Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey. So that was my attempt at a
Speaker 1: somber Hey hey hey.
Speaker 2: I was gonna go like, hey, guys, we're here again.
Speaker 2: It's America, America, America. We're actually gonna go on. I'm
Speaker 2: just speaking for the country now. We're just gonna go
Speaker 2: on like a six week vacation. We're gonna go to
Speaker 2: like France or something like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot is happening. I'm like what. Like I
Speaker 1: was in Atlanta. I was speaking at like on a
Speaker 1: panel in Atlanta, and my publicis, Drina, was like what
Speaker 1: she was showing me? Like, I just I wasn't fully focused,
Speaker 1: but she's showing me pictures of these men with tiki torches,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what, what's going on? She kept saying,
Speaker 1: I can't believe what's happening in Charlotte. So I can't
Speaker 1: believe what's happening in Charlotte. But so I didn't. I
Speaker 1: wasn't fully uh focused until like I looked for myself
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait, what this was just the night
Speaker 1: that they that they went on to. What's the campus
Speaker 1: of the college. What's the college?
Speaker 2: I actually don't know. It's the University of Virginia.
Speaker 1: I think, so but I was like, wait, so, how
Speaker 1: are they allowed on college campuses with like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was weird because you know, it was kind of
Speaker 1: like this juxtaposing like they've got like citronella Tigi torches,
Speaker 1: but their faces were very serious with anger and I
Speaker 1: guess rage or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a college campus, I
Speaker 2: think they were. They were there protesting. I don't know,
Speaker 2: they were just protesting their removal of some civil War statue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was It's well, they said they marched
Speaker 1: through the University of Virginia. I'm Friday Night, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: chanting you will not replace us. There's one guy in particular,
Speaker 1: like everyone seeing his feel like if you see his face,
Speaker 1: I guess you know, he was not expecting to be
Speaker 1: kind of like the poster boy for this, but his
Speaker 1: face was like a photographer took his picture, and I
Speaker 1: think the New York Post kind of like ran the
Speaker 1: story and it was like three guys, but his face
Speaker 1: was the one that was kind of contorted with the
Speaker 1: most rage. And after I guess they must have found
Speaker 1: him and reached out to him. He was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: you know, that was not my intention. We're not hateful.
Speaker 1: We're not racist. We just and it was just so
Speaker 1: strange because you could tell that he was now that
Speaker 1: he was like being outed. You know, it was like
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it was always backtracking of like oh, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we don't we don't hate anyone. We just want to
Speaker 1: preserve our culture as well. We think everyone should have
Speaker 1: a culture. I'm like, really, cuz that's not what it
Speaker 1: looked like.
Speaker 2: I read they were chanting white lives matter, Jews will
Speaker 2: not replace us, you will not make I mean to
Speaker 2: backtrack like that. There's some they had some balls though.
Speaker 2: I mean, if they go home to jobs and their
Speaker 2: jobs aren't firing them right now. I also want to
Speaker 2: know what I haven't gotten a good sense of is
Speaker 2: exactly how many people there were this on their side
Speaker 2: at this rally. I think that's important too. But someone
Speaker 2: someone I was talking to about it said, well, you know,
Speaker 2: it's really just a small group of people, and I
Speaker 2: and I and I agree that we need to like
Speaker 2: be we need to be getting the full picture, you know,
Speaker 2: was it. I think it's hard in this situation because
Speaker 2: it's it's it's easy to for the media to sort
Speaker 2: of make it look like there's just so so so
Speaker 2: many people. I wouldn't be surprised if they were outnumbered
Speaker 2: by counter protesters. But at the same time, yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Next day, what you mean the next day, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think that evening it was kind of took everyone
Speaker 1: by surprise, so they were like, wait what. And then
Speaker 1: the next day, I guess, I don't know if there
Speaker 1: was it was the same group, but the next day
Speaker 1: there was like, a guess, a bigger display, like a rally,
Speaker 1: and that's when the counter protesters kind of you're right,
Speaker 1: it seems like they outnumbered them. But it was well, I.
Speaker 2: Finished real quick because I didn't want to belittle it
Speaker 2: by saying there weren't that many, But I just what
Speaker 2: I wanted to say was there aren't. It is a
Speaker 2: small It probably is a very small group of people,
Speaker 2: but it's still The issue is that they feel like
Speaker 2: they're in a safe place right now, where it's okay
Speaker 2: to be out in the streets without even with you know,
Speaker 2: completely with these stupid tiki torches. Yeah, they feel like
Speaker 2: this is their time, you know, And there's only one
Speaker 2: reason they feel like this is our time. It's because
Speaker 2: because of our president. Yeah, it's because of their president
Speaker 2: and the fact that he was limited by this al
Speaker 2: right movement.
Speaker 1: And they said it liked David Duke, right, wasn't he
Speaker 1: like the former president of the KKK or whatever. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, this is we're fulfilling the promises that forty
Speaker 1: five put before us and why we elected him. We are,
Speaker 1: you know here because you know, we're taking back what
Speaker 1: you know is quote unquote ours And there was a
Speaker 1: letter solid that O'Brien tweeted this letter. She was like,
Speaker 1: if you think this is not connected to the president anyway,
Speaker 1: let's be clear. She was like, so, I guess the
Speaker 1: letter went out like to the their whatever, socialist nationalist
Speaker 1: group whatever, saying hey, brother's like, you know, don't because
Speaker 1: Donald the president said basically like oh, we have to
Speaker 1: all come together as one or whatever. Some people were
Speaker 1: on the alt right were angry with him, and they
Speaker 1: were like, no, don't be angry. If you notice he
Speaker 1: didn't condemn us, it's very clear he's letting us know secretly. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Like it was so scary, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, he's right, he didn't condemn Like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's crazy times.
Speaker 2: There's hatred and bigotry on all sides, he said, on many,
Speaker 2: many sides, many sides, but in this specific instant, mister dufis,
Speaker 2: there's there's one type of hatred and bickering bigotry from
Speaker 2: one side. It's very, very apparent they're literally waving signs
Speaker 2: that say who they are and what they stand for.
Speaker 2: And the fact that he was in the fact that
Speaker 2: this statement came from his private golf course in New
Speaker 2: Jersey and doesn't even have the kohones to call it
Speaker 2: what it is, to call racism racism, And then the
Speaker 2: next day when that car crash happened and what three
Speaker 2: people died, to call terrorism terrorism?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It just like but I mean I want to we're
Speaker 2: not crazy. We all have eyes now, we all have
Speaker 2: eyes phones, we can call it. I think it's important
Speaker 2: that we're all calling it what it is, yeah, and
Speaker 2: not shying a wht shying away from it. I mean,
Speaker 2: even some of his supporters are like, come on, dude,
Speaker 2: let's just call I think Ivanka even tweeted that it
Speaker 2: was that, you know, against the white supremacy.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen anyone though, call it terrorism. What happened
Speaker 2: the next day when a white man, and it's still
Speaker 2: not clearly exactly who he is, but there was there's
Speaker 2: one headline saying that he was definitely a neo Nazi sympathizer.
Speaker 2: But because he's a white man, it's like, oh, let's
Speaker 2: just you know, let's wait till the facts are in
Speaker 2: before we call it terrorism.
Speaker 1: You know, of course, because you know, we don't. We
Speaker 1: can't jump to the gun, like that would be totally unfair.
