WEBVTT - What's Wright - Nick Wright reacts to Lakers RECORD sale, LeBron James impact + Thunder-Pacers Game 6 predictions 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:06.120 Welcome in What's Right with Nick Right? Episode three forty one. 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:08.840 This episode of What's Right with Nick Right is presented 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.760 to you by boost Mobile. The Lakers have sold, We 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:18.200 likely get a new champion tonight, more mayhem in the 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.560 WNBA that I actually think is the best thing imaginable 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:28.480 for all parties involved, and a massive development in the 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.280 lives of one of the hosts of this show. We 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.400 will get to all of that on the show. 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Now, I don't know that I really had 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.080 the authorization to do that, but that's what I said. 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.920 And I'm a man that while I bet a lot, 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.480 I've never not paid a bet. And so this is 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:37.720 a little cross promotion if I could, because we the NBA, 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.640 you know, the season could end in thirteen hours, and 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.320 First Things First is at nine hundred and ninety eight thousand, 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:49.200 four hundred and two, so we need sixteen hundred just 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:52.920 under YouTube subscribers on First Things First, or I'm gonna 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.160 be in some trouble. So if you want to cross 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.400 subscribe that at least for the day, that would be 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:02.000 greatly appreciated as well. Tonse, how are you pretty good? 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:03.400 Pop's amazing? How you doing? 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.240 I'm doing well. The first things first, we're gonna get it. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.280 You have the Suite at Home silver plaque from YouTube. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.600 We're gonna get the gold plaque, unless, of course, we 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.760 have to start all the way back from zero, which 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.239 would not be great before we get to straighten the 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.360 voicemail brought to you by Boost Mobile. We do for 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:25.160 new viewers or listeners, We do have an annual tradition 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:30.640 on this show that my guess is Demanse doesn't quite remember, 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.440 but he is featured in. So it is time to 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.280 rehash our yearly challenge a quick update on it. Go 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:41.400 ahead and roll the tape. Much like last year. I 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.280 have a crisp clean, one hundred dollars bill right here. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:51.040 This will become yours if you can name the two 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.040 teams in the Stanley Cup final. 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.240 This is Stanley Cup is a that's that's hockey. 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:02.880 So, Demanse, I did you favor this year? I waited 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:07.559 until it was over, so maybe it has come across 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:08.359 your feed. 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.120 The oilers were in it. 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.959 The oilers that I'm not even gonna make you say 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:20.040 where they're from. The answers Edmonton. They and they played 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.239 and they lost two drum roll. 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.320 Hold on, let me get the espn ap real quick. 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:34.720 No, no, no, I'm gonna was it Panthers last year, 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:36.200 because That's what I'm gonna go with this year. 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:37.040 Was it the Panthers? 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:43.280 Wow, let's go nail it. It was same. What a shock? 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:49.040 You nailed it? Panthers oilers for the second straight year 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.880 in the Stanley Kop A little mini dynasty in Miami. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.280 This is straight the voicemail brought to you by Boost Mobile. 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.400 Noah Lyles calls off his race with Tyreek Hill as 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.920 no Allile has done the impossible, which is make the 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:08.160 American one hundred meter dash gold medalist unlikable. Well done. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:12.680 Noah Lyles and Tommy DeVito and Jackson Dart discussed going 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:16.000 on Love Island. Here's I've never watched a single second 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.839 of Love Island. I do, though, say with some level 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.280 of confidence that if someone if Tommy DeVito came to 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.600 me and was like, what is the single best way 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.559 to maximize my earnings over the next five years, keep 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.920 grinding at the NFL as a third or fourth string quarterback, 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:39.080 or try to get on next season of Love Island 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.440 and see what that parlay's into. I'd say, buddy, put 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:46.160 the football down, throw some tanning oil on, get your 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.680 ass out there on Love Island. That would be my 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:54.800 sincere Deloitte style consulting advice. All right, like rate, subscribe, review, 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.320 do all that demands. You're not in person, So while 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.640 you are reading this question, I am going to sell 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.880 you one hundred dollars because of fair is fair. You 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:06.920 nailed it, and I don't think you cheated. I know 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:12.480 I didn't cheat it. My history is a natural reaction 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.920 of being thrilled that you nailed it. I'm proud of 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.400 you are. Let's go ahead and get started. Uh. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.560 So, the Bus family is selling their majority steak for 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.560 the and the Lakers for a little bit over my 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:28.120 net worth the sale to Dodgers owner Mark Walter. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.719 So that's a team valuation at a record ten billion. 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.040 What do you think? What are your thoughts on this sell? 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:34.239 What does it mean for the Lakers? 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.760 Okay, so this means a ton and where I think 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.680 people are going to be a little confused. Hold on 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:47.400 one second, go ahead and send their next pay one 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.280 hundred bucks fresh in your account. You should get the 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.600 text here any moment. Thanks thanks for. 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:57.000 The panthers and oils, oilers for being consistent you go, 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:58.560 and thank you to. 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.599 Me for not saying, by the way, I need the 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.920 cities they're from, because I don't know if he's even 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.719 nailed that. But it doesn't matter. All right, this is monumental, 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.919 So let me let me kind of do this the 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.200 long way because I think it's the right way. So 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:21.119 doctor Buss bought the Lakers, gosh, almost fifty years ago 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:29.000 and was an unbelievable steward for this franchise. It obviously 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:33.600 already had a history because Wilton Jerry West had been there, 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:41.320 but Doctor Buss ushered in the Showtime era and helped 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:49.679 really ensure the Lakers became the premier franchise in the league. 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:57.520 And during Doctor Buss's tenure, when he was alive, they 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:04.279 basically had no lean years. You went straight from Showtime 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:10.760 into a brief post HIV for Magic, you know valley, 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.520 but you still had Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exell, he 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.960 still had you know, you weren't a laughingstock. Got shack 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:21.760 right into Shaq and Kobe. A brief valley for three 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.960 years with Kobe, but you still had Kobe, and then 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:30.080 right into Kobe Powe and they were, you know, for 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:37.200 forty years, consistently excellent. And then he passed the team 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.920 went down, was passed down to his children, and then 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:48.760 they had the first actual real bad stretch of Lakers basketball, 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.600 the tail end of Kobe's career, the very end post Achilles, 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.600 and then the few years after him when they had 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.600 you know, the number two pick, like three out of 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.160 five years when they couldn't get things right, and then 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:07.200 Lebron came in and saved them. But while that was happening, 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:12.400 there was a lot of inter family fighting, should we sell, 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.040 should we not sell? Who's going to be in charge? 