Speaker 1: To our remove goling deep, speedless, peace, do hell.
Speaker 2: From the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 1: This is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield. He's my havnds in
Speaker 1: the playoffs.
Speaker 2: What is up Dolphins and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 2: I am your host, Travis Wingfield. And on today's show,
Speaker 2: it is the last podcast before football is back.
Speaker 1: Baby.
Speaker 2: We're finishing the preview of training camp with the defensive
Speaker 2: side of the football. We'll talk to some special teams.
Speaker 2: All of that and more from the Baptist Hill Studios
Speaker 2: inside the Baptist Hill Training Complex.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 2: The Draft Time Podcast. We did the offense on the
Speaker 2: podcast on Thursday. Today we do the defense tomorrow. We're
Speaker 2: going to have media availabilities, so don't forget to check
Speaker 2: out the team YouTube channel, to check out my Twitter
Speaker 2: account at Wingfield NFL for all the updates on report
Speaker 2: day and of course on Wednesday, we'll have practice Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 2: Friday practice those are going to be closed to the
Speaker 2: fans open to the media. So your exclusive home for
Speaker 2: the best Dolphins camp coverage. When you can't get out here,
Speaker 2: don't listen to anybody else but you boy, come right
Speaker 2: back here for all the updates and the stories from
Speaker 2: the day as we recap media, coaches, press conferences, and
Speaker 2: of course all the action on the field. For training camp,
Speaker 2: we'll have Saturday off, comeback on Sunday, and do it again.
Speaker 2: And that's basically the cycle for the next month and
Speaker 2: a half. Three days on one day off, and then
Speaker 2: we get to the games and the schedule changes around
Speaker 2: those as well. But you guys have seen the training
Speaker 2: camp schedule. It all kicks off on Wednesday with the
Speaker 2: closed practice that I will provide updates on Twitter after
Speaker 2: practice concludes.
Speaker 1: That's the rules, and.
Speaker 2: Then we'll have the podcast and written notebook for you
Speaker 2: guys on those days as well. Let's go ahead though,
Speaker 2: before that and preview the other side of the football
Speaker 2: after I got all jacked up on Mountain do Baby
Speaker 2: on the offense talking about all the electricity and doing
Speaker 2: the do basically at receiver, running back, and tight end,
Speaker 2: and how I think this offense can go to yet
Speaker 2: another level in twenty twenty four. Can the defense sustain
Speaker 2: last year's production? Do they want to? Was it good
Speaker 2: enough last year? I think there's some misconceptions about how
Speaker 2: good the defense was and statistically it was pretty good,
Speaker 2: especially when you consider the points allowed that were kind
Speaker 2: of bloated by some offensive giveaways. I mean we had
Speaker 2: pick sixes last year too, had one in the Jets game.
Speaker 2: Mike White had one in the Panthers game. We had
Speaker 2: a punt return against the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1: What else do we have?
Speaker 2: There was a.
Speaker 1: Wasn't there another?
Speaker 2: Oh, a fumble six against the Chiefs. I know there
Speaker 2: was a few pick six against the Giants as well.
Speaker 2: There was a few because Vic Fangio was quick to
Speaker 2: tell you in his press conferences about the offense to
Speaker 2: allowing points, and so that number was good. Some of
Speaker 2: the efforts down the stretch, I think keeping Mahomes and
Speaker 2: the Chiefs offense out of the end zone was a
Speaker 2: little bit bloviated by the fact that they just made mistakes.
Speaker 2: I mean, Travis Kelcey had a massive third down drop
Speaker 2: in the red zone that basically cost them four points.
Speaker 2: The Bills had the play at the end of the
Speaker 2: half I couldn't get in the end zone. A great
Speaker 2: play by Jerome Baker to make that happen, But Josh
Speaker 2: Allen has a propensity to do that. In fact, there
Speaker 2: was a play at the end of the half in
Speaker 2: the game at Buffalo in twenty twenty two where Allen
Speaker 2: ran around and expanded the entire clock, expired the entire clock,
Speaker 2: and then threw a touchdown like a miraculous touchdown. So
Speaker 2: he does that and you can get him out of
Speaker 2: any point possibilities, and that happened. It seemed like all
Speaker 2: game long. A couple of picks in the end zone
Speaker 2: for the Bills in that game too, So I think
Speaker 2: that their efforts were valiant. I think it was a
Speaker 2: good defense. But I think that the last couple of
Speaker 2: games and how they performed in that Chiefs and Bills
Speaker 2: game kind of gave a different.
Speaker 1: Reality to what actually occurred.
Speaker 2: Because I go back to a Baltimore game where the
Speaker 2: offense went right down the field and scored a touchdown,
Speaker 2: should have scored a second touchdown by how to drop
Speaker 2: pass in the end zone, and then was driving again
Speaker 2: a third time and converted a big fourth down in
Speaker 2: that game, but the defense went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,
Speaker 2: and that is tough to overcome. Or the Week four
Speaker 2: game against Buffalo where the offense went touchdown, touchdown, but
Speaker 2: the defense went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, Like, you can't
Speaker 2: allow twenty eight consecutive points to begin a game and
Speaker 2: expect to be in the game and expect your offense
Speaker 2: to match that on any given week. You don't care
Speaker 2: how good your offense is, scoring touchdowns on four consecutive
Speaker 2: possessions just does not happen in this league. So and
Speaker 2: then the Eagles game more the same. They played really
Speaker 2: well against the Chiefs offense that kind of spluted out
Speaker 2: all year long. They held the Cowboys and Check at home,
Speaker 2: But most big games we saw are against big time quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: you know, playing passively against Justin Herbert and that Chargers
Speaker 2: offense in the opener to get ran all over for
Speaker 2: thirty four points like that was a common theme last year.
Speaker 2: So I hope the plan is to stop that and
Speaker 2: to perform better in terms of getting quicker stops, getting
Speaker 2: the ball back to the offense, and not just trying
Speaker 2: to event seven points all the time, because even as
Speaker 2: you do that, you limit your offensive opportunities, you expend
Speaker 2: your defense's energy, and by the end of the game,
Speaker 2: maybe they have nothing left in the tank. So that's
Speaker 2: kind of my my five minute spiel on why last
Speaker 2: year's defense wasn't as good as a numbers suggested. Can
Speaker 2: this year's defense be better than that? That's the hope.
