1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Dave Pash Podcast. I'm your host Arizona 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Cardinals an ESPN broadcaster Dave pass. This week, we discuss 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals twenty twenty two season with Justin Pew 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: Cardinals offensive lineman. Justin was a first round draft pick 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: out of Syracuse, the highest drafted player since Dwight Freeney, 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: had a good run with the Giants and now entering 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: year five with the Cardinals. But Justin might be in 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: a new position in twenty twenty two. He's played primarily 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: left guard. Will he be a center this fall? The 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: fact that Justin's even here is maybe a little bit 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: of an upset. He thought about retiring last year. I 12 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: lied to everyone last year. Instead, I was gonna be 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: my last one and now I'm going to take it 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: one year at a time and go from there. So 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: I'm happy. I'm glad to be back, I'm healthy, I 16 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: feel good. We'll get into that and much more, including 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: his thoughts on Kyler Murray, Kyler's growth, and what Kyler 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: can become in twenty twenty two. 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You and I 28 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: both went to Syracuse. I mean, that's the big story here. 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: That's what people really want to hear is about your 30 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: experience attending what we know fondly is the Harvard of 31 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: Central New York. Yeah. I mean it's a lot of 32 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: pressure on me, especially doing a podcast, knowing that we 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: come from the media, the best media school and in 34 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: the US, so the pressure is on me as a 35 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: football player to live up to that standard that you 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: and others have trailblaze. So well, well, I heard your 37 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: press conference the other day and you handled yourself pretty well. Man. 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: So I don't know if it because you were talking 39 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: about potentially retiring, So I don't know if broadcasting is 40 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: something you've considered it all? Did you consider it when 41 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 1: you're in school at all? I considered it for a 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: short time there. I've done a little bit of interning 43 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: in the real estate world, and I liked that a lot. 44 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: I've thought about maybe trying to do both, so we'll see. 45 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: I haven't done the broadcast boot camp or anything like 46 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: that yet, but doing things like this and getting out 47 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: there and being in front of people, it's tougher as 48 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman. If I was a quarterback, they just 49 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: hand me a six figure job and put me on 50 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football. You don't really have to do too 51 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: much as an offensive lineman. You really got to be 52 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: good at your job when you're doing it, and it's 53 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: a lot tougher because you don't have that name recognition. 54 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: You're right. I've worked with coaches, quarterbacks, currently working with 55 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: a former defensive lineman, Dusty Dvorchik, who was All American 56 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, played for the Bears. Worked for a while 57 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: with Chris Spielman, who obviously played linebacker. So I don't 58 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: think you have to be somebody that's a quarterback or 59 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: a coach. Those have traditionally been the best analyst, and 60 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: obviously the name and the face recognition, so that draws 61 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: the big buck. But you can still do pretty well 62 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: in this business as an offensive life. I think I 63 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: might be better off behind the scenes, doing real estate, 64 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: just having some good conversations at a golf course after 65 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: around and giving my true opinion, because because a lot 66 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: of times now you gotta watch what you say. I mean, 67 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: you say one thing and you're canceled in a heartbeat. 68 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: So I might just keep myself out of the out 69 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: of the limelight for a while once I'm done. When 70 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: you were at Syracuse, Dick McPherson was still alive, the 71 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: long time head coach there and coach the Patriots for 72 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: a while. Did you get a chance ever to talk 73 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: with coach mac a little bit? He came and talked 74 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: to the team I played with both well, his one grandson, 75 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: Macki McPherson, who was the starting center while I was there, 76 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: So that was really my big interaction with the family. 77 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: And then Doug Morone, is my head coach, had played 78 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: under McPherson, so he carried on a lot of those traditions, 79 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: a lot of those style of coaching points, the hard 80 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: nose running laps doing updowns before games. Everyone's looking at 81 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: as funny while we're doing updowns. But meanwhile we go 82 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: from the worst team in college football my freshman year 83 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: to the co Biggies champs my last year. So Doug 84 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: Marone had something figured out. I thought he was gonna 85 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: try to make his way back up there, but it 86 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: wasn't meant to be. So I went to Syracuse and 87 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: then went back to be their play by play guy. 88 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: When you were there, Matt Park was the play by 89 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: play guy. There was a guy in between us, Mark Johnson, 90 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: who did play by play. The year that the basketball 91 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: team won the national championship was a year after I 92 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: got this job, was the Melo Syracuse National Championship. But 93 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: when I was the play by play guy in football, 94 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: coach Mac was the analyst, and he would swear on 95 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: the air every game, dropping f bombs. But he could 96 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: get away with it because he's a legends Central New York. 97 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean they eat that up. You go. You go 98 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: anywhere in Central New York, you're gonna either have a 99 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: Dick McPherson parking spot reserved for him when I was there, 100 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: or be him. It was with those two guys. Any 101 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: good restaurant you went to, they had this spot right 102 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: out front. Those guys were legends. They could almost say anything. 