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:20.080 Genie ends up taking over Genie. There's six Bus kids. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.640 The rule was the majority have to agree to a sale. 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.600 You know, a few years ago pre COVID. I believe 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:33.720 some of the bus kids wanted to sell. Genie staved 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.760 them off, and now I don't know if it was unanimous, 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.960 but according to Ramona Shelburne, who knows Genie Bus very well, 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:49.280 she was on board with the sale. And the other 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:55.080 important piece of this that people have to understand. And 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.920 I apologize if people already understand this stuff, but I 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:04.680 would imagine some people they need this background. The Lakers 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:10.560 did spend money on the court, so they were, you know, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.000 over the last decade, I think spent the seventh most 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.000 in luxury tax money of any team. Now you might 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.960 say you're the most valuable franchise, you're in the second 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.480 biggest market. Seventh most is still kind of on the 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.600 thriftier side. And people bring up the fact that they 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:29.520 let Alex Crusoe walk because of finances, But they were 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:34.880 not a spendthrifteam. On the court, they maybe didn't spend 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.959 the way They certainly didn't spend the way the Clippers 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:43.320 have or the Warriors have or the Suns are right now, 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.080 but it should be noted the Clippers and the Sun 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.960 spending that way has not done them any good. So 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:55.559 on the court, they were not cheap. It was everything else. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:10:00.320 It was them low balling ty Lou because they were 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.840 cheap with coaches. It was that they did not have 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:10.120 the scouting department and the analytics departments and the other 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:18.440 things that go along with really making your franchise cutting 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.720 edge and giving you every edge you can have. And 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:26.920 it was because they were cash poor. And I know 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:31.640 that sounds weird, but when it's a it's not that 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:38.520 incredibly dissimilar to what you at times see with the 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:43.040 Dallas Cowboys, which is it's this brand, it's the most 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:49.280 valuable team in the league. However, the ownership group, their 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:54.240 business is the team. And when your business is the 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.600 team as opposed to the team being one of your businesses, 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:02.280 you don't have these incredibly deep pockets to dip into 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.520 at all times. And because of that, and this was 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.560 a big criticism I had had of the Lakers for years. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:14.160 They were run like a family business. It was Genie 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:19.880 Buss and Rob Polenka. Polenka who was there because he 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:24.640 was Kobe was essentially family. Rob was Kobe's guy, so 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:30.200 he gets kind of godfathered in Kurt Rambis, who was 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:36.360 essentially family. Linda Rambis, Kurt's wife, who was one of 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.880 the most influential people in the organization, and that you 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:43.120 know magic before he walked out because he said Rob 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.640 was basically a snake in the grass. That was the 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:53.760 brain trust, and they were not maximizing the advantages they 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.640 have naturally of being the Los Angeles Lakers. It is 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:02.600 actually not that diy similar to what the Los Angeles 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.080 Dodgers had going on when Frank McCourt random Now they 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.040 were better run than the Dodgers and are not comparing 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:15.360 Genie Busts to the mccourts. However, Frank McCourt, particularly post divorce, 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:21.560 was cash broke to a degree. And what happened with 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:28.360 the Dodgers they got bought by this same group that 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:33.000 now just bought the Lakers, and they became a rocket ship. 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:40.199 Now baseball's not basketball. Baseball has no salary cap, baseball, 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.400 you can just buy players. Basketball is not the same. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:48.120 But that's not all. The Dodgers didn't just throw money 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.000 at everything. They hired the best GM in the world, 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:55.360 and Andrew Friedman are president of baseball Operations. They greatly 0:12:55.400 --> 0:13:03.920 improved every aspect of their organization. And so, as crazy 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:10.200 as this sounds, the person the only person involved with 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:16.199 the Lakers who I'm sure saw this news and I'm 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:20.600 sure he knew what was coming and was a little 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:27.520 nervous or non you know, nonplussed about it, was Rob Blinka. 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:36.240 Because this group has shown we value cutting edge front 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:42.959 offices and we are willing to spend on coaches and 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:49.439 gms and team presidents. And so that is the Lakers 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:54.960 already had this built in mega advantage of being the Lakers, 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:59.560 being in LA, being the number one free agent destination, 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.640 all of that. If you then add to it that 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:07.720 they are now going to have as deep pockets as 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:11.440 any team in the league and be as well run 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:16.320 as any team in the league. It is really really 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.320 great news for Laker fans. I think it's great news 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:25.240 for the NBA as a whole. I don't you know, 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.560 if you're a fan of another team, it's a bummer. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:38.040 And I think that one of the you know, evening 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:42.000 of the playing field, so to speak, was that the 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.320 Lakers weren't fully leveraging the fact that they're the Lakers, 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.920 and that they should be they you know, willing to 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.040 spend whatever, and that they should be run by the 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:57.960 smartest people. They should be considered the premier job in 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.600 the NBA. The Lakers head coach should have never Luke 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.760 Walton into Frank Vogel and I listen, Frank Vogel won 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:12.520 a championship. I understand that, into Darvin Ham and and 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:20.840 so that's what, in my opinion, this is. That's why 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:26.680 this matters. And then you get to the ten billion 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.080 dollar number, which by the way, I was on Collins 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.680 Pod last night and I got this wrong. So the 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.320 Celtics just sold for six. I didn't get that wrong. 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.640 And when I saw the Celtics sell for six, they 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.680 don't own their arena and the Lakers sell for ten, 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:50.480 I thought the Lakers owned Staples. They don't. They don't 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:56.680 own the arena. And so the fact that they went 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:05.040 for sixty seven percent more than Boston is jarring. And 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.600 the fact that we have had in a decade, a 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:15.680 progression of when Balmer bought the Clippers, that was twenty fourteen. 