WEBVTT - UFC’s Paramount Era Begins with UFC 324 | Jon Anik’s Ideas for Changing UFC | Eye-Poke Rules Update 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:10.080 Revee revee dalks. We'll do the snow tip to tip. 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.440 This is all life, this is our passion. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:18.680 I'm look Thomas, I'm this this Morning Combat. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.120 We gotta get Chuck his own intro. What's going on? Everyone? Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.639 Fights are back. They are back. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.640 They are finally back in our life, and we are 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.480 here to preview them and talk about so much more. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.159 Welcome to Morning Combat on this nineteenth day of January 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.520 twenty twenty six. My name is Thomas. I am merely 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.479 one half of your hosting duo, joined by my friend 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:43.159 and yours. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:46.680 Again. I just can't get rid of these Connecticut bubba's. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:48.360 But here he is. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.200 It's Chuckman. What's up, Iceman? How are you just true? 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.960 I guess yeah, You're last guy was Connecticut too. I 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.360 guess that's where all the talents is for this chair, right. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.200 That's where all the available talent is. I suppose. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.480 I'm not sure how to say it. I'm ready for 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:04.440 round two, man. You know that's when I come to life. 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.640 This is our second show, and this is usually when 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:07.480 I start to show up. 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:07.880 You know that. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.959 Yeah, of course all feel out round like Bud Crawford. Yes, 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:14.800 congratulations to your Broncos and also sorry about your Broncos. 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:16.440 Isn't that fun? But I was happy. 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.120 I was happy to see the Bills lose because, uh, well, 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.480 their fan base is intolerable, let's just be honest. 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.320 About I've found that to be the case. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.120 But I do know, I feel like I know more 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.440 Buffalo Bills fans than just about any other like type 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:31.440 of fan, right Like, there's I feel like they're everywhere. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.080 So some of those people I like, and so there's 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.160 it's kind of always bittersweet when they when they get 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:37.200 ousted like that. 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:39.720 The reason why you know so many Bills fans in 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.440 real life is because you see their mugshots on the news, 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.880 and they're also close talkers in person. 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.280 They are close talkers. You knew the people I know 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.160 here in town. You know exactly that that's true. 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.960 Hey, Josh Allen's the best quarterback in the league. Really, 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.280 why does he keep going home sad flexibly with cheese 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.240 on your face afterward? Yeah, all right, we have a 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:01.840 lot to get to today, Chuck. So we're gonna talk 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.480 about UFC three twenty four, which is finally here. We'll 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.720 have a bit of a boxing roundup closer to the 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.800 end of the show, there's been an update on referees 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.839 understanding the problems with ipokes. John Annik has talked about 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.160 how he would change the UFC product and so much more. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.320 Do us a favor if you can give this episode 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.800 a thumbs up. If you're watching right now on YouTube, 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:24.919 you can follow us. There are our socials as well 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.320 for Chuck, for me for the show. If you're listening 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.160 on the audio platform, give us a nice review and 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.480 it certainly always goes far when you do. And let's 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:36.080 not forget Morningcombat Dot Shop. We have our current merch 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.040 that's up there. Remember the poster is just twenty five 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.040 dollars for this month. They're a little bit banged up 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.799 in transit, but of course you can get the Stranger 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:50.160 Danger shirts. This design courtesy of Average Joe Art. Now, Chuck, 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.040 what do you have going on for planned coverage? I 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.200 know you're going to Vegas this week, yes, And I 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:57.919 know you're going. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.440 To the zoofa boxing event. Are you going to through 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.480 twenty four as well? I'm not so. 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.240 I'll do a column coming out of UFC three twenty four, 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.079 but we felt like to be at the event. You're like, well, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.519 what could really be different that they're going to be doing, 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.760 maybe like some minor things, but really what you want 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:14.840 to see is what it looks like on the presentation 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:16.359 on television, right, Like you want to be able to 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.120 watch and see what that is. So I'm going to 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.280 fly back on the day of and be back in 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.320 time to watch and do that part of it. But yes, 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.480 I'll be out there for the ZUFA Boxing event, which 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.040 it just feels huge as we get to fight week 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:30.480 at this point. 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.080 Doesn't it like it feels like a big one to me? 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:33.160 Does it? 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:33.680 No? 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.200 No, it's like it's Callum Walsh in a warehouse. I'm like, 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.800 I don't I don't quite get that, but I mean 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.280 I guess I sort of. We talked about it last week. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.280 I guess I sort of get that. I will say this, 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.320 how does it work for Uncrowned? Do you guys have 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.080 someone that goes to all the events? 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:54.480 Like? How do you all apportion that? 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:54.800 No? 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.760 I think that at some point we realized that the 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.800 kind of coverage that most of the sites are doing, 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.920 you know, just the way that they set up media week, 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.800 now that the fight week it's not real conducive. Just 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:08.640 you don't really need to be there for it. So 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.200 I think we have a couple of events that will 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.600 always have somebody on the ground, but for the most 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.719 part they focus their travel budget on other things, you know, 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:19.720 like visiting fighters elsewhere. 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.040 The fight weeks themselves don't seem worth it. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.240 I'll say this, and I know we're going to talk 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.640 about it here in a minute. That nine pm main 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:30.320 card Storeeah, I just can't say. People have been like, 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.120 what do you want out of the UFC on Paramount Era. 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:37.120 I'm like, don't change anything, nine pm, start on the 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:41.080 name card, no pay per view, just just just do that. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.119 Just do that and I'll be I'll be quite happy. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:45.040 I'd be dying. 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:46.680 A lot of those times when you got when you 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.560 limp into ten o'clock and they're just doing the promos, 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.159 you know, they're just doing the intro for the show, 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:52.480 the cold open and all that, and you're like, oh 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.240 my god, man, we still got like two and a 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.080 half three hours of this, and then you go you 0:04:56.120 --> 0:05:00.680 do a post like show right too, so like knowing 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.840 that you're like, man, we're not even halfway home yet, 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.600 We've got a long way to go, and it's you're 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:05.240 already dying. 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:05.560 You know. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:07.279 I mean again, this is part of the reason why 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.120 the show. I mean, we'll be back in studio soon, 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.240 I'm sure. But like part of the reason why we're 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.560 doing this here on Monday remotely is because you know, 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.599 the the just the toll it took where again it 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.400 was more accumulative over many, many years. But then you're 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.200 ba I don't basically basically on the nights where I 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.880 do a postfight show, I don't go to bed until 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.960 roughly four am, because after the show is over, there's 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:28.160 a bunch of stuff on the back end you have 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.120 to do to get ready for the next day's amount 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.080 of work. So all that's done and then you go 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.160 to bed, and then I would have to get back 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.800 up at four am the following day to come up here. Yeah, 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.000 and I'm it's like, dude, when you're twenty seven, Yeah, 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:41.760 it's like, all right, you know, you're a little tired. 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.760 Well you're forty seven, which I'm not quite yet, but 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.960 like still, it's just a completely different ballgame. You know 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.080 that one hour really does make it difference. It's critical, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.640 really critical, all right, Before we get going here, last thing, 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:56.920 let's bring in the third member of our show yet 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.279 another white guy here to give his opinions. It's Long 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.960 Island Luke, the son of a as Brian Campbell would 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.120 say many times, horned up Australia. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.680 And it's his birthday today. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.840 Actually it's the horn the birthday. 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:13.040 Shout out to him. Going to impregnate for his birthday. 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.839 Hopefully No, And I mean, you know, long long over 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.680 those days. Also, me and my girlfriend seven year anniversary today. Wow, 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:24.000 congrats she walking around going pretty much. Yeah, yeah, one 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.520 of those there's a you know, empty spot there she's 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:26.880 waiting for. 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.400 Yeah, yeah, but she's listening in the other room too. 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.640 How many live streams are you going to do? From me? 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.280 Are you gonna do the ZUFA boxing live stream? No, 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:35.600 I'm not going to do ZUPA Boxing. 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.520 I might not even watch it to be honest, you know, 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.719 probably try and do something else Friday, but I may 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.880 watch it, but definitely doing full card Saturday. We back 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:44.880 at it first one of the year. It's been like 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.120 five weeks off because I did Jake Paul. But yeah, 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:49.120 looking forward to it too. 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.880 Yeah. Last thing on this appreciate you long. Last thing 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:53.040 on this is Chuck before we get going. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.520 I did that. I did the Jake Paul fight on 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:56.000 that from him. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.800 It was a Friday night for Anthony Joshua and then 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.200 he never went to bed and then just went to 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:05.480 the airport and did a two legged international travel with child. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:10.400 God that was that was such a stupid idea. 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:12.440 I don't think I could do that. I don't even 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.000 think I have a I don't. I don't think I'm 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.720 capable of doing that anymore. You know, we used to 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.120 do shit like that all the time. I just I 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:19.680 can't do that. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.400 Yeah, I can't either, even though I did, and I 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.920 could do it again, but probably only at gunpoint, you 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.160 know what I mean, Like it would be one of 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:27.920 those situations. 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.680 It's an exotic life you lead there, Well, it's a 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:32.840 it's an exhausting one. 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:33.440 How about that? 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.360 All right, without further ado, let's get this party started 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.640 here Topic number one. What else would we talk about? 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.320 The fights are back, Ladies and gentlemen, They are back. 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.720 UFC three twenty four is this weekend, and of course 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.040 it's a numbered event. We can't say pay per view anymore, 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:53.040 as well as the first one of the UFC Paramount Era. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.880 A lot of high expectations. As we indicated, we already 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.320 know this. It's going to be a nine pm main 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.120 card start. It's been traditionally ten per and of course 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:02.720 it's not going to be pay per view anymore. There 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.920 still is the paywall to get through with you have 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.240 to have be a subscriber to Paramount Plus, but not 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:11.080 that additional layer to keep you out. So chuck as 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.680 the UFC takes on, it's made in voyage here in 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.800 the Paramount era, the first This will be the first 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.680 as Mediicatu sort of like top tier UFC event. They're 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.360 bringing on, CBS is bringing on Kate Scott as part 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.040 of the broadcast. Does the UFC need to do even 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.000 more than what we've already talked about to make this 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:33.200 first event special and meet fan demand or have they 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.360 already kind of set themselves up nicely to deliver what 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:38.760 I think the fans are hoping for. 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.280 Yeah, it's a tough one. I was thinking about this. 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.880 You know when they first introduced the Fox era, remember 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.840 they had that bonus card. They're like, hey, we're gonna 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.840 do a kickoff party before we even get this card 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.240 going with the cane Velasquez Junior de Santos and they 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.400 had I remember how strange it felt maybe maybe you 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.240 remember this too, seeing like Kurt Minafee, for instance, like 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.600 hosting that and it felt like our small, weird sport. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.440 Now is Kurt Minafie like sitting here talking about it? 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.480 And they had if I recall it was like John Jones. 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.120 They had a couple of people in the in the 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.400 studio and it felt very like there was a ceremony 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.400 to this whole thing, And I'm interested, I guess to 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.920 see if there's anything like that. I couldn't remember other 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:22.120 than the strangeness of the ESPN opening, if you recall, 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.040 because of the Greg Greg Hardy was on the ConA 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.320 main event, they had Rachel odjivish Ostovich who was down 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.840 on the lower like on that same main card, And 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:31.680 it felt very like tone deaf for the UFC to 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.600 go into the ESPN era with that that kind of 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:39.400 dynamic in place. But in terms of like will they 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.360 do something that distinguishes it, and I don't necessarily think 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.200 they have to, Like I feel like some of the 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:47.600 promo packages and the things that they're going to run 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.040 on Paramount Plus already contain a little bit of a different, 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.840 I don't know, a different feel. Maybe maybe you feel 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.840 differently about it, but like they they seem more cinematic. 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.840 It seems to fit the themes of what they're normally streaming, 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.320 and they're kind of like splicing in the UFC, So 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.600 they're existing, you know, whatever they've got going on. I 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.400 just it'll be interesting to see kind of what they 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.120 come up with. But you know, I don't, to be 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.679 fully honest, man, because I haven't seen them. Maybe it's 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.560 because of Dana's kind of enthusiasm factor, like not being 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.240 where it was, like, I don't really anticipate any big changes, 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:23.520 do you. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:27.920 Okay, well, I mean they've already done the big ones already, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.079 right the paper view has beenicated in the Star Times. 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:31.600 What are they calling this, by the way, so like 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:33.640 I was thinking about that when you put me we 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.920 keep mentioning it as like a premier event. 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.000 Or what do we call numbered events? Okay, that's what 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.120 we're calling it, right, numbered events? All right. 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:42.679 I think that they do have to do a little 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.600 bit extra, so again bringing on the pay per view, 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.000 getting rid of that we're doing the earlier Star Time, 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.920 they're bringing on Kate Scott. I think if they add 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.000 a few more bells and whistles on the production side, 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.720 maybe they hold their cards close to their vest and 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:00.520 then give an announcement about some impending fight. Maybe they announced, 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.160 for example, I think the fans would probably be hyped 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:03.600 if they did. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:05.000 I'm just making something up. 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:07.680 Hey, we're gonna already tell you what the main event 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.280 is for UFC White House, or you know, some kind 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.360 of indication about here's what we got going on, here's 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.240 what we got cooking. It looks shiny, it looks new, 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.320 got that new car smell, kind of getting into it, 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.080 and they're off to the races. But I think actually 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.319 be a mistake to try and do too much. I mean, 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.280 here's the reality. Every time the UFC signs one of 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.520 these deals. So when they go from Spike to Fox, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.479 Fox to ESPN and now ESPN to CBS or Paramount, 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.560 one of the biggest things that I've seen is that 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:38.200 the in house teams at these places are not usually 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:42.439 fully ready to deliver the UFC product as it's supposed 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.880 to be delivered, which is understandable. This is not a criticism, 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.760 it's just a reflection of reality. You have these in 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.160 house teams that again they might do NFL, they might 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.800 do whatever, and they're all very talented but MMA is 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.120 like any other sport, is its own kind of beast. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.360 You have to have institutional knowledge to make this work, 0:11:58.360 --> 0:11:59.920 and they don't think they have really built that out yet. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.319 I mean, again, they've this is the first ufcvent on Paramount. 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.960 They haven't really announced like all the different Paramount shoulder 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.400 programming that's going to be a part of it, because. 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:10.800 I don't think they've even come up with it yet. 