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Speaker 1: This is all life, this is our passion.

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Speaker 2: I'm look Thomas, I'm this this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: We gotta get Chuck his own intro. What's going on? Everyone? Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Fights are back. They are back.

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Speaker 2: They are finally back in our life, and we are

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Speaker 2: here to preview them and talk about so much more.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Morning Combat on this nineteenth day of January

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. My name is Thomas. I am merely

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Speaker 2: one half of your hosting duo, joined by my friend

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Speaker 2: and yours.

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Speaker 1: Again. I just can't get rid of these Connecticut bubba's.

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Speaker 1: But here he is.

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Speaker 3: It's Chuckman. What's up, Iceman? How are you just true?

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Speaker 3: I guess yeah, You're last guy was Connecticut too. I

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Speaker 3: guess that's where all the talents is for this chair, right.

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Speaker 1: That's where all the available talent is. I suppose.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how to say it. I'm ready for

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Speaker 3: round two, man. You know that's when I come to life.

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Speaker 3: This is our second show, and this is usually when

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Speaker 3: I start to show up.

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Speaker 1: You know that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course all feel out round like Bud Crawford. Yes,

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Speaker 2: congratulations to your Broncos and also sorry about your Broncos.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that fun? But I was happy.

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Speaker 2: I was happy to see the Bills lose because, uh, well,

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Speaker 2: their fan base is intolerable, let's just be honest.

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Speaker 1: About I've found that to be the case.

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Speaker 3: But I do know, I feel like I know more

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Speaker 3: So some of those people I like, and so there's

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Speaker 3: it's kind of always bittersweet when they when they get

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Speaker 2: The reason why you know so many Bills fans in

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Speaker 2: and they're also close talkers in person.

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Speaker 3: They are close talkers. You knew the people I know

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Speaker 3: here in town. You know exactly that that's true.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Josh Allen's the best quarterback in the league. Really,

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Speaker 2: why does he keep going home sad flexibly with cheese

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Speaker 2: on your face afterward? Yeah, all right, we have a

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Speaker 2: lot to get to today, Chuck. So we're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: about UFC three twenty four, which is finally here. We'll

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Speaker 2: have a bit of a boxing roundup closer to the

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Speaker 2: end of the show, there's been an update on referees

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Speaker 2: understanding the problems with ipokes. John Annik has talked about

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Speaker 2: how he would change the UFC product and so much more.

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Speaker 2: what do you have going on for planned coverage? I

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Speaker 2: know you're going to Vegas this week, yes, And I

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Speaker 1: To the zoofa boxing event. Are you going to through

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Speaker 3: I'll do a column coming out of UFC three twenty four,

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Speaker 3: but we felt like to be at the event. You're like, well,

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Speaker 2: another white guy here to give his opinions. It's Long

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Speaker 1: Shout out to him. Going to impregnate for his birthday.

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Speaker 7: those days. Also, me and my girlfriend seven year anniversary today. Wow,

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Speaker 1: How many live streams are you going to do? From me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Last thing on this appreciate you long. Last thing

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Speaker 1: I did that. I did the Jake Paul fight on

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Speaker 2: God that was that was such a stupid idea.

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Speaker 2: here Topic number one. What else would we talk about?

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Speaker 2: The fights are back, Ladies and gentlemen, They are back.

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Speaker 2: UFC three twenty four is this weekend, and of course

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Speaker 1: You've always given me a number of how many wars

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Speaker 8: Been my line. Yeah, it never happened. So I wasn't like,

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Speaker 2: He made a very very very special era of lightweight.

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00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,879
Speaker 2: You can patrols Olifer in that as well. Who's getting

436
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,240
Speaker 2: kind of at There's just been a really, really, really

437
00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:03,880
Speaker 2: special run. And if you look at the current crop

438
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,399
Speaker 2: of lightweights, I think they're very good, and certainly the

439
00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,440
Speaker 2: guys at the top like sar Yuki and Tuporia, I

440
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,480
Speaker 2: think are really really good and I'm glad that they're there,

441
00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,320
Speaker 2: but I don't think there's quite as much of the

442
00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,399
Speaker 2: same thing. They're not easily going to be replaced. I

443
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,679
Speaker 2: think he's part of that. But to your point, he

444
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,520
Speaker 2: was a guy from World Tears of Fighting. There was

445
00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,399
Speaker 2: a they never called remember James Vitt called him the

446
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,879
Speaker 2: Homer Simpson of MMS, where he was just oh, you

447
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 2: just get hit a bunch, and then he flattened him

448
00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,200
Speaker 2: and went out and he actually, I think over it,

449
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:35,520
Speaker 2: justin Gatchee has massively overachieved relative to his style. His style,

450
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,200
Speaker 2: he should have been finished in the sport a while ago,

451
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,880
Speaker 2: but because he is a special kind of fighter, he's

452
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,119
Speaker 2: transcended that. The interesting part about me for this spout

453
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,960
Speaker 2: is if he wins the interim belt, is a two

454
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,640
Speaker 2: time interim champion equivalent to a champion. I don't think

455
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 2: that it is, but it's not nothing. But if he loses,

456
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 2: I don't think it actually ruins his legacy either. It

457
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 2: just kind of seals what we understand him in place.

458
00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 2: It freezes him, so to speak, in the Star Wars

459
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,640
Speaker 2: universe carbonite, and there's really nothing else there to advance.

460
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 2: The only way any of this really changes how we

461
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 2: understand him long term is if he goes out there,

462
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 2: beats Patty and then does something special in the fight thereafter. Otherwise, again,

463
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 2: it's not to say he's not done an amazing things,

464
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 2: but this fight doesn't.

465
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's it's critical to change, but by itself doesn't.

466
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,199
Speaker 3: Do much I think, no, you're right, man, And like

467
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 3: the fact that he, like you were mentioning that, like

468
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 3: when he came over, you're talking about the lightweight field

469
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 3: when he came over. How exciting was that the idea

470
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 3: that you're now putting this guy who was the champion

471
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,879
Speaker 3: over there who fought you remember the leg kicks and

472
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 3: everything like with the U and Luis Palomino and the guys,

473
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,119
Speaker 3: like he was blowing up over there, and you're like,

474
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 3: you're putting this guy now into the fold of all

475
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 3: these guys who are already here. It did make for a

476
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 3: crazy era. But more to your point, man, like I

477
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 3: hadn't thought of this until we were kind of like

478
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,439
Speaker 3: putting together the show and you'd mentioned this, But like

479
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 3: it is a huge hinge moment because if he wins

480
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 3: a title, I do feel like, you know, he wins

481
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 3: an actual title, and you know, we see how everything

482
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 3: plays out this year, it does change things for him

483
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 3: because you know how it is. It's like Justin Poier

484
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 3: is one of those guys who kept changing, you know,

485
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 3: changing the perception of him as time went on and

486
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 3: became like a more beloved figure even if you didn't

487
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 3: win everything, like he became like this beloved figure. I

488
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 3: think that you would have to look at like Justin

489
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 3: Gaege and be like man the BMF title, you know,

490
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 3: just standing in there, even though he didn't win that exchange,

491
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 3: it became he became like the you know, posterized by

492
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: by Holloway and that in that crazy ass exchange one

493
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 3: of the craziest things we've seen in the sport. But

494
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 3: to just come back from that and win a title,

495
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: I do think that that, you know, that would be

496
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 3: something that we would look at and I think you

497
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 3: would have to consider with Justin Gatchie forever after that man,

498
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 3: because that kind of perseverance is also very unique to

499
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,479
Speaker 3: a guy like him.

500
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 2: This is interesting to think about which is on the

501
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 2: other side of the equation with Pad Pimblet. Clearly the

502
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 2: UFC has big expectations for him, not merely to help

503
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 2: mature and nurture the UK market, but just as a

504
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: guy that the fans whether they like them or they

505
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: hate him, and most people seem to like him, but

506
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: he can be a lightning rod in a variety of

507
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 2: ways that there's just a lot of buzz around him.

508
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: So what happens like do you think the UFC would

509
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 2: be better if Justin Geechee won in the sense that A,

510
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 2: it doesn't add much to his legacy to be a

511
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: two time interim champion, and b now you've ruined the

512
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 2: party on the other side, I guess it kind of

513
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: tells you what they expect to happen.

514
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: I don't think they think that Gatege's gonna win.

515
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 3: They don't book. You know, if it was about Justin

516
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 3: gate Like, let's put it this way, it would be

517
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 3: Patty versus arm On, Right, if they weren't worried about Patty,

518
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 3: if they weren't trying get him, they would be like, well,

519
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 3: you just put this guy who deserves it. Justin's pushed

520
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: out the equation you have these two guys go at it.

521
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 3: The reason Justin's in there, I think is because the

522
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 3: new era they want to associate with a guy who

523
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 3: is a firebrand who comes in and, you know, like

524
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 3: Paddy Pimblet and realizes, you know, he wins a title

525
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: and he's able to kind of set up whatever next

526
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 3: in that division, which could be a couple of different scenarios.

527
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 3: So's it'd be in a very healthy position. And I

528
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: think Patty is a guy that would draw casual interest

529
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 3: back into the sport right away and all that stuff.

530
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 3: So you're right, this is one of those situations where

531
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 3: Justin Gaegie gets the like he gets the chance to

532
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 3: kind of blow up the plans here and this is

533
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: I don't know how you feel about this fight, but

534
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 3: the end there's no animosity. It's almost like everything's off center.

535
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: When they look at each other, they just have admiration.

536
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 3: They've said some things, but it's like it's mostly like

537
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 3: I like this guy. He just it's necessary. You've all

538
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 3: just got to go beat him. Meanwhile, you know, like

539
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 3: Dan Hooker and Patty Pimblet are like, you know, bad

540
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: blood brewing like back and forth, and you got Armann

541
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 3: out there, which Patty has commented on and Justin has

542
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 3: looked at him as well. It's a very strange setup.

543
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 3: It just it feels like in that sense that you're right,

544
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 3: the gayche's being placed in there basically to get Patty

545
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: over in the wrestling term, right, like to get him

546
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 3: over and be like here we go. Now we enter

547
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 3: this era and we've seen this before man, where whatever

548
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: that plan is doesn't work, and it would be very

549
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 3: interesting if it doesn't. I suppose the worst case scenario, right,

550
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 3: is that you have Justin Gaichee who's never done the

551
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: UFC wrong, and that's in delivering fight. So if he's

552
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 3: your champion, you'll be fine. But that's not the way

553
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 3: they're designing it.

554
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: Here.

555
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 2: The DraftKings odds have Geichee at plus one ninety Pimblet

556
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: at minus two thirty. Of course, all of those are

557
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: subject to change, they can change between now and then,

558
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: but they kind of indicate, I think, pretty correctly what

559
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: the odds should be that Pimblet deserves to be the favorite,

560
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: but it's not so. I mean, so it's strong, but

561
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: it's not so overwhelming that you could not imagine a

562
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: case for Geige to win. Let's talk about Patty for

563
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: just a second here now. In his case, I will

564
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: tell you I did not see him even becoming an

565
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: interim champion, and his improvement to me has been real.

566
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: He's filled out dramatically in this weight class. That's another

567
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: thing I didn't see coming.

568
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: Well. He was at one forty five.

569
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: Someone once asked me, like, you'll this was back when

570
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: this was back when to PORI was at forty five,

571
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: and even before he was championed, like long before that,

572
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: and they were like, you know, oh, what happens if

573
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: Taporia fights Patty?

574
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, you might kill him. It's a mismatch. You know,

575
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: you can't even do something like that.

576
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: But to his credit, I remember, yes, Yeah, to his credit,

577
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,239
Speaker 2: he has actually improved significantly. And now I still think

578
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: I would picked Pory to beat him ten times out

579
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: of ten, but his ascendancy. This was a guy you

580
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: know people also talking about like favoritism in the fight

581
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: game and like did he have some coming from Cage Warriors? Sure,

582
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: but it all kind of worked. Like favoritism in the

583
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 2: fight game can backfire, but when it works, you have

584
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 2: to acknowledge it as well. Clearly the UFC favors him,

585
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 2: and an interim title Chuck as minimal as we might

586
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: count it as an award, I think in his case

587
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: would actually be something of a freaking achievement. It's the

588
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 2: same thing that Gaichie had and that had. It puts

589
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: him in some pretty interesting company.

590
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 3: It really does. And to your point, man, it's it

591
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: would be fairly remarkable to look back on because I

592
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: think with Pa pimblet it he felt more like a

593
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: novelty that the UFC brought in than he did a

594
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: legitimate contender, and they even in the in the early

595
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: fights against Vargus and some of those guys that he

596
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: was standing in against, they weren't easy for him. You know,

597
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: he looked like he kind of he would get clipped

598
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: too easily. Like it just looked like he was he

599
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 3: would get himself into trouble. And I just remember back

600
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: in those like in that time, you're you're thinking like, well,

601
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 3: we'll see how long this goes. But it felt very

602
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: much like a novelty, like you're just watching this guy

603
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: who has this, uh, you know, this fan base he

604
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: brings over, and we'll see how long that goes. For

605
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: him to end up in this position and to actually

606
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 3: win a title would be fairly remarkable because this is

607
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 3: a guy who has had to deal with larger amounts

608
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 3: of scrutiny I guess you know what I mean, Like

609
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 3: he's been forced to have to deliver in situations because

610
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: he's you know, he's he talks a big game and

611
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 3: when you get in there, if he doesn't deliver, it's

612
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 3: going to look very poorly on him. He's been able

613
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: to do that, and honestly, man, like, yeah, you got

614
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: Tony Ferguson, who's long and tooth kind of way past his.

615
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: Prime, and you get a guy like Michael Chandler.

616
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: This to me, even though Geychee's pretty old, but this

617
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 3: to me is like, if you're able to get through

618
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: Justin Geechee, and I don't think you're seeing a hugely

619
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 3: diminished Justin Geigee, if you're able to do that to him,

620
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: I think that that is one of the stories that

621
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 3: we have to look at in our sport and be like, wow, man,

622
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: this dude really capitalized in a way that I never

623
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: saw coming. I personally didn't see it coming. And I

624
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: remember talking to people who'd watched him in England beforehand

625
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: and just kind of the way he took losses, the

626
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 3: way he was almost suicidal at certain points, and they

627
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 3: would wonder about his mentality if he was even cut

628
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 3: for the fight game in a long term situation. So

629
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 3: you get into this situation now, man, it's a fairly

630
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: remarkable I know he's kind of almost downplaying it, you

631
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 3: know what I mean, But this is a big deal

632
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 3: for him.

633
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: Why do you think he's done playing it? I don't know, man.

634
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 3: I saw an interview and it just seemed like he

635
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: was like, you know, maybe he's he has almost like

636
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 3: soporific delivery. Sometimes he doesn't really feel like he's you know,

637
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 3: fully awake sometimes, but he was. He was just kind

638
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: of saying like it'd be great to be the champion,

639
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 3: but it was almost like it was not the the

640
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: end all for him and all that stuff. But I

641
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 3: just to me, it feels like though he's not really

642
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 3: seeing it, Like I'm just pointing out, it's not like

643
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 3: he sees it as this escalation in this moment to

644
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: kind of like put a bow on something that you know,

645
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: he came from a from these very hard beginnings and

646
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 3: here he is. I just I didn't get that sense

647
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: from him. Maybe that all changes with the emotions on

648
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: fight night, but he's he's just kind of downplayed it,

649
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: you know, I don't I don't know why, to be honest.