Speaker 2: If they can. I have very very very very very
Speaker 2: very very high expectations for this team and where they
Speaker 2: can go. We start on the line up front, and
Speaker 2: we'll go ahead and kick it off with kind of
Speaker 2: the depth chart that I anticipate heading into camp, and
Speaker 2: it all circulates around Zach Sealer. He is the straw
Speaker 2: that stirs the drink. He has been in my opinion,
Speaker 2: the nfls if you go on the last five years
Speaker 2: balance of just football coverage and production, and he gets
Speaker 2: his name in there more now than he did in
Speaker 2: the past. But with a double digit sack season, I
Speaker 2: think that Zach Sealer is the most underrated player in
Speaker 2: the entire National Football Lead. And the production was there,
Speaker 2: maybe there's not the insane sizzle as a pass rusher
Speaker 2: in terms of like quick wins or embarrassing reps where
Speaker 2: he like crosses over a guy and puts him on
Speaker 2: his butt. But he will play through you, and he'll
Speaker 2: get fourth down stops, and he'll stay in his gap
Speaker 2: and hold up against double teams, and he'll play eighty
Speaker 2: percent of your snaps and do it in a way
Speaker 2: that he just is so durable and reliable and tough
Speaker 2: and accountable and gives you the maximum effort every single snap.
Speaker 2: That's the guy you build a team around, and build
Speaker 2: a defensive front around. And I think it sucks that Pepper,
Speaker 2: as it were, is no longer here. His best buddy
Speaker 2: and they made magic together. But I look at Kalaias
Speaker 2: Campbell's tape last year and it was as good, Okay,
Speaker 2: it was eighty five percent as good as Christian wilkins
Speaker 2: tape was last year. And he is probably just as flexible,
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit reduction in snap counts, although he's
Speaker 2: played like sixteen thousand snaps in his career, which is
Speaker 2: outrageous averages like seven hundred and sixty snaps a year
Speaker 2: over how many years has he been in the league fifteen.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it is we just covered
Speaker 2: when we talked to him in the podcast. But I digress.
Speaker 2: So those are the top two guys, like by far
Speaker 2: to me, that should play the most reps. And they
Speaker 2: can play you know, one shade, they can play three technique,
Speaker 2: they can play five like, they can do whatever you
Speaker 2: want across the defensive line and line up in any
Speaker 2: gap and play with positive leverage and power and keep
Speaker 2: their gap integrity that way. Beyond that, I think next
Speaker 2: for me would be tier Tart. I think his explosiveness
Speaker 2: and quickness is much more replicatable of what Christian Wilkins's
Speaker 2: game was, and I think that that can really have
Speaker 2: a major impact when you factor in how much Campbell
Speaker 2: and Sealer combined can kind of eat up space and
Speaker 2: eat up blockers and create lanes to run through, which
Speaker 2: applies to the linebackers for sure, But let's say you're
Speaker 2: giving Seiler or Campbell a spell. I think you can
Speaker 2: run some games and some picks where Tart is the
Speaker 2: looper and Campbell or Stealer is the pick man and
Speaker 2: get production that way. Next, I would go to Sean Hand,
Speaker 2: who I think quietly had a nice year in sort
Speaker 2: of a reserve role. I think a second year here
Speaker 2: with Austin Clark can help him better understand, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of how to play the style of defense that
Speaker 2: he wants. And of course, Anthony Weaver comes from the
Speaker 2: defensive line background, and Weaver and Clark have been just
Speaker 2: two pis in the pods so far. Getting along in
Speaker 2: terms of how they want to coach this thing. I
Speaker 2: think Deshaun han could be one of the biggest beneficiaries
Speaker 2: of that. To me, that's the top four, and then
Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of a drop off.
Speaker 2: I probably say Benito Jones would be next in terms
Speaker 2: of significant snaps in the role, just because I think
Speaker 2: he does something that nobody else really on this team
Speaker 2: does in terms of being a three hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: five pounds space eater over the nose tackle position to
Speaker 2: just basically be a tree stump to allow all that
Speaker 2: activity and all that speed and athletic ability you have,
Speaker 2: whether it's Chubb and Phillips off the edge, or Shaq
Speaker 2: Barrett and Chop Robinson to come down and play a
Speaker 2: nosebacker position to rush off of him, or it's Jordan
Speaker 2: Brooks and David Long in the second level firing downhill
Speaker 2: and doing all they can do to deconstruct walks and
Speaker 2: make free runs on running backs. And the quarterback has
Speaker 2: blitzers as well, so I think that his role factors
Speaker 2: into that position. I do like the games of Neville
Speaker 2: Galimore and Jonathan Harris, who I think kind of check
Speaker 2: in that next category as guys that can be like
Speaker 2: three hundred, four hundred snap takers, can maybe have a
Speaker 2: spot start here and there and just give you quality play.
Speaker 2: I think that Harris really kind of found a niche
Speaker 2: role as a five technique in some positions or situations
Speaker 2: last year some four to four I kind of from
Speaker 2: that five position outside the tackles shoulder to kind of
Speaker 2: condensing inside to you know, more over the guard type
Speaker 2: of positions. Whereas I think Gallimore is a three technique.
Speaker 2: I think that he played zero and one in Dallas
Speaker 2: at an undersized weight. I think that was a mistake
Speaker 2: to play him at the three technique and what maybe
Speaker 2: some more five as well where he played at Oklahoma
Speaker 2: would be a better use of his skill set. And
Speaker 2: then from there, I kind of like Leonard Paine, the
Speaker 2: undrafted rookie out of Colorado who has a lot of
Speaker 2: explosiveness and can get a first some first step quickness,
Speaker 2: which this entire group seems to really excel with. If
Speaker 2: you go and look at the athletic profile of not
Speaker 2: just the team or the defense, with the team in general,
Speaker 2: they just got so much more athletic this year. And
Speaker 2: Leonard pain is one of those guys that kind of
Speaker 2: exemplifies that and how he flies around and puts pressure
Speaker 2: on offensive lines and makes early commitments to your pass
Speaker 2: protection slides and schemes that you have to kind of
Speaker 2: open up the gate on some of the other stuff
Speaker 2: because you have to deal with that first step quickness
Speaker 2: of a guy like Leonard Paine or tier Tart in
Speaker 2: that regard. After that, you know, added Isaiah Mack early.