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:14.359 I don't even think they haven't even announced any hirings 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.800 exactly for who they're gonna keep and who they're gonna add, 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:18.960 and what shows are going to be there. None of 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.400 this has been settled, and so I think trying to 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.160 do too much in this moment would actually be a 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.320 bit of a problem. But at the same time, are 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.720 fans expecting, you know, a little bit of a red 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.400 bull pep introduce them to the whole thing. I think 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.840 as long as you deliver that, you'll be fine. Yeah, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:36.160 I really do believe that. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:36.720 Well. 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.760 I mean I feel like they have they traditionally. I 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.280 feel like they think some of this through and I 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:46.240 would maybe something like what you mentioned, like obviously, if 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:47.960 they if they mentioned the White House thing, can you 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.040 imagine the buzz because first of all, that when that's 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.079 sort of like, okay, now we're definitely pinning the state 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:54.960 we know for sure that this is going to happen, 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.280 because I feel like still it lives in this abstract 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.400 like we're trying to do this. We'll see, but they're 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.400 promising it. But I feel like that that would actually 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.720 say like this is happening. That would be a major buzz. 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.240 In the old days, man, when they were like kind 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.280 of you know, doing these cards, one of the big 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.240 moments within the pay per views was they would announce fights. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:16.719 Do you remember this? And we would go, everybody be 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.480 on Twitter. This is in the earlier days of Twitter, 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.800 and everybody be talking about that. It was like this 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.200 added buzz that you could add to your event and 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.679 now suddenly you're very excited not just about what's about 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.360 to happen, but what's down the road. So maybe they 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.360 would use something like that. I think it would be 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:31.840 advantageous for them to do that. 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:33.320 Yeah, there's no question. 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.600 Now let's talk about some of the fights on this 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.840 card if we can. Obviously, the main event, the UFC 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.240 Interim Lightweight title is up for grabs when Justin Gagee 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.400 takes on Patty Pimler. We're gonna look at it from 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:48.199 from both sides of the equation here. The first one 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.200 would be a very basic one, and I want to 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:51.760 play a video before we get your answer. 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:52.080 Shock. 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:56.040 It would be about justin Gaegee's legacy, because I think 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.280 we're gonna have to start figuring this out. And here's 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.240 why he told Aaron Bron's that or if he gets KOed, 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:02.360 he's finished. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.560 You've always given me a number of how many wars 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:05.880 you have left in you? Do you still what is 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:06.640 that number? Today? 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.600 One more knockout? I went to sleep. That was before that, 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:10.280 I'd never been. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:10.560 Put to sleep. 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.199 If I would go to put to sleep again, I 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:13.400 would definitely call quits. 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.840 Really, so you're drawing the line that's. 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.000 Been my line. Yeah, it never happened. So I wasn't like, 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:21.760 if I get knocked out, I'm quitting. But once I 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:26.320 got knocked out, you know, thirty seven years old. If 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.600 I was twenty twenty seven, thirty, this would be a 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.800 different story. But this is not the beginning. This is 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.280 definitely the end of my career and it's been such 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.600 an amazing thing. You know, obviously they'll they'll use and 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:37.640 abuse you in this sport, and you have to protect yourself, 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.720 you know. And I altually have created a team, and 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.880 I got my family and my coaches, and they all 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.680 have my best interest in at hand. And I've always 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.120 told him that I'm in it till they say I 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.000 don't have it no more, and or whenever I feel 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.080 like my younger self, the the hunger of my younger 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.720 self can beat the skills that I've that I have now, 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:01.280 then it would be done. 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:02.920 Now. One more of this. 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.640 I think we have a graphic from Trevor Whitman. Here's 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.880 what he said, which is not quite the same thing 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.400 as Justin quote. This is our last run. If we 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.720 don't win this fight, we're not going on. We're not 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:15.320 going to go out there and be a gatekeeper and 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:16.960 look at money fights. He knows he's got to be 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.640 there for his family and take care of his health. Chuck, 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.400 It's interesting, right because he's already been an interim champion, 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.880 and I guess there is something to be said for 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.400 being a two time interim champion. But how would you 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.680 assess Justin Gacy's legacy if this ends up being his 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:34.760 last fight? Well, I guess it wouldn't be if he won. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.400 So if let's start with if he loses, what's on. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.240 The line here for Justin and what a swing this 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.480 would be because obviously if you win, now you're the 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.920 champion and you have fights lined up, right, So it's like, 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.040 this feels very kind of a start. I don't know 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.080 if you ever talked to Justin way back in the day, 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.280 but he was one of those guys who was a 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.720 bit of a red flag human being because the way 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:01.480 he fought was unsustainable, because he was this berserker coming 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:05.000 in from w soof and it just felt like, I 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.640 don't think that you can maintain this for any amount 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.440 of time, Like you're eventually this is going to catch 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:10.920 up to you. And he would talk about it, He's like, 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:12.960 you know, man, I know my styles reckless. I know 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.040 that I could have CTE. He would talk about this 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.440 stuff and you'd be like, man, I've just never heard 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:22.800 anybody who's not worried about their future. The biggest juxtaposition 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.800 at the end of his career, first of all, is 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.520 that he sustained it and he went this far and 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.080 like you mentioned, became an interim champion and fought for 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.000 the you know, fought for the actual title and has 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.480 basically fought top five for the last I don't know 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.760 how many years is that he's still you know, he's 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.200 still there, and how now he's thinking more clearly. It's 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:43.840 very weird because he's sort of like, you know what 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:45.720 if I lose this one, I'm out. And that's a 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.240 very clear minded way to be. He has won a ton. 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.680 I mean, in MA speak, when you win bonus money 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:53.960 like he has, this becomes like a major deal of 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.760 how you you know, supplemented your income. He's done a 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.440 lot of that. And I think that when you mentioned 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.600 his legacy, it's going to be like I was trying 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.879 to think of the the actual like he may be 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:08.840 one of a kind in the sense of the types 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.919 of competition that he fought in and the magnitude of 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.040 event that he fought in. He was always a guy 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.560 that you could plug in to a major event, not 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:18.840 necessarily like a Donald Cerroni where you could just plug 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.240 him into a main card and he's like anywhere anytime, 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.760 but more of a guy who was who would deliver 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.680 on a promise of a card that maybe was lacking 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.359 and he would bring something to that table that would 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.119 that would fill it in for everybody, and everybody'd be 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:33.760 happy with it because it was justin Gaigee and he 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:35.359 brought out the best of the other guy and they 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:39.320 went to war. He's a berserker man, and he's I 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:41.000 think that that's going to be who is when I 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.840 think back on Gaigee. Let's presume he doesn't win this fight, 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.120 Like when I look back at his career, it's going 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.800 to be a guy who brought that mentality, which I 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:55.000 think is almost the quintessential you know mentality. The UFC 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.240 always used to preach and their prep fights are the 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.080 before the fights where they would say, like, hey, guys, 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.760 leave it all out there, you know, do not leave 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:03.320 in the hands of the judges, and all this sort 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.320 of thing. This was justin Getchee. He was kind of 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.840 a godsend in the UFC, stood in a lot of 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:12.440 big moments and still was very, very successful in terms 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.680 of the types of competition he fought because he fought 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.399 the who's who man. So I think, I just think 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.800 I'm always gonna think of a wild man. What about 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.080 you when you think about him? 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:27.600 I I firstly consider him part of a generation of 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.040 lightweights that I don't know we'll ever get again, when 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.520 you talk about him, Chandler, Eddie Alvarez, when you talk 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.640 about Justin Parier, when you talk about you know, obviously 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.880 Connor part of that as well, and Habib and there 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:42.560 was that. I mean Connor and Habiber were a little 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:44.919 bit different because they obviously ascended to greater heights, but 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.359 there was like this, and Eddie was a champion too, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.720 but there was like a generation of lightweights who were 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.119 just fucking war horses, and he was part of that. 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.480 He made a very very very special era of lightweight. 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.879 You can patrols Olifer in that as well. Who's getting 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.240 kind of at There's just been a really, really, really 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:03.880 special run. And if you look at the current crop 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.399 of lightweights, I think they're very good, and certainly the 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.440 guys at the top like sar Yuki and Tuporia, I 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.480 think are really really good and I'm glad that they're there, 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.320 but I don't think there's quite as much of the 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.399 same thing. They're not easily going to be replaced. I 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.679 think he's part of that. But to your point, he 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:20.520 was a guy from World Tears of Fighting. There was 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.399 a they never called remember James Vitt called him the 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.879 Homer Simpson of MMS, where he was just oh, you 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.520 just get hit a bunch, and then he flattened him 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.200 and went out and he actually, I think over it, 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:35.520 justin Gatchee has massively overachieved relative to his style. His style, 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.200 he should have been finished in the sport a while ago, 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.880 but because he is a special kind of fighter, he's 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.119 transcended that. The interesting part about me for this spout 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.960 is if he wins the interim belt, is a two 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.640 time interim champion equivalent to a champion. I don't think 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.840 that it is, but it's not nothing. But if he loses, 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.320 I don't think it actually ruins his legacy either. It 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.359 just kind of seals what we understand him in place. 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.480 It freezes him, so to speak, in the Star Wars 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.640 universe carbonite, and there's really nothing else there to advance. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.760 The only way any of this really changes how we 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.720 understand him long term is if he goes out there, 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:14.240 beats Patty and then does something special in the fight thereafter. Otherwise, again, 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.800 it's not to say he's not done an amazing things, 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:18.040 but this fight doesn't. 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:23.080 It's weird. It's it's critical to change, but by itself doesn't. 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.199 Do much I think, no, you're right, man, And like 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:28.320 the fact that he, like you were mentioning that, like 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.480 when he came over, you're talking about the lightweight field 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.800 when he came over. How exciting was that the idea 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.679 that you're now putting this guy who was the champion 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.879 over there who fought you remember the leg kicks and 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.560 everything like with the U and Luis Palomino and the guys, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:43.119 like he was blowing up over there, and you're like, 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.600 you're putting this guy now into the fold of all 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.280 these guys who are already here. It did make for a 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:52.520 crazy era. But more to your point, man, like I 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.919 hadn't thought of this until we were kind of like 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.439 putting together the show and you'd mentioned this, But like 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.320 it is a huge hinge moment because if he wins 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.600 a title, I do feel like, you know, he wins 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.560 an actual title, and you know, we see how everything 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.760 plays out this year, it does change things for him 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.480 because you know how it is. It's like Justin Poier 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:13.960 is one of those guys who kept changing, you know, 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.919 changing the perception of him as time went on and 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:19.840 became like a more beloved figure even if you didn't 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:22.600 win everything, like he became like this beloved figure. I 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:24.240 think that you would have to look at like Justin 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:27.520 Gaege and be like man the BMF title, you know, 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:29.680 just standing in there, even though he didn't win that exchange, 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.440 it became he became like the you know, posterized by 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.040 by Holloway and that in that crazy ass exchange one 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:38.359 of the craziest things we've seen in the sport. But 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:40.919 to just come back from that and win a title, 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.560 I do think that that, you know, that would be 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:45.920 something that we would look at and I think you 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:49.040 would have to consider with Justin Gatchie forever after that man, 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.560 because that kind of perseverance is also very unique to 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:55.479 a guy like him. 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.399 This is interesting to think about which is on the 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.520 other side of the equation with Pad Pimblet. Clearly the 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:04.240 UFC has big expectations for him, not merely to help 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.520 mature and nurture the UK market, but just as a 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.040 guy that the fans whether they like them or they 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:11.600 hate him, and most people seem to like him, but 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:13.520 he can be a lightning rod in a variety of 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:16.520 ways that there's just a lot of buzz around him. 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:20.760 So what happens like do you think the UFC would 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.920 be better if Justin Geechee won in the sense that A, 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.040 it doesn't add much to his legacy to be a 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:28.760 two time interim champion, and b now you've ruined the 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.359 party on the other side, I guess it kind of 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:32.560 tells you what they expect to happen. 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:34.320 I don't think they think that Gatege's gonna win. 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:39.359 They don't book. You know, if it was about Justin 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:41.679 gate Like, let's put it this way, it would be 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.720 Patty versus arm On, Right, if they weren't worried about Patty, 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:46.360 if they weren't trying get him, they would be like, well, 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.840 you just put this guy who deserves it. Justin's pushed 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:50.760 out the equation you have these two guys go at it. 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.240 The reason Justin's in there, I think is because the 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.400 new era they want to associate with a guy who 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:58.720 is a firebrand who comes in and, you know, like 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:03.000 Paddy Pimblet and realizes, you know, he wins a title 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.000 and he's able to kind of set up whatever next 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.680 in that division, which could be a couple of different scenarios. 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:10.679 So's it'd be in a very healthy position. And I 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:14.000 think Patty is a guy that would draw casual interest 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:16.359 back into the sport right away and all that stuff. 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:19.119 So you're right, this is one of those situations where 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:22.760 Justin Gaegie gets the like he gets the chance to 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.399 kind of blow up the plans here and this is 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:27.280 I don't know how you feel about this fight, but 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.640 the end there's no animosity. It's almost like everything's off center. 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:32.399 When they look at each other, they just have admiration. 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:34.920 They've said some things, but it's like it's mostly like 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.080 I like this guy. He just it's necessary. You've all 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:40.760 just got to go beat him. Meanwhile, you know, like 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:44.200 Dan Hooker and Patty Pimblet are like, you know, bad 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:47.600 blood brewing like back and forth, and you got Armann 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:50.400 out there, which Patty has commented on and Justin has 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.240 looked at him as well. It's a very strange setup. 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:57.160 It just it feels like in that sense that you're right, 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:01.639 the gayche's being placed in there basically to get Patty 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:03.520 over in the wrestling term, right, like to get him 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:05.399 over and be like here we go. Now we enter 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:10.199 this era and we've seen this before man, where whatever 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.520 that plan is doesn't work, and it would be very 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:15.160 interesting if it doesn't. I suppose the worst case scenario, right, 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:17.399 is that you have Justin Gaichee who's never done the 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:20.560 UFC wrong, and that's in delivering fight. So if he's 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:22.920 your champion, you'll be fine. But that's not the way 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:23.679 they're designing it. 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:23.880 Here. 