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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast.

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Speaker 2: The this goes out to the underdog addition, as the

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Speaker 2: Bengals look to knock off one of the hottest teams

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Speaker 2: in the NFL and end the Patriots eight game winning streak.

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Speaker 2: Coming up, my one on one conversation with t Higgins,

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Speaker 2: who tells us why he's thrilled to be a Bengal

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Speaker 2: for years to come.

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Speaker 1: Former NFL quarterback Trent Green.

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Speaker 2: Will be in the booth for CBS this week and

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Speaker 2: shares his thoughts on the Jos, Joe Flacco and Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: in Mason on Wednesday night, December tenth, and whatever you do,

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Speaker 2: be sure to bring your appetite. As you probably know

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Speaker 2: by now, the Bengals will not have Jamar Chase for

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Speaker 2: Sunday's game against New England. He's been suspended for one

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Speaker 2: game for spitting at Pittsburgh's Jalen Ramsey, a notorious agitator.

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Speaker 2: Nobody condones what Jamar did, but Zach Taylor was quick

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Speaker 2: to defend the character of his all Pro receiver.

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Speaker 3: I think Jamar Chase will go down as one of

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Speaker 3: my favorite all time players and favorite all time leaders

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Speaker 3: and everything he's about. So I keep hearing this. It's

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Speaker 3: like we're trying to make something out of the situation

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Speaker 3: that it's the only thing that's kind of upset me

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Speaker 3: as I'm sitting in here, because for a guy that

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Speaker 3: has done everything we can to build our organization around,

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Speaker 3: he's been off not perfect. I'm not perfect, I trust me.

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Speaker 3: I made plenty of mistakes yesterday people don't see on camera.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately his what was and so he's gonna have to

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Speaker 3: wun up for that and that will be part of

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Speaker 3: his journey. He's still in some ways he's a veteran.

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Speaker 3: He's still I think he's going to play a long time.

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Speaker 3: And so when you look at the overall part of

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Speaker 3: his career. This will be the beginning of his career.

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Speaker 3: In a lot of words, well a lot of ways.

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Speaker 3: I hope you understand my position on this, because he's

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Speaker 2: Jamar has missed five previous games in his career due

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Speaker 2: to injury, and the Bengals have managed to go three

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Speaker 2: and two, scoring an average of twenty four point six points.

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Speaker 2: To win on Sunday, the team's other offensive weapons are

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Speaker 4: You know that was a message to them this morning

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Speaker 4: you don't have Jamar available. I mean, everybody has eyes

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Speaker 4: There will be a lot of guys with chances to

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Speaker 2: Of course, the number one guy is t Higgins, who's

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Speaker 2: played well in Jamar's absence before. We discussed that and

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Speaker 1: How does that affect you?

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Speaker 5: I don't feel like it affects me too much. You know,

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Speaker 2: In the games he's missed in the past, you've averaged

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always a tone when he's not there, obviously,

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Speaker 5: That's that's the overall goal here, and not necessarily you know,

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Speaker 2: A w We're chatting to T Higgins. We're having this conversation.

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Speaker 2: On the Wednesday of the Patriots game. Nine days ago,

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Speaker 5: You know, I didn't even know that he was even practicing.

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Speaker 5: And Jamar came up to him, was like, non practicing.

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Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, you wanna see because I ain't see

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Speaker 6: But it was good to see him out there. Man.

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Speaker 2: He clearly wants to play, regardless of the Bengals record

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 6: I mean, this is this type of competitor that he is.

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Speaker 5: You know, nobody wants to sit out and just you know,

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Speaker 5: pretty sure he's been eating him alive ever since he

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Speaker 2: So yeah, since Joe's been out, Joe Flacco has done

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Speaker 2: a remarkable job. You guys almost have the same birthday,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, you know I admire his hard work, you know,

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Speaker 5: loves the game, man, you could tell. You know, he

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Speaker 6: So you know, you know, I look up to him.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, man, he's a great guy. He's coming along.