Speaker 1: In the offseason.
Speaker 2: Mario Kendricks, Brandon Peelee are all guys that are kind
Speaker 2: of trying to find their way maybe into the practice squad,
Speaker 2: but that's kind of how you run out the group there.
Speaker 2: Austin Clark is the coach of this group and Kenji
Speaker 2: Cotton is the assistant coach in the defensive line room.
Speaker 2: Very different group from last year, much deeper. I mean
Speaker 2: we had basically with if it wasn't Zach and Christian,
Speaker 2: there was a significant drop off to the depth that
Speaker 2: Sean Han was kind of that next guy, but beyond
Speaker 2: that they really didn't have much. So you were thankful
Speaker 2: that neither of those guys missed games. And this year,
Speaker 2: if you can do the same, you'll just have a
Speaker 2: deeper rotation. We go to the linebacker position. Let's go, oh,
Speaker 2: off ball first. I usually go edge first. We'll go
Speaker 2: We'll go ahead and start off ball here. To make
Speaker 2: it a more no you know what, we are going
Speaker 2: to go edge because there is more edge guys check
Speaker 2: that going to the edge position group here. We'll start
Speaker 2: with the top and this one is a little bit
Speaker 2: convoluted because of injuries. Heading into the new campaign, I
Speaker 2: anticipate Jalen Phillips will be an opening day starter. I
Speaker 2: don't think that they'll be the same case for Bradley Chubb.
Speaker 2: We'll find out, but I think the Chill will be
Speaker 2: back a little bit later, kind of more in line
Speaker 2: with his injury occurring on New Year's Eve opposed to
Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips's on was it Black Friday?
Speaker 1: So I think that you probably see.
Speaker 2: Phillips opening day, maybe Chubb sometime in October. Is my
Speaker 2: expectation or prediction for that, Although I don't actually know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of what I expect to happen. So with
Speaker 2: those two guys, I mean, I talked about it all
Speaker 2: camp long about how good they were at defending the
Speaker 2: edge running game against the team. The team, let's say,
Speaker 2: the rest of the Niners that threatens the edge and
Speaker 2: the running game better than anybody else in the entire
Speaker 2: National Football League. And they do it because they are massive,
Speaker 2: they're strong, they're long armed, and their mindset is, we
Speaker 2: can play the edge, working outside to m to help
Speaker 2: prevent these wide runs and also get back over the
Speaker 2: top of the block to hit b gaps. And whether
Speaker 2: it's a windbacker or a back that decides to bang
Speaker 2: a post to bounce it outside, and all of that
Speaker 2: kind of fall secondary to elite past rush ability that
Speaker 2: can win from a variety of positions in that regard too.
Speaker 2: They can go hand in the dirt, they can go
Speaker 2: stand up linebacker, they can drop into coverage. They can
Speaker 2: also condense down into three techniques and rush the guard
Speaker 2: and put those guys on their butts and create chances
Speaker 2: that way. I think about how this group might look
Speaker 2: in terms of, Hey, it's third and twelve, why don't
Speaker 2: we put Bradley and JP head up over the three
Speaker 2: techniques and have them bowl rush the guards inside and
Speaker 2: then roll out the variety of potential edgebrushers you have
Speaker 2: beyond that off the outside. And if you can tell
Speaker 2: by the difference in the tone or the microphone here
Speaker 2: had to jump on for a quick edit because, as
Speaker 2: you guys all know by now, over the weekend, news
Speaker 2: came down that Chack Garret was going to go ahead
Speaker 2: and call it a career And look, let's go ahead
Speaker 2: and first start with this best of luck to Shack
Speaker 2: and retirement. As I'm sure most of you know, tragedy
Speaker 2: struck in his household a couple of years ago and
Speaker 2: he lost his young daughter. He signed with Dolphins back
Speaker 2: in free agency and before the new league year or
Speaker 2: before the new season began, said you know what, my
Speaker 2: heart's not in this.
Speaker 1: I might spend more time with my family.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and do that, not put you guys
Speaker 2: out at this stage or further down the road, i
Speaker 2: should say, in the training camp, which could have then
Speaker 2: slidified a guaranteed salary and triggered more money off the
Speaker 2: books for Miami. But Shaq Barrett calls it a career
Speaker 2: rate there, and let's just go ahead and get through
Speaker 2: that bit of news here real quick. So first off,
Speaker 2: from the great Kyle Krabs talking about the contract impact
Speaker 2: of this decision of the retirement, that there will be
Speaker 2: a savings of four point five million dollars in void
Speaker 2: cap in twenty twenty five this part of this contract,
Speaker 2: but'll also recover two and a half million dollars this year.
Speaker 1: But a new player who.
Speaker 2: Jumps into the top fifty one roster spots in terms
Speaker 2: of salary commitment to that player will meaning will mean
Speaker 2: one million dollars one and a half million dollars savings
Speaker 2: this year because that player bumps up into your top
Speaker 2: fifty one which of the players that count against the
Speaker 2: salary cap.
Speaker 1: So I guess the good thing is there.
Speaker 2: He did it before training camp began and gave the
Speaker 2: Dolphins a chance to go out and search for the
Speaker 2: replacement for Shaq Barrett and Cam Wolf is alreadyported that
Speaker 2: Emmanuel Ogba has been hosted back by your Miami Dolphins
Speaker 2: for a visit to maybe come back and do this
Speaker 2: thing again for a twenty twenty one, two three four
Speaker 2: for a fifth season with the Miami Dolphins. So we'll
Speaker 2: see the next domino to fall in this. I doubt
Speaker 2: you won't see one, because I think this opens up
Speaker 2: a spot at this position. But I just want to
Speaker 2: touch on this. It is not a nothing loss. It
Speaker 2: is not the biggest loss. This is not Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 2: going down for eight weeks of the season on day
Speaker 2: two of training camp. This is not one of your
Speaker 2: high powered offensive stars going down. This is a guy
Speaker 2: that was going to start early probably most likely. I mentioned,
Speaker 2: I think that JP's on good track to get some
Speaker 2: rep before this season begins, and we'll see if he
Speaker 2: starts opening day, but I think there's a really good
Speaker 2: chance for that to be a possibility.