103 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: It's almost like Charles Barkley now you can get away 104 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: with He can say whatever he wants and the people 105 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: are gonna love him. Paul Pasqualoney, who was a longtime 106 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: coach there, who I think is at Florida now, but 107 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: he coach in the NFL for a while too. Coach 108 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: Mac used to go to all the meetings. He just 109 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: sit in the back and he didn't know how to 110 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: answer his cell phone at the time. I think Mac 111 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: was probably in his late seventies, and his phone went off. 112 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: He didn't know the ringer was on in the middle 113 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: of a meeting and Coach P. I don't know if 114 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: you've heard stories about Coach P. Quentin Harris, who is 115 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: part of the front office here, played for him and 116 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: has great stories about just getting yelled and screamed at 117 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: by Coach P. So he starts yelling and screaming throughout 118 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: the auditorium. Who's that? Whose phone is that? And it 119 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: was Mac and Matt and he was all okay, like 120 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: it was as soon as he saw that it was 121 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: Coach mac he started apologizing, Yeah, I was sorry, Yeah, exactly. 122 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: Speaking of Paul Pasqualoney, George de Leone was a coach 123 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: for Syracuse for a long time. Offensive line coach coach 124 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Passed away a couple months ago. I 125 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: don't know if you ever heard about coach Deleone, but 126 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: he did a really good job with offensive lineman for 127 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: a long time at both the college and professional level. 128 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: I never had a chance to interact with them because 129 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: when I had first gotten there Greg Robinson, who also 130 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: passed away, I'm pretty sure as as of late. I 131 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: committed to him my junior year and that staff had 132 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: came in and kind of replaced Paul Pascaloney coast Leone. 133 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: It was kind of a new regime. And then when 134 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: I committed to him, they all got fired. Doug Marone 135 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: came in, so there was that gap in Syracuse where 136 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: it was a little bit different. Daryl Gross came in. 137 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: We kind of had that USC influence. We were trying 138 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: to be maybe a little bit too flashy for the 139 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: central New York and we got back to our roots 140 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: with morons. I didn't have a chance to really interact 141 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: with a lot of those legendary coaches. Will Hicks, who 142 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: was the strength coach while I was there, was the 143 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: one person that was the consistent throughout those eras and 144 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: he helped bridge that gap. And he's still there now. 145 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: He worked with a lot of the alumni and he 146 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: bridges a lot of those older players with the newer 147 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: generation and he's done a great job of doing that. 148 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: Will Hicks actually my first day with the Cardinals in 149 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and two, I met Steve Kime and Steve's 150 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: like we had a mutual front. It was Will Hicks 151 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: because I think Will was Steve's strength coach at NC State, 152 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: and that's kind of how I ended up with the Cardinals. 153 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: So when I was going through free agency, Hicks he 154 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: called me up and he says, Hey, Steve Kim called 155 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: me and he's wondering, look type of guy you are. 156 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: He's like, I put my standard approval on you. I 157 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: know your work ethic, I know who you are as 158 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: a man. So him and my guy Jay Glazer were 159 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: kind of two people that knew Kime and got me 160 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: connected and made this place feel like home. Because once 161 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: I met Kim, it was like talking to myself. We 162 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: get along real well. Speaking of that. So you had 163 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: talked recently at a press conference about disappointment with your 164 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: contract a couple of years ago, things working out now 165 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: to come back this year. How did that go down? 166 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: How close were you to retiring when we were you 167 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: thinking in the middle of last season, Hey, this is 168 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: going to be it? Or was it something that happened 169 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: after the season? Then? How did you start those conversations 170 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: up with Steve again? Yeah, so I think before last 171 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: year you know we're going Actually two years ago comes 172 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: to me, I'm going into my fourth season with the Cardinals. 