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Speaker 1: We're chatting with t Higgins.

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Speaker 2: He's throwing you five touchdown passes over the last four games.

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Speaker 2: How quickly did you feel like the two of you

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Speaker 6: Really? Just in practice?

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Speaker 5: Man, you know the balls that he was just giving

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Speaker 6: Jim and Jamar even talked about it.

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Speaker 5: So and he makes sure he puts the ball where

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Speaker 2: The last time we sat down for one of these

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Speaker 2: and it almost felt like a bit of a goodbye.

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Speaker 2: We didn't know about your contract situation at the time.

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Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. I'm happy to be here. I

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Speaker 5: with my guys, came in with Joe, it's just been

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Speaker 5: It's been one hell of a ride.

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Speaker 6: For sure.

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Speaker 2: After the final game last year, when guys emptied out

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Speaker 5: You know, I took up a lot of my cliques

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Speaker 5: the situation with Joe, you know, he's a captain in Cleveland,

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Speaker 6: With us, you know what I mean, So you never know.

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Speaker 5: But definitely said Michael Bye's and then when I came back,

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Speaker 5: I said my hellos again.

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Speaker 2: In handshake lines after games last year, did guys quietly

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Speaker 2: say to you, dude, we need you over here next year?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 5: It was few, you know, you know, you get that

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Speaker 5: But yeah, man, it was good. You know, I guess

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Speaker 5: to know that other guys wants you on the team.

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Speaker 2: So I think another sports team like baseball, for example,

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Speaker 2: easy to do your job. You go out there, there's

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Speaker 2: How challenging is it when your playoff odds aren't good?

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Speaker 2: So you face the Patriots this week. They've got nine

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Speaker 1: That would tie an NFL record. It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 6: Whether tie it or break it.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time, Thanks to you, Thank you, now time

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Speaker 2: for an update on Joe Squared, Flacco and Burrow. Joe

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Speaker 2: Flacco is still dealing with a shoulder injury. In recent weeks,

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Speaker 2: He's rested his arm on Wednesday, practiced on Thursday, and

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Speaker 2: Flatco's three starts at pay Corpse Stadium. Cincinnati is Joe's

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Speaker 8: Being in Ohio, like, and you can just tell you

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Speaker 2: If he wants to stick around next year as Burrows

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Speaker 2: We are joined by two time Pro Bowl quarterback Trent Green.

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Speaker 2: The proud dad of a University of Cincinnati women's volleyball player.

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Speaker 2: Is your daughter enjoying being a bear Cat.

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Speaker 7: She is. Yeah, she is.

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Speaker 9: SEE experiences has been good for She's found a great

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Speaker 1: Great to hear. Let's talk football.

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Speaker 2: You played in the NFL until you were thirty eight,

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Speaker 9: Well, I think the biggest thing is how quickly he's

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Speaker 7: Joe's been very good at.

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Speaker 9: The other part is at that age, I know what

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Speaker 7: Well, here's the thing.

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Speaker 9: I don't care what the rect is, what the score is.

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Speaker 7: So if he plays this league.

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Speaker 2: If the doctor gives Joe the greenlight to return and

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Speaker 9: I remember we had the game game right after Joe

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Speaker 2: We're visiting the former Pro Bowl quarterback Trent Green from CBS.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals are not going to have Jamar Chase this week.

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Speaker 2: In your playing days, how did you approach it when

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Speaker 9: he's the best in the league. He won the Triple

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Speaker 9: Crown last year. I mean, what he's able to do.

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Speaker 7: So you've just got to have other guys step up.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 9: You hear that mentality from coaches, you hear that mentality

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Speaker 9: from players all the time, and next man up, next

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Speaker 9: man up, next man up.