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:28.120 The DraftKings odds have Geichee at plus one ninety Pimblet 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.119 at minus two thirty. Of course, all of those are 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:32.120 subject to change, they can change between now and then, 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.800 but they kind of indicate, I think, pretty correctly what 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:37.280 the odds should be that Pimblet deserves to be the favorite, 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:39.480 but it's not so. I mean, so it's strong, but 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:42.600 it's not so overwhelming that you could not imagine a 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:44.760 case for Geige to win. Let's talk about Patty for 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:48.000 just a second here now. In his case, I will 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:50.040 tell you I did not see him even becoming an 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:53.480 interim champion, and his improvement to me has been real. 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.320 He's filled out dramatically in this weight class. That's another 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:57.280 thing I didn't see coming. 0:24:57.680 --> 0:24:58.840 Well. He was at one forty five. 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:00.800 Someone once asked me, like, you'll this was back when 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:03.880 this was back when to PORI was at forty five, 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.359 and even before he was championed, like long before that, 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:08.960 and they were like, you know, oh, what happens if 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:10.840 Taporia fights Patty? 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:12.840 I'm like, you might kill him. It's a mismatch. You know, 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:14.080 you can't even do something like that. 0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.879 But to his credit, I remember, yes, Yeah, to his credit, 0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:19.239 he has actually improved significantly. And now I still think 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.600 I would picked Pory to beat him ten times out 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.520 of ten, but his ascendancy. This was a guy you 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.520 know people also talking about like favoritism in the fight 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.840 game and like did he have some coming from Cage Warriors? Sure, 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:32.359 but it all kind of worked. Like favoritism in the 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:34.919 fight game can backfire, but when it works, you have 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.880 to acknowledge it as well. Clearly the UFC favors him, 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:41.360 and an interim title Chuck as minimal as we might 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.280 count it as an award, I think in his case 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:46.840 would actually be something of a freaking achievement. It's the 0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:50.400 same thing that Gaichie had and that had. It puts 0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:52.240 him in some pretty interesting company. 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:56.679 It really does. And to your point, man, it's it 0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.440 would be fairly remarkable to look back on because I 0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:02.000 think with Pa pimblet it he felt more like a 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:04.080 novelty that the UFC brought in than he did a 0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:07.040 legitimate contender, and they even in the in the early 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:09.720 fights against Vargus and some of those guys that he 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:13.280 was standing in against, they weren't easy for him. You know, 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:15.240 he looked like he kind of he would get clipped 0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:17.760 too easily. Like it just looked like he was he 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:21.640 would get himself into trouble. And I just remember back 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:24.240 in those like in that time, you're you're thinking like, well, 0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.199 we'll see how long this goes. But it felt very 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:28.359 much like a novelty, like you're just watching this guy 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.760 who has this, uh, you know, this fan base he 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:33.080 brings over, and we'll see how long that goes. For 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:35.080 him to end up in this position and to actually 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:39.080 win a title would be fairly remarkable because this is 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:42.439 a guy who has had to deal with larger amounts 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.159 of scrutiny I guess you know what I mean, Like 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:49.359 he's been forced to have to deliver in situations because 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:51.840 he's you know, he's he talks a big game and 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:53.680 when you get in there, if he doesn't deliver, it's 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:55.480 going to look very poorly on him. He's been able 0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:57.879 to do that, and honestly, man, like, yeah, you got 0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:00.960 Tony Ferguson, who's long and tooth kind of way past his. 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:02.879 Prime, and you get a guy like Michael Chandler. 0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:06.000 This to me, even though Geychee's pretty old, but this 0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:07.880 to me is like, if you're able to get through 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:10.760 Justin Geechee, and I don't think you're seeing a hugely 0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.160 diminished Justin Geigee, if you're able to do that to him, 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.960 I think that that is one of the stories that 0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:18.760 we have to look at in our sport and be like, wow, man, 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:22.480 this dude really capitalized in a way that I never 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:24.320 saw coming. I personally didn't see it coming. And I 0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.760 remember talking to people who'd watched him in England beforehand 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.800 and just kind of the way he took losses, the 0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:33.959 way he was almost suicidal at certain points, and they 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.160 would wonder about his mentality if he was even cut 0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:38.199 for the fight game in a long term situation. So 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.200 you get into this situation now, man, it's a fairly 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:44.040 remarkable I know he's kind of almost downplaying it, you 0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:46.160 know what I mean, But this is a big deal 0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:46.479 for him. 0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:50.400 Why do you think he's done playing it? I don't know, man. 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:52.919 I saw an interview and it just seemed like he 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.840 was like, you know, maybe he's he has almost like 0:27:55.880 --> 0:28:00.720 soporific delivery. Sometimes he doesn't really feel like he's you know, 0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:03.640 fully awake sometimes, but he was. He was just kind 0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:06.480 of saying like it'd be great to be the champion, 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:08.919 but it was almost like it was not the the 0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:12.520 end all for him and all that stuff. But I 0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.720 just to me, it feels like though he's not really 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.879 seeing it, Like I'm just pointing out, it's not like 0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:21.679 he sees it as this escalation in this moment to 0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:24.320 kind of like put a bow on something that you know, 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.000 he came from a from these very hard beginnings and 0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:28.880 here he is. I just I didn't get that sense 0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:31.080 from him. Maybe that all changes with the emotions on 0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:33.840 fight night, but he's he's just kind of downplayed it, 0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.280 you know, I don't I don't know why, to be honest. 0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:38.480 You know what's interesting is I think he almost sees 0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:42.040 it as automatic. Let's play this video here. Patty thinks 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.240 that it's actually fate that he's gonna end up unifying 0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.480 the title opposite Eliotaporia side It's fate. 0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:51.320 Oh man. It was meant so often because a lot 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:55.720 was just over non for now, we just dislike each 0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.600 other known to man, and I'll just bet a fight. 0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:00.400 I think he's a billion fire, He's a lot. 0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.480 Up until Armon Forts, I was thinking arm was the 0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.120 tougher fight, and then when I face off, they've seen 0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:10.800 so many holes in his game, so they leaves the 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:14.360 toughest fight out there. People think Islam's plan for pound 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:19.360 number one. He's number two, and I want to beat 0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.160 some mother. I want to be on that planful pound list. 0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:23.920 I want to show everyone why we have weight divisions 0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:28.440 and that he's just too small to beat me. And 0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:33.200 as I say, on a professional level, I'm I think 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:36.640 he's a very good fighter. He's cause champion for I'll 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:37.680 be an even better one. 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:41.160 You have to love the moxy. You have to love 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.080 just a breezy kind of confidence that this is all 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.200 set up. I mean maybe you feel that way when 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:48.080 you're fighting nothing but dudes in their late thirties and 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:48.840 early forties. 0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.120 Well that is true, man. I mean like he is 0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:54.640 getting the platter of the you mentioned. You mentioned you know, 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:58.760 the lightweight the lightweight division being a golden era through 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.280 the through all those fights, he's kind of, you know, 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.640 getting the leftovers of that of that division at this. 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:06.960 Point people, people, which is true, like you have like, 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:09.200 this is one of those things where like you see 0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:11.680 you'll see this all the time if you watch fights 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.760 long enough, where like again, this was a similar kind 0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.040 of criticism that was levied against John Jones. Here he 0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:21.920 comes and he's beating Rampage and Showgun and Macheetah and 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.360 Bait or two. But that was obviously before the title 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:26.400 run itself, and everyone's like, oh, he's just beating all 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.720 the old guys. I'm like, that's the job. That's the 0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:33.120 job of someone who is taking out a division and 0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:37.000 is instituting generational change. Now I'm not saying that's what 0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:39.320 Patty is going to do, because we're talking about John 0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:41.080 at the title level doing that. 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.480 Yeah, less so at the pre title level, but you 0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:44.560 know that's the job. 0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:46.280 At the same time, though, Chuck, the other thing that's 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:47.840 what I have you come back to is like, Okay, 0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:50.320 it's great to beat all the unks, but it's not 0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:51.680 the same as beating. 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:53.600 The Armins and the ilias. You know what I mean. 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.720 Well, And it's also that like at some point in time, 0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:59.880 you've seen Gaechee fight everybody, right, Like you've kind of 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:02.760 seeing him fight and everybody, like you said, it's the 0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:04.920 job to go in there, but it's also the game itself. 0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:07.520 The game itself is saying like the young guy has 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:09.160 to come up and get rid of these old guys, 0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.840 and we do it again. It reimagines everything. We have 0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:15.640 fresh matchups all over the place, and uh, you know, 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.959 the excitement level or I guess the imagination of the 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:22.360 fight game has a whole different meaning. If Patty is 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.720 holding that belt, even even for a little while, like 0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:27.200 you're gonna have he mentions it, they have a they 0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.000 have an ongoing you know thing that at some point 0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:33.360 maybe they can do something about it. 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:35.680 It's just you get a lot of he's able. 0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:37.560 He's been very good at just kind of setting the 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:40.480 table for his run, which maybe it is fate, maybe 0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:42.280 he's maybe that's how he views it, but he's done 0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:45.400 a very good job and it just opens up the imagination. 0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:48.520 Whereas a gay chee, you know, at some point you're like, well, 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:50.560 what who else do we want to see him fight? 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.560 We've kind of seen him fight the gamut and all 0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.080 these new guys that are coming up doesn't excite you 0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:55.560 as much. 0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:57.400 And the truth is last thing on us. 0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:59.920 We'll talk about the comin event, which is you need 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.800 people to do what Patty has the opportunity to do. 0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:04.240 It's not at I mean, okay, it's. 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.160 Technically at the title level because it's an interim one, 0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:08.120 but for the sake of argument, it's not the real 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:08.640 title level. 0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:09.040 Obviously. 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:13.760 You need young guys to beat up the old guys, 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.400 and you need them to replace to be replaced, like you. 0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:19.320 That's good for a division when that happens, and not 0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:21.920 for nothing, Chuck, he's not an American. The UFC could 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:24.000 use some stars obviously in UK as well. We don't 0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:26.120 know what the hell's gonna happen with Tom aspinall, and 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.520 you know, Leon's on his way out like Patty, would 0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:31.280 be revitalizing both for the UFC brand. We're broadly in 0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.120 that market. Now, let's talk about that co made event. 0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:35.080 With the time we have remni here for this topic. 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:37.479 It was supposed to be Kayla Harrison and Amanda Dunaz. 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:39.880 That's gonna be postponed for you know, however, many months. 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.000 We'll see how that goes. So they moved up Sean 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:46.480 O'Malley versus song Ya Doong, Chuck True or false. I mean, 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:49.320 what a what a turn of events for Sean O'Malley 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:52.800 who gets wasted by Mirob dawallash wee Lea twice in 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:56.160 basically ten months or something like that, and you think 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:58.240 it's completely out of the title picture. Then he loses 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:02.360 to Yawan, who Showan O'Malley technically beat. He's facing song 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.640 you dong if he wins. I'm talking about Sean O'Malley. 0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:07.760 It's a guaranteed title shot, is it not? 0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:10.680 No, it definitely is. It definitely is. 0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:13.480 It's actually and it's crazy how this works because you 0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.360 got you have a guy. I think when O'Malley lost 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:18.720 the second time to Morob, you're basically like, what happens now? 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.320 This is a guy who he's not playing at the 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:21.840 top of a head. 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.400 If there's a possibility of a title does he just 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:26.360 go to a different weight class. He's kind of cut 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:29.040 out that way, like as a competitor and like as 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:32.120 a as a personality, uh not to just hang around. 0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:36.240 But yet the guy that he gets stuck behind Morob, 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.280 you know, tries to make history and loses this fight 0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:41.240 and all it does is exonerate you know, like O'Malley 0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.160 and puts him into this new space where it's like, 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:46.120 hey man, I've got the inside track. They would completely 0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.080 give O'Malley the title if he's able to go in 0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:50.720 there and do work, especially in the first card of 0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:52.920 the year like this. In a comin event, they're definitely 0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:56.080 going to put him against Uh yawn because that fight. 0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:58.240 The first fight was very close. You I don't know 0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:00.880 if you remember like watching it in real time, but 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.080 it was. It was very close in the sense that 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.320 there was a lot of volume from O'Malley and but 0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:07.160 he kind. 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:07.800 Of outstruck him. 0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:10.399 But the efficiency went to Yan and Yon like put 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:11.960 him on his back like a bunch of times. He 0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:13.759 had like almost six minutes. He had six takedowns for 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.360 almost six minutes of control time. Could you could have 0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:18.399 easily given that fight the other way? And I think 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.520 a lot of people thought Yon wonted so like you 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:24.680 have a controversy to actually it feels unresolved. There's no 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:26.719 way in hell the USC would missed that opportunity to 0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:27.879 pu him against Peter Yaan Again. 0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:30.400 What happens if he loses. 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:32.920 Now, this is obviously the biggest win of Song ya 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.839 Dong's career, but would it be fair to say that 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.040 if O'Malley loses to someone like this, and I know 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:39.840 he lost a chooto verra on his run up, but 0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:43.400 that was semi injury related and obviously he avenged that 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.840 lost pretty convincingly, so he's not really lost to a 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:49.040 guy of this level. Does it move Sean O'Malley to 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:49.719 forty five? 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:52.879 I think so in the sense that what we were 0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:56.520 just talking about, he strikes me as a guy who 0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:58.920 if he if he doesn't have if he can't be 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:00.479 at the top of the game, right, if he can't 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.840 be near the top or threatening for the top, I 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:03.239 don't know. 0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:05.520 I don't know if he just wants to play. 0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.560 In the kind of more like middle the middle ground 0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:11.480 with the other guys like he's he sees himself, even 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:13.440 though he downplays it a little bit like, I think 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.759 he sees himself as that guy. So I think one 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.480 forty five fresh matchups that would probably be the way 0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:18.759 to go. 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:20.719 I know he's not super eager. 0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:23.040 To do that, but if he wants to remain kind 0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:26.120 of vital, and also maybe where maybe that's the track, 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.239 maybe that's where you follow the money a little bit too. 0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:30.120 I think that that would be the move. 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.400 I just can't imagine him just wanting to work his 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:36.080 way back from uh, you know, from I guess a 0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:38.840 three fight losing streak at that point, right, yeah, I mean. 0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:40.040 Also like not for nothing. 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.920 But you know, people are constantly complaining like, oh, so 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.800 and so is an industry plant or they're getting unfair 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.000 you know, a boost, and it's like, dude, I mean, 0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:50.839 on the one hand, yes, he has the win over Yon, 0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.520 which makes this you know, it would make a potentially 0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:57.200 revenge fight, certainly a rematch, and that has a certain 0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:58.839 kind of appeal. But at the same time we talked 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.000 about it, Chuck like UFC is going to be trying 0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:03.239 to find any American they can't to push to the 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.400 front of the line to help revitalize I think this 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.920 market to a degree, like Sean O'Malley is just sitting 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:12.319 in a really great opportunity. Songa Dong is no joke, 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.719 but it's such a fortuitous position. On the other side, 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:17.719 beast or excuse me, I'm god, I gotta get. 0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:18.000 Used to it. 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.520 The other side, shock, I apologize, Yeah, I know, I 0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.080 got a drink. On the other side of it, songa dongdud, 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.680 This would be far and away his biggest win. Here's 0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:28.640 a guy who's been kind of maturing, kind of maturing, 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.320 getting better, but I don't think he in my mind, 0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:34.840 he doesn't have a real signature win. He's got good wins, 0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:36.680 but the Sahuda win doesn't count. 