1 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Hi guys, Welcome back to Killer Thriller Docu Edition. I'm 2 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: your host, Jen Fessler, and we are going in depth 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: and behind the scenes of the most watched and most 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: binged true crime documentaries and docuseries. So today we are 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: diving into the Netflix documentary American Murder Lacy Peterson. I 6 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: don't know if anyone of you listeners remember Lacey and 7 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: this story, but it happened on December twenty fourth, two 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: thousand and two. I remember it very well. Lacy Peterson, 9 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: who was eight months pregnant, was reported missing by her son, 10 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 1: Scott Peterson and stepfather. So Scott claimed that he'd gone 11 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: to the Berkeley Marina, which was almost ninety miles away 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: from their home, to go fishing that morning, and that 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: he had last seen Lacey before he left their modesto, 14 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: California home. During the massive and it was massive search 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: for Lacey, a woman named Amber Fry came forward and 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: told detectives that she had been dating Scott Peterson for months, 17 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: which completely blew the whole case wide open and turned 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: everyone's attention on Lacey's husband, Scott, as a possible suspect. 19 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: Lacey and her son Connor's body washed up in the 20 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay, just a few miles away from where 21 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: Scott Peterson had been well quote unquote fishing on the 22 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: day of her disappearance. So Scott was arrested, charged for 23 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: the murders of Lacey and their son, Connor, and then 24 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: there was a trial, actually a five month trial, and 25 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: he was found guilty of first degree murder for Lacey's 26 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: death and second degree murder for Connor's death. Initially, he 27 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: was sentenced to death in two thousand and five, and 28 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: then the sentence was overturned in twenty twenty due to 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: what they said was juror issues, resulting in re sentencing 30 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, where he was sentenced to life 31 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: in prison without the possibility of parole. And today I 32 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: almost cannot believe it, but I am speaking with the 33 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: most incredible director of this and many amazing documentaries, Skyle 34 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: borgmann Sky. I cannot thank you enough for coming on. 35 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm a big, big, big fan of yours. 36 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: Thank you. 37 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: I am. I watched a known number whoa whoa, whoa whoa, 38 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: and we're not here to talk about it today, but 39 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: maybe some other time. Maybe that is that's some sick Yeah, 40 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: it's fascinating and the way that you did it, the 41 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: way that the surprise of it all. Anyway, sorry, guys, 42 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: that's not we're here to talk about. We are here 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: to talk about Lacy Peterson. So I want to know, 44 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: first of all, how you got involved in this project. 45 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this is what you do, right, so you 46 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: do do a lot of true crime, but this is 47 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: to me, this this was iconic. So Lacey would be 48 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: how old today? I feel like just about my age. 49 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 2: I would guess, I mean just about mine too, in her. 50 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: Fifty seve Yeah, I'm fifty seven. Yeah, So I mean 51 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: I remember this. It feels like it was yesterday, but 52 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: I remember it in real time. And so tell me 53 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: what brought you to telling this story, why you picked 54 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: Lacey in the story? 55 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: I'm in the same boat. I mean, I remember it happening. 56 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: I grew up on the West Coast. I was in 57 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: you know, Klamath Falls and now California. You know, so 58 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: so knew about this story, followed this story as it 59 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: was happening, and had always kind of you know, it 60 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 2: always just haunts you a little bit. And I don't 61 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: know exactly like the story came about, Like I was 62 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: talking with Netflix, and we talked about the Lacy Peterson 63 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: story and they felt like it was just a really 64 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: great one to revisit, and I had such sort of 65 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: a visceral response to it, and so we sort of 66 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: chatted and said, yeah, let's let's let's do this. Let's 67 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: go back and revisit. And there'd also been oh, a 68 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: few years back, there had been yeah, kind of a 69 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: Scott Peterson is innocent, like they were looking into that, 70 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: and then right around the same time that ours came out, 71 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: another dot came out that was more sort of heavily 72 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: into questioning Scott's guilt and really saying that he was innocent. 73 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: So I think that timing of it really was fortuitous. 74 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering. I have to ask you why American Murder? 75 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: Why is that the title? Just because it felt like 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: this all American? 77 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean American, this husband, wife, this, I mean, 78 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 2: it feels like, I mean, it just feels like such 79 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: an American stories. 80 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: It does, and it does, and it was. 81 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: Such an American I mean, like, you look at Lacey 82 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: and she just sort of exemplifies this quintessential American young 83 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: woman marrying this guy, and so it just felt like 84 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: such an American story that that's how we landed on 85 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: that title. And then to me, it was really important 86 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: to have it be about Lacey Peterson and not about 87 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: Scott because I feel like everything else scene has very 88 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: much been about him, and I wanted Lacey to really 89 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: be at the forefront of what this series was. 90 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: About, so right, and I felt that right. I definitely 91 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: felt like this was and I think that you were 92 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,559 Speaker 1: very objective in terms of the story, and especially because 93 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: you had Scott's family on as well. But I felt 94 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: very close to Lacey while watching it, certainly because of 95 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: her mom and the way that you even the way 96 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: that you had the friends sitting there and talking about 97 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: her and then flashing back to them dancing around the 98 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: living room. All of it made me feel close to 99 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: her and very even more sad I made it all 100 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: even that much more real. But you know, I don't 101 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: feel like you were not objective. I do feel like 102 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: you did have even at the end, you know, you 103 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: were very clear that his family they do not think 104 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: he did this so well, you know, but I feel 105 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: like it was for Lacey. 