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Speaker 7: And it's hard to replace a guy like Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 9: Just because of how talented he is and what he's

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Speaker 9: accomplished up until this point. But what it does is

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Speaker 9: it creates an opportunity for someone else to be that playmaker,

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Speaker 9: to be not Jamar Chase, but to be the best

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Speaker 9: version of themselves and all of a sudden give themselves

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Speaker 9: an opportunity to showcase their talent in those tough situations

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Speaker 9: that we're so accustomed to seeing Chase handle those things.

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Speaker 2: It's obviously been a challenging year for the Bengals on defense.

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Speaker 2: You did the game last week in Pittsburgh. The defense

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Speaker 2: only allowed twenty points in that game. Did you see

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Speaker 2: any improvement?

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Speaker 9: I did see improvement. I thought the tackling was better.

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Speaker 9: I know that's been a big issue during the season,

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Speaker 9: is misstackles. There were some, but not nearly at least

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Speaker 9: in my mind, not nearly as many mistackles as in

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Speaker 9: previous years or in previous games. I thought another issue

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Speaker 9: that had been with some of those explosive big runs.

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Speaker 9: The Steelers did have a couple of those, but I

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Speaker 9: thought for the most part kept those in check. As

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Speaker 9: far as like big pass plays, those kinds of things,

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Speaker 9: I thought there were less big plays, less mistackles. I

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Speaker 9: love you didn't see, or at least I didn't see.

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Speaker 9: I guess I wasn't sure what to expect right, because

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Speaker 9: this has been a frustrating thing, especially especially with the

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Speaker 9: defensive side of the ball. There was great energy on

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Speaker 9: that side. Saw guys flying to the ball, The effort

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Speaker 9: was there, There was excitement when big plays were made.

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Speaker 9: You see team You see teammates rallying and excited for

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Speaker 9: one another. Those are all things you can keep the

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Speaker 9: tabs on, or what I did as a player and

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Speaker 9: now as a broadcaster kind of you kind of get

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Speaker 9: the personnel or the vibe of the team based on

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Speaker 9: the energy level that guys are bringing. You can pick

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Speaker 9: it up right away and warm up. She can pick

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Speaker 9: it up on special teams. You can pick it up

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Speaker 9: on the way the bench responds when a big play happens.

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Speaker 9: You know, there's lots of things that you can tell

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Speaker 9: about a team, and I saw all those things last week.

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Speaker 9: Even though it was a frustrating outcome and I know

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Speaker 9: the defense wasn't happy with what they did, I did

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Speaker 9: see some improvement on that side.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots come to town with an eight game winning streak.

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Speaker 2: They won a total of eight games in the last

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Speaker 2: two years combined. Are you mildly surprised or stunned?

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna say surprised.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if I would say stunned, because I

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Speaker 9: have a lot of faith in Mike Rabel and what

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Speaker 9: he was able to do in Tennessee. I believe in

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Speaker 9: Josh McDaniel and what he's done in terms of developing quarterbacks.

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Speaker 9: You know, I go back to Mac Jones his rookie year.

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Speaker 9: His best year was his rookie year and that was

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Speaker 9: with Josh McDaniels prior to him leaving to go to

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Speaker 9: the Raiders. So he does a great job of developing quarterbacks.

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Speaker 9: I think he's done a good job of developing Drake May,

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Speaker 9: putting him in positive positions. And then what I think

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Speaker 9: people forget is the amount of money. You know, it

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Speaker 9: wasn't a very New England Patriot kind of off season.

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Speaker 9: This was they put a lot of money into both

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Speaker 9: sides of the football, bringing in personnel, spending money over

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Speaker 9: the last couple of seasons, but especially this year, so

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Speaker 9: bringing in the coaching staff, bringing in the personnel they have,

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Speaker 9: and then the direction that Mike Rabel as a leader

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Speaker 9: as a head coach. So surprised a little bit, but

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Speaker 9: not like completely stunned. No, it's and then you also,

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Speaker 9: I know a lot of people have brought up the

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Speaker 9: fact that who their opponents have been, like the strength

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Speaker 9: of schedule and some of the teams that they've played.