Speaker 2: Like can you imagine if that was replace all those
Speaker 2: white men with black men with torches? Can you imagine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would have Ferguson, Like I there was this
Speaker 1: awesome repost that I reposted. It was like, so we're
Speaker 1: all the riot gear. Where's all the tear gas and
Speaker 1: rubber bullets and and and and you know, scary police
Speaker 1: dressed to the nines and they're right, you're asking for
Speaker 1: a friend and standing rock and Ferguson like, because when
Speaker 1: brown folks were protesting, and you know, it was a
Speaker 1: total completely different energy that you brought. There were there
Speaker 1: were videos where I saw the terrorists, white supremacists pushing
Speaker 1: the police line back. Where where could that happen? In Ferguson,
Speaker 1: that a bunch of brown folks could push the police
Speaker 1: line back and it's and nothing happened. I couldn't even
Speaker 1: believe it. I was like wow, Like for people who
Speaker 1: want to be like like purposefully obtuse and pretend as
Speaker 1: if there is no difference, I'm like, there's like whatever,
Speaker 1: do like I it just really you know, it's like
Speaker 1: I remember when the president when when President Barack Obama
Speaker 1: was elected and folks were just like, oh, you brown,
Speaker 1: you could finally stop complaining there's no more racism. Now
Speaker 1: there's a black president, and we're like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that there's no more Racist's not how
Speaker 1: racism works, you know that, Like just because a black
Speaker 1: man is elected president, it doesn't mean that there's still
Speaker 1: not systematic racism and there's still not racism out there.
Speaker 1: And now we see that it's I mean just because
Speaker 1: it's not it wasn't flagrantly obvious. Then now we see
Speaker 1: like none of that has none of that went away.
Speaker 1: If anything, it seemed like it increased it. Did you
Speaker 1: see the interview when they interviewed the young man who
Speaker 1: the terrorists that ran into the people, They interviewed his mother. No, yeah, Yahoo,
Speaker 1: Actually you're an ex employee, if you're They interviewed his
Speaker 1: mother and was it Katie? She was is that her name?
Speaker 2: No, Katie, I know she's down there right now.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I think it was. I didn't see video.
Speaker 1: I just saw, like you know, it's like a picture.
Speaker 1: She was like, Oh, he told me that he was
Speaker 1: going to go protest. I told him to be careful
Speaker 1: and to like not be super political. And she was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, I don't think he's racist. I
Speaker 1: mean he had a black friend. I was like, are
Speaker 1: you yah, are you kidding me? And so I was
Speaker 1: just like yeah, so yeah, well you're We'll see what
Speaker 1: happens to him. That's what I'm going to be curious about,
Speaker 1: not that you've killed three people. Oh.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll have a fair trial. I'm sure it'll
Speaker 2: be a whole question. Are they going to indict him?
Speaker 2: Are they going to maybe he just you know, had
Speaker 2: road rage or like maybe his hit, maybe his foot
Speaker 2: slipped on the pedal, who knows. I was reading some
Speaker 2: of the things that they were saying about how you know,
Speaker 2: we're not racist, We're just trying to, you know, better
Speaker 2: our lives, and we just want to we were more
Speaker 2: about protecting ours our place, not bringing others down. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, but that's the very definition of racism, when
Speaker 2: you're preservation is more important than someone else's.
Speaker 1: Like what, Yo, It's so crazy to me because I'm like,
Speaker 1: do you realize that the times that you quote unquote
Speaker 1: want to go back to were bad times for everyone
Speaker 1: else that was not white? Like? And they're like really
Speaker 1: not even really, but yes, So you're saying, I want
Speaker 1: to go back to the times when black people can't vote,
Speaker 1: when you know brown people couldn't you know, didn't have
Speaker 1: the same rights. I mean, you want to go back
Speaker 1: to that time and preserve that part of history. And
Speaker 1: you're saying, why can't we just go back to having less?
Speaker 1: And like what are you really? Like? What what are
Speaker 1: you really marching for? I'm sorry, are you not getting
Speaker 1: certain jobs? Are you being followed in stores? So? Like,
Speaker 1: what what is the harm that's being done to you?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I'm just like, you couldn't
Speaker 1: live one day as brown one day because someone is
Speaker 1: taking out a statue.
Speaker 2: Well, you know the only way that the lever I mean,
Speaker 2: they're never going to get it. I mean, the people
Speaker 2: of this are gone. I have to say again, it's
Speaker 2: a small group of people, but I think it's the
Speaker 2: ones in the who aren't out there. It's necessarily protesting,
Speaker 2: but they're doing it in their own small ways every day.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I think I'm reading the most perfect book for this
Speaker 2: moment at the perfect time. I've been reading Americana for
Speaker 2: the last month, trying to get through it. Have you
Speaker 2: read it? If you haven't read it.
Speaker 1: Now, I've read her book before that Half a Yellow Sez.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so good.
Speaker 2: It's funny. I haven't read it. It's a big book,
Speaker 2: not big, but it's like, you know, it's not a
Speaker 2: quick read, but it's really good, and it's about it's
Speaker 2: partially about a woman's experience coming from Nigeria to America
Speaker 2: and acclin becoming you know. I think I spends like
Speaker 2: over a decade here and just her story of immigrating
Speaker 2: and then the challenges she went through and like establishing
Speaker 2: a life for her here. But then she also starts
Speaker 2: this blog while she's here, which is about the non
Speaker 2: black experience in America, and it's sort of and it's
Speaker 2: but anyway, it feels like it was. I think this
Speaker 2: book came in twenty thirteen. It feels like the Solange
Speaker 2: album of books right now. Some of her blog posts,
Speaker 2: you know, there was one specifical way about oppression and
Speaker 2: like can you imagine or not oppression, but about how
Speaker 2: when someone's telling you something is racist to a person
Speaker 2: who's non black, when someone's telling you who is black
Speaker 2: or brown, if they're telling you something is racist, don't
Speaker 2: deny them. Why would you deny them. It's not like
Speaker 2: they're I mean, it's almost like that they they they
Speaker 2: don't want to they don't want to admit to themselves
Speaker 2: that it's real. So they tell you what you're seeing
Speaker 2: isn't real, or you're overreacting, van dramatic, and I think
Speaker 2: right now, it's just it's just what's been beautiful to
Speaker 2: me is to see everyone sort of rally together and
Speaker 2: be like to affirm what we're all seeing and to
Speaker 2: affirm that what we're all feeling and that it's it's valid.
Speaker 1: We're not crazy.
Speaker 2: And you can't tell us, you can't convince this we're crazy.
Speaker 1: It ain't.
Speaker 2: Yah.
Speaker 1: Finally, it ain't. That's changed, right because I remember, like
Speaker 1: the only like refuse you used to have were your
Speaker 1: other brown friends. Like we I'm not I'm not crazy, right,
Speaker 1: like she was following me right cause there would be times.
Speaker 1: I can remember when we first moved to Westfield, which
Speaker 1: is largely white, a huge Jewish population, and like I
Speaker 1: remember we moved there. When you moved there, you get
Speaker 1: like a welcome kid. I didn't know this until I
Speaker 1: got a little older, but my mom had gotten like
Speaker 1: all these coupons and like, you know, coming because basically
Speaker 1: they wanted you to come down down Westfield and get
Speaker 1: acclimated and spend money. So she'd gone. And when she'd
Speaker 1: gone downtown when she brought the coupons, people acted like,
Speaker 1: where do you where'd you get these from? We're not
Speaker 1: honoring these. And I didn't know that. It wasn't until
Speaker 1: I was like in sixth grade and I was like
Speaker 1: going downtown like for the first time. It was like
Speaker 1: I had been he had lived there for a year
Speaker 1: and I'd gone downtown with one of my friends and
Speaker 1: she I was walking in a store and the lady
Speaker 1: followed me like asle by Aisle. At first, it took
Speaker 1: me a while to recognize it. I'm like, she followed me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, but asle by Aisle, she's following me,
Speaker 1: and I just assumed because I was still really young.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, because I'm a kid, she thinks
Speaker 1: I'm going to steal. And then my friends came in
Speaker 1: and they were loud and obnoxious and like running through
Speaker 1: the aisles, and she continued my friends were all white,
Speaker 1: and she continued to follow me. And it took me
Speaker 1: a moment and I'm just looking like wait, and I
Speaker 1: walked up to her and I said, why are you
Speaker 1: following me? She just looked at me and she's like,
Speaker 1: why are you in my store? And I was like
Speaker 1: and then like the realization kind of came over me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, are you following me? Cause I'm black?