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.280 Do you share that assessment, Yes, one hundred percent. 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.719 I think that that's his big moment of rival, right, 0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:44.720 like his big moment where you're like, Okay, that dude 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.800 is for real or whatever. It's definitely this is exactly 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:50.120 the kind of name he needs. It's kind of a 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.520 I feel like it's one of those situations like we've 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:55.640 seen them many many times in this game where a 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.960 guy is kind of cast in a position where you know, 0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:02.400 if he wins, which is the whole objective, you kinda 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:06.000 you might piss people off ultimately, right because people are like, oh, 0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:08.360 we wanted to see the O'Malley thing. They're not really 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:11.360 contemplating you. They're kind of looking past you towards other things. 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:15.319 And that's where he's That's where he's at. Man, he's 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:17.360 being cast into this position. He's very he's still a 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:19.680 young guy. He's had some great fights. He doesn't have 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:23.240 that signature win and he goes in there and does business. 0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:25.799 You can't worry about all that perception. You just got 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:27.719 to go get your you know, secure your own bag, 0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:31.359 get that title shot for yourself, and let the chips 0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:33.360 hoover in. They may, but I know in the short 0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:35.239 term that would be a bit of a buzzkill for 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.720 a lot of people for the very reason that you're mentioning, 0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:40.520 which is just trying to get especially with this White 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:44.520 House card looming, some American you know, some American title 0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:47.280 holders again are getting guys back into that space. 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.560 UFC would probably love nothing more. And as a matter 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.160 of fact, we have clip here. O'Malley wants to fight 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:54.600 on at the White House. 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:55.120 Let's see it. 0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:58.799 Meevers Peter at the White House just makes sense. I 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:00.680 don't know what else they what else? 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:01.279 What else? 0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:03.920 What's a bigger fight than that? If we're going off 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:07.600 just pure big fights. If you're going off you know 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:10.720 what makes the absolute most sense, which is not always 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:13.080 what the USC goes off of. I think Morob deserves 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:16.759 a title shot, but if you're going off of, what 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:19.359 the fuck is the biggest fight? You know, Mever's Peter 0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:21.759 rematch at the White House seems like the biggest. 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:24.120 Fight and we need someone to represent you were saying 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:25.719 that White House because what I seen. 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.840 I mean, I would like to say that I disagree 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.320 in purposes of meritocracy for Morob. 0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:35.200 I don't think that I do. I don't think that 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:36.800 I do. No, I don't think so. 0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:40.040 Also, the first fight was under dispute about who actually 0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:41.360 was exactly. 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:43.720 That's the biggest, you know, thing in his back pocket 0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:46.000 is just there are a lot of people who thought, oh, 0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.880 Maley lost that fight and he ends up getting his 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:51.279 hand raised. So now you have a rematch to kind 0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:54.919 of resolve that whole issue. And dude, after Yawn did 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.000 work to Morob at the end of the year and 0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.960 put on his master class performance, that's a huge fight 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:04.239 for him too. So I just can't imagine that they 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.759 would rush Morob back into that space when you have 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:09.719 that kind of fight sitting there ready made. 0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:10.359 You know what I mean. 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.239 There's a million other things we could pick from, but 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:14.719 in the interest of time, I'm just gonna go. 0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:15.520 To punt to you here. 0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:18.000 Any other storyline that you kind of have your eye 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:21.120 on that stands out well. 0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.800 I mean, this kid, twenty three year old at TIBA 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:27.359 got man, Like, that's a guy you have you been 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:27.839 watching him? 0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:27.960 Man? 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.880 I mean like from the middleweight division. He's completely freaking yoked. 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.720 He goes in there and it's like every punch looks 0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:35.680 like it's just going to just drop the curtain on 0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.520 whoever he's aiming at. And literally that has been the 0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.400 case so far. He's got a fight coming up. I 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:43.200 know that they have he's got to fight on this card. 0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:45.880 They have him again at something like a minus one 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:47.399 thousand favorite to go in there and. 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:48.080 Just smash a guy. 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:50.239 So it's like, it's these things are always a lot 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.319 of fun because you're still in the showcase mode. But dude, like, 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:56.080 pay attention to this guy. I think that the thing 0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:57.880 I realized I was I was. I haven't been to 0:39:57.920 --> 0:39:59.520 a lot of ufcs over the last couple of years, 0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:01.520 but I was at a last one at UFC three twenty, 0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:05.120 and it's just like every time he throws, there's something 0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:06.880 in that building. This is fun when you get a 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:08.640 guy like this, Like every time he throws, you're like, 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:11.600 oh shit, here we go. You know it just everything 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:15.320 is so has such bad intention. So I'm looking forward. 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:18.040 I'm hoping that he's able to kind of keep building 0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.640 because that division could definitely use a monster coming up. 0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:21.640 I love that. 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:23.480 I can't wait to see how he looks. Also, I'm 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:26.239 gonna just throw in here. Rosanama unis now Listen. She 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:29.120 currently sits at thirty three years of age. That's not old, 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.360 but she's been and she does have a ton of fights, 0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.200 just twenty professional fights. That's not nothing, but that's not 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.120 a huge amount necessarily. But she's been fighting kind of 0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:39.400 for a long amount of time, Chuck. She's gone through 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.200 a lot of ups and downs and journeys and titles 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:44.839 and big wins and big losses. She is coming off 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.239 a win over Miranda Maverick, which is nice. But if 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.440 she loses to Natalia Silva, I just don't know what 0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:52.000 this does to her title opportunity. She still will have 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:53.640 a big name. I'm not saying that she would be 0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:56.560 rendered ineligible, but she's been up and down. She beats 0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:58.920 he Boss, she beats Cortes, that's great, but then loses 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:02.480 to Blanchefield bounds against Maverick. You know, but to keep 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:06.200 some kind of winning streak alive, to get back to 0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:09.960 an opportunity, which not for nothing. This division feels wide open. 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.120 It might be a strong word, but still available for 0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:14.600 the taking. I suppose in some ways, No, that's not 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.560 quite not right either, But I don't think a title's 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:18.880 out of reach, I guess is the way that I 0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:21.800 would put that, given how things can change at the top, 0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:25.200 and so a win here is not like, oh, it's 0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:28.040 win or go home, but it's not far from that. 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.239 It feels like this needs to be something she can 0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:33.040 put together convincingly. 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:35.520 And it's also weird because I think that she's one 0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.760 of those fighters who you're like, in a condensed version, 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:40.399 you look at her career and you're like, she did 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:41.040 so much. 0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:42.600 She did so much. 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.080 We first saw her coming at twenty two years old, 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:48.280 you know, coming off the ultimate fighter fighting Carla Sparza, 0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:51.520 losing her first thing, getting compared to you know, the 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:55.120 next Ronda Rousey, all that stuff, so big time kind 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:58.880 of expectations probably unfair placed on her. Overcome all that 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.800 have a career where she you know, wins titles twice, 0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:04.919 beat some of the best, I mean the very best 0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:09.880 women in the strawweight division with Zangueli and also Yoanna 0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.600 a couple of times, just fights that you will always 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:14.000 think back on it, like, oh, my god. 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:15.320 I remember when that happened. 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.040 It was already to the point where it's like, well, 0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:20.400 the title doesn't even mean that. She was almost talking 0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:23.759 about it, like who cares about the title anymore? Like 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.399 I've kind of done everything. This is her years ago. 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.000 So now in the weight class that she's in, I 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.320 think that the hunger to kind of hold the belt 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.520 again is still there, even though she you know, I 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:38.600 don't think that she necessarily went there specifically to win 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:40.680 it again. I think she just wanted to do the 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:43.520 new weight class. But she's she's right there, man, and 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:47.560 I feel like that's actually like a huge legacy defining 0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.040 thing if you're able to go up weight class kind 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:52.480 of persevere with the loss you mentioned, like to Blanchefield, 0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:54.359 and like, you know, put yourself in a position where 0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:57.879 you win another one. The Rosana Mayuna story is a 0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:00.200 wild one in the end, so I you know her 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.120 her path is right there. I agree with you, though, 0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.719 if she loses, it's one of the situations You're like, 0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:06.879 I don't know where that leaves rosanama unis. I don't 0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:08.440 know if she I don't even think I don't even 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.480 think she has interest in going back down I've never 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:13.719 heard her really talking about maybe you've heard mention of this, 0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:18.360 but like, obviously she could if she wanted to, because 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:22.000 she owns you know, she's beat that. I guess what, 0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:24.040 I presume will be the champion again at some point 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:26.239 in the Jiangulie a couple of times, so like she 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:28.560 could maybe still do something like that. 0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:30.600 But ultimately, it. 0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:32.600 Feels like for' thirty three years old, it feels like 0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:34.640 she's been in this game forever. And I'm not sure 0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.960 how much she would want to do any of that stuff. 0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:41.040 And I again, I don't I don't discount her skill, 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.560 and I don't think she's over the hill. But Natalia Silva, 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.080 I'm just gonna say this probably has a much greater 0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:50.879 degree of hunger, oh yeah, at this point than Rose does. 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:53.359 And that doesn't mean again, that doesn't mean she's better, 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.200 but that could make the difference. And who gets their 0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.520 hand raised if we can. We got to move this along. 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:01.280 Here, Chuck. It's got a topic number two two, which. 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:02.880 Is I gotta say I saw this news and I 0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:07.279 was elated. How about this for a UFC announcement, The 0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:12.440 UFC announced Featherweight's Josh Emmett and the Argentine Kevin I'm 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:15.799 trying to how did BC pronounce it? Kevin hos uh 0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:20.400 like the most gringo pronunciation ever, Kevin uh Fahe host 0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:24.720 will headline and it really was pronounced. So I'll explain 0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:26.480 it just a second. All right, Well, headline an APEX 0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:30.319 event in March. Now, obviously the UFC believes in the 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.719 Argentine here are pretty big. They're pairing him with an 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:37.320 aging slugger. Is the answer to this pairing as simple 0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:40.359 as it puts him in the top ten? Or do 0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:42.759 you read a little bit more into why they put 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:43.640 these two together? 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.000 No, not really because and also the other side of 0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.400 the equation, Josh Emmett like forty years old, right, like 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:51.239 what do you what are you supposed to do for 0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:54.200 with him? It's kind of like what we were talking 0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:56.279 about before. You've kind of seen Josh emmittt again. You 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:59.440 kind of know at this point what a ceiling is obviously, 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:01.000 like it's forty years old. He's not going to do 0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:04.160 crazy things. So you put him against the guy like 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:07.839 a younger, way younger generationally younger guy who's coming up, 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:10.640 you know, smoking everybody, and it's kind of making his 0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:13.239 move and you take whatever juice is left of Josh 0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.359 Emmitt's name. And I mean it's still a fun fight 0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:18.719 because Josh hits so hard and always his game to 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:20.360 go in there and mix it up. It makes for 0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:23.520 a fun fight. But I do think that it's another 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.160 one of those situations where and I'm maybe I'm reading 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:28.120 way into this with the paramount plus thing, but like 0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:30.640 on a card where you're kind of introducing a new 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:33.160 era and you're kind of pushing these new uh you're 0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:36.320 kind of pushing guys like you know, you're trying to 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:38.680 push guys over who maybe we weren't paying close attention 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:42.200 to before. That makes sense to me that you'd want 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:44.160 a guy like Kevin, you know what I mean, right 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:47.279 into that top ten because he's the one who's going 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:48.200 to bring excitement. 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:50.279 He had that fight. Was it chicase that it was 0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:51.480 his last fight? Yeah? 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:53.120 And I mean it was fair to me. I was like, 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.840 all right, you know, I'm convinced that this guy is 0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:58.000 now going to do exactly what it looks like they're 0:45:58.000 --> 0:45:59.239 trying to get him to do, which is kind of 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.759 busting the top ten to be a problem. And uh, 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:04.040 I kind of like it because I think that you're 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:06.080 still saying to Josh Emmett like, hey, we're gonna give 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.399 you a dude who you're not supposed to beat, right, 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:12.520 And sometimes that can speak to like a competitor's like non, 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:13.440 I watch you know. 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:14.560 That's that sort of thing. 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:17.799 And from his motivational standpoint, you're like, well, I want 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:20.840 to I want to prevent this guy from taking my spot. 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:22.520 But we know how the US, we know what the 0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:24.279 UFC is thinking when they booked this fight. 0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:26.120 I don't think there's any question, by the way, on 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:28.279 the pronunciation. And again, okay, I don't know if I 0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:29.800 don't know if I told you this. I'm now taking 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:33.080 Spanish classes, are you really Yeah, Like I'm an adult 0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:35.440 learner showing up and being like, oh, lay, I'm a 0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:41.279 room you know, may gusta taco bell and all this 0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:43.120 bullshit or whatever. You know, Like I have to do 0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:44.799 a bunch of that and it's very embarrassing because I'm 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:47.200 not very good at it. But the pronunciation here, I've 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:50.279 had this conversation a million times with other folks. Uh, 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:53.440 there's just a million different regional accents in in Spanish, 0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:56.759 and because he's Argentine, they do two l's next to 0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:59.919 each other, like the letter like the sounds like that's 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:00.600 how they do it. 0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:03.480 So like, for example, the word street. 0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:08.200 In Spanish is spelled c A l E, and they 0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:09.440 would pronounce that kashe. 0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:12.600 That's how they say it's so it's vachet Hosts. That's 0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:13.160 how they do it. 0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:16.360 But I mean you might hear his name like in Mexico, 0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:17.440 they would not pronounce it that way. 0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:19.400 I would pronounce it by yea. 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.720 Anyway, dude, I love this fight for any number of reasons, 0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:25.560 not least of which is they're both sluggers, as you indicated. 0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:27.000 The other part, too, is not for nothing. 0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:28.720 If you look at the numbers on for shet Hosts, 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:31.399 he lands five point seven to eight strikes per minute, 0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:33.680 which is very very very high. But he also absorbs 0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:36.600 four point seventy one like he puts himself right in 0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:39.800 the line of fire. And Emmett is limited in his weapons, 0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:43.240 but the limits are he's either got nuclear weapons or nothing, 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.680 you know what I mean. So the so the consequences 0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.640 of getting that wrong against him can be catastrophic. 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:49.960 To me. 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:52.359 It's not just a place but inside the top ten, 0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:55.160 it's they're asking him a little bit to problem solve 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:58.120 because if you can work behind a jab, if you're patient, 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:01.279 if you can pressure, if you can set things up 0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:04.160 rather than I, you know, I kind of just bite 0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:07.279 down and go you you he this is a winnable fight. 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:08.759 I'm not saying that it's a scrub, but I'm saying 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:11.040 it's winnable for someone who is able to do those 0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:14.080 kinds of things. And we've seen that he's got, you know, 0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:18.040 incredible acrobatic You know that that that spinning shot he 0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:21.799 landed on on Gigachikazi was incredible. But he, you know, 0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:23.719 he takes a little bit of punishment to get there. 0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:25.480 Sometimes it takes a little bit of time to get there. 