173 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: I have no guarantees left on my deal. Our deals 174 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: aren't like baseball, where it's fully guaranteed. You sometimes have 175 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: two years of guarantees and three years of guarantees. So 176 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: going into the fourth year, I didn't have any guarantees left. 177 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: COVID had just happened, the cap was going down, and 178 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: I knew there was gonna be a squeeze. Thirty year 179 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: old guys who haven't made a Pro Bowl aren't all pros. 180 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I knew I'm gonna be collateral damage at 181 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: that point. Still, really quality starter can go out there 182 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: and play good football. There's not many left guards out 183 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: there that I think are better than me. And com 184 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: comes to me and he's like, look, you're to take 185 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: a pay cutter or have to release you. And it's 186 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: not like they don't want me here. We would love 187 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: to have you. It's just that with the cap going down, 188 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: we have to make some tough decisions and then here's 189 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 1: the number we can be at. If you can meet 190 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: us there, we'll keep you on the roster. So I 191 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: said to my age and I was like, there's two 192 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: options here. I mean, either I take the deal or 193 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: I retire. I'm not playing for another team. And he's like, well, 194 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: let me just go out and see what else is 195 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: out there. Everyone else is going through the same things. 196 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: It's not like I'm gonna go to another team and 197 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden the Cardinals having no money because 198 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: of COVID, but X team is gonna be flushed with cash. 199 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: So I thought about before last year retiring and I 200 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: never had thought or question playing football. Like I said 201 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: in my press content, I was, you know, you get 202 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: a scholarship, I'm going to school for free. You get 203 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: yourrafted in the first round. Of course you're gonna play. 204 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: Cardinals give you a big contract. There's no reason at 205 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: any point to question playing football. You really have to 206 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: question your love when you're when you get a pay 207 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: cut or they say, hey, you're not one of the 208 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: top guys to quote unquote top guys anymore, and you're 209 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: gonna kind of fill a role for this team. We 210 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: need you to play left car You're you're gonna take 211 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: a thirty three percent pay cut. There's gonna be a 212 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: bunch of incentives to even get to that point. And 213 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: I really had a question, and then I, you know, 214 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: am angry. At first. I want to say, screw the Cardinals. 215 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go somewhere else. And then you stick back 216 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: and you're like, these guys changed my life four years ago. 217 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: I love being here. I love being part of this team. 218 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: My family didn't get to come to any of those 219 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: games with COVID the year before, so I didn't get 220 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: to say goodbye with them. I didn't think it was 221 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: gonna be my last game, so I decided to come 222 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: back and play one more so during the season last year, 223 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, I got to say goodbye 224 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: of the game. The last game of the season. I 225 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: had about thirty friends and family out to it and 226 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: everyone was under the impression the hey, this probably would 227 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: be it because going into the offseason, I think, again, 228 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: they're gonna come to me with a deal that I 229 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: don't want to take. And it got to a point 230 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: where I just texted come and I said, Hey, if 231 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: you want me to play next year, this is the number, 232 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: this is how it's going to be, and me and him, 233 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: he's like, all right, i'll call you back tomorrow and 234 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: he has talked a bit well, and then we got 235 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: the deal done. So I lied to everyone last year 236 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,599 Speaker 1: and said it was gonna be my last one, and 237 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: now I'm gonna take it one year at a time 238 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: and go from there. So I'm happy. I'm glad to 239 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: be back. I'm healthy, I feel good, and that's the 240 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: main part. If I didn't feel good or couldn't go 241 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: out there and play my best, because last year I 242 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: played my best football, and I think going forward, I'm 243 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: going to continue to get better and better. I've kind 244 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: of got that veteran savvy going right now, so we'll see. 245 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: I think it one year at a time. What weight 246 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: did you play at last year? Like two eighty five 247 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: to eighty And now we played the Rams the first 248 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: time we played the Rams. I was two hundred and 249 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: seventy eight pounds in that Rams game. So everyone's telling 250 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: me I'm too skinny right now, and I'm like, I'm 251 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: four pounds off of the whitest I played at last year, 252 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: and put my film on. If you think it's a problem, 253 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: put my film on. And the Cardinals obviously watched the 254 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: film and they're still paying me. So something. I gotta 255 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: get the way back up. But there's there's in our offense. 