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Speaker 3: see from Kyle's play calling they're not protecting this kid

430
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Speaker 3: at all. They're letting them play and they should because

431
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Speaker 3: he's really good. You know, we just have a hard time.

432
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Speaker 3: There's there's certain movements that I can't explain. You know,

433
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Speaker 3: there's the justin Fields movement that has created the sensation

434
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Speaker 3: in the NFL that no matter bet or you know,

435
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Speaker 3: how you look at the evidence, even on the analytical side.

436
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Speaker 3: You can't get people to believe that he's not a

437
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Speaker 3: great quarterback yet and there's no evidence that he is.

438
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Speaker 3: He's won ten games. And then there's the Trey Lance

439
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: conglomerate that just keeps going that nobody wants to buy

440
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Speaker 3: into that. You know, he's not a rhythm thrower. And

441
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Speaker 3: I don't understand how brock Purdy isn't like Kurt Warner

442
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: or a great success story. But for some reason, nobody

443
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Speaker 3: wants to acknowledge brock perty except for the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 1: I think the moment you don't get drafted high, especially

445
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Speaker 1: way down, you know, in the fifth, sixth, seventh round,

446
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Speaker 1: no one wants to embrace you. People forget People talk

447
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 1: Brady early, well, early on in his career. Remember he

448
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: was not as good as Peyton, even though it was

449
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Speaker 1: pretty clear early like the guy was pretty good. You know,

450
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Speaker 1: if Trey Lance had done what Brock Perdy did his

451
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Speaker 1: first couple of years, we'd be talking about him like

452
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Speaker 1: the next John Elway.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, we'd be'd be it'd be a would be.

454
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Speaker 3: It would be tim t go nausea. It would be

455
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Speaker 3: over the top, I mean, you know, I mean it

456
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Speaker 3: would be brutal. We'd have to read about it every

457
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 3: single day, just like we have to read about that

458
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Speaker 3: Miami signed Odell Beckham and Stefan Diggs is in Houston,

459
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Speaker 3: like they're getting the career. They're getting two players that

460
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Speaker 3: you know, we don't turn the clock back. We just

461
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Speaker 3: think they're still great.

462
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Speaker 1: Jordan Love. You know, the second half of the season,

463
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Speaker 1: it's hard. You watch them, You're like, holy shit. But

464
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Speaker 1: from a financial standpoint, my take has always been I

465
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Speaker 1: would play it another couple of months. I'd have no

466
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Speaker 1: problem extending him during the season, but I'd like to

467
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Speaker 1: see a little more before we just give some enormous

468
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Speaker 1: contract on a really really short body of work. What

469
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Speaker 1: would be your approach if you were running the Packers

470
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Speaker 1: when it came to because you might be able to

471
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Speaker 1: get him on quote unquote a little discount if you

472
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Speaker 1: threw a lot of money on him, But if it

473
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Speaker 1: didn't go well and he took a step back, you'd

474
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Speaker 1: be in a little trouble.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, you have him this year, and you

476
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Speaker 3: got the franchise tech next year, so you have him

477
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Speaker 3: for two years at you know, whatever number you want

478
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Speaker 3: them at, right, So you got them at this year

479
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 3: because they redid the they redid the fifth year, and

480
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Speaker 3: then you then you have the franchise number. And let's

481
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Speaker 3: be clear. You know, if Golf's getting fifty three million,

482
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Speaker 3: you know, then what's Prescott going to get? You know

483
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Speaker 3: what is you know what what's the next guy in

484
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Speaker 3: line going to get?

485
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Speaker 1: You know?

486
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Speaker 3: And well Purty, you know all of them. I Purty's

487
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Speaker 3: got two more years that he can't touch his contract,

488
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Speaker 3: you know, so he got two more years. Plus they

489
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Speaker 3: have a franchise number they can get Purty. So they

490
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Speaker 3: got essentially three years built in there to get a contract.

491
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Speaker 3: And it's only going to go up. But look, let's

492
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Speaker 3: face it, the revenue streams are going up too. I

493
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Speaker 3: think I would be rather patient, but I see enough

494
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Speaker 3: of love that you believe that he's going to be

495
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Speaker 3: a good player. I don't think it's about the scoreboard.

496
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Speaker 3: I think it's about really, if you're Brian Guducus, is

497
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Speaker 3: you want to be able to see one of the

498
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Speaker 3: Walls quotes, which is the second year the players in

499
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Speaker 3: the system, he becomes better, That's what Mikyler Murray, Right,

500
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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray's second year, he didn't really get better. He

501
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Speaker 3: had the really good beat where he's running around making

502
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Speaker 3: a lot of plays on loose plays. But once people

503
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Speaker 3: started to rush him the right way where they didn't

504
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Speaker 3: let their ends run up the field, where they closed

505
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Speaker 3: the pocket down, they forced him to his left if

506
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Speaker 3: he had to get out, then all of a sudden

507
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Speaker 3: he wasn't the same player. And so I think what

508
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Speaker 3: you want to see is is what steps the love

509
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Speaker 3: take the second year is in the system. And once

510
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Speaker 3: you see that, then I don't think you should hold back.

511
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Speaker 3: You should go.

512
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Speaker 1: Okay, a couple of things on the draft, do you

513
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Speaker 1: think the Patriots? Clearly they you know, we're very dead

514
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Speaker 1: set on taking a quarterback. But we're even more validated

515
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Speaker 1: when Brian Davel, who worked with Josh Allen and then

516
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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell both really wanted Drake May that it's you

517
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Speaker 1: can't make that move as a personnel guy if you

518
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Speaker 1: already liked the guy, and those are the two guys

519
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: that really like your guy as well, it's a no brainer.

520
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Speaker 1: You just sick there, no matter that. I mean, you're

521
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Speaker 1: getting offered eleven twenty three in the future one that

522
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Speaker 1: is a lot.

523
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Speaker 3: It is, but you know, now the Giants claim, and

524
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 3: they were trying to trade up to get Joe all

525
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 3: I mean, but then they made no attempt to trade

526
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Speaker 3: with the Cardinals to get it. It's unbelievable, like they think

527
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 3: we're actually stupid. You know. Look, I think they were

528
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 3: going to pick them, whether Brian liked him or not.