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Speaker 7: I had a head coach.

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Speaker 9: They used to say, listen, you play who you play, whoever,

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Speaker 9: whoever the NFL puts on the rout or that's who

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Speaker 9: you're playing. It could be, you know, you may be

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Speaker 9: playing all team or a bunch of teams with winning records.

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Speaker 9: You may be playing only a couple. So never make

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Speaker 9: an excuse from a schedule standpoint. Played the guys on

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Speaker 9: your schedule and attack it, and that's what the Patriots

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Speaker 9: have done.

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Speaker 2: Drake May is one of the leading candidates for NFL MVP.

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Speaker 2: What's jumped out about his play in year two?

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Speaker 9: Wow, there's a bunch his completion percentages jumped I gave

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Speaker 9: once again, I give a lot of this to Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 7: I think putting him in good position.

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Speaker 9: His completion percentage is over seventy percent, maybe even seventy

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Speaker 9: one and a half percent. His yards per game is

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Speaker 9: up nearly seventy seventy five yards. He's already got more

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Speaker 9: touchdown passes and half the interceptions that he had a

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Speaker 9: year ago where he only started twelve games as a rookie,

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Speaker 9: so and here he is going into his twelfth game

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Speaker 9: this year. So I think the thing probably the biggest

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Speaker 9: thing that's jumped out. He's been smart with the football,

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Speaker 9: hasn't turned it over for a young player. That's always

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Speaker 9: difficult to do, especially with someone with an arm like his.

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Speaker 9: You feel like you can make any throw. You're young

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Speaker 9: enough to where you think he can make any throw.

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Speaker 9: But sometimes it's making the right decision that helps your

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Speaker 9: team the best. So protecting the football, his accuracy has

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Speaker 9: jumped out. He has the ability to make big plays,

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Speaker 9: but doesn't force it when those opportunities comes in makes

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Speaker 9: he makes sure that he's mindful of the football.

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Speaker 1: Final question for Trent Green.

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Speaker 2: You've called games with Kevin Harlan now for the past

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Speaker 2: several years on CBS. I am the president of the

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Speaker 2: Kevin Harlan Fan Club, actually co president with my son Sam.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite Harlanism or a call that

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Speaker 2: Kevin Harlan has made since you two guys have been together.

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Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, there are so many, and probably the

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Speaker 9: most memorable year for me, and I know it wasn't

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Speaker 9: for everyone.

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Speaker 7: The COVID year.

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Speaker 9: Where there were majority of the time there were no

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Speaker 9: fans in the stands. Some of the stadiums allowed a

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Speaker 9: few fans in there. His energy, it didn't matter if

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Speaker 9: there were fans in the stands or not. His energy

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Speaker 9: level and what he was able to bring, he brings

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Speaker 9: it every single broadcast.

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Speaker 7: Uh. It's just a true joy to work with with Kevin.

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Speaker 7: He's the best.

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Speaker 9: As you said, you know, he's phenomenal, whether whether he's

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Speaker 9: called on TV or radio. Uh, it's it's pretty phenomenal.

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Speaker 9: So my my best one, just because it's the most

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Speaker 9: current one and I hate to do it to the

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Speaker 9: Bengals defense, is the the one this week with Washington,

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Speaker 9: the mat on the windshog, Like, what did you just say,

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Speaker 9: you know, when he when he said that this week

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Speaker 9: about Washington, Uh, you know, rumbling down on the sideline.

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Speaker 7: I just it's some of the some of the times

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Speaker 7: in the booth, I'll just kind of shake my head

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Speaker 7: and and chuckle a little bit. And sometimes that chuckle.

