Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Lyle. Just a reminder that I am
Speaker 1: going on tour to do therapy Gecko live in several
Speaker 1: cities across the United States, and I would love to
Speaker 1: see you there. I will be interviewing random folks from
Speaker 1: the audience up on stage, and absolutely anything could happen.
Speaker 1: It will be very fun, very terrifying, and very geko wee.
Speaker 1: You can find the link to get tickets in your
Speaker 1: city in the episode description. Okay, let's get into the podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello is this Lyle.
Speaker 1: This is Lyle.
Speaker 2: How are you doing, No, buddy.
Speaker 1: I am a gecko on the computer.
Speaker 2: You are a geck on the computer. Are you excited
Speaker 2: for your tour?
Speaker 1: My man, I am excited for my tour. I'm a
Speaker 1: little bit nervous. Yeah, you coming.
Speaker 2: I wish I could. I try to get tickets to
Speaker 2: Chicago because I'm out in Missouri, but it sold out
Speaker 2: like fucking instantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the tour will be fun. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm going to get into with with the people
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring up, but I think it'll be fun
Speaker 1: and I am excited.
Speaker 2: Are you Are you planning another one anytime soon?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, we'll we'll I'll be I'll be doing these
Speaker 1: live things for as long as people are coming to them.
Speaker 2: All right, Sweet, that's great here, I'm gonna try to
Speaker 2: come to one soon.
Speaker 1: So what's up with your boss?
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, I had I had kind of a crazy
Speaker 2: story to share with you tonight just because I wanted
Speaker 2: some I wanted some outside of advice from someone who
Speaker 2: isn't like biased to the situation because it has to
Speaker 2: do with like family problems.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm twenty and I just I just graduated
Speaker 2: high school obviously a few years ago, and I have
Speaker 2: a sister who is twenty seven, and she so she's
Speaker 2: moved out, had the husband has been living with him
Speaker 2: for like a few years now, and recently she got
Speaker 2: addicted to this game called I think It's New World.
Speaker 2: It's a VR game. I don't know if you've heard
Speaker 2: of it before.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't heard of it, but I'm familiar with VR.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like it's kind of it's one of
Speaker 2: those it's one of those things where it's kind of
Speaker 2: like a secondary life type of VR game you're trying to, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, just like stupid shit like that. Sims
Speaker 2: button VR type of thing, I think, And so she
Speaker 2: was like super addicted into this game and was pretty
Speaker 2: much living her whole life in the game instead of
Speaker 2: in the real world with her husband and her dogs
Speaker 2: that she had just got. And like, so over time
Speaker 2: she started like stealing. She stole her husband's credit card
Speaker 2: and like put his information on her door dash account,
Speaker 2: and he or she was like she was stealing all
Speaker 2: of his credit card money and like just ordering a
Speaker 2: shit ton of fucking DoorDash to the house and eating
Speaker 2: it in the room and just throwing the trash on
Speaker 2: the ground and then just like sitting in there and
Speaker 2: surrounding herself in the trash more and more every day,
Speaker 2: like just only playing the game, not going to work anymore,
Speaker 2: just getting all this food and stuff and not even
Speaker 2: like going outside, getting super overweight and stuff. And then
Speaker 2: she started like neglecting the dogs and she just left
Speaker 2: them in the kennel, and so while her husband was
Speaker 2: gone for a while, she like she let the dog
Speaker 2: start the death and the kennel and like just dyeing
Speaker 2: their own shit.
Speaker 1: And stuff did start to death in the can. Isn't like,
Speaker 1: isn't a kennel where you go to have people have
Speaker 1: other people babysit dolls. No like.
Speaker 2: No, like the like the small kennel in the house,
Speaker 2: just like a little one that they would keeping the other.
Speaker 1: Oh oh okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Like a small like I'm saying, like a cage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a cage, okay, like a cage.
Speaker 2: And and so they were just left in the cage,
Speaker 2: weren't fed, and just died in their own like fefis
Speaker 2: and stuff. And when she finally got up and realized
Speaker 2: that one day, when I guess she was just cleaning
Speaker 2: out the house a little bit to move around because
Speaker 2: she was starting to like make trails through the house
Speaker 2: in between the trashs and shit, and she she just
Speaker 2: put them in a trash bag and fucking threw them away.
Speaker 2: And then her husband came home and obviously asked what
Speaker 2: happens to the dogs, and she tries to she tries
Speaker 2: to say that, you know, they just they just like
Speaker 2: died and passed away, and she she went to go
Speaker 2: get them cremated and stuff. And then he obviously walked
Speaker 2: into the house later and found all the ship laying
Speaker 2: around and shit like that, found them in the trash can.
Speaker 2: And then my parents went over there and like everything
Speaker 2: got crazy after that she got arrested for animal cruelty,
Speaker 2: and now it is kind of the point where we're at,
Speaker 2: like sitting at the moment where she got bailed out
Speaker 2: of jail by my parents and has been living with
Speaker 2: us now that her husband is divorced her and and
Speaker 2: my parents are trying to act like this is okay,
Speaker 2: like she's the victim of something like mental ailment or
Speaker 2: like obviously this game that like took advantage of her
Speaker 2: her brain or whatever she's going through right.
Speaker 3: Now, hm hmmm, And.
Speaker 4: Like so.
Speaker 2: Like I don't I don't know how I should get
Speaker 2: myself to a good point in my own life where
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I need to to like lie
Speaker 2: to my parents about how I feel about my sister
Speaker 2: and and like without without alienating my sister and my
Speaker 2: parents from me, because I also have another sister that's
Speaker 2: like a younger than me, and it's still in high school,
Speaker 2: and she's being like forced into acting like none of
Speaker 2: this has happened or is like even a problem or
Speaker 2: is wrong, and then like she's gonna be just or
Speaker 2: sit this house with fucking her and my parents who
Speaker 2: are acting like this is a completely normal thing, and
Speaker 2: I just I just don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I should confront her or if I should confront my
Speaker 2: parents because I'm still living at their place while like
Speaker 2: I just came back from college. I dropped out after
Speaker 2: my first semester, and I'm trying to get enrolled in
Speaker 2: a new like community college near like near my original
Speaker 2: house where my parents live, and so like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: just I obviously can't get kicked out for opposing them
Speaker 2: too much. And they're super firm on like believing that
Speaker 2: she is totally cool, and like there's you know, that
Speaker 2: she has done nothing wrong and it's just a victim
Speaker 2: in the situation and that she needs to be helped.
Speaker 2: But then is like keeping her away from jail and
Speaker 2: the thing that would keep her like to learn her lesson,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And what is she doing while she's like in the
Speaker 1: house with you guys. Is she still playing this game?