650
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is I think he almost sees

651
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: it as automatic. Let's play this video here. Patty thinks

652
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: that it's actually fate that he's gonna end up unifying

653
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: the title opposite Eliotaporia side It's fate.

654
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 5: Oh man. It was meant so often because a lot

655
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 5: was just over non for now, we just dislike each

656
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 5: other known to man, and I'll just bet a fight.

657
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: I think he's a billion fire, He's a lot.

658
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 5: Up until Armon Forts, I was thinking arm was the

659
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 5: tougher fight, and then when I face off, they've seen

660
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 5: so many holes in his game, so they leaves the

661
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 5: toughest fight out there. People think Islam's plan for pound

662
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 5: number one. He's number two, and I want to beat

663
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 5: some mother. I want to be on that planful pound list.

664
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 5: I want to show everyone why we have weight divisions

665
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 5: and that he's just too small to beat me. And

666
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 5: as I say, on a professional level, I'm I think

667
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 5: he's a very good fighter. He's cause champion for I'll

668
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 5: be an even better one.

669
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: You have to love the moxy. You have to love

670
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: just a breezy kind of confidence that this is all

671
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: set up. I mean maybe you feel that way when

672
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: you're fighting nothing but dudes in their late thirties and

673
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: early forties.

674
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: Well that is true, man. I mean like he is

675
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: getting the platter of the you mentioned. You mentioned you know,

676
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: the lightweight the lightweight division being a golden era through

677
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: the through all those fights, he's kind of, you know,

678
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: getting the leftovers of that of that division at this.

679
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: Point people, people, which is true, like you have like,

680
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: this is one of those things where like you see

681
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: you'll see this all the time if you watch fights

682
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: long enough, where like again, this was a similar kind

683
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: of criticism that was levied against John Jones. Here he

684
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: comes and he's beating Rampage and Showgun and Macheetah and

685
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: Bait or two. But that was obviously before the title

686
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: run itself, and everyone's like, oh, he's just beating all

687
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: the old guys. I'm like, that's the job. That's the

688
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: job of someone who is taking out a division and

689
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: is instituting generational change. Now I'm not saying that's what

690
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: Patty is going to do, because we're talking about John

691
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: at the title level doing that.

692
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, less so at the pre title level, but you

693
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: know that's the job.

694
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: At the same time, though, Chuck, the other thing that's

695
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: what I have you come back to is like, Okay,

696
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: it's great to beat all the unks, but it's not

697
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: the same as beating.

698
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: The Armins and the ilias. You know what I mean.

699
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: Well, And it's also that like at some point in time,

700
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: you've seen Gaechee fight everybody, right, Like you've kind of

701
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: seeing him fight and everybody, like you said, it's the

702
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: job to go in there, but it's also the game itself.

703
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: The game itself is saying like the young guy has

704
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: to come up and get rid of these old guys,

705
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: and we do it again. It reimagines everything. We have

706
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: fresh matchups all over the place, and uh, you know,

707
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 3: the excitement level or I guess the imagination of the

708
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: fight game has a whole different meaning. If Patty is

709
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 3: holding that belt, even even for a little while, like

710
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: you're gonna have he mentions it, they have a they

711
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: have an ongoing you know thing that at some point

712
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: maybe they can do something about it.

713
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: It's just you get a lot of he's able.

714
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: He's been very good at just kind of setting the

715
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: table for his run, which maybe it is fate, maybe

716
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: he's maybe that's how he views it, but he's done

717
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: a very good job and it just opens up the imagination.

718
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 3: Whereas a gay chee, you know, at some point you're like, well,

719
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: what who else do we want to see him fight?

720
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: We've kind of seen him fight the gamut and all

721
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: these new guys that are coming up doesn't excite you

722
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: as much.

723
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: And the truth is last thing on us.

724
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: We'll talk about the comin event, which is you need

725
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: people to do what Patty has the opportunity to do.

726
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: It's not at I mean, okay, it's.

727
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: Technically at the title level because it's an interim one,

728
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: but for the sake of argument, it's not the real

729
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: title level.

730
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: Obviously.

731
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: You need young guys to beat up the old guys,

732
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: and you need them to replace to be replaced, like you.

733
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: That's good for a division when that happens, and not

734
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: for nothing, Chuck, he's not an American. The UFC could

735
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: use some stars obviously in UK as well. We don't

736
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: know what the hell's gonna happen with Tom aspinall, and

737
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: you know, Leon's on his way out like Patty, would

738
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: be revitalizing both for the UFC brand. We're broadly in

739
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: that market. Now, let's talk about that co made event.

740
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: With the time we have remni here for this topic.

741
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be Kayla Harrison and Amanda Dunaz.

742
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: That's gonna be postponed for you know, however, many months.

743
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: We'll see how that goes. So they moved up Sean

744
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: O'Malley versus song Ya Doong, Chuck True or false. I mean,

745
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: what a what a turn of events for Sean O'Malley

746
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: who gets wasted by Mirob dawallash wee Lea twice in

747
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: basically ten months or something like that, and you think

748
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: it's completely out of the title picture. Then he loses

749
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: to Yawan, who Showan O'Malley technically beat. He's facing song

750
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: you dong if he wins. I'm talking about Sean O'Malley.

751
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: It's a guaranteed title shot, is it not?

752
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: No, it definitely is. It definitely is.

753
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: It's actually and it's crazy how this works because you

754
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: got you have a guy. I think when O'Malley lost

755
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: the second time to Morob, you're basically like, what happens now?

756
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: This is a guy who he's not playing at the

757
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: top of a head.

758
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: If there's a possibility of a title does he just

759
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: go to a different weight class. He's kind of cut

760
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: out that way, like as a competitor and like as

761
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: a as a personality, uh not to just hang around.

762
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: But yet the guy that he gets stuck behind Morob,

763
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: you know, tries to make history and loses this fight

764
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: and all it does is exonerate you know, like O'Malley

765
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: and puts him into this new space where it's like,

766
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: hey man, I've got the inside track. They would completely

767
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: give O'Malley the title if he's able to go in

768
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: there and do work, especially in the first card of

769
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: the year like this. In a comin event, they're definitely

770
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: going to put him against Uh yawn because that fight.

771
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: The first fight was very close. You I don't know

772
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: if you remember like watching it in real time, but

773
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: it was. It was very close in the sense that

774
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: there was a lot of volume from O'Malley and but

775
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: he kind.

776
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: Of outstruck him.

777
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 3: But the efficiency went to Yan and Yon like put

778
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: him on his back like a bunch of times. He

779
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: had like almost six minutes. He had six takedowns for

780
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 3: almost six minutes of control time. Could you could have

781
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 3: easily given that fight the other way? And I think

782
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: a lot of people thought Yon wonted so like you

783
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: have a controversy to actually it feels unresolved. There's no

784
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 3: way in hell the USC would missed that opportunity to

785
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 3: pu him against Peter Yaan Again.

786
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: What happens if he loses.

787
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: Now, this is obviously the biggest win of Song ya

788
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: Dong's career, but would it be fair to say that

789
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: if O'Malley loses to someone like this, and I know

790
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 2: he lost a chooto verra on his run up, but

791
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: that was semi injury related and obviously he avenged that

792
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: lost pretty convincingly, so he's not really lost to a

793
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: guy of this level. Does it move Sean O'Malley to

794
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: forty five?

795
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 3: I think so in the sense that what we were

796
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: just talking about, he strikes me as a guy who

797
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: if he if he doesn't have if he can't be

798
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 3: at the top of the game, right, if he can't

799
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 3: be near the top or threatening for the top, I

800
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: don't know.

801
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if he just wants to play.

802
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: In the kind of more like middle the middle ground

803
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: with the other guys like he's he sees himself, even

804
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: though he downplays it a little bit like, I think

805
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: he sees himself as that guy. So I think one

806
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: forty five fresh matchups that would probably be the way

807
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: to go.

808
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: I know he's not super eager.

809
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: To do that, but if he wants to remain kind

810
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: of vital, and also maybe where maybe that's the track,

811
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: maybe that's where you follow the money a little bit too.

812
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: I think that that would be the move.

813
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: I just can't imagine him just wanting to work his

814
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: way back from uh, you know, from I guess a

815
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: three fight losing streak at that point, right, yeah, I mean.

816
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: Also like not for nothing.

817
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: But you know, people are constantly complaining like, oh, so

818
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: and so is an industry plant or they're getting unfair

819
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: you know, a boost, and it's like, dude, I mean,

820
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: on the one hand, yes, he has the win over Yon,

821
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: which makes this you know, it would make a potentially

822
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: revenge fight, certainly a rematch, and that has a certain

823
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: kind of appeal. But at the same time we talked

824
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: about it, Chuck like UFC is going to be trying

825
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: to find any American they can't to push to the

826
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: front of the line to help revitalize I think this

827
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: market to a degree, like Sean O'Malley is just sitting

828
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: in a really great opportunity. Songa Dong is no joke,

829
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: but it's such a fortuitous position. On the other side,

830
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: beast or excuse me, I'm god, I gotta get.

831
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: Used to it.

832
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: The other side, shock, I apologize, Yeah, I know, I

833
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: got a drink. On the other side of it, songa dongdud,

834
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: This would be far and away his biggest win. Here's

835
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: a guy who's been kind of maturing, kind of maturing,

836
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: getting better, but I don't think he in my mind,

837
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a real signature win. He's got good wins,

838
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: but the Sahuda win doesn't count.

839
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: Do you share that assessment, Yes, one hundred percent.

840
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 3: I think that that's his big moment of rival, right,

841
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 3: like his big moment where you're like, Okay, that dude

842
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: is for real or whatever. It's definitely this is exactly

843
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: the kind of name he needs. It's kind of a

844
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: I feel like it's one of those situations like we've

845
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: seen them many many times in this game where a

846
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: guy is kind of cast in a position where you know,

847
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: if he wins, which is the whole objective, you kinda

848
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: you might piss people off ultimately, right because people are like, oh,

849
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: we wanted to see the O'Malley thing. They're not really

850
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: contemplating you. They're kind of looking past you towards other things.

851
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 3: And that's where he's That's where he's at. Man, he's

852
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: being cast into this position. He's very he's still a

853
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: young guy. He's had some great fights. He doesn't have

854
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 3: that signature win and he goes in there and does business.

855
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: You can't worry about all that perception. You just got

856
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 3: to go get your you know, secure your own bag,

857
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 3: get that title shot for yourself, and let the chips

858
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 3: hoover in. They may, but I know in the short

859
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 3: term that would be a bit of a buzzkill for

860
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 3: a lot of people for the very reason that you're mentioning,

861
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: which is just trying to get especially with this White

862
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: House card looming, some American you know, some American title

863
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 3: holders again are getting guys back into that space.

864
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: UFC would probably love nothing more. And as a matter

865
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: of fact, we have clip here. O'Malley wants to fight

866
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: on at the White House.

867
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: Let's see it.

868
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 9: Meevers Peter at the White House just makes sense. I

869
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 9: don't know what else they what else?

870
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: What else?

871
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 9: What's a bigger fight than that? If we're going off

872
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 9: just pure big fights. If you're going off you know

873
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 9: what makes the absolute most sense, which is not always

874
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 9: what the USC goes off of. I think Morob deserves

875
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 9: a title shot, but if you're going off of, what

876
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 9: the fuck is the biggest fight? You know, Mever's Peter

877
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 9: rematch at the White House seems like the biggest.

878
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 10: Fight and we need someone to represent you were saying

879
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 10: that White House because what I seen.

880
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I would like to say that I disagree

881
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 2: in purposes of meritocracy for Morob.

882
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that I do. I don't think that

883
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: I do. No, I don't think so.

884
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: Also, the first fight was under dispute about who actually

885
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: was exactly.

886
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 3: That's the biggest, you know, thing in his back pocket

887
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: is just there are a lot of people who thought, oh,

888
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 3: Maley lost that fight and he ends up getting his

889
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 3: hand raised. So now you have a rematch to kind

890
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 3: of resolve that whole issue. And dude, after Yawn did

891
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: work to Morob at the end of the year and

892
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: put on his master class performance, that's a huge fight

893
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: for him too. So I just can't imagine that they

894
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: would rush Morob back into that space when you have

895
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: that kind of fight sitting there ready made.

896
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

897
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: There's a million other things we could pick from, but

898
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: in the interest of time, I'm just gonna go.

899
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: To punt to you here.

900
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: Any other storyline that you kind of have your eye

901
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: on that stands out well.

902
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 3: I mean, this kid, twenty three year old at TIBA

903
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 3: got man, Like, that's a guy you have you been

904
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 3: watching him?

905
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: Man?

906
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: I mean like from the middleweight division. He's completely freaking yoked.

907
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 3: He goes in there and it's like every punch looks

908
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: like it's just going to just drop the curtain on

909
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: whoever he's aiming at. And literally that has been the

910
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 3: case so far. He's got a fight coming up. I

911
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: know that they have he's got to fight on this card.

912
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: They have him again at something like a minus one

913
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 3: thousand favorite to go in there and.

914
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: Just smash a guy.

915
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: So it's like, it's these things are always a lot

916
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: of fun because you're still in the showcase mode. But dude, like,

917
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: pay attention to this guy. I think that the thing

918
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: I realized I was I was. I haven't been to

919
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: a lot of ufcs over the last couple of years,

920
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: but I was at a last one at UFC three twenty,

921
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: and it's just like every time he throws, there's something

922
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 3: in that building. This is fun when you get a

923
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: guy like this, Like every time he throws, you're like,

924
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: oh shit, here we go. You know it just everything

925
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 3: is so has such bad intention. So I'm looking forward.

926
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that he's able to kind of keep building

927
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: because that division could definitely use a monster coming up.

928
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: I love that.

929
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see how he looks. Also, I'm

930
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: gonna just throw in here. Rosanama unis now Listen. She

931
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: currently sits at thirty three years of age. That's not old,

932
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: but she's been and she does have a ton of fights,

933
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: just twenty professional fights. That's not nothing, but that's not

934
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: a huge amount necessarily. But she's been fighting kind of

935
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: for a long amount of time, Chuck. She's gone through

936
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: a lot of ups and downs and journeys and titles

937
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: and big wins and big losses. She is coming off

938
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: a win over Miranda Maverick, which is nice. But if

939
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: she loses to Natalia Silva, I just don't know what

940
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: this does to her title opportunity. She still will have

941
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: a big name. I'm not saying that she would be

942
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: rendered ineligible, but she's been up and down. She beats

943
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: he Boss, she beats Cortes, that's great, but then loses

944
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: to Blanchefield bounds against Maverick. You know, but to keep

945
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: some kind of winning streak alive, to get back to

946
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: an opportunity, which not for nothing. This division feels wide open.