529
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Speaker 3: I think that if you know Elliott and you know

530
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Speaker 3: his background, size, speed, you know those are the things.

531
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Speaker 3: I mean, May's and tangibles, he'll work hard. You know.

532
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Speaker 3: Sometimes the job of a scout is to see what

533
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Speaker 3: other people don't. And if you just grade production, then

534
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: that's one thing, but you have to be able to

535
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: see and visualize something moving forward. And I didn't see

536
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: maybe what Elliott saw as deeply in May where Brian did,

537
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 3: or Dave Ball did, or Kevin O'Connell did. But I

538
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: think to me that was going to be to pick

539
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: no matter if they wanted them or not. There was

540
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Speaker 3: no way they could trade that. There wasn't an The

541
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: alternative would have been McCarthy, and they had no way

542
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Speaker 3: of knowing they could get McCarthy. You end up being

543
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Speaker 3: like a boat out at sea and you without accomplish

544
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: you don't know if you can get back so let's

545
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Speaker 3: hypothetically say they went to eleven. Right now, you know

546
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: that nobody had any thought that Atlanta was going to

547
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Speaker 3: take Pennox at eight, and so now you're trying to

548
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: get back to get you what happens if you come

549
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: out of there with all these picks and no quarterback?

550
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: Where are you?

551
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Speaker 1: Did you see the clip going viral of Jade Daniels

552
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: and Drake May both throwing basically the same seam route

553
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: and Jaden's ball was almost in the guy's hands before

554
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: Drake because of his loopy release, kind of got rid

555
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Speaker 1: of it. And it's just and I'm all four taking

556
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: a big swing on a project, but now you have

557
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: the project and kind of have to fix it. I

558
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: mean part of Josh Allen the project or Patrick Mahomes

559
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: was then that period of time of developing them. And

560
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Speaker 1: you look at the Patriots you go, well, new regime.

561
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Speaker 1: This coach was doing media five years ago. He's a

562
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: linebacker seven years ago. I mean, it's this is going

563
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: to be a big, big time challenge for that organization

564
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: with this player, is it not?

565
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Speaker 3: Well? The other thing is too, is you know when

566
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Speaker 3: you bring Patrick Mahomes into it, right, you knew that

567
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Speaker 3: Andy Reid was going to be the guy that was

568
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: detailing the player development of Patrick Mahomes. But in New England,

569
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Speaker 3: the detailed player development is coming from Alex van Pelt

570
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: and what happens see, I don't think we asked this

571
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Speaker 3: question enough. What has to be true for this to

572
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Speaker 3: be for this to be successful, what has to be

573
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Speaker 3: true for Drake may to be a great player. And

574
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Speaker 3: part of what has to be true is Alex van

575
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Speaker 3: Pelt has to do a really good job of development

576
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: in this fundamentals, techniques and getting him groved into the offense.

577
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: That has to be true, because if he doesn't, then

578
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: he's going to be all over the board. That's the challenge,

579
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Speaker 3: right And so because Mayo doesn't coach offense, defense, or

580
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Speaker 3: the kicking game, that he just is basically in charge

581
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Speaker 3: of the team. You could potentially see a new offensive

582
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Speaker 3: coordinator if things don't go well in a year or two,

583
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Speaker 3: and now where are you? And now you're changing things again.

584
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Speaker 3: That's why player development is so reliant upon who the

585
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Speaker 3: head coaches and what the systems are. And when you're

586
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Speaker 3: high hiring coaches to put their system in and the

587
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: organization doesn't have one. Then you you have a lot

588
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Speaker 3: of propensity to make mistakes.

589
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Speaker 1: I thought one of the most laughable pre draft kind

590
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Speaker 1: of conversations was the Chargers taking a wide receiver. It's like,

591
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Speaker 1: have any of you guys watched this guy operate for

592
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Speaker 1: fifteen years, Larry? He might have passed on Larry Fitzgerald

593
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Speaker 1: or Calvin Johnson if they were there, if he thought

594
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Speaker 1: the offensive lineman was good enough, especially in this wide

595
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Speaker 1: receiver class. I just don't think Pete like we've all

596
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Speaker 1: watched him win big without superstar wide. When's the last

597
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: time Michigan had a star wide receiver?

598
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Speaker 3: Right?

599
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Speaker 1: Well, he won to San Francisco with fifty year old

600
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Speaker 1: Randy Moss.

601
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Speaker 3: Look, Bill Wall said, the last position he checked on

602
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Speaker 3: your team as the wide receiver position. He's in the

603
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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Has that changed a little bit though, you think?

605
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's changed at all. I mean,

606
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Speaker 3: look at look at green Bay. Look at green Bay.

607
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: Who's got a better receiving core than green Bay has?

608
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Speaker 3: I mean, think about it. You know everybody says, well

609
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Speaker 3: the quarterback, you know, the receivers make the quarterback. Green

610
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Speaker 3: Bayed receiver room, that's pretty freaking good, you know, and

611
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Speaker 3: so they're the least amount of money spent on wide

612
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Speaker 3: receivers in the league. You know, they don't seem to

613
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: have a problem throwing the football. I don't think it's

614
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Speaker 3: changed at all. I think it's re enhanced itself because

615
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: the offensive lineman is so critical. Look, everybody sits there

616
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: and says, you know, the receiver makes the quarterback. Now.

617
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: I know Armont he was a fifth round pick. He

618
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: got paid a lot of money. But you know, you

619
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Speaker 3: tell me how great the receivers are on Detroit. They're good.

620
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Speaker 3: Hockinson's good. I mean, they're good. They got players, don't

621
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Speaker 3: get me wrong. But the reality of the situation is

622
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Speaker 3: is that they are. I mean, the floor more tightlport

623
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Speaker 3: that they get you know, they get open, they make plays,

624
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Speaker 3: the golf gets them the ball. I don't think it's changed.