Speaker 1: And she just said get out of my store. And
Speaker 1: I was like, i was heartbroken because that never happened.
Speaker 1: I'm like a kid, you know. So I go home
Speaker 1: and I'm crying. I tell my mother and she told
Speaker 1: me about her experiences with the coupons, and do you know,
Speaker 1: to this day, my mother has never shot downtown Westfield ever.
Speaker 1: She said, I will never. And I just thought, like,
Speaker 1: but then if you were to tell that someone, oh,
Speaker 1: well girl, that's because no, that's not why, Like, don't
Speaker 1: tell me I'm crazy, like this is what's that's this
Speaker 1: is what's happening. And so that's the part that's really
Speaker 1: disheartening is when you know you're checking yourself like am
Speaker 1: I overreacting? Am I? You know, and even telling yourself
Speaker 1: like maybe I am, but really seeing it and seeing
Speaker 1: it over and over and over again, where now I'm
Speaker 1: just like whatever. Like to me, the small group of
Speaker 1: men that were there, that's not what worries me. It's
Speaker 1: the big group behind them that supports that but wouldn't
Speaker 1: carry a torch probably exactly. You know. It's their wives,
Speaker 1: their girlfriends, is their friends who don't say anything, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like if.
Speaker 2: You can't sit, if you can't watch that footage or
Speaker 2: read what the story about what's happening in Charlotte's Fell
Speaker 2: and say, of course that's racism, of course that's a terrorism,
Speaker 2: then you're complicit and what's going on. I mean, love,
Speaker 2: what is it? In Action is just as bad as
Speaker 2: action in some ways. There's some quote about that which
Speaker 2: I can't remember right now, but that's essentially the gist
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, group, Yeah, another wins a moment.
Speaker 1: Seven, Speaking of brown folks getting shafted. So did you
Speaker 1: see the video I posted? So a friend of mine lovey.
Speaker 1: Y'all know her. We've had her on as again. She's awesome.
Speaker 1: She has a New York Times bestseller.
Speaker 2: So I'm judging.
Speaker 1: I'm really yes, I'm judging you, which you should go read.
Speaker 2: But so, right before the book came out.
Speaker 1: We did. I think it was like last year's time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so her book from almost the very beginning became a
Speaker 1: New York Times bestseller, and her publishers have been obviously
Speaker 1: printing copies, and she's been telling them like, hey, where's
Speaker 1: my where's my New York Times bestseller? Like stamp stick
Speaker 1: or whatever on my book? Because you could put you
Speaker 1: reprint them. Obviously you want to say that, because it's
Speaker 1: like a proven statistic that books that say New York
Speaker 1: Times bestsellers sell more, right, And so I think she
Speaker 1: she she her first run or whatever, she sold like
Speaker 1: sixty six thousand copies something like that, and so they
Speaker 1: just recently, just recently, like less than a week ago
Speaker 1: or whatever, reprinted fifty thousand copies without without the New
Speaker 1: York Times bestseller. She was like, what the hell? And
Speaker 1: she she did a Facebook live talking about like, what's
Speaker 1: really going on? Because even when her first I remember
Speaker 1: when her book came out, she was writing cryptic messages like,
Speaker 1: y'all really have to support me because I'm not getting
Speaker 1: support with my publisher as far as marketing and this
Speaker 1: and that. Because typically publishers, when they have books that
Speaker 1: come out, they usually have one book that they really
Speaker 1: put their energy behind and the other one's kind of
Speaker 1: fair fend for themselves. So hers was not the suspective.
Speaker 1: They didn't expect her book to do as well. But
Speaker 1: her book did very well, and so but she never
Speaker 1: felt like she kind of had the support and then
Speaker 1: for them to reprint. So if you sold sixty six
Speaker 1: thousand in your prime, do you know how long to
Speaker 1: tell her to sell through fifty thousand? How long does
Speaker 1: it take her to sell through fifty thousand before they
Speaker 1: can reprint another cover that says New York Time's bestsellers,
Speaker 1: And how much money she's missing out on Because seeing
Speaker 1: that on a book, if you don't know the author,
Speaker 1: would make you at least pick it up to read
Speaker 1: the back of it, right, And so, so she you know,
Speaker 1: she expressed her frustrations because she's already spoken to them,
Speaker 1: and went to Facebook to express her frustrations and some
Speaker 1: other writers and older woman and a few other writers
Speaker 1: I think, like kind of like clack back, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're so entitled and you should just be happy that
Speaker 1: you had a New York Times bestseller and you know
Speaker 1: that's what they tell you. But she's like, so entitled
Speaker 1: means wanting something I did not earn. I earned my
Speaker 1: spot on the New York Times bestsellers. So all I'm
Speaker 1: asking is that my book reflects what I earned. I'm
Speaker 1: not asking for more. I'm not, you know. And I
Speaker 1: just thought like, it's just so curious that when women
Speaker 1: stand up for themselves, cause I'm sure it was not
Speaker 1: easy to demand and say, what the hell this is
Speaker 1: not okay?
Speaker 2: Don't they want her book to sell? Isn't it in
Speaker 2: their interests? The publishers make like ninety five percent of
Speaker 2: the money when I'm.
Speaker 1: So honestly exactly. And that's why she's like, I don't
Speaker 1: understand what's going on here. They're like, this has never
Speaker 1: happened before. You know, we've you know, this is I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: this is a huge mistake. We've ever made this mistake before.
Speaker 1: And she's like yeah, but we've been like I've been
Speaker 1: a New York Times bestseller. This is our this is
Speaker 1: her seventh. They're in her seventh reprint, So this is
Speaker 1: not like how many times can that mistake be made
Speaker 1: before you're like, something intentional is happening. This is not
Speaker 1: reprint number one, two, three, four, five, it's reprint.
Speaker 2: Seven, so nine actually, so it's even worse.
Speaker 1: Oh wow wow, So it's like, what's really happening when
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So I don't honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I could not tell you why a publisher
Speaker 1: would not put that on there after they've been requested,
Speaker 1: but she's had issues with them before, and so I
Speaker 1: don't know honestly. But it's it's important, and it's not
Speaker 1: easy because you know, people will call you a troublemaker.
Speaker 1: People will say that, you know, like how dare you
Speaker 1: speak up for yourself? People you know, will say you're entitled?
Speaker 1: Can you imagine entitled? Basically, it's like saying, hey, I
Speaker 1: bought a hamburger. I gave you five dollars and you
Speaker 1: didn't give me a hamburger, and I'm like, hey, where's
Speaker 1: my hamburger? And someone saying, well, gird. Just be glad
Speaker 1: that you're even able to eat, Like, but no, but
Speaker 1: I but I bought a hamburger. Why can't I expect
Speaker 1: to eat that? And Yeah, So I'm just proud of
Speaker 1: her for standing up because I know it's not easy,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure there are still people who are rolling
Speaker 1: their eyes, like, oh boy, you're complaining. But at least
Speaker 1: you got New York Times bestseller. Yeah, but that's a huge,
Speaker 1: huge accomplishment that I'm sure ninety nine percent of authors
Speaker 1: never get. Why shouldn't her book reflect that? And then too,
Speaker 1: it's a monetary loss that she's losing.