106 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was for Lacey. And look, I think Scott's 107 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: family wouldn't object to that, like they are sad that 108 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: Lacey's gone too, and they've always said that, you know 109 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: that they miss her as well. But you're right. I mean, 110 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: his family still one hundred percent believes that he is 111 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: not the one that killed her. So and look at 112 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: the beginning of the whole process because these, yeah, documentary 113 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: had been done before about Scott's innocence. You know, I 114 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: definitely looked into it. And it's this massive undertaking to 115 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: get all these police documents, to reach out to officers involved, 116 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 2: to reach out to Scott's family, and to kind of 117 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 2: see how all of these things land and what evidence 118 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: is actually there that we want to talk about, and 119 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: what evidence can be a little bit like not twisted, 120 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 2: but looked at in a different way, you know, and 121 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: to kind of approach it in a way that that 122 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: is objective and that we're really looking at what happened, 123 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: how it happened, and what a jury ultimately decided. 124 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, was it difficult to a difficult task to get 125 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: For instance, obviously Lacy's mom on board was that was 126 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: she all in from the beginning or did you have 127 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: to work your magic? 128 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: It was a little bit of magic. Sharon hasn't done 129 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: an interview for anything. I don't think beyond you know, 130 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: when Lacey was first missing and she was reaching news 131 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: outlets were reaching out to her, and she was looking 132 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: for Lacey. But beyond that, Sharon has chosen not to 133 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: speak publicly. And I'm not sure why she chose to 134 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: do it this time. I mean, we'd been in contact 135 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: with her for a pretty long period of time, for 136 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: a year and a half or two years, talking to 137 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: her about really wanting this to be about Lacey and 138 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: having it be victim forward, and she liked that. I 139 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: think it was really just this kind of process of 140 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: her figuring out that she wanted to take this opportunity 141 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: to honor her daughter and to speak publicly about it. 142 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: And I'm so thankful she did, because I think her 143 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: presence changes the entire series in such a great way. 144 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: To see this mother and daughter and there finde and 145 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: how she said it years after the fact. 146 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: It's funny because I remember her looking the way she 147 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: did twenty years ago. So when you had, you know, 148 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: tape of that and then flash forward to look at 149 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: she's a beautiful woman aged today. She looked today, I know, 150 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: autiful woman, and I you know, but I look, I 151 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: see her face and I guess, I don't know, for 152 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: whatever reason, maybe I'm she's a beautiful woman, but I 153 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: can see that the grief, you know what I mean, 154 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: it's it's we all age and. 155 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 2: We all go on, but it just feels a little bit, 156 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 2: you know, going through all of this, it steals a 157 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: bit of your soul. 158 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, it's true. What about Scott's sister 159 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: sister in law? Was it hard to get them on board? 160 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: So we talked to them reasonably early on, and they're 161 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: pretty willing to talk, you know. They they take the 162 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: opportunities they can to really say that Scott is innocent, 163 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: and so felt that this was another opportunity. And I 164 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: have to say, you know, it was interesting talking to 165 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 2: them because they fully know what speaking publicly can do 166 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: in the backlash they can get and the support that 167 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: they can get, you know. But but but they really 168 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 2: feel that it's important to talk about and so they 169 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 2: were need to be on camera. 170 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: Has Amber spoken before this, I don't remember her speaking. 171 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: I think has. Yeah. We reached out to Amber too, 172 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: and I don't think she'd ever been in anything before. 173 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: But I mean that clip of her, you know, getting 174 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: up and doing the press conference is like seared into 175 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: my brain. 176 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: Yes, mine too, mine too, mine too. 177 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: Being able to sit down with Amber was was really. 178 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: Great, unbelievable. So all right, so just specifics because my 179 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: head is spinning from it all, and even you gave, 180 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: there's so much information and I could just continue to 181 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: ask questions and talk about and then maybe that's the 182 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: sign of like a great documentary, is that you're still 183 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: just so fascinated by it. Right, So, after she went missing, 184 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: the way he picked up the phone, well went missing, 185 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: quote unquote, but he put he literally just picked upon 186 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: and I would have thought that he would have had 187 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: it planned out a little bit better, right, I mean, 188 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: if this is premeditated murder, and maybe he is, he 189 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think it probably was suspicious to law enforcement, 190 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: but it just seems so weird and random. 191 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: Well, I think what the strangest thing to me was 192 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: this this dual. 193 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: Story, the golfing fishing part of it. 194 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: Golfing fishing. Yeah, that he'd gone golfing and then it 195 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: was that he'd gone fishing. So I think that that 196 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: was and to law enforcement too. I mean, as soon 197 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: as they started canvassing the neighborhood, you know, and heard 198 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: that he had told a neighbor he had gone golfing, 199 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: and then he told law enforced me he'd gone fishing. 