625
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: I mean, look again, if you're Chicago and you can't

626
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: protect Caleb Williams, if he's going to get hit and

627
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: you're an eleven, I don't understand it. But look, you

628
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: get applauded if you take a wide receiver today. Because

629
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Speaker 3: most of the people doing the clapping are Madden fans.

630
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: They want to play in their it's a Madden game

631
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: when the game is won by the teams that can

632
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: win the line. I mean, Kansas City's traded Tyreek Hill.

633
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: They've won two Super Bowls. Nobody talks about it. I

634
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: mean people are talking about Kansas City is going to

635
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: go back and they're going to win another super Bowl

636
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: and like they act like, oh, well they got this

637
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: great receiving room. No they don't. They got Patrick Mahomes.

638
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: That's the receiving room.

639
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Speaker 1: People ask me a lot, is there anything with the

640
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: Rice situation that the Chiefs could have done? And I said, well,

641
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: this isn't college. The moment the season ends, you got

642
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: some time. And this goes back to the draft where

643
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: you got to feel comfortable with the player. It's not

644
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Speaker 1: like they can hold his hand in March, April and

645
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: even early May if he's not around the facility. What's

646
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: your thoughts on just that situation. When you get a

647
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: player with some question marks in the past, the moment

648
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: the season ends, you kind of just hold onto your ass.

649
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: Well, they been lucky with this John, They've been really

650
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: lucky with it. They take Tyreek Kill when he was

651
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 3: on nobody's board. I mean, maybe he might have been

652
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: on Reggie McKenzie's board at the Raiders. I think that

653
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: was the only other team he was on their board.

654
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: Because of his behavior at Oklahoma State got thrown out.

655
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: He couldn't get roll an accron, couldn't enroll at West Alabama,

656
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: but he got drafted by the Chiefs. You know, Kelsey

657
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: had some issues in terms of off the field, which

658
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: obviously were wrong, but they took him in the third round, right,

659
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 3: you know, And they've been able Chris Jones. The only

660
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: reason he's the second round pick is because some people

661
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: thought he wasn't a hard you know, all the things

662
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: off the field. They've been very fortunate of how they've

663
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: built their team of managing this and it's a credit

664
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: to them. And so you know, whatever Rice is within

665
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: his background was probably there at SMU, and they chose

666
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: that they felt that they could deal with it. Now,

667
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: you know, if they don't have Rice, I mean they

668
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: take Tony and give up a draft pick. Now Tony,

669
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: you know, Tony's a guy that again, does he love football?

670
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: Is he going to make their rooms? So now you've

671
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: got Hollywood as their receiver, and you got Worthy, who's

672
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty pounds. Is he going to be

673
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: a full time player? And he got Kelsey at thirty

674
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: six years old. You tell me that receiving room is

675
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: really good. Hollywood. Brown's always been talked about as being

676
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: a number one guy, but he's never produced that way

677
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: at all.

678
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: I think they are a defensive team, now, right.

679
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, That's exactly right they are. And

680
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 3: that's the point of this conversation is is that they've

681
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 3: changed who they are. They're going to win up front.

682
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: You know, they have a huge, huge question market left tackle,

683
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 3: but they're going to get Pajeco more. I mean, Pachecko

684
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 3: was carrying about seven more times in the playoffs. After

685
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 3: the Christmas Day game, Pacheco's load management increased by seven

686
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: carries a game compared to earlier in the year.

687
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: Locker room dynamics. I know something you being around Bill

688
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: Forever talked a lot about something that Falcons clearly didn't value.

689
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: And Bill, we've all talked a lot about the Cousin

690
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: situation from a financial standpoint, but from a locker room standpoint,

691
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: he can't practice in OTAs. Who's out there taking the

692
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: reps with a bunch of young, impressionable offensive skill guys Pennix.

693
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: Pennix is not some project. He's like a six year

694
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: starter in college football. The locker room dynamics and cousins,

695
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: the high character guy who's historically a little sensitive. Doesn't

696
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: this have the chance to get really weird, really fast internally,

697
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: no matter what Raheem Morris can do to talk to

698
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: the guys.

699
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think to me, it's about the quarterbacks.

700
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: Personality has to come out in the team. It's in

701
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: Kansas City, it's in Cincinnati, it's in Buffalo, right, and

702
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: so you know, I think there's no question that it's

703
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: hard to have two leaders. I mean, Walsh did this

704
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 3: in San Francisco. Remember he rotated Steve Young and Joe Montana,

705
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: and finally Ronnie Lott went to him and said, Bill,

706
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: we need a starter, we need one guy, we need

707
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: to know who were counting on. And he went with

708
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: Montana and he trained him after the next season. So yeah,

709
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: this never has worked having two quarterbacks. And no matter,

710
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 3: everybody thinks the second quarterbacks than the first, and most

711
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: arenas I mean, you know, I'm sure, I'm sure you

712
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: know the backup quarterback is probably most people at the

713
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 3: Giants think Tommy of the Veto might be better than

714
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 3: py Dot Daniel Jones. I don't, but I'm just saying that,

715
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: you know there could be. So you just created a

716
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: situation and then you didn't have It's two years in

717
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: a row. Now you don't help your defense at all. Like,

718
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: are you watching the NFL? Are you watching the NFL?

719
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 3: Do you study the NFL to understand what wins games?

720
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: You know? Forget about you know, you draft a running

721
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: back who's a really good player, but you had you

722
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: had Algier there average five yards of character. You didn't

723
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: need another running back. Now, I'm sure they're gonna blame

724
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: Arthur Smith for this, but the reality of it this

725
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: is you passed a legitimately great three technique, a legitimately

726
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: great three technique Jalen Carter. Now you live right down

727
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: the street from them. If you don't, if you didn't

728
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: like his character, because you know more about that anybody. Okay,

729
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: maybe that's the case, but I'm not sure that that is.

730
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: And then this year you pass you know, you passed

731
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: off to where you passed Byron Murphy. I mean those

732
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 3: are two legitimate defensive front guys. So now you're saying

733
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 3: you're twenty ninth in the National Football League and forcing

734
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: turnovers last year, and you're just one player away. Kirk

735
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: Cousins is going to fix all that for you, and

736
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 3: you take Michael Pennix. I mean, where's the team building here?