947
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: It might be a strong word, but still available for

948
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: the taking. I suppose in some ways, No, that's not

949
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: quite not right either, But I don't think a title's

950
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: out of reach, I guess is the way that I

951
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 2: would put that, given how things can change at the top,

952
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: and so a win here is not like, oh, it's

953
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: win or go home, but it's not far from that.

954
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: It feels like this needs to be something she can

955
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: put together convincingly.

956
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: And it's also weird because I think that she's one

957
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 3: of those fighters who you're like, in a condensed version,

958
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 3: you look at her career and you're like, she did

959
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: so much.

960
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: She did so much.

961
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: We first saw her coming at twenty two years old,

962
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 3: you know, coming off the ultimate fighter fighting Carla Sparza,

963
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: losing her first thing, getting compared to you know, the

964
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: next Ronda Rousey, all that stuff, so big time kind

965
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: of expectations probably unfair placed on her. Overcome all that

966
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 3: have a career where she you know, wins titles twice,

967
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 3: beat some of the best, I mean the very best

968
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 3: women in the strawweight division with Zangueli and also Yoanna

969
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: a couple of times, just fights that you will always

970
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: think back on it, like, oh, my god.

971
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: I remember when that happened.

972
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: It was already to the point where it's like, well,

973
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: the title doesn't even mean that. She was almost talking

974
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: about it, like who cares about the title anymore? Like

975
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 3: I've kind of done everything. This is her years ago.

976
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: So now in the weight class that she's in, I

977
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 3: think that the hunger to kind of hold the belt

978
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: again is still there, even though she you know, I

979
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: don't think that she necessarily went there specifically to win

980
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: it again. I think she just wanted to do the

981
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 3: new weight class. But she's she's right there, man, and

982
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: I feel like that's actually like a huge legacy defining

983
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: thing if you're able to go up weight class kind

984
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: of persevere with the loss you mentioned, like to Blanchefield,

985
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 3: and like, you know, put yourself in a position where

986
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 3: you win another one. The Rosana Mayuna story is a

987
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: wild one in the end, so I you know her

988
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: her path is right there. I agree with you, though,

989
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: if she loses, it's one of the situations You're like,

990
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 3: I don't know where that leaves rosanama unis. I don't

991
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: know if she I don't even think I don't even

992
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: think she has interest in going back down I've never

993
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: heard her really talking about maybe you've heard mention of this,

994
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 3: but like, obviously she could if she wanted to, because

995
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: she owns you know, she's beat that. I guess what,

996
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: I presume will be the champion again at some point

997
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: in the Jiangulie a couple of times, so like she

998
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: could maybe still do something like that.

999
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: But ultimately, it.

1000
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: Feels like for' thirty three years old, it feels like

1001
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: she's been in this game forever. And I'm not sure

1002
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: how much she would want to do any of that stuff.

1003
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: And I again, I don't I don't discount her skill,

1004
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: and I don't think she's over the hill. But Natalia Silva,

1005
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say this probably has a much greater

1006
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 2: degree of hunger, oh yeah, at this point than Rose does.

1007
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean again, that doesn't mean she's better,

1008
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: but that could make the difference. And who gets their

1009
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: hand raised if we can. We got to move this along.

1010
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: Here, Chuck. It's got a topic number two two, which.

1011
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: Is I gotta say I saw this news and I

1012
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: was elated. How about this for a UFC announcement, The

1013
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: UFC announced Featherweight's Josh Emmett and the Argentine Kevin I'm

1014
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: trying to how did BC pronounce it? Kevin hos uh

1015
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: like the most gringo pronunciation ever, Kevin uh Fahe host

1016
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 2: will headline and it really was pronounced. So I'll explain

1017
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: it just a second. All right, Well, headline an APEX

1018
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 2: event in March. Now, obviously the UFC believes in the

1019
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: Argentine here are pretty big. They're pairing him with an

1020
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: aging slugger. Is the answer to this pairing as simple

1021
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: as it puts him in the top ten? Or do

1022
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: you read a little bit more into why they put

1023
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: these two together?

1024
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: No, not really because and also the other side of

1025
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: the equation, Josh Emmett like forty years old, right, like

1026
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: what do you what are you supposed to do for

1027
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: with him? It's kind of like what we were talking

1028
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: about before. You've kind of seen Josh emmittt again. You

1029
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: kind of know at this point what a ceiling is obviously,

1030
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: like it's forty years old. He's not going to do

1031
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: crazy things. So you put him against the guy like

1032
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 3: a younger, way younger generationally younger guy who's coming up,

1033
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: you know, smoking everybody, and it's kind of making his

1034
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 3: move and you take whatever juice is left of Josh

1035
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 3: Emmitt's name. And I mean it's still a fun fight

1036
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: because Josh hits so hard and always his game to

1037
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 3: go in there and mix it up. It makes for

1038
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 3: a fun fight. But I do think that it's another

1039
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 3: one of those situations where and I'm maybe I'm reading

1040
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: way into this with the paramount plus thing, but like

1041
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: on a card where you're kind of introducing a new

1042
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: era and you're kind of pushing these new uh you're

1043
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 3: kind of pushing guys like you know, you're trying to

1044
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: push guys over who maybe we weren't paying close attention

1045
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: to before. That makes sense to me that you'd want

1046
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: a guy like Kevin, you know what I mean, right

1047
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: into that top ten because he's the one who's going

1048
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: to bring excitement.

1049
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: He had that fight. Was it chicase that it was

1050
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: his last fight? Yeah?

1051
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: And I mean it was fair to me. I was like,

1052
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 3: all right, you know, I'm convinced that this guy is

1053
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: now going to do exactly what it looks like they're

1054
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 3: trying to get him to do, which is kind of

1055
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: busting the top ten to be a problem. And uh,

1056
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: I kind of like it because I think that you're

1057
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: still saying to Josh Emmett like, hey, we're gonna give

1058
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 3: you a dude who you're not supposed to beat, right,

1059
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: And sometimes that can speak to like a competitor's like non,

1060
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 3: I watch you know.

1061
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: That's that sort of thing.

1062
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 3: And from his motivational standpoint, you're like, well, I want

1063
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: to I want to prevent this guy from taking my spot.

1064
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: But we know how the US, we know what the

1065
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 3: UFC is thinking when they booked this fight.

1066
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any question, by the way, on

1067
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: the pronunciation. And again, okay, I don't know if I

1068
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: don't know if I told you this. I'm now taking

1069
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: Spanish classes, are you really Yeah, Like I'm an adult

1070
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: learner showing up and being like, oh, lay, I'm a

1071
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: room you know, may gusta taco bell and all this

1072
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: bullshit or whatever. You know, Like I have to do

1073
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: a bunch of that and it's very embarrassing because I'm

1074
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: not very good at it. But the pronunciation here, I've

1075
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: had this conversation a million times with other folks. Uh,

1076
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: there's just a million different regional accents in in Spanish,

1077
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: and because he's Argentine, they do two l's next to

1078
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 2: each other, like the letter like the sounds like that's

1079
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: how they do it.

1080
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: So like, for example, the word street.

1081
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: In Spanish is spelled c A l E, and they

1082
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: would pronounce that kashe.

1083
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: That's how they say it's so it's vachet Hosts. That's

1084
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: how they do it.

1085
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: But I mean you might hear his name like in Mexico,

1086
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: they would not pronounce it that way.

1087
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: I would pronounce it by yea.

1088
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 2: Anyway, dude, I love this fight for any number of reasons,

1089
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: not least of which is they're both sluggers, as you indicated.

1090
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: The other part, too, is not for nothing.

1091
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 2: If you look at the numbers on for shet Hosts,

1092
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 2: he lands five point seven to eight strikes per minute,

1093
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: which is very very very high. But he also absorbs

1094
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: four point seventy one like he puts himself right in

1095
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 2: the line of fire. And Emmett is limited in his weapons,

1096
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 2: but the limits are he's either got nuclear weapons or nothing,

1097
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So the so the consequences

1098
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: of getting that wrong against him can be catastrophic.

1099
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: To me.

1100
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: It's not just a place but inside the top ten,

1101
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: it's they're asking him a little bit to problem solve

1102
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: because if you can work behind a jab, if you're patient,

1103
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: if you can pressure, if you can set things up

1104
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: rather than I, you know, I kind of just bite

1105
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: down and go you you he this is a winnable fight.

1106
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it's a scrub, but I'm saying

1107
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: it's winnable for someone who is able to do those

1108
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: kinds of things. And we've seen that he's got, you know,

1109
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: incredible acrobatic You know that that that spinning shot he

1110
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: landed on on Gigachikazi was incredible. But he, you know,

1111
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: he takes a little bit of punishment to get there.

1112
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: Sometimes it takes a little bit of time to get there.

1113
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 2: This is to me, the UFC asking him graduate also

1114
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 2: not for nothing. Recall that you heard Laura Senko being like,

1115
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: you know, there's gonna be kind of like a violation

1116
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing, but that there's gonna be kind of like

1117
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: a violence premium put on who the UFC promotes going forward.

1118
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: And it just feels like, look at this pairing. I'm

1119
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 2: not saying that that wouldn't have happened prior to her

1120
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: making these statements about the future of the company, but

1121
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: what I am saying is it fits directly in line

1122
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: with that kind of a thing.

1123
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: Long may it rain for the future.

1124
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that so I didn't see this loora Cenko thing,

1125
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: But that does seem semi accurate to me, right this

1126
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 3: doesn't it seem like that. That's kind of the That's

1127
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 3: maybe the unspoken thing with the UFCS. Like I even

1128
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: with just I think those last years start to cut

1129
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: you off struck. But I think I don't have the

1130
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: same opinion about both. But I think there was enough

1131
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 3: consternation around the Hamzad fight and the Islam.

1132
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: Fights and other stuff that UFC.

1133
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 3: Was just like, what the fuck I mean, so a

1134
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 3: guy likes most are you know, evil, like you're you're

1135
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 3: I just feel like that's you know, the kind of

1136
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: treatment of a guy like that, right is in that

1137
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: fight in print, it's just kind of like, well, we

1138
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 3: want guys who are going to deliver again.

1139
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever sat in wait, like,

1140
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't know when the.

1141
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: UFCUH basically stopped doing this, but Dana used to always

1142
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: gather all the fighters on a card I think around

1143
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: the weighans essentially, and and tell them, you know, encourage

1144
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 3: them to go for broke to you know, die on

1145
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: their shields all that stuff. Obviously that has changed over time,

1146
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: but I get the sense that that kind of mindset

1147
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: is returning. You know, I don't know why I said

1148
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 3: that exactly, but there's just it's the indication is mostly

1149
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 3: within the matchmaking and uh and some of the guys

1150
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 3: that they're promoting and how they're promoting them. It just

1151
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: kind of gives you that indication like this is like

1152
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: the violence at a premium is the way to say it,

1153
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 3: because I feel like those kind of guys, if you're

1154
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 3: going to go in there and that's your mentality, it

1155
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: feels like you're going to get the rub and the

1156
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: guys like Momsar, who's been how many fights I don't

1157
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 3: know in the UFC and doesn't have any finishes, is

1158
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 3: going to have a hard time.

1159
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: Man.

1160
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 3: You know, I think that that's going to be the

1161
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: new way we look at the roster. It's not an

1162
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 3: automatic thing. If you put string together a bunch of wins,

1163
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: it might come down to, uh, are you you know

1164
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 3: Carlos Prochausen like or you know those Michael Morales. Are

1165
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 3: you going in there to destroy the guy in front

1166
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 3: of you? And The UFC loves those guys right now.

1167
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I think they like both sides of the

1168
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: forchhet host equation. They love the high output and they

1169
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know that he fucking gets banged

1170
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: up a little bit, least statistically speaking. Now, Long Island, look,

1171
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: he put this in the asset rundown ahead of the show.

1172
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: He long.

1173
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: I want's bring him in set this up for us.

1174
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 2: Look at the self satisfaction.

1175
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 6: I mean you, I said it was an optional clip.

1176
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 6: You could play it if you want.

1177
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: But I have to play this clip here. I think

1178
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 2: it's more roasting BC than it is me. Right, it's

1179
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: not roasting anyone.

1180
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 7: This was just my bold prediction for twenty twenty six

1181
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 7: at featherweight.

1182
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, let's go. I'm done rooting against

1183
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,959
Speaker 1: Long Island Lukes predictions. They're very Yeah, he's on fire.

1184
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: Let's go for our bold prediction. Let's go right to OCDA.

1185
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: What's your bold prediction? I fed the waight for the

1186
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: new year.

1187
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 7: This was similar to my women's bandon weight last year

1188
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 7: when I said about Holly Holm.

1189
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 6: Josh Emmett will headline a UFC event in twenty twenty six. Okay,

1190
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 6: they milked.

1191
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 7: This guy for all these words for the headliners he

1192
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 7: has lost, like top of my head, three in a row.

1193
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 6: Maybe even that ain't that bold, brother, that ain't that bold?

1194
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 6: So BC calls me out. It wasn't that bold of

1195
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 6: a prediction, but I mean it did come true.

1196
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: We're only yeah, I mean bold or not quite accurate.

1197
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: I have to say it's bald.

1198
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 3: I mean that dude does not does not a letter,

1199
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 3: but it is at the meta APEX right, And I

1200
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 3: wonder sometimes do we consider these main events still? Like

1201
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 3: I know it's a main event, but like I don't know.

1202
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: Whenever I see an APEX event, I'm like, oh, good,

1203
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 2: I can hang out with my family.

1204
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that's what that is.

1205
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. That's if if they're on the road

1206
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: for a fight night, that's different. Obviously, you know, numbered

1207
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: event totally different. Yeah, you know, And I'm not saying

1208
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: I won't watch the APEX ones live, but like I

1209
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: can look at that and be like, oh, if I

1210
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: want to hang out with my family tonight, I can

1211
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: do that because nobody fucking watching that ship. I will

1212
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: say this, do you see the jet you know Jack

1213
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: Slack the Yeah, like yeah, he had a hilarious tweet

1214
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: when Dana was like, Yo, now it's gonna be the

1215
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: meta motherfucking apex and uh he quotes tweeted.

1216
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: It and he goes genius business strategy to uh what

1217
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: did he say?

1218
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: There's like a genius strategy to you know, give naming

1219
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: rights to the thing we all hate, you know what

1220
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 2: I mean?

1221
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: It's so true. Now we got to say meta apex.

1222
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: I'm not You're not gonna play that game.

1223
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: I'm not saying meta apex. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not.

1224
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: You know, that's just not a thing that's going to

1225
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: happen on this on the show. For the stadium there

1226
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: in Washington will always be a RFK.

1227
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: No fuck RFK, it's gone. You know, it's I went

1228
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: on my first this is true. My first date with

1229
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: my wife was at RFK. It was a DC United

1230
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: now and it was raining and you know, I don't

1231
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: know if you I don't know if you know this,

1232
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: but the stadium, the seats they would bounce.

1233
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: And in fact, this is true.

1234
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 2: You might have seen the renderings of the new stadium

1235
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 2: they want to build on that same property. And one

1236
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: of the things that has been not this is not

1237
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: a joke. One of the things that's being requested is

1238
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: that they find a way to make in a safe, like,

1239
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, engineering controlled way to make the rows of

1240
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: the seats bounce. And I'm like, guys, I don't need

1241
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: that at all. Oh, it was some of our fondest

1242
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: memories in uh going to games.