Speaker 1: And then we'll see.
Speaker 2: On Bradley Chubb, I really don't know on his timeline,
Speaker 2: but I would assume. I would assume there's some time
Speaker 2: down for him, and Shaq would have been a great
Speaker 2: person to fulfill that role, right. He was good against
Speaker 2: the run, gave you occasional pass rush, could have slotted
Speaker 2: into a third or fourth pass rusher role beyond Chop
Speaker 2: Robinson down the stretch as guys were getting healthier and
Speaker 2: he was coming along on the defense. So I understand
Speaker 2: that that is a loss for sure, no doubting that.
Speaker 2: But it's not the end of the world. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just not like I saw. I was on the
Speaker 2: golf course when I saw this news break and I
Speaker 2: saw that there was some reactions on Twitter and whatnot.
Speaker 2: And you know, I guess that's how it's going to
Speaker 2: be every time some news or a player loss or
Speaker 2: an injury, like that's that's how it goes. I get it,
Speaker 2: but it's a loss. It's not a huge loss. Wish
Speaker 2: the best for Shack and retirement him. On the podcast
Speaker 2: a while back was was so good.
Speaker 1: He was one of my favorite guys interview.
Speaker 2: I will say it does kind of stink because I
Speaker 2: believe Shaq was kind of viewed as an upgrade to
Speaker 2: Andrew Van Ginkle off the edge in terms of ability.
Speaker 2: I thought the tape was better and he was cheaper,
Speaker 2: so I thought that was a bit of a.
Speaker 1: Cooper for the Dolphins there.
Speaker 2: But it winds up being kind of a lost loss
Speaker 2: because you don't give Van Ginkle back and you don't
Speaker 2: get Shaq Barrett because he is now retired.
Speaker 1: So not great. I'm gonna go through the rest of
Speaker 1: this podcast.
Speaker 2: If I miss any cuts of Shaq Barrett's name and
Speaker 2: taking things out, I apologize. This was a twenty fifth
Speaker 2: hour addition to the podcast here. I'm stech technically still
Speaker 2: on vacation, but want to go ahead and add that
Speaker 2: nugget and give you guys thoughts on Shaq Barrett's retirement
Speaker 2: in this Monday podcast. So, like I said, I think
Speaker 2: there's an opportunity for a veteran to be added here,
Speaker 2: But I also believe this is an opportunity for a
Speaker 2: guy like Mohammed Kamara or Grayson Murphy. I lean towards
Speaker 2: Mohammed Kamara. You talk about first up explosiveness. I could
Speaker 2: see him being part of that like NASCAR package where
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, Mo, go give us eight snaps a
Speaker 2: game where you just light your freaking hair on fire
Speaker 2: and you guys heard him the podcast. The guy is
Speaker 2: an absolute maniac in his personal and how he played.
Speaker 2: I love, love, love love a person nowady like Muhammad Kamara.
Speaker 2: Hey go light your hair on fire and chase quarterbacks
Speaker 2: for eight snaps a game. Hey go get Josh Allen
Speaker 2: and just run him down, Like what if Mo Kamara
Speaker 2: is the spy or Chop Robinson. Again, that increased athletic
Speaker 2: ability of those of these rooms, I think better suits
Speaker 2: us to defend quarterbacks like that that have given us
Speaker 2: so much issues in the past, whether it's Josh Allen,
Speaker 2: whether it's Lamar Jackson, whether it's Jalen hurts On the
Speaker 2: schedule last year, so that's I think a big benefit
Speaker 2: for this group. I'll go with Kamara five. I think
Speaker 2: Cam Good would be next for me if he were healthy,
Speaker 2: but we'll see how quickly he can get back. He
Speaker 2: had a pretty devastating injury in the Buffalo game, so
Speaker 2: we'll see how he looks coming back off the injury.
Speaker 2: The one to not sleep on here, and in fact,
Speaker 2: I probably bump him up to the four to five
Speaker 2: range more than the six range. I have men right
Speaker 2: here is Cam Brown because he had a really good
Speaker 2: ota where he just looked good on the individual drills
Speaker 2: against the bags, holding the edge in the running game
Speaker 2: in these non padded practices, which is kind of tough,
Speaker 2: but you can see technique that these guys play with.
Speaker 2: You know, you're gonna get told throughout camp, oh there's
Speaker 2: no pad. You can't learn from that. Yes, you can
Speaker 2: just watch football and understand football and ask a coach
Speaker 2: what they learn like they if you couldn't take anything
Speaker 2: away from it, they wouldn't have those practices. But Cam
Speaker 2: Brown's ability to like long arm and keep the outside
Speaker 2: arm open to you know, to get off those blocks
Speaker 2: and make plays off the edge. It's the same thing
Speaker 2: as Chubb and Phillips I talked about he is so
Speaker 2: good set in the edge, and then go watch his
Speaker 2: special teams tape. He is going to have a role
Speaker 2: on this football team, and he right now going into
Speaker 2: camp is kind of one of the guys I have
Speaker 2: circled as a player that you don't know about or
Speaker 2: haven't heard about, or never hear talked about that will
Speaker 2: surprise and will make plays in preseason and will make
Speaker 2: plays in training camp, and all of a sudden, come
Speaker 2: opening Day, it's like, oh yeah, Cam Brown's a big
Speaker 2: part of this football team. After that, I think Grayson
Speaker 2: Murphy can play like this whole room. I think Grayson
Speaker 2: Murphy has a future in this league, whether it's here
Speaker 2: or somewhere else because of how deep this group is.
Speaker 2: He just has a really good arsenal of pass rush moves.