Speaker 2: Yes, so she's she's in the house and she is
Speaker 2: still playing the game, and she's playing other like she
Speaker 2: still plays other video games too that she's probably also
Speaker 2: horrendously addicted to. And she still just sits around and
Speaker 2: has gained like a horrendous amount of weight over the
Speaker 2: last half a year or so, and it's just like
Speaker 2: it's getting worse by the day, and my parents are
Speaker 2: just not telling her that it is when it obviously is,
Speaker 2: and they're just like they're they're giving her confidence that
Speaker 2: what she's doing is the right thing.
Speaker 1: So can I ask you so you're it says here,
Speaker 1: you're twenty, sister's twenty seven. Yeah, that's a significant age difference.
Speaker 1: But you know, I want to know when you guys
Speaker 1: were growing up, Yeah, what was sort of the dynamic
Speaker 1: between your sister and your parents, Because I would have
Speaker 1: to assume that behavior like this didn't start at twenty
Speaker 1: seven with the video game. I have to assume this
Speaker 1: has been boiling and brewing for a long time.
Speaker 2: Right, And no, I would always definitely agree it has been.
Speaker 2: It's they haven't like always been completely upfront and like
Speaker 2: very obvious about it about you know, always supporting her
Speaker 2: through these stupid decisions that she's making and is like,
Speaker 2: you know, doing some stuff like quitting her job just
Speaker 2: to continue to play video games or like stream and
Speaker 2: stuff like that when she needs to just be able
Speaker 2: to support her family right now, or like what she's starting,
Speaker 2: which is just her husband and her dogs, and she
Speaker 2: couldn't even do that. And and but like before they
Speaker 2: would they still always just let things fly when they shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Kay kam hmm. What would you like to see happen?
Speaker 2: I would I would like to see, like I don't
Speaker 2: want to say that I would like to see an
Speaker 2: awful punishment to someone in my own family obviously, but
Speaker 2: the with the dog, it's kind of unforgivable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, sure, sure.
Speaker 2: I that's what That's what I'm trying to ask. What
Speaker 2: what you think would would be fair for me to
Speaker 2: to ask of them? Well, a sister and me out
Speaker 2: of this ship.
Speaker 1: Well, it's you know, I can't tell you what would
Speaker 1: be fair of you to ask because and you and
Speaker 1: you've probably heard me talk about this before. This This
Speaker 1: is really really difficult because you only have so much
Speaker 1: power in this situation. You cannot change the relationship between
Speaker 1: your parents and your sister. You cannot change your sister's behavior.
Speaker 1: You cannot change your parents' behavior. You can vocalize things
Speaker 1: to them, you can let your opinions be known, and
Speaker 1: you can do your best at that, but you can't
Speaker 1: ultimately control what other people do and how they act.
Speaker 1: You just can't, right, And that's a difficult thing because
Speaker 1: I know that you want to and I know that
Speaker 1: you would like to see your parents be harder on
Speaker 1: your sister because you really feel like they've been letting
Speaker 1: too much slide. And it's a hard thing, man, when
Speaker 1: you're at like, you know, especially because you're feeling really
Speaker 1: bad for your younger sister, who I feel bad for
Speaker 1: her because you said she's still she's like sixteen, she's
Speaker 1: still in high school.
Speaker 2: Yes, she's No, she's not sixteen, she's a senior this year.
Speaker 3: She's eighteen.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, because I was feeling really bad for her
Speaker 1: because I mean, you, you know, at least you get
Speaker 1: to go back to college. Well, no, you dropped out.
Speaker 1: You dropped out, right. Are you planning on community? Okay?
Speaker 1: Are you planning on going getting out of there anytime soon?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I just got a new job not that long ago,
Speaker 2: and I've been working towards yeah, saving nothing, probably trying
Speaker 2: to move out soon with some of my friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This family stuff is really tough.
Speaker 2: Because the dynamic is hard to understand, Like I understand that.
Speaker 1: No, it's not, No, it's not that it's hard to
Speaker 1: understand it's that you have a desire to change it.
Speaker 1: And I always feel, you know, I sympathize with that
Speaker 1: because it's something that you can try your very best, dad,
Speaker 1: and still not accomplish. Uh, But you want to give
Speaker 1: it a try. So you want to know kind of
Speaker 1: the best way to talk to your parents about it,
Speaker 1: or that's what you're trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: Yes, and okay. And also another thing that I wanted
Speaker 2: to ask is, even if I can get my parents
Speaker 2: to agree with me, do you think I should just
Speaker 2: send it now and move out and just put it
Speaker 2: all behind me.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll get there. Let's start with this. What
Speaker 1: have you done to communicate about the situation to your parents?
Speaker 2: Well, so, like my parents will constantly like the they'll
Speaker 2: go out all the time for like dinner and like
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and they'll invite her and or like
Speaker 2: even just like dinner at the table, and they'll specifically
Speaker 2: tell her to come down and they want to specifically
Speaker 2: like come and sit with her to talk to her
Speaker 2: about stuff. And me and me and my sister, my
Speaker 2: younger sister have both like been trying to to show
Speaker 2: that we aren't interested in aren't like willing to really
Speaker 2: sit down and just talk to her and act like
Speaker 2: we're okay to just talk to her without her like
Speaker 2: explaining why she thinks this is an okay thing, or
Speaker 2: like why any of this is happening, or that she's
Speaker 2: like to even apologize about any of it really, And
Speaker 2: I like I've told I've told them how I feel too,
Speaker 2: like directly, like I've had conversations with my parents before,
Speaker 2: straight up and not even like in a mean way
Speaker 2: or trying to like rag on my sister in the
Speaker 2: way that I really do feel about it honestly, but
Speaker 2: like I've just told them and been firm about it,
Speaker 2: like that I don't want anything to do with her
Speaker 2: if she's going to be like this, And they're just
Speaker 2: the same back and telling me like you know, it
Speaker 2: wasn't her and like it's not her fault because she's sick.
Speaker 5: Mhm M.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you this and it's just as a
Speaker 1: thought experiment, and there is no right or wrong answer
Speaker 1: to it. But is your sister completely gone to you?
Speaker 1: Or if if she did, is there an effort or
Speaker 1: in anything that she could put in or show to
Speaker 1: you or do for herself or anything at all, like.
Speaker 2: Any way to any way to earn her back in
Speaker 2: my mind, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and there's no right or wrong answer.
Speaker 2: Well, like one thing first would be definitely just because Okay.
Speaker 2: One one thing too is that these weren't even technically
Speaker 2: her dogs. These were her husband's dogs originally, and like
Speaker 2: when they when they moved in together, they became their dogs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so she really killed her husband's her husband's.
Speaker 3: Dogs, and.