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:22.520 The Clippers were good and had stars. They're obviously not 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:26.920 the Lakers, but they are in Los Angeles. People were 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:35.760 shocked that Steve Balmer was willing to pay two billion 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:41.680 dollars for the Los Angeles Clippers. That was eleven years ago. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:51.880 When the Suns went for four, the Hornets went for three, 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.680 the Celtics went for six, and the Lakers go for 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.400 ten billion dollars. 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.200 The cops going, so, why are these teams selling right 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.120 now with the expansion coming, Like, wouldn't it be time 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:07.240 to hold on to your team? 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:08.119 What's going on? 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:12.520 Well, so that's so. So here's the other piece of 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:16.200 it with the expansion. So there is going to be expansion, 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:22.400 and you know it's almost assuredly going to be Seattle 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:27.960 in Vegas, and the expansion fee is probably going to 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:35.520 be six billion dollars six billion, right, So that six 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.639 billion plus six billion is twelve billion. Where is the 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:42.720 expansion fee go? It goes to the thirty other owners. 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.040 It's the basically the tax the new owners have to 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.679 pay because now the pie is not going to be 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.640 split thirty ways. It's going to be split thirty two ways, 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.879 so they have to buy their way into that. So 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.239 what's twelve billion divided by thirty The answer to that 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:03.000 is four hundred million dollars. So every owner when they expand, 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.600 if the expansion would bee is six billion, will get 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:11.160 a check for four hundred million dollars. I understand, demons 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:16.560 your thought on shu. You know, why wouldn't you just 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:21.560 wait until you get that check. Here's my guess. My 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:25.439 guess is that was built into the sale. Like so 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.600 when you see ten billion, is the real value that 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:33.360 was kind of agreed upon nine and a half billion, 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.960 But it's like, hey, do it now and I'll get 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.920 that four hundred million in a year. I'll give that 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:46.119 to you on the front end. So the it would 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:52.280 that four hundred million is a real number, but it's 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:58.200 also amazingly only four percent of this sales price, and 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:02.600 so that's not gonna be the hang up here. I mean, yeah, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:08.119 these numbers are. It's so well. The way our brains 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:14.120 deal with numbers is funny because in a lot of ways, 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:19.959 like if you heard somebody uh like some to at 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:25.080 least for my brain, like seven hundred and ninety five 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:31.160 million dollars feels like when you hear that, like it's 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.840 more than one point two billion, just because like the 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.199 not even though obviously it's it's sixty percent of it, 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.840 at least to me in my head. So, like four 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:45.280 hundred million sounds like obviously a massive amount of money, 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.879 and ten billions sounds like a massive amount of money. 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.200 But when you put in context four hundred million is 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:57.960 you could stack up twenty five different four piles of 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.440 four hundred million, and that would then be ten billion. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:05.480 That's when you really conceptualize what we're talking about here. 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.560 Go ahead with the with your follow. 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.240 Ups, Uh, what does this mean for your boy Lebron? 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:18.080 So not what people think. So I think the initial 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.560 reaction is what does this mean for Lebron, like with 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.960 his future with the Lakers. But he had a good 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:28.680 relationship with the Buses. I'm sure he'll have a good 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.720 relationship with this group. My guess is he already knows 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.040 this group, especially because I mean they already owned twenty 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:42.399 six percent of the team, right, so the they So 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.000 I don't you know whether or not Lebron was going 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.080 to stay with the Lakers for the rest of his career. 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:52.240 I don't think is really impacted by this, especially because 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:56.560 a lot of the different things I'm discussing that the 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:00.600 Lakers can improve upon, they're not like a me quick 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:04.119 fixes or you know, quick changes, and Lebron doesn't have 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:09.120 that much time left. What it oddly means for Lebron 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:16.160 is his ultimate goal of owning that team in Vegas 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:25.640 just got that much harder because this cements like there 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:31.919 may be there would have been a pushback a bit on. 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.919 Wait a minute, the most of franchise has ever sold 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:40.240 for it is six billion dollars, and now that's what 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:45.320 you want, you know, the two new owners or ownership groups, 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.320 it would be probably for the expansion teams to pay 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:52.680 like you can't say so you're saying we are, as 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.120 you know, the most valuable team in the league when 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.359 the Celtics cell for six and then essentially you're gonna 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.520 charge me six to by the Las Vegas team or 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.119 six to buy the Seattle team. But now that's not 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:08.040 the case. Now the most expensive team sold for ten, 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:11.880 So Adam Silver will be able to pitch six as 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:18.400 Hey Bright price the brick's only going up. It's sixty 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.439 percent of what our most valuable team is worth, and 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:29.080 so Lebron's Lebron's got made more money in his career 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:37.240 on and off the court than any American athlete other 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:41.840 than Michael Jordan and maybe Magic because of all the 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:48.920 Magic's businesses, any you know, big time American star athlete. 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:55.200 But just because he's made over a billion doesn't mean 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:58.000 he has anything close to a billion cash. And now 0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:03.000 we're talking about the franchise being six billion. So I 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:07.040 know Lebron has been adamant forever that he wants to 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:10.320 one day be the owner of an NBA team. And listen, 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:14.320 there might be an ownership group. I would imagine there's 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:19.000 an ownership group that would say, hey, you put in 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:23.840 five percent of the six billion. You put in three 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:29.280 hundred million, and you will be the you know, face 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:35.760 of the franchise, lead voice, all of that. But if 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:44.440 you're not the majority financial owner, you're always kind of 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:50.320 at the mercy of the guy or guys who are. 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:56.000 And that's also why this is now the third straight sale. 0:23:56.240 --> 0:24:00.640 Might be yeah, it's the third straight sale that we 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:06.040 have heard. Oh don't worry, the previous owner is gonna stay. 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:09.040 The governor Cuban said he was gonna do it. That 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:13.159 didn't last with Grousbeck with the Celtics said he's gonna 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:17.800 do it. We'll see, And now Jeanie Buss, their statement 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.040 was she's gonna stay on as governor. I don't know 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:27.200 man teams that buy guys groups or guys that buy 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:31.359 teams don't typically do it because they don't want to 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:35.119 run it. And so we'll see there. All right, what 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:35.800 else do we have? 