Speaker 2: He's got a great head in his shoulders. You heard
Speaker 2: him back on draft time a few weeks ago, where
Speaker 2: he was just really sharp and a fun conversation. And
Speaker 2: then Quentin Bell top to Botim, I love this room
Speaker 2: because Quentin Bell was a guy that was earning like
Speaker 2: practice squad player of the Week frequently last year. He
Speaker 2: did have a freak injury in the indoor facility in
Speaker 2: one practice that just like robbed him of the rest
Speaker 2: of the season where I think he was getting close
Speaker 2: to some elevations with how limited that group was. Keep
Speaker 2: an eye on Quinton Bell as well. Every guy in
Speaker 2: this room I think can play in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: And it's gonna be coached by Ryan Crow, who I
Speaker 2: think Dolphins fans are gonna get a great dose of
Speaker 2: Ryan Crow and see just what he offers in terms
Speaker 2: of leadership and intensity because he brings that stuff every
Speaker 2: single day. All right, first break right there, we'll come
Speaker 2: back on the other side. We'll do linebackers, defensive backs,
Speaker 2: and special teams here on this podcast. Still, that's all
Speaker 2: next Draft Time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to
Speaker 2: you by Auto Nation, d line and edge positions in
Speaker 2: the bag. That means we have the second level and
Speaker 2: third level of the defense still to discuss. We'll also
Speaker 2: do special teams here, even though again, as you guys know,
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot to offer on special teams.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fun training camp though, trying to
Speaker 2: get through what the kickoffs look like, because no one
Speaker 2: really seems to know yet what that's gonna look like.
Speaker 2: And we saw some of it in o Ta's It
Speaker 2: was cool. It was a different experience, and I'm very
Speaker 2: excited to see how that plays out in the NFL,
Speaker 2: which you know NFL. I talked about us on the
Speaker 2: podcast last week about how disappointed I am the content
Speaker 2: standpoint in the NFL media side of things, lopping off
Speaker 2: what to me was the best football podcast from an
Speaker 2: entertainment perspective. But one thing the NFL does really well
Speaker 2: is they adapt their rules and game to adjust to
Speaker 2: what needs to be done. So hopeful that new kickoff
Speaker 2: rule has a fun impact. Let's go ahead and talk
Speaker 2: about some players that could see some time on those
Speaker 2: kickoffs here on special teams because this linebacker group, I mean,
Speaker 2: look team employee, like Dolphins fan my whole life, typically
Speaker 2: have always taken the positive side. You're gonna say, like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're just hyping things up here, but dude, like, where
Speaker 2: is the flaw here? Man? We just talked about an
Speaker 2: edge group that I like every single player and love
Speaker 2: the top of that and think the top four or
Speaker 2: five guys in that rotation is the best in the
Speaker 2: National Football League. When Healthy talked about Sealer and Campbell
Speaker 2: and a good rotation behind those guys to give you
Speaker 2: good depth and you know, just rotation. Look at this
Speaker 2: linebacker room and I see two studs. I see a
Speaker 2: guy that has a very defined role. I see a
Speaker 2: great special teamer, and then one guy who's trying to
Speaker 2: kind of get his feet wet and maybe has a
Speaker 2: future down the road, but it hasn't happened for him yet.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's basically the way you want to see
Speaker 2: a room built. So we go down this group here.
Speaker 2: To me, Jordan Brooks is the leader of the room.
Speaker 2: He's got the most production. And David Long's like right there.
Speaker 2: I think he could go either or. But Jordan Brooks's
Speaker 2: instincts and ability to play coverage and ability to fire
Speaker 2: downhill and see things and anticipate the way a great
Speaker 2: quarterback does, I think stands out in so many ways.
Speaker 2: He takes great angles, he arrives with tenacity, He can
Speaker 2: time up a rush off the edge as a blitzer.
Speaker 2: He can fall into coverage and play the hook and
Speaker 2: carry a tight end or a big receiver down the
Speaker 2: seam twenty yards and make a play on that football
Speaker 2: and then trigger back and flip his hips and get
Speaker 2: down hill and come get the running back on a checkdown.
Speaker 2: Just a lot of really good skills in Jordan Brooks's
Speaker 2: game that to me kind of exemplifies what Anthony Weaver
Speaker 2: might want in a linebacker in terms of how we
Speaker 2: saw it with ro Quand Smith and Patrick Queen and Baltimore.
Speaker 2: Just like super Flexible can really expand that hook zone
Speaker 2: from a defensive standpoint and also get downhill and play
Speaker 2: a physical brand of football while he can blitz cover
Speaker 2: and defend the run. David Long, I mean, you guys
Speaker 2: saw it last year. I just his instincts for the
Speaker 2: position are so rare and so unique and how he
Speaker 2: sees it and he reads the key and goes man.
Speaker 2: There is no hesitation in his game. He can get
Speaker 2: into the backfield untouched. I have not seen many linebackers
Speaker 2: that play his size that can deconstruct blocks the way
Speaker 2: he can by slipping them or.
Speaker 1: Getting off of them.
Speaker 2: From a physicality standpoint, he plays the screen game super well.
Speaker 2: Not going to run the vertical coverage aspect I talked
Speaker 2: about the Jordan Brooks, but can definitely get sid on
Speaker 2: the sideline and make plays that way. They are a
Speaker 2: really nice combination in terms of instincts and speed and
Speaker 2: tenacity and just setting a certain tone for your defense.
Speaker 2: Speaking of ton, I think the next guy in the
Speaker 2: list is Anthony Walker Junior, who is a big gap
Speaker 2: to big gap banger. He can play that hooks on
Speaker 2: a little bit not as much depth and flexibility going backwards,
Speaker 2: but maybe you know, put your feet, plant your feet
Speaker 2: in the ground and play going forward downhill in the
Speaker 2: run play action game and maybe check a running back
Speaker 2: or a tight end in that short hook or the
Speaker 2: curl flat areas out to the perimeter. I think that
Speaker 2: when they go three backers, which doesn't happen too frequently
Speaker 2: in this league, I think Walker is kind of one
Speaker 2: of those guys that comes in and just gives you
Speaker 2: a really stout run defender, especially in short yards, kind
Speaker 2: of like a Landon Roberts was for so many years.
