1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to Aaron Menkey's Cabinet of Curiosities, a production of 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Grim and Mild. Our world is 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: full of the unexplainable, and if history is an open book, 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: all of these amazing tales are right there on display, 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: just waiting for us to explore. Welcome to the Cabinet 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: of Curiosities. It's often the case that we find what 7 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: we're looking for when we're looking for something else. Search 8 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: for our missing keys might unearth a pair of glasses 9 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: we thought we had lost forever, or a child's hunt 10 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: for his favorite toy could lead to the rediscovery of 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: a toy he'd previously abandoned. In those situations, the original 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: search leads to serendipity, what a popular artist on television 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: would have described as a happy accident. Though one man 14 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: set out to find more than his keys, he was 15 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: looking for something that had gone missing decades earlier. His 16 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: plan was to find the proverbial needle in a haystack, 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: but in this case, the haystack was the entire ocean. 18 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: Born in nineteen two, Robert had been fascinated by the 19 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: sea from a young age. He grew up in San Diego, California, 20 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: before earning a bachelor's degree in geology and chemistry from 21 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: UC Santa Barbara, followed by a graduate degree in geophysics 22 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: from the University of Hawaii in nineteen sixty six. Robert 23 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: was also a member of the Army's Reserve Officers Training 24 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: Program r OTC and was called to serve. In nineteen 25 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: sixty seven, he requested to join the Navy, where he 26 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: assisted in several underwater expeditions over the years. As part 27 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: of his doctoral thesis, he even mapped out the ocean 28 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: floor in the Gulf of Maine. Robert practically lived at sea, 29 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: which made him the perfect person to lead a team 30 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: to the bottom of the ocean in five During the 31 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: summer of that year, the U. S. Navy asked Robert 32 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: to take a small submersible to the bottom of the 33 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: Atlantic to find a pair of lost nuclear submarines. The U. S. S. 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: Scorpion and the USS Thresher had both gone missing in 35 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: nineteen The circumstances surrounding their disappearances were of the utmost 36 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: importance to the government, who wanted to know what had 37 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: happened to the sub's nuclear reactors. There was also concern 38 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: about the effect of their radioactivity on the underwater environment. Now, 39 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: a few years prior, Robert had asked the Navy about 40 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: financing the development of the deep sea technology that he 41 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: had been working on. It was an unmanned submersible fitted 42 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: with cameras that could scour the ocean floor for debris. 43 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: He called it Argo. The Navy hadn't been interested in 44 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: Argo at the time, but now they realized just how 45 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: useful the little robot might be. In late August of 46 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: that year, Robert deployed his submersible. He and his team 47 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: tracked the field of debris left behind by the subs 48 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: after they had exploded, figuring that if they followed the trail, 49 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: it would eventually lead them to the missing vessels, and 50 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: their plan worked. The Thresher had suffered a mechanical failure 51 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: that had led to its sinking. The fate of the Scorpion, though, 52 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: was less obvious. Several theories were posed as to what 53 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: had caused it to implode. One suggested it was the 54 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: accidental explosion of a torpedo inside the sub. Another theory 55 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: claimed that hydrogen had built up in the ventilation system 56 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: and had exploded. Whatever the case, the Navy was satisfied 57 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: with the results of the expedition, but Robert wasn't done. 58 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: In fact, he had made a deal with the military 59 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: as a condition of his research. In the event that 60 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: he was able to find the missing subs, the Navy 61 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: would allow him to pursue a personal project of his 62 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: own with any remaining time on the mission. And the 63 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: only reason they allowed it was because they didn't think 64 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: that he would find what he was looking for. You see, 65 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: Robert had a hunch that a missing shipwreck was located 66 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: near where the Scorpion and Thresher had been found. He 67 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: had already learned an important lesson from studying their trail 68 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: of debris, too, the heaviest pieces sunk quickly, while the 69 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: currents carried the lighter remains away. So Robert's team combed 70 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: the ocean floor with argo It's cameras, sending back gray, 71 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: grainy footage of smooth terrain two miles below the surface. 72 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: He was looking for a much larger debris trail than 73 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: that of the two submarines, something so big that it 74 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: would lead him straight to the wreck of one of 75 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: the most famous ships of all time. And then on 76 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: September one, is hard work paid off. The cameras picked 77 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: up something massive, a boiler, the image of which caught 78 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: everyone off guard. It was as big as a house, 79 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: and sure enough it was sitting mere feet from the 80 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: ship's majestic bow. Seventy three years earlier, a brand new 81 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: vessel had pulled out of Southampton, England, bound for New 82 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: York City. Sadly, it never completed its journey. In the 83 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: early morning hours of April fifteenth that struck an iceberg 84 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: and sunk into the depths of the North Atlantic. The 85 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: Titanic was advertised as many things luxurious, safe, and of 86 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: course unsinkable. Well history would prove otherwise, but the ship's 87 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: final resting place would have remained unknown had it not 88 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: been for Robert Ballard's obsession and his keen negotiating skills. 