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Speaker 9: Goes out over air when it's not necessarily supposed to.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 9: But but yeah, he's always uh he's always coming up

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Speaker 9: with the one liners and the perfect quote, whether it's

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Speaker 9: detailing two games at once, whether it's detailing a squirrel

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Speaker 9: that's out on the field or something something going on

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Speaker 9: in the stands, or a player, you know, having a

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Speaker 9: phenomenal play. So now he's been I've been blessed. I've

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Speaker 9: worked with with Greg Gumbel for six years and you know,

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Speaker 9: and now I've had six seasons with Kevin Harlan, So

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Speaker 9: truly some not only great announcers, but great people as well.

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Speaker 1: Try this has been fun. I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Best of luck to your daughter and the University of

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati women's volleyball team.

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Speaker 7: I appreciate it. Dan, good talking with you.

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Speaker 2: England Patriots come to town on Sunday, a team that's

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Speaker 2: already won more games this year year than the last

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Speaker 2: two combined. After back to back four and thirteen seasons.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots are nine and two with an eight game

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Speaker 2: winning streak under first year head coach Mike Rabel. The

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Speaker 2: voice of the Patriots, Bob Socy, joined Dave Laphaman and

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Speaker 2: me on the Bengals Game Plan Show this week, and

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Speaker 2: I asked Bob if he expected something close to this,

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Speaker 2: if he's mildly surprised, or if he shocked yet.

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Speaker 10: I'm somewhere between mildley surprised and out and out shocked,

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Speaker 10: especially after a one and two start for the Pats,

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Speaker 10: losing to Pittsburgh for example, in Week three, turning the

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Speaker 10: ball over five times, losing the opener to Las Vegas

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Speaker 10: as well, and we've seen how poorly the Raiders have

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Speaker 10: played since that Week one game. I thought the Patriots

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Speaker 10: would be much improved Mike Rabel taking over coaching staff,

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Speaker 10: with a lot of cohesiveness and chemistry and experience you

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Speaker 10: could see in training camp. But the Patriots were headed

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Speaker 10: for a much more competent and competitive season. Drake may

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Speaker 10: certainly looked like he was poised to improve, not as

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Speaker 10: much as I believe today is as he has. I

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Speaker 10: think you know his rapid growth in Josh McDaniel's system

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Speaker 10: has been really startling in a lot of respects, and

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Speaker 10: they certainly upgraded the roster considerably. The free agent class

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Speaker 10: that they brought in certainly added a lot of talent

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Speaker 10: in spots where they last year were barren, and I

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Speaker 10: think the draft class you could see that there was

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Speaker 10: some athleticism there with Trey van Anderson for example, in

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Speaker 10: the preseason that they've been lacking a potential playmaker. But

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Speaker 10: the way this season has gone from that one and

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Speaker 10: two start to beating the Bills on Sunday night in

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Speaker 10: Buffalo and the bounce they got from that game, and

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Speaker 10: the way they have consistently competed, and that's a big thing.

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Speaker 10: This is a team that's where it's at because they

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Speaker 10: continued to compete. The defense gives up an opening drive

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Speaker 10: score with regularity, but then they find a way to

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Speaker 10: turn things around. Drake May for the most part, is

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Speaker 10: taking care of the foot. They haven't beaten themselves. They've

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Speaker 10: taken advantage of bad football, and they've made a lot

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Speaker 10: of big plays, something that was not existing in recent years.

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Speaker 10: I've joked with people around here for the last few

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Speaker 10: weeks that we've had more offensive highlights you know in

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Speaker 10: week ten, in Week nine and week eight than we

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Speaker 10: had in two seasons combined for the Patriots in twenty

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Speaker 10: twenty three, twenty four. So the variety of ways in

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Speaker 10: which they've done.

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Speaker 11: It, Yeah, Bob, I look at the eighty five plus

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Speaker 11: eighty five point differential you kidding me in the second

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Speaker 11: quarters plus plus fifty three. Yeah, in the third quarter,

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Speaker 11: it's what is it plus thirty five or something like that.