Speaker 2: And they're losing it. Just I mean, I understand all
Speaker 2: everything she's saying, but I mean, like I feel like,
Speaker 2: one thing that you can one thing that that over
Speaker 2: that that outweighs sexism and racism in any industry is money.
Speaker 2: And if they seem to make more money, why are
Speaker 2: like they're idiots, They're dumb, dumb, dumb. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems mutually beneficial to have a book.
Speaker 2: They should be proud of publishing a New York Times
Speaker 2: bestseller book. They are shooting themselves in the foot. But
Speaker 2: I hope she gets. I hope maybe Shonda Rhimes will
Speaker 2: buy all fifty thousand copies and then she'll get to
Speaker 2: print another cop another round with stickers. I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, she said in the video she can't just
Speaker 2: go buy stickers and stick them on the books herself.
Speaker 2: So then I was I was immediately imagining like a
Speaker 2: group effort, like why.
Speaker 3: A human chain of stickering on books because I was
Speaker 3: thinking that, yeah, but I just and it's hard to
Speaker 3: stand up for yourself because it's women, you know, Like
Speaker 3: when she first went live about it, I was cringing
Speaker 3: because the.
Speaker 1: Good girl in me was like no, because you know,
Speaker 1: that's what you're taught. You don't make waves, you don't
Speaker 1: ask for what you deserve. You take what people give you.
Speaker 1: And then the other part of the warrior in me
Speaker 1: was like go because like at the you know, it's
Speaker 1: like if you have to learn to say something, it's
Speaker 1: it's not easy. Like I was telling my sister because
Speaker 1: she was having trouble where she's working, and I said,
Speaker 1: are you gonna wait until you have a nervous breakdown?
Speaker 1: Like is that what you're is that what you're waiting for?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna wait until you're so overwhelmed that you
Speaker 1: literally cannot move. And so I said, or are you
Speaker 1: going to say something? But what can they do? I
Speaker 1: don't know, I told her, I don't know what they
Speaker 1: can do. But I know that saying nothing gets you nothing,
Speaker 1: and it's so hard for It's like good girl syndrome. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I could do it. I
Speaker 1: figure it out. No, you have to learn to speak
Speaker 1: up for yourself and say something. There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: I give my dad a lot of credit. I mean
Speaker 2: his his He always taught me it's okay to complain
Speaker 2: when something isn't right, or something that you something you
Speaker 2: worked for or bought or whatever wasn't to your standards. Now, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I should I should clarify that by saying
Speaker 2: this usually has to do with like Wendy's hamburgers, like
Speaker 2: if there weren't enough guys or if the burger was
Speaker 2: too cold, he would eat about half of it and
Speaker 2: then have no problem going but to the calendar and
Speaker 2: asking for the rest of it, or asking for like
Speaker 2: a brand new one. But I've taken that and I
Speaker 2: and I have become the person in my life who
Speaker 2: is the first one, you know, after my wedding, even
Speaker 2: when I wasn't happy with the flowers and I wasn't
Speaker 2: happy with some things that that uh the DJ I mean,
Speaker 2: I had a gorgeous, perfect wedding and a lot of
Speaker 2: people made me feel like I was acting out of
Speaker 2: line by going back and telling them what I felt
Speaker 2: could have been better. And I was like, why should
Speaker 2: I've I spent thousands? Why should I feel bad for
Speaker 2: telling them? They must stu Yes, in the whole picture,
Speaker 2: it was beautiful, and I'm very grateful, but don't they
Speaker 2: want to be better in service? And don't they need
Speaker 2: to know what I what I thought could have been
Speaker 2: better and wasn't up to standards with what I and
Speaker 2: I mean as I was typing and even I felt
Speaker 2: guilty even after, and I was like, but why why
Speaker 2: do I feel this way? And I just I you know,
Speaker 2: I do it anyway.
Speaker 1: Now and I'm practically and I think that's where I
Speaker 1: have like I always have like like I always have
Speaker 1: a type of friend so like you, Drina, there's a
Speaker 1: few other friends in my life that have like the
Speaker 1: hood sput like that, And I know I purposefully have
Speaker 1: friends like that because that's how my like my natural nature.
Speaker 1: I'm always like, oh, that's okay, I just suffer. I
Speaker 1: just suffered sound and I hate that I'm like that.
Speaker 1: So I have folks around me who are like a girl, no,
Speaker 1: because it emboldens me to say, you know what, no,
Speaker 1: Like look at Manny, didn't she just say, hey, this
Speaker 1: is not what I ordered? Like I remember one time
Speaker 1: I ordered food and I got the wrong food and
Speaker 1: I was going to eat it, and my friend's like,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me too? For me? Are you kidding
Speaker 1: me about what you've ordered? I was like, I know,
Speaker 1: but I don't mind salmon. And she was like, girl,
Speaker 1: if you don't call the waitress over, she's you don't
Speaker 1: have to be rude. You just say, Hi, this is
Speaker 1: not what I ordered. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I just and it's it's a habit that I want
Speaker 1: to break. And so I surround myself with people who
Speaker 1: are not afraid to say something.
Speaker 2: It's just we've seen the damage. What can happen when
Speaker 2: you don't stand up and tell people what's going even
Speaker 2: if it's the smallest saying that's happened to you that
Speaker 2: seems unjust or I know, it's we're talking about food again,
Speaker 2: which seems like a small thing, but it's it's like
Speaker 2: knowing when it matters enough to speak up and choosing
Speaker 2: the right moments. But then I don't know. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that the more you do it, the easier it gets.
Speaker 2: I used to be so embarrassed by my dad, so
Speaker 2: embarrassed by my dad, and I and my brother reminds
Speaker 2: me every day how much more I'm starting to sound
Speaker 2: like him. And uh, I'm okay with that as long
Speaker 2: as I'm using it for you know, like I'm not
Speaker 2: going to complain if I'm not going to eat half
Speaker 2: my Windy's fries and then tell them it was cold
Speaker 2: and can I get another one? One that's a little
Speaker 2: shady pops. But I will, you know, if I get
Speaker 2: the wrong word, I will speak up. Or when I
Speaker 2: pay for service and it's not done to my to
Speaker 2: the level of service that I was promised. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: speak up.
Speaker 1: It's a lesson for us all that you have to
Speaker 1: say something. There's nothing wrong with saying something. There's somebody
Speaker 1: in her comments, I forget what they said. She said,
Speaker 1: it's called lost cool. That's what she calls it. So
Speaker 1: she said that. So she has this theory or this
Speaker 1: like strategy what she calls lost cool, that she always
Speaker 1: gives people the opportunity to fix something. So if say,
Speaker 1: you know, you go to a hotel and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm so sorry, your room's not ready,
Speaker 1: but you know it's it's supposed to be ready, but
Speaker 1: it's not. But can you allow us. We're going to
Speaker 1: give you an upgrade and it will be ready at four,
Speaker 1: even though it's supposed to be in your room by
Speaker 1: you know. And she said from eleven, when she jumps
Speaker 1: to when she was supposed to check in to four,
Speaker 1: she'll go eat and if back four she goes, and
Speaker 1: she's cool until then because this is what you've set
Speaker 1: before her, that here's the solution. But after four she
Speaker 1: calls it lost cool. That she was like, I'm no
Speaker 1: longer cool after four because that was a timeline you
Speaker 1: had to fix the initial mistake. And I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: I kind of like that, not that she's gonna wile out,
Speaker 1: but like, now I don't have to be oh super comminating. No,
Speaker 1: you said at this time it's gonna be done. Now
Speaker 1: it's not done. Now this has to escalate up. Where's
Speaker 1: your manager, right, you know? And so she calls it
Speaker 1: lost cool, and I said, you know what, I like that?