737
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: You know, the Jets and the Giants have been mainly

738
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: terrible for the last decade plus. Obviously, John Marr is

739
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: an impressive guy, but it's safe to say he got

740
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: pretty heavily involved when it came to Daniel Jones. There

741
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: was a story recently about the Jets wanted to hire

742
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: a guy over Nathaniel Hackett. To me, a coach or GM,

743
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: if you want a new offensive coordinator, you would just

744
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: fire your offensive coordinator hire a guy that feels like

745
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: a Woody Johnson problem. Do you think the New York

746
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: teams have an owner meddaling issue right now?

747
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: Well, I think the Jets clearly do. I mean when

748
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 3: he came when Woody Johnson came out and said that,

749
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 3: you know, we're about trading Zach Wilson and he had

750
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: comments on all that, Yeah, I do. I think they have.

751
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 3: The Jets are different in the sense that they were

752
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: trying to manage a problem. They're trying to make everybody happy.

753
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: They were trying to make their offense happy by hiring

754
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: somebody over Aaron over over Nathaniel Hackett. But but make

755
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: Aaron Rogers happy, why not fire Nathaniel Hackett? And you can't.

756
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: Nobody gets made happy anywhere. The Giants, I think have

757
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: just been John has run the team. I've been saying

758
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: this forever. And I like John. John's a really nice man,

759
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: a genuinely nice human being. But I think it's a

760
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: family run business, and I think they have a hard

761
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: time of being objective about what they're doing, and they

762
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 3: fall in love with players. And when they gave Daniel

763
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: Jones that money last year for no reason other than

764
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: the vindication of that they drafted them sixth overall, was

765
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: a mistake. I mean, if you go back and ask

766
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 3: one simple question, why do we win and why do

767
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 3: we lose? The Giants when they went to the playoffs

768
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 3: didn't win because Daniel Jones was good. They won because

769
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: they managed the game. They won in three dimensions. They

770
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 3: played good offense and defense, cookicking get but he didn't

771
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 3: carry the team. He didn't carry the team whatsoever. And

772
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: who was going to sign him to that contract anyway?

773
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: Who were you competing against nobody. I think if they

774
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: got a redo, you would have to give Saquon Barkley

775
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: an extension because the running backs make such little money.

776
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: It might have been thirty five million guaranteed franchise Daniel

777
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: Jones and you would have been off it this year,

778
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: and you would have still had the dynamic player at

779
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: a relatively cheap price because of the you know, the

780
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: deflation in running back contracts, and be rid of Daniel

781
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: Jones instead. If you're stuck with this contract, I don't

782
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: know about you. My I think they're gonna be pretty bad.

783
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're going to really struggle. They

784
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback.

785
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: You and I both know that. You know, somebody's going

786
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: to have a high pick next year, right, I mean

787
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: not everybody's going ten and seven. Somebody's going to be bad.

788
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 3: And look when you go through it. I had this

789
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: in my notes here. You know, when you go through

790
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: all the quarterback in the you know, when you look

791
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: at Daniel Jones's inability to throw the ball down the field,

792
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: which has been horrible. Right, He's never averaged John, He's

793
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 3: never averaged over over seven yards per tent in his career.

794
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: He's never averaged over seven yards per attempt in his career.

795
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 3: So you're asking a he doesn't throw the ball down

796
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: the field, and there's a thousand reasons why he can't

797
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: throw the ball down the field. But you can't win

798
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: with a quarterback who won't throw the ball. It's one

799
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 3: of my biggest concerns that I was a huge, huge

800
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: I was a huge Trevor Lawrence fan. But Lawrence doesn't

801
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 3: throw the ball up the field either. It's a huge concern.

802
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: But one of the things is Lawrence Sharp put this

803
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 3: out and you know this is based off of clutch

804
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: quarterbacks with the last five minutes since two thousand, okay,

805
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: and you have to have at least forty five minimum

806
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: attempts in this category. And when you go through it,

807
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: I mean, Daniel Jones is forty second out of fifty six.

808
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: Davis Mills is actually ahead of them, Mac Jones is

809
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 3: ahead of them. You know, Mike Glennon, Andy Dalton's ahead

810
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: of him, Carson Wentz is ahead of him, Kenny Pickett's

811
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: actually ahead of him. So, like, I don't understand how

812
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: anybody thinks that this guy is going to be good

813
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: and that he's coming off of a neck injury. I

814
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 3: think it's a problem. I don't think they're good either.

815
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: I think they're changing what they're doing defensively. They want

816
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: to play Tampa, they want to play Ben, but don't break.

817
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 3: They're going to be trying to stay within the game

818
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: and not blitz and do all that. Okay, but at

819
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: some point you want to get off the field. You

820
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: got to play Manda Mann and you got to have

821
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: the past.

822
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: Totally agree. I went back and look at some clips

823
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: of bow Knicks the other day, and I was around

824
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: Derek for a little bit at Fresno State, and obviously

825
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: when Jimmy came out watched some of his college stuff.

826
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: I see some similarities with those two guys. And historically

827
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: that type player usually went somewhere between thirty and fifty,

828
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: kind of in that range. In this new world we

829
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: live in, he ends up going in the top fifteen.

830
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: But why can't that work? Well, why wouldn't he work

831
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: with Sean Payton When you look at some of these guys,

832
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Jayden Daniels is going to a defensive head

833
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: coach with Cliff Kingsberry, who I know he gets a

834
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: lot of hype. It seems like a nice guy, but

835
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: he's not really my style of offensive coordinator. He's got

836
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: Drake May going to a defensive head coach, even Caleb

837
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: Williams going to a defensive head coach. This guy gets

838
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: to go to Sean Payton and his skill set, accuracy, timing,

839
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: getting rid of the ball. Actually came away thinking everyone's

840
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: talking a bunch of crap about this pick. I'm like,

841
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: I actually think it might have a chance to have

842
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: a little success.