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Speaker 11: It's it's crazy over plus over one hundred in the

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Speaker 11: second and third quarter. What's the reason for that? What's

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Speaker 11: what's the turnaround?

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Speaker 10: How?

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Speaker 11: What do you attribute it to? Is it coaching? Is

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Speaker 11: it players, you know, responding to the to the great coaching?

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Speaker 11: Is it a combination? What do you think?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Dave, I think you do start with the coaching,

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Speaker 10: and certainly, you know, the players ultimately are the ones

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Speaker 10: who are responsible for the performance on the field. And

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Speaker 10: when people ask about Drake May and the difference that

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Speaker 10: Josh McDaniels has made as the offensive coordinator and play caller,

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Speaker 10: and the difference that Mike Rabel has made in ways

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Speaker 10: that he's challenged him, I think you still go to

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Speaker 10: Drake May's ability and his coach ability, and I think

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Speaker 10: that's the case for the entire team. I mentioned competence

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Speaker 10: and confidence and cohesiveness for the Patriots coaching staff during

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Speaker 10: training camp that it was evident, and I think that

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Speaker 10: carried over to their players. I think this is a

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Speaker 10: team that was fully bought in when the season started,

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Speaker 10: and their faith wasn't shaken after that one and to start,

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Speaker 10: and as I mentioned the defense, you know they're they're

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Speaker 10: not exactly you know, a team that racks up a

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Speaker 10: lot of impressive numbers, yet they've given up a fair

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Speaker 10: number of big plays. They haven't gotten to the quarterback

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Speaker 10: as often as we think they would, they haven't turned

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Speaker 10: the ball over in the last two games, and they

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Speaker 10: give up opening drive touchdowns or field goals in almost

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Speaker 10: every game. And yet you know they have guys out

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Speaker 10: there that are competing effort and finish. You watch the

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Speaker 10: effort to the football on just about every play, and

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Speaker 10: I think that's kind of a sign of this team

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Speaker 10: as a whole. Offensively, you can get the ability to

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Speaker 10: distribute the football what Drake may has done in terms

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Speaker 10: of his past distribution to players. The first quarter might

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Speaker 10: be Stefan Diggs who gets them going by the third quarter,

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Speaker 10: it's Mac Collins who spent the first half blocking for them.

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Speaker 10: It's just seems like there's a you know, with each series,

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Speaker 10: which with each quarter there is a different guy that

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Speaker 10: is playing a pivotal role in terms of taking control

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Speaker 10: of these games. But I do think you start with Rabel,

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Speaker 10: the culture he's built, the confidence that he's still He's

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Speaker 10: been very careful in terms of always handled this team,

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Speaker 10: including a guy like Romadarie Stevenson, just a quick acidey

686
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Speaker 10: who hasn't played the last few weeks because of an injury.

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Speaker 10: You remember the fumble he had on Christmas Eve a

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Speaker 10: few years ago, and those problems have persisted the last

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Speaker 10: couple of years for him. Talent is back, but the

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Speaker 10: inability to hold onto the ball at fumbling issues earlier

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Speaker 10: this season, Rabel stuck with him. Rabel didn't bury him,

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Speaker 10: and I think that's the way Mike has coached these

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Speaker 10: guys as at hole and they've responded very well to it.

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Speaker 2: The voice of the Patriots, Bob Socie, is our guest.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots have done something this year that the Bengals

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Speaker 2: need to do next year. They fixed their defense in

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Speaker 2: one year, because last year these two teams gave up

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Speaker 2: nearly the same amount of points. The Bengals gave up

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Speaker 2: four to thirty four. The Patriots gave up four to seventeen.

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Speaker 2: This year, the Bengals defense has gotten worse. The Patriots

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Speaker 2: are fifth in the NFL and points allowed. How did

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Speaker 2: New England fix the defense in one year?