256 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: We go so fast, and the way I play it 257 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: lends itself. I'm a very aggressive player now. I was 258 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: opposed to sitting back and kind of just being like 259 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: a garbage can. You talked about Aaron Donald. Somebody has 260 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: to block Aaron Donald. And in that game, you guys, 261 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: did you blocked him? He didn't make it. I don't 262 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: remember if he had any pressures in that game, the 263 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: first game in LA and then obviously things changed the 264 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: game here and in the playoffs. What do you think 265 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: was different? And I'm sure you've been asked this a 266 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: ton for not just the offensive line, but the offense 267 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: in general as the season went along, not just obviously 268 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: losing DeAndre Hopkins a big deal. But what else happened. Yeah, 269 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Kyler went down, I got hurt. I 270 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: didn't play in that Monday night game against the Rams. 271 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: I was still I came back the following week. We 272 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: have to be better in the biggest situations. We have 273 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: to do all the little things right, because that is 274 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: what loses you those big games, the Green Bay game 275 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: where you know we're eight and no we're driving down 276 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: to beat him, and we and we have little mishaps 277 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: and didn't come down to that last play game. It 278 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: came down to earlier in the game where we're putson 279 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: around out there and we fall into a little hole 280 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: and have to make this miraculous comeback. When you play 281 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: in those biggest on those biggest stages, in the most 282 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: important games, where everything's on the line, you have to 283 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: execute at the highest level. We were able to get 284 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: by a lot of times last year just being more 285 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: talented than everyone we were on the field with. When 286 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: you get late in the season, guys are dinged up, 287 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: you're not as healthy as you want to be. It's 288 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: the little plays. It's doing the little things right where 289 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: no one even knows you're supposed to make that block 290 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: or you're supposed to, you know, make that check, things 291 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: like that. That's what wins those games. And that's where 292 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: we have to get better. And if we don't take 293 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: those steps, it's gonna be the same result. What do 294 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: you think your role is going to be this year? 295 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: Because with Rodney Hudson not here, there's been talk that 296 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: maybe you know, Rodney's retired, he's not coming back. We 297 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: don't know for sure. Is your role going to be 298 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: center or are you gonna have to play both guard 299 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: and center. I don't know. I've never played center before 300 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: in my career, but I've seen guys play center late 301 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: into their careers. Guard is a much more I want 302 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: to say much more. I mean playing on of line 303 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: is physical throughout, but guard, with the amount of pulling 304 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: and trapping and you're one on one more often, Center, 305 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: mentally is just is so much tougher. And in our offense, 306 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: the center makes a lot of the calls. That's why 307 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: we've prioritize that position every offseason. You see we had 308 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: a Q Shipley and Mason Cole that went out and 309 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: got Rodney Hudson. We clearly value that position. So for me, 310 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: it's like if I'm gonna keep taking pay cuts a guard. 311 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: Maybe I should move to center and see if I 312 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: can do that, because if I can play center at 313 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: a high level, obviously we prioritize that. So for me 314 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: as a business decision, it might make the most sense 315 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: for me to play center. But I'll do whatever's best 316 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: for the team. I've played guard. Playing guards like riding 317 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: a bike for me, and you can put me out 318 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: there and I know what I gotta do, so to 319 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: get some reps at center and see how that shakes out. 320 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: It's interesting, it's fun, it makes you break a mental sweat, 321 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: and I learn a little bit more. Oh maybe better 322 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: if I want to be a broadcaster, because you gotta 323 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: learn coverages and do all those things. So at the 324 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: very least it's going to help my broadcasting career. So 325 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: help the listener that doesn't really understand what a center 326 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: goes through mentally, and that you're learning through minicamp, and 327 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: I assume will learn even more here between now and 328 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: training camp. What are some of the differences from a 329 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: tackle which you've played in the NFL, to guard, which 330 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: you've played mostly and then being a center mentally mentally, 331 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: the tackle doesn't is worried about blocking the best pass 332 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: rusher on the defense. Like that's why, I mean, everyone's 333 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: seen the movie The Blindside. Hey, we're gonna put you 334 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: out there and you're gonna block Vall Miller. You're gonna 335 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: block Khalil Mack. The guard is a little bit more 336 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: physical because the tackle on third down earns his money 337 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: and we're a passing league, so let's not joke about it. 338 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: The tackle is the hardest physical position to play on 339 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: the field, Like any position, they're going backwards by the 340 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: best athlete on the field is rushing out on full speed. 341 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: At guard. These guys inside are getting better and better. 