Speaker 2: For once she would need to apologize to him and
Speaker 2: make everything right with him that she she hasn't this
Speaker 2: whole time and has just been sitting in her room
Speaker 2: playing games and trying to hide from him and act
Speaker 2: like you know, this wasn't a big deal when her
Speaker 2: parents or our parents have failed her out for all
Speaker 2: this shit that she has done. M hm, and like
Speaker 2: she because not only do my parents not pretend like
Speaker 2: nothing happened, but like whenever I do, like a few
Speaker 2: times that I do see her and I have to
Speaker 2: actually have an interaction with her, she she acts like
Speaker 2: nothing's happened this whole time either, and like that this
Speaker 2: is the wrong situation that she's put us in, and
Speaker 2: so step wanted to at least acknowledge that she's wrong.
Speaker 1: Okay, so before we even before the germ of the
Speaker 1: idea even comes anywhere close to entering the mind of her,
Speaker 1: you know, coming back to you in any way year
Speaker 1: orfore him, she would have to admit that she did
Speaker 1: something wrong. And it sounds like we're extremely far away
Speaker 1: from that. Yes, And it sounds like we don't want.
Speaker 2: To waste any time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and we do. And we don't want to
Speaker 1: waste any precious time waiting around for that to change.
Speaker 2: No, because, like like I said before too, she she's
Speaker 2: been like for a while where she just well butt heads,
Speaker 2: didn't completely refuse any like blame to go on her.
Speaker 2: She just can't accept that she can be wrong with
Speaker 2: a situation.
Speaker 1: Okay, how about your parents, your parents, you're so, you're
Speaker 1: so tell me this. So your sister is completely far gone.
Speaker 1: We don't see any time in the future of her
Speaker 1: being able to admit what she's done wrong. Tell me
Speaker 1: about your parents. Do you see them at all coming
Speaker 1: to their senses?
Speaker 2: Honestly, sometimes I do, and sometimes I don't. Like with
Speaker 2: my parents, sometimes I can have conversations with them where
Speaker 2: it's just us and we're talking about other regular things,
Speaker 2: and they can they're like, they can be very sensible people.
Speaker 2: But then there can be big situations like this obviously,
Speaker 2: which is a very straightforward, like for me at least,
Speaker 2: when I think about this, I say, wow, somebody just
Speaker 2: neglected dogs for a video game and would let them
Speaker 2: start to death. They're a terrible person that they should
Speaker 2: like pay for that.
Speaker 3: That's fucked up.
Speaker 2: And my parents just don't see it the same way.
Speaker 2: And they always push for like that super perfect family
Speaker 2: like ideal, and it's just it's just they push everyone
Speaker 2: too far, and then from for her, they just they'll
Speaker 2: let shit like this slide because they want to try
Speaker 2: to cover up the whole projection of our family to
Speaker 2: other people. I guess maybe like they don't want to
Speaker 2: act like we're going through anything wrong and like everything's
Speaker 2: just cool, so.
Speaker 1: So Branden, I think ultimately, you know, I think it
Speaker 1: was good to kind of explore this situation, but ultimately
Speaker 1: I feel like, going back to what I said at
Speaker 1: the beginning, you're not going to be able to change
Speaker 1: your sister. You're not going to be able to change
Speaker 1: your family. You can only express to them what you
Speaker 1: would like to see happen, and then it is up
Speaker 1: to them as to what they want to do with
Speaker 1: that information that you've expressed. So what I would do
Speaker 1: is sit your parents, if you haven't they're ready, and
Speaker 1: tell me if you have, But sit your parents down
Speaker 1: and really expressed to them your feelings about the situation,
Speaker 1: just just as honestly and courageously as you can, and
Speaker 1: then let that sit with them. And then once you've
Speaker 1: done that, my friend, you've done everything that you can do.
Speaker 1: And then let's go back to the thing that you
Speaker 1: were asking earlier, which is should I just go on
Speaker 1: and leave this situation and not worry about it and
Speaker 1: live my own life. The answers are restounding, Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: because I know that this is a pretty fucked up
Speaker 1: thing and shitty situation. I know you feel bad for
Speaker 1: your sister, who you know is a little bit younger
Speaker 1: than you and might be a little bit more in
Speaker 1: the trenches of it since she's still in high school
Speaker 1: and living there. And I respect the amount of empathy
Speaker 1: that you have for the people that you care about
Speaker 1: in this situation. But you got to go and live
Speaker 1: your own life. So map a game plan out financially
Speaker 1: right now to moving out and building your own life.
Speaker 1: Because the fucking worst thing that I could see happening
Speaker 1: for you from this situation is that you get so
Speaker 1: embroiled in this family drama that you you, like we've established,
Speaker 1: don't have power within because you're not the people that
Speaker 1: you just are. Are spending your expending a lot of
Speaker 1: time and energy on a dark thing that you could
Speaker 1: be spending focusing on yourself and building up your own life.
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't want to see you fall
Speaker 1: into that. And I think you know that you you
Speaker 1: know you you asked me should I go and live
Speaker 1: my own life and not worry about that? But I
Speaker 1: think you asked me as a confirmation because you know
Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna go do, and I think that
Speaker 1: that is what you should go do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can I know you and I know how you
Speaker 2: think about it too. I just it's nice to hear.
Speaker 2: And and no, I haven't I haven't had that conversation
Speaker 2: with my parents yet where I really do put the
Speaker 2: full spirit into it. And I hope that I can
Speaker 2: do that soon.
Speaker 1: And listen, Brandon, let me tell you. Can I tell
Speaker 1: you another thing? Can't tell you another thing if it's
Speaker 1: really important, if it's really important to you, if it
Speaker 1: and take some time to think about whether it's really
Speaker 1: important to you. If it's really important to you, then
Speaker 1: then do it. Have the conversation. But you don't have to. Man,
Speaker 1: if you're looking at your family situation, you're just like, dude,
Speaker 1: fuck this. You feel empowered to go, dude, fuck this
Speaker 1: and leave and don't even have the conversation. It's a
Speaker 1: it's kind of about what you want.
Speaker 2: To do, Okay, And can I ask one more question
Speaker 2: for you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What's up? Man?
Speaker 2: If when I do move out and I'm planning on
Speaker 2: possibly taking my little sister with me, yeah, do you
Speaker 2: think that how long do you think I should allow
Speaker 2: myself to keep an open heart towards my parents and
Speaker 2: my older sister before I really just do give up
Speaker 2: on it and leave it behind forever.
Speaker 1: I actually think I have an answer to that. You
Speaker 1: should do it until you notice that it is negatively
Speaker 1: affecting you even the slightest amounts understood, Braden, Man, thank
Speaker 1: you for sharing all this stuff with us, and you know, seriously,
Speaker 1: good luck to you.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I hope that you don't get too wrapped up in
Speaker 1: this stuff, and I hope that you're able to you know,
Speaker 1: within all this kind of fucked up family stuff to
Speaker 1: clear out space for yourself, because you seem like a
Speaker 1: really nice guy who cares about other people and you
Speaker 1: deserve that. So I hope you're able to find that headspace.