Speaker 2: I think he's a more athletic, a little bit more
Speaker 2: well equipped in the coverage game a Landon Roberts than E.
Speaker 1: Rub was.
Speaker 2: And then after that, I think it's Duke Riley, who
Speaker 2: in a pinch can really give you some good reps
Speaker 2: on defense. I think the more he was on the
Speaker 2: field the more teams kind of put the sombrero on
Speaker 2: him and went after him, like in the Kansas City
Speaker 2: game and the results weren't great, or the Baltimore game
Speaker 2: for that matter, But when he came off the bench
Speaker 2: against the Commanders, like he played really really well in
Speaker 2: that game when Jerome Baker got hurt. I thought he
Speaker 2: was good against the Titans as well without Baker. But
Speaker 2: his biggest prowess to me is on special teams. I
Speaker 2: thought he really shined in that role before he got
Speaker 2: the promotion to defense. So I think I would look
Speaker 2: out for him to be a key contributor on those
Speaker 2: new kickoffs and kind of be a guy that helps
Speaker 2: this special teams unit take that next step that needs
Speaker 2: to be taken under coach Crossman, and then Channing Tendall
Speaker 2: will be next. For me. He had one day at
Speaker 2: camp and OTAs that was like, WHOA, where has that
Speaker 2: been all this time? Otherwise relatively quiet, but he has
Speaker 2: all the traits you could want, speed, explosiveness.
Speaker 1: Does he get the game though? Does he get football?
Speaker 2: Because he only played like four hundred and fifty snaps
Speaker 2: at Georgia has played twenty snaps on defense. If that
Speaker 2: in the National Football League hasn't been great on special
Speaker 2: teams either. Does it finally click for a player like
Speaker 2: him who was super young, super raw, and not a
Speaker 2: lot of experience. I mean, we saw a guy Lasher
Speaker 2: on the offensive line that fit that criteria that you
Speaker 2: all and myself included were ready to say it's time
Speaker 2: for a new right tackle. And now he's a new
Speaker 2: contract in a lunch pin of the offensive line, and
Speaker 2: Austin Jackson Ken Chang Tendall take that route. I don't
Speaker 2: think you can just say, oh, it's happened to Austin Jackson,
Speaker 2: so it's gonna happen to Chang Tendall. But I don't
Speaker 2: give up on players after two years just because you know,
Speaker 2: the mental side hasn't clicked yet.
Speaker 1: So we'll see.
Speaker 2: But it's definitely not a good sign for a player
Speaker 2: when you go out and you acquire, you know, three
Speaker 2: free agent linebackers in the last two years to basically
Speaker 2: supplant the role that he was hoping to find. And
Speaker 2: then Zeke Vandenberg got hurt last year in camp and
Speaker 2: he'll come back and try to compete for a role
Speaker 2: on this year's team. And this is all coordinated by
Speaker 2: linebackers coach and run game coordinator Joe Berry, who comes
Speaker 2: over from the Packers as the DC the last couple
Speaker 2: of years there in Green Bay. Let's do cornerbacks and
Speaker 2: then we'll take a break and finish up with safties
Speaker 2: and special teams. I mean, stop me if you've heard
Speaker 2: this before. I think this room is pretty good. It
Speaker 2: starts with Jalen Ramsey, who is I talked about on
Speaker 2: the AC East Recap podcast. To me, is the best,
Speaker 2: the best defensive player in the division. I think he's
Speaker 2: I think he's still the best cornerback in the NFL
Speaker 2: because of his flexibility, because he can play safety, because
Speaker 2: he can play buck line, because he can play the
Speaker 2: star position, because he can play on the flanker against
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson and lock him down for an entire game.
Speaker 2: He is elite in his preparation, in his mindset, as
Speaker 2: a teammate, in his involvement. He is so committed to
Speaker 2: the Miami Dolphins. He is physically one of the best
Speaker 2: players I've ever seen in my entire life from a
Speaker 2: length and explosiveness standpoint. He anticipates, he knows how to
Speaker 2: prevent getting stacked. He knows when he can drive on
Speaker 2: balls and how he can recognize route concepts and get
Speaker 2: himself in position before the ball even gets there. Elite
Speaker 2: player and I've harped on this so damn much. I
Speaker 2: can't wait to watch it in training camp. Kendall Fuller
Speaker 2: is the number two cornerback for me, hands down. And
Speaker 2: I don't even think you have to necessarily dictate who
Speaker 2: your slot cornerback is because both of these guys are
Speaker 2: maybe as good in the slot as they are on
Speaker 2: the perimeter, and that can just help you every single
Speaker 2: week dictate matchups how you want to. Typically the offense
Speaker 2: is the one who dictates matchups, but defensively, when you
Speaker 2: have guys that can do this, and I would put
Speaker 2: Javon Hall in this category as well, which three absolute
Speaker 2: studs and coverage that can play anywhere on defense, the
Speaker 2: offense has to account for that, and I think they're
Speaker 2: gonna have to against Ramsey Fuller, excuse me, and the
Speaker 2: rest of the defensive backfield here and with Kendall Fuller
Speaker 2: just the instincts for the position, it's basically copy and
Speaker 2: paste of Ramsey Sands. All the physical skills that I
Speaker 2: raved about which are are there, They're just not quite
Speaker 2: as unique and rare as what Ramsey features. But from
Speaker 2: an intellectual standpoint, I think these guys are gonna drive
Speaker 2: the scheme and they're gonna really be dependent upon these
Speaker 2: two guys's flexibility to create game plans that are tailored
Speaker 2: specifically for each team to shut down what those teams
Speaker 2: do well because of Ramsey and Fuller's flexibility on the
Speaker 2: back end. And then I mentioned the slot cornerback. I
Speaker 2: don't think you have to determine. I think the Cater
Speaker 2: Coohu and camp Smith battle figures to be maybe one
Speaker 2: of the most intriguing in all of camp and I
Speaker 2: look at Cater's ability to play inside as a benefit
Speaker 2: to him, whereas Cam's ability to play on the perimeter
Speaker 2: is a benefit to him.
Speaker 1: So it could be you.