200 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: There was just a red flag that was raised there 201 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: that that was certainly socious, you know. Yeah, and the 202 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: comings and goings and just it's funny because I had 203 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: my showrunners from the Bay Area and she's like, nobody 204 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: drives from Modesta, so drives an hour and a half 205 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: to go fishing. Like there's lakes everywhere to go fishing, 206 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 2: So who would do that? You know, So it's just 207 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: that question on you know, Christmas Eve, who drives that far? 208 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: I don't particularly think it's hugely suspicious, But she is pregnant. 209 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: You believe in your wife that's you know, eight months 210 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: pregnant at this point in time, and going fishing, and 211 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: you've got plans to kind of go to the in 212 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: laws later that night for Christmas Eve dinner. And it 213 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: just there's just some things that are a little bit weird. 214 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, completely weird. I mean from from 215 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: the beginning, the way that he just called everyone she's missing, 216 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: she's missing, was just so it was it absolutely was, 217 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: in my mind a red flag. But a lot of 218 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: this is, you know, a juror said that case that 219 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: the prosecutors created a story. I don't remember what the 220 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: exact quote was, but like they obviously they found the body. 221 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: But in terms of just empirical evidence, I think there 222 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: was a lot of evidence, but it was the whole 223 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: thing sort of makes sense when you see it in 224 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: its totality, right, Like I can see how the people 225 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: that love him the most can still be kind of 226 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: in denial, right, because I don't know that there was 227 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: ever You tell what you think, but like an absolute line, 228 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you think he did it. 229 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah for you, And there was a lot 230 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: there was a lot of circumstantial evidence that when you 231 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: pile all that circumstantial evidence on top of itself, it 232 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: points to Scott Peterson. Yes, family is doing exactly what 233 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: you're talking about saying, well, there's no hard evidence, like 234 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 2: DNA is impossible, right because he's the husband. There's right everywhere, 235 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: so there's no way to link the DNA. There's no camera, 236 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: you know, footage of showing you know, him murdering Lacey. 237 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: So there's no hard evidence that linked Scott to do this. 238 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 2: He had a story about where he was, what he 239 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: was doing, that he wasn't there, that he was off fishing. 240 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: So so there are different accounts of how things happened. 241 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: But there's also what people absolutely knew from phone records 242 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 2: and when his phone pinged close to the house, that 243 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 2: seems to indicate that he was leaving in his truck, 244 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 2: going to his work, driving that hour and a half 245 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: to get to the Bay Area, coming home, getting home. 246 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: Oh there's there's of course, there's every everything points to him. 247 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: I don't and again I don't have any doubts about it, 248 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying I'm trying to, you know, picture 249 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: as his mother, as his sister, as his you know, 250 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: I can see that they say there's not anything. There's 251 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: no absolutes here necessarily. But the thing also that the 252 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: only thing that was a disconnect for me was I 253 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: think it was his father that said, how what a 254 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: wonderful boy he was he grew up with. You didn't 255 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: touch on this as much, but his family seemed pretty 256 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: healthy for all intents and purposes. And I don't know, 257 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: right well, you didn't get into as much of that, 258 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: but he just seemed like a guy, and what what 259 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: what the. 260 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: Fuck there's some complicated family dynamics going on with the Peterson's. 261 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: I mean, one of the more interesting things is is 262 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: that his parents Scott was their biological son, and they 263 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: had they had, you know, brothers and sisters on both 264 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: sides of the face. 265 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: Right, oh right, okay, So he was. 266 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: Really kind of the golden boy. 267 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: Right, I remember you, yeah, yeah, I remember that. 268 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: You got a lot of attention kind of for that. 269 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: And he was he was really yeah, he was really 270 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: you know theirs and loved by them. So but look, 271 00:14:55,640 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: lived an incredibly privileged life. They had good money, they 272 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: belonged to country clubs. You know, there was a lot 273 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: of privilege in that life. 274 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: So not okay, and the golden boy and tall and 275 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: good looking, I mean, and all of these really cares. 276 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: I didn't see him as because and even the I 277 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: think the police law for did like he's very monotone. 278 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: So I didn't get the charismatic piece of him in 279 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: the dock. Maybe he seemed cold blooded a little to 280 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: me in it. But I mean, listen, and you know, 281 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: she even her name fit her. She's so adorable. Just 282 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: late she seemed like a Lacey you know. But but 283 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: the part that made me want to think maybe he 284 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: didn't do it. Is that whole part that I can't 285 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: understand where he was coming from, even with the affair. 286 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: He didn't want to have children, And I don't know 287 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: if she knew. I don't think she even knew that 288 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: he was having an affair, right if there's been any right, 289 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: so she didn't even know. So what drives a golden 290 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: boy who grew up in country club, who met the 291 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: world's most adorable woman and to commit murder? What the F? 292 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: I mean, it's the big question, right, And I think 293 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: it's and I think that's that's part of the reason 294 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: why there are people out there who think that he 295 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: didn't do it, because, yeah, get a divorce. Just get 296 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: a divorce. If you don't love her anymore, you met 297 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: this other woman, you don't want to be a dad. 298 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: I mean, there are plenty of dead beat dads out 299 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: there who don't. 300 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: Murder their one hundred percent. 