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Speaker 10: Well, Dan, you look at a couple of things, and

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Speaker 10: I mentioned the free agent class and you start right there,

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Speaker 10: including the big ticket item that they got in free

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Speaker 10: agency and Williams. And you won't see him this weekend.

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Speaker 10: Of course, he's on injured reserve now. But he's been

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Speaker 10: a guy that came in coming off a Super Bowl

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Speaker 10: and the performance he had against the Chiefs, a contract

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Speaker 10: paying him an excess of ninety seven million dollars, playing

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Speaker 10: in training camp with something to prove the way he worked,

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Speaker 10: a guy that has been able to double his staff

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Speaker 10: count from Philadelphia when he was in that rotation that

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Speaker 10: the Eagles had up front as talented and as deep

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Speaker 10: as they are, and they were with him in that

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Speaker 10: defensive line. He's become an instant leader for this team.

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Speaker 10: And he's going to be missed this week. I think

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Speaker 10: he's been interested to see how they respond these next

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Speaker 10: few weeks without Milton Williams. Harold Landry known commodity for

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Speaker 10: my verbel former Titan calevon chase On has been a

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Speaker 10: bit of a revelation. Former number one pick has been

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Speaker 10: a bit of a journeyman the last few years, already

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Speaker 10: with a career high in sacks, and he's played with

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Speaker 10: really a great motor that's shown up on special teams

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Speaker 10: as well. That's what Rabel points to when he talks

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Speaker 10: about him. And you look at the linebackers, Robert splaying

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Speaker 10: former Titan Steeler, gritty Guy Jack Gibbons another former Titan,

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Speaker 10: undrafted player, but he's come up big for them the

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Speaker 10: last couple of weeks with some high volume tackle games

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Speaker 10: in the secondary. Carlton Davis another free agent signee along

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Speaker 10: with Christian Gonzalez. Gonzalez I think is one of the

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Speaker 10: best cornerbacks in the NFL. The numbers may not reflect that.

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Speaker 10: He's not one of those guys that gets a lot

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Speaker 10: of interceptions, kind of like the outfielder with the good

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Speaker 10: arm and baseball that people don't run on it teams.

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Speaker 10: But when you look at, you know, the free agent

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Speaker 10: players they've acquired. I mentioned several of them there up front, Williams,

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Speaker 10: Chase on Henry or Landry, and you look at the

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Speaker 10: cornerback Davis. They haven't had many misses, if any at

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00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 10: all in free agency this year and that's really a

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00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 10: rare thing. And the other point that has to be

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Speaker 10: made to the schedule. We thought going into this season,

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00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 10: you know, in terms of media circles here, that the

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Speaker 10: Patriots would have a soft schedule. The numbers bear that out.

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Speaker 10: Now it's been a very favorable schedule for them to

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Speaker 10: turn things around. When you look at the caliber of

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00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 10: the quarterbacks they faced on the timing of some of

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00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 10: the games today, this defense hasn't really gone up against,

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Speaker 10: you know, really a frontline player in you know, the

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Speaker 10: opposing team's offense since Josh Allen in Week five. When

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00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 10: you really look at who they faced over the last weeks,

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00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 10: they've gone up against some good running backs, but they've

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00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 10: been able to shut them down in one dimensional offense

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00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 10: and the run defense has been very good for them.

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Speaker 11: When you look at it, it all starts with the

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00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 11: owner in Robert Craft. Robert Craft is a winner. Robert

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Speaker 11: Craft doesn't accept anything other than winning in your best

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00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 11: performance and so doing and you know, he had a

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Speaker 11: great head coach that he teamed up with in Bill Belichick,

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00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 11: that made beautiful music together in the in the Boston,

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00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 11: New England area, and fans, I think, get a little

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00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 11: bit spoiled, you know, with the success year after year

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Speaker 11: after year that they were able to achieve. How difficult

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Speaker 11: is how tough was the task for able to turn

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Speaker 11: the worm, so to speak, to flip the switch, to

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Speaker 11: get this team turned around in such a short period

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Speaker 11: of time.