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:29.720 This is to me, the UFC asking him graduate also 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:32.840 not for nothing. Recall that you heard Laura Senko being like, 0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:34.480 you know, there's gonna be kind of like a violation 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:37.200 I'm paraphrasing, but that there's gonna be kind of like 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:42.080 a violence premium put on who the UFC promotes going forward. 0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:45.600 And it just feels like, look at this pairing. I'm 0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:47.839 not saying that that wouldn't have happened prior to her 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.360 making these statements about the future of the company, but 0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:53.560 what I am saying is it fits directly in line 0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:55.279 with that kind of a thing. 0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:57.280 Long may it rain for the future. 0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.719 Yeah, that so I didn't see this loora Cenko thing, 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:05.719 But that does seem semi accurate to me, right this 0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:07.840 doesn't it seem like that. That's kind of the That's 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:11.640 maybe the unspoken thing with the UFCS. Like I even 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:13.279 with just I think those last years start to cut 0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:15.000 you off struck. But I think I don't have the 0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:17.880 same opinion about both. But I think there was enough 0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:20.799 consternation around the Hamzad fight and the Islam. 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:23.400 Fights and other stuff that UFC. 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:24.799 Was just like, what the fuck I mean, so a 0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:27.439 guy likes most are you know, evil, like you're you're 0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:30.360 I just feel like that's you know, the kind of 0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:34.640 treatment of a guy like that, right is in that 0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:36.520 fight in print, it's just kind of like, well, we 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:37.879 want guys who are going to deliver again. 0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:40.160 I don't know if you ever sat in wait, like, 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:41.080 I don't know when the. 0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:44.520 UFCUH basically stopped doing this, but Dana used to always 0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:48.120 gather all the fighters on a card I think around 0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:51.640 the weighans essentially, and and tell them, you know, encourage 0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:53.719 them to go for broke to you know, die on 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:57.160 their shields all that stuff. Obviously that has changed over time, 0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:01.640 but I get the sense that that kind of mindset 0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:04.520 is returning. You know, I don't know why I said 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.280 that exactly, but there's just it's the indication is mostly 0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:10.400 within the matchmaking and uh and some of the guys 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:12.680 that they're promoting and how they're promoting them. It just 0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:14.640 kind of gives you that indication like this is like 0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:16.480 the violence at a premium is the way to say it, 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:19.160 because I feel like those kind of guys, if you're 0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:21.000 going to go in there and that's your mentality, it 0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:23.400 feels like you're going to get the rub and the 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:26.080 guys like Momsar, who's been how many fights I don't 0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:29.319 know in the UFC and doesn't have any finishes, is 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:30.399 going to have a hard time. 0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:30.680 Man. 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:32.359 You know, I think that that's going to be the 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:34.520 new way we look at the roster. It's not an 0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:36.880 automatic thing. If you put string together a bunch of wins, 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:39.719 it might come down to, uh, are you you know 0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:42.680 Carlos Prochausen like or you know those Michael Morales. Are 0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:44.480 you going in there to destroy the guy in front 0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:47.280 of you? And The UFC loves those guys right now. 0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:50.719 Yeah, again, I think they like both sides of the 0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:54.120 forchhet host equation. They love the high output and they 0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:57.200 kind of like, you know that he fucking gets banged 0:50:57.239 --> 0:50:59.960 up a little bit, least statistically speaking. Now, Long Island, look, 0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:04.160 he put this in the asset rundown ahead of the show. 0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:05.879 He long. 0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:09.080 I want's bring him in set this up for us. 0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:11.839 Look at the self satisfaction. 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.440 I mean you, I said it was an optional clip. 0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:16.640 You could play it if you want. 0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:18.759 But I have to play this clip here. I think 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:21.399 it's more roasting BC than it is me. Right, it's 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:22.200 not roasting anyone. 0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:24.480 This was just my bold prediction for twenty twenty six 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:25.120 at featherweight. 0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:27.799 All right, fair enough, let's go. I'm done rooting against 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:29.959 Long Island Lukes predictions. They're very Yeah, he's on fire. 0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:32.200 Let's go for our bold prediction. Let's go right to OCDA. 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:34.080 What's your bold prediction? I fed the waight for the 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:34.439 new year. 0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:37.560 This was similar to my women's bandon weight last year 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:39.000 when I said about Holly Holm. 0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:43.440 Josh Emmett will headline a UFC event in twenty twenty six. Okay, 0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:44.360 they milked. 0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:46.000 This guy for all these words for the headliners he 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:48.200 has lost, like top of my head, three in a row. 0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:50.560 Maybe even that ain't that bold, brother, that ain't that bold? 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:53.640 So BC calls me out. It wasn't that bold of 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:55.439 a prediction, but I mean it did come true. 0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:58.200 We're only yeah, I mean bold or not quite accurate. 0:51:58.440 --> 0:51:59.960 I have to say it's bald. 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:01.799 I mean that dude does not does not a letter, 0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:04.440 but it is at the meta APEX right, And I 0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:08.000 wonder sometimes do we consider these main events still? Like 0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:11.280 I know it's a main event, but like I don't know. 0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:13.200 Whenever I see an APEX event, I'm like, oh, good, 0:52:13.200 --> 0:52:14.280 I can hang out with my family. 0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:16.880 Unfortunately, that's what that is. 0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:18.960 I'm not kidding. That's if if they're on the road 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:21.080 for a fight night, that's different. Obviously, you know, numbered 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:23.719 event totally different. Yeah, you know, And I'm not saying 0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:26.080 I won't watch the APEX ones live, but like I 0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:27.239 can look at that and be like, oh, if I 0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:28.680 want to hang out with my family tonight, I can 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:32.520 do that because nobody fucking watching that ship. I will 0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:34.359 say this, do you see the jet you know Jack 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:37.560 Slack the Yeah, like yeah, he had a hilarious tweet 0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:39.279 when Dana was like, Yo, now it's gonna be the 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:43.080 meta motherfucking apex and uh he quotes tweeted. 0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:46.680 It and he goes genius business strategy to uh what 0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:47.320 did he say? 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:51.000 There's like a genius strategy to you know, give naming 0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:53.120 rights to the thing we all hate, you know what 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:53.439 I mean? 0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:57.960 It's so true. Now we got to say meta apex. 0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:00.480 I'm not You're not gonna play that game. 0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:02.759 I'm not saying meta apex. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.239 You know, that's just not a thing that's going to 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:07.040 happen on this on the show. For the stadium there 0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:09.040 in Washington will always be a RFK. 0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:13.680 No fuck RFK, it's gone. You know, it's I went 0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:16.560 on my first this is true. My first date with 0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:19.120 my wife was at RFK. It was a DC United 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:21.960 now and it was raining and you know, I don't 0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:22.920 know if you I don't know if you know this, 0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:25.440 but the stadium, the seats they would bounce. 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:27.200 And in fact, this is true. 0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:29.760 You might have seen the renderings of the new stadium 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:32.319 they want to build on that same property. And one 0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:34.080 of the things that has been not this is not 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:36.640 a joke. One of the things that's being requested is 0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:39.239 that they find a way to make in a safe, like, 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:43.160 you know, engineering controlled way to make the rows of 0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:45.719 the seats bounce. And I'm like, guys, I don't need 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:48.160 that at all. Oh, it was some of our fondest 0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:50.960 memories in uh going to games. 0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:53.680 No the fuck it wasn't. You were close to death. 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:56.919 Stop stop promoting this ship all right? 0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:59.040 Oh my lord, I never got to go there, but 0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:01.879 that the renderings, by the way, just look beautiful. That's 0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:03.600 one of the few stadiums I'm like, Okay, they might 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:04.359 get this thing right. 0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:05.279 They might get it right. 0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:07.240 That thing was it was a mix between the Kennedy 0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:09.440 Center and the old RFK. 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:12.000 You know, they actually did get it right. 0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:13.560 The last thing I'm gonna say on this too was 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:18.439 I've seen the Nats play there. I've seen concerts there. 0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:20.920 I've saw the old Redskins play. I've seen one of 0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:24.160 the Commanders didn't play there. DC United I've seen played, 0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:27.319 I've seen like every I've been in every version of 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:30.000 that stadium for however long it lasted. 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:32.640 I live down the street. I grew up on East 0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:36.160 Capitol Street, So yeah, anyway, it was. 0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:37.799 A big deal back in there because those teams are 0:54:37.800 --> 0:54:39.640 so good, the Redskins teams, they were so good that 0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:41.920 you always thought about like their home field advantage. 0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:43.000 This is a true story. 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:45.640 There was no there's a metro station there now, like 0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:47.840 right next to it is what's called the Stadium Armory, 0:54:48.160 --> 0:54:50.400 which is like a like a facility that the National 0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:53.080 Guard runs there. In fact, I saw on Spike TV. 0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:56.600 I was there. I saw Adrian Broner on Spike TV 0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:59.480 fight Ashley Theophane. Okay, that was. 0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:02.799 A rowdy crowd, but that metro didn't exist for the 0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:04.600 longest one. I grew up there, so people would just 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:09.200 walk down East Capitol Street and throw trash in your yard. 0:55:09.360 --> 0:55:11.600 So after every Redskins game, we had to go in 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:14.000 the yard and pick fucking trash out because it just 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:17.080 be like thousands of people coming in and out. It's crazy. 0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:19.399 All right, let's go to topic number three if we can. 0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:23.719 UFC commentator John Annix saying something I thought was very 0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:26.560 very interesting, namely, well, we'll play the clip here in 0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:30.000 just a second, but how he would change the UFC 0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:32.440 product if he had an opportunity to do so. Now 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:35.280 I don't want to. I don't want to spoil the answer. 0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:37.479 So let's do this, Chuck, I'll have a question for you. Okay, 0:55:37.520 --> 0:55:40.400 let's play this clip and let's react. Do we think 0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:45.200 that John Annex's ideas are what could improve the UFC product? 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:47.400 Where do you think the product is at this moment? 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:50.520 A lot has been made about that. I think that 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.560 just comes with the territory of getting more fans. But 0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:56.920 sometimes people say, oh, it was better ten years ago, 0:55:57.120 --> 0:55:59.640 or is that just something that we are going to see. 0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:02.560 There'll be people in ten years that say, right now 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:03.840 is the best moment, you know. 0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:06.319 I think our biggest challenge is the fact that our 0:56:06.400 --> 0:56:08.880 events are way too long, and we should have ten 0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:11.200 or eleven fights instead of fifteen. And even if you 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:13.719 want to make this broadcast five or six hours, and Hunter, 0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:15.719 I love you. Even if you wanted to make this 0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:17.840 five or six hours instead of eight, I'd be okay 0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:19.760 with it. But we ask a lot of our fans, 0:56:19.840 --> 0:56:22.960 even fans as rabid as yourselves, eight hours times forty 0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:25.880 one Saturdays, right, So if I could affect change in 0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:28.680 one way, it would be too And we have a 0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:32.560 lot of masters to serve right Television partners in different countries, 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:35.200 a lot of different things. A roster north of six hundred, 0:56:35.400 --> 0:56:38.160 getting fifty fighters signed on the Contender series every year, 0:56:38.200 --> 0:56:39.960 which I think is less than ideal. But if I 0:56:40.000 --> 0:56:43.040 could affect change in one way, and perhaps it's selfish, 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.560 because I'm a broadcaster that doesn't understand how we do 0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:48.040 back to back Super Bowls. Every time we crack a MIC, 0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:51.160 I would just shut I would cut one hundred and 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:54.440 fifty fighters off the roster. I would do ten fights 0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:56.840 a card and just make it a much more ingestible, 0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:58.239 palatable sporting event. 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:02.080 I don't hate that ideas, what about you, No, I 0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:03.080 don't hate them at all. 0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:06.240 And in fact, what he's asking for, Luke is basically 0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:08.640 to go back to the way it was, because if 0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:12.160 you look, I can remember very specifically doing a piece 0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:15.120 on this when they started to kind of boost the 0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:19.040 cards up to twelve thirteen fairly regularly a few years ago, 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:22.320 and if you went back to the UFC before UFC 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:24.240 one hundred, kind of going backwards, there were a lot 0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:28.760 of cards that were ten fights, nine fights, sometimes eleven fights, 0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:30.600 and I felt like from one hundred to two hundred, 0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:33.400 eleven was kind of the goal. You know, you'd always have, 0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:35.360 like the prelims would be listed and there'd be like 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:37.360 that one kind of outline, and then there'd be five prelims, 0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:41.320 and then there'd be five main card type things. Very 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:44.600 very easy to kind of watch all of those, But 0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:48.360 I find it extremely difficult to sit and watch fifteen 0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:51.880 fights and especially alive at an event. Like from his perspective, man, 0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:55.080 God bless them, because that what they're doing is just 0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:57.760 such a herculear thing. Every time there's a fifteen fight 0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:02.160 card to go for eight hours of you know, backstories, 0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:05.160 eight hours of information, eight hours of reads, all the 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:07.840 things that they do. That's just such a marathon. But 0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:10.720 it's a marathon too for us who are just spectators. 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:14.200 Sometimes you'd get to the to that main event and 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:16.160 they would mention some of the prelims, or you try 0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:17.720 to think back of the first fight on the prelims, 0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:19.440 and it feel like it was like a fortnight ago. 0:58:19.560 --> 0:58:21.439 It felt so far away that it didn't even belong 0:58:21.520 --> 0:58:24.080 to the event. That's a crazy thing to feel, you know. 0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:28.000 So I'm I'm all about it. I just I don't 0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:30.440 think that even the passion, like sometimes you're trying to 0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:32.680 create a passion in the room you want people to 0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:35.440 build towards the main event and feel like there's times 0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:36.920 where I feel like by the time they get to 0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:39.160 the main event, people are like, it's like a marathon. 0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:41.480 They're just barely getting to the to the finish line. 0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:43.840 That's not ideal. You want people to be like at 0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:46.000 that point, brought up to the highest moment. They've been 0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:49.360 anticipating it, like in the old days. And I think 0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:51.360 that is one way to do it. Ten fights, to 0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:53.800 me is ideal. Do five on the preglems and five, 0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:56.960 you know, do five main card, and that's that's still 0:58:56.960 --> 0:59:00.320 a very long show and you get every thing you 0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:01.640 need from You don't need fifteen. 0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:04.880 You don't need fifteen at all. Except here's the problem. 0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:07.360 Every time I see one of these things, it's like 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:09.640 and you heard, and it kind of allude to it, 0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:14.000 which is it's not hard to imagine ways in which 0:59:14.040 --> 0:59:16.240 you can make you could, don't know, revolutionize the product, 0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:19.240 but certainly I think the way he put it palatable, 0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:21.680 there are ways in which you can make this more palatable. 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:23.680 And again what he had recommended was going from eight 0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:26.480 to six or five hours, reduced a number of fights 0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:30.480 to a card for ten, and then sign fewer fighters 0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:33.240 from the Contender Series. Now, I want to point out 0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:36.960 something here. Contender Series season one signed sixteen fighters, but 0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:40.440 in the last three seasons season seven, eight to nine, respectively, 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:43.800 they signed forty six, forty two, and then forty six fighters. 0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:46.800 So like it has taken on an outsized importance as 0:59:46.800 --> 0:59:49.840 a feeder operation to then staff the ranks of what 0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:52.680 they have. This is the problem to me. It's that 0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:55.920 the product as it currently exists, for as good as 0:59:55.960 --> 0:59:59.640 it can be at times, is it's not designed to 0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:04.600 be ma maximally palatable, right. It is designed to fulfill 1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:08.920 a variety of content delivery needs. Right, So they owe 1:00:09.040 --> 1:00:11.760 partners content to begin with, how many events do they o? 1:00:11.800 --> 1:00:14.240 The owe thirty fight nights. They owe thirteen numbered events. 1:00:14.240 --> 1:00:16.480 That's part of it. They owe for when they're on 1:00:16.480 --> 1:00:18.640 linear television. Certainly this was a component and they've kind 1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:20.840 of kept the same thing, which was, yes, we've got 1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:23.240 the main card component, but then we also owe the prelims, 1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:26.080 the four fight prelims. We owe that to a component. 