Speaker 2: Thank you, man, and that means a lot. And thanks
Speaker 2: for taking my call brother.
Speaker 1: Of course. Man else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer.
Speaker 2: Hey, I love y'all. I have a beautiful night, and
Speaker 2: mister Geto have fun on your tour. I hope to
Speaker 2: catch you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you man, I appreciate it. Talk to you soon,
Speaker 1: talk to you soon. Who I like that guy a lot, man,
Speaker 1: I I I really do. And it's it's uh. He
Speaker 1: brought up a situation that I think a lot of
Speaker 1: callers have dealt with in the past, that we've talked
Speaker 1: to and that you know, I assume people in general
Speaker 1: just deal with where Like I mean, your family is
Speaker 1: the first thing you know. So when you're growing up,
Speaker 1: your family dynamics and your family drama, they they they're everything.
Speaker 1: They're the world that you live in. It's all you
Speaker 1: know and your tunnel visioned into it. And then you
Speaker 1: get to a certain age you get to and you
Speaker 1: can you realize that uh uh, you don't have to
Speaker 1: be involved with this shit if you don't want to.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you realize that you're powerless in a lot of
Speaker 1: this ship and that's not a bad thing. It's just
Speaker 1: just the reality. You fucking can't change you're any member
Speaker 1: of your family. You can't. You can't change anyone to
Speaker 1: ever do cannot ever make anyone fucking do anything or
Speaker 1: feel anything, or think anything or change their mind on anything.
Speaker 1: You can do your best to vocalize it, but you
Speaker 1: just got to accept your powerlessness and fucking be like, well, well, guys, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm piecing out of here and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go build my own life and not get super lost
Speaker 1: in the in the drama of it all. And I
Speaker 1: get it's hard for Braden because he cares about you know,
Speaker 1: he cares about his his family. Because if he, if
Speaker 1: he truly didn't give a shit, he wouldn't be talking
Speaker 1: about any of this stuff. It wouldn't be bothering him.
Speaker 1: And that's what he's wrestling with, is the is the
Speaker 1: care comes from a sweet place, you know. That's why
Speaker 1: he talked about how much should I have an open heart?
Speaker 1: And that was a really interesting question. He asked, for
Speaker 1: how long should I keep an open heart toward you know,
Speaker 1: my family, with this fucked up drama going on, And
Speaker 1: the answer is, you know, until it is fucking with
Speaker 1: his ability, if it for as long as it does
Speaker 1: not fuck with his ability to build his own life.
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe maybe right now the answer is no,
Speaker 1: I cannot keep an open home art because it is
Speaker 1: fucking with my ability to build my own life. But
Speaker 1: maybe that's not the case in five years. Maybe in
Speaker 1: five years, once all of the the emotions that are
Speaker 1: really fresh and rushing through him right now are a
Speaker 1: little bit more stale, maybe it's a little easier to
Speaker 1: have an open heart. It doesn't have to be right now.
Speaker 1: It can wait. But seriously, good luck to you, Bradon Man.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing all that stuff, and we're rooting
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 3: Hello. Is this a gag?
Speaker 1: Yes, sir? Is this Ryan?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Yes, I love your show.
Speaker 1: Ryan. It says here you've been jacking off onto your
Speaker 1: brother's towel for ten years.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Okay, we'll be dump them right into it.
Speaker 3: So it's really weird to say like where this started,
Speaker 3: but obviously it started at a young age because I
Speaker 3: figured it out, like you know, when you know you're
Speaker 3: little and you're kind of figure out what like masturbating is,
Speaker 3: and then you're kind of just like sitting there and
Speaker 3: y'all dirty, and you're like, huh, I have all this
Speaker 3: stuff on me? How I get rid of this? And
Speaker 3: you know, I just you know, walk over to the
Speaker 3: bathroom and get rid of the excrement and dispose of it.
Speaker 3: And then my brother started to upset me because I
Speaker 3: was a you know, I thought to go to my
Speaker 3: brother would do something to me, and I would, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, go into his room, flip his bed over,
Speaker 3: like mess with this ship. Like he did something to
Speaker 3: me that I didn't like. And then I figured out,
Speaker 3: you know, what jacking off was, and I very soonly
Speaker 3: quickly came to a realization that I can get like
Speaker 3: he gret ninja revenge as like Bobby put it, like
Speaker 3: ninja revenge on my brother would at him knowing so
Speaker 3: like and he didn't know it either, but like it's
Speaker 3: the thing is that I knew it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if ninjas want to be associated with
Speaker 1: this tactic of revenge, but continue, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I think this. I just wanted to call because
Speaker 3: I figured that I kind of wanted to say the
Speaker 3: secret a little bit, you know, just get it out there,
Speaker 3: because he just moved away to college and I think
Speaker 3: that this period of my life is starting to come
Speaker 3: to a close, and I think I am ready to
Speaker 3: overcome it. But I figured why not let other people know,
Speaker 3: because you never know, it might have like a fibling
Speaker 3: out there getting like ninja or secret revenge on you
Speaker 3: not ninja. I don't want associate. I won't.
Speaker 1: I have multiple questions that I feel like we're not
Speaker 1: answered through your your abstract of the situation. And the
Speaker 1: first one is, you know, it'd be one thing if
Speaker 1: you told me that there was a time where your
Speaker 1: brother did something to piss you off, and so as
Speaker 1: revenge you jacked off onto his towel and he used it.
Speaker 1: Ha ha, won and done. But you did this recurringly
Speaker 1: over the course of ten years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was because I would just like think of like, yeah,
Speaker 3: because there'd be like days while I'm just like sitting there,
Speaker 3: like I'll come up like my my brother, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: really got me upset, and I would do it like
Speaker 3: out of out of fight on him. But do you
Speaker 3: know your brother, No, I don't know. On and off
Speaker 3: we argue a lot.
Speaker 1: But then this day, where Ryan, Ryan, did you really
Speaker 1: do this for ten years? That's a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a long time.
Speaker 1: And this was and you're twenty one, so this was
Speaker 1: from the you started doing this when you were eleven,
Speaker 1: and you did it for ten years? How okay, okay,
Speaker 1: tell me this, tell me this, Tell me this ten years.
Speaker 1: Over the course of the ten years, how many times
Speaker 1: do you think you did it?
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, you consider, oh my god, at least once
Speaker 3: a day. I think that'd be like my minimum.
Speaker 1: You did it every day for ten years.
Speaker 3: Every day, but you know there's some days you do
Speaker 3: it more. Sometimes you're wait for a weekend.
Speaker 1: Ryan, Why do you hate your brother so much?
Speaker 3: There were days you're like, you know, like my brother
Speaker 3: he did something nice for me, so then I wouldn't
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: But okay, so you're telling me. Fine, So your relationship
Speaker 1: with your brother is such that you fucking hate him
Speaker 1: so much that it's a given that every day you're
Speaker 1: gonna jack off onto his towel, and if he's nice
Speaker 1: to you, then you won't.