843
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: Well, I have faith in Sean Payton. He's developing the player. Again,

844
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: it goes back to who's developing the player, and that's

845
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: the critical component of this whole conversation is who is

846
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: doing that and Sean's going to do what's right for

847
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: the offense, what's right for the quarterback. One of the

848
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: things people don't understand about Shawn's offense is what he

849
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: couldn't get Russell to do is to he programs it.

850
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: So the quarterback is I don't want to call him robotic,

851
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: but there's a level of roboticness into play. You move

852
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 3: your feet to this area, you throw the ball here.

853
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: Everything his feet armed coordinated, which is what bo Nix

854
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: was really good at doing. You could see it in

855
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: Orgitate his feet and his arm were tied together. And

856
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: so because of it, you know, Sean's going to call

857
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: the game and so that he sets him up for success,

858
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 3: and I think it will work. Look, I think what

859
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: the biggest misconception is is every you know, every when

860
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 3: you say a quarterback has to be managed, you know

861
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: that that's like a knock. It's not every quarterback with

862
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 3: the even Patrick Mahomes at time last year turned the

863
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: ball over Wight too much. They cut back on that.

864
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: You got to run the right system for the player

865
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 3: to enhance his skill set, you know, and then the

866
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: player looks better. You know, look at GOFF and the

867
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 3: Detroit system, where that when GoF was playing in the

868
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: RAMS system. What's the difference between Golf and Detroit and

869
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 3: GOFF in Los Angeles? The line in Detroit go If

870
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: GoF gets hit earlier in a game, it ain't going

871
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 3: to be good. Whether you pay them fifty three million

872
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 3: or whether you pay them thirteen million. You got to

873
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: protect GoF. You got to protect GoF, and you got

874
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: to give golf and you've got to protect golf, and

875
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: you've got to give them answers. And if the and

876
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 3: where the rams were spending money, that line started to

877
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: fall apart, and when they didn't have that, you know,

878
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: he started getting hit and you know that bothered him.

879
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you out of it here on this.

880
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: I get asked a lot by young people, as I'm

881
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: sure you do just just career advice, just big picture stuff.

882
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: And you've had a lot of success in your career.

883
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: You've been around arguably the most successful people in the

884
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: history of the NFL. Your sons are working at a

885
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: high level, you know, And my take always is the

886
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: faster you can do what you're passionate about, because you're

887
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: going to have to work to be successful at whatever

888
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: a lot. So it's so much easier to work when

889
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: you enjoy what you're doing, because eventually work becomes work.

890
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: When people ask like, hey, I'm young, I'm not quite

891
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: sure I want to work in football, or you know,

892
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: I don't really love my job, I what's just a good,

893
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: just big picture advice you try to give to younger

894
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: people trying to make their way in this crazy world.

895
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: So find your passion early, don't worry about making money,

896
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: and remember that wisdom doesn't come from experience, It comes

897
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 3: from learning and education and become an educated football person

898
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 3: and study the game, study the history of the game,

899
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: learn the game from all levels, not just from one

900
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: point of view. And you've got to keep learning the

901
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: game every single day because if you don't, it's going

902
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: to passion. And I think that's really what it comes

903
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: down to. I think you have to be willing to

904
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: sacrifice short term money for long term gain.

905
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: Do you think that's a similarity that most successful people have.

906
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: They're not as consumed young with money. It's about the

907
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: big picture.

908
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: You've got to have a passion, right Like, you've got

909
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 3: to believe in what you're doing. You got to love

910
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: it because you're you know, like you're to go to

911
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: work and it's not going to be fun some days

912
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: where you know, because you'll lose it because of the

913
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: outside noise. It's not because it's not fun to listen

914
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 3: to the outside noise. The people that have no idea

915
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 3: what they're talking about that they have all these opinions.

916
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: Last time I talked to Coward was when the schedule

917
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: release came out and he looked at the Steelers schedule

918
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: and he basically welcomed Mike Tomlin to the broadcasting Booth

919
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: because he thinks it's going to be a difficult season

920
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: for the Steelers when you look at their schedule. Now,

921
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far, not because I don't think

922
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, if he left Pittsburgh got fired, would be

923
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: not a good broadcaster. Obviously, everyone would be lined up

924
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: for his services because I think other teams would be

925
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: lined up to hire them. And I think if he

926
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: chose to stay in football, if this season went poorly

927
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: and the Steelers, which never move on from code, chose

928
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: to do that, he'd get another job. In a New

929
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: York minute, some people have commented, don't worry Tomlin is

930
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: a lock to win nine games, not any less, and

931
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: not anymore. Here's what I think, though, because their quarterback

932
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: situation in the last couple of years was a joke,

933
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: and it's tough to transition from a legendary player like Roethlisberger.

934
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: Look at the Falcons. They went through it, The Colts

935
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: went through it when Andrew Luck kind of suddenly retired.

936
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: It's not easy to replace that player that situation. You

937
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: can get stuck in no man's land very quickly. And

938
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: they made a draft pick, which obviously they regretted taking

939
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett with a twentieth pick, who that year we

940
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: just had six quarterbacks going the top twelve. Kenny Pickett

941
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: was the first quarterback off the board. So when you

942
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: factor in quarterback inflation, if you're gonna go twenty, you know,

943
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: five ten, twenty years ago, that guy's going potentially like

944
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: third round, which I thought that was his level of play.

945
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: And he is currently the backup on the Philadelphia Eagles.