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:38.600 How much do you think the Luca trade played into 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:39.160 the price of. 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:45.280 This None at all, None at all, Like I it 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:52.280 would have mattered. It would have mattered. Demand's a for 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:58.600 a different market, and matet well, maybe a tiny bit, 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:02.080 maybe the fact that the Laker's future is now secure 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:04.600 in theory for the next decade. But they still got 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:06.720 to get Luca resigned. Now, he did send a nice 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:09.600 tweet about this that makes it seem like he's happy 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:18.680 about it, But there is because it's the Lakers. I 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:24.640 don't think it's not the same way that if Luca 0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:29.720 had been traded to Memphis, what that would do for Memphis? 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.080 You know what, Like the the Lakers just have this 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:38.399 inherent value that other teams simply do not have. Uh 0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:41.440 So I don't think it played as big of a 0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:44.720 role as people think. I do think here's the other 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:53.320 piece of it before we move on. I I wonder 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:58.239 how this landed on the desk of a bunch of 0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:03.760 NFL owners where they're like, hold on a second, here 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.240 it like, I'm gonna look it up real quick. What 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:11.040 did the hold on? What did the Commanders sell for? 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:15.399 Was it six billion dollars sales price? I should have 0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:20.919 looked this up before. Yeah, six billion? Okay, if you 0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:23.879 I'm not listen. I don't think Jerry Jones wants to 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:31.480 sell the Dallas Cowboys. But if the Los Angeles Lakers 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:41.360 are worth ten billion dollars, are the Cowboys worth fifteen? Honestly? 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:46.639 Like if the most valuable team in the NFL in 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:52.800 the NBA is worth ten, are when the the Broncos 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:58.560 just sold for four point six five to the Walton 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:08.240 Penner Group, Right, well, that's a bargain. I think if 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:12.720 the Sun, if the Phoenix Suns are worth four, the 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:17.800 Denver Broncos in that league are only worth four six five. 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:30.080 So the NFL is the the dominant league obviously in 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:36.440 this country. And if we now have what is this 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:45.520 eleven figure sales for? Is that right? Eleven figures, yeah, 0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:52.840 nine zeros, uh eleven figure sales for the NBA? Then 0:27:54.200 --> 0:28:02.080 what are the Cowboys worth? What are the Steelers worth? 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:09.080 What are the Niners worth? Like to me, those are 0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:16.040 real questions. What are Mike Kansas City Chiefs worth? Are 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:24.119 the given the NFL versus the NBA? Like how much 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:28.200 bigger of a brand are the Lakers than the Chiefs? 0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:33.560 They're a bigger brand, but the NFL is such a 0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:37.440 bigger business, Like, if the Lakers are worth ten billion, 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:44.120 are the Chiefs worth seven and a half? Maybe? And 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:50.040 so I just I there was a time when and 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:54.360 I talked with Colin about this last night, that it 0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.560 felt like these sports teams would only go up in 0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:05.480 value and were undervel I I wonder if we are 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:14.160 reaching equilibrium where these teams are properly valued the and 0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:20.120 then my favorite like anecdote about how quickly this has moved. 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:23.200 And I understand one is baseball, one is basketball, and 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:28.080 one is Los Angeles, one is Kansas City. But I 0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:33.560 can't get over this. In the year two thousand, so 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:41.719 not the seventies. In the year two thousand, the Kansas 0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:47.920 City Royals sold for ninety six million dollars Wow. Think 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:55.280 about that. It's like think in in I won and 0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.080 so the. 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:01.280 And they're saying there just told me. 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:03.960 I didn't know that the Rays are about to sell 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:08.640 for one point seven billion. The Rays are the Rays 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:12.240 the least valuable team in baseball? What did the A's 0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:14.280 just sell for? I don't know. The A's are probably 0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:18.320 the least valuable, but maybe not now that they're in Vegas. 0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:23.600 But I think the valuations are catching up with reality 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:29.840 at this point. But ten billion dollars is a gobsmacking number. 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:34.920 And one last point, I think the other thing you 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:37.760 do worry is something Simmons has talked about a lot, 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:41.840 and he's smart on the new owner syndrome thing coming 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:45.280 into play. 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What do you think they 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:06.200 need to continue this crazy run and get the Dubs night? 0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:12.920 Listen, I let's talk about Halliburton for a second, Pal, Yeah, 0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.520 because you thought I was too hard on him. 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.880 I mean with him being a game time decision today, 0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.640 then I mean he really must have been feeling something 0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:22.440 the other day when I. 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:27.040 Don't doubt that he was feeling something. He has to play, right. 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:30.560 Yeah, I mean like, if it's a game time decision 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:33.200 and it can be done, sounds like they're on the 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:33.880 fence about it. 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:37.960 And listen, if he goes out there and it's like, oh, 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.840 he can't move or he can't help us, then you 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.400 just put him on the bench. And I end like 0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:48.560 and let McConnell play. And I under people are more 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:56.320 scared understandably about calf injuries than really any other type 0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:59.520 of injuries. And it's because of the Achilles and it's 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:04.480 because we all have KD PTSD, which I understand. But 0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:10.879 here is what I would consider the major major distinction there. 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:17.680 Kevin Durant got injured in the twenty nineteen playoffs on 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:25.480 May eighth and was instantly ruled out for a while 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:32.960 and then came back June tenth. Okay, that is not 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:40.520 this situation. Kevin Durant got hurt in a game, left 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:44.759 the game and then you know, mid third quarter, and 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:50.400 then was just gone, gone for a month. Tyrese Halliburton 0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:55.000 got injured in this game, missed a few minutes, and 0:34:55.040 --> 0:35:01.040 then played another twenty seven So I I've be If 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:06.160 Haliburton plays through something and then suffers a devastating career 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:13.120 altering injury, that is the worst case scenario. It's a nightmare. 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:20.080 Everyone obviously would feel sick about him. I understand that. 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:29.000 But the KDS situation was so drastically different, where he 0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:32.319 suffered an injury that immediately knocked him out not only 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:36.200 of that game, but of the next month of basketball. 