Speaker 2: Have your third and fourth cornerback are almost interchangeable on
Speaker 2: a game plan basis, Like don't be surprised if one
Speaker 2: starts one game and plays sixty snaps and one starts
Speaker 2: the next game and plays sixty snaps. Cater strengths are
Speaker 2: playing downhill. He has that Tasmanian devil slop cornerback type
Speaker 2: of mentality where he will go hit you.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a better.
Speaker 2: Tackler in the game in that position than him, or
Speaker 2: maybe maybe there's a couple. Taron Johnson's a guy that
Speaker 2: comes to mind. Tr Trent McDuffie for the Kansas City Chiefs, like,
Speaker 2: there's a couple of guys that fit that category. But
Speaker 2: cater Co who's right there a little grabby in coverage
Speaker 2: last year. I think when he's on the perimeter, you know,
Speaker 2: without help, there was some exposing there in terms of
Speaker 2: the technique in the coverage. But I think that he
Speaker 2: can really bounce back and find his rookie year form
Speaker 2: again and be that player for you where Cam Smith,
Speaker 2: like gosh, watching him glide around and practice at camp,
Speaker 2: it didn't translate to games, and we saw him kind
Speaker 2: of take the cheese on double moves of time or
Speaker 2: two here or there. But he's physical, he seems to
Speaker 2: understand route concepts and how he can take chances. And
Speaker 2: I hope a fresh slate here for him can really
Speaker 2: produce in year two because I think those two guys,
Speaker 2: it's a big year for both cater and Cam Smith,
Speaker 2: and if neither of them can kind of find their
Speaker 2: footing in that role, then I think that Ethan Bonner
Speaker 2: has a chance to be a dude because I saw
Speaker 2: much of the same in terms of how he can
Speaker 2: kind of mix his looks and show you, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna press up and plays play a man against you.
Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, the snap bail out and
Speaker 2: I'm zone turning and playing off coverage, and now the
Speaker 2: quarterback has a different picture in the receiver has his
Speaker 2: release playing kind of thrown off pace, and then he's
Speaker 2: incredibly fast. We saw him get over the top of
Speaker 2: the formation in that Kansas City game and make a
Speaker 2: big tackle before the sticks he finds the football had
Speaker 2: a big force fumble in that game as well, So
Speaker 2: I think that his I think there's something there with
Speaker 2: Ethan Bonner.
Speaker 1: And to me, those top.
Speaker 2: Five guys are really good players that can make a
Speaker 2: big impact here, and then to me, that's the line
Speaker 2: of demarcation. I think Saran Neil probably his next in
Speaker 2: that group. Although he is a special teamer, you know,
Speaker 2: true and true like some of the best special teams
Speaker 2: tape in the National Football League, who you know, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say it's like Key on Crossman, where if you
Speaker 2: put him on defense, it's going to be that look
Speaker 2: like that, but I think that he can do more
Speaker 2: for you there and more on special teams, but kind
Speaker 2: of in that same vein. And then I would look
Speaker 2: towards I like Isaiah Johnson and Storm Duck's college tape,
Speaker 2: but you know, UDFA is trying to crack this room,
Speaker 2: going to be tough. I think i'd probably go with
Speaker 2: Storm Duck as the one that could do it. I
Speaker 2: would put them in the same group as Jason my Tray,
Speaker 2: who's also here, was a late addition to the team.
Speaker 2: So that's the room there. It's coached by Matthew Arujo
Speaker 2: and assistant DB's coach to Shan Shed getting this group
Speaker 2: ready to go to make a run of this thing
Speaker 2: here and hopefully that that Ramsey in fuller connection mat
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a big impact on this defense.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take our last break right there.
Speaker 2: Come back on the other side and do one more
Speaker 2: segment before training camp. We'll do safeties and specialists. That
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Speaker 2: basically playing the South Florida Majors all week long. In fact,
Speaker 2: my schedule we're gonna be into this already as far
Speaker 2: as golf goes, is Monday the fifteenth, Plantation Preserve, Tuesday
Speaker 2: or Wednesday. I don't have plans yet, but I'll probably
Speaker 2: go play a solo round somewhere by myself Wednesday, no
Speaker 2: no check that. Thursday, gonna go play Normandy Shores in Miami.
Speaker 2: Friday gonna go play Miami Beach Golf Club, also in Miami.
Speaker 2: I think Saturday is gonna be either back to Preserve
Speaker 2: or at Miami Shores, and then Sunday my last hurrah
Speaker 2: at my home course, Pembrooke Lake. So if you want
Speaker 2: to come out and play some golf, that's where I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be. I guess this is already late into that,
Speaker 2: So this weekends when you're gonna get a chance to
Speaker 2: come out and play some golf. But the goal is
Speaker 2: to average eighty two.
Speaker 1: That's my.
Speaker 2: Net stroke goal, and I want to break eighty twice.
Speaker 2: I've done it two times this year, did it once
Speaker 2: last year, my second full year playing golf. Want to
Speaker 2: break eighty two more times this year and go into
Speaker 2: the season and not forget about my swing because last
Speaker 2: year I didn't play it all during the football season,
Speaker 2: but go into training camp with a couple of seventy
Speaker 2: eights and seventy five on my resume hopefully.
Speaker 1: So that's me.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and finish up this position group here
Speaker 2: that the defensive side of the football with the safeties
Speaker 2: and again more additions here. We had one late into
Speaker 2: the offseason that I think makes a big impact in
Speaker 2: this whole room is kicked off and the straw that
Speaker 2: stirs the drink here is Yevon Holland. Jevon Holland one
Speaker 2: of the best safeties in the National Football League, one
Speaker 2: of the best Twitter accounts in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: Two for my money, questionable golf swing, but he's getting
Speaker 2: there now.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Jeavon.
Speaker 2: You probably own some the podcast, but your swinging's good
Speaker 2: for a first year golf for sure. His defensive prowess
Speaker 2: is centered on the same things we talked about with
Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey and Kendall Fullard.
Speaker 1: Number one.