946
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: But I gave them credit because they had to kind

947
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: of swing for the fences and they were able to

948
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: do it in a very cheap manner. They're paying Russell

949
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: Wilson a million dollars a year. They traded a six

950
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: round pick for Justin Fields. Now, part of getting Russell

951
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: Wilson's services was essentially Mike Tomlin telling him he was

952
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback. It's not a binding agreement, and we'll

953
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: get into one of those when it comes to the

954
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: nil situation, which many are not either. It's just works,

955
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: and anyone that has functioned in any industry that gets

956
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: a promise from a boss, from a partner, from someone

957
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: you are trying to lock up, if you're a sales guy,

958
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: knows it's meaningless. It does not matter. And I have

959
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: said this over and over that Russell Wilson has zero

960
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: equity with the franchise if they start poor, if he's

961
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: dinking and dunking, if he doesn't play well in training camp,

962
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: the conversations will immediately start. And Justin Fields today was

963
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: interviewed in the locker room and he essentially said, I

964
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: don't plan on sitting on the bench all season. I

965
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: don't plan on holding a clipboard. Those weren't his exact words,

966
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: but he views this as a competition, as he should

967
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: because the opportunity is there. And I've said all along

968
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: the NFL, probably more than any other league, is the

969
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: power of the fan base because when you're not playing well,

970
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: they get very loud in the stadium. Obviously they are

971
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: constantly calling into the local radio station, the newspaper reporters.

972
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: Is not the NBA where everyone holds your hand. They

973
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: will destroy you. And that's where the owners listen. That's

974
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: what the owners watch. So they don't want to watch

975
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: poor play, especially with someone they haven't invested much in.

976
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: Because when you're an owner and you pay a guy

977
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: a lot of money, like Arthur Blank's gonna want to

978
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: watch Kirk Cousins play why he just gave him a

979
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. He gave him like a fifty million

980
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: dollar bonus, Like that money already went into his account,

981
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: So I want to see what I just paid for.

982
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: But the Steelers are paying Russell Wilson nothing, and these

983
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: last three years have not gone well. I don't give

984
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: a shit what his stats say, what he used to be,

985
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: He's nowhere near that guy anymore. And now he comes

986
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,959
Speaker 1: to a place where making the playoffs is something they've

987
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: been doing for forty years, but not winning any playoff

988
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: games is a problem. They play and arguably win healthy

989
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: the best division in football, and I think Russell Wilson

990
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: is in trouble from the jump. Not because I think

991
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: Justin Fields is that great a player. He has not

992
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: been yet, but there's an unknown there, Like we know

993
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: what Russell is now gives you twenty five touchdowns, Dinxon

994
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: dunks and he lose a lot of games. He's not

995
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: He hasn't been a winning player now for a while.

996
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he can't get back to that guy. But

997
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: history would say usually when you fall off a cliff,

998
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: you don't come storming back. And if I'm justin fields,

999
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: I go with this, with this mindset in OTAs, in

1000
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: training camp, I plan on starting week one. Now, obviously

1001
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to show it in practice, You're gonna

1002
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: have to show it in these preseason games. But there

1003
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: are things he can do that the other guy just

1004
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,959
Speaker 1: cannot do. And because of the unknown, like what if

1005
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith, what if our offense, what if our culture

1006
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: can change this guy, I'd rather see this than that.

1007
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 1: So Russell Wilson was going to start obviously in Seattle,

1008
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: but when they traded him in Denver because of the contract,

1009
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: he was basically on scholarship. That's what these massive quarterback

1010
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: contracts essentially are. So I'm very hesitant with Trevor Lawrence

1011
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: or Tua, like, be careful before you sign one of

1012
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: these deals because you're all in and most coaches and

1013
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: teams front offices don't have the juice Sean Payton does

1014
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: to be like just get rid of him. Now, Sean

1015
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: was lucky he didn't sign that contract, like it wasn't

1016
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: his idea, so it was easy for him to be like,

1017
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: we got to get out of this business. But honors

1018
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: don't like doing that. It happens never right, Matt Ryan.

1019
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: They ate a bunch of money that was a disaster.

1020
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: If this Russell Wilson situation financially is a disaster for Denver,

1021
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: but there is no disaster here with Russell Wilson because

1022
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: they're not on the hook for anything. So Justin Fields

1023
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: to me, we're gonna see him this year. I just

1024
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: think the question is when. And I think all eyes

1025
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: are on Russell Wilson right his ability in training camp,

1026
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: when the bullets start flying in the practices, in the

1027
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: preseason games and early on in the season, like they

1028
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: start zero and two, like yeah, put Justin Fields in like,

1029
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: I think it will be that quick. And that has

1030
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: never been the case for this player because he's never

1031
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: been in this situation. And the moment you start moving

1032
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: around teams you have is less and less. So I

1033
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: think the situation is something worth monitoring. It's gonna be

1034
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: a story that we talk about because this guy's scholarship

1035
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: is over and now the competition. Mike Tomlins said a

1036
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: lot of things and then he's pivoted, so I think

1037
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 1: his words mean little to nothing in terms of Russell

1038
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: Wilson feeling safe or and Justin Fields knows it, like

1039
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: he knows coming in and the other thing, he's gonna

1040
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: have the opportunity, like he gets to practice against this

1041
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: guy every day in drills. They rotate in and out

1042
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: and you can make an impression because both of you

1043
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: come in with the same slate. Russell's resume is much longer.

1044
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: But in the NFL, no one gives a shit about that.

1045
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: What have you done for me lately? Aaron Rodgers said

1046
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: it today. He said, essentially, if we don't play well,

1047
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: if I don't play well, we're all out of here.

1048
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the most relatable things about

1049
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: the NFL. If in our jobs we don't produce, you're fired.

1050
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: Like it's pretty period, point blank, end of story for

1051
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: most of our roles. If you're a sales guy, if

1052
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: you're a podcaster, if you're a real estate like, you

1053
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: will go up. You will not make any money. And

1054
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: most people are at will employees and they can be

1055
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: thrown to the curb at any moment. It's part of

1056
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: the setup of our society and these other sports no

1057
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: longer have that. In baseball, when you sign a long

1058
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: term contract. In the NBA, when you sign a long

1059
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: term contract, that money is coming no matter what. That's

1060
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: why guys don't get cut in those sports. In the NFL,

1061
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: if you suck, no matter what your name is, you're discarded,

1062
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: you're benched, and people lose their job. Coaches have to win,

1063
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: players have to play well. I mean, it's just it's

1064
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: just a simple fact. And I think you feel it

1065
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: with the Steelers right There is tangible pressure on this

1066
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: organization this year. And I said last year, listen, I