0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:40.960 And then when he came back. Yes, he was hitting 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:44.080 jump shots in those eleven minutes, but he was not 0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:48.120 moving anything like himself and wasn't moving laterally in any 0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:54.400 of that stuff. That's not what I saw. I'm obviously 0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:59.480 not a doctor. I would have to. I believe Tyre's 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:08.480 Halliburton gonna play tonight, And to answer Demons's question, to 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:12.719 keep this miracle run alive, he has to play, and 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:17.960 he has to be impactful. Like the Pacers are not 0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:22.400 as good as the Thunder are? Are the Pacers better 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:26.360 than their seed? Yes? Where the Pacers underestimated these playoffs 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:30.879 by many people, myself included, hand up, Yes, are they 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:35.600 as good as the Oklahoma City Thunder this year? Absolutely not, 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:40.040 No matter when how you slice it, where you look 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:43.359 at it, from from it, they're not as good as them. 0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:52.319 Their their path to winning the series involved exactly what 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.319 they had done for the first three and a half 0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:02.240 games of this series, stealing game they had no business winning. 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:08.000 Check in game one, win their home games, check in 0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:11.719 game three, and check through the first three quarters of 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:20.120 game four. What in my opinion, they could not survive 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:26.239 was just like they won one they weren't supposed to 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:30.799 win in game one, they then lost one they weren't 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.640 supposed to lose in game four. Like you can look 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.600 at it and be like, oh, that evened out, Yes 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:40.799 it did, but they're not good enough compared to the 0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:46.120 thunder to survive the lucky games evening out. They needed 0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:50.160 to win the lucky game and not lose the unlucky game. 0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:58.120 And so what is their path tonight? Their path? 0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:03.160 Say it again, fucking Jaylen Williams up. That's just surface level. 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.480 But I think I stop him. 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:09.520 I don't actually think. I think their path is an 0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:13.239 offensive one, not a defensive one, demonte. I think their 0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:20.919 path is that at home. Matherin, who by the way, 0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:23.840 it's his birthday. I didn't know that until you guys 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:28.600 told me. Matherin has one of those eighteen points in 0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:33.759 fourteen minutes types of nights for the first time all series. 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:40.200 Miles Turner plays an A level Miles Turner game. Because 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:44.160 when I was laying out how can the Pacers win 0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:47.840 the series, one of the things I said was, Miles 0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.560 Turner's got to have at least one like, oh shit, 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:56.520 Miles Turner crushed and like Miles Turner this year, I'm 0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:01.400 looking at it right now. Five times twenty five plus 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:08.000 twice scored thirty plus Miles Turner this year, uh, seven 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:12.080 times hit five or more threes in a game, Like 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:16.680 that's he has that in him. I'm now checking his 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:21.719 playoff career high. Miles Turner in the playoffs twice has 0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.279 scored twenty nine points in his career. Miles Turner in 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:29.480 the playoffs five times hit four or more threes in 0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:34.200 his career, including twice this year. That's gotta happen, like 0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:40.200 they This is that absolutely, because I think Halliburton's going 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:41.920 to play and I think he's going to have to 0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:46.239 be effective, but I don't think it's realistic to be like, hey, 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:50.400 remember that thirty point triple double. Was it zero turnover 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.640 game or something close to it? You add against the Knicks, 0:39:56.160 --> 0:40:03.840 excuse me, recreate that. So you're not going to get 0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:08.879 a monster Halliburton game. So what you need is your 0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:13.480 other guys who can get hot to get hot. Because 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:17.759 I also don't think here's the other thing, demonse. I 0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:22.440 don't think they have the ability to just flat shut 0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:26.200 down Jalen Williams or shit. I think you can hope 0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:28.959 they miss shots, you know, like. 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.480 The Williams, I feel I feel like he got a 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:34.080 lot of easy buggets, like somebody has to be glued 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:35.840 to him. There was a lot of easy like transition, 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.400 rotation type of problems. 0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:46.640 That's totally fairer. That's totally fairer. But I guess you 0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:50.600 can ask nies Smith Nie Smith because he is strong 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.520 enough to try to deal with him. The problem is 0:40:55.000 --> 0:41:00.319 like nim Hard's not big enough, all right, and you 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:05.120 really want Nie Smith dealing with Shay like the and 0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:09.000 so this is why the Thunder are great team. They 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.839 they there's just a lot of different ways they can 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:18.120 beat you. And so I so I think that obviously 0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:24.120 they need Halliburton to play well. You can't rely on 0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:28.040 TJ McConnell, you know, giving you whatever he gave you 0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:30.399 eighteen off the bench again, you can rely on him 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:35.160 giving you something. But that was an unbelievable McConnell performance. 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:38.440 The guy I'd be looking at tonight. The two guys 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:44.840 X factors for the Pacers are Matherine and Miles Turner. Like, 0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:52.960 can Mathne and Miles Turner combine? I this is gonna 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:58.520 sound like an insane ask, but for them to win, 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:02.360 I think Mathne and Miles Turner have to combine for 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:09.000 forty five honestly, like like each of them either each 0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:13.400 of them get to twenty or one of them has, 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.520 you know, close to thirty. I think that's what they're 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:18.760 and and by the way. 0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:23.239 Yeah, Jay and all that pass in there as well. 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:27.200 I mean, you got all the pacers to me is 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:31.200 here's the thing. And you respond to this. If we're 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:36.319 talking about the pacers winning, it is a given's gotta 0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:40.399 be excellent. Oh you know what I mean, Like I'm 0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:43.680 just I'm baking that in. That is gonna give you 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:47.680 at least twenty five, like he just has to. But 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:51.880 it's the it's where you're getting the other. You know, 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:56.880 if Ifam gives you thirty, let's say he gives you thirty, 0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:02.040 where are you gonna get the other eighty five points 0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:05.120 you need to win, need one hundred and fifteen. And 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:08.280 I know this sounds like the most surface level simplistic. 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:12.799 You know this isn't the Zach Lopod like the and 0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:15.839 I say that out of respect to Zach. I get that. 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:21.359 But you need one hundred and fifteen points tonight. Yeah, 0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:24.239 every time you scored one eleven you've won. Let's call 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:29.520 it one fifteen. Let's also pencil Pascal Siakamen for thirty. 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:33.800 We got eighty five more points we need. I think 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:39.800 it is irrational to pencil Haliburton in for more than fifteen, 0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:44.839 all right, so let's give him the fifteen. Now we're 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:53.360 at forty five. Nied Smith and Emhard they combine for 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:58.760 twenty five. Now we're at sixty five. We need fifty 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:07.719 more points. You need fifty more points. So McConnell, Turner, Mathern, 0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:14.000 can the three of you get me fifty? Pascal gets 0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:20.080 me thirty. Halliburton's you know fine, Nie Smith and Nimhart 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:26.440 are out there for their defensive contributions. Can Turner, McConnell, 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:32.040 Mathern combine for fifty? That's your path? And then game seven, 0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:37.000 shit happens like that's like the what's the path for 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:41.280 Game seven in Oklahoma City? I don't know, Man, somebody 0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:49.480 get hot and the that's kind of that to me. 