Speaker 1: She said, you give people the opportunity to fix things,
Speaker 1: and they give you the timeline of when it's going
Speaker 1: to be fixed, and after that you don't have to
Speaker 1: be cool about it anymore. You can escalate up, you
Speaker 1: can send a letter, you can reach out to the
Speaker 1: next level. And I said, okay, lost cool, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try that.
Speaker 2: Give them a chance, yeah, give them a chance to
Speaker 2: fix it. Yes, oh, go ahead.
Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, yeah, I was just agreeing with you.
Speaker 2: I hope that if there's one industry where you have
Speaker 2: to advocate for yourself, though, it's publishing. Everyone I know
Speaker 2: who's everyone I know who's published books has had to
Speaker 2: do their own pr their own She literally, like Lovey said,
Speaker 2: she had to hire her own publicist outside of the
Speaker 2: place Blushing House. Everyone I know who's had a book
Speaker 2: that hasn't. I mean, I don't know any super famous authors,
Speaker 2: but the ones, especially in the in the business world
Speaker 2: that I know who've written books, have had to hire
Speaker 2: their own little teams to go out there and promote
Speaker 2: the book and tweet about it and whatnot. And so
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, I think she shouldn't. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's the way it is in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: I just I still can't believe that her own publisher
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to do the thing. I can see how
Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to hire a publicist, because what if
Speaker 2: you waste money on a publicist and you don't sell
Speaker 2: the books, But by putting a sticker, you're almost guaranteed
Speaker 2: to sell more books. Yeah, I don't hopefully she can
Speaker 2: choose another one for book number two or you know right,
Speaker 2: I mean that's what I would do. These people don't
Speaker 2: want to make money, don't want to make her money, Okay.
Speaker 1: Exactly At the end of the day, I'm sure, I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's lots of publishers that would like a New
Speaker 1: York Times bestseller under their roster.
Speaker 2: And I feel like she wouldn't have made that public
Speaker 2: speech if they if she hadn't already taken it to them.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's all be a surprise to them
Speaker 2: at all, Like she's probably given them the and the
Speaker 2: lost question.
Speaker 1: She did, Yeah, she certainly did, ye.
Speaker 2: And still didn't And so I feel that frustration for sure, well,
Speaker 2: we love you, Lovey. Go out and get her book.
Speaker 2: It's called I'm Judging You Shanda Rhimes what she optioned
Speaker 2: it for a television series.
Speaker 1: Right, yep, m hm.
Speaker 2: It's a good read. It's a funny read. It's a
Speaker 2: good summer read too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, funny. I like summer funny books for the summer.
Speaker 2: Or go check out her blog if you have an
Speaker 2: awesomely lovey. Actually I need to read her take on Charlottesville.
Speaker 2: She's one of She's like, yeah, I love her for
Speaker 2: the hot Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is definitely good for that.
Speaker 4: It's finely humor in it. Exactly should we boost and break?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, I have a unique boost Well this is
Speaker 1: like I feel like I'm the this is on the
Speaker 1: fed boost break. This is like a boost break. So
Speaker 1: we'll see how how well is that? So fast? I
Speaker 1: love that? So you know everybody has watched that documentary
Speaker 1: on Netflix What the Health?
Speaker 2: Oh I haven't.
Speaker 1: Oh well I have not either.
Speaker 2: Not everyone's read it, but I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: Everyone was posting about like it's been like this huge
Speaker 1: Facebook like wave of like, oh we should watch What's
Speaker 1: the Health? And as a result, so What the Health
Speaker 1: is a documentary like an expose on the meat industry
Speaker 1: in the United States, which you know basically you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want to know, like puffs and cows eating
Speaker 1: other cows and dead chickens with each other. It's just
Speaker 1: it's just a mess. So anyway, as a result, a
Speaker 1: lot of people turn vegan, like a huge bricing veganism,
Speaker 1: and and I know some of you guys who are
Speaker 1: really vegan are gonna be like, Tiffany, get out of
Speaker 1: my vegan face. I decided I was going to try
Speaker 1: it out for three weeks. I'm not gonna lie. Not
Speaker 1: for the political reasons, even though I'm like, I know
Speaker 1: some vegans are rolling their eyes right now, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm trying it out more so for the health reasons. Aka,
Speaker 1: I want to lose ten pounds, so what, I don't care.
Speaker 1: Don't judge me because a lot of being so I'm
Speaker 1: in this vegan group. Child, it's like really political. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are vegan because they're like,
Speaker 1: and I agree that, you know, I don't believe in
Speaker 1: cruelty to animals, but I had not seen what, you know, what,
Speaker 1: how our meat was produced basically, and so it's very
Speaker 1: cruel to animals. But I'm not gonna lie. That was
Speaker 1: not the reason why I decided to to try out this,
Speaker 1: this vegan lifestyle. I'm just over this ten pounds and
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe this will help to jump start a
Speaker 1: healthier life. Not that I can't see myself being vegan
Speaker 1: for life. Honestly, I think that I definitely would would
Speaker 1: have a more plant based diet. But I will say
Speaker 1: on the positive side, like, so I don't drink any
Speaker 1: I haven't looked in the last two weeks I took out.
Speaker 1: I don't drink much soda anyway, but no juice, no soda,
Speaker 1: just water. If I need some bubbles, sparkling water, if
Speaker 1: I need some flavor, lemon water. And then I've been
Speaker 1: taking apple sided vinegar in the morning, which I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's not my favorite, but whatever, It's tolerable. Water with
Speaker 1: a little splash of honey, I know, because vegans are
Speaker 1: like what honey's I vegean? Oh gosh, I know.
Speaker 2: And then you gotta be careful with that whole vegan
Speaker 2: thing because everything I has animal in it.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I felt my eggs. I just can't do it.
Speaker 1: You know what the hard part for me is not
Speaker 1: because the truth is, I'm not a huge like I
Speaker 1: don't really eat I was not a big red eat
Speaker 1: meat eater. It's very rare that I would eat red meat.
Speaker 1: I'm not huge. I'm not a big, big meat eater,
Speaker 1: even chicken and fish. So the mornings are super easy,
Speaker 1: I have to say, because I'm usually like I'm lactose
Speaker 1: in tolerant anyway, So giving up dairy is not super huge,
Speaker 1: except for sour cream because I love sour cream. And
Speaker 1: cheese wasn't a huge give up because I was I
Speaker 1: had given up on like ninety percent of cheese anyway
Speaker 1: because of my lactose some tolerance, and I haven't been
Speaker 1: able to eat ice cream, so it wasn't. The transition
Speaker 1: is not super crazy. Lunchtime is easy because I just
Speaker 1: have a salad and I'll use like like I like
Speaker 1: veggie burgers, and I always like veggie burgers anyway, like
Speaker 1: outside of like trying this out, so now like typically
Speaker 1: now for lunch, it's only been like four days, I'm
Speaker 1: like typically but whatever, typically now for lunch, I'll have
Speaker 1: like a veggie burger. Whatever. It's the night time that's
Speaker 1: hard because I'm used to like a dinner, dinner. So
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out, you know, I have
Speaker 1: to figure out some recipes that I can try out
Speaker 1: where I feel like I'm eating, like, you know, a
Speaker 1: decent dinner, where I'm not just having like a salad
Speaker 1: and I'm starving by like eight. So that's where I
Speaker 1: am right now. I'm like, I'm hungry. So I find
Speaker 1: myself doing a lot of like fruit snacking, which you
Speaker 1: know you don't want to have too much, even though
Speaker 1: fruit is better than normal sugar. But I will say
Speaker 1: in last four days, I mean I worked out for
Speaker 1: six weeks and lost nothing. I will sit in last
Speaker 1: four days, I lost two pounds, which I was shocked.