1243
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: No the fuck it wasn't. You were close to death.

1244
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: Stop stop promoting this ship all right?

1245
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: Oh my lord, I never got to go there, but

1246
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 3: that the renderings, by the way, just look beautiful. That's

1247
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: one of the few stadiums I'm like, Okay, they might

1248
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 3: get this thing right.

1249
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: They might get it right.

1250
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 2: That thing was it was a mix between the Kennedy

1251
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: Center and the old RFK.

1252
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: You know, they actually did get it right.

1253
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: The last thing I'm gonna say on this too was

1254
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 2: I've seen the Nats play there. I've seen concerts there.

1255
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: I've saw the old Redskins play. I've seen one of

1256
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: the Commanders didn't play there. DC United I've seen played,

1257
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 2: I've seen like every I've been in every version of

1258
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: that stadium for however long it lasted.

1259
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: I live down the street. I grew up on East

1260
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: Capitol Street, So yeah, anyway, it was.

1261
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 3: A big deal back in there because those teams are

1262
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 3: so good, the Redskins teams, they were so good that

1263
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 3: you always thought about like their home field advantage.

1264
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: This is a true story.

1265
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: There was no there's a metro station there now, like

1266
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 2: right next to it is what's called the Stadium Armory,

1267
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: which is like a like a facility that the National

1268
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: Guard runs there. In fact, I saw on Spike TV.

1269
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: I was there. I saw Adrian Broner on Spike TV

1270
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: fight Ashley Theophane. Okay, that was.

1271
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: A rowdy crowd, but that metro didn't exist for the

1272
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: longest one. I grew up there, so people would just

1273
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: walk down East Capitol Street and throw trash in your yard.

1274
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: So after every Redskins game, we had to go in

1275
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: the yard and pick fucking trash out because it just

1276
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: be like thousands of people coming in and out. It's crazy.

1277
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to topic number three if we can.

1278
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: UFC commentator John Annix saying something I thought was very

1279
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: very interesting, namely, well, we'll play the clip here in

1280
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: just a second, but how he would change the UFC

1281
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 2: product if he had an opportunity to do so. Now

1282
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to spoil the answer.

1283
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,479
Speaker 2: So let's do this, Chuck, I'll have a question for you. Okay,

1284
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: let's play this clip and let's react. Do we think

1285
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: that John Annex's ideas are what could improve the UFC product?

1286
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 10: Where do you think the product is at this moment?

1287
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Speaker 10: A lot has been made about that. I think that

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00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 10: just comes with the territory of getting more fans. But

1289
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 10: sometimes people say, oh, it was better ten years ago,

1290
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 10: or is that just something that we are going to see.

1291
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 10: There'll be people in ten years that say, right now

1292
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 10: is the best moment, you know.

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Speaker 11: I think our biggest challenge is the fact that our

1294
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 11: events are way too long, and we should have ten

1295
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 11: or eleven fights instead of fifteen. And even if you

1296
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 11: want to make this broadcast five or six hours, and Hunter,

1297
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 11: I love you. Even if you wanted to make this

1298
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 11: five or six hours instead of eight, I'd be okay

1299
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 11: with it. But we ask a lot of our fans,

1300
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 11: even fans as rabid as yourselves, eight hours times forty

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00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 11: one Saturdays, right, So if I could affect change in

1302
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 11: one way, it would be too And we have a

1303
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 11: lot of masters to serve right Television partners in different countries,

1304
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 11: a lot of different things. A roster north of six hundred,

1305
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 11: getting fifty fighters signed on the Contender series every year,

1306
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 11: which I think is less than ideal. But if I

1307
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 11: could affect change in one way, and perhaps it's selfish,

1308
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 11: because I'm a broadcaster that doesn't understand how we do

1309
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 11: back to back Super Bowls. Every time we crack a MIC,

1310
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 11: I would just shut I would cut one hundred and

1311
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 11: fifty fighters off the roster. I would do ten fights

1312
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 11: a card and just make it a much more ingestible,

1313
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 11: palatable sporting event.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate that ideas, what about you, No, I

1315
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: don't hate them at all.

1316
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Speaker 3: And in fact, what he's asking for, Luke is basically

1317
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 3: to go back to the way it was, because if

1318
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 3: you look, I can remember very specifically doing a piece

1319
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 3: on this when they started to kind of boost the

1320
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: cards up to twelve thirteen fairly regularly a few years ago,

1321
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 3: and if you went back to the UFC before UFC

1322
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 3: one hundred, kind of going backwards, there were a lot

1323
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Speaker 3: of cards that were ten fights, nine fights, sometimes eleven fights,

1324
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Speaker 3: and I felt like from one hundred to two hundred,

1325
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 3: eleven was kind of the goal. You know, you'd always have,

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00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: like the prelims would be listed and there'd be like

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00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: that one kind of outline, and then there'd be five prelims,

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00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 3: and then there'd be five main card type things. Very

1329
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 3: very easy to kind of watch all of those, But

1330
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 3: I find it extremely difficult to sit and watch fifteen

1331
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 3: fights and especially alive at an event. Like from his perspective, man,

1332
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 3: God bless them, because that what they're doing is just

1333
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 3: such a herculear thing. Every time there's a fifteen fight

1334
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Speaker 3: card to go for eight hours of you know, backstories,

1335
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 3: eight hours of information, eight hours of reads, all the

1336
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: things that they do. That's just such a marathon. But

1337
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 3: it's a marathon too for us who are just spectators.

1338
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 3: Sometimes you'd get to the to that main event and

1339
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 3: they would mention some of the prelims, or you try

1340
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: to think back of the first fight on the prelims,

1341
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Speaker 3: and it feel like it was like a fortnight ago.

1342
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 3: It felt so far away that it didn't even belong

1343
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 3: to the event. That's a crazy thing to feel, you know.

1344
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm all about it. I just I don't

1345
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 3: think that even the passion, like sometimes you're trying to

1346
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: create a passion in the room you want people to

1347
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 3: build towards the main event and feel like there's times

1348
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 3: where I feel like by the time they get to

1349
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 3: the main event, people are like, it's like a marathon.

1350
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 3: They're just barely getting to the to the finish line.

1351
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 3: That's not ideal. You want people to be like at

1352
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 3: that point, brought up to the highest moment. They've been

1353
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 3: anticipating it, like in the old days. And I think

1354
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 3: that is one way to do it. Ten fights, to

1355
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 3: me is ideal. Do five on the preglems and five,

1356
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 3: you know, do five main card, and that's that's still

1357
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: a very long show and you get every thing you

1358
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 3: need from You don't need fifteen.

1359
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Speaker 2: You don't need fifteen at all. Except here's the problem.

1360
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Speaker 2: Every time I see one of these things, it's like

1361
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Speaker 2: and you heard, and it kind of allude to it,

1362
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Speaker 2: which is it's not hard to imagine ways in which

1363
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: you can make you could, don't know, revolutionize the product,

1364
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Speaker 2: but certainly I think the way he put it palatable,

1365
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 2: there are ways in which you can make this more palatable.

1366
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Speaker 2: And again what he had recommended was going from eight

1367
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 2: to six or five hours, reduced a number of fights

1368
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Speaker 2: to a card for ten, and then sign fewer fighters

1369
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: from the Contender Series. Now, I want to point out

1370
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: something here. Contender Series season one signed sixteen fighters, but

1371
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: in the last three seasons season seven, eight to nine, respectively,

1372
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: they signed forty six, forty two, and then forty six fighters.

1373
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Speaker 2: So like it has taken on an outsized importance as

1374
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: a feeder operation to then staff the ranks of what

1375
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 2: they have. This is the problem to me. It's that

1376
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 2: the product as it currently exists, for as good as

1377
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: it can be at times, is it's not designed to

1378
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: be ma maximally palatable, right. It is designed to fulfill

1379
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 2: a variety of content delivery needs. Right, So they owe

1380
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 2: partners content to begin with, how many events do they o?

1381
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 2: The owe thirty fight nights. They owe thirteen numbered events.

1382
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: That's part of it. They owe for when they're on

1383
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: linear television. Certainly this was a component and they've kind

1384
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: of kept the same thing, which was, yes, we've got

1385
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 2: the main card component, but then we also owe the prelims,

1386
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: the four fight prelims. We owe that to a component.

1387
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 2: And then you might say, oh, you can just cut

1388
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: off the other part, but you can't because those guys

1389
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: you have to kind of keep active as a way

1390
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: to staff the larger operation to fill nearly every weekend

1391
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: with fights. So like, it's built in a way so

1392
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: that it can be scaled maximally. That's why it's as

1393
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: big as it is. That's why the events are as

1394
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 2: long as they are, and that's why they have as

1395
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: many events as possible because they're trying to take something

1396
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 2: and then pull it apart as much as possible to

1397
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 2: sell every piece of it. So like when he says, hey,

1398
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be better go from.

1399
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Speaker 1: Eight to five?

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01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: Yes, wouldn't it be better if we signed fewer contenders

1401
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: series guys? Clearly wouldn't it be better by the way

1402
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: he says, cut one hundred and fifty guys from the roster,

1403
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: no doubt. But they can't do that because the contractual

1404
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 2: arrangements they've made around content, length and delivery preclude that possibility.

1405
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: That's kind of the issue. It's not designed to be like,

1406
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 2: what can we do to make Fight Night a more

1407
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: fast moving but cohesive experience. That's not really what it's about.

1408
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 2: It's about how do we stretch the shit out and

1409
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 2: sell it? This is why Chuck. This is why like

1410
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, what do you want? From the

1411
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 2: UFC product, the question is less about what I want

1412
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: and what is just even possible. This is why the

1413
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 2: move from ten to nine is actually a pretty big deal.

1414
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: It's it is actually one of the few things they

1415
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 2: can do without disrupting the larger ecosystem.

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01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 3: Yes, one percent, And you know it's funny that you

1417
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 3: mention it, because yes, it's the arrangements they've made that

1418
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 3: puts them into this situation where they kind of have

1419
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 3: to hold this many fights. But it is funny because

1420
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 3: the way the UFC kind of I guess hatched their

1421
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 3: ideology on to what they were going to do as

1422
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 3: a brand, what they're going to do as a as

1423
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 3: a as an event and as a sport was be

1424
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 3: different than boxing. They were going to eliminate some of

1425
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 3: the ceremony of boxing. They were going to be way

1426
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 3: more efficient, streamline and how they presented it. And uh,

1427
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 3: I feel like back in those days when they did that,

1428
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 3: that's that was one of the reasons it was so great.

1429
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 3: It was almost like they, you know, get those guys

1430
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 3: out of there, let's move on to the next. But

1431
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,439
Speaker 3: they were it was all within a contained amount of time,

1432
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 3: and I guess you get into whatever they were trying

1433
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 3: to avoid with boxing from before. You know, you get

1434
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 3: into your own burden, right, like of having an eight

1435
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 3: hour event, and I mean it's just not ideal, even

1436
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 3: given all the situation, even all all the things that

1437
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 3: you laid out, which is absolutely true, it's just not

1438
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 3: ideal for a fan base. It really isn't like you

1439
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 3: can't even retain the like you can't retain if the

1440
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 3: passion for that amount of time, right, like, whatever your

1441
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 3: love of the sport, that's a long time to be

1442
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 3: watching an event.

1443
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: It's just too much time. It is too much time.

1444
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: To the point you raise about the way they used

1445
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: to do things back then, it was them trying to

1446
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 2: solve for like how do we make this better? Oh

1447
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 2: boxing has you know, press conferences for example, like Whire. Yeah,

1448
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 2: I mean the UFC press conference has changed over time too.

1449
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: It used to be mostly just for the press. Now

1450
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: it's just a pep rally for the fans, which you know,

1451
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't like that, but whatever, it is what it is.

1452
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 2: But the reality is Chuck, Like back then, it'd be like, oh,

1453
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: boxing used to have like this guy would get up there,

1454
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 2: and then his manager would get up there, and then

1455
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: everyone takes turns of the days and it's slow and

1456
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: it's painful.

1457
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: And then Dana was like, you know what we're gonna do.

1458
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna come out there be like, who's got

1459
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: the first question? Right?

1460
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 2: It was this way to streamline against what you consider

1461
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 2: to be boxing's inefficiency. But because they are now you know,

1462
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 2: I've said this before, I made this. I made this

1463
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 2: point on a recent interview I did on on where

1464
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: Josh Nason. I don't know if you know, you know,

1465
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: Josh yeah, I know, Josh yeah yeah. And I was

1466
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 2: talking about this point, like all content, if you go

1467
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: to Spotify, if you are on Netflix, the goal is

1468
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 2: just to keep you on the platform as long as possible.

1469
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: It's not really about like, is Netflix trying to give

1470
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 2: you the very best programming that they can develop. No,

1471
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 2: They're trying to give you the kind of programming and

1472
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: the kind of use of the app that just keeps

1473
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: you on the app. Spotify is the same thing. The

1474
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: design is that you just stay on the app. What

1475
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: you listen to them is frankly immaterial, whether it's podcasting

1476
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: or not. But the whole point is that they're going

1477
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 2: to try and find ways to keep you on the

1478
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: app a, Twitter and all the other social media as

1479
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: are the same thing. What they measure is time on

1480
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 2: app is is not how much you look at any

1481
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 2: one reel, it's how many reels you look at during

1482
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 2: one kind of sitting. It feels like sports leagues are

1483
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 2: now trying to do a lot of this too, where

1484
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 2: the NFL is expanding into Europe and now they're going

1485
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: to Brazil, and it's cool to see some kind of internationalization,

1486
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 2: but now you're starting to stretch that product in ways

1487
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 2: that just feels a little bit less palatable. And if

1488
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 2: that's the way you're going to arrange your product, it

1489
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: makes some of these concer iterations about how do you

1490
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 2: fix fans sentiment or a dress fans sentiment on the

1491
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: back end kind of remote to me.

1492
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like, now, do you still watch an

1493
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 3: event that's fifteen fights deep? Do you still watch from

1494
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 3: the very opening prelim on? I feel like you kind

1495
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 3: of do, because I'll see sometimes when I'm not able

1496
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 3: to get there, I'll see you that you're one of

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Speaker 2: let's go to topic number four. And this is something

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Speaker 2: that I saw fall under the radar and I was like, no, no, no, no, no,

1572
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 2: we got to talk about it on this show. And

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Speaker 2: I was so glad I put it on the rundown.

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Speaker 2: And you were saying if you didn't put it on

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Speaker 2: the rundown, and you were gonna add it.

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Speaker 1: Thank god you did.

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Speaker 2: There was the recent in Las Vegas, I believe the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six Combat Sports Officials Summit. This was hosted

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Speaker 2: and I think run by legendary referee Big John McCarthy.

1580
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Speaker 2: And during the course of this they were talking about

1581
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 2: ipokes in MMA. And there's a couple of different things

1582
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 2: I want to reference. Put the screenshot of the This

1583
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 2: is the article here I screwed up. Is what it

1584
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 2: says inside the room where MMA referees sort through the good,

1585
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 2: the bad, and the chaotic. Of course, this comes from

1586
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Speaker 2: your coworker, Ben. Folks over there love Ben at On crowned.