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:54.040 Somebody's gonna be off for okay, see what like, somebody's 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.000 not gonna have it. I just feel in the page 0:44:56.320 --> 0:45:00.520 about for tonight, for game tonight, for tonight fro see. 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:02.440 Yeah, I mean it's uh. 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:03.279 Somebody's not gonna happen. 0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:05.279 I mean, well, let's talk about the well, we'll talk 0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:07.279 about the Okac piece of this in a minute. I 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:09.040 know you have one follow up on the Pacers. 0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.160 If they lose this game, is this the end for 0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.040 the Pacers or is this just the beginning? 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:23.360 I mean, end is too strong. 0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:29.480 But I'm gonna say they're not gonna make it this 0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:32.120 far for a while again or something like that. 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:38.280 Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say. I don't Yeah, I mean, 0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:45.200 the Pacers have been impressive. They have held their own 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.080 that more than held their own in this series, you know, 0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:51.799 more than held their own in these playoffs. They've been 0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:54.320 great and they have held their own in this series. 0:45:56.280 --> 0:46:04.320 With that said, part of the legend that Tyrese Haliburton 0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:10.719 has created this series is this guy hit four, hit 0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:15.840 a buzzer beater in every single round of these playoffs, 0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:22.160 hit a buzzer beater in every round of the playoffs. 0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:28.080 He has four for his career. Now shots to tire 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:30.520 or take the lead in the final second or whatever 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:36.280 of a playoff game. The all time record is eight 0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:45.960 by bron so that part of their run is probably 0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:51.600 not year over year sustainable. Now, I do really like 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:56.600 their roster, and I do really like what they are building. 0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:02.759 But the question I think people fairly would ask is 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:09.320 I mean, I just I'm being nicer, and nicer is 0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:15.400 the own word. I'm being more optimistic because I it 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:22.520 feels rotten for the greatest Pacers season we've seen ever, 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:25.200 and that's what this is to be like, yeah, and 0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:32.920 you'll never be back. But gets Man takes a leap, 0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:38.719 Halliburton becomes a slightly more consistent score Like, no, they 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:42.520 have I don't think they are I don't think they're 0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:45.160 going anywhere as far as like, oh, we'll never hear 0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:49.040 from them again. But if I if you were to 0:47:49.080 --> 0:47:54.960 be like, hey, even money, bet even money take either side. 0:47:55.320 --> 0:48:00.120 Do the Pacers in the next five years win the 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:05.160 Eastern Conference again? I would think the smarter money would 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:10.880 be on no that, And so it doesn't. I'm not 0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:13.959 saying they're done, it's over. It's they're not an old 0:48:14.000 --> 0:48:18.720 team all that. But would I take, you know, set 0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:22.080 the over under over the next five years, the rest 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:26.680 of this decade on Pacers Conference championships, after this year 0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:30.799 out a half, I'd probably take the under. 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Three one, they've lost six, they were 0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:54.919 sixty eight. Yeah, so eighty two and twenty if they 0:49:55.200 --> 0:50:00.239 eighty four and twenty, pardon me, they're If they win 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:05.000 the championship, they have the league MVP, and they now 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:09.960 have just from a box checking standpoint, it's like, oh, 0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:14.920 do they have a second legitimate star probably in Jalen Williams. 0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:20.160 They also will become and this will be as far 0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:24.520 as an all time team, something that's important, something people 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:29.160 reference in the future, which is that swarming perimeter defense. 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:37.440 And so do I think that the it's a tricky 0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:46.160 kind of turn of phrase. The there is only one 0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:51.920 team that we look at as an all time team 0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:56.439 that it wasn't part of a bigger run, and that's 0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:59.759 the eighty three six ers where they only won the 0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:03.920 one championship and they added Moses Malone that year, but 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:07.440 it kind of was part of a bigger run because 0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:11.280 the Sixers had made three NBA finals in the years 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:14.560 in the five six years leading up to it, so 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:19.439 it was a bigger run. And then Moses Malone drops in. 0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:23.040 But all of the other all time teams that we 0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:31.160 talk about, the seventeen Warriors, the thirteen heat, the two 0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:37.400 thousand one Lakers, you know, the ninety six Bulls, the 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:42.160 eighty six Celtics, the eighty five Lakers, like those teams 0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:45.880 they won. You know, it was a bigger run that 0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:50.719 they were a part of. So to join those groups, 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:53.600 actually you have to go on a run. What happens 0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:57.040 is teams go on a run and then we say, 0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:01.480 of those during that run, what was their best team. 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:04.839 That's kind we kind of reverse engineer it. But if 0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:10.960 we just talk about every year is totally independent, single 0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:17.399 season in a vacuum, this was I don't know, one 0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:25.239 of the fifteen most dominant seasons in NBA history. I 0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:29.080 don't know if it quite cracks the top ten. That's 0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:32.239 that's where I think I would have it land one 0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:39.399 of the fifteen most dominant years in league history. I'm 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:43.640 not gonna do the you know, go through all of them. 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:47.360 And if we were to just say, since the ABA 0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:52.520 NBA merger. So in the last forty five years, single season, 0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:56.000 it's definitely one of the ten best, one of the 0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:57.920 ten best. It's not one of the five best, but 0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:03.000 it's one of the ten best. And it is. It's 0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:11.720 the best single season champion we've had since the Steph 0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:16.200 kde Warriors. Like, this team is better than last year's Boston. 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:21.000 It's better than the Nuggets, it's better than the twenty 0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:25.799 two Warriors, it's better than the twenty one Bucks, it's 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:30.040 better than the twenty Lakers, it's better than the nineteen Raptors. 0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:34.280 So it's the best team we've had in almost a decade. 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:37.600 And it's one of the fifteen best teams ever, and 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:40.120 it's one of the ten best teams of the modern era, 0:53:40.280 --> 0:53:45.880 so to speak. So that's where I land go ahead. 0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:49.000 If the Pacers win tonight, what type of pressure is 0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:50.840 gonna be on Okay, see in Game seven? 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:59.000 Well, that's a that's a whole other thing. And I 0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:07.240 mean I have been and I either way, we're gonna 0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:12.360 do something of like an emergency show quick show tomorrow. 