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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Did you know that one

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Speaker 1: Why is that? Why is that? People look around you?

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Speaker 1: One in four women that you are seeing have been

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Speaker 1: been sex assaulted? Why because of people like Bowen Turner,

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Speaker 1: do with a jury, but I can do it to you.

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Speaker 1: Under the law, prosecutors are not allowed to ask the

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Speaker 1: jurors to put themselves in the place of the victim.

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Speaker 1: Think about it. Think about being pinned down and forcibly raped. Men,

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Speaker 1: you think about it too, Think about it. Hold that

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Speaker 1: This three six assaults is walking free. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Serious x M one eleven.

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Speaker 1: How much longer will this plague our country? It also

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Speaker 1: seems like too big of a problem to tackle. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, when the problem is too big to tackle,

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Speaker 1: what do you do? You do the first thing, one thing,

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Speaker 1: now with Bowen Turner. First of all, take a listen

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Speaker 1: to this. The father of Dallas Dollar says in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: against her classmate, sixteen year old Bowen Turner. Public records

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Speaker 1: sexual conduct in Bamberg County in January of twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: was back in twenty nineteen and it's still happening. Was

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Speaker 1: not the last victim. There's something about sex offenders. They

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Speaker 1: and over. Certain crimes cannot be rehabbed. Just trust me

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Speaker 1: you know how hard it is for a rape victim

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Speaker 1: This is Dallas Staller's father, and you can find him

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Speaker 1: at Justice for Alice dot WordPress dot com. I want

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Speaker 1: our other very special guests. Carl. When I hear your

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Speaker 1: Of course, the very first night, I nearly got thrown

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Speaker 1: South Carolina Victim Assistant Network. Why don't we say rape?

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Speaker 1: As you said, Nancy you know, one in four women,

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Speaker 1: Taking Back the Pen. Rachel, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: sex salt nurse examiner, Rachel, when you say you look

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Speaker 1: Why is this guy. And there's another minor, a minor

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Speaker 1: Isn't that true? Absolutely? Absolutely, And that's why on behalf

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Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Did they even ask you?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Okay? No, ma'am, not at all. And we

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Speaker 1: It's an injustice. It's amazing to me, Sarah Ford. You

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Speaker 1: We were noted bied last week, Nancy, that they were

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Speaker 1: probationary senate. So they just told you this is it.

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Speaker 1: his bond. Oh you know what, Sarah Ford, You are

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Speaker 1: so right. Take a listen to our cut three our

427
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: friends at wc SC. With Turner out on bond, the

428
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: months marched on. The victims and their families say they

429
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: attempted to navigate the judicial system while also tackling the

430
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: lingering trauma. There's not a day since this happened that

431
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: I have not woken up and thought about it. Dallas.

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00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: His family says, the trauma, the gossip and stress weighed

433
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: heavy on her even after high school until last fall.

434
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: We lost our sister on November fourteenth, and that changed everything. Now,

435
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: nearly four years after that first alleged assault, the Best

436
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: family has moved out of state, the Staller family has

437
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: lost Dallas, and Turner should have been awaiting trial at

438
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: his home with his GPS monitor, but court documents show

439
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: that's not been the case. To me, it's definitely a

440
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: slap in the face, isn't it true? Katie came and

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00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: joining us from line five that he was out on

442
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: bond for one rape when he raped Chloe. Yes, that

443
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: is what we found through court documents that that was

444
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: the case. And then when he was out on bond,

445
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: those court documents show that he was violating the conditions

446
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: of his bond dozens of times. I think potentially even

447
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: near fifty times. Break it down for me when you

448
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: say violating. Yes, right there, he went to golf courses

449
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: while he's supposed to be on house arrest with a

450
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: GPS monitor on his ankle. Where did he go? He

451
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: went to multiple golf courses in the state. He went

452
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: to a Brazilian steakhouse, Dick Sporting good Dick's Sporting Girl.

453
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: You mean, when my little girl is in the changing

454
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: room at Dick's, I've got this rapist wandering around with

455
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: an ankle monitor on right outside her door. Well in

456
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: ye recommends show he was there at Dick Sporting Goods

457
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: and numerous other restaurants and other stores all across South Carolina.