1587
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: He went to this event and there was a bunch

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Speaker 2: of regulators there, including Andy Foster, the head of the

1589
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 2: California Athletic Commission. We'll talk about that in just a second,

1590
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 2: but basically, basically, Chuck, during the course of this what

1591
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 2: Ben reports is that a the MMA referees recognize that

1592
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: the that ipokes in MMA are a not only a

1593
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 2: long standing problem, but an even worse problem today, and

1594
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 2: that on top of that, shouts to Big John McCarthy

1595
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 2: and others apparently along with him, he basically told the

1596
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 2: referees you're you're at fault on here. You won't penalize anything,

1597
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 2: and as a consequence, we now have a culture of

1598
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 2: impunity that makes no sense. So does this prove, Chuck

1599
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 2: that belly aching from both dogs like you and me,

1600
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 2: as well as the fan base as well as the

1601
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 2: fan base ultimately plays a slow but critical role in

1602
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,480
Speaker 2: how regulatory change happens in the sport.

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01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: I do think so.

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01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 3: And a part of that obviously is like with social media,

1605
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 3: like we'll see things. We've seen this for years where

1606
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 3: like something will happen and like we'll all talk about

1607
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 3: it and it moves on. But the ipoke thing is

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01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 3: one of those is one of those issues that we've

1609
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 3: had in our crosshairs for a long time. They went

1610
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 3: through the you know, the gloves change thing where they're

1611
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 3: trying to like solve it this way. They've they've people

1612
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 3: have had different theories as to what you can do.

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01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 3: Most people are a base. I feel like we've got

1614
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 3: to the point now where people are like, hey man,

1615
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 3: you either you've got to penalize it. If you're not

1616
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 3: going to penalize it, it will never change. We'll just

1617
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 3: keep doing the same things again and again. And I

1618
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 3: feel like during this particular one, that's what showed up

1619
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 3: and it is I think it is kind of like

1620
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 3: a peer pressure situation. The fans, media, the media talks

1621
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 3: about it a great deal, uh, and you know, people

1622
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 3: are asking fighters about it more and more. And I

1623
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 3: thought it was very telling or not maybe not telling,

1624
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 3: but it's funny. I guess in its own way that

1625
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 3: one of the uh, one of the great examples within

1626
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 3: the series of videos they showed at that summit was

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01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 3: of John Jones just constantly, you know, using his hands

1628
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 3: kind of thrusting them out with the fingers out and

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01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 3: you know how how this goes unpunished and that sort

1630
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 3: of thing. We're at that point when you have a

1631
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 3: guy like Cyril Gonne who puts two fingers into the

1632
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Speaker 3: sockets of you know, Tom Aspacall, who's the champion and

1633
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Speaker 3: represents big business for you, and you're putting him now

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01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 3: on the shelf, and definitely that it probably needs to

1635
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 3: be addressed. You know, you don't want to, like you,

1636
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Speaker 3: if you have a hazard. If it was any other

1637
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Speaker 3: sport and there was a hazard out there that could

1638
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 3: be avoided or at least be taken, like made to

1639
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 3: be punished a little more severely, this would be the

1640
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,600
Speaker 3: moment right like where you have a guy who we

1641
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,759
Speaker 3: don't even know if he'll return. I know that sounds

1642
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, an exaggeration, but we don't

1643
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 3: really really don't know if Tom Aspinall will return.

1644
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: I hope he does.

1645
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 3: But you get into that situation you're like, we better

1646
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 3: address it, and I feel like it had we The

1647
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 3: media and the fans have talked about this fairly consistently

1648
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 3: since that time, and since it's in the news, I'm

1649
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 3: glad to see that they're talking about it. And I

1650
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 3: think a key distinguishing thing within that summit it was

1651
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 3: just getting rid of the intentional verse is unintentional? Right, Yes,

1652
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 3: that's the big part of it, because for the longest

1653
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 3: time they're like, I was accidental, was accidental? Well, most

1654
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 3: things are probably accidental, but it really comes down to

1655
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 3: is it a foul or not? And I feel like

1656
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 3: that's finally where they're getting down to it.

1657
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 2: Yes, as you indicated, the head of the California Athletic Commission,

1658
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 2: Andy Foster, said, they didn't. I mean, obviously this stuff

1659
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 2: has to be voted on and they can't just declare

1660
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 2: what it's going to be. He doesn't have unilateral power

1661
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 2: in that sense. But to your point, Chuck, when he indicated,

1662
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 2: was they're just going to get or they're looking, I

1663
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 2: should say, looking to get rid of the intentional versus

1664
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 2: unintentional foul for all the reasons that we've already articulated,

1665
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 2: which is like if someone fouls Lebron in the NBA,

1666
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 2: if it's I mean, if it's obviously egregious, they can

1667
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 2: add a little bit extra to it. But the basic

1668
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 2: point is that it doesn't matter if it was intentional

1669
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 2: or not. For the most part, did a foul happen

1670
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 2: is the question, and if a foul happened, then it

1671
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:48,919
Speaker 2: has to be penalized.

1672
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean where we literally got to the point where.

1673
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 2: Fighters were openly saying why wouldn't I cheat, and then

1674
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 2: in fact that they do cheat. I've interviewed multiple both

1675
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 2: on and off the record. I view Corey Sanhagen and

1676
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 2: I asked him, have you ever like intentionally done something

1677
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 2: like that?

1678
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: I say, yeah, of course.

1679
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 2: There was a guy that I think either was biting

1680
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 2: him or doing something so he like either bit him

1681
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 2: back or you know, committed some other He did an

1682
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 2: eye gouge, but with some other kind of foul just

1683
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: as a way to like set the tone for someone

1684
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 2: that was just something that was just going unpunished. Now

1685
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 2: to what extent this will affect regional MMA where you

1686
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 2: get a lesser quality of ref I don't know.

1687
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: Also, I'll just say this chuck, you know. I do

1688
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: think that the answer is does the slow accumulation.

1689
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 2: Of evidence matter to MMA regulators over time and the

1690
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 2: belly aching that you see from folks like us, And

1691
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,719
Speaker 2: then the fan base. I do think that that it does.

1692
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 2: It does affect this so like there is a value

1693
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 2: to it. However, what I will say is it is

1694
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 2: painfully slow, glacial, and at times insanely frustrating, and you

1695
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 2: just can't look at that as like a this is

1696
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 2: not an efficient way to do regulation, you know what

1697
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 2: I mean. It has to get to like overwhelming stages

1698
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 2: before they really act.

1699
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,759
Speaker 3: You tell me too, man, because like one of the

1700
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 3: problems with this is in an MMA attack, you know,

1701
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 3: you need the dexterity of your fingers obviously in the

1702
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 3: grappling game and like all of that stuff. It's been

1703
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 3: very difficult basically for them to institute or you know,

1704
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 3: to kind of like say like, hey, guys, keep your fingers,

1705
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 3: you know, don't don't have your fingers out of that

1706
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 3: sort of thing. Can this happen? I mean I feel

1707
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 3: like if you if you're if you're taking an automatic point,

1708
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 3: especially in a ten point must system where it matters

1709
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 3: in a three round fight, and in MMA as big

1710
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 3: as it does, I feel like fighters would instinctively keep

1711
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 3: their fists closed, don't you like, over the course of time,

1712
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 3: even with you know, the aspects of like maybe I

1713
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 3: need to be defending, you know, a single like fingers

1714
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 3: can come out when those things happen. But I feel

1715
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 3: like the instinct would eventually take hold that you got

1716
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 3: to have your your fist clinch, right.

1717
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure.

1718
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 2: I when I say that, I mean it quite literally,

1719
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 2: like I don't know, I don't know if that's the answer.

1720
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 2: I have been of the belief that one of the

1721
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 2: things I really don't like about the way the UFC

1722
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 2: approaches this is it just seems like they don't take

1723
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 2: the technology component of it as seriously as I would

1724
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 2: have hoped, which is really weird for a company that

1725
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 2: in general, you know, with the UFCPI for example, leans

1726
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 2: into a lot of like scientific best practices. You know,

1727
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 2: I think most people would think that the PI, certainly

1728
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 2: at this stage anyway, is really good about that, and

1729
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 2: I would largely agree, you know, everything being state of

1730
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 2: the art, everything being you know, a leading cause of

1731
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 2: this or that, having a glove geometry that forces it

1732
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 2: over like for example, I've talked to I've made a

1733
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 2: video about this on my personal channel. The Association of

1734
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 2: Boxing Commissions looked into it, and what they basically found

1735
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 2: was that glove geometry where it has it curves the

1736
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 2: fingers over. These are the only ones that have statistical

1737
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 2: excuse me, statistical significance in showing reduced eye injury. Those

1738
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 2: are the only ones. And so it's like, if you

1739
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 2: have this kind of evidence and you have the Medical

1740
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,799
Speaker 2: Board of the uh excuse the Association of ringside Physicians,

1741
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 2: So you have a you have a group of doctors

1742
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 2: being like that, we think this is a good idea,

1743
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 2: and then UFC being like, yeah, we don't care.

1744
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't get that part.

1745
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 2: I think that to me seems like a better solution

1746
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 2: or at least at a bare minimum. You have road

1747
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 2: to UFC, you have contender series, you have all these things.

1748
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 2: You have places where you don't have to affect the

1749
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 2: core UFC product, where you could test this stuff out.

1750
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: I would like to see more of an open I

1751
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 2: like a better attitude towards using that.

1752
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, man, your prediction, like in terms of ipokes,

1753
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 3: the amount that we've seen, especially ipokes right like, like

1754
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 3: do you think that we set we see people, you know,

1755
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 3: punishing that in the new year, like where it's like

1756
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 3: the first defense.

1757
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: Becomes a point. Do you think that we see that

1758
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: kind of advancement. I think the first offense thing.

1759
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 2: Can be a good tool, but I think is a

1760
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 2: little bit heavy handed for most If you've got someone

1761
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 2: who has a demonstrate history of either negligence or ipokes whatever,

1762
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 2: or someone who's been a unique victim to that, then

1763
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 2: I think taking the first point is important. But I

1764
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 2: think the question is not that one. The question is

1765
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 2: the second one. That's the one that I think is

1766
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 2: the most important for most people. Again, in most context,

1767
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 2: if they don't do shit, then then they're doing nothing.

1768
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 2: That is really the demarcation line for me, to be

1769
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 2: honest with you. Okay, I think that one's the most important,

1770
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 2: but I have to say hardened to be like, well,

1771
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 2: finally these motherfuckers are getting around to this shit, you

1772
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

1773
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always nice because you don't never hear from

1774
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 3: them otherwise, Like these types of things are at least

1775
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 3: like you know, it's like you're like, oh, there is

1776
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 3: some kind of accountability. At least he's showing in videos

1777
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 3: and saying like, hey, we're being idiots, you know that

1778
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 3: sort of thing.

1779
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: No, No, they call me when they get mad at me.

1780
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: That's what happens.

1781
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 2: Say something like these people don't care, and then a

1782
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 2: bunch of regulators will call me and be like, this

1783
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 2: is totally not fair, and I'm like, I got to

1784
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 2: tell you, I think that it is.

1785
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Douglas Crosby one of those guys that gives you

1786
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: a ring.

1787
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 2: He won't stop fucking texting me, and every time I

1788
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 2: see it, I'm like, all right, with that out of

1789
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 2: the way, let's talk about topic number five, a bit

1790
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 2: of a boxing round up, and as we mentioned, Chuck

1791
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 2: is going to be going to Vegas to go to

1792
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 2: ZUFA Boxing number one. We'll talk about some of that

1793
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 2: a little bit just a second. Let's start with a

1794
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 2: bit of an opening piece of news. Ji Opataia has

1795
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 2: signed with Zufa Boxing. As you can see a cruiserweight

1796
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 2: twenty nine to zero six foot two reach of seventy

1797
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,560
Speaker 2: six inches here on the graphic, He's got twenty three KOs.

1798
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 2: For folks who are MMA fans and don't really know

1799
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 2: the significance of it, ji Opataia has a claim to

1800
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 2: being the best cruiserweight in the world. I think he's

1801
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 2: the Ring magazine and IBF champion. The other one would

1802
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 2: be Zerdo Ramirez, who I think is WBA, maybe WBCs.

1803
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 2: I think WBA champion, but in any event, it'd be

1804
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 2: one or two of those guys. This is interesting, right, Chuck,

1805
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 2: because on the one hand, they're starting in the APEX,

1806
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 2: starting modestly. I don't think Callum Walsh has a super

1807
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 2: bright future, but it's maybe fine for like a first event,

1808
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: main event to have him in this particular circumstance. But

1809
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 2: you know, on the one hand, they're like, oh, we're

1810
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 2: signing a bunch of prospects, they're trying to sponsor USA boxing.

1811
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, Opataia is a no bullshit signing.

1812
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 2: He is a very very very good fighter, still young enough,

1813
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 2: represents Australia, undefeated as you saw, and arguably is the

1814
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 2: best in the weight class.

1815
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: How do you explain Zufa's.

1816
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: Ambition on the one side signing prospects and starting in

1817
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 2: the APEX, and on the other side this is a legit,

1818
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 2: no bullshit signing.

1819
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 3: Well, do you get like the sense like you're mentioning

1820
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 3: the production. You know, crew may not be just ready

1821
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 3: yet to show everything and build everything at once as

1822
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 3: they get into a new era. I wonder, especially with

1823
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 3: the ZUFA boxing if this thing is just harder than

1824
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 3: they understood, and like everything has been slower to develop,

1825
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 3: you know, over the course of getting this together, because

1826
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 3: we were talking about this last week. I mean it

1827
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 3: felt like not knowing the main event just a couple

1828
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 3: of weeks before the main event was so anti like

1829
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 3: counter ZUFA, you know, like for the longest time knew

1830
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 3: everything that was kind of coming up within something because

1831
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 3: the promo packages were already made and this one was

1832
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 3: very slow to be put together. And then you get

1833
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 3: Callum obviously is like the main event, which I think

1834
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 3: a lot of us predicted because the UFC has been

1835
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 3: behind him. I was a little surprised it was going

1836
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:20,799
Speaker 3: to be at the Apex because you just mentioned it earlier.

1837
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 3: Like a lot of people don't pay attention to these events,

1838
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 3: so it almost cottons closer to like a slap fight

1839
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 3: or something like as an aside from the UFC than

1840
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 3: it does in actual unveiling of its new product. But

1841
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 3: I would say that the signal is that they intend

1842
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 3: to change that, and maybe that that is kind of

1843
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 3: where they're at with it right Like they're going to

1844
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 3: try to start rostering some bigger names, putting on some

1845
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,959
Speaker 3: bigger fights and hopefully they get out of the apex.

1846
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 3: But that's kind of where it's at, to be honest,

1847
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 3: I feel like right now it's just kind of you

1848
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 3: tell me your sense on it too, because like right now,

1849
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,879
Speaker 3: I feel like it's just been kind of a mysterious unveiling.