1:00:26.240 --> 1:00:27.440 And then you might say, oh, you can just cut 1:00:27.480 --> 1:00:30.000 off the other part, but you can't because those guys 1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:32.160 you have to kind of keep active as a way 1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:35.880 to staff the larger operation to fill nearly every weekend 1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:39.080 with fights. So like, it's built in a way so 1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:43.320 that it can be scaled maximally. That's why it's as 1:00:43.320 --> 1:00:44.800 big as it is. That's why the events are as 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:46.080 long as they are, and that's why they have as 1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:49.160 many events as possible because they're trying to take something 1:00:49.520 --> 1:00:52.120 and then pull it apart as much as possible to 1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:55.240 sell every piece of it. So like when he says, hey, 1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:56.520 wouldn't it be better go from. 1:00:56.480 --> 1:00:57.120 Eight to five? 1:00:57.400 --> 1:01:00.000 Yes, wouldn't it be better if we signed fewer contenders 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:02.720 series guys? Clearly wouldn't it be better by the way 1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:05.160 he says, cut one hundred and fifty guys from the roster, 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:09.440 no doubt. But they can't do that because the contractual 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:15.920 arrangements they've made around content, length and delivery preclude that possibility. 1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:18.920 That's kind of the issue. It's not designed to be like, 1:01:19.120 --> 1:01:21.120 what can we do to make Fight Night a more 1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:27.120 fast moving but cohesive experience. That's not really what it's about. 1:01:27.240 --> 1:01:29.200 It's about how do we stretch the shit out and 1:01:29.240 --> 1:01:31.440 sell it? This is why Chuck. This is why like 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:32.480 people are like, oh, what do you want? From the 1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:35.240 UFC product, the question is less about what I want 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:37.840 and what is just even possible. This is why the 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:40.600 move from ten to nine is actually a pretty big deal. 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:42.760 It's it is actually one of the few things they 1:01:42.800 --> 1:01:46.320 can do without disrupting the larger ecosystem. 1:01:46.800 --> 1:01:49.480 Yes, one percent, And you know it's funny that you 1:01:49.520 --> 1:01:52.080 mention it, because yes, it's the arrangements they've made that 1:01:52.160 --> 1:01:55.600 puts them into this situation where they kind of have 1:01:55.720 --> 1:01:58.320 to hold this many fights. But it is funny because 1:01:58.360 --> 1:02:01.200 the way the UFC kind of I guess hatched their 1:02:01.240 --> 1:02:04.440 ideology on to what they were going to do as 1:02:04.440 --> 1:02:06.240 a brand, what they're going to do as a as 1:02:06.280 --> 1:02:08.640 a as an event and as a sport was be 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:11.880 different than boxing. They were going to eliminate some of 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:14.520 the ceremony of boxing. They were going to be way 1:02:14.520 --> 1:02:18.240 more efficient, streamline and how they presented it. And uh, 1:02:18.360 --> 1:02:21.120 I feel like back in those days when they did that, 1:02:21.120 --> 1:02:23.160 that's that was one of the reasons it was so great. 1:02:23.200 --> 1:02:25.280 It was almost like they, you know, get those guys 1:02:25.280 --> 1:02:26.960 out of there, let's move on to the next. But 1:02:27.000 --> 1:02:30.439 they were it was all within a contained amount of time, 1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:33.440 and I guess you get into whatever they were trying 1:02:33.480 --> 1:02:36.200 to avoid with boxing from before. You know, you get 1:02:36.200 --> 1:02:39.480 into your own burden, right, like of having an eight 1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:42.120 hour event, and I mean it's just not ideal, even 1:02:42.160 --> 1:02:44.120 given all the situation, even all all the things that 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:47.000 you laid out, which is absolutely true, it's just not 1:02:47.120 --> 1:02:49.360 ideal for a fan base. It really isn't like you 1:02:49.400 --> 1:02:52.960 can't even retain the like you can't retain if the 1:02:53.040 --> 1:02:55.520 passion for that amount of time, right, like, whatever your 1:02:55.560 --> 1:02:57.440 love of the sport, that's a long time to be 1:02:58.920 --> 1:03:00.680 watching an event. 1:03:00.800 --> 1:03:04.280 It's just too much time. It is too much time. 1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:09.080 To the point you raise about the way they used 1:03:09.080 --> 1:03:12.400 to do things back then, it was them trying to 1:03:12.440 --> 1:03:14.440 solve for like how do we make this better? Oh 1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:18.440 boxing has you know, press conferences for example, like Whire. Yeah, 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:20.560 I mean the UFC press conference has changed over time too. 1:03:20.600 --> 1:03:22.400 It used to be mostly just for the press. Now 1:03:22.400 --> 1:03:24.720 it's just a pep rally for the fans, which you know, 1:03:25.800 --> 1:03:28.120 I don't like that, but whatever, it is what it is. 1:03:29.360 --> 1:03:32.000 But the reality is Chuck, Like back then, it'd be like, oh, 1:03:32.040 --> 1:03:34.160 boxing used to have like this guy would get up there, 1:03:34.160 --> 1:03:35.720 and then his manager would get up there, and then 1:03:35.840 --> 1:03:38.200 everyone takes turns of the days and it's slow and 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:38.840 it's painful. 1:03:38.880 --> 1:03:40.160 And then Dana was like, you know what we're gonna do. 1:03:40.160 --> 1:03:41.320 I'm just gonna come out there be like, who's got 1:03:41.320 --> 1:03:42.560 the first question? Right? 1:03:42.800 --> 1:03:45.800 It was this way to streamline against what you consider 1:03:45.840 --> 1:03:49.800 to be boxing's inefficiency. But because they are now you know, 1:03:49.920 --> 1:03:51.840 I've said this before, I made this. I made this 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:54.000 point on a recent interview I did on on where 1:03:54.080 --> 1:03:55.800 Josh Nason. I don't know if you know, you know, 1:03:55.880 --> 1:03:57.880 Josh yeah, I know, Josh yeah yeah. And I was 1:03:57.880 --> 1:03:59.720 talking about this point, like all content, if you go 1:03:59.720 --> 1:04:03.880 to Spotify, if you are on Netflix, the goal is 1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:06.920 just to keep you on the platform as long as possible. 1:04:06.920 --> 1:04:09.120 It's not really about like, is Netflix trying to give 1:04:09.120 --> 1:04:11.360 you the very best programming that they can develop. No, 1:04:11.880 --> 1:04:14.280 They're trying to give you the kind of programming and 1:04:14.320 --> 1:04:16.800 the kind of use of the app that just keeps 1:04:16.800 --> 1:04:19.520 you on the app. Spotify is the same thing. The 1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:22.280 design is that you just stay on the app. What 1:04:22.320 --> 1:04:25.600 you listen to them is frankly immaterial, whether it's podcasting 1:04:25.720 --> 1:04:26.840 or not. But the whole point is that they're going 1:04:26.920 --> 1:04:29.440 to try and find ways to keep you on the 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:31.840 app a, Twitter and all the other social media as 1:04:31.840 --> 1:04:34.080 are the same thing. What they measure is time on 1:04:34.240 --> 1:04:36.680 app is is not how much you look at any 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:39.680 one reel, it's how many reels you look at during 1:04:39.720 --> 1:04:42.840 one kind of sitting. It feels like sports leagues are 1:04:42.840 --> 1:04:44.240 now trying to do a lot of this too, where 1:04:44.240 --> 1:04:46.480 the NFL is expanding into Europe and now they're going 1:04:46.520 --> 1:04:50.520 to Brazil, and it's cool to see some kind of internationalization, 1:04:51.040 --> 1:04:54.280 but now you're starting to stretch that product in ways 1:04:54.560 --> 1:04:56.400 that just feels a little bit less palatable. And if 1:04:56.400 --> 1:04:59.040 that's the way you're going to arrange your product, it 1:04:59.120 --> 1:05:01.000 makes some of these concer iterations about how do you 1:05:01.040 --> 1:05:03.560 fix fans sentiment or a dress fans sentiment on the 1:05:03.560 --> 1:05:05.760 back end kind of remote to me. 1:05:05.880 --> 1:05:08.120 Yeah, it feels like, now, do you still watch an 1:05:08.200 --> 1:05:11.000 event that's fifteen fights deep? Do you still watch from 1:05:11.000 --> 1:05:13.320 the very opening prelim on? I feel like you kind 1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:15.920 of do, because I'll see sometimes when I'm not able 1:05:15.960 --> 1:05:17.440 to get there, I'll see you that you're one of 1:05:17.480 --> 1:05:20.360 the people who actually tell us what's happening on those 1:05:20.360 --> 1:05:21.160 early prelims. 1:05:21.280 --> 1:05:23.959 Yes, So what I'll say is If it's a numbered event, 1:05:23.960 --> 1:05:26.400 I definitely watched the whole no question about it. If 1:05:26.440 --> 1:05:28.600 it's a fight night, I might watch the whole thing. 1:05:29.120 --> 1:05:31.160 If it's an apex event, I'll catch them, motherfucker the 1:05:31.200 --> 1:05:34.560 next Not fair enough, man, I mean, dude, I can 1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:36.960 barely like for a for a post fight show, I 1:05:36.960 --> 1:05:40.520 can generate a pretty respectable audience, yea for fight night stuff. 1:05:40.640 --> 1:05:42.160 You know, it depends on where it is, like that 1:05:42.320 --> 1:05:45.000 U se kuitar one, who's fine. Yeah, for an apex like, 1:05:45.040 --> 1:05:47.080 no one's watching the apex cards, like, no one. The 1:05:47.120 --> 1:05:49.760 only people watching those are degenerate, you know, the dogs. 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:55.320 And then that's it. Yeah, exactly, it's the main card, 1:05:55.400 --> 1:05:56.680 Minute and his friends. 1:05:56.720 --> 1:06:00.000 That's who's there. 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This was hosted 1:09:22.120 --> 1:09:25.680 and I think run by legendary referee Big John McCarthy. 1:09:25.760 --> 1:09:28.479 And during the course of this they were talking about 1:09:28.520 --> 1:09:31.120 ipokes in MMA. And there's a couple of different things 1:09:31.160 --> 1:09:33.479 I want to reference. Put the screenshot of the This 1:09:33.560 --> 1:09:35.680 is the article here I screwed up. Is what it 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:39.360 says inside the room where MMA referees sort through the good, 1:09:39.479 --> 1:09:41.360 the bad, and the chaotic. Of course, this comes from 1:09:41.560 --> 1:09:45.280 your coworker, Ben. Folks over there love Ben at On crowned. 1:09:45.320 --> 1:09:48.400 He went to this event and there was a bunch 1:09:48.439 --> 1:09:51.040 of regulators there, including Andy Foster, the head of the 1:09:51.120 --> 1:09:53.920 California Athletic Commission. We'll talk about that in just a second, 1:09:53.960 --> 1:09:59.040 but basically, basically, Chuck, during the course of this what 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:04.439 Ben reports is that a the MMA referees recognize that 1:10:04.880 --> 1:10:08.080 the that ipokes in MMA are a not only a 1:10:08.120 --> 1:10:12.559 long standing problem, but an even worse problem today, and 1:10:12.600 --> 1:10:15.640 that on top of that, shouts to Big John McCarthy 1:10:15.840 --> 1:10:18.880 and others apparently along with him, he basically told the 1:10:18.920 --> 1:10:23.800 referees you're you're at fault on here. You won't penalize anything, 1:10:23.920 --> 1:10:26.920 and as a consequence, we now have a culture of 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:33.160 impunity that makes no sense. So does this prove, Chuck 1:10:33.800 --> 1:10:37.479 that belly aching from both dogs like you and me, 1:10:38.120 --> 1:10:40.080 as well as the fan base as well as the 1:10:40.120 --> 1:10:44.640 fan base ultimately plays a slow but critical role in 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:47.480 how regulatory change happens in the sport. 1:10:48.200 --> 1:10:48.880 I do think so. 1:10:49.920 --> 1:10:52.559 And a part of that obviously is like with social media, 1:10:53.120 --> 1:10:55.599 like we'll see things. We've seen this for years where 1:10:55.640 --> 1:10:58.519 like something will happen and like we'll all talk about 1:10:58.560 --> 1:11:00.360 it and it moves on. But the ipoke thing is 1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:03.000 one of those is one of those issues that we've 1:11:03.040 --> 1:11:05.760 had in our crosshairs for a long time. They went 1:11:05.800 --> 1:11:08.240 through the you know, the gloves change thing where they're 1:11:08.280 --> 1:11:11.320 trying to like solve it this way. They've they've people 1:11:11.400 --> 1:11:13.120 have had different theories as to what you can do. 1:11:14.200 --> 1:11:16.120 Most people are a base. I feel like we've got 1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:18.000 to the point now where people are like, hey man, 1:11:18.040 --> 1:11:19.880 you either you've got to penalize it. If you're not 1:11:19.880 --> 1:11:22.640 going to penalize it, it will never change. We'll just 1:11:22.720 --> 1:11:25.240 keep doing the same things again and again. And I 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:29.400 feel like during this particular one, that's what showed up 1:11:29.439 --> 1:11:31.200 and it is I think it is kind of like 1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:34.960 a peer pressure situation. The fans, media, the media talks 1:11:35.000 --> 1:11:37.360 about it a great deal, uh, and you know, people 1:11:37.400 --> 1:11:41.200 are asking fighters about it more and more. And I 1:11:41.200 --> 1:11:43.320 thought it was very telling or not maybe not telling, 1:11:43.360 --> 1:11:45.240 but it's funny. I guess in its own way that 1:11:45.280 --> 1:11:48.280 one of the uh, one of the great examples within 1:11:48.520 --> 1:11:51.519 the series of videos they showed at that summit was 1:11:51.520 --> 1:11:55.000 of John Jones just constantly, you know, using his hands 1:11:55.040 --> 1:11:57.280 kind of thrusting them out with the fingers out and 1:11:58.000 --> 1:12:00.240 you know how how this goes unpunished and that sort 1:12:00.280 --> 1:12:04.040 of thing. We're at that point when you have a 1:12:04.120 --> 1:12:07.760 guy like Cyril Gonne who puts two fingers into the 1:12:07.800 --> 1:12:11.439 sockets of you know, Tom Aspacall, who's the champion and 1:12:11.560 --> 1:12:13.880 represents big business for you, and you're putting him now 1:12:13.880 --> 1:12:16.080 on the shelf, and definitely that it probably needs to 1:12:16.120 --> 1:12:18.280 be addressed. You know, you don't want to, like you, 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:20.320 if you have a hazard. If it was any other 1:12:20.320 --> 1:12:23.080 sport and there was a hazard out there that could 1:12:23.080 --> 1:12:26.040 be avoided or at least be taken, like made to 1:12:26.120 --> 1:12:29.519 be punished a little more severely, this would be the 1:12:29.560 --> 1:12:31.600 moment right like where you have a guy who we 1:12:31.640 --> 1:12:33.759 don't even know if he'll return. I know that sounds 1:12:33.840 --> 1:12:36.479 kind of like, you know, an exaggeration, but we don't 1:12:36.600 --> 1:12:39.040 really really don't know if Tom Aspinall will return. 1:12:39.240 --> 1:12:40.000 I hope he does. 1:12:40.520 --> 1:12:43.040 But you get into that situation you're like, we better 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:45.559 address it, and I feel like it had we The 1:12:45.640 --> 1:12:49.800 media and the fans have talked about this fairly consistently 1:12:50.280 --> 1:12:53.200 since that time, and since it's in the news, I'm 1:12:53.240 --> 1:12:55.720 glad to see that they're talking about it. And I 1:12:55.760 --> 1:12:58.320 think a key distinguishing thing within that summit it was 1:12:58.360 --> 1:13:01.559 just getting rid of the intentional verse is unintentional? Right, Yes, 1:13:02.080 --> 1:13:04.280 that's the big part of it, because for the longest 1:13:04.280 --> 1:13:06.720 time they're like, I was accidental, was accidental? Well, most 1:13:06.800 --> 1:13:09.600 things are probably accidental, but it really comes down to 1:13:09.840 --> 1:13:11.439 is it a foul or not? And I feel like 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:13.400 that's finally where they're getting down to it. 1:13:13.800 --> 1:13:16.479 Yes, as you indicated, the head of the California Athletic Commission, 1:13:16.479 --> 1:13:19.679 Andy Foster, said, they didn't. I mean, obviously this stuff 1:13:19.720 --> 1:13:21.880 has to be voted on and they can't just declare 1:13:21.960 --> 1:13:23.840 what it's going to be. He doesn't have unilateral power 1:13:23.840 --> 1:13:26.280 in that sense. But to your point, Chuck, when he indicated, 1:13:26.439 --> 1:13:28.000 was they're just going to get or they're looking, I 1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:30.960 should say, looking to get rid of the intentional versus 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:33.760 unintentional foul for all the reasons that we've already articulated, 1:13:34.040 --> 1:13:36.320 which is like if someone fouls Lebron in the NBA, 1:13:36.439 --> 1:13:38.519 if it's I mean, if it's obviously egregious, they can 1:13:38.520 --> 1:13:40.479 add a little bit extra to it. But the basic 1:13:40.520 --> 1:13:42.920 point is that it doesn't matter if it was intentional 1:13:43.040 --> 1:13:45.679 or not. For the most part, did a foul happen 1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:48.000 is the question, and if a foul happened, then it 1:13:48.040 --> 1:13:48.919 has to be penalized. 1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:51.840 I mean where we literally got to the point where. 1:13:53.760 --> 1:13:57.000 Fighters were openly saying why wouldn't I cheat, and then 1:13:57.040 --> 1:14:00.599 in fact that they do cheat. I've interviewed multiple both 1:14:00.640 --> 1:14:03.160 on and off the record. I view Corey Sanhagen and 1:14:03.160 --> 1:14:05.200 I asked him, have you ever like intentionally done something 1:14:05.200 --> 1:14:05.320 like that? 1:14:05.400 --> 1:14:06.040 I say, yeah, of course. 1:14:06.080 --> 1:14:07.639 There was a guy that I think either was biting 1:14:07.680 --> 1:14:10.400 him or doing something so he like either bit him 1:14:10.400 --> 1:14:12.000 back or you know, committed some other He did an 1:14:12.040 --> 1:14:14.320 eye gouge, but with some other kind of foul just 1:14:14.360 --> 1:14:16.960 as a way to like set the tone for someone 1:14:17.000 --> 1:14:19.639 that was just something that was just going unpunished. Now 1:14:19.760 --> 1:14:21.960 to what extent this will affect regional MMA where you 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:23.960 get a lesser quality of ref I don't know. 1:14:24.240 --> 1:14:26.519 Also, I'll just say this chuck, you know. I do 1:14:26.560 --> 1:14:30.400 think that the answer is does the slow accumulation. 1:14:29.720 --> 1:14:35.320 Of evidence matter to MMA regulators over time and the 1:14:35.320 --> 1:14:37.080 belly aching that you see from folks like us, And 1:14:37.120 --> 1:14:39.719 then the fan base. I do think that that it does. 1:14:40.000 --> 1:14:41.719 It does affect this so like there is a value 1:14:41.720 --> 1:14:43.760 to it. However, what I will say is it is 1:14:43.840 --> 1:14:48.240 painfully slow, glacial, and at times insanely frustrating, and you 1:14:48.439 --> 1:14:51.479 just can't look at that as like a this is 1:14:51.520 --> 1:14:54.439 not an efficient way to do regulation, you know what 1:14:54.479 --> 1:14:57.519 I mean. It has to get to like overwhelming stages 1:14:57.560 --> 1:14:58.840 before they really act. 1:15:00.000 --> 1:15:02.759 You tell me too, man, because like one of the 1:15:02.840 --> 1:15:06.960 problems with this is in an MMA attack, you know, 1:15:07.000 --> 1:15:09.080 you need the dexterity of your fingers obviously in the 1:15:09.080 --> 1:15:12.320 grappling game and like all of that stuff. It's been 1:15:12.400 --> 1:15:16.200 very difficult basically for them to institute or you know, 1:15:16.240 --> 1:15:18.479 to kind of like say like, hey, guys, keep your fingers, 1:15:18.640 --> 1:15:20.400 you know, don't don't have your fingers out of that 1:15:20.439 --> 1:15:23.679 sort of thing. Can this happen? I mean I feel 1:15:23.720 --> 1:15:25.960 like if you if you're if you're taking an automatic point, 1:15:26.040 --> 1:15:28.080 especially in a ten point must system where it matters 1:15:28.120 --> 1:15:30.680 in a three round fight, and in MMA as big 1:15:30.720 --> 1:15:33.800 as it does, I feel like fighters would instinctively keep 1:15:33.880 --> 1:15:36.160 their fists closed, don't you like, over the course of time, 1:15:36.280 --> 1:15:39.320 even with you know, the aspects of like maybe I 1:15:39.400 --> 1:15:42.040 need to be defending, you know, a single like fingers 1:15:42.080 --> 1:15:43.840 can come out when those things happen. But I feel 1:15:43.840 --> 1:15:46.519 like the instinct would eventually take hold that you got 1:15:46.560 --> 1:15:47.960 to have your your fist clinch, right. 1:15:49.040 --> 1:15:51.040 I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. 1:15:51.240 --> 1:15:54.479 I when I say that, I mean it quite literally, 1:15:54.520 --> 1:15:56.599 like I don't know, I don't know if that's the answer. 1:15:56.680 --> 1:15:59.840 I have been of the belief that one of the 1:15:59.840 --> 1:16:05.280 things I really don't like about the way the UFC 1:16:05.360 --> 1:16:10.639 approaches this is it just seems like they don't take 1:16:11.280 --> 1:16:13.800 the technology component of it as seriously as I would 1:16:13.800 --> 1:16:15.439 have hoped, which is really weird for a company that 1:16:15.520 --> 1:16:18.679 in general, you know, with the UFCPI for example, leans 1:16:18.720 --> 1:16:21.519 into a lot of like scientific best practices. You know, 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:24.320 I think most people would think that the PI, certainly 1:16:24.360 --> 1:16:26.880 at this stage anyway, is really good about that, and 1:16:26.920 --> 1:16:30.720 I would largely agree, you know, everything being state of 1:16:30.720 --> 1:16:32.960 the art, everything being you know, a leading cause of 1:16:33.000 --> 1:16:37.720 this or that, having a glove geometry that forces it 1:16:37.720 --> 1:16:39.880 over like for example, I've talked to I've made a 1:16:39.920 --> 1:16:41.920 video about this on my personal channel. The Association of 1:16:41.960 --> 1:16:45.040 Boxing Commissions looked into it, and what they basically found 1:16:45.160 --> 1:16:47.840 was that glove geometry where it has it curves the 1:16:47.880 --> 1:16:50.960 fingers over. These are the only ones that have statistical 1:16:51.320 --> 1:16:55.320 excuse me, statistical significance in showing reduced eye injury. Those 1:16:55.320 --> 1:16:57.200 are the only ones. And so it's like, if you 1:16:57.240 --> 1:16:59.439 have this kind of evidence and you have the Medical 1:16:59.560 --> 1:17:02.799 Board of the uh excuse the Association of ringside Physicians, 1:17:02.960 --> 1:17:04.960 So you have a you have a group of doctors 1:17:04.960 --> 1:17:06.559 being like that, we think this is a good idea, 1:17:06.960 --> 1:17:08.679 and then UFC being like, yeah, we don't care. 1:17:09.840 --> 1:17:10.800 I don't get that part. 1:17:10.840 --> 1:17:13.280 I think that to me seems like a better solution 1:17:13.439 --> 1:17:16.760 or at least at a bare minimum. You have road 1:17:16.800 --> 1:17:19.639 to UFC, you have contender series, you have all these things. 1:17:19.800 --> 1:17:22.000 You have places where you don't have to affect the 1:17:22.000 --> 1:17:24.840 core UFC product, where you could test this stuff out. 1:17:25.479 --> 1:17:27.320 I would like to see more of an open I 1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:30.920 like a better attitude towards using that. 1:17:31.360 --> 1:17:36.439 Yeah, absolutely, man, your prediction, like in terms of ipokes, 1:17:36.479 --> 1:17:39.720 the amount that we've seen, especially ipokes right like, like 1:17:39.760 --> 1:17:42.360 do you think that we set we see people, you know, 1:17:43.280 --> 1:17:46.000 punishing that in the new year, like where it's like 1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:47.240 the first defense. 1:17:46.880 --> 1:17:49.080 Becomes a point. Do you think that we see that 1:17:49.160 --> 1:17:52.400 kind of advancement. I think the first offense thing. 1:17:53.760 --> 1:17:55.880 Can be a good tool, but I think is a 1:17:55.880 --> 1:17:59.000 little bit heavy handed for most If you've got someone 1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:02.479 who has a demonstrate history of either negligence or ipokes whatever, 1:18:02.960 --> 1:18:05.720 or someone who's been a unique victim to that, then 1:18:05.760 --> 1:18:08.000 I think taking the first point is important. But I 1:18:08.040 --> 1:18:10.120 think the question is not that one. The question is 1:18:10.640 --> 1:18:12.880 the second one. That's the one that I think is 1:18:12.880 --> 1:18:15.519 the most important for most people. Again, in most context, 1:18:16.000 --> 1:18:18.960 if they don't do shit, then then they're doing nothing. 1:18:19.280 --> 1:18:21.880 That is really the demarcation line for me, to be 1:18:21.880 --> 1:18:24.479 honest with you. Okay, I think that one's the most important, 1:18:25.080 --> 1:18:28.479 but I have to say hardened to be like, well, 1:18:28.520 --> 1:18:30.760 finally these motherfuckers are getting around to this shit, you 1:18:30.760 --> 1:18:31.240 know what I mean. 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:33.680 Yeah, it's always nice because you don't never hear from 1:18:33.720 --> 1:18:35.639 them otherwise, Like these types of things are at least 1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:38.000 like you know, it's like you're like, oh, there is 1:18:38.040 --> 1:18:40.679 some kind of accountability. At least he's showing in videos 1:18:40.680 --> 1:18:42.400 and saying like, hey, we're being idiots, you know that 1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:42.880 sort of thing. 1:18:43.000 --> 1:18:44.920 No, No, they call me when they get mad at me. 1:18:45.200 --> 1:18:45.920 That's what happens. 1:18:48.080 --> 1:18:50.240 Say something like these people don't care, and then a 1:18:50.240 --> 1:18:52.360 bunch of regulators will call me and be like, this 1:18:52.520 --> 1:18:54.280 is totally not fair, and I'm like, I got to 1:18:54.320 --> 1:18:55.360 tell you, I think that it is. 1:18:55.520 --> 1:18:57.400 Yeah, Douglas Crosby one of those guys that gives you 1:18:57.400 --> 1:18:57.680 a ring. 1:18:58.040 --> 1:19:02.320 He won't stop fucking texting me, and every time I 1:19:02.360 --> 1:19:06.800 see it, I'm like, all right, with that out of 1:19:06.800 --> 1:19:08.599 the way, let's talk about topic number five, a bit 1:19:08.600 --> 1:19:10.639 of a boxing round up, and as we mentioned, Chuck 1:19:10.720 --> 1:19:12.040 is going to be going to Vegas to go to 1:19:12.120 --> 1:19:14.800 ZUFA Boxing number one. We'll talk about some of that 1:19:15.280 --> 1:19:17.280 a little bit just a second. Let's start with a 1:19:17.280 --> 1:19:20.840 bit of an opening piece of news. Ji Opataia has 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:23.840 signed with Zufa Boxing. As you can see a cruiserweight 1:19:23.880 --> 1:19:26.080 twenty nine to zero six foot two reach of seventy 1:19:26.120 --> 1:19:28.560 six inches here on the graphic, He's got twenty three KOs. 1:19:28.720 --> 1:19:30.720 For folks who are MMA fans and don't really know 1:19:30.720 --> 1:19:33.360 the significance of it, ji Opataia has a claim to 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:35.080 being the best cruiserweight in the world. I think he's 1:19:35.120 --> 1:19:37.599 the Ring magazine and IBF champion. The other one would 1:19:37.600 --> 1:19:41.360 be Zerdo Ramirez, who I think is WBA, maybe WBCs. 1:19:41.360 --> 1:19:43.800 I think WBA champion, but in any event, it'd be 1:19:43.840 --> 1:19:46.760 one or two of those guys. This is interesting, right, Chuck, 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:49.360 because on the one hand, they're starting in the APEX, 1:19:49.439 --> 1:19:52.439 starting modestly. I don't think Callum Walsh has a super 1:19:52.439 --> 1:19:55.360 bright future, but it's maybe fine for like a first event, 1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:59.040 main event to have him in this particular circumstance. But 1:19:59.600 --> 1:20:01.320 you know, on the one hand, they're like, oh, we're 1:20:01.360 --> 1:20:05.040 signing a bunch of prospects, they're trying to sponsor USA boxing. 1:20:05.400 --> 1:20:08.439 But on the other hand, Opataia is a no bullshit signing. 1:20:08.479 --> 1:20:11.679 He is a very very very good fighter, still young enough, 1:20:11.760 --> 1:20:15.360 represents Australia, undefeated as you saw, and arguably is the 1:20:15.400 --> 1:20:16.840 best in the weight class. 1:20:17.200 --> 1:20:18.880 How do you explain Zufa's. 1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:21.160 Ambition on the one side signing prospects and starting in 1:20:21.200 --> 1:20:24.639 the APEX, and on the other side this is a legit, 1:20:24.920 --> 1:20:26.040 no bullshit signing. 