458
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: And like I said, even um at a car dealership

459
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: and gas station across state lines in Brunswick, Georgia, and

460
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: nobody did a darned thing, Is that right, Katie King? Yes,

461
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: that is unfortunately the case, even after it was brought

462
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: to the attention of solicitors, and you know, they filed

463
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: a motion to Um you know, I guess provoke his bond.

464
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: That was what the whole hearing was initially supposed to be.

465
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: He was still able to be out on house arrest

466
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: with that GPS monitor. He was not immediately put in

467
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: jay despite all of those bond violations. Two Sarah Ford,

468
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: Dallas's case was dropped reportedly because Dallas died. This little girl,

469
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: this ten girl, died after all of the bullying and

470
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: trolling when she made a rape plane, she killed herself. Now,

471
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: isn't it true, Sarah Ford, that murder cases a tribe

472
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: all the time without a victim, aren't they? Aren't they?

473
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: That's correct? And aren't cases across the board tried after

474
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: a victim or a witness has passed away? Is it

475
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: that true? It is true, And there was substantial evidence

476
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: in this case. You know, even if the state felt

477
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: that they could not prosecute at the ternal sexual conduct level,

478
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: certainly there was even a witness who observed bow and

479
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: Turner over Dallas Dollar. So there was evidence that what

480
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: did the witness see, Sarah. The witness observed go and

481
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: Turner gamming up and dipping up his pants, and Dallas

482
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: Dollar was on the ground. I mean, mister Staller, the

483
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: dignity of him getting up and zipping up his pants

484
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: and her lying there on the ground like that, It

485
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: just I can hardly take it in. How do you

486
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: deal with this every day and day out, ma'am? It

487
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: halts me every day the thought of that, and but

488
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: it's it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking, and then to be and

489
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: then to be uh used by the system is even

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00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: it's no more heartbreaking than seeing imagine what my daughter

491
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: went through and seeing that, however, it's really aggravating and

492
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: really ticks me off. That just Deputy Solicitor David Miller

493
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: clearly clear and I've emphasized this multiple times, and I

494
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: may get a little passion about this, and I apologize

495
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: that he clearly clearly defied a direct court order that

496
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: was issued out of Lee County, South Carolina at a

497
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: bond hearing that the Second Judicial Solicitor's Office a pun

498
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: notification of violations of conditions of bond, but to order immediately,

499
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: and I stressed immediately. That was in caps, ma'am, immediate

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00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: arrest of the one turner, not wait two minutes, two

501
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: days to two months, let's cut a deal kind of things.

502
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: Let's let's get him right now and then he'll be

503
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: held into custody until hearing could be set or bond revocation.

504
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: And that did not happen. That did not happen, and

505
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: he had that that solicitor had a duty, he had

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00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: a duty to enforce that judge's court order. And I

507
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: questioned over and over and over again why there aren't

508
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 1: consequences for him and the defense attorney's side, this should

509
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: be consequences for him too, because he is an officer

510
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: of court in South Carolina. He knows he became aware

511
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: the moment those frontouts came out that his client had

512
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: violated that GPS monitor agreement. He was obligated lawfully to say, hey,

513
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: I need to turn my client in. You're in a

514
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: problem here. I've got and that there's no question about that.

515
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: And I work in law enforcement too in South Carolina,

516
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: and I know that my badge doesn't protect me. If

517
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: I the five court order or I'm going to jail,

518
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and he should be locked up. He shouldn't

519
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: be a solicitor. He should be charging misconduct and officer.

520
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: There's numerous things that should happen, but they're not going

521
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: to happen. And it's because of all the power and

522
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: the bs that goes on that's that this point might period.