1850
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 3: That was the first piece, like you know, sign up,

1851
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 3: signing a big name to to some kind of semblance

1852
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 3: of like.

1853
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the strategy, here's what we're going to do.

1854
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 2: I think, uh to me, you know, you saw that

1855
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 2: we we can't play it because of the Rolling Stones thing.

1856
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 2: But you saw the video that came out with Dana

1857
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 2: promoting zupa boxing, just Max Kelman narrating Max kellerming.

1858
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: Won't what'd you say? What in the North Korea?

1859
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 2: I mean, just like Max Kellerman just there. I mean,

1860
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't even know who he is anymore.

1861
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 2: But the point I'm trying to make is if you

1862
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 2: listen to the language, it's very ambition oriented and like

1863
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 2: big picture and you know, who can fix It's almost

1864
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 2: like who's here to fix boxing? Like this big broad

1865
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 2: ambition and I think Opataia fits onto that side of things.

1866
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 2: But as you indicated, you know, let me ask just

1867
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 2: a basic question, who is the ZUFA boxing matchmaker, Who

1868
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 2: is the ZUFA boxing scout clips that they have you

1869
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 2: know what I mean, they don't who the who the

1870
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 2: fuck are their teams? And the reason why I asked

1871
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 2: this is because I was there in Vegas, as I

1872
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 2: think I told you previously, for the Canelo Crawford car right,

1873
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 2: and the UFC team, who probably didn't want me in there.

1874
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 2: They were so overwhelmed they were like, yeah, I just

1875
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:04,560
Speaker 2: go on and we don't even give a fuck, you know,

1876
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 2: because they had the San Antonio card and Kendella Crawford.

1877
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 2: Now granted that was the same weekend, but so is

1878
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 2: this So I mean, it's different days, but it's essentially

1879
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 2: the same weekend. I don't think they've even built out

1880
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 2: the internal infrastructure. I don't think to make all of

1881
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 2: this work. And so I think you can see where

1882
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 2: there are like the eyes are on the prize. But

1883
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 2: on the other hand, this is just the reality in

1884
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 2: front of them as they slowly kind of inch their

1885
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: way forward. That's my sense of thing.

1886
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 3: Did you think that they would be able to do

1887
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 3: more with the with you know, at this point when

1888
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 3: they're ready to roll out their first event. Did you

1889
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 3: think that they would be bigger and that they would

1890
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 3: already have more going for it at this point?

1891
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: Yes, But in retrospect, I don't think that it matters.

1892
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: I really don't. I think that.

1893
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 2: One the ALIAC changes haven't gone into place yet.

1894
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: True. I mean, okay, the legislation hasn't passed. It's not

1895
01:23:58,200 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: like it's passed.

1896
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 2: But the bill, by the way, goes to mark up tomorrow,

1897
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 2: so we'll see if in what any changes take place

1898
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 2: as a consequence.

1899
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: So there's that.

1900
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 2: The other thing I would say is again between like,

1901
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 2: I can't overstate this. Just to get the UFC on

1902
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 2: Paramount show ready to go, they had to take a

1903
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 2: forty day break, you know, just to get that going,

1904
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 2: and then they want to add in on top of

1905
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 2: it the ZUFA boxing component. There was really no way

1906
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 2: to do it other than this, to be honest with you,

1907
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 2: given the internal constraints of what they're trying to build.

1908
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 2: So at first you're like, oh, well, that's it, But

1909
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 2: then when you think about it, you're like, they're just.

1910
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 1: Getting started, you know what I mean?

1911
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean the way that he's kind of

1912
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 3: laid it out. I will say that Dana has kind

1913
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 3: of I think he's pointed this out to an extent, right,

1914
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 3: that it would be a little bit more of a

1915
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 3: slow build. They would try to build stars within their model,

1916
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 3: and they would do I think he said, only one

1917
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 3: ZUFA boxing card per month, right, So that's a pretty

1918
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 3: that's a pretty like realistic way to go about it.

1919
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 1: I get.

1920
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit anxious, I guess to see if

1921
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 3: I can find any answers as to what's what the

1922
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 3: plan is all that stuff when I go out there

1923
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 3: this week and uh and take it in, We'll see

1924
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 3: how it all works.

1925
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: Man.

1926
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 3: But I have you been in the APEX before, Because

1927
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 3: when I've been in there in the past, it's just

1928
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 3: the events themselves, like without that real like a real audience.

1929
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 1: They're tough, they're tough to watch.

1930
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 3: So I'm like, it'd be very interesting now, like it's

1931
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 3: not even MMA, it's a boxing event, and we'll see

1932
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 3: the crossover media, like who's there like some of the

1933
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 3: fan base.

1934
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: It'd be very interesting to check this out.

1935
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 2: Also, It's like, don't get me wrong, I think they've

1936
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 2: got some legit prospects on that card. You know, there's

1937
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 2: there's there could be some good fights. I don't we'll see. Yeah,

1938
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 2: I'm less impressed by Walsh, but whatever, like there could

1939
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 2: be fine. But it's like, if you don't have fans

1940
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 2: in there, which they might, they might have fans, But

1941
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 2: if you don't have fans in there in the Apex

1942
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 2: and you want MMA fans to watch boxing, dude, good

1943
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 2: fucking luck.

1944
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: Good luck. You're gonna need it.

1945
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 3: That's the other thing to me, I'm like, as it

1946
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 3: seems to me that there's like this, Hey, guys, come

1947
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 3: on over to this side too and check out boxing.

1948
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: The way we're gonna do it. We're gonna build it

1949
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 1: like the UFC. You're gonna love it.

1950
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that this card or anything coming up

1951
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 3: in the in the little bit here, especially at the Apex,

1952
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 3: is going to achieve that, you know. And I felt

1953
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 3: like that that's that's another thing we'll wait and see on.

1954
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 3: But you've you've done this and this show is one

1955
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 3: of the few that touches on boxing and MMA, and

1956
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 3: as you see, sometimes, man, there's two sides to this,

1957
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 3: and the one side doesn't want to look too deeply

1958
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 3: into the other. It's just kind of the way it's been.

1959
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 2: Also, if you're a boxing fan and it's like, oh,

1960
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 2: it's been Saudi this, and you know grandiosity that, Yeah,

1961
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 2: this is not that you know. Again, it makes sense

1962
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 2: for the UFC's purpose or TKO's purposes, I get it.

1963
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 2: But it's a big departure for them, so some big stakes.

1964
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,679
Speaker 2: I look forward to your coverage this weekend. Now, other

1965
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 2: pieces of boxing news, we should note Canelo Alvarez has

1966
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:00,919
Speaker 2: announced he'll be back in action in September for Mexican

1967
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 2: Independence Day. In fact, before I ask any question, we've

1968
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 2: got Turkey making the announcement with Canelo.

1969
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:10,480
Speaker 9: Let's roll that tape, Champ wait for us in September

1970
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 9: twelve of.

1971
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 4: September, big, big, big fights, and this is will be

1972
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 4: the first cup for Canelo Romo promotion.

1973
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:24,799
Speaker 1: It will be name.

1974
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 12: Of Mexico against the world, all the fighters from the

1975
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 12: team of Canelo against the world and the champion and

1976
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 12: the main events and world title and it will be

1977
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 12: surprised in Saudi Arabian.

1978
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 10: Shot.

1979
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 2: Now the audio is not great, long Island. Look, did

1980
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 2: he say that the fight was going to be in

1981
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia?

1982
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 6: Shit, I don't know. I wasn't playing close enough.

1983
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 7: September twelfth, Mexico Versus the World started Canelo promotions.

1984
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 6: I heard all that, I didn't hear where it was going.

1985
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 2: I think at the end of did you hear that chuck?

1986
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to say I make it out. I

1987
01:27:58,360 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 2: just could not make it out.

1988
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 3: But like that would Mexico versus the World from Saudi

1989
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 3: Arabia would be very strange.

1990
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 2: What they're They're fucking killing the American and UK.

1991
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 1: Market with the ship.

1992
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 2: Now, I mean they're not killing the UK market with Canelo,

1993
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 2: but they're killing the American market by having Canelo fight

1994
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 2: over there. And I saw his single to my own first, Yeah,

1995
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 2: I mean this is yeah, I don't know what the

1996
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 2: fuck are we doing. This is so fucking bad for

1997
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 2: American boxing. It's so bad for you know, the Mexican

1998
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 2: American fan base. It's so it's just so terrible. That

1999
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 2: being said, if he does come back on that day,

2000
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 2: which of course he always fights single to my own, Uh,

2001
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 2: anybody you think it would be a good fight.

2002
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,759
Speaker 3: For him, Well, if it's if it's Mexico versus the World,

2003
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 3: does that exclude David Benavitez, Like, because I know that

2004
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,759
Speaker 3: David is not like a you know, born in Mexico,

2005
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 3: But like does that exclude.

2006
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 2: So I think Benavidez is going to fight in Las

2007
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 2: Vegas on that same weekend.

2008
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 3: Okay, obviously that fight one of those ones people have

2009
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 3: talked about and UH would like to see. But I

2010
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 3: guess the the bevol matt like the rematch to that

2011
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 3: because that first fight being what it was, and it

2012
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 3: was the last time Canelo lost. If you're really trying

2013
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 3: to do it up big, I feel like that that

2014
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 3: might be a very good option. I'd like to see

2015
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 3: that fight too, like where where Canelo was at at

2016
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:20,879
Speaker 3: this point.

2017
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 1: In his career.

2018
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 3: And also I also I get the sense sometimes with Canelo,

2019
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 3: even as he's getting older, a second look at somebody,

2020
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 3: it would be very interesting to see kind of how

2021
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,600
Speaker 3: he handles himself. Right, any interest in that fight, Like,

2022
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 3: is that something on your radar? No, Canelo is washed.

2023
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: He's washed.

2024
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 2: That first Bivol fight was not competitive and he's not

2025
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 2: gotten any better. Sense then, I don't think Bivol has

2026
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 2: gotten any worse, So to me, it's not competitive.

2027
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 3: Him has washed it. But I know what you're saying.

2028
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 3: In the last in that fight, I didn't see Heim

2029
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 3: was washed in that fight. I saw him as honestly, yeah,

2030
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 3: A little bit of that was the problem. That was

2031
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 3: the issue. All right, Well, who would you like to

2032
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 3: see him face?

2033
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm thinking about this, so you can't like,

2034
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 2: how washed can he go with the matchmaking? Could they

2035
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 2: do a plant or Berlonga or Mungillo rematch? I certainly

2036
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 2: fucking hope not. I don't think so.

2037
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: Honestly what I think, and this is something that was

2038
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: teased before. I think they're gonna go Chris you Bank.

2039
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 2: You Bank killed himself to get down to those fights

2040
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 2: for Connor Ben. This would be back at a normal

2041
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 2: weight class for him. I guess they could do six

2042
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 2: year sixty eight depending on what Canelo wants at that point,

2043
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 2: but you know, a much better weight class for him,

2044
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 2: and it would bring you know, it's a big enough name,

2045
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 2: it's got a UK name. I don't think it would

2046
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 2: mean much to Americans, but they'll watch Canola no matter what.

2047
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 2: To me, though, it's like, I think this is one

2048
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 2: of those questions about like what is even left for Canelo,

2049
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 2: because I know he was like, oh, I want to

2050
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: get the I want to get the Crawford rematch, but

2051
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 2: then Crawford retires and so that's really not a place.

2052
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 2: It's like, does he go to a place in terms

2053
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 2: of matchmaking that is I mean, if he did a

2054
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 2: burlonger rematch, I would probably cry, to be honest with you.

2055
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 2: But could he go Jermal Charlo, Big Charlo, that's a possibility,

2056
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 2: you know, could he go Hamsushiras That's what Yeah, that's

2057
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 2: a that's a tough one for me.

2058
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 1: See, that's why I don't think he does it.

2059
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 2: I think he goes you Bank, who is manageable, I'm

2060
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 2: reckless as a strong word, but hitable and you know

2061
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 2: has a relationship with Turkey. You know, Yeah, that's that's

2062
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 2: to me a likely scenario.

2063
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 1: It's it'd be sad though.

2064
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 3: I guess if Canelo is as Washer is just saying

2065
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 3: for that, because like if he's fighting, you know, in

2066
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 3: Vegas for instance, I've been out there when Canelo is fighting.

2067
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 3: I've been in the hotel when he's at the hotel,

2068
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 3: and you see the entourage, you see the people. Is

2069
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:47,839
Speaker 3: such a feeling if you're going to do a Canelo

2070
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 3: fight at this stage of his career and you know

2071
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 3: the writing is on the wall, you really wish that

2072
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 3: they would put it in United States because you're just

2073
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 3: not going to get too many of those, right, You're

2074
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 3: just not going to get too many more of those

2075
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,639
Speaker 3: types of events that draw that kind of enthusiasm from

2076
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:02,799
Speaker 3: people in the United States.

2077
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,800
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I dude, they're putting this motherfucker in Rio.

2078
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 1: I know.

2079
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 2: Oh dude, it's now, which leads me to my last one,

2080
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 2: which is that Golden Boy had an event I think

2081
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 2: over the weekend, but it was a one off and

2082
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 2: the deal between them and his Zone is off.

2083
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 1: So let me just set the table here very quickly.

2084
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:28,440
Speaker 2: Top rank American Boxing promotion has no television deal PBC.

2085
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 2: It's on Amazon, but certainly not a linear television and

2086
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 2: godling like, what is the Amazon deal done for PBC?

2087
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 2: Not nothing but not much I think would be the answer.

2088
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 2: And now on top of that you have Golden Boy,

2089
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 2: and here it is first source. Golden Boy and Zone

2090
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 2: have been discussing the extension of the rights deal. The

2091
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,560
Speaker 2: contract expired three months ago, and then the event you

2092
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 2: saw on Friday was a one off. There are no

2093
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 2: other Golden Boy events scheduled on Friday. The Barrios Garcia

2094
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 2: pay perview that's coming up is one of Turkey, so

2095
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 2: it's not actually a Golden Boy event, and that'll be

2096
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 2: on pay per view as well. Dude, I got to

2097
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 2: tell you this is to me why the pitch. I mean,

2098
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 2: people are like, how much worse could it be if

2099
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 2: ZUFA Boxing takes over? And on some level it's like

2100
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 2: how much worse could they do?

2101
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 1: You know what? I mean? Like this is so bad.

2102
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 2: My retort to that would be like, I just can't

2103
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 2: believe people think it's a good idea to have one

2104
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:23,719
Speaker 2: company who's the dominant promoter in wrestling, in MMA and boxing.

2105
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 2: That to me seems like you just dystopian. To be

2106
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 2: perfectly honest with you, however, however, and just assessing the situation, Chuck,

2107
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 2: could you have imagined even five years ago that American

2108
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 2: boxing would be fucking erased from the American sporting landscape

2109
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 2: as quickly as it has been. I will tell you

2110
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 2: I did not see this coming. No, I didn't see

2111
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 2: it coming either, and you wonder too.

2112
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 3: I Mean, the biggest issue has been I feel like

2113
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 3: if you didn't really follow boxing and you just kind

2114
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 3: of paid attention when big fights are trying to be made,

2115
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:56,679
Speaker 3: you would see this kind.