Speaker 3: Sure, I guess it also kind of depends on my mood.
Speaker 3: I guess if I'm feeling like it'll like revenge type mood.
Speaker 1: If you're feeling a revenge and I have both lives, right, Ryan,
Speaker 1: Please don't answer this question. Why do you hate your brother?
Speaker 3: No, he's a good person. No, I just like there
Speaker 3: were just times in our childhood and like there's like
Speaker 3: little like annoyances I would get and I just kind
Speaker 3: of like get back at him. But I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: in a way he would notice. I feel like every
Speaker 3: change of towel is pretty often, so it's not like
Speaker 3: it was you know, accumulats like months on one towel,
Speaker 3: that'd be pretty bad.
Speaker 1: All right. So yes, when you were a child, Yes,
Speaker 1: So yes, when you were a child, your brother would
Speaker 1: piss you off and you would jack off in his
Speaker 1: towel when you were thirteen, when you were nineteen years old,
Speaker 1: what the fuck was going on?
Speaker 3: He's just like especially that's when yeah, nine team was COVID.
Speaker 3: You can imagine being dup in your house with your brother,
Speaker 3: and you know it wouldn't even just like me personally,
Speaker 3: sometimes you like get my parents angry, and I just
Speaker 3: you know, like find it, you know, take it upon myself,
Speaker 3: like vigilante kind of typening vigilante revenge.
Speaker 1: So okay, I'm just gonna budd up a little bit
Speaker 1: of a scoreboard here only, And this is just for
Speaker 1: me and for the people listening. I need you to understand, Ryan,
Speaker 1: that the people listening when it comes to the characterization
Speaker 1: of you right now and the characterization of your brother,
Speaker 1: what we know about your brother is that when you
Speaker 1: guys were kids who would annoyed you every once in
Speaker 1: a while. And what we know about you is that
Speaker 1: every day for ten years you jacked off onto his towel.
Speaker 1: So I I just give us something Ryan that we
Speaker 1: can say, Okay, maybe I eat just something by even
Speaker 1: some stretch of an imagination, we can understand why you
Speaker 1: did this.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I guess what my understanding it wasn't just
Speaker 3: like a big deal because again, like he never noticed.
Speaker 3: And I think now that i'm vocalizing and talking with you,
Speaker 3: it's pretty fucked up. But I'll never say it. But again,
Speaker 3: the reason why I'm making this call is because I'm
Speaker 3: moving out from that point in my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you're admitting that it was so you're
Speaker 1: admitting that it was fucked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty fucked up.
Speaker 1: And over the course of ten years, did that thought
Speaker 1: ever come into your head?
Speaker 3: It kind of just, I don't know, revenge different things
Speaker 3: to your brain. Man, I think, I don't know, I'm
Speaker 3: not an only eventful person.
Speaker 1: But don't say that at all. That's a lie. It's
Speaker 1: a complete lie.
Speaker 3: I guess good, because it was like my little secret
Speaker 3: was like a little secret for me and myself only.
Speaker 1: Ryan, Yes, give us to give us one single tangible
Speaker 1: example of anything your brother did to piss you off
Speaker 1: over the past ten years.
Speaker 3: I can give you a recent example, please. It was
Speaker 3: this past summer. And again, like you figured like he'd
Speaker 3: be mature for his age. I guess give him to
Speaker 3: the specifics. But we went on a camping trip between
Speaker 3: me and my friends and we were all there having
Speaker 3: a great time, and you know, we're all just doing
Speaker 3: stuff and I kind of like took upon myself to
Speaker 3: organize a lot of trips. But that a lot of
Speaker 3: times you wouldn't help out on the camps, like because
Speaker 3: you know, you're kind of like living in the woods, like,
Speaker 3: you know, on your lonesome. Not a lot of there's
Speaker 3: only like a few of us, so everyone had to
Speaker 3: do their fair share. Of a you know activity to
Speaker 3: make sure you know, well being clean, being you know,
Speaker 3: responsible for the campsite, making sure it's clean. But there
Speaker 3: were just a lot of times where we just wasn't
Speaker 3: helping out and was yelling at me and argue with
Speaker 3: me when I was like trying to like, you know,
Speaker 3: gather everyone to do an activity or you know, help
Speaker 3: clean up, make food and stuff like that, and he
Speaker 3: would just non stop argue with me. And this was
Speaker 3: this extended from the entire trip, from being on the
Speaker 3: campsite to doing the activity we were doing for the
Speaker 3: the main reason we were there, and the argument was
Speaker 3: just kind of the whole trip so kind of just
Speaker 3: like manifested into me. Wanted to go home, not this
Speaker 3: wasn't a desire, but like my mextion.
Speaker 1: Time, Ryan, do you think, Ryan, do you think? Do
Speaker 1: you think that all of the calm of his little
Speaker 1: brother that he's absorbed into his system over the past decade,
Speaker 1: that's what you're doing. But I said, you know, it
Speaker 1: sounds it sounds really gross when I say it, right,
Speaker 1: it sounds like weird.
Speaker 3: And that's what you've been.
Speaker 1: That's you. That's not me, that's you. I'm putting it
Speaker 1: under a microscope right now. But that's all you, and
Speaker 1: they disgust your feeling right now, that's it's all you. Man,
Speaker 1: don't blame me. Do you think that's getting to him?
Speaker 1: Perhaps that's affecting his mood, that's causing him to be
Speaker 1: a little less helpful.
Speaker 3: That Oh, that's like a positive feedback loot or like
Speaker 3: makeing a feedback loop. That's not good. I hope I
Speaker 3: wasn't doing that. Oh no, your scientists have not yet
Speaker 3: studied the bad mood.
Speaker 1: The effects of rubbing your little brothers come all over
Speaker 1: your body every day years. That's what you're doing. Don't
Speaker 1: say no is if I said something that's you you
Speaker 1: This is that's not new to you. This is every
Speaker 1: day for ten years. You're reacting to it as if
Speaker 1: you've just found out about it now that you've been
Speaker 1: doing it, this has been your life.
Speaker 3: I guess you're right, though I'm not in if if
Speaker 3: someone told that to me, yeah, I don't know how
Speaker 3: I had. I think I really, you know, give him
Speaker 3: a little punch or something. But like to be honest,
Speaker 3: the fact that I didn't know, and they at least
Speaker 3: we're letting me know. Under this circumstance that they were
Speaker 3: like not doing anymore, you know, go to the bathroom
Speaker 3: and change my towel immediately. But uh, I think it
Speaker 3: would be that big of a deal. Maybe I'm saying
Speaker 3: that because I've done it, but you know, it's a towel.