89 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 1: Despite the Titanic's short lived existence, it's made in voyage 90 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: spawned countless tales, many of which were based on the 91 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: lives of those on board. Hundred souls were lost when 92 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: the ship sank, in nine hundred stories that would never 93 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: get their happy endings. However, there was one story that 94 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: did go on to have a happy ending. In fact, 95 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: it had about one thirty of them. Charles Lightsoler was 96 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: the second officer on the Titanic. He grew up as 97 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: part of a working class family in a small town 98 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: in Lancashire, England called Chorley. Charles's mother died soon after 99 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: giving birth to him, and his father remarried, moving him 100 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: to New Zealand ten years later. As a result, young 101 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: Charles was raised by other family members until he was 102 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: old enough to find work on his own. Charles was 103 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: only thirteen when he set out to pave his own way, 104 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: but he didn't want to end up in a factory 105 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: like his parents. Instead, he enlisted as an apprentice with 106 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 1: the sailing vessel known as the Primrose Hill. He traveled 107 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: for years aboard different ships, going to far away places 108 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: like India. By the time he was twenty one, he 109 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: had earned his second mate certificate. Charles tried his hand 110 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: at other professions, including gold prospector in the Yukon, as 111 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: well as a cowboy in Canada, but the sea continued 112 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: to call to him. At the turn of the century, 113 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: he returned to the ocean, this time as an employee 114 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: of the British shipping company White Star Line. Charles had 115 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: worked his way up, functioning as fourth officer on the 116 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: s s Medic before moving to the s S Majestic 117 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: a few years later. The Majestic happened to be captain 118 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: by one Edward J. Smith, who would go on to 119 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: lead another White Star ship, the ill fated RMS Titanic. 120 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: Charles boarded the Titanic in Belfast, roughly one week before 121 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: its maiden voyage was set to begin. He was made 122 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: second officer behind first officer William McMaster Murdoch. Charles was 123 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: thorough in his duties as second officer. He was in 124 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: charge of the last bridge watch shift on the night 125 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: of April fourteenth of nineteen twelve, and made sure other 126 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: lookouts on duty kept an eye out for ice in 127 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: the water. Murdoch then relieved him for the nights, allowing 128 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: Charles to get some shut eye for a few hours. 129 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: At least that was the plan. The second officer hadn't 130 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: even crawled into bed when the Titanic brushed against the 131 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: side of a massive iceberg, and the rest, as they 132 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: always say, is history. Charles was instrumental in evacuating passengers 133 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: off the ship and followed the captain's commands to the letter, 134 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: perhaps to the detriment of himself and others. Smith had 135 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: ordered the lifeboats to be filled with women and children. 136 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: Charles seemed to believe that meant only women and children, 137 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: and so he began lowering lifeboats that were partially filled 138 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: when no other women or children could be found. Even 139 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: leaped aboard a lifeboat full of male passengers and aimed 140 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: his unloaded revolver at them. He called them cowards for 141 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: not staying to help the others. The ashamed men then 142 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: disembarked back onto the Titanic's deck. In a last ditch 143 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: effort before the water overtook the bow, Charles attempted to 144 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: launch a collapsible boat that had been stored on the 145 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: roof of the officers quarters. It landed upside down. As 146 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: the front of Titanic slipped below the waves, the water 147 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: rushed the deck and Charles dove off the roof into 148 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: the icy North Atlantic to save himself. He tried to 149 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: swim away from the ship as quickly as possible, knowing 150 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: the suction would pull him under as it sank, but 151 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: he was still too close, and Charles was pulled against 152 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: the ventilation shaft as Titanic continued its descent. He was 153 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: unable to break free and believed he would drown until 154 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: suddenly in eruption from below forced a wave of hot 155 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: air through the vent, launching him back to the surface. 156 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: It was a boiler that had exploded from inside the ship. 157 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: Charles got his bearings and caught of the collapsible lifeboat 158 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: he had tried to launch earlier. He tried pulling himself 159 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: on board using a rope hanging from its side, only 160 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: to see one of the Titanic's funnels collapse close by. 161 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: It landed inches away, and the ensuing wave sent him 162 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: and the lifeboat flying fifty yards from the ship, but 163 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: he was able to climb on top of the collapsible, 164 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: along with several other survivors, as they watched the Titanic 165 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: disappear into the murky depths below. After that, he helped 166 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: to keep the people in the boat calm during the night, 167 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: showing them how to shift their weight to prevent ocean 168 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: swells from tossing them back into the water. Hours later, 169 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: the RMS Carpathia, a passenger steamship that had received Titanics 170 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: distress calls, arrived on seeing to rescue Charles and over 171 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: seven d other survivors. The Titanic second officer had been 172 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: given a second chance, one he made sure to use 173 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: to help others for the rest of his life. He 174 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: went on to fight in World War One, serving in 175 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: the Royal Navy Reserve on board another White star ship, 176 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: the RMS Oceanic. At end of the war, he retired 177 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: from service as a commander. Charles lived a fairly quiet 178 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: life after that, writing a book about his time at 179 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: sea and what he had encountered aboard the Titanic, and 180 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: then in nineteen forty he got the opportunity to jump 181 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: into action one more time. Charles sailed to northern France 182 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: in his motor yacht Sundowner, along with his son Roger. 183 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: Charles refused to let the military requisition his boat against 184 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: his will, so he chose to sail it himself where 185 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: it was needed. Sundowner had a maximum capacity of twenty 186 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: one passengers. That didn't stop Charles and his son from 187 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: loading one seven British servicemen on board anyway. The battle 188 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: and subsequent evacuation of Dunkirk saw the deaths of thousands 189 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: of Allied soldiers, and thanks to one perfectly timed boiler explosion, 190 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: Charles Lightholer was there to help as many as he could, 191 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: just as he had done on board the Titanic thirty 192 00:10:54,480 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: years before. I hope you've enjoyed today's guided to were 193 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: of the Cabinet of Curiosities. Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts, 194 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: or learn more about the show by visiting Curiosities podcast 195 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: dot com. The show was created by me Aaron Mankey 196 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: in partnership with how Stuff Works. 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