1067
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: don't think Mike Tomlin's a bad coach. I think sometimes

1068
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 1: it's okay for a change. Ask Andy Reid what being

1069
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: fired and changing organizations meant for his career. Change the

1070
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: way everyone looked at him. Now he's viewed as like

1071
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: the chubby Bill Walsh. He became a living legend and

1072
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: he was a damn good coach for Philly. But this

1073
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: Chiefs run hell. What he was doing with Alex Smith

1074
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: let alone. When he got Patrick Mahomes changed the conversation

1075
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: around him. Mike Tomlin like, getting fired is not the

1076
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: worst thing, but he knows it. And I think they

1077
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: could have made a change last year. They didn't. They're

1078
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: very loyal organization. But I'd be stunned if they win

1079
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: eight or nine games and The reason is not that

1080
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: they can't win eight or nine games, but if they

1081
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: just do the same thing over and over, it's like,

1082
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: what's the point of all this? And I think when

1083
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: you look at him, he is not going to have

1084
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: a long leash with this quarterback. Look at Arthur Smith

1085
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: when he first got became was working with the Titans

1086
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: and became the coordinator. Like, they went through a pretty

1087
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: quick transition. They were loyal to Mariota and then Boom

1088
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: benched to Ryan Tannehill and it changed the trajectory of

1089
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: all those guys in Tennessee, including Arthur Smith's career. So

1090
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta kind of swing for the fences. And

1091
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: that's ultimately what justin Fields is because I think, simply put,

1092
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: what Russell Wilson has been in recent you know years,

1093
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: is just not going to be good enough. It's just

1094
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: that simple. Let's start in Santa Clara, a place I've

1095
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: been many a time to watch the forty nine ers practice.

1096
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: And one thing I know pretty well when it comes

1097
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: to the forty nine ers and No Parrague a little bit.

1098
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: The guy that manages the money have a pretty good

1099
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: sense of the way John and Kyle operate. They drive

1100
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: a hard bargain. They are usually not the team to

1101
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: just hand out the money March fifteenth with their own

1102
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: guys when they have a high price player. Unless you're

1103
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: willing to essentially give a bargain, it's going to be

1104
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: a knockdown, drag out. Now, that doesn't mean you're not

1105
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: going to get paid. Nick Bosa got a historic amount

1106
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: of money, but it went right up until the regular

1107
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: season started. Deebo Samuel had to do a hold in.

1108
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: He had literally just carried the team to the playoffs,

1109
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: took him to the NFC Championship game, and it was difficult.

1110
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: Trent Williams almost went to the Kansas City Chiefs, honestly,

1111
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: not sure where the forty nine ers would be if

1112
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: that would happen. All time sliding doors moment in the NFL,

1113
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs really needed Trent Williams, but that was tough.

1114
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: There was a sleepless night or two leading into opening

1115
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: a free agency that he was gonna go somewhere else,

1116
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: and they get a number and they stay and stand.

1117
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, I would say pretty confidently behind it that

1118
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: they don't play scared in these situations, and some teams

1119
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: are a little more aggressive because they go, well the

1120
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: future cap. It's not even being frugal because they'll end

1121
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: up giving the money. But it's not easy to get it.

1122
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: You got to work your agent earns that couple percent

1123
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: that he's making off the deal. It's gonna happen next

1124
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: year with brock Purty even if he fucking wins the MVP.

1125
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I've seen them operate now for a

1126
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: long long time, and this Brandon au contract is no different.

1127
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: He is not at practice like the Justin Jefferson things

1128
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: pretty easy. He wants a historic amount of money, probably

1129
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: not budget. They know they need him, he's the best

1130
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: player on the team. It's just you're talking a lot

1131
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: of money. The Auk thing is a difficult conversation. This

1132
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: is an offense that is never going to have a

1133
00:58:55,320 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: hundred catch guy. This is an offense that, while he

1134
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: very good, he is a winning player at the highest

1135
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: level on a on his best season is gonna catch

1136
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,479
Speaker 1: eighty five bowls. So he's I'm sure asking for twenty

1137
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: eight to thirty million dollars and that's a tough spot

1138
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: for them to be given his comps, no one producing

1139
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: at that level gets paid that. But he goes, I

1140
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: am this good of a player. Look at my yardage,

1141
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: look at my PFF grades, look at how much you

1142
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: value me. And this thing's gonna be a knockdown, drag out.

1143
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: I expect this thing. I would be stunned if this

1144
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: doesn't go into training camp, and I would expect this

1145
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: to go well through training camp. Now from just a

1146
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: pure football standpoint, like, I try to avoid this at

1147
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: all costs when I'm a team trying to win the

1148
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, like last year, Nick Bosa started really slow.

1149
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: Why because he hadn't been practicing. I don't care how

1150
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: high character, how hard you work, how much you love football,

1151
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: and I would put Bosa under that category because he

1152
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: came back just jacked. But it's not the same as

1153
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: being on the field going up against Trent Williams every day.

1154
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: Just like running routes next to Deebo Samuel, getting the

1155
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: ball thrown to you from brock Perty is not the

1156
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: same as running around with some former college quarterback throwing

1157
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: you the pill. It's some high school football field. So

1158
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: I understand the way the Niners operate like this, and

1159
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 1: it's been very successful to them, and the results speak

1160
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: for themselves. But this, this situation is just they're not going

1161
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: to trade them because you wouldn't trade them next year

1162
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: for a future pick. You need him now. But I

1163
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: expect this thing to drag out because that's what history

1164
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: would show me when it comes to these situations. The

1165
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: other thing is McCaffrey. Now, a lot of their guys,

1166
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, Fred Warner on the sideline, George Kittle on

1167
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: the sideline, Trent Williams never shows up to this. Don't

1168
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: blame him. Bosa did and usually he stays and works

1169
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: in Florida. But it's like, once I give you one

1170
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five million dollars to make you the

1171
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: highest paid non quarterback in the NFL, I just come around, buddy,

1172
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: and he did, and debo he Pryce scaredy was gonna

1173
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: get traded, comes back, slim down new number. Christian McCaffrey

1174
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: wasn't there now if you follow him on the old Instagram,

1175
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna get married in the near future to uh

1176
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: Olivia and good looking family. Not gonna lie both both

1177
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: those two really, And my first top thought was, wonder

1178
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: if he wants a little more money now. Mike Florio reported,

1179
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: According to sources, this has nothing to do with the contract.