Speaker 3: You just you know, we changed every you know, other weeks,
Speaker 3: So it could it could be worse. You could be
Speaker 3: like someone who changed the towel, like, you know, every
Speaker 3: couple of months. That'd be oh my god, the smell wretched.
Speaker 1: Right, I think you're letting yourself off too easy.
Speaker 3: Maybe I am, at least I'm getting this all out
Speaker 3: now that in the rough week. But this, this is good,
Speaker 3: This is good, This is helpful. Glad that this is
Speaker 3: coming to it.
Speaker 1: You basically you you all right, listen, you jacked off
Speaker 1: onto a towel. You jacked off onto something, and then
Speaker 1: your older brother rubbed it all over himself. You're like
Speaker 1: a step removed from jacking off onto your brother. You're
Speaker 1: a step removed your brother. You're like your brother probably
Speaker 1: washed his face with a towel. You are a step
Speaker 1: removed from giving your brother a facial It was painful.
Speaker 3: It was like volta ignorance. I guess you could say
Speaker 3: ignorance is bliss when you really think about it. Oh man,
Speaker 3: you're like cleaning my head now, like all these things
Speaker 3: he probably did with the towel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he probably rubbed the towel on his penis. You
Speaker 1: comed on I'm gonna you combed on your brother's stomach,
Speaker 1: You comed on your brother's face, You combed on your
Speaker 1: brother's eyes, You combed all over your brother for ten years. Ryan.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm going to repent this.
Speaker 1: You have to tell You have to tell him. You
Speaker 1: don't repent to me, you repent to him.
Speaker 3: Oh man, maybe we're both like officially moved out.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good idea.
Speaker 3: That what I can do for now is not do
Speaker 3: that activitymore, but like once we're both officially.
Speaker 1: Moved Ryan Ryan, Bryan, Bryan Bryan Ryan Ryan. Yes, please
Speaker 1: don't call it an activity.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, I'm just trying to keep it big.
Speaker 3: I don't know how twitches. I'm just trying to keep
Speaker 3: it vague. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: This is not about twitch, This is not about me.
Speaker 1: This is about you comming on your brother, and uh,
Speaker 1: hopefully you find the courage to tell him. Are you
Speaker 1: gonna do it maybe maybe on my deathbed. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. I agree. I was gonna tell you should
Speaker 1: do it now, But you should totally. You should totally
Speaker 1: not tell him at all. You should definitely. That would
Speaker 1: make it so much worse. Anyway, Ryan, is there anything
Speaker 1: else you want to say to the people the computer
Speaker 1: before we go?
Speaker 3: I've learned a lot and.
Speaker 1: I really have you tell me. Tell me, tell me
Speaker 1: one thing you learned before we go.
Speaker 3: It is very helpful to verbalize things and like talk
Speaker 3: with someone to understand if something sucked up.
Speaker 1: So will you say that you come down your brother?
Speaker 3: No, I would never say that in my life.
Speaker 1: Thank you call.
Speaker 3: Oh, I have a great day, while I hope you
Speaker 3: don't have. Yeah, you're an only child, they'd be okay,
Speaker 3: you're fine, all right, have a good.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Uh, he said, I'll be fine because I'm an only child.
Speaker 1: I'll be fine because I'm not coming on my siblings towels.
Speaker 1: And you know, I have a sister. And fucking Ryan's
Speaker 1: lucky he doesn't have a sister, because if he did,
Speaker 1: she'd be pregnant with a little Ryan incess baby, all
Speaker 1: because she didn't help out of the camping trip. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: what's going on with you? Mars?
Speaker 5: So I think my parents are swinging with my neighbors.
Speaker 1: You think your parents are swinging with your neighbors. Yes,
Speaker 1: what has made you think that?
Speaker 5: Well, So, we've lived house that we live in now
Speaker 5: for about five years and these are like my next
Speaker 5: door neighbors, like immediate next door neighbors, and my parents
Speaker 5: have become really good friends with them over the last
Speaker 5: like four years, I would say, But over the last
Speaker 5: like year and a half, I've became friends with my
Speaker 5: neighbor's son and his girlfriend, like best friends. And they're
Speaker 5: always throwing parties like at each other's houses, Like they're
Speaker 5: always there or here, like either one. My neighbors are here,
Speaker 5: my parents are over there, and we'll go over there
Speaker 5: and like drink with them sometimes or drink here at
Speaker 5: my house. But over the last year or so, we've
Speaker 5: noticed that they've gotten like almost uncomfortably close with each other.
Speaker 1: What have you been noticing that makes you feel like
Speaker 1: they've been getting uncomfortably close.
Speaker 5: This is going to sound kind of crazy, but me
Speaker 5: and my friends have like a shared Google doc full
Speaker 5: of like quote unquote evidence of them being swingers. So
Speaker 5: just they've just been really like touchy with each other,
Speaker 5: really like suspicious. Like I remember, like a few years ago,
Speaker 5: before I could drink, because I'm twenty one, they would
Speaker 5: like send me away. Like they'd be like, oh, go
Speaker 5: hang out with your friends, or go do this.
Speaker 3: Go do that.
Speaker 5: We're having an adult party at the house. And I'd
Speaker 5: be like, Okay, what the hell's an adult party. I'm eighteen,
Speaker 5: I'm an adult legally at least, but they would have
Speaker 5: these like adult nights. So I'm like, okay, that can I.
Speaker 1: Well, can I actually stop you right there because I
Speaker 1: really wanted to ask you something. So you you and
Speaker 1: your friend have a Google doc of evidence that suggests
Speaker 1: that you this is just that your parents and your
Speaker 1: neighbors are swinging.
Speaker 5: Yes. Why because at first I thought I was crazy.
Speaker 5: I thought I was just imagining things.
Speaker 1: Okay, I meant, I meant more so, why have you
Speaker 1: gone into such depth to investigate this? Like, let's step
Speaker 1: back back from the investigation itself and step into what
Speaker 1: your interest is in it? So heavily, I mean heavily
Speaker 1: enough for you to make a Google doc.
Speaker 5: It's not so much an interest, it's just like I like,
Speaker 5: I don't want to know if my parents are swinging
Speaker 5: with my neighbors, Like I don't want to go up
Speaker 5: to them and ask them.
Speaker 1: Okay, if you don't want, you don't sound like you
Speaker 1: don't want to know.
Speaker 5: It's it's more of the I don't know, like I
Speaker 5: do want to know, because they lied to me on
Speaker 5: multiple occasions about like what they're doing or where they're going.
Speaker 5: So it's more of the fact that I want them
Speaker 5: to tell me the truth rather than continue to lie
Speaker 5: to me. And I don't want to just go up
Speaker 5: to them and be like, are you guys swinging with
Speaker 5: the neighbors, because I feel like that's kind of psychotic,
Speaker 5: but I feel like that might be the best route
Speaker 5: to go. But I like that information is terrifying, Like
Speaker 5: I wouldn't want to know that, but I feel like
Speaker 5: I already kind of do deep down.