Speaker 2: This is all based on a documentary you didn't watch
Speaker 2: exactly look at My Life. That must have been some
Speaker 2: damn good uh tweets or reviews about this documentary.
Speaker 1: Yes, I didn't want to watch it. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to see the pus and the dying cows. You can
Speaker 1: get it. I've watched it.
Speaker 2: I watched like Fat Second Second Nearly Dead, and there's
Speaker 2: a couple of other ones that I've watched. I feel
Speaker 2: like it's probably similar. I saw that That's the reason
Speaker 2: I spent eight dollars on eggs last night, because they
Speaker 2: were like they literally had printed pictures inside the egg
Speaker 2: carton of the happy chickens, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: these are gonna be great. And they did taste better
Speaker 2: than regular eggs, but yeah, because I mean, if I
Speaker 2: can't give up eggs, but I do spend I feel
Speaker 2: like eggs are the most economical food. I mean, you
Speaker 2: get a dozen eggs, it's like a dozen meals or
Speaker 2: at least six meals out of one cart. And like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll spend eight dollars with some eggs, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't mind doing that, and it's still cheaper than spending
Speaker 2: four dollars every day for like an egg muffin whatever,
Speaker 2: like what I get at my cafe for breakfast. But
Speaker 2: I do little things. We don't eat a ton of meat.
Speaker 2: I like people do like a meatless Monday, Like if
Speaker 2: you want to just feel like meat free for one
Speaker 2: day a week, yes, I'm with you. Though a meal
Speaker 2: I grew up with, like you had to be a
Speaker 2: protein or had to be like like a meat protein.
Speaker 2: But I will say we tried, you know, we do
Speaker 2: the Green Chef or like the the food delivery, the
Speaker 2: meal kit thing, and we did a vegan week or
Speaker 2: two and they're really good recipes. Like there was one
Speaker 2: time we had these sweet potato tacos dull delicious and
Speaker 2: they were so filling.
Speaker 1: So that was my my boost break. It's like I
Speaker 1: enjoying it, but it's hard. So you know, you gotkedhoes.
Speaker 1: Whether it's a boost to break, what about you, Mandy.
Speaker 2: And do have a boost? I was thinking I was.
Speaker 2: I had some friends over yesterday. Actually, uh, one of
Speaker 2: their one of my friends, Wan Lee, He did the
Speaker 2: logo for our show, So hey won Lee, Hey thanks
Speaker 2: for the logo. Uh. Anyway, he and he and his
Speaker 2: wife came over and they have a little girl, Laila,
Speaker 2: who just turned one, and they I don't know we
Speaker 2: were talking about we were First of all, we were
Speaker 2: watching Sesame Street because she was like running around or
Speaker 2: not running, but you know, she was just being a
Speaker 2: little hyper. So they turned on Sesame Street. I didn't
Speaker 2: I had no idea how woke Sesame Street is if
Speaker 2: you want to teach children, uh, inclusiveness and and just humanity.
Speaker 2: I mean, Sesame Street is where it's at. Like they
Speaker 2: my uh, his wife was talking about how they have
Speaker 2: a lot of they've always had in their audience, a
Speaker 2: lot of children with disabilities like down syndrome. And I
Speaker 2: think they introduced their first autistic muppet not so long ago,
Speaker 2: and I don't know it just I was like, what,
Speaker 2: this is amazing. They had Romate, they had always Latin
Speaker 2: characters on the show. They had like Gina Rodriguez and
Speaker 2: Romeo Santos, which was kind of funny, like on the
Speaker 2: show speaking in Spanish, and it's just so multicultural. And
Speaker 2: I had no idea what I've been missing out on.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, hell, yeah, my kids are gonna watch.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was Big Bird and Elmo. And
Speaker 2: then we got in the subject of Doc mcstuffans. Do
Speaker 2: you know Doc mcstuffans, she's.
Speaker 1: The Yes, I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew her because I think Michelle Obama like
Speaker 2: did something with her or the voice of her or whatever.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so if you don't know, I'm sure all
Speaker 2: of you do. But it's a little she's a little
Speaker 2: black girl who's a doctor, right or not a black girl?
Speaker 2: A woman? Is she a little kid?
Speaker 1: No? No, she's a little kid. But she liked yeah
Speaker 1: to her little stuffed animals.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was, that's so cute. But anyway, apparently there
Speaker 2: was a lesbian couple on doc MC stuffins like a
Speaker 2: a by an interracial lesbian couple on doc mcstuffans, and
Speaker 2: I was like, what are childhood cartoons? They're amazing, They're
Speaker 2: so woke. But apparently there's a lot of controversy over
Speaker 2: this lesbian couple. But I'm fine with that. So I'm
Speaker 2: just happy with where I'm happy with where media is going.
Speaker 2: But in terms of like the images that are kids,
Speaker 2: like little kids are seeing these days, I don't know
Speaker 2: if it feels like it feels like that is that's
Speaker 2: how you raise people who grow up. Where Obama tweeted
Speaker 2: or instagram something after everything that was happening in Charlottesville,
Speaker 2: and it's him looking at these little children outside of
Speaker 2: the inside of a window, and he was the quote
Speaker 2: was something like children aren't born noticing color and race
Speaker 2: and being racist and bigots. They aren't born that way.
Speaker 2: It's society who who and there and people in their
Speaker 2: social lives who prime them for that. And and I
Speaker 2: feel like it's just so important the images that we
Speaker 2: better we show our children. And so shout out to
Speaker 2: sesame Street Doc mcstuffians, and I got to give a
Speaker 2: special shout out to my mother in law, Segunda Madre
Speaker 2: for having a brown Mother Mary statue in her house.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know where she got it, but I
Speaker 2: love it. Yeah, he is brown. We'll still talk about
Speaker 2: the giant portrait of white Jesus in the bedroom. But
Speaker 2: she's getting places.
Speaker 1: I thought. I was like, Okay, what's step at the time?
Speaker 1: What's that? Better time at a time? So now it's time.
Speaker 1: Can we have time for a quick question?
Speaker 2: No, we do. Actually, this one is tailor fit for you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pull it up. It has to do with
Speaker 2: the ear. So we all know Tiffany has a literature academy,
Speaker 2: which you can do at any time of the year.
Speaker 1: Right, yep, it's open. Just go to join l R
Speaker 1: for Literature Academy. Join LRA dot com and you can join.
Speaker 1: We actually just lowered the price because I just wanted
Speaker 1: to be I wanted to make sure that price was
Speaker 1: not a hindrance for folks who wanted to join, And
Speaker 1: a few people reached out to me, They're like, I
Speaker 1: want to join, but I honestly I can't afford it. It
Speaker 1: was like almost eighteen bucks a month, and we had
Speaker 1: gotten it up to because honestly, the value is more
Speaker 1: than worth that. But I kind of work with my
Speaker 1: CFO and my accountant. I was like, what can we
Speaker 1: bring it down to and not like have to close
Speaker 1: doors and make sure we can pay everyone and make
Speaker 1: sure that it makes sense for me financially. And it
Speaker 1: was nine ninety nine a month. So we're keeping it
Speaker 1: there for as long as we can. We probably have
Speaker 1: maybe a few hundred more people that we can, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of take on at that price. So yep, join
Speaker 1: LRA dot com. It's nine ninety nine a month, and
Speaker 1: you lock yourself in for that for life. It's once
Speaker 1: you lock yourself in for that.