2116
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: Of like.

2117
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 3: How hard it is for the two guys in the

2118
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 3: same weight class from different promotions to come together and

2119
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 3: to actually do it.

2120
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: And that has been that.

2121
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 3: So when you're talking about zuofa boxing, I guess in

2122
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 3: that sense, if you're able to make fights with all

2123
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 3: the red tape and you're able to see them, that

2124
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 3: would be restorative, I think to the scene. But No,

2125
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 3: to answer your question, man, I mean, there's no way

2126
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 3: that I would see like it would you know, you

2127
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 3: mentioned Golden Boy to Zone and like you know, some

2128
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 3: of these other ones like a top rank with with

2129
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:33,600
Speaker 3: ESPN not existing or you know, not renewing or just

2130
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 3: kind of being in place with these to have a

2131
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 3: television deal. No, I could have never seen this coming

2132
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 3: because boxing, out of everything, has been like kind of

2133
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 3: the more ubiquitous of the combat sports, and this has

2134
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 3: kind of been you know, ongoing well before there was

2135
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 3: even such a thing as UFC. So to me, you know,

2136
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 3: especially with the kind of resurgence maybe you tell me too,

2137
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 3: but like with the resurgence of the Saudi money and

2138
01:34:57,560 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 3: everything that came in, it felt like there was a

2139
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 3: little bit over twenty twenty five, certainly in twenty twenty four,

2140
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:06,679
Speaker 3: twenty five more of an eye on boxing. Certainly, people

2141
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 3: who I know that were never into boxing, we're paying

2142
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 3: attention to certain events, which was a big deal in

2143
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 3: my mind.

2144
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know.

2145
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 3: I feel like sometimes the fragmentation between the promotions, you know,

2146
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 3: like makes it so difficult for people to really pay

2147
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 3: attention and tune in, and somehow that that indifference starts

2148
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 3: to reach the streaming service or whatever the platforms and

2149
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 3: you arrive in these spots. But it's a bad look

2150
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 3: for American boxes. It's a dark day in that sense.

2151
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 2: I just can't believe how I mean, It's true the

2152
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 2: older you get, the more you see things like this.

2153
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:45,719
Speaker 2: We were like, there's never been a year in boxing

2154
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:51,639
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, you know, boxing fans aren't complaining.

2155
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 2: I mean, twenty twenty three was super hot, but like

2156
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 2: even then, it's like all the sanctioning bodies did this

2157
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 2: and this guy walked away from that. Like the inefficiency

2158
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 2: efficiency of it kind of always rubbed people the wrong way,

2159
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 2: but you kind of dismiss it because you're like, you

2160
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 2: had a hot year and twenty twenty four wasn't exactly

2161
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 2: as good, but it was still pretty good, or or

2162
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 2: it was it was decent. Then last year things really

2163
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 2: took a different turn, and now it's like a completely

2164
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 2: barren landscape. What I'm trying to say is like this,

2165
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 2: It's like it's very easy to dismiss Chinese water torture

2166
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 2: when the first fruit few drops are happening, right, but

2167
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 2: like over twenty years, Chinese water torture is unbearable. You know,

2168
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 2: it's like a great point. It's just nothing ever happens,

2169
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:36,560
Speaker 2: nothing ever happens.

2170
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, it all comes crash down.

2171
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 3: I've tried to I've tried to make it more of

2172
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 3: an effort honestly, to like embrace. But you know, because

2173
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 3: so many of us in this space, there's so much

2174
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 3: going on in MMA that you just stay in that lane.

2175
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 3: But I've tried, because there's so many dynamic boxers coming up,

2176
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 3: and so I've been to multiple big events over the

2177
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 3: last couple of years, soaking in the atmosphere, just kind

2178
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 3: of getting to know, you know, the fighters better and

2179
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 3: stuff like that. And I was at the Boots and

2180
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:05,560
Speaker 3: His fight with Chikaids in I think when in twenty

2181
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:08,759
Speaker 3: twenty four, at the end in Philly, and the biggest

2182
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 3: thing was a you know, now he makes the move, right,

2183
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 3: he's going to go fight virguo Ortis. That was well,

2184
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 3: Now you get into twenty twenty six and that fight

2185
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 3: was being looked at obviously it was everybody thought we

2186
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 3: were going to get it. And now you get a

2187
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 3: situation where you know, his own and Golden Boy, you

2188
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 3: know gold He's got the lawsuit against Golden Boy Virginal Artios,

2189
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:30,640
Speaker 3: So it's like, does it happen? And I feel like

2190
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 3: this is kind of what fans end up dealing with,

2191
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 3: rather than getting a fight that you think you're going

2192
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 3: to get and maybe the one you kind of desire

2193
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 3: after watching a guy kind of come up the ranks

2194
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 3: and what's the best fight for him next to challenge him.

2195
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 3: I feel like we're always mired in this kind of

2196
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 3: thing where it's like, Nope, you can't get there, you

2197
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 3: can't get that fight.

2198
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 2: Also, like you know, it's amazing at the beginning of

2199
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,639
Speaker 2: the NFL season where they're like, here's here's the calendar,

2200
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 2: this is all of your games, this is all the

2201
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 2: games you're gonna play, here's your bile, here's the rest

2202
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 2: of you know what, I mean, and so you have

2203
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 2: this grand anticipation both about the start of the season

2204
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 2: but about each week what each one represents and even

2205
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 2: for the league. Oh, you know, there's a lot of commanders.

2206
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 2: By the way, this at the beginning of the season

2207
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 2: had like a bunch of primetime games, and then they

2208
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 2: didn't perform very well. Jadon Daniels was hurt half the time, right,

2209
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 2: and so they flexed a bunch of them. But they

2210
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 2: have that capability to then, you know, rearrange things in

2211
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 2: a way that's even more dynamic given the circumstances, and

2212
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 2: boxing has just never really had that. People have said like, oh,

2213
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 2: you you know, it would be better to have one

2214
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 2: dominant brand control it. And my answer to that is

2215
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 2: always the same, which is, Okay, I can imagine that

2216
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:38,679
Speaker 2: to be true in a world where there's significant athlete

2217
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 2: protections and that same brand is constrained in certain ways

2218
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 2: about you know, you know, with those protections or what

2219
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,640
Speaker 2: they can and can't do, as well as it's not

2220
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 2: the same ones giving you MMA, and it's not the

2221
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 2: same ones giving you pro wrestling. Under that circumstance, yes, sure,

2222
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 2: I can understand that there might be an argument with it.

2223
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 2: The degree of inefficiency in boxing has been absolutely poisonous

2224
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:06,440
Speaker 2: to it. But I mean, what can you even say anymore?

2225
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 2: They the the the architects of it.

2226
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 1: The the what do you want to say?

2227
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 2: The the people tasked with its, with its perseverance, they

2228
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 2: all fell down on the job.

2229
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 1: They all fell down on the job.

2230
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 3: It Is it just coincidence or is it I don't know,

2231
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 3: symptom like so zoop of boxing. We all knew it's

2232
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 3: gonna happen. Now it's gonna happen in the in twenty

2233
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 3: twenty six. It's and then you see these other hubbless

2234
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 3: you know, is it? Is it one of those things

2235
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 3: You're like, well they're getting into it, maybe we don't

2236
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:39,040
Speaker 3: want to be in it, Like is it?

2237
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 1: Does some of that exist? You know what I mean?

2238
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 3: Where you know, certain entities are like we're not getting

2239
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 3: a the bang for the book, and you know zopa

2240
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 3: boxing is kicking a zoopo boxing factor into that landscape,

2241
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

2242
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:52,600
Speaker 1: It's not true what you mean like who are the

2243
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: people who would be punting?

2244
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 3: Well, I'm saying, like you know, like for for de

2245
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 3: Zone not to be you know, not to have the partnership,

2246
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 3: right like if if yeah, if they if we're not

2247
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 3: going to see the the streaming services that we're doing

2248
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 3: it before h with ESPN and Top Rank for instance,

2249
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 3: like they don't have a deal right, like they're just

2250
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 3: that's come to an end. But is it does that

2251
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 3: have anything to do with suber boxing? You know what

2252
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:18,559
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like, does does that do there's one plan

2253
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 3: to the other?

2254
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 2: It might now I don't know if it did, you know,

2255
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 2: back when some of this stuff was less clear. It's

2256
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:33,960
Speaker 2: a great question for the Zone because now if you

2257
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 2: you know, like Top Rank hasn't had a deal for months,

2258
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 2: like if the Zone wanted to sign them, they could

2259
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 2: have just done it, right yeah, you know, uh and

2260
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 2: they didn't, And that to me is like a huge

2261
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 2: red flag, like Golden Boy, if they wanted to resign them,

2262
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 2: they we could be done with this already, you know.

2263
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 3: And it feels like we've been talking like sort of

2264
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 3: like eulogizing the you know, the PBC thing for a

2265
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 3: long time. I mean, we'll see all this all plans out,

2266
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 3: But the truth is, you know, you've seen this in.

2267
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 2: MMA, whereas where the death of a promotion it actually

2268
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 2: takes a little longer than you might imagine.

2269
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 1: That's true, it does.

2270
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 2: They hang on in ways where they kind of just

2271
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 2: find a way to put events on and they're cutting

2272
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 2: half the budget and no one's getting paid, but the

2273
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 2: show's kind of still happened for some reason, right that.

2274
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 2: I think, you know, you might see some of that.

2275
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:23,639
Speaker 2: But like, honestly, these fucking morons, these sanctioning bodies who

2276
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 2: just created infinite titles and never forced mandatories, they really

2277
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 2: fucked up. These promoters who got greedy and didn't want

2278
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 2: to work with each others, they fucked up. And dude,

2279
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 2: the chickens have come home to roost and now they're

2280
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 2: about to get their mother fucking lunch money taken from them.

2281
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 2: And baby, yes, congratulations. Now you can watch Canelo Mungia

2282
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 2: too in real so congrats. All right, that's it for

2283
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 2: our top five topics. Let's transition now if we can't,

2284
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 2: we do have a fun segment at the end planned. However,

2285
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 2: I have a doctor's appointment, so I don't know we're

2286
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 2: gonna be able to fit it in.

2287
01:41:58,040 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna try here, Let's see.

2288
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 2: How you Let's go to it's time now where the

2289
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:04,600
Speaker 2: fans get to ask you and me some questions. You

2290
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 2: and I You and right, it is time for dms

2291
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:12,440
Speaker 2: from dogs.

2292
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 1: I hate that fucking sound. It makes me feel at home.

2293
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 1: It's a dinver Broncos sound. So that's good. Oh right,

2294
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 1: well it's a donkey, it's not a Bronco. Well they

2295
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 1: call them the dogs.

2296
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:24,640
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, here we go. Question number one from

2297
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 2: Lord Page. That's a weird ass name. What do you

2298
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:31,839
Speaker 2: think will headline UFC three twenty seven in Miami in April?

2299
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:34,680
Speaker 2: This person writes, my pick is interim light heavyweight so

2300
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 2: Olberg versus Parhatchka and Men's flyweight.

2301
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:39,759
Speaker 1: Van versus cop.

2302
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 2: Hmmm, So three twenty four is this weekend? Yes, three

2303
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 2: twenty five will be Vulk Lopez. Two, three twenty six

2304
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 2: is Max and olivera. This will be the one after

2305
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 2: that Miami.

2306
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: Okay.

2307
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough to predict these ones that start to

2308
01:42:57,240 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 3: get near the White House because I've mentioned this as

2309
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 3: a as a vortex, because you're not sure how much

2310
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 3: talent they're going to concentrate into one thing and what

2311
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 3: that would mean to the surrounding cards, to say two

2312
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 3: or three months either side, right, I would be okay

2313
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:14,280
Speaker 3: with the fights they mentioned there like that. You know

2314
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 3: it is is Parira just guaranteed to be out, Like,

2315
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 3: what's his status right now?

2316
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 2: I mean, just think until we know if he's going

2317
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 2: to be on that White House card. Yeah, it seems

2318
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,759
Speaker 2: foolish to add him anywhere else, you know, Yeah, that's true.

2319
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:31,639
Speaker 3: I mean, to be honest, I feel like they normally speaking,

2320
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 3: you'd be like you'd have some kind of projection on this.

2321
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:35,680
Speaker 3: But the way this paramount thing is, it's kind of

2322
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 3: the abstract nature of that White House card. It's hard

2323
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:40,479
Speaker 3: to say who will end up on something like that.

2324
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 2: And honestly, you know what's kind of funny is these

2325
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:46,800
Speaker 2: Miami cards have ended up being something rather important for them,

2326
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 2: the bigger I'm trying. I'm looking here on the calendar.

2327
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,160
Speaker 2: So when they last went to Miami, let's see here,

2328
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:55,759
Speaker 2: that was three fourteen. That was a great card. Yes,

2329
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 2: Lopez one here, I mean, you know what, let me

2330
01:43:58,400 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 2: pull this up here, Miami.

2331
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 1: There we go.

2332
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 3: They've got John so again. John Silva was on that.

2333
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 3: There were a lot of lot of good fights on that.

2334
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:08,639
Speaker 2: Then they had UFC two ninety nine that was O'Malley

2335
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 2: vera tu that had some decent fights on there as well,

2336
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:13,680
Speaker 2: and then they had UFC two eighty seven which was

2337
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:15,280
Speaker 2: Poeton Izzy too, which.

2338
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 1: Was a huge fight.

2339
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they've had some pretty big main events up there,

2340
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 2: and Poeton has fought there obviously one of the bigger

2341
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 2: stars in the company. But again, to your point, I

2342
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:27,720
Speaker 2: think it's a totally correct one, the UFC White House

2343
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:31,200
Speaker 2: card in terms of like sucking up resources both before

2344
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 2: and it's like a black hole and it's just hard

2345
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,280
Speaker 2: to know what's gonna get pulled into the gravity, you know.

2346
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2347
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:43,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, next next one from Asray videos, ass Ray what

2348
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,879
Speaker 2: what are the Man in the Hats? Top five favorite films?

2349
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:49,160
Speaker 1: Wait? Do you go around like do you go around

2350
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 1: with the top five?

2351
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:51,720
Speaker 3: Like you know, like that you're always like I could

2352
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 3: just cite my top five like top.

2353
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 1: Five, No, but I could go top three maybe.

2354
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Man, Well I would have to include if you're

2355
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,760
Speaker 3: talking about just the impact right like with like your

2356
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 3: life inside is Star Wars, the original Star Wars would

2357
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:06,759
Speaker 3: be up there because that was something that was ubiquitous

2358
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 3: in my whole life, like it was always there, and

2359
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:13,280
Speaker 3: it's like, so if I'm going down in different genres too,

2360
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 3: like I love the Shining I like the Kubrick version

2361
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 3: of that.

2362
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 1: God that's jackets Well. Metal Jacket is awesome. Man.

2363
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:23,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if it would be in my top five.

2364
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:24,639
Speaker 3: But see, this is what I'm saying. I don't really

2365
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:27,680
Speaker 3: think this way, but uh god, Okay.