342 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron Donald may go down is the best 343 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: defensive player of all time, and we gotta blockhin. Then 344 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: we got a pool and block eyes. You have to 345 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: be able to be versatile movement space, and there's a 346 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: lot of collisions At guard center. You're getting up and 347 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: you're getting everybody aligned. So the guard just relays whatever 348 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: the center tells him to the tackle, and that's kind 349 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: of the end of the communication. At center, you're looking 350 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: at safety rotation, trying to see where they're bringing the 351 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: pressure from, and working with the quarterback to get everyone 352 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: on the same page. Once you id the defense and 353 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: get everyone blocking the right guy, then you have to 354 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: get the cadence from the quarterback and make sure all 355 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: that's going well. The best centers and quarterbacks are constantly 356 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: changing up their cadence. I mean, you look at Aaron 357 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: Rodgers and Green Bay. He's he's running a masterclass on it. 358 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: And that's that's the nuance of playing that position that 359 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm not there yet, I'm, you know, trying to learn now. 360 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: But Rodney Hudson and mastered that as well. There's a 361 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: clip in Tennessee where playing the Titans Week one, Rodney 362 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: Hudson realizes that they're bringing a zero pressure, changes the 363 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: mic point and we start working to a different player. 364 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: We score a touchdown. The little things like that is 365 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: what you know, goes beyond what you can see on film. 366 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: You have to be out there and know, like, hey, 367 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: what scheme are we running? What are you supposed to do? 368 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: Oh wait, you saw this coverage switch. It's all about 369 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: safety rotation and changing a mic point, scoring us a touchdown. 370 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: So doing things like that, it's what makes the center 371 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: position so unique and so important. What are the conversations 372 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: like with Kyler when you're playing center, So he'll come 373 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: up and he'll give you the play, and then you're 374 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: iding and getting us on the right page. So Kyler 375 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: will come up and Hill just give you, Hey, here's 376 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: a run play to the left. Now you have to see, hey, 377 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: is the safety capping the linebacker? When I said capping 378 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: the linebacker? Is the safety hovering behind the linebacker, which 379 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: then gives the linebacker an ability to trigger and blitz. Okay, well, 380 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: he's potentially able to blitz. We have to work to him. 381 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: As an offensive line. We have to put the offensive 382 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: blockers on the potential blitzers or rushers from the defense. 383 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: And so once Kyler gives you the play, uid get 384 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: it's all on the right page. If they ever out 385 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: number hey Kyler, let's check this. Or Kyler will be like, hey, 386 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: we got too many numbers over here to the left. 387 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: Let's switch it and run a play to the right. 388 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: And that's one of those things where you're working together 389 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: to get the offense and the best play, and the 390 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: center has to do a good job of helping Kyler, like, hey, 391 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: let's check that out of this. This is not a 392 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: good look we're running. We have four blockers and they 393 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: have five blitzers where we don't have enough. It's just 394 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: simple football math. It's even though the Syracuse graduation, we 395 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: can figure that one out. I'm still figuring out. I 396 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: didn't go to a Look, I didn't go to class 397 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: very often at Syracuse. So give me a sense of 398 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: Kyler's growth in terms of understanding all those things from 399 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: year one to what you saw last year to maybe 400 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: some of the things you've noticed through mini camp. Yeah, 401 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: it was night and day. I mean, as you come 402 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: in as a rookie, you're just going off of your 403 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: skill and your talent and being the number one overall pick. 404 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: He had a lot of skill and a lot of 405 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: talent that has gotten him by since he started playing 406 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: football when he was young. He's always been more talented 407 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: than every other guy in the football field. And he 408 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: was able to kind of play a little backyard We 409 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: had some backyard football moments where things break down, he 410 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: rolls out and makes a miraculous throw, and we still 411 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: do that from time to time. It's taking those easy 412 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: play that the defense is given to you. Okay, we 413 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: have the safety's rolled over here. I know we're getting 414 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: nickel pressure. Let's just dump it out to Rondel Moore 415 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: and let him go get five or six yards as 416 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: opposed to scrambling around, running for forty yards, running for 417 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: your dear life and making this miraculous throw. Those are 418 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: the types of things he's gotten better and better at, 419 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: and it's gonna take taking that next step, integrating cadence, 420 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: integrating audibles and getting us in to the best plays. 421 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: Those are the things that'll get us to that next level, 422 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: and I'll get us over the hump and I'll win 423 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: us those big games. I saw a tweet from you 424 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: recently where you were at I think I don't know 425 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: if it was top golf, it was somewhere where you 426 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: were using the clubs that Kyler gave you. Guys ready 427 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: gave every offensive line in a set of golf clubs, 428 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: which it's in ten years. It is the best gift 429 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: I've ever gotten from a quarterback. And Eli Manning gave 430 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: some great stuff, but that was the best offensive line 431 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: gus I've seen. Okay, because there are a lot of 432 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: people that say, well, Kyler, we're not seeing the leadership. 