301 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 2: So be a dead beat dad. 302 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: I had one. I know all about it. 303 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: Oh right, So he had options that didn't they didn't 304 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: have to include murder. So, I mean it is a 305 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,239 Speaker 2: big question, like why would he go to those extremes? 306 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: I think the other big question too, is like, you know, 307 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: when did he do it, how did it happen? Like 308 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: what were the actual circumstances? And I don't think anybody 309 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: is will ever know how he killed her or what happened. 310 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: They said, what so one of I guess maybe she's 311 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: FBI said it was a soft murder, meaning that it 312 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: was their strangulation, strangulation or suffocation, right, yeah, yeah, because 313 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: that's what they think, right because there was no blood. 314 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: What about the part where they say that Connor, I 315 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: don't remember if this was proven or not, but that 316 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: he was alive maybe outside of the womb. 317 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's some some some differing opinions here. So 318 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: there was an expert who came in and said that 319 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 2: they believed that he had been alive outside of this 320 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: womb of the womb because there's a fecal matter, a 321 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 2: mucle well, I don't remember what it's called, that's exposed. 322 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: His membrane something yes, okay, okay. 323 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: And he still had that intact, so they seem to 324 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 2: think that he was could still have been alive. There 325 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 2: were also some indications of like how far along she 326 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: was in her pregnancy and the size of the little 327 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 2: baby corpse. That washed up onto the shore, and those 328 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 2: seem to not exactly you know, exist in the same place, 329 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: but there's always sort of windows, and so there's it's 330 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: those questions and those potential sort of things not quite 331 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 2: lining up that I think are one of the main 332 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: reasons that this story still sort of entices all of us, 333 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: that we still have people out there saying this doesn't 334 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: line up. I think he's innocent or it doesn't really matter, 335 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: I think he's guilt in why those conversations still exist today. 336 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 2: It really heated conversations still exist, And I. 337 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: Get it, I really do, because I think he did it. 338 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't want to be on the jury. I know, 339 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: I know, I mean, I'm not and I'm in my 340 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: mind there's no question, but I still wouldn't want to 341 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: be the person that, you know, sentenced him to death. 342 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: I know, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, all right, 343 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: So what about the friends? So first of all, did 344 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: they give you any they were interested, were they interested 345 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: from the get go? Were they happy to do it 346 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: or did that take any It. 347 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: Was really it was really a conversation because Sharon and 348 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: the friends are so close like they It really was 349 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 2: kind of a Okay, we're either all going to do 350 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 2: this or none of us are going to do it. 351 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: And so there was a lot of conversations that they 352 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: had amongst themselves and with Sharon to try to figure 353 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 2: out if this was the right thing to do, and 354 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: ultimately they all they all did. They were they were 355 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: going to do what Sharon wanted them to do. 356 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: And share really yeah, and you know, they felt like 357 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: my friends. Yeah, that's that's the thing, like, And that 358 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: was another part of it that was just I thought 359 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: was so great in terms of the storytelling of it. 360 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: To have their perspective to talk about baby showers and 361 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, their pain. I thought that was I don't 362 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: know it it made her even that much more human, 363 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, and I felt I felt for them and 364 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: and also it feels to me though like they had 365 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: their doubts about wasn't touched on too much, but they 366 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: had their doubts about Scott before it happened. And I 367 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: don't know that they said anything really incriminating necessarily, but 368 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: do you feel like that, like they kind of look. 369 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 2: It's always to twenty twenty. Hindsight's twenty twenty, right, yes, back, 370 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: And I think they didn't you know, like he was 371 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: kind of this like hey, hey, hey kind of guy. 372 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, do lots of this. 373 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna. 374 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: Be right, yes, well, yes, one of those. 375 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: I think they caught onto that pretty quickly. But they also, 376 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: you know, their best friend was also super in love 377 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: with him, so they're like, all right, it was a 378 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 2: little bit of a mover and shaker, but he seems 379 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: like a decent enough guy, comes from a decent family, 380 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: so it's okay. And I think that is especially hard 381 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: as a friend or as a mom to sort of 382 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: be on the other end of it and kind of go, 383 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,959 Speaker 2: why didn't I know better? Why didn't I trust that 384 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: guy instinct? Why didn't I say lazy? This kind of 385 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 2: a dick? 386 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: Guess what, Scott? You know many of my friends are 387 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: married to dick's. Sorry I don't mean you, but seriously, like, 388 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: how many blowhards do? I know? Right, It's not like 389 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: that wouldn't be like, don't marry me's a murderer, So 390 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: you know, I hope that they don't have guilt around 391 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: any of that or anything, because they were such good friends. 392 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: Great friends, I mean like great friends, like even you know, 393 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: once Lacy was married. She was the first of the 394 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 2: group to get married. 