WEBVTT - Beating The Book: 2019 NFL MegaPod Week 4 Preview 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:12.039 Check it on Man Now Down Now Thursday morning, September 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:17.400 Tend Up Eating the Book podcast BEGA Pod full Week 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.560 four in the National Football League. It's Gill Alexander. As 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.600 I mentioned, thank you for joining. As always, the staples 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:25.840 of the show are with us today from Circus Sports, 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.040 the vice president of operations, and also Derek Stephen's conciliary. 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.000 If you want to know by that title, it's Mike Palm. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.160 Thank you, Mike. How you doing, Man? Well, we're finally 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.400 getting over this cold. It's breaking up now, so so 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.360 that's good. And I'm very, very very honored to be 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:44.160 on the panel with today's esteemed rotating guests. Esteamed Rotating Guests. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:45.479 We'll get to him, but of course on my left 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:49.400 it's Todd wishing of everybody from Showtime's docuseries Action and 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.040 of course a numbers game, weekly appearances on Visa and Todd. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.400 What are you in circle right now? Ten and five? 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.080 I am ten and five and Circus So the end 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.760 is near? What does that me that you're about to 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.319 say you're about to suck royally? Yes? Probably excellent. You've 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:06.240 also been very good on this megapod. The both of 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.600 you have been very good I have sucked. I've been 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:10.840 one in two every week and they've lost the teaser. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.640 So something's wrong with me. I gotta get off this night. Uh. 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:15.880 The Rotating guests that Mike Palm is referring to the 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.600 esteem Rotating Guests first time on the podcast. He's obviously 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.240 been on the show on Visa on the Numbers Game 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.360 for years now. We can actually say years plural. He 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.800 hosts the Lombardi Line on Visa in the Vegas Stats 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.000 and Information Network series x M channel two oh four 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.039 Saturday and Sunday mornings leading into football. He writes for 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.920 The Athletic. He of course, has his own podcast, which 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.679 ranks way higher than this one, I might add in 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.120 the iTunes rankings, called the GM Shuffle. He does it 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.520 with add Nan verk And and he's got a book. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:47.720 It's called Gridiron Genius Ladies and Gentlemen. He's worked with 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.400 Bill Walsh, Bill Parcels, Bill Belichick, Al Davis, you name it. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:55.600 It's Michael Lombardi. What's happening, Michael? Not much here? Week four? 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.240 This is always a good time of the year. I 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.920 appreciate you having me on. It's good on starting to act, 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.040 so I think you gave me the ultimate compliment when 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.600 I said something about Pinnacle the other day. You actually 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.239 were I'm pressure you with my betting Esteine there. Yes, 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.000 that was my big takeaway from that all interview. I 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:12.920 was like, wow, it has been Actually, you know what, 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:14.959 there were two There were two points Todd actually said, 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.840 because Todd came on the next day after you were on, 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.400 and he's and Todd, if I might talk about our 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.519 conversation about Michael, there were two points that we had 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.960 in our conversation I think stood above the rest. One 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.920 if you're playing the Kansas City Chiefs, like run the 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.840 clock down, shorten the game, right like that was a 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.960 big thing that the Ravens didn't do. And what was 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.000 the other one, Todd that we seized upon. Oh the 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:41.000 coaches thing. How you could almost do better just betting 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:44.800 coaches in the National Football League. Forget every other little detail. 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.800 Just do a power ranking of coaches and bet coaches 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:49.800 and you might be better off than actually putting your 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.400 own brain into things. I think that's true, I really do. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:54.640 I was talking to a coach last night. He's driving 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.600 home from work, and we were talking about how these 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:01.440 teams they don't understand that pass rush really determines how 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.959 to play the quarterback. So you know, for example, De 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.520 Troit it's gonna play Kansas City, and they'll copy what 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.040 Belichick did against Kansas City. They'll take their two defensive 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.880 ends and they'll push the pocket back and they'll try 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.520 to squeeze the two tackles, especially cam Elion is not 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:19.840 very good, try to squeeze him in and make the 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.440 pocket a little uncomfortable for Mahomes and end up going 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:26.040 to try to jam Mahomes and the receivers to kind 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.160 of disrupt the timing. And so the front can really 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.760 help the quarterback, and coverage help defend the quarterback as 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.440 opposed to coverages. But most coaches they don't see that 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.440 there's an imbalanced pass rush. You'll see three guys on 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.280 one side of the center and one guy over there 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.720 at the quarterback scrambles for twenty odds, and the analysis 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:47.119 as well, you know they scrambles for twenty ars first down. 