Speaker 2: So clutch okay, And this is like a weekly you
Speaker 2: you do it throughout the year or do you have
Speaker 2: you already sawny things and then you rerun them?
Speaker 1: No? So I well, the teacher of me is like
Speaker 1: differentiated learning. Some people like to work on their own.
Speaker 1: So every Sunday we do a live lesson for those
Speaker 1: folks who are like, hey, I want to you know,
Speaker 1: work with the instructors that is there. So it's typically
Speaker 1: not me teaching the courses. I reach out to people
Speaker 1: who are way smarter than me in a particular topic.
Speaker 1: Like you're a tax lawyer, let's talk about taxes. You're
Speaker 1: you're I don't know, an accountant, so we're gonna do,
Speaker 1: you know, well, taxes. But that's not a great example.
Speaker 1: But so I get experts to basically volunteer an hour
Speaker 1: on Sundays and we do a live lesson with that expert,
Speaker 1: and then we also have pre recorded lessons that are
Speaker 1: inside the academy for those folks who like to work
Speaker 1: at their own pace. And then we have longer extended
Speaker 1: lessons that are about three weeks long that we pre record,
Speaker 1: and we do those about twice a year. So the
Speaker 1: last one we just did was a home buying intensive,
Speaker 1: and so you could take that at any time. Anything
Speaker 1: that's ever live is always then placed inside the Academy,
Speaker 1: so you could take it at any time. But it's
Speaker 1: a mix of pre recorded and live just in case.
Speaker 1: And we also have a private Facebook group, which I
Speaker 1: really love because I make all the instructors go in
Speaker 1: there and like, you know, be a part of the group.
Speaker 1: So if you have bottle up questions, you know, you
Speaker 1: would normally have to pay to work with them individually,
Speaker 1: but they're usually pretty open and about sharing and giving
Speaker 1: you more additional information in the Facebook group.
Speaker 2: Okay, well here's our question. It's from listener V and
Speaker 2: she has questions about So she is. Look, she is entrepreneur,
Speaker 2: she's about to start a podcast, and she's interested in
Speaker 2: giving online academies because she's seen how popular they're becoming
Speaker 2: and a lot of people have their own academy. So
Speaker 2: she has a couple of questions about what it takes
Speaker 2: to start an academy.
Speaker 1: OCHA, I know.
Speaker 2: So she says, where do you find the people to
Speaker 2: work with? So that's one I'm just going to summarize
Speaker 2: her question. One she wants to know where do you
Speaker 2: find people to support you assistance in turns, people to
Speaker 2: help you figure out how to launch an academy? And
Speaker 2: how do you pay if you do it all instructors
Speaker 2: from the academy, do they receive all the profits from
Speaker 2: that course or do you receive a percentage since you're
Speaker 2: the founder.
Speaker 1: So the way I do it is so I started
Speaker 1: with anyone if you're looking for help, if you can't
Speaker 1: afford to pay them, I started with interns. I went
Speaker 1: to internships dot com and cause these are college students
Speaker 1: who are like looking for legit internships. And so when
Speaker 1: I first started out, that's where I found most of them.
Speaker 1: And I also did social media posts where I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: looking for an intern, email me. So I got a
Speaker 1: good team in the beginning. I'm now, of course I pay,
Speaker 1: I pay my staff, but in the beginning it was
Speaker 1: all interns. And even when I'm looking for staff, I
Speaker 1: look at social media, like I'll reach out to family
Speaker 1: and friends and say, do you know someone who'd be
Speaker 1: good at this? And then I'll post on social media saying, hey,
Speaker 1: looking to hire a you know, and use the word
Speaker 1: higher because people always say everything's free, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: so looking at the hire and you know, an executive
Speaker 1: assistant or whatever. Here the skill sets that you need.
Speaker 1: Here's how you can contact me. So those are two
Speaker 1: ways that you can look for help. And as far
Speaker 1: as launching, I didn't know how. So a friend of
Speaker 1: mine had done a couple of launches, so he suggested
Speaker 1: this book, which is everything. It's called Launch by Jeff
Speaker 1: oh Man. What's Jeff's last name, Uh, Jeff Launch. Sorry
Speaker 1: I'm typing it in because I'm like by Jeff Jeff Walker.
Speaker 1: It's a great book. Oh my good. It walks you
Speaker 1: step by step through like how to create a launch,
Speaker 1: and it was it was my launch Bible, like step one,
Speaker 1: do this step too, And I did all the steps
Speaker 1: and I had a successful launch. I launched the Academy
Speaker 1: about three different times because every time we would open
Speaker 1: the Academy, we would relaunch it because we would come
Speaker 1: back better. So that definitely use that. But then you
Speaker 1: also want to join a Facebook group that will help.
Speaker 1: So there's a Facebook group by RSHA. Let me see,
Speaker 1: this is RSHA. It's called Brand Build and Launch with
Speaker 1: Rsha Jones. And so it's all of these other small
Speaker 1: business owners, mostly women who are like growing a business
Speaker 1: or some of them are super successful, some of them
Speaker 1: are middle some of them are just starting. But it's
Speaker 1: just a great space to ask questions. So I would
Speaker 1: definitely suggest you you you uh become a part of
Speaker 1: Brand Build and Launch with RSHA Jones. That's it's a great,
Speaker 1: really helpful group. And get that launch book by Jeff,
Speaker 1: read it through and then take tons of notes and
Speaker 1: just do a small launch. But in the beginning, like
Speaker 1: building the Academy, at first you have to find a
Speaker 1: good platform because they are like a few. There's Kujabi,
Speaker 1: there's teachable. We use think Ethic, so think Ific. I
Speaker 1: like it because it's fairly easy to use, and Kajabi's
Speaker 1: really expensive and it was not very easy to use Teachable.
Speaker 1: I've heard good things about Teachable used to be called
Speaker 1: something else, and I used it when it was something
Speaker 1: else and it wasn't that great. But I've heard it's better.
Speaker 1: So I would look at Thinkific or Teachable as the
Speaker 1: actual platform for the school and what happens is for me.
Speaker 1: The Academy wasn't the first thing. I had already had
Speaker 1: a community, I had deliverature, challenges, all of the stuff
Speaker 1: that I was doing for free, and so the Academy
Speaker 1: was like, after years of doing so much stuff for
Speaker 1: free and not really getting paid for anything, I said, okay,
Speaker 1: so how can I create some solid income outside of
Speaker 1: my speaking and my books, you know? And so I
Speaker 1: started the academy and it was a little easier for
Speaker 1: me to get folks to instructors because they wanted access,
Speaker 1: so they exchanged Typically people are not going to exchange
Speaker 1: their services for access to your community. But because I
Speaker 1: had already built a really robust, active community instructors. Because
Speaker 1: I don't really ask much. I'm like, hey, are you
Speaker 1: free on Sunday? It's an hour Q and A with
Speaker 1: me the DreamCatcher or the folks who are the Academy
Speaker 1: members who are watching, get to type in and ask
Speaker 1: questions live and in exchange. If you have a book
Speaker 1: or a course or whatever, I allow you to freely
Speaker 1: upsell because in mind, I have a private Facebook group
Speaker 1: called Dreamcatchers. We have about two hundred fifty thousand women.
Speaker 1: I don't let anyone sell in there. That's not the
Speaker 1: purpose of the group. It's a giving group, not a
Speaker 1: taking group. So no one really gets a chance to
Speaker 1: sell to my audience. But if you come and you
Speaker 1: donate basically an hour of your time and do a
Speaker 1: Q and A with my audience with me kind of hosting,
Speaker 1: then you get to sell to not the larger audience,
Speaker 1: but to the to my academy members, which is about
Speaker 1: eight thousand people. But these are people who buy. Like
Speaker 1: just the other day, Tila Hulcum came on and she
Speaker 1: teaches uh like uh, she teaches how to how to
Speaker 1: buy stocks, how to trade your nine to five by
Speaker 1: trading like stocks, and she had she had a course
Speaker 1: that was two thousand dollars. Somebody bought one from the academy,
Speaker 1: and so that's the exchange. It's like, hey, an hour
Speaker 1: to forty five minutes of my time with Tiffany's audience.