395 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: And. 396 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,239 Speaker 2: Was she the first She was young, she was one 397 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 2: of the first to get married, and they still like 398 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 2: hung out, you know, like when you're young and married, 399 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: like kind of forget about your friends and you go 400 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 2: off and you're just doing stuff with your husband. And 401 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: she and her friends were still just doing everything together. 402 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: They were really really close. 403 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: So talk to me a little bit about her friends 404 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: and her mom and Amber. I thought that was such 405 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: an interesting part of this story, the way that they 406 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: were able to I don't know if the word is 407 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: embrace Amber, but almost it almost. It feels like they 408 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: almost felt for her, like she was duped, they knew it, 409 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: and just because she had an affair with Lacey's husband, 410 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: they were not going to, you know, condemn her and 411 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: instead actually almost felt like embrace her. I mean, is 412 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: that how it went down? 413 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean pretty much. I wouldn't wouldn't say they 414 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: all went on to be really chilling, right right, right, 415 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 2: But what Amber did? She brought answers when there were none, 416 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 2: and so Lacey's friends and her family really appreciated getting 417 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 2: some answers out of this abyss and for that they 418 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: were able to kind of really understand where Amber came 419 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: from and that she was duped as well, and they 420 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 2: were able to really embrace her and not blame her, 421 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 2: which the media did just a massive expense. 422 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: I remember. That's what I was about. That was my 423 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: next question, because in the documentary it was clear, it 424 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: was clear the way that you made it. This is 425 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: not somebody who this is somebody that was duped. This 426 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: is not somebody that had anything to do with this 427 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: murder disappearance, and if anything, was a victim here as well. 428 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: But I remember that I don't know that she was 429 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: a suspect, an official suspect, but kind of if I'm 430 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: remembering correctly, like she was considered. Was she part of it? 431 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: You know? Did she was it a team idea? Is 432 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: that right? 433 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely? And I think it was really I don't 434 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: think she was. I mean, initially, as she calls in, 435 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 2: she's like, I'm seeing Scott Peterson. Of course the cops 436 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: are going to look at her, but the cops pretty 437 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 2: quickly realized that she didn't know that Scott had been married, 438 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: and she was so instrumental, like those calls that she made. 439 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: Just Okay, what what I mean she missed her calling. 440 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: She should have been an FBI agent something she was. 441 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: She was good. That was unreal. I don't know how 442 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: she held together. 443 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: I don't know how she did either. She's just and 444 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 2: there's a little bit of coaching, you know from BROUKINI, 445 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 2: but not really like you hear her on those calls 446 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: and she's believable and she's trying to get answers but 447 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: not push Scott too far. And there were a lot 448 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: of taped calls that she had, and so as soon 449 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 2: as she was willing to tape those calls and be 450 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 2: on the law enforcement side, like I think it was 451 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: pretty clear early on to law enforcement that she was 452 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 2: not part of it. But it's such a great story, right. 453 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,239 Speaker 2: The media picked up on it and was able to 454 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: really drag her through the mud for an extended. 455 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: You just reminded me there was a part in it 456 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: where I don't remember again if it was FBI or 457 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: the police, they're watching it, but I was a woman 458 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: and watching it, watching the media frenzy and saying we 459 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: did this, like we created this. 460 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: Or was it? 461 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: No, that's not excuse me. It was somebody from the media. 462 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: It was the interviewer. It was what is her name? 463 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: The blonde woman? Yes, and she said did we do this? 464 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: And I thought that was so interesting, right because obviously 465 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: it was a media frenzy, and I think it sounds 466 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: it sounded like the likes of which has not really 467 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: been seen before in terms of these were not famous people, 468 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: right right, this was all as you said it was 469 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: because maybe they were so all American. But I thought 470 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: it was interesting that she it almost felt like she 471 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: was taking some responsibility for do you know, I mean, 472 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: you know her obviously. 473 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think as part of the media, you know, 474 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: everybody kind of knows what a good story is. They 475 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: carry with them a huge responsibility of how they impact 476 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: that story, of what they do to to have that 477 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: story go in the right direction in the wrong direction. 478 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: But there's also incredible pressure from networks to get these stories, 479 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: to get to the heart of these stories, to get 480 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 2: the most salacious things of these stories. So I think 481 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: with every journalist there's always this push and pull of 482 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: what is ethical, what is real, and what's going to 483 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: get the ratings. And sometimes you know, especially twenty years ago, 484 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,239 Speaker 2: it was very these things weren't talked about quite as 485 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: much as they are now, and so getting the ratings 486 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 2: was one of the more important things. 487 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: So you do think she felt like she had created 488 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: I don't like her contributed in some way to the 489 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: outcome of the story. 490 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 2: I mean I don't. Yes, absolutely, I think she feels 491 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: she contributed in some way to the outcome of the story. 492 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: Good or bad. 493 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think she felt like it was an 494 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: entirely bad thing. I mean, like there was there was 495 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: pressure on Scott Peterson at this point, you know, and 496 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 2: everybody was kind of talking about this. I don't know 497 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: that she necessarily had has any guilty feelings about. 