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.280 Now that that should never happen. So those little details 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.000 that coaches don't see, the good ones do, that's what 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.720 you're betting against. Should it ever happen on fourth and 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.280 five on the last drive of the game, that the 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.320 quarterbacks should be allowed to run down the Red Sea 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:05.600 as the Israelites did going away from Egypt, no one 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.240 anywhere near him to score the game winning touchdowns. Should 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.360 that ever happen? Ah? Well, that you know, that's really uh, 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.120 that's what we call coaching mal practice. I mean, you know. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.600 And so it's one thing to play too deep men 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:20.880 under where you lose sight of the quarterback. But if 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.159 you do that, you better have somebody in the defensive 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.520 front who's making that pocket very tight and keeping it 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.680 in there. And no, it should never happen like that. Look, 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:35.520 the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are you know, I marvel at 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.680 the pr of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You know, Jason 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.039 Lights drafted two kickers. He can't I think you can't 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.200 get a kicker situation solved. And he's got a new 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.960 five year contract extension. Bruce Arians has come in as 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:51.520 this quarterback guru, and then he's let's change, let's he 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.280 lets Byron left, which call all the plays, Like we 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.520 hired you, Bruce, we didn't hire Byron, you know, like 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.800 like you're the reason you're the highest paid coach on 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.159 this that you should be calling the plays. You should 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.320 be running the offense. So the Bucks to me, I 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.000 don't know. I was actually having the same conversation with 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:09.880 his head coach and we were talking about how bad 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.040 the Bucks were and and he was like, look, they 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:16.120 only give a shit about Manchester United anyway. All those 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.000 all those Buccaneers receivers were very well covered, Todd. I 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.360 just want to point that out, very well covered, except 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.800 they forgot about the quarterback. By the way, I'm glad 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:25.479 you cursed right there, Michael, because you are allowed to 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.520 curse here. My last experience with Michael Lombardi cursing on 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.080 podcasts is when you used to do the the old 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.960 one with your buddy Tate Frasier. Young jim Nance by 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.680 the way, everybody um and Jimmy, Yeah, Little Jimmy, I 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.039 call it. Actually, we did a podcast today with Little 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.599 Jimmy Atman and I hosted a Little Jimmy on. We 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.559 had a segment where we talked about the great Baker 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.800 Mayfield and we talked about the clip that I think 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:53.280 is the essence of of who the Washington Redskins are. 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.440 It was in the Washington Post the other day and 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.840 Mike Palm, you need to look at this because If 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:02.800 you ever see any of your employees down at Circa 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.320 or at at your hotel's behaving like this, you know 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.359 your culture is rotten. It's Dwayne Haskins sitting on the 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:14.480 bench looking completely in the opposite direction as Kevin O'Connell 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:19.600 instructs case Keenum on what to do. Yeah, my beloved 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:23.480 Washington Reskins, so bad, so bad. Might be Colt McCoy 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.920 this weekend we shall see, could be Dwayne Haskins, might 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.719 be called McCoy Case Keenum in a walking boot. By 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.239 the way, what's Tate doing now? I think Kate's as 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.400 as one of the great Mike. You might know this guy, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.400 you know, Mike Tony, Mike Mike. You know Mike tomp 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:40.960 Do you know Mike Tony? Michael Tony. Michael Tony used 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.080 to hang around when I was in Vegas. He would 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:47.640 hang around the basketball program. He would come in Tim 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.920 Gergeritz who's now at the Pistons, Mark Arkantine is at 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.080 the Nuggets, and I and I was. I had an 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.479 office next door of them. So Tony was helping out 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.279 the football and the basketball program, helping us get comp 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.200 tickets and all that stuff. And he under the greatest 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.600 line of all. He said he was in between successes, 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:06.880 and I think that's where Tate Fraser is right in 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.720 between successes, in between successes. I like that. Um. Just 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.760 to finish, the last time I was listening to their podcast, UM, 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.280 I was playing catch with my de facto daughter, a 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.920 little Gracie, who was eleven years old at the time, 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:20.200 when we were playing catch in the room, and I 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.240 was listening to uh Lombardi on the the old podcast, 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.400 and then Lombardi starts cursing like a sailor and I 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.360 had to sprint across the room and shut off the podcast. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.000 You are very animated. No, that's quite all right. I 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.559 was probably bad. It's was probably something man at something. 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.520 By the way, Gild, is it possible that on the 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.400 wonder Lick test, there's not a question saying if the 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:45.560 head boats talking to the quarterback, do you a pay 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.720 attention or be look in the other direction? Seriously, it's 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.960 not even Dwayne's fault though, right, yes, Gild, you had 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.040 Haskins is ready to play in the NFL. I don't. 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:00.200 I don't see him playing. I don't know what is 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.240 in the playbook. He's even with it. They could start 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.600 him this week. Yeah, I'm not sure that you know. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.400 I mean, Mike, Here's what I said tweeting. I was 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.080 having a tweet storm the other night on Monday Night football, 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.880 after my favorite who I will never mention his name, 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:17.600 after my favorite general manager, who's Fio and one with 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.880 the Redskins, And I just tweeted this very clearly. I said, 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.400 I said, you people calling for Askins of the dumbest 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.920 human beings of all time because the starters aren't ready 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.120 to play, how do you think the backups could be 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.520 ready to play? I got so many tweets like that, like, oh, 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.080 you think we should put it Haskins against the Bears? Now? 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.679 Are you kidding me? You'll ruin the kid. Let's get 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.360 into a gentleman, Let's get into our best bets of 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.280 the week, Mike, real quick circle million update. How many 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.040 people at thirteen and two? Three at the top. Yeah, 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.880 we have three at thirteen and two, and then we 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:54.600 have ten at twelve two and one and ten at 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.439 twelve and three. So there are twenty three people either 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.480 at the leader within one game of the leading. Heading 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.080 into the final week of September, Todd wishnev is in 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.280 this ship not for the not for the quarterly, but 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.600 for the for the whole kitten caboodle. He's in this. Yeah, 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.840 I think if you, if you over the course of 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:13.760 the season, hit hit, hit at the rate he's hitting, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.480 you're right there in the conversation. Because remember we're talking 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.320 about Westgate having almost double the amount of people. So 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:22.960 I don't think it's going to take that kind of 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.000 a percentage to win this thing. Just because of the 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.840 sample size, right, you won't know. The randomness is that 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.920 much more muted. Exactly. The nice thing about Circle again again, 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.000 if you go oh, in twenty the first four weeks, 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.240 and then you go five and oh week five, it's 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.559 all good because then you have a three week sprint 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:40.360 to try to get a hundred forty seven thousand in 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.640 the quarterly. So just a great contest over there at Circle. Mike, 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:45.560 we start with you, Mike Palm. Actually, you know what, 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.000 let's let's go to our guest, Michael Lombardi. Michael, you 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.199 said you might have a pick or two. What do 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.240 you like best on this late You know, I like 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:58.280 the Denver broncos I think that Denver is a you know, 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.080 they if you if I were to tell you you 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.560 that that Denver would not have a fumble, created, would 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.080 not have a sack, and would not have an interception. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.600 After three games, I would say, well, there's another planet 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.040 I'm living on. And if I would also tell you 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:15.680 that Jill Flacco's numbers, his numbers are similar to what 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.840 his numbers were in two thousand and fourteen. Now they're 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.640 not great, don't get me wrong, and they're not great, 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.160 but he's averaging seven yards per attempt down the field, 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.199 which is highest since two thousand and fourteen. He's had 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.160 five passes over twenty five yards this year. Now, he's 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.400 not playing great, but what he's been able to do 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.480 is their defense is only playing about twenty eight minutes, 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.840 so they're playing less defense, which is one of the 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.839 things that I love the most is teams that play 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.000 less defense. Beans you can play good defense. And I 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.160 think the listen line has moved. It's it's open to three. 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.720 It's I think the Sharps are playing Denver a little 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.280 bit three and a half. We knowe Denver's twenty two 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.400 and going into the first game of the year against 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.600 the Bears that they kind of got ripped off and lost, 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.440 they should be twenty three and oh in the month 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:02.000 of September. I Denver to bounce back this week. I 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:06.320 think they'll create some turnovers for Gardner, McKay Minshew and uh. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.280 And I just hope that they give the ball to 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.760 for Neet because if there's ever a more overrated player 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.240 in the NFL, it's for that. We were talking about 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.400 him for fantasy purposes today with Todd Wright on the 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.960 show on a numbers games just awful. I'm just gonna 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.080 step in, Mike and take my turn on the button 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.600 because I have Denver two as uh my first best bet. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.360 Denver is favored by three. It is extra juice, but 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.760 it is three across the board. And I agree with 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.280 everything you're saying, Michael. For the third strade game, Von Miller, 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:37.320 Bradley Chubb, Denver defense, no sack, no turnover forced. If 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:41.360 there was a game where Vic Fangio can get his 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.240 defense to do something, it's against the quarterback who has 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.240 only had two career starts in Gardner Minshew. Yes, I know, 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.319 he has a seventy four percent completion percentage, the highest 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.720 in any players first three career games since the merger 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.400 minimum seventy attempts. But if there was ever a game 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.320 that this defense should show up and you're only giving three. 