433 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: Kylie needs to grow, he needs to mature. What are 434 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: some of the things that we don't see that. You 435 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: guys see with Kyler and where he's grown in that regard. Yeah, 436 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean, first you have to look at it. We 437 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: have probably the most veteran offensive line in the NFL. 438 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: I mean across the board. DJ Humphries in year eight, 439 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm in year ten, Ronnie Hudson's year twelve, Kelvin Beasham's 440 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: year eleven. We had maxcar Cstar last year, who was 441 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: year eight or nine. Kyler is in his third year 442 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: in the NFL. I mean he's going against a stack deck. 443 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: Like the offensive line, we're the salty veterans. We're gonna 444 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: be the ones kind of taking that role. And when 445 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: I was in New York, Eli Manning was not a 446 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: vocal leader. He was the first one in, he was 447 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: the last one out, and he did everything right. Kyler 448 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: comes in, he does everything, He does everything we asked 449 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: him to do. Like everyone's getting all bet out of shape. 450 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: He's missing voluntary workouts. Through voluntary workouts, we weren't here 451 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: like last year with COVID, we didn't have the voluntary 452 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: the year before we didn't have voluntary workouts. There's a 453 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: finite time for a player with his skill set to 454 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: get paid. There's a business to football. Everyone wants to 455 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: forget about the business of football and everyone. You look 456 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: at what golf has going on right now, and everyone 457 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: everyone forgets about the business of football, and fans don't 458 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: want to hear about it. And I get it, you 459 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: want to see us play on Sundays. But at the 460 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: same time, if Kyler were to go out there and 461 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: not get paid, and then go out there and have 462 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: an injury and then never get paid, he sacrificed that 463 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: a finite period of time to maximize his capital. And 464 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: I'll never blame a guy for doing it. I mean, 465 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: gods are gonna get pissed. He's gonna have to deal 466 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: with the backlash. I was here four years ago and 467 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: we didn't have Kyler Murray. Remember that team. I've seen 468 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: a lot of quarterbacks come through the store. Justin in 469 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: twenty one years, we had the worst offense and I 470 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: think NFL history. So when Kyler got here, light went 471 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: back on, irrelevance came back on. We started playing primetime 472 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: games again. We've been in the playoffs, We've been relevant. 473 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: Our fan base has something to look forward to every year. 474 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: There's something to be said about that Now obviously there's 475 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, people don't like the way you look. Look 476 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: at Eli Manning, the Eli Manning face that's plastered everywhere. 477 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: No matter what happens, you're gonna have issues. If someone 478 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: came and followed you around with a microscope, and I 479 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: saw Odell Beckham deal with this in New York City. 480 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: Everywhere you go you have a camera on you, You're 481 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: gonna do something that somebody's gonna have something negative to say, 482 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: especially in the world we live in now. No matter 483 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: what you do, they're gonna be a negative connotation associated 484 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: with So. Yes, does Kyler have a MOPy attitude on 485 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: the sidelines from time to time? Yeah, so do I, 486 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 1: but they don't have a camera on me when I'm 487 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: sitting there angry after we have a turnover we lose 488 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: a game. So that's the one thing I'll never fall 489 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: a guy for trying to cash in on all their 490 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: hard work. It's interesting you what you've said is what 491 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: Zechert said on this podcast, what JJ Watt said. Adrian 492 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: Wilson we had on in the middle of the last season, 493 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: the same thing, and Adrian said, Look, I wasn't always pleasant. 494 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: I was grumpy a lot I want to win. When 495 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: we walked down the hallway, Adrian doesn't even say hi 496 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: to some people. Adrian's still got that mean look on 497 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: his face, like you don't even want to talk to him. 498 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: I'm scared. He's bigger than I am. He is, he 499 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: still is. So the guy's like forty yeah, I know 500 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: he's a monster. He's yoked. One more thing on Kyler 501 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: and you mentioned not being there for voluntary He was 502 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: here for mini camp and he doesn't have his contract. Like, 503 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: to me, that says a lot about Kyler as a leader, 504 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: like he understands he's gonna be here, they're gonna get 505 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: something done, Like that's the goal. Everybody's made that clear. 