Speaker 2: I go back to this clip all the time, the
Speaker 2: PAC twelve Championship game for a few years back when
Speaker 2: he was at Oregon where he was playing the backside
Speaker 2: two and the front side three ran over route and
Speaker 2: he knew, based upon the route combination, how he could
Speaker 2: basically pass off his man and jump the route of
Speaker 2: somebody else. Like I made the comparison a while back,
Speaker 2: and I won't do it again, but it was so
Speaker 2: Ed Reid like in the anticipation and the vision for
Speaker 2: the field. And I think that this year's defense needs
Speaker 2: to find a way to maximize that better. And we
Speaker 2: know that last year's presentation with static present the exact
Speaker 2: same look. Every snap will rotate from there. I think
Speaker 2: Javon's ability to line up in multiple places. I mean,
Speaker 2: go back to that Baltimore game in twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: when he was down on line of scrimmage and coming
Speaker 2: after Lamar Jackson, Like, why would we not utilize that
Speaker 2: more frequently and find more ways to get him involved
Speaker 2: in different areas of the game. I think your entire
Speaker 2: room here, your entire purpose should be to free up
Speaker 2: Javon halland to go make plays. Whether it's in the post,
Speaker 2: whether it's in the slot, whether it's in the box.
Speaker 2: He can do anything and everything, and he will help
Speaker 2: this room kind of go and I look at the
Speaker 2: next two guys to me or Jordan Poyer and Marcus
Speaker 2: Maykin of interchangeable in terms of the skill sets for me,
Speaker 2: both physical, both love to come down and hit. Marcus
Speaker 2: may really really supports the run super well and can
Speaker 2: make an occasional play in the football. But going vertical
Speaker 2: and coverage, I think that's kind of a saft spot
Speaker 2: for those two guys. So I don't want to I
Speaker 2: don't expect to see either of them playing in the
Speaker 2: post alone this season outside of a couple of occurrences
Speaker 2: and even some two high splits where they probably going
Speaker 2: to play more robber role and try to play forward
Speaker 2: opposed to going back and also limit their exposure to
Speaker 2: man coverage and slot positions or the like. So I
Speaker 2: think that those three together, Holland, Poyer and May have
Speaker 2: a really good collection of skills that complement each other
Speaker 2: in what would be a big Nickel package right five
Speaker 2: defensive backs. Three of those guys are safeties. You'll play
Speaker 2: three safeties and two perimeterive cornerbacks. Like I can see
Speaker 2: a lot of defense this year where it's Holland, Poyer,
Speaker 2: May and then Ramsey and Fuller because what we talked
Speaker 2: about like there's a kind of drop off there at
Speaker 2: cornerback after those two guys because they're both all world
Speaker 2: and nobody else in the room is yet. And then
Speaker 2: it say like Javon Hollins all world, Poyer may have
Speaker 2: a specific role, and then from there it's like an
Speaker 2: experienced safety Nick Needum or you know Elijah Campbell who's
Speaker 2: played a lot of special teams, not as many reps
Speaker 2: on defense. But I think those three guys in your
Speaker 2: big nickel would be a very impressive group. I think
Speaker 2: Elijah Campbell could slot into one of those roles and
Speaker 2: if needed in case of an injury. I think that
Speaker 2: his tackling ability and there's was some range last year
Speaker 2: he showed as well that shows up on special teams,
Speaker 2: but also on defense. I think need him is probably
Speaker 2: your next post player. If something were to happen to
Speaker 2: Javon and he doesn't you know, he misses some games
Speaker 2: like he did last year, I think he has the
Speaker 2: best ability to kind of range silent the sideline and
Speaker 2: see the game from that position, but also tackle well
Speaker 2: in that critical position on the football field.
Speaker 1: So those are the like the five guys that I
Speaker 1: think will be on the team I suppose are going
Speaker 1: into training camp. That's how you stack the depth chart.
Speaker 2: Let's let's do it in order to hear Javon for
Speaker 2: me Poyer in Mays two and three or three and
Speaker 2: two like interchangeable. And then I'll go Campbell for need
Speaker 2: him five with the rookies rounding it out, Patrick McMorris.
Speaker 2: McMorris will be six from and he has a great chance,
Speaker 2: I think, to be a special teams impact player right away.
Speaker 2: And then Mark Perry and Jordan colbra I thought had
Speaker 2: good OTAs as well, so fun balt there to kind
Speaker 2: of run out the back end of the safety group
Speaker 2: on this defense. The defensive backs and past game specialist
Speaker 2: coach is Ryan Slowick. He was with the outside linebackers
Speaker 2: last year, very very well regarded in the building as
Speaker 2: a coach, and there's a reason that he's back under
Speaker 2: a new coaching staff. Here specialist Jason Sanders, Jake Bailey,
Speaker 2: and Blake Ferguson. They play football like I don't know. Man.
Speaker 1: Sanders is pretty consistent last year.
Speaker 2: Had started finding that the range on the deep field
Speaker 2: goals late in the year, which was great to see
Speaker 2: that comeback. Bailey I thought was a great holder, the
Speaker 2: punting wasn't as good, the covers teams were not as
Speaker 2: good that year last year. And then Blake is a
Speaker 2: long snapper as a second contract here, so I tell
Speaker 2: us what they think about him. Danny Crossman's back Ronnie
Speaker 2: Bradford the new assistant special teams coach here. I think
Speaker 2: that the biggest addition to this group was just the
Speaker 2: overall names in terms of back end of the roster,
Speaker 2: guys that can be core special teamers, like you know,
Speaker 2: Duke Riley got kind of pulled off that late in
Speaker 2: the year last year. Saran Neil's gonna be the ace
Speaker 2: of that room, you know, alec Ingold's role in that position.
Speaker 2: I think Durham Smyth because of John Neus Smith and
Speaker 2: Jody Fortson can play more on special teams. Cam Brown again,
Speaker 2: Cam Brown's gonna be a big impact player on special teams,
Speaker 2: maybe even defense as well. New kickoff rule is gonna
Speaker 2: be so much fun. I can't wait to watch how
Speaker 2: they attack it. That's gonna be the biggest thing for
Speaker 2: me to watch in training camp. Sometimes it's just how
Speaker 2: the special teams look.
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