498 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: I hope not. I certainly hope not. 499 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: But like I think it's you know, it's also look, 500 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: I mean, she's also a journalist and her job was 501 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 2: to hold Scott's feet to the fire. And I think 502 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: she did a pretty good job of that too, And 503 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 2: that's not an easy thing to do necessarily. 504 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: So was she scared because she said something? She was 505 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: walking into a house, and when she walked out of it, 506 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: she was sure he did it. Now you're not carrying 507 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: I assume, and you're a journalist going to someone's house, right, 508 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: you're going to I mean, that's I don't know that 509 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: I could pull that off. She's walking straight in to 510 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: this person that that you know, could have murdered his 511 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: wife an unborn child. That's pretty ballsy. 512 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 2: She's she's incredibly good at her job, and she clearly 513 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 2: watch a firecracker. 514 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 515 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: I think maybe she thought about it, but I think 516 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: she probably thought about it more after the interview was finished. 517 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: Like you go in and you're like, I want to 518 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 2: get the truth, and then you walk out and you're like, 519 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 2: hang on this. 520 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: Guy, holy holy Yeah. Yeah, mommy, So there's a whole 521 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: other part that you focused on and we touched in 522 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: her a but I just couldn't. It was hard to watch. 523 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: But part of it, like when Sharon made the two lists, 524 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: you know, like did he do it? Did he not 525 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: do it? And it came up the list was longer 526 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: that like this, that's like a specific thing that she's 527 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: sharing with us. And those are the kind of moments 528 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 1: that for me felt very just like emotional, you know, 529 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: as to know that that she you know, she was 530 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: willing to talk about that. It just felt very intimate 531 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: and a detail that maybe wasn't important to the you know, 532 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: trajectory of the story, but that made me feel attached 533 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: to her right like in that way. 534 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: And to you know, a mother's anguish to anyone's yes. 535 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: Yes. 536 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: It's such a tiny detail, but to remember it twenty 537 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 2: years later that you made this list those are yes yes, 538 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 2: And that list clearly was something very important to her 539 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: because it brought up all these reasons of like things 540 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: that she had seen in Scott that maybe she should 541 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: have talked to Lacey about, but because she saw lady 542 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: was so in love with him, you know, she didn't 543 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: talk about it. 544 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: And oh when she talked about how she shouldn't, lazy 545 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: said should I get married to my too young? 546 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: M hmm, yeah, I mean the regret, you know, it's 547 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 2: all it's all over the place there, isn't it. And 548 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: she was just like, no, whatever you want, whatever you want. 549 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: I hope not, I hope. I hope she's not living 550 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: in anything. But you know, obviously grief. 551 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's I think it's 552 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: impossible not to live with something, you know. But but 553 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: Sharon lives a happy life. 554 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: Good. Really, I'm glad to hear that. 555 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she's doing well. And with Lacey's friends, like 556 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: they're all a little a little family of their own 557 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: and so they're very very close to this day. 558 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: We saw Lacey's stepfather. I don't know that we saw 559 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: Lacey's father. 560 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: No, he was not in the documentary that. 561 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: He wasn't interested in it. 562 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: No, And her stepfather wasn't in because he's passed. 563 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: Away, got it. But they showed I want to say, 564 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: there were clips of him. Weren't there of her stepfather? Yes? Yeah, yeah, 565 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: pictures of him. 566 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: And right, remember exactly the year that he passed away, 567 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: but it was a few years ago, so he had 568 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: He was there when they were searching for Lacey. He 569 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 2: and Sharon were kind of there in lockstep together. 570 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: And what about her father. 571 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: Her father was up too, and he was, you know, 572 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: he was searching for her. He was very much involved 573 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: with any kind of media presence that they were putting 574 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: out there, and he was very emotional about about her 575 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 2: being gone, but didn't want to participate in the document Yeah. 576 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: So interesting. I mean I hope that it must be. 577 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: I can't imagine being you, first of all, and trying 578 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: to talk to these people and hold your shit together, right, 579 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,239 Speaker 1: And he said it took a couple of years to 580 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: get everyone on board. But I'm so glad you did. 581 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: When they watched it, did they feel good about it? Like, 582 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: did they say to you because it did show it 583 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: from it was about Lacey r and not about Scott. 584 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: I hope they felt great about that. 585 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: I know, Sharon did. I mean I had reached out 586 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: to her, you know, before the show came out. I 587 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 2: was in a lot of contact with her and Anne, 588 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 2: with Lacey's friends, and I said, look, I can you 589 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: don't have to watch it, but it is told her 590 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: when it was coming out, and she ended up watching it. 591 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: They all came together and watched it together, and she 592 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: did say, you know, thank you for making it about 593 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: Lazy because so many times I think people have said 594 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 2: this is going to be about Lacey and have asked 595 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: her to do interviews and she's declined, and then watch 596 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: it whatever show comes out, and it hasn't been so 597 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 2: much about Lacey. So she does feel good about about 598 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: doing the interview and about the approach that we took 599 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 2: and that we really did highlight Lacey as the most 600 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: important element in the film in the. 601 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,959 Speaker 1: Series, even just talking about her wanting the wedding to 602 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: be so perfect, was she just looked like a little 603 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: dull you know, she was so and I don't remember. 