1:20:26.320 --> 1:20:28.280 Well, do you get like the sense like you're mentioning 1:20:28.360 --> 1:20:31.320 the production. You know, crew may not be just ready 1:20:31.400 --> 1:20:35.559 yet to show everything and build everything at once as 1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:37.439 they get into a new era. I wonder, especially with 1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:40.760 the ZUFA boxing if this thing is just harder than 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:45.200 they understood, and like everything has been slower to develop, 1:20:45.320 --> 1:20:47.880 you know, over the course of getting this together, because 1:20:48.400 --> 1:20:50.280 we were talking about this last week. I mean it 1:20:50.680 --> 1:20:53.280 felt like not knowing the main event just a couple 1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:57.519 of weeks before the main event was so anti like 1:20:57.720 --> 1:21:00.360 counter ZUFA, you know, like for the longest time knew 1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:02.479 everything that was kind of coming up within something because 1:21:02.479 --> 1:21:05.280 the promo packages were already made and this one was 1:21:05.400 --> 1:21:07.840 very slow to be put together. And then you get 1:21:07.880 --> 1:21:10.880 Callum obviously is like the main event, which I think 1:21:11.240 --> 1:21:13.320 a lot of us predicted because the UFC has been 1:21:13.360 --> 1:21:16.400 behind him. I was a little surprised it was going 1:21:16.479 --> 1:21:20.799 to be at the Apex because you just mentioned it earlier. 1:21:20.840 --> 1:21:22.840 Like a lot of people don't pay attention to these events, 1:21:22.880 --> 1:21:25.880 so it almost cottons closer to like a slap fight 1:21:26.000 --> 1:21:28.400 or something like as an aside from the UFC than 1:21:28.439 --> 1:21:32.559 it does in actual unveiling of its new product. But 1:21:32.840 --> 1:21:35.120 I would say that the signal is that they intend 1:21:35.240 --> 1:21:37.920 to change that, and maybe that that is kind of 1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:39.920 where they're at with it right Like they're going to 1:21:40.000 --> 1:21:43.360 try to start rostering some bigger names, putting on some 1:21:43.400 --> 1:21:46.959 bigger fights and hopefully they get out of the apex. 1:21:47.000 --> 1:21:49.599 But that's kind of where it's at, to be honest, 1:21:49.600 --> 1:21:52.240 I feel like right now it's just kind of you 1:21:52.320 --> 1:21:54.360 tell me your sense on it too, because like right now, 1:21:54.400 --> 1:21:56.879 I feel like it's just been kind of a mysterious unveiling. 1:21:57.520 --> 1:22:00.000 That was the first piece, like you know, sign up, 1:22:00.120 --> 1:22:02.719 signing a big name to to some kind of semblance 1:22:02.760 --> 1:22:03.040 of like. 1:22:03.000 --> 1:22:05.120 Okay, here's the strategy, here's what we're going to do. 1:22:06.160 --> 1:22:08.680 I think, uh to me, you know, you saw that 1:22:08.720 --> 1:22:10.880 we we can't play it because of the Rolling Stones thing. 1:22:11.200 --> 1:22:13.320 But you saw the video that came out with Dana 1:22:13.400 --> 1:22:17.320 promoting zupa boxing, just Max Kelman narrating Max kellerming. 1:22:16.960 --> 1:22:18.880 Won't what'd you say? What in the North Korea? 1:22:19.880 --> 1:22:23.040 I mean, just like Max Kellerman just there. I mean, 1:22:23.040 --> 1:22:24.559 I don't, I don't even know who he is anymore. 1:22:24.560 --> 1:22:26.160 But the point I'm trying to make is if you 1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:29.800 listen to the language, it's very ambition oriented and like 1:22:30.280 --> 1:22:33.320 big picture and you know, who can fix It's almost 1:22:33.360 --> 1:22:36.160 like who's here to fix boxing? Like this big broad 1:22:36.200 --> 1:22:39.439 ambition and I think Opataia fits onto that side of things. 1:22:39.840 --> 1:22:43.000 But as you indicated, you know, let me ask just 1:22:43.000 --> 1:22:45.840 a basic question, who is the ZUFA boxing matchmaker, Who 1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:48.120 is the ZUFA boxing scout clips that they have you 1:22:48.160 --> 1:22:50.479 know what I mean, they don't who the who the 1:22:50.479 --> 1:22:52.599 fuck are their teams? And the reason why I asked 1:22:52.640 --> 1:22:55.479 this is because I was there in Vegas, as I 1:22:55.720 --> 1:22:58.599 think I told you previously, for the Canelo Crawford car right, 1:22:58.680 --> 1:23:01.160 and the UFC team, who probably didn't want me in there. 1:23:01.280 --> 1:23:03.120 They were so overwhelmed they were like, yeah, I just 1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:04.560 go on and we don't even give a fuck, you know, 1:23:04.760 --> 1:23:08.200 because they had the San Antonio card and Kendella Crawford. 1:23:08.200 --> 1:23:10.080 Now granted that was the same weekend, but so is 1:23:10.120 --> 1:23:12.519 this So I mean, it's different days, but it's essentially 1:23:12.520 --> 1:23:15.360 the same weekend. I don't think they've even built out 1:23:15.360 --> 1:23:18.680 the internal infrastructure. I don't think to make all of 1:23:18.720 --> 1:23:21.000 this work. And so I think you can see where 1:23:21.040 --> 1:23:23.120 there are like the eyes are on the prize. But 1:23:23.280 --> 1:23:25.519 on the other hand, this is just the reality in 1:23:25.560 --> 1:23:27.760 front of them as they slowly kind of inch their 1:23:27.800 --> 1:23:30.000 way forward. That's my sense of thing. 1:23:30.080 --> 1:23:32.240 Did you think that they would be able to do 1:23:32.320 --> 1:23:34.640 more with the with you know, at this point when 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:37.080 they're ready to roll out their first event. Did you 1:23:37.200 --> 1:23:38.920 think that they would be bigger and that they would 1:23:38.920 --> 1:23:41.320 already have more going for it at this point? 1:23:43.240 --> 1:23:48.000 Yes, But in retrospect, I don't think that it matters. 1:23:48.040 --> 1:23:49.880 I really don't. I think that. 1:23:51.800 --> 1:23:54.920 One the ALIAC changes haven't gone into place yet. 1:23:55.080 --> 1:23:58.200 True. I mean, okay, the legislation hasn't passed. It's not 1:23:58.200 --> 1:23:58.840 like it's passed. 1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:02.400 But the bill, by the way, goes to mark up tomorrow, 1:24:02.479 --> 1:24:05.479 so we'll see if in what any changes take place 1:24:05.479 --> 1:24:06.280 as a consequence. 1:24:06.640 --> 1:24:07.160 So there's that. 1:24:08.240 --> 1:24:12.559 The other thing I would say is again between like, 1:24:12.720 --> 1:24:16.200 I can't overstate this. Just to get the UFC on 1:24:16.400 --> 1:24:19.599 Paramount show ready to go, they had to take a 1:24:19.640 --> 1:24:23.280 forty day break, you know, just to get that going, 1:24:23.360 --> 1:24:25.280 and then they want to add in on top of 1:24:25.320 --> 1:24:28.160 it the ZUFA boxing component. There was really no way 1:24:28.200 --> 1:24:30.880 to do it other than this, to be honest with you, 1:24:31.000 --> 1:24:34.479 given the internal constraints of what they're trying to build. 1:24:34.560 --> 1:24:37.320 So at first you're like, oh, well, that's it, But 1:24:37.360 --> 1:24:40.200 then when you think about it, you're like, they're just. 1:24:40.120 --> 1:24:41.720 Getting started, you know what I mean? 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:44.080 Yeah, And I mean the way that he's kind of 1:24:44.160 --> 1:24:46.479 laid it out. I will say that Dana has kind 1:24:46.520 --> 1:24:49.720 of I think he's pointed this out to an extent, right, 1:24:49.760 --> 1:24:50.880 that it would be a little bit more of a 1:24:50.880 --> 1:24:55.240 slow build. They would try to build stars within their model, 1:24:55.240 --> 1:24:57.320 and they would do I think he said, only one 1:24:57.680 --> 1:25:00.920 ZUFA boxing card per month, right, So that's a pretty 1:25:01.200 --> 1:25:04.200 that's a pretty like realistic way to go about it. 1:25:04.920 --> 1:25:05.559 I get. 1:25:05.680 --> 1:25:07.599 I'm a little bit anxious, I guess to see if 1:25:07.600 --> 1:25:10.120 I can find any answers as to what's what the 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:12.320 plan is all that stuff when I go out there 1:25:12.320 --> 1:25:16.320 this week and uh and take it in, We'll see 1:25:16.320 --> 1:25:16.920 how it all works. 1:25:16.920 --> 1:25:17.000 Man. 1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:19.200 But I have you been in the APEX before, Because 1:25:19.240 --> 1:25:20.960 when I've been in there in the past, it's just 1:25:21.960 --> 1:25:25.599 the events themselves, like without that real like a real audience. 1:25:26.000 --> 1:25:27.639 They're tough, they're tough to watch. 1:25:27.640 --> 1:25:29.800 So I'm like, it'd be very interesting now, like it's 1:25:29.840 --> 1:25:32.160 not even MMA, it's a boxing event, and we'll see 1:25:32.479 --> 1:25:35.000 the crossover media, like who's there like some of the 1:25:35.040 --> 1:25:35.479 fan base. 1:25:35.560 --> 1:25:37.280 It'd be very interesting to check this out. 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:39.519 Also, It's like, don't get me wrong, I think they've 1:25:39.560 --> 1:25:41.599 got some legit prospects on that card. You know, there's 1:25:41.600 --> 1:25:43.920 there's there could be some good fights. I don't we'll see. Yeah, 1:25:43.960 --> 1:25:46.880 I'm less impressed by Walsh, but whatever, like there could 1:25:46.920 --> 1:25:49.719 be fine. But it's like, if you don't have fans 1:25:49.720 --> 1:25:51.200 in there, which they might, they might have fans, But 1:25:51.240 --> 1:25:53.080 if you don't have fans in there in the Apex 1:25:53.120 --> 1:25:55.880 and you want MMA fans to watch boxing, dude, good 1:25:55.880 --> 1:25:56.519 fucking luck. 1:25:57.600 --> 1:25:58.840 Good luck. You're gonna need it. 1:25:59.200 --> 1:26:01.400 That's the other thing to me, I'm like, as it 1:26:01.479 --> 1:26:04.320 seems to me that there's like this, Hey, guys, come 1:26:04.320 --> 1:26:06.559 on over to this side too and check out boxing. 1:26:06.680 --> 1:26:08.160 The way we're gonna do it. We're gonna build it 1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:09.599 like the UFC. You're gonna love it. 1:26:10.640 --> 1:26:13.439 I'm not sure that this card or anything coming up 1:26:13.520 --> 1:26:16.080 in the in the little bit here, especially at the Apex, 1:26:16.160 --> 1:26:18.439 is going to achieve that, you know. And I felt 1:26:18.439 --> 1:26:20.880 like that that's that's another thing we'll wait and see on. 1:26:21.000 --> 1:26:23.519 But you've you've done this and this show is one 1:26:23.560 --> 1:26:26.800 of the few that touches on boxing and MMA, and 1:26:26.840 --> 1:26:28.960 as you see, sometimes, man, there's two sides to this, 1:26:29.040 --> 1:26:30.920 and the one side doesn't want to look too deeply 1:26:30.920 --> 1:26:32.599 into the other. It's just kind of the way it's been. 1:26:33.280 --> 1:26:35.200 Also, if you're a boxing fan and it's like, oh, 1:26:35.240 --> 1:26:41.280 it's been Saudi this, and you know grandiosity that, Yeah, 1:26:41.479 --> 1:26:43.599 this is not that you know. Again, it makes sense 1:26:43.640 --> 1:26:46.320 for the UFC's purpose or TKO's purposes, I get it. 1:26:46.360 --> 1:26:49.920 But it's a big departure for them, so some big stakes. 1:26:49.960 --> 1:26:52.679 I look forward to your coverage this weekend. Now, other 1:26:52.760 --> 1:26:57.400 pieces of boxing news, we should note Canelo Alvarez has 1:26:57.439 --> 1:27:00.919 announced he'll be back in action in September for Mexican 1:27:01.040 --> 1:27:03.599 Independence Day. In fact, before I ask any question, we've 1:27:03.640 --> 1:27:06.080 got Turkey making the announcement with Canelo. 1:27:06.120 --> 1:27:10.480 Let's roll that tape, Champ wait for us in September 1:27:11.400 --> 1:27:11.880 twelve of. 1:27:11.960 --> 1:27:17.640 September, big, big, big fights, and this is will be 1:27:17.800 --> 1:27:22.200 the first cup for Canelo Romo promotion. 1:27:23.280 --> 1:27:24.799 It will be name. 1:27:24.840 --> 1:27:29.120 Of Mexico against the world, all the fighters from the 1:27:29.160 --> 1:27:32.120 team of Canelo against the world and the champion and 1:27:32.200 --> 1:27:36.120 the main events and world title and it will be 1:27:36.280 --> 1:27:37.960 surprised in Saudi Arabian. 1:27:38.000 --> 1:27:38.280 Shot. 1:27:41.840 --> 1:27:44.120 Now the audio is not great, long Island. Look, did 1:27:44.120 --> 1:27:45.639 he say that the fight was going to be in 1:27:45.680 --> 1:27:46.439 Saudi Arabia? 1:27:48.320 --> 1:27:49.880 Shit, I don't know. I wasn't playing close enough. 1:27:50.200 --> 1:27:53.679 September twelfth, Mexico Versus the World started Canelo promotions. 1:27:53.680 --> 1:27:55.120 I heard all that, I didn't hear where it was going. 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:56.479 I think at the end of did you hear that chuck? 1:27:56.800 --> 1:27:58.280 I don't want to say I make it out. I 1:27:58.360 --> 1:27:59.280 just could not make it out. 1:27:59.280 --> 1:28:02.760 But like that would Mexico versus the World from Saudi 1:28:02.800 --> 1:28:04.439 Arabia would be very strange. 1:28:04.439 --> 1:28:08.519 What they're They're fucking killing the American and UK. 1:28:08.520 --> 1:28:09.439 Market with the ship. 1:28:10.200 --> 1:28:12.280 Now, I mean they're not killing the UK market with Canelo, 1:28:12.360 --> 1:28:15.240 but they're killing the American market by having Canelo fight 1:28:15.280 --> 1:28:18.679 over there. And I saw his single to my own first, Yeah, 1:28:18.720 --> 1:28:20.880 I mean this is yeah, I don't know what the 1:28:21.000 --> 1:28:24.320 fuck are we doing. This is so fucking bad for 1:28:24.439 --> 1:28:27.719 American boxing. It's so bad for you know, the Mexican 1:28:27.760 --> 1:28:30.479 American fan base. It's so it's just so terrible. That 1:28:30.560 --> 1:28:34.280 being said, if he does come back on that day, 1:28:34.280 --> 1:28:37.559 which of course he always fights single to my own, Uh, 1:28:37.920 --> 1:28:40.040 anybody you think it would be a good fight. 1:28:39.840 --> 1:28:42.759 For him, Well, if it's if it's Mexico versus the World, 1:28:42.760 --> 1:28:46.800 does that exclude David Benavitez, Like, because I know that 1:28:46.920 --> 1:28:49.759 David is not like a you know, born in Mexico, 1:28:49.800 --> 1:28:51.800 But like does that exclude. 1:28:52.120 --> 1:28:54.920 So I think Benavidez is going to fight in Las 1:28:55.040 --> 1:28:56.479 Vegas on that same weekend. 1:28:56.800 --> 1:29:01.000 Okay, obviously that fight one of those ones people have 1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:03.479 talked about and UH would like to see. But I 1:29:03.479 --> 1:29:06.760 guess the the bevol matt like the rematch to that 1:29:06.880 --> 1:29:09.640 because that first fight being what it was, and it 1:29:09.720 --> 1:29:12.160 was the last time Canelo lost. If you're really trying 1:29:12.160 --> 1:29:14.000 to do it up big, I feel like that that 1:29:14.080 --> 1:29:17.559 might be a very good option. I'd like to see 1:29:17.560 --> 1:29:20.320 that fight too, like where where Canelo was at at 1:29:20.360 --> 1:29:20.879 this point. 1:29:20.680 --> 1:29:21.200 In his career. 1:29:21.240 --> 1:29:24.200 And also I also I get the sense sometimes with Canelo, 1:29:24.200 --> 1:29:27.920 even as he's getting older, a second look at somebody, 1:29:29.320 --> 1:29:30.880 it would be very interesting to see kind of how 1:29:30.880 --> 1:29:33.600 he handles himself. Right, any interest in that fight, Like, 1:29:33.680 --> 1:29:38.040 is that something on your radar? No, Canelo is washed. 1:29:38.439 --> 1:29:39.120 He's washed. 1:29:39.800 --> 1:29:42.680 That first Bivol fight was not competitive and he's not 1:29:42.760 --> 1:29:44.920 gotten any better. Sense then, I don't think Bivol has 1:29:44.920 --> 1:29:48.760 gotten any worse, So to me, it's not competitive. 1:29:49.600 --> 1:29:51.160 Him has washed it. But I know what you're saying. 1:29:51.640 --> 1:29:53.479 In the last in that fight, I didn't see Heim 1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:56.840 was washed in that fight. I saw him as honestly, yeah, 1:29:56.840 --> 1:29:59.439 A little bit of that was the problem. That was 1:29:59.479 --> 1:30:01.400 the issue. All right, Well, who would you like to 1:30:01.400 --> 1:30:02.000 see him face? 1:30:02.360 --> 1:30:04.479 Okay, so I'm thinking about this, so you can't like, 1:30:04.520 --> 1:30:07.519 how washed can he go with the matchmaking? Could they 1:30:07.560 --> 1:30:11.400 do a plant or Berlonga or Mungillo rematch? I certainly 1:30:11.400 --> 1:30:13.479 fucking hope not. I don't think so. 1:30:14.280 --> 1:30:16.160 Honestly what I think, and this is something that was 1:30:16.200 --> 1:30:19.000 teased before. I think they're gonna go Chris you Bank. 1:30:19.760 --> 1:30:23.320 You Bank killed himself to get down to those fights 1:30:23.320 --> 1:30:26.120 for Connor Ben. This would be back at a normal 1:30:26.120 --> 1:30:27.800 weight class for him. I guess they could do six 1:30:27.880 --> 1:30:30.080 year sixty eight depending on what Canelo wants at that point, 1:30:30.120 --> 1:30:32.160 but you know, a much better weight class for him, 1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:36.120 and it would bring you know, it's a big enough name, 1:30:36.200 --> 1:30:38.439 it's got a UK name. I don't think it would 1:30:38.439 --> 1:30:41.479 mean much to Americans, but they'll watch Canola no matter what. 1:30:42.000 --> 1:30:45.120 To me, though, it's like, I think this is one 1:30:45.160 --> 1:30:48.320 of those questions about like what is even left for Canelo, 1:30:48.600 --> 1:30:49.800 because I know he was like, oh, I want to 1:30:49.840 --> 1:30:51.880 get the I want to get the Crawford rematch, but 1:30:51.920 --> 1:30:54.040 then Crawford retires and so that's really not a place. 1:30:54.400 --> 1:30:56.719 It's like, does he go to a place in terms 1:30:56.720 --> 1:30:59.200 of matchmaking that is I mean, if he did a 1:30:59.200 --> 1:31:02.200 burlonger rematch, I would probably cry, to be honest with you. 1:31:02.720 --> 1:31:06.400 But could he go Jermal Charlo, Big Charlo, that's a possibility, 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:10.240 you know, could he go Hamsushiras That's what Yeah, that's 1:31:10.280 --> 1:31:11.640 a that's a tough one for me. 1:31:11.720 --> 1:31:12.840 See, that's why I don't think he does it. 1:31:12.920 --> 1:31:17.960 I think he goes you Bank, who is manageable, I'm 1:31:18.000 --> 1:31:22.320 reckless as a strong word, but hitable and you know 1:31:22.640 --> 1:31:26.120 has a relationship with Turkey. You know, Yeah, that's that's 1:31:26.160 --> 1:31:27.240 to me a likely scenario. 1:31:27.520 --> 1:31:28.720 It's it'd be sad though. 1:31:28.760 --> 1:31:32.000 I guess if Canelo is as Washer is just saying 1:31:32.840 --> 1:31:35.439 for that, because like if he's fighting, you know, in 1:31:35.520 --> 1:31:39.280 Vegas for instance, I've been out there when Canelo is fighting. 1:31:39.320 --> 1:31:41.519 I've been in the hotel when he's at the hotel, 1:31:41.560 --> 1:31:43.800 and you see the entourage, you see the people. Is 1:31:43.880 --> 1:31:47.839 such a feeling if you're going to do a Canelo 1:31:47.880 --> 1:31:50.000 fight at this stage of his career and you know 1:31:50.000 --> 1:31:52.120 the writing is on the wall, you really wish that 1:31:52.160 --> 1:31:54.519 they would put it in United States because you're just 1:31:54.560 --> 1:31:56.559 not going to get too many of those, right, You're 1:31:56.640 --> 1:31:58.599 just not going to get too many more of those 1:31:58.640 --> 1:32:01.639 types of events that draw that kind of enthusiasm from 1:32:01.680 --> 1:32:02.799 people in the United States. 1:32:04.000 --> 1:32:06.800 No, yeah, I dude, they're putting this motherfucker in Rio. 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:07.160 I know. 1:32:08.120 --> 1:32:13.360 Oh dude, it's now, which leads me to my last one, 1:32:13.640 --> 1:32:16.000 which is that Golden Boy had an event I think 1:32:16.040 --> 1:32:18.800 over the weekend, but it was a one off and 1:32:19.000 --> 1:32:21.200 the deal between them and his Zone is off. 1:32:21.240 --> 1:32:23.000 So let me just set the table here very quickly. 1:32:23.439 --> 1:32:28.440 Top rank American Boxing promotion has no television deal PBC. 1:32:28.560 --> 1:32:31.360 It's on Amazon, but certainly not a linear television and 1:32:31.400 --> 1:32:34.599 godling like, what is the Amazon deal done for PBC? 1:32:34.960 --> 1:32:37.559 Not nothing but not much I think would be the answer. 1:32:38.080 --> 1:32:40.679 And now on top of that you have Golden Boy, 1:32:40.960 --> 1:32:43.320 and here it is first source. Golden Boy and Zone 1:32:43.320 --> 1:32:45.519 have been discussing the extension of the rights deal. The 1:32:45.560 --> 1:32:47.560 contract expired three months ago, and then the event you 1:32:47.600 --> 1:32:49.439 saw on Friday was a one off. There are no 1:32:49.479 --> 1:32:52.519 other Golden Boy events scheduled on Friday. The Barrios Garcia 1:32:52.560 --> 1:32:54.920 pay perview that's coming up is one of Turkey, so 1:32:54.960 --> 1:32:57.559 it's not actually a Golden Boy event, and that'll be 1:32:57.600 --> 1:32:59.640 on pay per view as well. Dude, I got to 1:32:59.680 --> 1:33:04.360 tell you this is to me why the pitch. I mean, 1:33:05.040 --> 1:33:07.120 people are like, how much worse could it be if 1:33:07.240 --> 1:33:10.160 ZUFA Boxing takes over? And on some level it's like 1:33:10.479 --> 1:33:11.720 how much worse could they do? 1:33:11.880 --> 1:33:13.920 You know what? I mean? Like this is so bad. 1:33:14.760 --> 1:33:17.200 My retort to that would be like, I just can't 1:33:17.200 --> 1:33:19.519 believe people think it's a good idea to have one 1:33:19.600 --> 1:33:23.719 company who's the dominant promoter in wrestling, in MMA and boxing. 1:33:23.800 --> 1:33:26.720 That to me seems like you just dystopian. To be 1:33:26.720 --> 1:33:31.439 perfectly honest with you, however, however, and just assessing the situation, Chuck, 1:33:31.479 --> 1:33:35.200 could you have imagined even five years ago that American 1:33:35.240 --> 1:33:41.400 boxing would be fucking erased from the American sporting landscape 1:33:41.439 --> 1:33:43.040 as quickly as it has been. I will tell you 1:33:43.120 --> 1:33:46.000 I did not see this coming. No, I didn't see 1:33:46.000 --> 1:33:47.479 it coming either, and you wonder too. 1:33:47.880 --> 1:33:50.479 I Mean, the biggest issue has been I feel like 1:33:50.479 --> 1:33:52.720 if you didn't really follow boxing and you just kind 1:33:52.720 --> 1:33:55.080 of paid attention when big fights are trying to be made, 1:33:55.320 --> 1:33:56.679 you would see this kind. 1:33:56.479 --> 1:33:57.000 Of like. 1:33:58.479 --> 1:34:00.240 How hard it is for the two guys in the 1:34:00.280 --> 1:34:03.240 same weight class from different promotions to come together and 1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:04.280 to actually do it. 1:34:04.680 --> 1:34:06.160 And that has been that. 1:34:06.600 --> 1:34:10.120 So when you're talking about zuofa boxing, I guess in 1:34:10.200 --> 1:34:12.960 that sense, if you're able to make fights with all 1:34:13.040 --> 1:34:15.920 the red tape and you're able to see them, that 1:34:15.960 --> 1:34:19.080 would be restorative, I think to the scene. But No, 1:34:19.400 --> 1:34:21.960 to answer your question, man, I mean, there's no way 1:34:21.960 --> 1:34:23.559 that I would see like it would you know, you 1:34:23.640 --> 1:34:26.840 mentioned Golden Boy to Zone and like you know, some 1:34:26.960 --> 1:34:29.040 of these other ones like a top rank with with 1:34:29.280 --> 1:34:33.600 ESPN not existing or you know, not renewing or just 1:34:33.720 --> 1:34:36.080 kind of being in place with these to have a 1:34:36.080 --> 1:34:39.000 television deal. No, I could have never seen this coming 1:34:39.120 --> 1:34:42.479 because boxing, out of everything, has been like kind of 1:34:42.479 --> 1:34:45.200 the more ubiquitous of the combat sports, and this has 1:34:45.280 --> 1:34:48.439 kind of been you know, ongoing well before there was 1:34:48.479 --> 1:34:52.280 even such a thing as UFC. So to me, you know, 1:34:52.400 --> 1:34:55.559 especially with the kind of resurgence maybe you tell me too, 1:34:55.600 --> 1:34:57.479 but like with the resurgence of the Saudi money and 1:34:57.560 --> 1:34:59.720 everything that came in, it felt like there was a 1:34:59.720 --> 1:35:02.439 little bit over twenty twenty five, certainly in twenty twenty four, 1:35:02.479 --> 1:35:06.679 twenty five more of an eye on boxing. Certainly, people 1:35:06.760 --> 1:35:09.479 who I know that were never into boxing, we're paying 1:35:09.520 --> 1:35:11.800 attention to certain events, which was a big deal in 1:35:11.840 --> 1:35:12.240 my mind. 1:35:12.760 --> 1:35:14.800 But yeah, I don't know. 1:35:15.200 --> 1:35:19.320 I feel like sometimes the fragmentation between the promotions, you know, 1:35:19.400 --> 1:35:23.720 like makes it so difficult for people to really pay 1:35:23.760 --> 1:35:26.880 attention and tune in, and somehow that that indifference starts 1:35:26.920 --> 1:35:30.680 to reach the streaming service or whatever the platforms and 1:35:30.760 --> 1:35:33.439 you arrive in these spots. But it's a bad look 1:35:33.479 --> 1:35:35.960 for American boxes. It's a dark day in that sense. 1:35:36.760 --> 1:35:39.280 I just can't believe how I mean, It's true the 1:35:39.320 --> 1:35:41.000 older you get, the more you see things like this. 1:35:41.080 --> 1:35:45.719 We were like, there's never been a year in boxing 1:35:45.760 --> 1:35:51.639 where you're like, oh, you know, boxing fans aren't complaining. 1:35:51.680 --> 1:35:54.240 I mean, twenty twenty three was super hot, but like 1:35:54.360 --> 1:35:56.680 even then, it's like all the sanctioning bodies did this 1:35:56.840 --> 1:35:59.840 and this guy walked away from that. Like the inefficiency 1:36:00.040 --> 1:36:03.479 efficiency of it kind of always rubbed people the wrong way, 1:36:04.000 --> 1:36:05.439 but you kind of dismiss it because you're like, you 1:36:05.439 --> 1:36:07.519 had a hot year and twenty twenty four wasn't exactly 1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:09.479 as good, but it was still pretty good, or or 1:36:09.800 --> 1:36:13.040 it was it was decent. Then last year things really 1:36:13.040 --> 1:36:15.400 took a different turn, and now it's like a completely 1:36:15.439 --> 1:36:18.120 barren landscape. What I'm trying to say is like this, 1:36:18.720 --> 1:36:23.400 It's like it's very easy to dismiss Chinese water torture 1:36:23.840 --> 1:36:26.880 when the first fruit few drops are happening, right, but 1:36:27.040 --> 1:36:31.160 like over twenty years, Chinese water torture is unbearable. You know, 1:36:31.200 --> 1:36:35.240 it's like a great point. It's just nothing ever happens, 1:36:35.280 --> 1:36:36.560 nothing ever happens. 1:36:36.240 --> 1:36:40.240 And then all of a sudden, it all comes crash down. 1:36:40.600 --> 1:36:43.320 I've tried to I've tried to make it more of 1:36:43.360 --> 1:36:45.960 an effort honestly, to like embrace. But you know, because 1:36:46.000 --> 1:36:48.040 so many of us in this space, there's so much 1:36:48.040 --> 1:36:50.040 going on in MMA that you just stay in that lane. 1:36:50.080 --> 1:36:53.280 But I've tried, because there's so many dynamic boxers coming up, 1:36:53.280 --> 1:36:55.840 and so I've been to multiple big events over the 1:36:55.880 --> 1:36:58.880 last couple of years, soaking in the atmosphere, just kind 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:00.800 of getting to know, you know, the fighters better and 1:37:00.800 --> 1:37:02.519 stuff like that. And I was at the Boots and 1:37:02.640 --> 1:37:05.560 His fight with Chikaids in I think when in twenty 1:37:05.640 --> 1:37:08.759 twenty four, at the end in Philly, and the biggest 1:37:08.760 --> 1:37:10.800 thing was a you know, now he makes the move, right, 1:37:10.840 --> 1:37:13.519 he's going to go fight virguo Ortis. That was well, 1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:17.040 Now you get into twenty twenty six and that fight 1:37:17.240 --> 1:37:19.680 was being looked at obviously it was everybody thought we 1:37:19.680 --> 1:37:22.080 were going to get it. And now you get a 1:37:22.120 --> 1:37:25.920 situation where you know, his own and Golden Boy, you 1:37:25.920 --> 1:37:28.439 know gold He's got the lawsuit against Golden Boy Virginal Artios, 1:37:28.439 --> 1:37:30.640 So it's like, does it happen? And I feel like 1:37:30.720 --> 1:37:34.680 this is kind of what fans end up dealing with, 1:37:35.080 --> 1:37:37.080 rather than getting a fight that you think you're going 1:37:37.120 --> 1:37:39.280 to get and maybe the one you kind of desire 1:37:39.360 --> 1:37:42.000 after watching a guy kind of come up the ranks 1:37:42.000 --> 1:37:44.320 and what's the best fight for him next to challenge him. 1:37:44.760 --> 1:37:47.160 I feel like we're always mired in this kind of 1:37:47.200 --> 1:37:49.240 thing where it's like, Nope, you can't get there, you 1:37:49.280 --> 1:37:50.080 can't get that fight. 