Speaker 1: This is really funny to me because you're twenty one, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: when you were sixteen or fifteen or whatever, did you
Speaker 1: have secrets that you kept from your parents?
Speaker 5: Yes? And no, not like this though I was a
Speaker 5: pretty tame child.
Speaker 1: Okay, well you said yeah, you said yes. What kind
Speaker 1: of secrets did you keep from them?
Speaker 5: The biggest one is probably that I was smoking weed
Speaker 5: with my friends on the weekend. When I would say
Speaker 5: I would go hang out with my ex girlfriend, we
Speaker 5: would just go and smoke weed at the park.
Speaker 1: And do you think that your parents didn't want to
Speaker 1: talk to you about that?
Speaker 5: Probably not, because I feel like they did have like
Speaker 5: the sneaking suspicion because I would come home high sometimes.
Speaker 1: So you have the suspicion that your parents are swinging
Speaker 1: with your neighbors, you don't want to ask them about it.
Speaker 1: I still want to know why are you so interested
Speaker 1: in it?
Speaker 5: I think it's kind of fun to assume, like because
Speaker 5: it's not just me and my friends that think this,
Speaker 5: Like it's my neighbor's older son too, he's like in
Speaker 5: his thirties. Him and his wife think it. Like my
Speaker 5: family even makes comments about like, oh, you guys spend
Speaker 5: so much time with your neighbors, like kind of trying
Speaker 5: to say something but not outright saying it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I thought it something that is it
Speaker 1: something that upsets you?
Speaker 5: I think at first it did because like IW, but
Speaker 5: now it's kind of just like it upsets me more
Speaker 5: because they're they lie to me about what they're doing,
Speaker 5: or where they're going, or they'll make me lie to
Speaker 5: my neighbor's younger kids or like my sisters. So I
Speaker 5: feel like I'm in on something that I shouldn't be
Speaker 5: in on in a.
Speaker 1: Way, Well, if you feel like you're in on something
Speaker 1: that you shouldn't be in on, I get. I get.
Speaker 1: I'm getting just so much like contradiction from you, where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is gross, I don't want to
Speaker 1: know about it. But I'm also conducting an investigation that includes,
Speaker 1: you know, multiple different files and case studies and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And then I'm upset that I'm involved in the situation,
Speaker 1: but I also want to get even more involved by
Speaker 1: continuing to investigate in it.
Speaker 5: Right, I feel like I've stopped now because it's just
Speaker 5: too much for me to like think about all the time,
Speaker 5: because that for a while it was kind of taking
Speaker 5: over my brain. But now it's just kind of like
Speaker 5: I've come to terms with it. Like if they're swinging,
Speaker 5: that's fine, just don't be so obvious about it.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 5: Cause they're really, like I said, they're really touchy with
Speaker 5: each other, Like my mom will mess with my neighbor's
Speaker 5: nipples all the time, which is really creepy and gross.
Speaker 1: What's your name? Mars? Mars? I want, I want, I
Speaker 1: really I like you. You're twenty one years old, right,
Speaker 1: You're not sixteen. You're not still living I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know you're still living on I don't know what
Speaker 1: your living situation is. But you're not a kid anymore.
Speaker 1: You're twenty one. You don't have to be there. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be in the same room as your
Speaker 1: mom and your neighbor with her touch at as nipples.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be there.
Speaker 5: You can be doing I definitely don't. I to I do.
Speaker 5: I try not to hang out with them, so so
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 1: You know, for you to be conducting an investigation trying
Speaker 1: to tell your parents what you know they should or
Speaker 1: shouldn't do PDA wise, these are all just like faulty
Speaker 1: ways to approach this situation. I mean, you know, for
Speaker 1: God's sake, you don't have to be there. You could
Speaker 1: be doing literally anything else or going anywhere else. Why
Speaker 1: Why is this something that's that's taking up your time?
Speaker 5: I agree, I definitely agree. I can be doing whatever else.
Speaker 2: But it's.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately my parents are really good at peer pressuring me
Speaker 5: like they're the only people that can, I think, but
Speaker 5: they convince me, like, oh, come over and drink with us,
Speaker 5: like we're we're just sitting around drinking, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I don't really want to, but I'll go for a
Speaker 5: little bit and then i'll leave or I'll just say no,
Speaker 5: and then they'll guilt trip me about it.
Speaker 3: So it's like.
Speaker 5: I do have control over the situation for sure, but
Speaker 5: then they guilt trip me and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: I have to go and watch you be creepy with
Speaker 5: the neighbors for like two hours. That's enough for me.
Speaker 1: You can't next time, your next time your mom asks
Speaker 1: you to come drink with you and the neighbors, you can.
Speaker 1: You can tell you you can be like mom, Look,
Speaker 1: I look mom, I'm an adult. You're an adult. I
Speaker 1: know you're fucking the neighbors. I don't care that you're
Speaker 1: fucking the neighbors. I want you. You're my mom. I
Speaker 1: love you. I want you to go have fun with
Speaker 1: your life because it's your life and you damn should.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to be anywhere involved in that.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to my room. Do that just
Speaker 1: some just please, Mars, summon the confidence to do that.
Speaker 1: You can do that. Okay, it's not gonna end your
Speaker 1: world if you say that.
Speaker 5: No, I know, yeah, you're right, You're right.
Speaker 1: I hate all these we all these workarounds of like
Speaker 1: the let's do an investigation, and it's just it's just
Speaker 1: so much avoidance for no reason that I really think
Speaker 1: you should, for lack of a better word, avoid the avoidance.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah. I feel like my boyfriend has said kind
Speaker 5: of the same thing. He's like, if you care so much,
Speaker 5: why don't you just ask them? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's real, that's that's I feel like, that's just not
Speaker 5: a conversation I'm mentally prepared for. And maybe maybe in
Speaker 5: a few years I could be like, hey, were you
Speaker 5: ever swinging with the neighbors, like as a joke kind
Speaker 5: of to see.
Speaker 1: What they say as why what why? Why? Is a joke? What? Mars, Mars.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say this, but grow up a little bit, man.
Speaker 1: You don't you don't have to have the conversation. You
Speaker 1: don't have to have the conversation, but you also don't
Speaker 1: have to keep like diving into it. If you don't,
Speaker 1: you're like you're torturing yourself with these contradictions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're right. I think anything to let
Speaker 5: it go.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 5: No, I'm super glad I called in. I feel like
Speaker 5: you've put some good perspective on this and I will
Speaker 5: take you up on your advice.
Speaker 1: Beautiful, thank you for calling Mars.
Speaker 4: Thank you man?