604 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: Obviously I remember the story, but I don't remember thinking 605 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: that much about her and what she was like. I 606 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: just remember at the time, like the disbelief, like really 607 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: did this huzz and for what reason? And then the 608 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: well she's not I guess she wasn't a mistress, but 609 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: then the amber of it all and not really taking 610 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: the time to think about this person and her family. So, 611 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I'm so glad that I 612 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: was able to see that, you know, I think it's 613 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: and I'm noticing that now. Well, certainly you're you're a 614 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: big you're a big documentarian. Is that look at me? 615 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: Go right? So when you approach stuff like this, are 616 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: you usually sort of guided by I want to tell 617 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: this story differently or I want to give the audience 618 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: a different perspective. 619 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 2: Definitely, And also just you know, I'm very committed to 620 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 2: victim forward stories. I feel like there's been a lack 621 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: of those. I mean, now now we're getting to a 622 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: point where we're telling stories from victims perspectives a little 623 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: bit more. But that's very important to me. Women. You know, 624 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: any women's issues look and they don't have to be 625 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 2: the heroes of the story. They can be the villains 626 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 2: of the stories. But showing complicated, interesting women is very 627 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: important to me. And really giving giving a voice to 628 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: the voiceless or a different perspective to something that's been 629 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: that's been kind of out there in the same sort 630 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 2: of narrative for quite some time. So all those things 631 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 2: are really important to me. 632 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: That's well well done, because I feel like that's absolutely 633 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. So this is just I'm telling you, 634 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: like you watch this and to our listeners, if you 635 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: haven't watched, you must. But there was some aspects of it, 636 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: and I wonder if they struck you that, like the 637 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: tapes you had the actual voices from Scott and his 638 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,719 Speaker 1: and the brother in law when right talking about Amber 639 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: and that were so chilling, and Lacey's voice, I don't 640 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: think it well wasn't Was it Lazy's actual voice that 641 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: you had she was writing in her journals? No, that 642 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: was an actor, Okay, we in hired an actress, reen actman. Okay. 643 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean it felt like were those her words? 644 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 2: Those were her words? Yeah? And that was her journal 645 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 2: and those were her words. Yeah. 646 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: Wow. I mean when she said, you know, Scott said 647 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be a parent. But you know, 648 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: I think he whatever she said, we'll get used to 649 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: it or something, or he's just not excited right now. Okay, 650 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: So you I guess no one can know this for sure, 651 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: but if anyone knows, maybe you do. So how much 652 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: of this do you think was about the fact that 653 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: he didn't want a kid? And how much? Oh, I'll 654 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: let you into that, and then I have got to 655 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: ask you about something else. 656 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 2: Okay, I think I think a lot of it was. 657 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it's the only it's the only reason I 658 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 2: can come up with, honestly, is that he just felt 659 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 2: such a tie like that having a child with this 660 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 2: woman would be a tie that he couldn't step away 661 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 2: from for whatever reason he came up with. So I 662 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 2: absolutely feel that that that is what sort of prompted 663 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: him to commit this murder. 664 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, even more than Amber. 665 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because I didn't know if he really imagined 666 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 2: himself in a long term relate. I don't think he 667 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 2: wanted to be in a long term relationship. I don't 668 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 2: think he wanted to settle down. I don't think he 669 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 2: wanted to have a family, and so he found himself 670 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 2: in this situation where he was married to this woman 671 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 2: and having a baby, and I don't think he wanted 672 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 2: to be there. 673 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: A lot of men don't. I mean, we've already touched 674 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: on this, but like that's your answer. That is what's 675 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: so hard. It's like, okay, you know, like say what 676 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: what I thought was fascinating also and very upsetting. So 677 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: I had no idea that pregnant women are more likely 678 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: to what are. 679 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 2: The now the number one cause of death for pregnant. 680 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: Women on side? How is that possible? How is that possible? 681 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I'm trying to think of the 682 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: logistics of that. How is that possible? More than complications 683 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: more than it's crazy. 684 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 2: I didn't know that's statistic either, and I was like, 685 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 2: this can't be right. This must be a. 686 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: Statistic, right, That's what I thought. How is that possible? 687 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 2: It's absolutely true. 688 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: It's really good information. Not it's not fun information, but 689 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: good information to have. I think it's important information to have, right, 690 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: Because that was quite astounding to me. 691 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 2: I know, I know me too, and I think it's 692 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 2: one of the driving reasons why we made the documentary. 693 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 2: Why Sharon Roach wanted to be a part of the documentary. 694 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 2: Was to really shed light on that, because that is 695 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 2: just statistic we have never heard before. 696 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 1: I've never heard that before. 697 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 2: I know, you hear how many people are raped, you know, yeah, 698 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 2: or people women who are raped right three now probably. 