Speaker 1: That buys, and you know they will likely buy for me.
Speaker 1: And so but I'm warning you that most people are
Speaker 1: not willing to do that. It's only because I already
Speaker 1: had the audience in place, so it takes a little time.
Speaker 1: I would just start with figuring out what you're going
Speaker 1: to create a you can't afford to pay teachers like,
Speaker 1: look to see if you have any like friends who
Speaker 1: would like, you know, kind of donate some of their time,
Speaker 1: because it can be really expensive you if you have
Speaker 1: to pay every individual teacher. There's no way I can
Speaker 1: offer the academy for nine ninety nine. If I had
Speaker 1: to pay every individual teacher, there's just no way. We
Speaker 1: would not be able to make it. We would not
Speaker 1: be able to say, sustain ourselves.
Speaker 2: So I would try and find experts who are just
Speaker 2: at the beginning stages too, Like they may have all
Speaker 2: the knowledge, but they may not have the clout or
Speaker 2: the like the brand of their own built yet so
Speaker 2: you can benefit from each other, and then they may
Speaker 2: be more willing to do something for free or just
Speaker 2: for clicks or like or just like to promote their
Speaker 2: brand and not for straight up money or a percentage
Speaker 2: of whatever profits you.
Speaker 1: Have exactly, so you didn't cause in the beginning, I
Speaker 1: should think I had to offer that. Like the first
Speaker 1: couple of instructors, I did offer them that, and it
Speaker 1: almost broke the business because I actually was making negative
Speaker 1: At one point, I was carrying the budgeteath of my
Speaker 1: speaking engagements were carrying the academy because I wasn't making
Speaker 1: any money. And I was like, Ti, this doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. You have to rethink your business model because
Speaker 1: I didn't want to charge more and I didn't want
Speaker 1: to you know, and I was like, so I had
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, something has to go. And paying the
Speaker 1: instructors every single time got to be so expensive and
Speaker 1: so instead I just paid them through access, and you know,
Speaker 1: like they've said, it's worth it because so many struggles,
Speaker 1: Like I'll give an example, one instructor told me she
Speaker 1: came on she had like a free newsletter, so it
Speaker 1: was kind of like her option to get on her
Speaker 1: email list, and so she had sixty people on her
Speaker 1: on her email list. After that one hour that night
Speaker 1: she had six hundred. So it's you know, so.
Speaker 2: Just nowhere, audience is very it's very like, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the word is for that, but
Speaker 2: when Tiff says jump jump, no.
Speaker 1: Well, they're interactive. You know what it is is because
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 2: They trust you. They trust you.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's because of years of giving. So what I
Speaker 1: would suggest is that, like, you know, start your figure
Speaker 1: out what you want to teach, start making connections now
Speaker 1: with people that you think would want to teach with you.
Speaker 1: And the number one thing that I almost closed the
Speaker 1: Academy when we were losing so much money last year
Speaker 1: because I was just like, I'm paying everything like if
Speaker 1: I don't want to charge people more money, but at
Speaker 1: the same time, this doesn't make sense. I'm losing money.
Speaker 1: So finally I stopped making decisions on my own. I
Speaker 1: started to saying, hey, academy members, what do you want?
Speaker 1: And then when they told me, I started only creating
Speaker 1: what they asked for because I was spending so much
Speaker 1: money creating these new things and they were like, well,
Speaker 1: that's cute, but I didn't ask for that, and so
Speaker 1: that helped significantly. So I was able to kind of
Speaker 1: get rid of things that I was paying for that
Speaker 1: they didn't really care about and really only focused on
Speaker 1: what was really bringing value. And then even now, because
Speaker 1: we've done so well, we've been able to reduce the price,
Speaker 1: which honestly, I'm really proud of because I know that
Speaker 1: what double the amount of women are going to be
Speaker 1: able to have access, Like I can't afford eighteen bucks
Speaker 1: a month, but I can do nine ninety nine. And
Speaker 1: so I'm really proud of being able because my biggest
Speaker 1: thing is always access for women of color, access to
Speaker 1: financial education for women of color. And at eighteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: I was leaving a lot of folks out and that
Speaker 1: didn't seem fair to me. And so yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of my friends are like, yo, you're creat like a
Speaker 1: lot of the color for money people. They hit me
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, they're like, girl, are you crazy? Because
Speaker 1: people were, people were buying at eighteen bucks a month.
Speaker 1: They were, But it just didn't sit right with me,
Speaker 1: you know, because I was thinking to myself when I
Speaker 1: was a preschool teacher and that after I lost my job,
Speaker 1: would I be able to afford eighteen bucks consistently a month,
Speaker 1: and honestly I would not have been and it just
Speaker 1: didn't feel right. I was like, well, if your old
Speaker 1: Tiffany couldn't afford it, then what are you doing? And
Speaker 1: so yeah, so we're proud of it. So yeah, join
Speaker 1: LRA dot com so hopefully and if not, I have
Speaker 1: so much free stuff. I tell people that's just for
Speaker 1: if you really want to take your finances to the
Speaker 1: next level, Like if you if you've already done the
Speaker 1: budgeting and the debt and the credit and the because
Speaker 1: all that stuff, the basic stuff I give away for free.
Speaker 1: So if you haven't done that, then do that. The
Speaker 1: academy really is for folks who want to start businesses,
Speaker 1: who want to invest, who want to buy homes, who
Speaker 1: really want to the next level after you've done the basics.
Speaker 2: Awesome, welvie, I hope you found those tips. So internships
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Speaker 2: the branding and launching launching.
Speaker 1: So the book is started launch by Jeff Walker. And
Speaker 1: I would look into these platforms teachable and think if
Speaker 1: for the platforms where you're going to house, the house, your.
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Speaker 1: Come so, what is your win?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a real quick win because it's the
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Speaker 2: the bright spot after this weekend of darkness is that
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Speaker 2: my friend, I give her credit. Juliette Obodo, also of
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Speaker 2: It was good. I'm just saying broken pussy, broken pussy
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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I got it because you said Easter Ray.
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Speaker 1: And then I spoke at Black Girl's Lead. That's Black
Speaker 1: Girl's Rock, you know, it's this Black Girl's Rock. Is
Speaker 1: this awesome like a what is it like a OD
Speaker 1: Award show for black women that rock? And so they
Speaker 1: tape it live in Newark every year, which is awesome,
Speaker 1: like around the corner from my house, and they have
Speaker 1: a summer camp for young women called Black Girls Leads.
Speaker 1: So I spoke at in one of the perks are
Speaker 1: speaking at the summer camp. Is that you get a
Speaker 1: ticket to the taping? So I went and let me
Speaker 1: just say, because I know I don't know by the
Speaker 1: time the show on airs, it won't have aired yet.
Speaker 1: So I'll just tell you, Auntie Maxine goes all the
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Speaker 1: definition of lits okay, and she just goes all the
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Speaker 1: so she is my win because she is amazing and
Speaker 1: you know she just deserves to be honored.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's making her T shirts? I need to get
Speaker 2: one of those.
Speaker 1: Reclaiming my Time, Reclaiming my.
Speaker 2: Time, Reclaiming my Time on the front, brand Ambish on
Speaker 2: the back. How about that. That's a winner.
Speaker 1: I love it.