel. What I'm saying is when

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00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: the Giants resigned bred Jones, they didn't know that Hallapeo

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Speaker 1: was going to emerge and play. There was nothing guaranteed.

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00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: That they wanted to do was to give him a

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00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: chance to exact see if they could make the position better.

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00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: Maybe they knew, but maybe also they did not know

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00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: that Hallopel would work out as well as he has

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00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: because he is certainly in their minds proven to be

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00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: good enough and it never hurts to have options. But

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00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: he was a guard. He wasn't a set up for

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00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: the He was a car. What he spoke to the

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00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: media yesterday, he was asked, are you surprised during this position?

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Speaker 1: He says, I'm not surprised that I'm starting I'm surprised

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00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm playing sector right. He said that those were his words, right,

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Speaker 1: not mine. Let's head back to the lines. David is

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Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas. David, what's happening? Hey, how are you

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00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: guys doing tonight? David? How stak you hery? First time calls?

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00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: Uh And it's a pleasure, glad to have your board.

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00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: Thanks so much. You're participating the program. What do you

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00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: have for us? It's um, Well, everybody who calls you,

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00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: you guys have enough callers asking you about players and

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00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: players contracts. I wanted to ask you guys something a

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00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: little different, maybe a little fun. Um. I'm thirty nine

1113
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: years old. I've been a fan since eight six, and

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00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: the Giants have always had some of the most beautiful

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00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: uniforms in the league. That is until maybe like the

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00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: last ten seasons or so. I'm not sure, but the

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00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: away uniforms are boring, dog mismatched. The jerseys looked like

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00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: practice jerseys. The pans, the great pans they gotta go.

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00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: They look like high school pants. Now ut, my question

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00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: is too, folks. One, how do you guys fill about it? In? Two?

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00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: Since you guys you know you're there, I don't want

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00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: you to guys, to get in trouble and say the

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00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: wrong thing about the uniforms and the decisions. But have

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00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: you heard any rumblings about a change in those uniforms?

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Speaker 1: I mean the the uh I'm sorry, the color Rush

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00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: uniforms are absolutely beautiful. Have any chance of those same

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00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: put as the official way uniforms? Well, I don't think

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00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: that's going to become the official because every team usually

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00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: showcases that on Thursday Night football, if I recall correctly,

1130
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: So that's like an NFL mandated type of thing that

1131
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: that's not something that they then want the teams to

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00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: adopt for the remainder of the season, because then it

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00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,919
Speaker 1: takes away from the specialness of those Thursday night games.

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00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: So I don't think they're gonna be making those changes

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00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: as far as my personal opinion is concerned. And it's

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00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: funny you brought this up because we sometimes have had

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00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: conversations off the air, and Paul has been involved in

1138
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: this when it comes to uniforms. I'll be honest me

1139
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: the David, I couldn't care less. It is the minutia

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01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: of football is the least important aspect of football when

1141
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: it comes to me. I care more about a team

1142
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: what it does from an X and oh standpoint, how

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01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: guys produce than what they're wearing. So you're gonna be

1144
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: the last one to get me passionate about that. There

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01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: needs to be a movement for any team, whether it

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01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: be the Giants or anybody else. Couldn't care less whether

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01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: they go out there and wear shorts and a T

1148
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: shirt makes no difference. My two cents before we hang

1149
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: up here is I really like the Giants uniform and

1150
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: the way it is. I have no problem with it.

1151
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: But above all else, I'm just disgusted with how the

1152
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: new designs make the uniform numbers hard to read from

1153
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: either the press box or from the stands. To me,

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01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: they got all funky with all these modern designs, and

1155
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of teams that have very difficult

1156
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: digits and fonts to read on their jerseys. That is

1157
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: the most annoying thing of time. And I wish they

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01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: would just go back to block letters and block numbers

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01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 1: so that everybody could read the numbers from any place

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Speaker 1: in the stadium. Do that, and I'm happy to let

1161
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: me ask you real quick, and then I'll hang up

1162
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: your old school And I love you. Don't you feel

1163
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: like the Giants away uniforms, especially from like the mid

1164
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: eighties to the early nineties, is a lot better than today's.

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01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: You want to go to the Sims Taylor with the

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01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: with with the old with the blue numbers, like what

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01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: they had, well, that's what Tarkington had. Tarking had had

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01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: the blue numbers on the way jerseys years ago. I

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01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: have no problem with that. I have no problem with

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01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,959
Speaker 1: what they have now. What they have now is really

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01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: throwbacks to what Tittle war in the early sixties. So

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Speaker 1: I have no problem with that. The only thing I

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01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: don't want to see is if you recall at one

1174
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: point in the late seventies the Giants went to white

1175
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: jerseys and blue pants, what stripes down the side? Do

1176
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: you remember that when they first got the Giant stadium

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01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: that way and then the blue numbers with red outlines

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01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: on them. That was you know, they even had that

1179
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,919
Speaker 1: in seventy five when they were playing with Craig Bourton

1180
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: over at Chay. They they they had the road jersey

1181
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: was was white with the blue pants and it was like,

1182
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: oh man, that's the only Giants uniform outside of backing

1183
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: like the forties when they went red at home that

1184
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: I would really not want to see but have a

1185
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: great day. Yeah, David, appreciate the phone, Thank you, thanks

1186
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: so much away. And remember, I mean the Giants also

1187
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: one of the most historical franchises in the NFL, so

1188
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: they want to keep that tradition that old school physicians important.

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01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: And that's why I said it's gonna be very rare

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01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: that you're gonna see a dramatic change in the result

1191
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: of that, because they would shy away from the tradition

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01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: and they want to continue that. All right, that is

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01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: gonna wrap up the program for us. Certainly appreciate all

1194
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: the phone calls. I know we didn't have a chance

1195
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: to get to Twitter, but we'll try to address some

1196
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: of those questions and topics off the air. Big Blue

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Speaker 1: of this week, and then starting next week we will

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Speaker 1: move to our regularly scheduled time of one thirty pm Eastern,

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Speaker 1: Lance Meadow. I've go on