2366
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:29,799
Speaker 1: Here's the question. If you're trying to sound smart to someone,

2367
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:33,719
Speaker 1: what do you say? Oh?

2368
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 3: Man, the turn Horse. It's the one about Nietzsche. You remember,

2369
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 3: you ever when Nietzsche was like, uh, he broke down

2370
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 3: when he saw a horse getting whipped like and beaten.

2371
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 3: That's what sent him into this kind of madness. It's

2372
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 3: it starts with that and then it just gets darker

2373
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 3: from there. It's a black and white film, but it

2374
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 3: was really well done. It's uh white films that they

2375
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 3: are they make.

2376
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:59,479
Speaker 1: It was a good one, dude. I'm I'm a little bit.

2377
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 3: I I hate cheap action films, like for the most part,

2378
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 3: I can't watch them like I do like thought provoking movies,

2379
01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:08,800
Speaker 3: you know, so I will say it like that.

2380
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 1: Man.

2381
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 3: It's very tough for me to distill it down to five,

2382
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 3: but I do like that. I like movies that kind

2383
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 3: of have something more to them, and you know, they

2384
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 3: have real direction and good acting and all that stuff.

2385
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:22,320
Speaker 1: Kind of a snob that way, And you know what

2386
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:22,880
Speaker 1: I watch.

2387
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 2: I didn't do it on purpose, but I just kind

2388
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 2: of noticed over time that foreign films are a little bit.

2389
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:33,080
Speaker 2: The better versions of foreign films, not like any old one,

2390
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:36,559
Speaker 2: but like the better versions, they tend to have less

2391
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 2: American movie making convention built into them, obviously, yes, and

2392
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:43,120
Speaker 2: as a concert, and they tell you stories that you're

2393
01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 2: not super familiar with because it's like, oh, what is

2394
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 2: it like to be a person in this part of

2395
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:48,520
Speaker 2: the world under these circumstances.

2396
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about those things, you know.

2397
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've been watching a lot of Iranian movies,

2398
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 2: like they're frikling good.

2399
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:57,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, do they're good. Somebody just recommended one. I don't

2400
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,679
Speaker 3: remember the name of it. It was an accident, that's

2401
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 3: what's the one.

2402
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 1: That's the latest one.

2403
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:05,760
Speaker 3: It's like that actually does sound right, but yeah, man,

2404
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:07,840
Speaker 3: I loved or it was just an accident something like that.

2405
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think something like that.

2406
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 2: The last one I saw was Seed of the Sacred

2407
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 2: fig which was they had to shoot it into ran

2408
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 2: in secret.

2409
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 1: Wow. It was badass, like really really really good.

2410
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 3: Favorite you're one of those people I would actually take

2411
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:23,720
Speaker 3: recommendations from There's a lot of people are like, oh,

2412
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 3: you got to watch this, you got to watch this,

2413
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:27,680
Speaker 3: and you watch one of them and like, okay, I

2414
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 3: can't listen that. You've lost your credibility, you know, like

2415
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 3: at some point you send you send me Astray the

2416
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 3: first time, you.

2417
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: Mean, like BC being like, dude, I liked Rise of Skywalker.

2418
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of my life, you know, give

2419
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 1: the fuck out of my life. Like the sequels were

2420
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 1: better than the prequels. Yeah, dude, anyone who's like, dude,

2421
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 1: the prequels are great.

2422
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 2: I like jar Jar binks you're a fucking idiot and

2423
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:47,360
Speaker 2: your parents don't love you.

2424
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:49,439
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you've been on that one for a bit.

2425
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 1: Just camp. Here's the thing, because I this is the

2426
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:54,880
Speaker 1: funny part. Love. I've said this a million times. I'm old,

2427
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 1: and I know that I'm old.

2428
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's no how could I hide such

2429
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:01,519
Speaker 2: a thing. But I was nineteen when the prequels came out.

2430
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,839
Speaker 2: I was nineteen, and I remember the entire country being.

2431
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:09,160
Speaker 1: Like, this is bullshit. These movies are terrible.

2432
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 2: They got mocked on Conan O'Brien every single night for

2433
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:15,719
Speaker 2: being how fucking bad they were, and then the people

2434
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:17,800
Speaker 2: who were kids at the time have now grown up

2435
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 2: being like, no, we love the prequels. You're a fucking

2436
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:22,759
Speaker 2: idiot and your parents don't love you all right. Next

2437
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 2: uh from Empty Booble, Does Chuck have a favorite hat? Well,

2438
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 2: that's an important question.

2439
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.

2440
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 3: And you know most of these are directed tored me

2441
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:32,720
Speaker 3: because that graphic they did was like Chuck Minton Han

2442
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:38,519
Speaker 3: was like a strong male prequel. So, uh, probably there's

2443
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 3: like a traveling Barcelona that I bought, like the original one,

2444
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:44,840
Speaker 3: Like this way back at UFC one oh seven at

2445
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 3: the Peacock in Memphis, they had like a little hat place.

2446
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 3: I bought that, and it's always been one of my favorites.

2447
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:53,960
Speaker 3: But I'm not even sure I still have it, but

2448
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 3: that at the time I wore it a lot, and

2449
01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 3: it was kind of the beginning of the Man in

2450
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:57,799
Speaker 3: the Hat and all that stuff.

2451
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:00,840
Speaker 2: So I'd probably say that one. Go full screen on

2452
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,599
Speaker 2: Chuck here for a second. Look on the left side,

2453
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:05,840
Speaker 2: if you're watching the screen, look at the hats. Yeah, exactly,

2454
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:07,120
Speaker 2: on the ones over there, look at all that.

2455
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 1: Shit that kind of extends over there too. It goes,

2456
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:10,040
Speaker 1: how many hats do you have?

2457
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:11,720
Speaker 3: And then there's a few more on my door over

2458
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,559
Speaker 3: here with the Ryan Garcia gloves. I probably like these

2459
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 3: types of hats. I probably got like thirty of them.

2460
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 3: But I had like a deal with Boston scally Cap.

2461
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so like, uh so they made like a

2462
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 3: myth hat. So I've got to I've got to if

2463
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:28,160
Speaker 3: you count those, I've got a bunch because I sell them.

2464
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 3: But like in terms of just the ones that aren't

2465
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 3: that probably like thirty and then a bunch of ball caps.

2466
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 1: You know, you got to cover up the ball.

2467
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:40,200
Speaker 3: Dome, man, you know, just let it go. Why haven't

2468
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 3: you flown to Turkey? And then this was an Eric

2469
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 3: nixick thing. Uh Eric Nixon. I saw him fint last straight.

2470
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 3: He's like, dude, you gotta go to Turkey, man, you

2471
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 3: gotta go to Turkey.

2472
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 1: It was all about it.

2473
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:53,800
Speaker 3: He's just gotten back and he's got a nice lush

2474
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:57,080
Speaker 3: head of hair. Now it could be men. I'm not

2475
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:57,680
Speaker 3: gonna do it.

2476
01:49:57,920 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 1: No.

2477
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 3: I was with Sean el Shoddy. It was also like

2478
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 3: he's been bald since he was twenty one. Yeah, I

2479
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:08,000
Speaker 3: mean it's insane. Yes, that's the only reason that truly.

2480
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,160
Speaker 2: It's the only reason I haven't got on TRT yet

2481
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:13,280
Speaker 2: is that I know that you can also take medications

2482
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 2: to prevent hair loss while you're on TRT.

2483
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 1: But it's like, I don't know, No, you got like nice,

2484
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:20,240
Speaker 1: you got a nice head of hair.

2485
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 2: There would message what I'm saying, like I'm just gonna

2486
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:23,920
Speaker 2: punch on this to have some bigger muscles for a

2487
01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 2: little bit.

2488
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2489
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Next one from von beckcal in your opinion, boys,

2490
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 2: which MMA era would you consider it?

2491
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 1: The Golden era? Great question? Check what do you think?

2492
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 1: Just to the sport, it had to be.

2493
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 3: It would have to be around the time of the

2494
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 3: of the Sale, right like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. Yeah,

2495
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:45,479
Speaker 3: because you had the biggest stars at that moment, and

2496
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:49,200
Speaker 3: Ronda Rousey's still around, you had a Connor McGregor, and

2497
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 3: there was just it felt like it was as big,

2498
01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to say it as big

2499
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 3: as gonna get. It felt like it was still going places,

2500
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:59,799
Speaker 3: but it felt so big from where it had come from,

2501
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:01,680
Speaker 3: and there was just so many good fights that they

2502
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:02,599
Speaker 3: were making at that time.

2503
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 1: I agree. And also like one thing of one of my.

2504
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 2: One of my issues with the current state of MMA

2505
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:12,799
Speaker 2: is that like, in some ways it's got more cultural

2506
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:16,240
Speaker 2: cachet and relevance than it ever has. But it used

2507
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 2: to be a broader more like it had more subcultures,

2508
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:23,719
Speaker 2: It had more it was a more interesting thing because

2509
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 2: there was more to it. And to me, MMA has

2510
01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:29,800
Speaker 2: gotten more homogenized and a little bit smaller. Even though

2511
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 2: it might be in certain ways globally more popular, it's

2512
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:36,320
Speaker 2: still it's it's less of a thing that invites more people,

2513
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:39,839
Speaker 2: you know, but fifteen twenty sixteen, where you're like Rowsey

2514
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 2: is at her peak popularity, and like, do you remember.

2515
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 1: When Rosy gainst Man, Ye might be.

2516
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 2: Do you remember when Rowsy first came around and it

2517
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 2: was like little girls were going to UFC events, like

2518
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 2: a bunch of them, and you.

2519
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 3: Saw I saw girls crying when she went up and

2520
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 3: signed their stuff. I was like a roped off petition

2521
01:51:57,640 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 3: thating she went over and signed and they were crying

2522
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:00,719
Speaker 3: like they were like was the Beatles.

2523
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:03,200
Speaker 2: It was amazing to see that, And I think that

2524
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:05,519
Speaker 2: kind of thing is kind of lost. Yeah, all right,

2525
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:08,799
Speaker 2: I think there's one more maybe from Bucket of Chips.

2526
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:12,280
Speaker 2: Luke has had a few embarrassing moments we know, well Jones,

2527
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 2: fad or, I don't recall what that one was, But

2528
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:18,360
Speaker 2: what have I've had many of them? What have been

2529
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:20,679
Speaker 2: some of Chuck's most embarrassing moments with a fighter?

2530
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:20,960
Speaker 5: Oh?

2531
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:23,960
Speaker 2: Oh, like you know where John wouldn't answer my question.

2532
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 2: Or I had a bad interview with Fador, which, by

2533
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 2: the way, is Fador's fault.

2534
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, he's not a good Yeah, yeah, I

2535
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:32,320
Speaker 3: mean the no, I haven't had a ton of these,

2536
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:35,200
Speaker 3: which just I'm fortunate, you know, like and most fighters,

2537
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:37,160
Speaker 3: I feel like, have been fairly okay with me. But

2538
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:41,040
Speaker 3: Tim Sylvia like and this was all because his manager

2539
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:42,639
Speaker 3: at the time, Money Costs, called like he was trying

2540
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 3: to make a point that when Tim Silvia came to

2541
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 3: the gym, he didn't really he wasn't that good, and

2542
01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 3: he called he was like, oh my god, who is

2543
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:50,080
Speaker 3: this fat tube of shit? That's what he said to me, right,

2544
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:52,080
Speaker 3: So there's a quote of his, not mine, like he's

2545
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 3: a fat type of shit. And then as he kind

2546
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:56,360
Speaker 3: of ascended in the UFC and became a champion, he's like,

2547
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:58,240
Speaker 3: oh my god. He was trying to say, like, my

2548
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:00,320
Speaker 3: fat tub of shit became a champion, like he was

2549
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 3: trying to give him his flowers, as such as like saying,

2550
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 3: like I I I was wrong about this guy. He's

2551
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:09,760
Speaker 3: actually that good, right tim Sylvia saw that quote a

2552
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 3: pull quote and a piece I'd written about Bettendorf and

2553
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:16,680
Speaker 3: got very very upset by it, thinking I was calling

2554
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Speaker 3: him a fat piece of shit, and I think he

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01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 3: was on some show, maybe Ariels, he was on some

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01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 3: show and he was basically, you know, kind of threatening

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01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:25,760
Speaker 3: me up. But I wasn't necessarily embarrassing, but it was

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01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:28,840
Speaker 3: a little embarrassing that he didn't understand the context of

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01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:30,040
Speaker 3: what he was looking at.

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01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 2: Listening and reading comprehension skills are in short supply of

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01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:33,719
Speaker 2: these days.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but I mean, honestly, not too much.

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Speaker 3: Besides like stuff like that, like guys getting pissed off

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01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:41,679
Speaker 3: over you know, reasons there You're like, ah, it's not really,

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01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, BC has uh has pissed off a lot

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Speaker 1: of people.

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01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:48,479
Speaker 3: I've pissed off got the whole flyweight the strawweight division, right,

2569
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:50,040
Speaker 3: like it's been kind of offended or.

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01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:54,639
Speaker 1: Well, the charlow's cursed him out on him.

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01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've had I've had a few of those

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Speaker 2: as well.

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01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that it are? I think that's the five

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01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 1: that's it.

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01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:04,280
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we have to punt on the thing that we

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01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:06,720
Speaker 2: had try or we're gonna try today because I do

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01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:07,679
Speaker 2: have a doctor's appointment.

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01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 1: I apologize everyone about this, but we'll bring it.

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01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:12,880
Speaker 2: We'll get to it either the end of this week

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01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:15,719
Speaker 2: or the beginning of next one. Chuck, where can folks

2581
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:17,920
Speaker 2: find your coverage this week? What's the best place to

2582
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:19,479
Speaker 2: get what you're Yeah.

2583
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do.

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01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 3: I'll have something in the zoof of boxing. It's gonna

2585
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 3: appear at Uncrowned probably on Saturday. I'll have some kind

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01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 3: of wrap up piece there, and that's where all the

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01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:29,920
Speaker 3: UFC three twenty four coverage of mine will be as well.

2588
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:33,120
Speaker 2: And of course you can see the socials here down below.

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01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 2: We are on TikTok, we are on YouTube, we are

2590
01:54:35,240 --> 01:54:38,040
Speaker 2: on ig and then Twitter. Don't forget merch. You can

2591
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:41,520
Speaker 2: go to Morning Coombat Dot Shop. Of course, the poster

2592
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:44,480
Speaker 2: is available for I think half off or something approximating that,

2593
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 2: and then of course the Stranger Danger logos on everything,

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01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:50,520
Speaker 2: including the two different kinds of shirts. They last until

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Speaker 2: January thirty. First, we will have a show later this week. Well,

2596
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna break down everything.

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01:54:56,480 --> 01:54:57,200
Speaker 1: I do have to go.

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01:54:57,240 --> 01:55:02,000
Speaker 2: I apologize, Chuck, safe travels, my friend, enjoy the meta apex,

2599
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 2: and I look forward to your coverage. All right, man,

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01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:09,880
Speaker 2: very good for Charles Mindenhall. I'm Luke Thomas. Thank you

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01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 2: all so much for watching. We're out of here until

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Speaker 2: next time. May all of your gains be loyal