0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:22.239 I am. I I'm gonna table that question for tomorrow 0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:29.959 because I don't think it's gonna happen. But it obviously 0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:34.600 all of this comes unraveled if not only do you 0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:37.560 not win the championship, but you're up three to two 0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:40.879 in the series and you lose a Game seven at home. 0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:45.160 So that's a you know, that's a whole So all 0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:48.480 of the if the Thunder lose tonight, what's on the 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:52.960 line for game seven? Uh, we can deal with tomorrow 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:56.560 if they lose tonight. 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All right, let's get 0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:18.000 to the other topics of the day before we get 0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:21.640 to the major news in one of our personal lives. 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:24.120 But go ahead, got some juicy stuff here. So your 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:27.400 guy Lebron take a shot at the idea of ring culture. 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:30.680 He said, I don't know why it's discussed so much 0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:32.960 in our sport and why it's the end all, be 0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:33.760 all of everything. 0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:36.319 Do you agree with him? So? 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:42.399 He said a lot, And I agree with some of 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:46.320 what he said, not all of what he said. And 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:57.120 I here is what I truly believe. I truly believe 0:56:58.160 --> 0:57:08.120 that how someone plays in the postseason and in the 0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:17.840 biggest moments should have a massively outsized impact on how 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:23.560 we view them. Okay, I believe that, and I think 0:57:23.600 --> 0:57:33.480 that it is They're across sports but basketball in particular 0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:40.840 because the shorthand of what like where in a team 0:57:41.000 --> 0:57:46.720 context championships matter the most to least to me, is 0:57:47.440 --> 0:57:52.040 directly correlated to, or I guess indirectly correlated to how 0:57:52.040 --> 0:57:54.520 many people are on the team, how many people are 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:57.400 on the field. And the fewer people on the field, 0:57:57.400 --> 0:58:00.120 the fewer people on the team, the more impact one 0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:05.240 person can have. Right. And so basketball because you play 0:58:05.280 --> 0:58:09.360 offense and defense, because the teams only have twelve guys. Really, 0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:12.920 because you play five on five, it's going to have 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:16.680 more of an impact on how you're viewed well your 0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:21.440 team does. Then baseball, when there's nine guys you know, 0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:25.680 batting and a picture all that. Football it's really just 0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:29.520 about the quarterback. The quarterback's the only one that we 0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:34.160 say as an outsized impact on winning, and so you know, 0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:37.880 we judge them according to how they do in the 0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:46.400 biggest moments. So I think that is acutely important. Where 0:58:46.480 --> 0:58:53.240 I think it gets misconstrued to a degree, or where 0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:59.720 it gets warped is what do we do with the 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:09.800 moments where a guy plays unbelievably but his team loses anyway, 0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:16.520 or the moments where a guy plays terribly or poorly 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:22.880 or below his standard, but the team wins anyway. That's 0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:35.440 where ring culture really gets the conversation becomes a frustrating one. 0:59:35.480 --> 0:59:39.240 And by the way, while this is a lot of 0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:43.600 this applies to Lebron, almost none of it applies to Jordan, 0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:49.400 and that is where again fair is fair. You can't 0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:54.240 look at any one of Jordan's six championships and be like, yeah, 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:58.200 but you know he got carried there. No, he was 0:59:58.360 --> 1:00:04.480 consistently ex in those postseasons where they won, and he 1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:10.920 was consistently excellent in all of those finals, with the 1:00:10.960 --> 1:00:16.760 only exception maybe being the final three games against Seattle 1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:20.320 in ninety six, but they were already up three to nothing. 1:00:21.280 --> 1:00:26.680 So some guys it and there. And the flip side 1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:30.400 of that coin is you can't really look at any 1:00:31.360 --> 1:00:37.200 or at least many and maybe any of the James 1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:42.600 Harden seasons and be like, man, he did his part 1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:47.120 that whole postseason, Like maybe there's one in Houston that 1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:49.360 I can think of, but usually it's like, no, he 1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:54.920 didn't come through. So I think Lebron's frustration comes from 1:00:56.360 --> 1:01:02.520 uh number of places, and I think they're legitimate, and 1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:05.320 so I'm going to use him as an example, and 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:11.000 then I'm going to use other guys. So when everyone 1:01:11.200 --> 1:01:16.800 thought we were going to get Lebron Kobe in the 1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:22.400 NBA finals, when the Lakers got pal and the Calves 1:01:22.440 --> 1:01:26.360 were really good, and the Calves had been to an 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:33.280 NBA finals in seven, Lebron James played in a conference 1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:42.000 finals against the Orlando Magic where he averaged thirty nine, 1:01:42.320 --> 1:01:47.720 eight and eight. That was that was, Those were his averages. 1:01:48.200 --> 1:01:52.800 Some people consider it to be the best series he 1:01:52.920 --> 1:01:56.240 ever played. He hit a buzzer beater to win I 1:01:56.280 --> 1:02:00.000 think Game two of that series. From three, he played 1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:04.760 forty four minutes a night, averaged thirty nine points, eight rebounds, 1:02:04.760 --> 1:02:12.760 eight assists. They lost in six games. So was was 1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:16.280 that a Lebron James moment or was that a Cleveland 1:02:16.320 --> 1:02:23.040 Cavalier moment? And then to really crystallize what I think, 1:02:23.520 --> 1:02:25.800 And this is the simplest way I can put it. 1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:31.200 And I'm curious, like, demand's a your reaction to this 1:02:31.440 --> 1:02:36.560 kind of thought exercise on rings and Lebron because the 1:02:36.680 --> 1:02:39.560 Lebron rings stuff, it's really a Lebron Jordan thing and 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:41.480 all of it, right, Like that's really what a lot 1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:49.200 of this comes down to. Does should not. Does Should 1:02:51.040 --> 1:03:00.000 Kevin Durant's life choices have any impact on who is 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:06.440 a better basketball player between Michael Jordan and Lebron James, 1:03:07.800 --> 1:03:12.280 Like in from a logical perspective, should it should? Like, 1:03:12.360 --> 1:03:16.600 if we are debating who is better Michael Jordan or 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:22.520 Lebron James, should we weigh into it the choices made 1:03:22.600 --> 1:03:25.480 by Kevin Durant? Like does that even make sense? 1:03:26.840 --> 1:03:31.880 I mean, I understand how somebody would make that argument. 1:03:33.120 --> 1:03:39.080 Well in at least in my opinion that it doesn't 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:43.360 even like it. It sounds absurd to even say, like, no, 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:45.720 we're saying who was who was better at basketball? These 1:03:45.720 --> 1:03:50.320 two people? What you know, what a third party decides 1:03:50.360 --> 1:03:53.160 to do with their life should not weigh into. 1:03:52.920 --> 1:03:56.720 It unless it directly. 1:03:56.280 --> 1:04:01.720 But it might. It might be the decide factor. It 1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:09.160 might be oddly, Kevin Durant choosing the Warriors over the 1:04:09.240 --> 1:04:15.760 Celtics might be the reason people think some people think 1:04:15.800 --> 1:04:17.640 Jordan's better than Lebron. What do I mean? What I 1:04:17.680 --> 1:04:25.880 mean is if Katie doesn't go to the Warriors, and 1:04:25.920 --> 1:04:29.320 if Lebron goes back to the Finals after pulling off 1:04:29.360 --> 1:04:32.960 the three to one upset and averages thirty four to 1:04:33.120 --> 1:04:35.920 twelve and ten, which is what he averaged in the 1:04:35.960 --> 1:04:40.840 twenty seventeen finals, and then goes back in twenty eighteen 1:04:41.480 --> 1:04:45.800 and averages thirty four, nine and ten, which is what 1:04:45.840 --> 1:04:50.360 he did in the twenty eighteen finals, and they just win. 1:04:52.080 --> 1:04:54.400 Then I don't think anyone's like, oh, then I think 1:04:54.440 --> 1:04:58.400 the probably the goat debate is over. And so that 1:04:58.680 --> 1:05:02.120 sounds kind of ham handed the way I described it. 1:05:02.520 --> 1:05:04.760 So it's like, Nick, you're acting like something that didn't 1:05:04.760 --> 1:05:07.040 happen did happen, or something that did happen didn't happen. 1:05:07.440 --> 1:05:11.440 I get that. The point I think Lebron is making 1:05:11.600 --> 1:05:19.560 is if I can have a back to back NBA 1:05:19.720 --> 1:05:26.280 Finals where I perform at the highest level I've ever 1:05:26.320 --> 1:05:31.840 performed in my career, and I came through and I 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:37.520 was excellent, should the fact that my team was not 1:05:37.800 --> 1:05:41.400 quite good enough in the context of we were up 1:05:41.440 --> 1:05:45.240 against one of, if not the greatest team of all time. 1:05:45.800 --> 1:05:51.760 Should you then simply go back to the rings piece 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:54.800 of it. When people talk about and and I hate 1:05:54.840 --> 1:05:56.880 that I'm doing this lately, but it's just kind of 1:05:56.880 --> 1:06:00.320 the way it has come up. When people talk about 1:06:00.920 --> 1:06:07.600 Kobe Bryant having five rings should there be the qualifier 1:06:07.680 --> 1:06:11.360 of yes, he does and he's one of the all 1:06:11.400 --> 1:06:16.640 time greats. It also should be noted that he won 1:06:16.760 --> 1:06:23.400 his first ring by playing in a series where he 1:06:23.480 --> 1:06:30.160 averaged fifteen four and four on thirty seven twenty shooting 1:06:30.200 --> 1:06:36.080 splits like does that so like? Is? Is that that's 1:06:36.160 --> 1:06:42.160 where the team accomplishment versus individual accomplishment? To me, you 1:06:42.320 --> 1:06:47.480 have to actually look at it with real nuance to it. 1:06:48.280 --> 1:06:55.720 And I think the other frustrating piece for Lebron personally 1:06:55.840 --> 1:07:01.480 is it simply did not use to be this way. 1:07:02.360 --> 1:07:08.000 And by that what I mean is the original NBA 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:13.919 debate that old heads old old heads will still have 1:07:14.960 --> 1:07:21.160 is Wilt versus Russell, and the ring count there is 1:07:21.320 --> 1:07:28.720 eleven to two. The then biggest debate ever was Bird 1:07:28.920 --> 1:07:35.960 versus Magic, and the ring count there is five to three. 