506 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: Obviously Kyler is going to be a Cardinal for a 507 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: long time. But the fact that he's been here what 508 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: he didn't have to be and he doesn't have his contract, 509 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: especially after some things that happened in the offseason, which 510 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: I'm guessing in some ways he probably regrets with how 511 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: things were handled from his camp. You don't have to 512 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: answer that because it's really none of your business, but 513 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: I just feel like that says something to me that 514 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: he was here. Most people didn't think he was going 515 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: to be here, at least outside this building. We always 516 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: run into the ambression that he was going to be here. 517 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: Obviously he may not be as happy as he would 518 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: be if he had the contract, but he's been here, 519 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: which just lets you know the two sides are getting closer. 520 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: If it was if it was farther apart and they 521 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: weren't seeing eye to eye and then things weren't close, 522 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: I don't think he would be here. He's here. He 523 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: wants to win games. At the end of the day. 524 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: If we win games, things take care of themselves. And 525 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: showing that we're working towards that I think. I think 526 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: it's only a matter of time for this thing gets done. 527 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: Hopefully it's done before camp, so we just have, you know, 528 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: everything in the rear view and we're going to winning 529 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: games at that point. What are some of the differences 530 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: that you've seen with Cliff and how he's grown in 531 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: his role and how the offense has changed or I mean, 532 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: the run game clearly is a lot different now than 533 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: it was year one. What are some of the areas 534 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: you've seen Cliff grow Because to me, Cliff has always 535 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: come off as, first of all, if you don't like 536 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, it's your problem. Like Cliff gets along with 537 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: everybody's like the nicest guys are is and he's very 538 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: smart and he's very humble. And the offense looks a 539 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: lot different than what he had at Texas Tech, and 540 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people didn't And I did 541 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: games for him when he was at Texas Tech, and 542 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean the offense is in some ways the same, 543 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: but a lot of it's different, and a lot of 544 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: people didn't see him adapting, but he has and he's 545 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: winning games and he's in the playoffs. Yeah. I think 546 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: what Cliff does well is he doesn't micro manage every 547 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: little situation. He puts people in positions to do their jobs. 548 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: Cliff loves getting people open, he loves coming up with 549 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: the past game concepts. And then he has Coach Kugler, 550 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: our offensive line coach, do a lot of the run 551 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: game stuff. So it's like, hey, coach Kugler, you've been 552 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: part of very successful rushing attacks. Bring some of that knowledge. 553 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: Now sometimes they get into whatever stuff and Cliff obviously 554 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: is the head coach. But I think that's the one 555 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: thing that I love about Cliff. If he puts you 556 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: in a position to do a job. He expects you 557 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: to do your job, and that's something that has shined through. 558 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: I think in our first year we were still kind 559 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: of fine tune in some things. What do we do 560 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: well every year? An offensive line or an offense the 561 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: running backs, you figure out what's the best scheme for you, 562 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: and that's something that changes every year. With Cliff's ability 563 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: to adjust, that's his biggest strength. He's never gonna pigeonhole 564 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: you into one thing and just kept saying, hey, we're 565 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: gonna keep running this play untill it works. All Right, 566 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: that doesn't work, Let's do this and and find creative 567 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: ways to get our ball carriers the ball in space. 568 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: And that's something that he does better than than anybody. 569 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: All Right. The running back room. With losing Chase Edmonds, 570 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: he got you know, James Connor obviously coming back, had 571 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl season. You got Darryl Williams. How do 572 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: you see that position shaking out in terms of its 573 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: effectiveness and any changes that you see there with that group. 574 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: I think James kind of keeps that that same role 575 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: and he will go out there be short yardage, he'll 576 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: he mean, I mean, he was getting out in the 577 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: passing game, doing screens, doing all those things. He was unbelievable. 578 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: I think a guy to look for is you know, Benjamin. 579 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: He looked great in mini camps so far. He's probably 580 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: been our best outside zone running back that we've had 581 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: on the roster, even last year, and he had to 582 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: learn how to pass protect and that was really the 583 00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: only thing. You can't trust the guy to be in 584 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: the game if you can't trust him to pick up 585 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: in pass protection. And he's gone night and day from 586 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: last year to this year. So I think he's gonna 587 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: have a big jump. The new guy from Kansas City, 588 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: I don't know him too well, so we'll learn more. 589 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: He's a big guy. I think he'll be able to 590 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: go downhill and help us out there. And then Jonathan 591 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: Ward's another guy. It's always run hard for us, So 592 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: I'm excited for the running back room. Unique guys that 593 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: are gonna run hard, hit the hole and keep it going. 