523
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: And I'm so upset about it. I do not know

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00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: what to do. It doesn't would not change what happened

525
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: to Corey, will not change what happened to Dallas. It

526
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: will not change what happened to me the other young lady. However,

527
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: it will will speak if something would be done. It

528
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: will speak to saying, hey, there are consequences for not

529
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: doing my job. And I asked him point blank when

530
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: he talked to us by zoom, wouldn't come meet with

531
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: us in person? I asked him point blank, did you

532
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: do you feel like you did an adequate job and

533
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: trying to prosecute my daughter's case? He said to me easily, Yes,

534
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: an adequate job. And I'm going I can tell you

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00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: right now, mister Staller, a case can be tried without

536
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: a victim. Yes, ma'am, I know that. I know that

537
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: for a fact, because I've done it more. I can't

538
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: even count the times I've done it. Chloe Bess. Were

539
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: you in the courtroom when bow and Turner his father's

540
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: walk Turner who works with the DA's office. Were you

541
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: there when he got straight probation? Oh, yes, ma'am, I

542
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: was there. What was your reaction, Chloe, this is the

543
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: guy that raped you. I was extremely disappointed. I kind

544
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: of walked in there already knowing what was and it happened. Because,

545
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: like we've said, I think this was obviously a preplanned thing.

546
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: This didn't just had or this wasn't just decided when

547
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: we walked in. There were a lot of things behind

548
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: the scenes that I think it happened. When you heard it,

549
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: the judge stating probation, he's not even gonna have to

550
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: register as a sex offender, what went through your mind?

551
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: Absolutely disgusted A. Paul. I could not believe what was

552
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: unfolding in front of my eyes because to know there

553
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: was a possibility of it happening, and then actually watching

554
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: it happen right in front of me, I mean, it

555
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: was very surreal. I just couldn't believe that that was

556
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: even an option, Doctor Bethany, Doctor Bethany Marshall with me

557
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: and renowned psychotherapists joining me out of Beverly Hills. Doctor Bethany,

558
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: I think the worst thing that rape victims go through

559
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: is that feeling you have flashbacks of being raped, I

560
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: think being completely helpless. I've had victims tell me they

561
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: felt like they were up above themselves looking down when

562
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: the rape happened. Which echoes what Chloe saw when she

563
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: looked in the mirror, that feeling of helpless less, there's

564
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: nothing you can do, and it lingers with a rape

565
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: victim forever, and Nancy think about this. He was so

566
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: frenzied and aggressive he threw poor little Chloe into the dirt.

567
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: And now he's roaming free, and he could stalk her,

568
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: he could predate upon her. I have three victims in

569
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: my practice. One was predated upon constantly by a brother,

570
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: one was raped repeatedly by an uncle, and one just

571
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: the one time incident with her sister. All three are obese.

572
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: They're very prominent members of society and successful, but all

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00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: three are obese because they fear that if they're normal weight,

574
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: they will not be able to send off an attacker.

575
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: They're disregulated. They want to be in relationships, but the

576
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: tiniest little things their partners do to disappoint them or

577
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: let them down send them into a terrified frenzy. They

578
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: are anxious and panicky all day long. One leaves the

579
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: house without brushing her hair, and she's in her forties.

580
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: Because she's so panicked, all these years later, she can't

581
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: think to brush her own hair. She feels like a

582
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: little orphan roaming the streets. So the consequences and they fascinate.

583
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: You're just like it hurts to hear it, Katie Cayman,

584
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: What if anything, it's the reaction in the community. Why

585
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: are people taking this line down in South Carolina? I

586
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: don't know that people are. I think finally, since this

587
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: has come to light that people are outraged. We've gotten

588
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: phone calls and I've gotten messages and emails just so

589
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: upset about this case and how it's three girls, not

590
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: an isolated inst three girls that we know of, Katie. Yeah,

591
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: they're I think people are outraged that Bowen Turner is

592
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: out on probation. That Hey, Katie, I noticed that the

593
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: judge didn't want cameras in the courtroom. Isn't that right? Um?

594
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: It was beyond that another out I was allowed to

595
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: go in there. I was denied access even though I

596
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: said I was a member of the public. I guess so, Katie,

597
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: that's the last thing Judge Didnis wanted was Katie came

598
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: into the courtroom reporting on what he was doing. Well,

599
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: guess what, judge. We all know. Now we wait as

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00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: justice unfalls. Nancy Gray scrum story signy gone, goodbye. Then