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Speaker 10: You know, David, it's really interesting when Rabel came to

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Speaker 10: New England a couple of years ago when he was

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Speaker 10: still the head coach of the Titans, and you may

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Speaker 10: or may not remember this, he was inducted into the

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Speaker 10: Patriots Hall of Fame during a bye week for the Titans,

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Speaker 10: and it was at a point in time where if

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00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 10: the writing wasn't on the wall in Nashville, then it

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00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 10: was about to be. And Mike Rabel gave a halftime

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Speaker 10: speech at Jillette Stadium and he said, I believe the

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00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 10: words were, We've got a game to win. Belichick was

778
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 10: the head coach then Rabel was about to be fired

779
00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 10: at seasons and by the Titans, Torod Mayo was why

780
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 10: it was, you know, in line for the Patriots job.

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00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 10: It was in his contracts as the heir apparent for

782
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Speaker 10: Belichick to Belichick, and you know, it was at that

783
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 10: weekend in Foxborough when it seemed like Mike Brabel made

784
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 10: his his his desires clear. And you know, when things

785
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 10: didn't work out with Gerrod Meyo last year, and it

786
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 10: was it was very apparent by season's end, you know,

787
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 10: well before the season came to close, that the Patriots

788
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 10: really were in a situation that they had ill advisedly

789
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 10: put themselves in. Not only would the head coach is inexperience,

790
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 10: he didn't have any coordinating experience. Really, he was somebody

791
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 10: who hadn't coached outs or hadn't built up a rolodex

792
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 10: so to speak of coaching candidates to build a staff.

793
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 10: So from the start last season, it was kind of

794
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 10: learning on the fly and it was building a staff

795
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 10: on the fly. And then they didn't spend any money

796
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 10: really in free agency. The draft picks, including a second

797
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 10: rounder is no longer with the organization. Jalen Folk, outside

798
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 10: of the selection of Drake May really didn't work out

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00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 10: for them. So things right from the start of twenty

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00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 10: twenty four for the Patriots put the organization in the

801
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 10: situation where by season's end, I think Robert Kraft came

802
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 10: to realization that he had to make drastic changes. And

803
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 10: was interesting because when Belichick left in twenty and twenty

804
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 10: four at the end of that season, the Patriots kind

805
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 10: of changed their mo in terms of how they ran

806
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 10: the organization from a football standpoint and more collaborative. Belichick

807
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 10: was all powerful when it came to football. He was

808
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 10: the decision maker at the top of the pyramid in

809
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 10: football operations, and I think after he left, with Jewrod

810
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 10: Mail the ownership, they wanted their football team back. But

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00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 10: when they went through that experience with girod Mayl, I

812
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 10: think it convinced Robert Craft to go out and get

813
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 10: Mike Rabel and to put more power in his lap.

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Speaker 10: Not to the extent that Belichick had, but certainly with

815
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 10: a lot more influence over decisions. Mike was able to

816
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 10: bring in some people who had full trust in confidence

817
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Speaker 10: who were with him in Tennessee Ryan Cowden, John Stryker,

818
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Speaker 10: an Ohio State guy who's going to be a future GM.

819
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Speaker 10: When you hear about his resume and his credentials with

820
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 10: people around the league. So I think the experience of

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00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 10: twenty twenty four and the failure and really right from

822
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Speaker 10: the outset a season that was doomed for them put

823
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Speaker 10: them in position because of robber Craft's desire not to

824
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 10: relive that experience, but also to make the right changes

825
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 10: and get the right guy. And my variable made it

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Speaker 10: clear a couple of years ago this was a job

827
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Speaker 10: that he coveted, and the Patriots got him. They're very

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Speaker 10: fortunate to get.

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Speaker 2: Him, all right, thanks to Bob soci And here's a

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