594 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: And I think we've got a bunch of guys that 595 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: can do that. Before we get you out of here. 596 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: What's it like being a husband. You're recently married April correct, 597 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: So a couple of months ago, Yeah, a few months ago. 598 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: It's it's not much has changed, to be honest with you. 599 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: We were living together for a few years out here 600 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: in Arizona. Before that, she was getting ready to kill 601 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: me if I didn't propose. But we had a beautiful 602 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: wedding down in Cancoo, Mexico. All of our friends, family, 603 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: had some of the teammates down, so it was it 604 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: was a great time. And now she's she's really happy. 605 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: So hopefully we got some kids on the way soon. 606 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: We got two dogs we're dealing with right now, so 607 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: that's enough work for us at the moment. But hopefully 608 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: after the season, once things settled back down, we'll be 609 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: expecting father, so well hopeful. And you are in Arizona 610 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: year round, correct? I'm in Arizona year round? Yeah, I do. 611 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: I work out in the off seasons and I go 612 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: do a little internship out of real estate firm here 613 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: in town. So it's a nice little one two punch. 614 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: So I don't know if we're gonna be going anywhere 615 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: anywhere anytime soon, but eventually we'll be down in Florida. 616 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: That's where most of my family is. So going from 617 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: the football field to real estate, it seems like it 618 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: would be night and day in terms of the preparation 619 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: and the mindset. Am I wrong or is it similar? 620 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: It's very similar. It's it's got the same camaraderie. I 621 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: mean you have like you have the architect, then you 622 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: have the GC, the general contractor. Then you have the 623 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: person that's meeting and getting all the entitlements in the zoning, 624 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: and all these people have to work together. It's just 625 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: like a football team. If one guy goes out and 626 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: does his job. The architect designed this amazing building, but 627 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: you can't build it for the right price, and you 628 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: can't get the zoning done, or you can't get the 629 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: financing right. It all falls apart. So you got the 630 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: one quarterback to kind of the rainmaker. The guy from 631 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: our company's name is Jeff. He's the best, and he 632 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: kind of puts us in position to make He caused 633 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: the play, and then we all go out there and 634 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: do our little jobs. I'm trying to figure out where 635 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: I fit in there. I don't know if it's a 636 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: left guard or center, but we'll see. We'll see how 637 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a wide receiver exactly exactly. Well, I hope 638 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: you play football for the Cardinals for a long time. 639 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: If you don't. If this is it and you decide 640 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: to go into real estate, I think you're missing out. Man. 641 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: You do pretty well with this And I don't know 642 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: if it's just your comfort level, because I've heard you 643 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: over the years handle yourself very well with the media. 644 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've just always been comfortable. But 645 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: you got good energy. Man. I think you could do 646 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: this for a living if you wanted to. We'll see, 647 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: we'll see. Maybe we'll co host a podcast and we'll 648 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: see how that goes. All right, man, we can pitch that, 649 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: we'll find we'll find us somebody to spend some money 650 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: on the right a check. Appreciate the time, Justin, Thanks man, 651 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: awesome take care man. Justin was good. You could tell 652 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: he's so comfortable with the microphone. Had a lot of 653 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: great things to say about his career, about Kyler Murray 654 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: and just the way he was able to break down 655 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: the differences between being a guard in a center and 656 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: then communicate to you guys. Hopefully you were able to 657 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: follow him as I was. I thought he did a 658 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: really good job of breaking everything down. Great stuff on 659 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: his Syracuse career as well, and also congrats again to 660 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: Justin on being a husband and potentially a father in 661 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: the future. You can follow us on Twitter at Pash Pod. 662 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: We are presented by bet MGM, the official sports betting 663 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Hila River Hotels 664 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: and Casinos. We've had a lot of great guests since 665 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: we debuted the Dave Pash Podcast last summer, going back 666 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: to Kurt Warner, Cliff Kingsbury, Steve Kime, Vance, Joseph Buddha Baker, 667 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: JJ Watt, zach Ertz, and now Justin Pugh. We're gonna 668 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: take a little bit of a break, but when training 669 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: camp starts in the end of July, well we will 670 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: have more guests on the Dave Pash Podcast, and not 671 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: just Cardinals guests. We had JJ Reddick and Jeff Van 672 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: Gundy and Mike Terrico and James Rode and Frank Caliendo 673 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: on this podcast, and we promised to bring you some 674 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: guests outside of the Cardinals building and also outside of 675 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: football as well. Thanks again to Justin Pugh, Thanks to 676 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: you for listening to another edition of the Day Pash Podcast.