699 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, is that really true? Oh god? 700 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 2: And it's something like ninety five percent Now people are 701 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 2: from people they know over trust. I mean, so they're 702 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 2: all sorts of crazy statistics out there, but I've never 703 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 2: heard that one before. 704 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was hard to hear. And yeah, 705 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: I had to sit back and think that through a 706 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 1: little bit. I was like, are you sure about that? Yeah, 707 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, there's the thing about this 708 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: whole thing that could keep me up at night and 709 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: I don't know that you can never get the answer 710 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,439 Speaker 1: to it. But is you know, how did how did 711 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: he turn or was he always a psychopath or did 712 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: he turn into one when he felt trapped? And those 713 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: people that that's statistic is that men that feel trapped 714 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: that are that are murdering their their wives. 715 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what I would guess, is that 716 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 2: he just felt trapped, trapped by the whole thing, and 717 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 2: that's what pushed him to do. But yeah, and maybe 718 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 2: it's all the men that feel that way, who kill 719 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 2: their wives, who have their babies. 720 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: I mean, unbelievable. So I know you know this, but 721 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: the uh, the Los Angeles Innocent Project, I believe it's 722 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: called the Innocent Project, right, So they say that there 723 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: is new evidence and I believe it's attached to the 724 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: burglaries maybe, is that correct? 725 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 2: It is correct, yeah, And that they came out publicly 726 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 2: with that right around the time that the film came out, 727 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 2: that they were taking Scott On as a client. I 728 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: think it is important just to put out there that 729 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 2: this is the Los Angeles Innocence. 730 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: Project, right, It's not the it's not the Yes. 731 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so they're just a little smaller, they haven't 732 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 2: been around for quite so long. Not to diminish anything 733 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 2: that they're doing at all, but but it is different 734 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 2: from some of these bigger, high profile cases that they have. 735 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 2: They found the man innocent or the perpetrator, the alleged 736 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 2: perpetrator innocent after spending years and years. 737 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: What was that that they claim there's DNA evidence? Is 738 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: that correct? 739 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 2: So there's there was a van There's a few things 740 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 2: that I don't know if I know it one hundred 741 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 2: percent but there was a van that was found a 742 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 2: mile or less than a mile away from their house 743 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 2: that was burned out, that there was DNA that was 744 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 2: never tested, So they wanted to test that DNA. As 745 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 2: far as I know, and I could be wrong here, 746 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if that DNA. I don't think that 747 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 2: DNA has come back with a positive match to Lacey. 748 00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: I don't think so. 749 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 2: I don't think it has. And so there were there 750 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 2: was that there was. I mean, for a long time, 751 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 2: the Peterson family has has said that there were misrepresentations 752 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 2: in some of these witness testimonies, that there were witnesses 753 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 2: that saw Lacey and the dog walking after Scott had 754 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 2: left the house. We had all those witness testimonies. We 755 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 2: had the mailman testimony that said that the gate was 756 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 2: open right in people and we'd talked to the police 757 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 2: officers and they said, look, yes, people saw a woman 758 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 2: walking a dog. Some people thought she was pregnant, some 759 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 2: people thought it was a lapse, some people thought it 760 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 2: was a German shepherd. Like there was never anybody who 761 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 2: knew Lacy Peterson, knew the dog and without a doubt 762 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 2: said we saw Lacy Peterson walking this dog after Scott 763 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 2: had left for his work that day. So the sisters 764 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 2: who've been able to find some inconsistencies, we were never able. 765 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,919 Speaker 1: To find those. How does Scott's sister sister law feel 766 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: about the documentaries? You get backlash from them? Did they 767 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: know that it was going to be really lazy based? 768 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 2: I mean I told them it was going to be 769 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 2: very lazy based initially when I started, you know, I said, look, 770 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell the most truthful story i can. 771 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 2: I'm going to look into Scott and if there's evidence 772 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 2: there that points to his innocence, I'm going to put 773 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 2: that forward. I know that they felt that this was 774 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 2: a story that has been told one hundred times over 775 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 2: and that it's not the real story. Yeah, that their 776 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 2: perspective wasn't wasn't fully sort of put out there, and 777 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 2: I know they feel that way. 778 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: Okay, you're a genius. Geez, what are you working on now? 779 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 2: I'm working on a couple of things. I've got a 780 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 2: show that I just finished. I can't tell you what 781 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 2: it is at this moment in time. 782 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: Come on, It's fine, Okay, it's going. 783 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,280 Speaker 2: To be It's going to be out probably July or August, 784 00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 2: and the three part series. 785 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: On Netflix, and you are like the queen of the genre. 786 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: No I know, and I have my producers are telling 787 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: me I have to rap unfortunately, But I can't tell 788 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: you how much I appreciate your coming on truly, and 789 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: I just I was so touched. I was horrified. I 790 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: was all the things that I guess when you watch 791 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: true crime. But I did feel, if anything, like just 792 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: closer to Lacey. And I'm glad that I I had 793 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: a chance to get to know her right and like 794 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: really get to know her friends. And I love that 795 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: about probably most of all about. 796 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. It all worthwhile. 797 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, good, thank you, thank you, thank you. Come back please, 798 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: I will thank you. Okay, okay, be well,