1:37:51.320 --> 1:37:53.040 Also, like you know, it's amazing at the beginning of 1:37:53.040 --> 1:37:55.639 the NFL season where they're like, here's here's the calendar, 1:37:56.479 --> 1:37:58.519 this is all of your games, this is all the 1:37:58.560 --> 1:38:00.800 games you're gonna play, here's your bile, here's the rest 1:38:00.800 --> 1:38:02.400 of you know what, I mean, and so you have 1:38:02.479 --> 1:38:04.920 this grand anticipation both about the start of the season 1:38:04.960 --> 1:38:07.479 but about each week what each one represents and even 1:38:07.520 --> 1:38:09.880 for the league. Oh, you know, there's a lot of commanders. 1:38:09.920 --> 1:38:11.280 By the way, this at the beginning of the season 1:38:11.320 --> 1:38:13.680 had like a bunch of primetime games, and then they 1:38:13.720 --> 1:38:16.640 didn't perform very well. Jadon Daniels was hurt half the time, right, 1:38:16.720 --> 1:38:18.200 and so they flexed a bunch of them. But they 1:38:18.200 --> 1:38:20.720 have that capability to then, you know, rearrange things in 1:38:20.720 --> 1:38:24.160 a way that's even more dynamic given the circumstances, and 1:38:24.680 --> 1:38:28.120 boxing has just never really had that. People have said like, oh, 1:38:28.200 --> 1:38:30.040 you you know, it would be better to have one 1:38:30.120 --> 1:38:33.080 dominant brand control it. And my answer to that is 1:38:33.080 --> 1:38:35.800 always the same, which is, Okay, I can imagine that 1:38:35.960 --> 1:38:38.679 to be true in a world where there's significant athlete 1:38:38.720 --> 1:38:43.800 protections and that same brand is constrained in certain ways 1:38:43.840 --> 1:38:46.000 about you know, you know, with those protections or what 1:38:46.040 --> 1:38:48.640 they can and can't do, as well as it's not 1:38:48.720 --> 1:38:51.080 the same ones giving you MMA, and it's not the 1:38:51.120 --> 1:38:54.960 same ones giving you pro wrestling. Under that circumstance, yes, sure, 1:38:54.960 --> 1:38:57.519 I can understand that there might be an argument with it. 1:38:57.920 --> 1:39:02.320 The degree of inefficiency in boxing has been absolutely poisonous 1:39:02.360 --> 1:39:06.440 to it. But I mean, what can you even say anymore? 1:39:06.520 --> 1:39:09.040 They the the the architects of it. 1:39:09.080 --> 1:39:11.840 The the what do you want to say? 1:39:11.920 --> 1:39:16.599 The the people tasked with its, with its perseverance, they 1:39:16.600 --> 1:39:17.800 all fell down on the job. 1:39:18.200 --> 1:39:19.439 They all fell down on the job. 1:39:19.880 --> 1:39:23.240 It Is it just coincidence or is it I don't know, 1:39:23.360 --> 1:39:25.680 symptom like so zoop of boxing. We all knew it's 1:39:25.720 --> 1:39:29.200 gonna happen. Now it's gonna happen in the in twenty 1:39:29.280 --> 1:39:33.000 twenty six. It's and then you see these other hubbless 1:39:33.360 --> 1:39:35.800 you know, is it? Is it one of those things 1:39:35.840 --> 1:39:38.040 You're like, well they're getting into it, maybe we don't 1:39:38.040 --> 1:39:39.040 want to be in it, Like is it? 1:39:39.040 --> 1:39:41.240 Does some of that exist? You know what I mean? 1:39:41.320 --> 1:39:46.000 Where you know, certain entities are like we're not getting 1:39:46.040 --> 1:39:48.040 a the bang for the book, and you know zopa 1:39:48.080 --> 1:39:50.960 boxing is kicking a zoopo boxing factor into that landscape, 1:39:51.120 --> 1:39:51.519 you know what I mean? 1:39:51.560 --> 1:39:52.600 It's not true what you mean like who are the 1:39:52.600 --> 1:39:53.639 people who would be punting? 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:56.400 Well, I'm saying, like you know, like for for de 1:39:56.520 --> 1:39:59.240 Zone not to be you know, not to have the partnership, 1:39:59.600 --> 1:40:02.240 right like if if yeah, if they if we're not 1:40:02.280 --> 1:40:05.120 going to see the the streaming services that we're doing 1:40:05.120 --> 1:40:07.840 it before h with ESPN and Top Rank for instance, 1:40:07.880 --> 1:40:09.479 like they don't have a deal right, like they're just 1:40:10.040 --> 1:40:12.599 that's come to an end. But is it does that 1:40:12.640 --> 1:40:15.120 have anything to do with suber boxing? You know what 1:40:15.200 --> 1:40:18.559 I'm saying, Like, does does that do there's one plan 1:40:18.640 --> 1:40:19.080 to the other? 1:40:23.000 --> 1:40:26.880 It might now I don't know if it did, you know, 1:40:26.960 --> 1:40:30.880 back when some of this stuff was less clear. It's 1:40:30.880 --> 1:40:33.960 a great question for the Zone because now if you 1:40:33.960 --> 1:40:37.519 you know, like Top Rank hasn't had a deal for months, 1:40:38.160 --> 1:40:40.840 like if the Zone wanted to sign them, they could 1:40:40.880 --> 1:40:43.519 have just done it, right yeah, you know, uh and 1:40:43.600 --> 1:40:45.960 they didn't, And that to me is like a huge 1:40:45.960 --> 1:40:48.240 red flag, like Golden Boy, if they wanted to resign them, 1:40:48.240 --> 1:40:50.080 they we could be done with this already, you know. 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:52.920 And it feels like we've been talking like sort of 1:40:52.960 --> 1:40:56.760 like eulogizing the you know, the PBC thing for a 1:40:56.760 --> 1:40:58.720 long time. I mean, we'll see all this all plans out, 1:40:58.720 --> 1:41:00.960 But the truth is, you know, you've seen this in. 1:41:01.000 --> 1:41:04.320 MMA, whereas where the death of a promotion it actually 1:41:04.400 --> 1:41:06.040 takes a little longer than you might imagine. 1:41:06.080 --> 1:41:06.960 That's true, it does. 1:41:07.040 --> 1:41:09.280 They hang on in ways where they kind of just 1:41:09.439 --> 1:41:12.360 find a way to put events on and they're cutting 1:41:12.439 --> 1:41:14.519 half the budget and no one's getting paid, but the 1:41:14.520 --> 1:41:17.519 show's kind of still happened for some reason, right that. 1:41:17.680 --> 1:41:19.080 I think, you know, you might see some of that. 1:41:19.120 --> 1:41:23.639 But like, honestly, these fucking morons, these sanctioning bodies who 1:41:24.120 --> 1:41:28.559 just created infinite titles and never forced mandatories, they really 1:41:28.600 --> 1:41:30.960 fucked up. These promoters who got greedy and didn't want 1:41:30.960 --> 1:41:33.360 to work with each others, they fucked up. And dude, 1:41:33.400 --> 1:41:35.479 the chickens have come home to roost and now they're 1:41:35.520 --> 1:41:39.559 about to get their mother fucking lunch money taken from them. 1:41:39.920 --> 1:41:47.040 And baby, yes, congratulations. Now you can watch Canelo Mungia 1:41:47.040 --> 1:41:50.680 too in real so congrats. All right, that's it for 1:41:50.760 --> 1:41:52.800 our top five topics. Let's transition now if we can't, 1:41:52.840 --> 1:41:55.040 we do have a fun segment at the end planned. However, 1:41:55.439 --> 1:41:57.240 I have a doctor's appointment, so I don't know we're 1:41:57.240 --> 1:41:58.000 gonna be able to fit it in. 1:41:58.040 --> 1:41:59.360 We're gonna try here, Let's see. 1:41:59.200 --> 1:42:02.320 How you Let's go to it's time now where the 1:42:02.360 --> 1:42:04.600 fans get to ask you and me some questions. You 1:42:04.640 --> 1:42:06.439 and I You and right, it is time for dms 1:42:06.439 --> 1:42:12.440 from dogs. 1:42:13.120 --> 1:42:16.960 I hate that fucking sound. It makes me feel at home. 1:42:17.000 --> 1:42:19.000 It's a dinver Broncos sound. So that's good. Oh right, 1:42:19.080 --> 1:42:21.920 well it's a donkey, it's not a Bronco. Well they 1:42:21.920 --> 1:42:22.639 call them the dogs. 1:42:22.920 --> 1:42:24.640 Okay, all right, here we go. Question number one from 1:42:24.720 --> 1:42:27.479 Lord Page. That's a weird ass name. What do you 1:42:27.600 --> 1:42:31.839 think will headline UFC three twenty seven in Miami in April? 1:42:31.880 --> 1:42:34.680 This person writes, my pick is interim light heavyweight so 1:42:34.760 --> 1:42:38.519 Olberg versus Parhatchka and Men's flyweight. 1:42:38.680 --> 1:42:39.759 Van versus cop. 1:42:40.960 --> 1:42:45.280 Hmmm, So three twenty four is this weekend? Yes, three 1:42:45.320 --> 1:42:48.880 twenty five will be Vulk Lopez. Two, three twenty six 1:42:49.000 --> 1:42:52.479 is Max and olivera. This will be the one after 1:42:52.560 --> 1:42:53.519 that Miami. 1:42:53.800 --> 1:42:54.200 Okay. 1:42:55.000 --> 1:42:57.240 Yeah, it's tough to predict these ones that start to 1:42:57.240 --> 1:42:59.840 get near the White House because I've mentioned this as 1:42:59.880 --> 1:43:02.200 a as a vortex, because you're not sure how much 1:43:02.240 --> 1:43:04.280 talent they're going to concentrate into one thing and what 1:43:04.320 --> 1:43:07.280 that would mean to the surrounding cards, to say two 1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:11.120 or three months either side, right, I would be okay 1:43:11.680 --> 1:43:14.280 with the fights they mentioned there like that. You know 1:43:14.560 --> 1:43:19.360 it is is Parira just guaranteed to be out, Like, 1:43:19.600 --> 1:43:20.800 what's his status right now? 1:43:20.880 --> 1:43:22.920 I mean, just think until we know if he's going 1:43:22.960 --> 1:43:25.080 to be on that White House card. Yeah, it seems 1:43:25.080 --> 1:43:27.759 foolish to add him anywhere else, you know, Yeah, that's true. 1:43:28.200 --> 1:43:31.639 I mean, to be honest, I feel like they normally speaking, 1:43:31.640 --> 1:43:33.479 you'd be like you'd have some kind of projection on this. 1:43:33.560 --> 1:43:35.680 But the way this paramount thing is, it's kind of 1:43:35.720 --> 1:43:38.240 the abstract nature of that White House card. It's hard 1:43:38.280 --> 1:43:40.479 to say who will end up on something like that. 1:43:41.200 --> 1:43:42.960 And honestly, you know what's kind of funny is these 1:43:43.000 --> 1:43:46.800 Miami cards have ended up being something rather important for them, 1:43:46.880 --> 1:43:49.920 the bigger I'm trying. I'm looking here on the calendar. 1:43:50.000 --> 1:43:53.160 So when they last went to Miami, let's see here, 1:43:53.160 --> 1:43:55.759 that was three fourteen. That was a great card. Yes, 1:43:56.080 --> 1:43:58.360 Lopez one here, I mean, you know what, let me 1:43:58.400 --> 1:43:59.920 pull this up here, Miami. 1:44:00.040 --> 1:44:00.439 There we go. 1:44:00.680 --> 1:44:04.519 They've got John so again. John Silva was on that. 1:44:04.560 --> 1:44:06.280 There were a lot of lot of good fights on that. 1:44:06.320 --> 1:44:08.639 Then they had UFC two ninety nine that was O'Malley 1:44:08.720 --> 1:44:11.880 vera tu that had some decent fights on there as well, 1:44:11.960 --> 1:44:13.680 and then they had UFC two eighty seven which was 1:44:13.680 --> 1:44:15.280 Poeton Izzy too, which. 1:44:15.120 --> 1:44:16.320 Was a huge fight. 1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:19.320 Yeah, so they've had some pretty big main events up there, 1:44:19.800 --> 1:44:22.000 and Poeton has fought there obviously one of the bigger 1:44:22.000 --> 1:44:24.320 stars in the company. But again, to your point, I 1:44:24.320 --> 1:44:27.720 think it's a totally correct one, the UFC White House 1:44:27.760 --> 1:44:31.200 card in terms of like sucking up resources both before 1:44:31.240 --> 1:44:33.200 and it's like a black hole and it's just hard 1:44:33.200 --> 1:44:35.280 to know what's gonna get pulled into the gravity, you know. 1:44:35.680 --> 1:44:36.000 Yeah? 1:44:37.160 --> 1:44:43.599 Yeah, next next one from Asray videos, ass Ray what 1:44:43.600 --> 1:44:46.879 what are the Man in the Hats? Top five favorite films? 1:44:47.200 --> 1:44:49.160 Wait? Do you go around like do you go around 1:44:49.200 --> 1:44:49.960 with the top five? 1:44:50.080 --> 1:44:51.720 Like you know, like that you're always like I could 1:44:51.720 --> 1:44:53.320 just cite my top five like top. 1:44:53.160 --> 1:44:56.360 Five, No, but I could go top three maybe. 1:44:56.120 --> 1:44:59.920 Okay, Man, Well I would have to include if you're 1:45:00.000 --> 1:45:01.760 talking about just the impact right like with like your 1:45:01.760 --> 1:45:04.160 life inside is Star Wars, the original Star Wars would 1:45:04.160 --> 1:45:06.759 be up there because that was something that was ubiquitous 1:45:06.760 --> 1:45:11.200 in my whole life, like it was always there, and 1:45:11.240 --> 1:45:13.280 it's like, so if I'm going down in different genres too, 1:45:13.320 --> 1:45:15.240 like I love the Shining I like the Kubrick version 1:45:15.280 --> 1:45:15.519 of that. 1:45:17.840 --> 1:45:21.400 God that's jackets Well. Metal Jacket is awesome. Man. 1:45:21.720 --> 1:45:23.200 I don't know if it would be in my top five. 1:45:23.280 --> 1:45:24.639 But see, this is what I'm saying. I don't really 1:45:24.680 --> 1:45:27.680 think this way, but uh god, Okay. 1:45:27.439 --> 1:45:29.799 Here's the question. If you're trying to sound smart to someone, 1:45:29.840 --> 1:45:33.719 what do you say? Oh? 1:45:33.800 --> 1:45:37.360 Man, the turn Horse. It's the one about Nietzsche. You remember, 1:45:37.360 --> 1:45:40.120 you ever when Nietzsche was like, uh, he broke down 1:45:40.120 --> 1:45:42.439 when he saw a horse getting whipped like and beaten. 1:45:42.520 --> 1:45:45.000 That's what sent him into this kind of madness. It's 1:45:45.160 --> 1:45:47.320 it starts with that and then it just gets darker 1:45:47.360 --> 1:45:49.479 from there. It's a black and white film, but it 1:45:49.560 --> 1:45:52.920 was really well done. It's uh white films that they 1:45:52.960 --> 1:45:55.000 are they make. 1:45:55.479 --> 1:45:59.479 It was a good one, dude. I'm I'm a little bit. 1:45:59.800 --> 1:46:03.200 I I hate cheap action films, like for the most part, 1:46:03.240 --> 1:46:07.360 I can't watch them like I do like thought provoking movies, 1:46:07.479 --> 1:46:08.800 you know, so I will say it like that. 1:46:08.920 --> 1:46:09.120 Man. 1:46:09.240 --> 1:46:11.280 It's very tough for me to distill it down to five, 1:46:11.320 --> 1:46:14.400 but I do like that. I like movies that kind 1:46:14.400 --> 1:46:17.280 of have something more to them, and you know, they 1:46:17.400 --> 1:46:20.080 have real direction and good acting and all that stuff. 1:46:20.240 --> 1:46:22.320 Kind of a snob that way, And you know what 1:46:22.439 --> 1:46:22.880 I watch. 1:46:24.360 --> 1:46:26.040 I didn't do it on purpose, but I just kind 1:46:26.040 --> 1:46:29.599 of noticed over time that foreign films are a little bit. 1:46:29.840 --> 1:46:33.080 The better versions of foreign films, not like any old one, 1:46:33.120 --> 1:46:36.559 but like the better versions, they tend to have less 1:46:36.720 --> 1:46:41.320 American movie making convention built into them, obviously, yes, and 1:46:41.400 --> 1:46:43.120 as a concert, and they tell you stories that you're 1:46:43.160 --> 1:46:45.920 not super familiar with because it's like, oh, what is 1:46:45.960 --> 1:46:47.280 it like to be a person in this part of 1:46:47.280 --> 1:46:48.520 the world under these circumstances. 1:46:48.520 --> 1:46:49.880 I don't know anything about those things, you know. 1:46:50.520 --> 1:46:53.360 Yeah, So I've been watching a lot of Iranian movies, 1:46:53.400 --> 1:46:54.360 like they're frikling good. 1:46:54.439 --> 1:46:57.599 Yeah, do they're good. Somebody just recommended one. I don't 1:46:57.600 --> 1:47:00.679 remember the name of it. It was an accident, that's 1:47:00.720 --> 1:47:01.559 what's the one. 1:47:01.720 --> 1:47:02.519 That's the latest one. 1:47:02.560 --> 1:47:05.760 It's like that actually does sound right, but yeah, man, 1:47:05.760 --> 1:47:07.840 I loved or it was just an accident something like that. 1:47:07.920 --> 1:47:09.160 Yeah, I think something like that. 1:47:09.240 --> 1:47:11.120 The last one I saw was Seed of the Sacred 1:47:11.120 --> 1:47:14.200 fig which was they had to shoot it into ran 1:47:14.400 --> 1:47:15.360 in secret. 1:47:16.360 --> 1:47:19.080 Wow. It was badass, like really really really good. 1:47:19.720 --> 1:47:21.920 Favorite you're one of those people I would actually take 1:47:21.960 --> 1:47:23.720 recommendations from There's a lot of people are like, oh, 1:47:23.720 --> 1:47:25.320 you got to watch this, you got to watch this, 1:47:25.600 --> 1:47:27.680 and you watch one of them and like, okay, I 1:47:27.720 --> 1:47:30.040 can't listen that. You've lost your credibility, you know, like 1:47:30.080 --> 1:47:32.519 at some point you send you send me Astray the 1:47:32.520 --> 1:47:33.400 first time, you. 1:47:33.439 --> 1:47:35.960 Mean, like BC being like, dude, I liked Rise of Skywalker. 1:47:36.439 --> 1:47:38.400 Get the fuck out of my life, you know, give 1:47:38.400 --> 1:47:40.000 the fuck out of my life. Like the sequels were 1:47:40.000 --> 1:47:42.360 better than the prequels. Yeah, dude, anyone who's like, dude, 1:47:42.360 --> 1:47:43.040 the prequels are great. 1:47:43.040 --> 1:47:46.000 I like jar Jar binks you're a fucking idiot and 1:47:46.040 --> 1:47:47.360 your parents don't love you. 1:47:47.560 --> 1:47:49.439 Okay, all right, you've been on that one for a bit. 1:47:50.200 --> 1:47:52.439 Just camp. Here's the thing, because I this is the 1:47:52.439 --> 1:47:54.880 funny part. Love. I've said this a million times. I'm old, 1:47:55.000 --> 1:47:55.880 and I know that I'm old. 1:47:55.920 --> 1:47:57.880 I don't know, there's no how could I hide such 1:47:57.920 --> 1:48:01.519 a thing. But I was nineteen when the prequels came out. 1:48:02.000 --> 1:48:05.839 I was nineteen, and I remember the entire country being. 1:48:05.680 --> 1:48:09.160 Like, this is bullshit. These movies are terrible. 1:48:09.200 --> 1:48:12.960 They got mocked on Conan O'Brien every single night for 1:48:13.040 --> 1:48:15.719 being how fucking bad they were, and then the people 1:48:15.760 --> 1:48:17.800 who were kids at the time have now grown up 1:48:17.840 --> 1:48:20.120 being like, no, we love the prequels. You're a fucking 1:48:20.160 --> 1:48:22.759 idiot and your parents don't love you all right. Next 1:48:23.880 --> 1:48:27.240 uh from Empty Booble, Does Chuck have a favorite hat? Well, 1:48:27.320 --> 1:48:28.240 that's an important question. 1:48:28.360 --> 1:48:28.920 Yeah it is. 1:48:28.960 --> 1:48:30.519 And you know most of these are directed tored me 1:48:30.560 --> 1:48:32.720 because that graphic they did was like Chuck Minton Han 1:48:32.840 --> 1:48:38.519 was like a strong male prequel. So, uh, probably there's 1:48:38.560 --> 1:48:41.360 like a traveling Barcelona that I bought, like the original one, 1:48:41.479 --> 1:48:44.840 Like this way back at UFC one oh seven at 1:48:44.840 --> 1:48:47.320 the Peacock in Memphis, they had like a little hat place. 1:48:47.400 --> 1:48:49.320 I bought that, and it's always been one of my favorites. 1:48:50.800 --> 1:48:53.960 But I'm not even sure I still have it, but 1:48:54.000 --> 1:48:55.519 that at the time I wore it a lot, and 1:48:55.520 --> 1:48:56.840 it was kind of the beginning of the Man in 1:48:56.880 --> 1:48:57.799 the Hat and all that stuff. 1:48:58.360 --> 1:49:00.840 So I'd probably say that one. Go full screen on 1:49:00.920 --> 1:49:03.599 Chuck here for a second. Look on the left side, 1:49:03.600 --> 1:49:05.840 if you're watching the screen, look at the hats. Yeah, exactly, 1:49:05.880 --> 1:49:07.120 on the ones over there, look at all that. 1:49:07.040 --> 1:49:08.840 Shit that kind of extends over there too. It goes, 1:49:08.960 --> 1:49:10.040 how many hats do you have? 1:49:10.160 --> 1:49:11.720 And then there's a few more on my door over 1:49:11.760 --> 1:49:14.559 here with the Ryan Garcia gloves. I probably like these 1:49:14.600 --> 1:49:16.880 types of hats. I probably got like thirty of them. 1:49:17.040 --> 1:49:21.120 But I had like a deal with Boston scally Cap. 1:49:21.640 --> 1:49:24.080 Yeah yeah, so like, uh so they made like a 1:49:24.120 --> 1:49:25.960 myth hat. So I've got to I've got to if 1:49:26.000 --> 1:49:28.160 you count those, I've got a bunch because I sell them. 1:49:28.720 --> 1:49:32.080 But like in terms of just the ones that aren't 1:49:32.120 --> 1:49:35.160 that probably like thirty and then a bunch of ball caps. 1:49:35.240 --> 1:49:37.160 You know, you got to cover up the ball. 1:49:37.120 --> 1:49:40.200 Dome, man, you know, just let it go. Why haven't 1:49:40.280 --> 1:49:43.000 you flown to Turkey? And then this was an Eric 1:49:43.080 --> 1:49:48.080 nixick thing. Uh Eric Nixon. I saw him fint last straight. 1:49:48.120 --> 1:49:50.080 He's like, dude, you gotta go to Turkey, man, you 1:49:50.120 --> 1:49:50.880 gotta go to Turkey. 1:49:50.880 --> 1:49:51.519 It was all about it. 1:49:51.520 --> 1:49:53.800 He's just gotten back and he's got a nice lush 1:49:53.800 --> 1:49:57.080 head of hair. Now it could be men. I'm not 1:49:57.120 --> 1:49:57.680 gonna do it. 1:49:57.920 --> 1:49:58.000 No. 1:49:58.720 --> 1:50:00.800 I was with Sean el Shoddy. It was also like 1:50:02.000 --> 1:50:04.080 he's been bald since he was twenty one. Yeah, I 1:50:04.080 --> 1:50:08.000 mean it's insane. Yes, that's the only reason that truly. 1:50:08.000 --> 1:50:10.160 It's the only reason I haven't got on TRT yet 1:50:10.600 --> 1:50:13.280 is that I know that you can also take medications 1:50:13.680 --> 1:50:16.200 to prevent hair loss while you're on TRT. 1:50:16.760 --> 1:50:19.200 But it's like, I don't know, No, you got like nice, 1:50:19.280 --> 1:50:20.240 you got a nice head of hair. 1:50:20.280 --> 1:50:22.160 There would message what I'm saying, like I'm just gonna 1:50:22.160 --> 1:50:23.920 punch on this to have some bigger muscles for a 1:50:23.960 --> 1:50:24.280 little bit. 1:50:24.320 --> 1:50:24.760 I don't know. 1:50:24.960 --> 1:50:30.719 Yeah, all right, Next one from von beckcal in your opinion, boys, 1:50:30.720 --> 1:50:32.519 which MMA era would you consider it? 1:50:32.520 --> 1:50:34.880 The Golden era? Great question? Check what do you think? 1:50:36.000 --> 1:50:37.439 Just to the sport, it had to be. 1:50:37.520 --> 1:50:39.320 It would have to be around the time of the 1:50:39.360 --> 1:50:42.479 of the Sale, right like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. Yeah, 1:50:42.720 --> 1:50:45.479 because you had the biggest stars at that moment, and 1:50:45.600 --> 1:50:49.200 Ronda Rousey's still around, you had a Connor McGregor, and 1:50:49.240 --> 1:50:53.200 there was just it felt like it was as big, 1:50:53.479 --> 1:50:54.920 you know, I don't want to say it as big 1:50:54.960 --> 1:50:57.080 as gonna get. It felt like it was still going places, 1:50:57.080 --> 1:50:59.799 but it felt so big from where it had come from, 1:51:00.160 --> 1:51:01.680 and there was just so many good fights that they 1:51:01.720 --> 1:51:02.599 were making at that time. 1:51:03.560 --> 1:51:05.960 I agree. And also like one thing of one of my. 1:51:07.560 --> 1:51:10.360 One of my issues with the current state of MMA 1:51:10.520 --> 1:51:12.799 is that like, in some ways it's got more cultural 1:51:12.840 --> 1:51:16.240 cachet and relevance than it ever has. But it used 1:51:16.240 --> 1:51:19.800 to be a broader more like it had more subcultures, 1:51:19.800 --> 1:51:23.719 It had more it was a more interesting thing because 1:51:23.720 --> 1:51:25.960 there was more to it. And to me, MMA has 1:51:26.040 --> 1:51:29.800 gotten more homogenized and a little bit smaller. Even though 1:51:29.840 --> 1:51:32.240 it might be in certain ways globally more popular, it's 1:51:32.240 --> 1:51:36.320 still it's it's less of a thing that invites more people, 1:51:36.520 --> 1:51:39.839 you know, but fifteen twenty sixteen, where you're like Rowsey 1:51:39.880 --> 1:51:43.080 is at her peak popularity, and like, do you remember. 1:51:42.840 --> 1:51:45.160 When Rosy gainst Man, Ye might be. 1:51:45.520 --> 1:51:47.320 Do you remember when Rowsy first came around and it 1:51:47.400 --> 1:51:51.000 was like little girls were going to UFC events, like 1:51:51.040 --> 1:51:52.080 a bunch of them, and you. 1:51:52.320 --> 1:51:55.240 Saw I saw girls crying when she went up and 1:51:55.240 --> 1:51:57.559 signed their stuff. I was like a roped off petition 1:51:57.640 --> 1:51:59.240 thating she went over and signed and they were crying 1:51:59.280 --> 1:52:00.719 like they were like was the Beatles. 1:52:00.840 --> 1:52:03.200 It was amazing to see that, And I think that 1:52:03.280 --> 1:52:05.519 kind of thing is kind of lost. Yeah, all right, 1:52:05.520 --> 1:52:08.799 I think there's one more maybe from Bucket of Chips. 1:52:09.280 --> 1:52:12.280 Luke has had a few embarrassing moments we know, well Jones, 1:52:12.520 --> 1:52:15.439 fad or, I don't recall what that one was, But 1:52:16.080 --> 1:52:18.360 what have I've had many of them? What have been 1:52:18.439 --> 1:52:20.679 some of Chuck's most embarrassing moments with a fighter? 1:52:20.760 --> 1:52:20.960 Oh? 1:52:21.080 --> 1:52:23.960 Oh, like you know where John wouldn't answer my question. 1:52:24.120 --> 1:52:25.800 Or I had a bad interview with Fador, which, by 1:52:25.840 --> 1:52:27.240 the way, is Fador's fault. 1:52:27.280 --> 1:52:29.840 I mean, yeah, he's not a good Yeah, yeah, I 1:52:29.880 --> 1:52:32.320 mean the no, I haven't had a ton of these, 1:52:32.360 --> 1:52:35.200 which just I'm fortunate, you know, like and most fighters, 1:52:35.200 --> 1:52:37.160 I feel like, have been fairly okay with me. But 1:52:37.800 --> 1:52:41.040 Tim Sylvia like and this was all because his manager 1:52:41.040 --> 1:52:42.639 at the time, Money Costs, called like he was trying 1:52:42.680 --> 1:52:44.320 to make a point that when Tim Silvia came to 1:52:44.360 --> 1:52:46.240 the gym, he didn't really he wasn't that good, and 1:52:46.240 --> 1:52:48.280 he called he was like, oh my god, who is 1:52:48.280 --> 1:52:50.080 this fat tube of shit? That's what he said to me, right, 1:52:50.200 --> 1:52:52.080 So there's a quote of his, not mine, like he's 1:52:52.080 --> 1:52:54.160 a fat type of shit. And then as he kind 1:52:54.200 --> 1:52:56.360 of ascended in the UFC and became a champion, he's like, 1:52:56.400 --> 1:52:58.240 oh my god. He was trying to say, like, my 1:52:58.320 --> 1:53:00.320 fat tub of shit became a champion, like he was 1:53:00.320 --> 1:53:02.479 trying to give him his flowers, as such as like saying, 1:53:02.479 --> 1:53:05.760 like I I I was wrong about this guy. He's 1:53:05.800 --> 1:53:09.760 actually that good, right tim Sylvia saw that quote a 1:53:09.800 --> 1:53:12.360 pull quote and a piece I'd written about Bettendorf and 1:53:13.280 --> 1:53:16.680 got very very upset by it, thinking I was calling 1:53:16.720 --> 1:53:18.040 him a fat piece of shit, and I think he 1:53:18.080 --> 1:53:20.240 was on some show, maybe Ariels, he was on some 1:53:20.280 --> 1:53:23.040 show and he was basically, you know, kind of threatening 1:53:23.080 --> 1:53:25.760 me up. But I wasn't necessarily embarrassing, but it was 1:53:25.800 --> 1:53:28.840 a little embarrassing that he didn't understand the context of 1:53:28.880 --> 1:53:30.040 what he was looking at. 1:53:30.360 --> 1:53:33.080 Listening and reading comprehension skills are in short supply of 1:53:33.120 --> 1:53:33.719 these days. 1:53:33.800 --> 1:53:35.960 Yes, but I mean, honestly, not too much. 1:53:36.000 --> 1:53:38.800 Besides like stuff like that, like guys getting pissed off 1:53:38.800 --> 1:53:41.679 over you know, reasons there You're like, ah, it's not really, 1:53:41.720 --> 1:53:42.320 it doesn't matter. 1:53:42.400 --> 1:53:45.120 I mean, BC has uh has pissed off a lot 1:53:45.160 --> 1:53:45.559 of people. 1:53:45.680 --> 1:53:48.479 I've pissed off got the whole flyweight the strawweight division, right, 1:53:48.479 --> 1:53:50.040 like it's been kind of offended or. 1:53:50.160 --> 1:53:54.639 Well, the charlow's cursed him out on him. 1:53:55.080 --> 1:53:57.960 Yeah, So I've had I've had a few of those 1:53:58.000 --> 1:53:58.320 as well. 1:53:58.400 --> 1:54:00.920 Yeah, is that it are? I think that's the five 1:54:01.200 --> 1:54:01.479 that's it. 1:54:02.120 --> 1:54:04.280 Unfortunately, we have to punt on the thing that we 1:54:04.320 --> 1:54:06.720 had try or we're gonna try today because I do 1:54:06.760 --> 1:54:07.679 have a doctor's appointment. 1:54:07.720 --> 1:54:10.840 I apologize everyone about this, but we'll bring it. 1:54:10.960 --> 1:54:12.880 We'll get to it either the end of this week 1:54:12.960 --> 1:54:15.719 or the beginning of next one. Chuck, where can folks 1:54:15.720 --> 1:54:17.920 find your coverage this week? What's the best place to 1:54:18.320 --> 1:54:19.479 get what you're Yeah. 1:54:19.360 --> 1:54:19.920 I'm gonna do. 1:54:20.120 --> 1:54:22.519 I'll have something in the zoof of boxing. It's gonna 1:54:22.720 --> 1:54:25.320 appear at Uncrowned probably on Saturday. I'll have some kind 1:54:25.360 --> 1:54:27.080 of wrap up piece there, and that's where all the 1:54:27.160 --> 1:54:29.920 UFC three twenty four coverage of mine will be as well. 1:54:30.880 --> 1:54:33.120 And of course you can see the socials here down below. 1:54:33.200 --> 1:54:35.240 We are on TikTok, we are on YouTube, we are 1:54:35.240 --> 1:54:38.040 on ig and then Twitter. Don't forget merch. You can 1:54:38.080 --> 1:54:41.520 go to Morning Coombat Dot Shop. Of course, the poster 1:54:41.720 --> 1:54:44.480 is available for I think half off or something approximating that, 1:54:44.760 --> 1:54:47.200 and then of course the Stranger Danger logos on everything, 1:54:47.280 --> 1:54:50.520 including the two different kinds of shirts. They last until 1:54:50.600 --> 1:54:54.840 January thirty. First, we will have a show later this week. Well, 1:54:54.840 --> 1:54:56.360 we're gonna break down everything. 1:54:56.480 --> 1:54:57.200 I do have to go. 1:54:57.240 --> 1:55:02.000 I apologize, Chuck, safe travels, my friend, enjoy the meta apex, 1:55:02.840 --> 1:55:05.760 and I look forward to your coverage. All right, man, 1:55:06.520 --> 1:55:09.880 very good for Charles Mindenhall. I'm Luke Thomas. Thank you 1:55:09.960 --> 1:55:12.360 all so much for watching. We're out of here until 1:55:12.360 --> 1:55:14.520 next time. May all of your gains be loyal