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.199 I too, am taking the Roncos is my first bet. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.120 The only caveat I will say here, Michael is let's 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:05.840 see how long it takes for us to text each 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:07.400 other and say, oh my god, we're betting on the 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.280 Joe Flacco face. That's the only thing. It's the only 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.080 thing I'm worried about. I'll send that. I'll send that 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:17.720 text before the game. I promise you. Flacco sacked six times, 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.680 by the way last week in Denver's loss. Mike Palm 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.719 your first best bet, sir, well, At the risk of 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.280 offending Michael Lombardi, I'm gonna go to a game that 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.240 I think the wrong team is favored here and I'm 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:34.280 gonna take the Vikings plus two uh at Soldier Field. 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.839 If not for the fact that Kirk Cousins hasn't won 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.080 a big game since he threw the Hail Mary against 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:44.000 Russell Wilson's Badgers, and he's Lansing, I would bet all 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.280 of Todd wishnavs, Visa and paycheck on the Vikings on 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:53.800 this game. I how that is bold. I think Minnesota 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.600 benefits from having this game earlier in the year. Where 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.760 it's not going to be a frigid soldier field. It 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.880 should be very nice, almost perfect football weather with a 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:06.559 three kick in Chicago. I think that Minnesota is so 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.959 far the best team in the NFC. They actually dominated 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.400 Green Bay for three quarters of that game in lambeau Field. 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.960 I'm very impressed with their ability to run the football 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.400 right at you, and yet they still have all the 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:24.840 talent at wide receiver and tight end. It's a formidable defense. Uh. 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:26.880 I think there's a little bit of a coaching edge 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.440 in terms of of just from the fact that Naggi 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.960 is so limited in what he can do with Trabinsky. Now, 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.800 I thought Trabinsky looked a little better trying to run 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.640 this hurry up offense. But then again, I remind myself 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:42.000 it's the Washington Redskins defense, and you know, a good 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.960 Texas six A team could go up and down the 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.880 field against them as well. So I'm gonna take Minnesota 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.760 and take a couple of points on the road here 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.840 against the Bears. You know what, I actually think the 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.880 Redskins defense is actually pretty good. I just don't think 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.599 if you give them ten yards to defend right and 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.720 they're on the field all game along, I don't know 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.720 that we get a real accurate spate of them. The 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.079 other thing that Minnesota has done great, They've kept Kirk 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.520 Cousins off the field. So Cousins fifteen of twenty one 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.360 last week a hundred seventy four yards for the second 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.760 time in two Minnesota wins. They did not even attempt 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:18.720 a fourth quarter pass so against Atlanta and then last 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.680 week again who they played last week? Again? Real quick, 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.720 I can't remember Minnesota the Raiders both of those games, 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:25.720 not a single for fourth quarter past and remember that 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:29.200 went against Atlanta. Eleven dropbacks for the whole game, ten 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.480 pass attempts from Cousins. So I guess whatever works. Dalvin 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.680 Cook sixteen for one ten last week after missing nineteen 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.400 of his first thirty four games. Michael LAMBARTI, did you 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.760 want to respond to Mike Palm taking the vikings there 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.800 at all? I love it. I think that when you 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.800 look at when you look at this game, I mean, 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.680 you know what you've got is you know we talked 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.680 about coaching. You know, Mike Zimmers, Uh, Mike Zimmer understands 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.560 how to play the great Mitchell Robinsky. Mitchell's average five 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:55.880 yards for past attempt in the games that he's had 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.440 to play. Last year they went to get Last year 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.520 they won both games only because they could run the ball. 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.000 Last year they ran for three seven yards in those 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.840 two games. You know, m v P. Mitch has thrown 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:10.120 twenty five passes over ten yards this year, Gil and 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.000 m v P. Mitchell has completed six of them. So 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:17.360 anytime you're getting the points and Mitchell's your opponent, I say, go, 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.760 I want to ask you this question. Is there anybody 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:25.560 in your guess, in your posts uh NFL employed life, 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.160 let's say, in your broadcasting life, that you have had 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.320 in your craws more than Mitchell Drobiski? Does anybody you've 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.360 hated more? You know? And I don't hate him. I 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.600 just hate people's ignorance. I hate people thinking that that 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.600 what you're that you're you're using this as an agenda. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.080 I don't have an agenda, you know. I off readily 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:43.840 admit if I would have been the general manager of 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:45.440 the Bears, I would have stayed at three and I 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.200 would have picked the Shawn Watson and I would have 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.880 probably had to listen to people tell me I should 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.080 have picked the homes and they were right, you know, 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.480 But to pick a quarterback that did play one year 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.680 at North Carolina, didn't get didn't get scholarship to play 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.840 quarterback at Ohio State, and then trying to convince me 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.400 that he's coming around, he's playing better. When he goes 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.640 against the correndous secondary, throws the ball, Damn they're out 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.520 of bounds on the deep throw that the kid makes 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.560 an incredible catch and keeps his feet in bounds. Anytime 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.120 he throws the ball, you're working extra hard to catch it. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.280 Accuracy is something you can't improve in quarterbacks. And so 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.400 when the game's on the line, look, let's let's be 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.480 honest here. This game is gonna be a third down game. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.440 Mike Zimmer is one of the best third down coaches 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.960 in football. This is where he wins. You've got to 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:30.240 try to stay away from third down and stay out 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.600 of that for me and stay out of those situations. 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.240 And when you look at Mitchell, you know Mitchell's not 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.760 a good third down The game goes too fast for him. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.320 So I'm not I'm not you know, I hate I 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.880 don't hate the guy, but I do know that if 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.840 if Mike Zimmer stops the run in this game and 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.240 puts it on Mitchell and Mitchell has to expend throw 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:53.840 over ten yards. I think that I think Mike Mike 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.320 Palm is correct. I think that that it's favors, its 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.600 favors Minnesota take the points and watch Mitchell. Yeah. And 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:01.640 I don't mean to and to insinuate that you hate 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:03.720 him personally, but just the the game and all the 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.000 things that you said. I'll say this here. I'll say 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:07.800 it on the podcast because I I don't say it 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:09.520 on Visa and when we do our segments because it's 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.920 a bit of a third rail. But I guess maybe 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.159 it's because I was also watching the great ESPN one 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.119 fifty year uh College Football Special America's game and they 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.560 did one on integration. Um. So this is kind of 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.359 close to home because my ex father in law was 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.760 a great high school quarterback African American in Fullerton, California. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.800 He later became a great safety for the Over the 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.280 Hill Gang Washington Redskins. But when he was recruited as 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.400 a quarterback, his name is Brig brig Owens. His name, 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.280 his first name is Brig. He was recruited by b 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.320 y U and they thought sight unseen. They just saw 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.639 his stats that he was short for Brigham and so 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.480 they recruit him at b y U and then when 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.720 they saw him on campus, they were like, uh no, 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.520 this can't work. This is back in the sixties. I'm 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:55.160 wondering the Robiskie thing where they traded up guy played 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.919 one year at North Carolina, didn't draft to Shaun Watson, 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.520 didn't draft Patrick Mahomes. We're are still seeing a lot 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.280 of this in football. And I guess what I'm saying 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.280 is if a black quarterback played one season at North Carolina, 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.560 would they have traded up to draft him? Like, I 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:10.320 really wonder if we still have a little of that 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.280 still lurking in the NFL. Yeah, I mean I don't. 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.520 I think we fall in love with I think Ryan 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.359 Pace fell in love with potential, and you know, and 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.200 and I think that anytime you fall in love with potential, 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.719 because there's no way you take a quarterback in the 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.040 same conference the guys won the Player of the Conference 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.320 two years in a row called the a CEC. You 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.640 take the guy who played at North Carolina one year. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.120 Like if I went upstairs and said to Millie, my wife, Look, 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.000 we're gonna take a guy from the a c C. 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.679 But he's not the best quarterback in the conference. He 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.840 didn't start three years and he didn't win the national championship. 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.000 Her CPA instincts would say to me, you're an idiot. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.280 Go back back to your office. Yeah, And and can 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.200 I just say, like for people who are like, oh, Gail, 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.600 you can't say that, I'll give me that. Sam Donald, 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:58.399 Josh Rosen, Josh Allen all drafted ahead of Lamar Jackson. Right, 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.360 Lamar Jackson looks pretty good to me, Gil I I 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.280 wrote that. I wrote that for the for my article 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.159 for the Athletic tomorrow. And if you go to and 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.560 I don't look, I don't buy a lot of like, 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.359 I'm not against analytics, so I like objective things like 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.680 the Madden ratings. I do. I think you know they're 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.160 completely objective. Whether you agree with it or not. There's 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.040 no bias in it. So it's based strictly on numbers. 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.560 For Whisky was the worst quarterback in the Madden ratings. 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.560 But if you go to q BR and whether you 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.679 like to BR or not, and you revisit that draft, 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.520 that Donald Baker Mayfield draft, I mean, Lamar Jackson has 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.680 an eighty quarterback rating. They can make sure us a 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:38.520