1180
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 1: But when you look at his contract, he makes under

1181
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: twelve million dollars this year from the forty nine ers.

1182
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: His guaranteed money from that massive deal that he signed

1183
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: with the Carolina Panthers, which was ahead of its time,

1184
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: is gone now. If it's not obviously just personal, he's

1185
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: working out on his own, this is voluntary. If I

1186
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: am Christian McCaffrey, I go listen. I know running backs

1187
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 1: have struggled to get some money in recent years, and

1188
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: while wages are going up around the country and definitely

1189
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL, our wages have stagnated. And I was

1190
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: the first of my kind around fifteen ish million dollars.

1191
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: I was the highest paid running back in the league

1192
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: on a per year basis, actually being at sixteen million dollars.

1193
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: You guys had nothing to do with that. And what

1194
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: I've produced since I've been here speaks for itself. I'm

1195
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: not only one of the best players on this team.

1196
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: Bosa makes thirty plus Trent makes twenty and is underpaid,

1197
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: and me like, listen, I'm not asking for thirty, but

1198
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be crazy if Christian's like, hey,

1199
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: can we up this number a little bit? Can we

1200
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: just add some guaranteed money and yearly number, Like, I'm

1201
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: a twenty million dollar player. Easy when you factor in

1202
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: my importance to the team, my impact on the league,

1203
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: the way I play. I catch the ball and run

1204
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: the ball. I'm a dominant player, and I'm twenty six,

1205
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, like I'm not thirty two. And

1206
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: since I've been around you, like, durability has not been

1207
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: an issue. I have been one of the best trades

1208
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: this organization has ever made. Steve Young probably number one

1209
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: when you trade like a fourth round pick and some

1210
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: money for Steve Young. But in recent memory, I would

1211
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: say Christian McCaffrey's pretty high, So I don't think it's

1212
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: crazy whenever he does return to be like, hey, guys,

1213
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: we need to kind of get this contract right. And

1214
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: this is where these elite players have some juice, like

1215
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: Cam Hayward under contract, guys, I'm the team captain, right,

1216
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: Zach Martin last year, Like, hey, guys, I'm making fourteen

1217
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: I know I've signed a previous deal, but look at

1218
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: the landscape now. It's easy to be like, hey, for

1219
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,439
Speaker 1: normal people, shit, you're making one hundred and twenty grand. Well, yeah,

1220
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: that was sweet a couple of years ago. Now, the

1221
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: average person in my positions making two hundred harder for

1222
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: you to stomach. Or if you're making sixty grand and

1223
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: you've been making that for a couple of years, and

1224
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: then you look around, every other person in your position

1225
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: is now making ninety five. We're all human beings. Money's

1226
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: all relative. So yeah, eleven point eight million dollars is

1227
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: a shit ton of money. And McCaffrey has done very

1228
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: well for himself. But what would the forty nine ers

1229
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: pay if they had to keep him. I'll promise you this,

1230
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan would pay Christian McCaffrey before Brandon Ayuk and

1231
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: they would gladly give him twenty million dollars. Now we

1232
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: can argue giving a running back a third contract. I

1233
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: think he's pretty unique because of his ability as a

1234
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: wide receiver, Like on any given season, if you really

1235
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: want it, he'd catch eighty ninety balls, no problem. The

1236
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: durability thing definitely scares me, not even because of him.

1237
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: I think he's definitely changed his body over the last

1238
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: couple of years after he had the injury issues in Carolina.

1239
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: Is more of the coach. It's like, hey, Kyle you're

1240
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: up fifteen points in the fourth quarter, let's just stop

1241
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: giving these inside runs to Christian McCaffrey for three yards

1242
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: and having two defensive linemen land on him, Like this

1243
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: isn't nineteen eighty seven. But Kyle's like, give it to

1244
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: him again, Bertie. It's like, guys, can we use the

1245
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: backup running back to just take six to seven care

1246
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: he's in the second half, but that's not really how

1247
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: Kyle's operating. He's ran him into the ground. And don't

1248
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: totally blame him because he's so good, but when you

1249
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: got to lead in some of these games, like give

1250
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: him a breather. The last, but not least, on the

1251
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: Niners the last couple of years, they've had a shit

1252
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: show at quarterback.

1253
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 3: Right.

1254
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, they brought Jimmy Garoppolo as

1255
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: a backup. Trey Lance was the starter, even though he

1256
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: wasn't even the best quarterback on the team, but they

1257
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: had to do it because they invested everything into him.

1258
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: Then he got hurt, and then that situation ended the

1259
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: season with Perdy in well. Then Perdy gets injured, and

1260
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: last year, so much talk around the Niners was like,

1261
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: is perty really even if he comes back healthy, deserved

1262
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: the job. Shouldn't this be an open competition. It's like, guys,

1263
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: Trey's not even gonna beat out Sam Donald. The moment

1264
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: they signed Sam Donald, he was the backup, but there

1265
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: were questions whether Perdy's health, how his return would be

1266
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: from the elbow, which is fair Like anytime this Joe

1267
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: Burrow conversation, it's like, what's it going to look like,

1268
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: what's the first time you get injured? And now it's like,

1269
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: just brock Purty's a starting quarterback and he's completely healthy

1270
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: and he just gets to take all the reps like

1271
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: that's the healthiest spot to be in as a team. Obviously,

1272
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: he's a young player. He needs to continue to improve.

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Speaker 1: But you look around the league the best teams with

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Speaker 1: established quarterbacks, like it's just it's very quiet at that position,

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Speaker 1: like Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, right,

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, whoever, just get the reps in practice, they're

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Speaker 1: just the starting quarterback. And that's where the forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers are. For the first time in a long time,

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Speaker 1: the volume