Speaker 1: Oh man? Am I jealous of the amazing sex that
Speaker 1: Mars's mom and dad are having with their neighbors. That's
Speaker 1: why I wouldn't want to go personally if they invited me,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to go because I would see Mars's
Speaker 1: mom rubbing her neighbor's nipples, and I would just get
Speaker 1: jealous of how much fun they both look like they're having. Hello, Jack,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 4: Oh hey man, I'm actually like, I'm actually in the
Speaker 4: middle of a game of fortnine right now. That's actually
Speaker 4: really funny.
Speaker 1: Okay, why are you gonna keep.
Speaker 4: Is that? Okay?
Speaker 1: No, that's not okay at all. You should stop playing.
Speaker 4: Then I'm done. It's it's over. It's over.
Speaker 3: Literally, it's up.
Speaker 4: Against two people.
Speaker 1: Okay, right about?
Speaker 4: Oh, he's god he's gonna kill me, and I'm gonna hang.
Speaker 1: Up on you. I'm gonna hang up on you right now.
Speaker 1: Are you there? No?
Speaker 4: No, please come here. I'm here, all right.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I get it. I'm not a video game.
Speaker 1: Video games are engineered to be entertaining and engineered to
Speaker 1: say he can say this, you can tell me anything.
Speaker 4: Can I tell you this? For I have never been
Speaker 4: in the video games in my entire life until like
Speaker 4: the past, like probably the last year. It started with
Speaker 4: Animal Crossing, like a year ago, and then now I've
Speaker 4: kind of died off from that. And then about a
Speaker 4: week ago my fiance found Fortnite, and now it's all
Speaker 4: we can do.
Speaker 1: Why do you feel like it took this long for
Speaker 1: you to get in the video games?
Speaker 4: I had an older brother, Oh I do. I have
Speaker 4: an older brother. He is still a lot. He is
Speaker 4: about a year and a half older than me, and
Speaker 4: so when we were kids, we played the same video
Speaker 4: games and the same stuff, but he would always win
Speaker 4: just because he was slightly older and he was just
Speaker 4: more experienced than just so I just like got turned
Speaker 4: off from video games up until that point. And so,
Speaker 4: but I mean, I think it worked on my favor
Speaker 4: because I'm not very competitive in general. I don't have
Speaker 4: like a very like aggressive competitive spirit. So when I
Speaker 4: lose things, I'm like all right with it.
Speaker 1: No, you don't sound like an aggressive guy at all.
Speaker 4: No, I don't feel like I am. I try not
Speaker 4: to be, and I don't. I mean it comes easy.
Speaker 1: So, so, what's what's going on with you?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: If anything?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: Uh, what's up?
Speaker 1: I said, if anything in particular?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Well, well, I was talking to your call screener. So
Speaker 4: I'm twenty two years old and I have never worn
Speaker 4: my socks the correct way in my entire life.
Speaker 5: Mmm.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that comes as a shock. M.
Speaker 1: You have never worn your socks in a correct way.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, M. What is the
Speaker 1: correct way to wear your socks?
Speaker 4: Uh? I would okay, let me be more specific. I
Speaker 4: have never worn them right side out. I've always worn
Speaker 4: them inside out my entire lives.
Speaker 1: Mmm. Okay, what's your name?
Speaker 4: My name is Gee Buns.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call you Adam.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, that works, Adam.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna blow your mind.
Speaker 5: Please.
Speaker 1: There is no correct way to wear your socks. However
Speaker 1: you wear them becomes the correct way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense, But what what if it stops
Speaker 4: me from wearing certain socks you know that you know,
Speaker 4: maybe printed in a in a fun way, in a
Speaker 4: crazy way.
Speaker 1: What if it stops you from wearing socks printed? What
Speaker 1: do you what do you mean by that? How can?
Speaker 1: How can? How can anything? A pair of socks?
Speaker 4: You know? What I do sound silly now that you
Speaker 4: put it out loud, I do. That's self realization right
Speaker 4: that I'm feeling it right now, you know.
Speaker 1: Uh. A real story is when I was I, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember growing up, I used to like my mom
Speaker 1: would like take my miss my socks, and she would
Speaker 1: always like I had white socks and blue socks and
Speaker 1: black socks and whatnot, and she would always fold the
Speaker 1: black socks together the white sox together, like she would
Speaker 1: do what you're supposed to do, right, Yeah. And then eventually,
Speaker 1: when I moved out on my own, I was doing
Speaker 1: my laundry and I had a white sock and a
Speaker 1: black sock and I was about to put them together,
Speaker 1: and I was like, white, No, these don't go together.
Speaker 1: And then I realized.
Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with them being together.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, And then I just fucking did it and
Speaker 1: I've been living my life like that ever since. You
Speaker 1: know why, because when you're an adult, you get checked.
Speaker 4: It's beautiful. You can whatever your about.
Speaker 1: It's a pick what. You don't give a fuck abound, Yes,
Speaker 1: And I don't give a fuck about if my socks match.
Speaker 1: And so that's how I live.
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, because I mean the whole thing was it
Speaker 4: was like a funny thing when I was a kid.
Speaker 4: I mean, every time I bring it up, people be like,
Speaker 4: ah ha whatever. But then like recently, people would be like,
Speaker 4: why are your socks inside out? And I was like,
Speaker 4: oh no, it's just something I've always done since I.
Speaker 1: Was a kid.
Speaker 4: And They're like, if you've gotten checked. It's like that
Speaker 4: kind of vibe. And so I was just coming to
Speaker 4: you for either validation or you know, a reality check.
Speaker 1: Everything is whatever you decide it is. So if you
Speaker 1: wear your socks inside out, and you decide that that
Speaker 1: is the correct way to wear them, and you are correct.
Speaker 4: M You're totally right there. I don't have a I
Speaker 4: don't have an argument against that.
Speaker 1: Uh, Adam, Is there anything else you want to say
Speaker 1: to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 4: Ah? Nothing, just people love.
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling out.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 1: It is important to ask why. I'm gonna start doing
Speaker 1: this every time I do anything in life. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do this tomorrow. Maybe you'll join me. For every single
Speaker 1: thing I do, I'm gonna ask myself why I do
Speaker 1: the thing, and if I don't have a good answer,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop doing it. Why do I put on
Speaker 1: socks at all? Well, because it makes me more comfortable
Speaker 1: when I put on my feet when I fucking put
Speaker 1: on my shoes. Good answer. Why do I correct my
Speaker 1: socks from being inside out to how they quote normally
Speaker 1: are supposed to be, well because that's how society says
Speaker 1: they should be worn. Bad answer. I am society and
Speaker 1: I declare society's rules.
Speaker 3: Jeremy Kad goes on the line taking your phone calls
Speaker 3: every night.
Speaker 4: De Repcon goes doing his ride. He's teaching you cloud
Speaker 4: in the mid of your life, but he's not really
Speaker 4: an expert.