1:07:36.120 --> 1:07:42.400 There are plenty of people Laker fans who think Shack 1:07:42.920 --> 1:07:46.120 was better than Kareem, even though the ring count there 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:52.960 is six to four. When Michael Jordan retired the first time, 1:07:53.880 --> 1:07:58.280 and he had three and Magic had five, and Bird 1:07:58.320 --> 1:08:01.400 had three and Kaream had six and Russell at eleven, 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:06.760 the statue said the greatest there ever was the greatest 1:08:06.800 --> 1:08:11.440 there ever will be, and he was regularly called the 1:08:11.480 --> 1:08:17.120 greatest player of all time before he got one, and 1:08:17.240 --> 1:08:24.400 so it has not always been as simplistic as it 1:08:24.439 --> 1:08:29.439 has been broken down to. Where I disagree with lebron 1:08:30.320 --> 1:08:36.000 is and what I do think is fair is in 1:08:36.080 --> 1:08:43.840 the NBA, assuming you play for a long time, if 1:08:43.880 --> 1:08:50.479 you never win a championship, there is a ceiling onto 1:08:50.720 --> 1:08:54.800 how high up the pyramid you can go, just like 1:08:55.360 --> 1:08:58.360 there is for NFL quarterbacks. But the ceiling is like 1:08:58.479 --> 1:09:00.400 Dan Marino, a lot of people can to in one 1:09:00.400 --> 1:09:03.519 of the five greatest quarterbacks ever. There is like who 1:09:03.680 --> 1:09:06.280 is the greatest player in NBA history without a ring? 1:09:06.840 --> 1:09:09.679 Is it Barkley? Is it Malone? Is it Elgin Baylor? 1:09:09.720 --> 1:09:10.719 Is it James Harden? 1:09:11.080 --> 1:09:11.200 Like? 1:09:11.240 --> 1:09:16.920 Who is it? Whoever it is? It's they are. They're 1:09:17.040 --> 1:09:20.479 outside your top five, they're outside your top ten, They're 1:09:20.520 --> 1:09:25.760 probably outside your top fifteen. I think that's fair that 1:09:27.120 --> 1:09:31.880 you couldn't have just been unlucky for fifteen years if 1:09:31.920 --> 1:09:37.400 you were a legend. But I also think that that 1:09:37.760 --> 1:09:42.920 they're like Barkley is an interesting one because Charles Barkley 1:09:43.080 --> 1:09:51.360 did run into Michael Jordan and three straight postseasons for him. 1:09:51.880 --> 1:09:54.920 He ran into him when he was with the Sixers 1:09:54.920 --> 1:09:57.400 in ninety he ran into him when he was with 1:09:57.479 --> 1:10:00.679 the Sixers in ninety one, and then he ran into 1:10:00.720 --> 1:10:06.800 him in the NBA Finals in ninety three. And there's 1:10:06.880 --> 1:10:12.040 no shame that you couldn't beat prime Michael Jordan. But 1:10:12.320 --> 1:10:19.280 then the next year when you have a fair fight 1:10:19.520 --> 1:10:26.400 against Houston in the when Jordan's gone, and not only 1:10:26.439 --> 1:10:29.040 does it go seven, and you kind of are the 1:10:29.120 --> 1:10:32.960 guy that left your man for the you know, the 1:10:33.080 --> 1:10:35.400 disc Oh, that was a different series when he left 1:10:35.400 --> 1:10:38.120 his man for the three. My apologies, but in that 1:10:38.400 --> 1:10:46.280 series against Houston, your teammate didn't let you down. Kevin Johnson, 1:10:46.960 --> 1:10:50.400 he's really good and you were really good twenty three, 1:10:50.560 --> 1:10:55.679 thirteen and four, but a team was better twenty nine, 1:10:55.960 --> 1:11:00.559 fourteen and five and four blocks a game. Like so 1:11:02.160 --> 1:11:05.479 it's not to me just like we're if you put 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:10.880 a Teme above Barkley, it's not flatly that well a 1:11:11.040 --> 1:11:16.559 Teme has two rings and Barkley as zero. It's that 1:11:17.400 --> 1:11:23.040 in root to both of a Tem's rings, he played 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:31.400 your team with similar quality supporting casts and was considerably 1:11:31.520 --> 1:11:35.360 better than you. And so like that part of it. 1:11:36.360 --> 1:11:40.320 That's the nuance that I think gets lost at times. 1:11:40.880 --> 1:11:47.360 And I think that there are a lot of factors here. 1:11:47.760 --> 1:11:51.280 And so like when Lebron says, don't tell me Iverson 1:11:51.439 --> 1:11:53.679 wasn't a great player or Steve Nash wasn't a great 1:11:53.680 --> 1:11:58.439 player because they didn't win a ring. Nobody is saying 1:11:58.479 --> 1:12:06.600 they weren't great players. But for those guys, what stemied 1:12:06.720 --> 1:12:13.599 them from winning rings often was a greater player not 1:12:13.720 --> 1:12:19.280 only beat them, but outplayed them in a series. And 1:12:22.920 --> 1:12:30.360 where it gets tricky is when you have great players. 1:12:30.600 --> 1:12:34.760 And this is very rare, but it happens great players 1:12:35.520 --> 1:12:40.000 who don't play well in a series, but their team 1:12:40.080 --> 1:12:43.599 wins anyway. And then there is the thing that has 1:12:43.640 --> 1:12:51.080 happened fairly often in NBA history, which is a legendary player, 1:12:52.400 --> 1:12:55.400 the Jerry West corollary, which I'll bring them up for 1:12:55.479 --> 1:13:01.920 the thirtieth straight podcast, that a guy is just all 1:13:02.000 --> 1:13:07.640 time great and consistently is on the short end of 1:13:07.720 --> 1:13:13.240 the stick in a playoff series, even though he individually 1:13:13.880 --> 1:13:20.760 is spectacular when his team is not good enough and 1:13:20.840 --> 1:13:24.559 so and West is probably and I'll leave it at this, 1:13:24.760 --> 1:13:28.080 and we're going way too long. I apologize but whenever 1:13:28.120 --> 1:13:29.880 I have a chance talk Jerry West, I have to 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:36.479 Jerry West. Nineteen sixty two NBA Finals losing seven to Boston, 1:13:36.840 --> 1:13:41.000 he averages thirty one and five. Nineteen sixty three NBA 1:13:41.160 --> 1:13:45.639 Finals loses in six to Boston. He averages thirty and seven. 1:13:46.160 --> 1:13:50.600 Nineteen sixty five NBA Finals, losing five to Boston, he 1:13:50.640 --> 1:13:56.920 averages thirty four and six. Nineteen sixty six NBA Finals 1:13:57.240 --> 1:14:01.000 loses in seven to Boston. He average just thirty four 1:14:01.000 --> 1:14:06.559 and six. Nineteen sixty eight NBA Finals loses in six 1:14:06.680 --> 1:14:11.040 to Boston. He averages thirty one and six. Nineteen sixty 1:14:11.160 --> 1:14:16.720 nine NBA Finals loses in seven to Boston. He averages 1:14:16.960 --> 1:14:24.120 thirty eight, five and seven. Like when if you're Jerry West, 1:14:25.520 --> 1:14:29.040 you're damn right. Those those rings are team accomplishments, and 1:14:29.080 --> 1:14:31.840 the Celtics were an all time great team, and I 1:14:32.000 --> 1:14:36.559 just kept fucking losing to him, and so like that 1:14:36.840 --> 1:14:40.920 is to me now if you looked at it, like 1:14:41.000 --> 1:14:44.320 and I'll look through for West. If there's an instance 1:14:44.400 --> 1:14:49.880 of this, I don't really think there is, but well 1:14:49.960 --> 1:14:58.040 here's one old Jerry West. NBA Finals nineteen seventy three 1:14:59.080 --> 1:15:03.680 loses to the Nick averages twenty one to three. It's like, 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:07.280 oh okay, now he's thirty four, which that time's old. 1:15:07.320 --> 1:15:11.840 But like they were the dif Champs. Part of the problem, right, right, 1:15:12.200 --> 1:15:17.080 he wasn't he wasn't good enough? Right? The issue is 1:15:17.520 --> 1:15:20.960 what about when I'm good enough in every way possible 1:15:21.520 --> 1:15:25.559 and you can't, we can't win. That's the nuance to it. 1:15:25.920 --> 1:15:27.880 All Right, We're gonna have to very quickly do the 1:15:27.920 --> 1:15:30.240 Caitlin Clark thing. I'm gonna be late for work myself 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:31.799 to get to the major news. 1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:34.800 Things are getting spicy in the WNBA. 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:37.960 They were they were trying to be Kayln Clark ub 1:15:38.080 --> 1:15:39.879 scratching her eye got very chippy. 1:15:40.240 --> 1:15:41.200 You always say that. 1:15:41.200 --> 1:15:44.320 People take the wrong stance when this stuff happens. What's 1:15:44.360 --> 1:15:46.760 the correct take on this whole situation going on in 1:15:46.760 --> 1:15:48.559 the Wnbakaitln Clark. 1:15:49.600 --> 1:15:52.840 Listen, here's the very short version, and I should have 1:15:52.920 --> 1:15:55.639 one a longer version of this. This is probably bad 1:15:55.720 --> 1:15:59.839 for our podcast analytics because there is nothing that social 1:16:00.360 --> 1:16:04.080 and algorithms like more than Caitlyn Clark content. And now 1:16:04.080 --> 1:16:06.120 I don't have time for it, So maybe I can 1:16:07.479 --> 1:16:11.639 do it more, you know, tomorrow or next week, probably 1:16:11.640 --> 1:16:14.040 next week we can dig in more. The short version 1:16:14.120 --> 1:16:19.080 is this, this is all going according to plan. This 1:16:19.240 --> 1:16:23.479 is ideal. Caitlyn Clark is holding up her end by 1:16:23.560 --> 1:16:29.439 being awesome and by being a trash talking jerk on 1:16:29.479 --> 1:16:33.000 the court. Love it. Her teammates are holding up their 1:16:33.120 --> 1:16:36.160 end by having her back. The other players in the 1:16:36.200 --> 1:16:40.320 league are holding up their end by not liking her. Perfect. 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:45.040 Couldn't have written a better script. It is great for interest, 1:16:46.200 --> 1:16:50.800 it is great for rivalries. Thank god this one involved 1:16:50.840 --> 1:16:53.400 all white girls, so we didn't have to deal with 1:16:53.439 --> 1:16:56.080 any of the like, oh my goodness, is she being 1:16:56.200 --> 1:16:59.800 targeted by the scary black girls in the NBA? All 1:16:59.800 --> 1:17:05.040 that just horrible racist bullshit. And instead it's like, Nope, 1:17:05.560 --> 1:17:08.840 Caitlyn is talking trash to this girl. This girl's hard 1:17:08.880 --> 1:17:12.760 fouling her. Her teammates, Sophie Cunningham, Missouri's own who got 1:17:12.760 --> 1:17:15.120 a black belt in taekwondo at the age of six. 1:17:15.240 --> 1:17:18.240 I looked it up. That is true. University of Missouri 1:17:18.320 --> 1:17:22.360 verified it. She's like, I will, I will f you 1:17:22.439 --> 1:17:25.920 guys up. All of it's great, and Caitlyn's a killer, 1:17:26.600 --> 1:17:32.480 a killer, and that team can win. That team absolutely, 1:17:32.960 --> 1:17:36.160 She's second league, in points, second league, in assists. You 1:17:36.479 --> 1:17:40.200 want her to have an edge. You want the other 1:17:40.280 --> 1:17:43.759 players to not like her. You want her to walk 1:17:43.800 --> 1:17:48.559 around trash talking, and you like you want people. Here's 1:17:48.600 --> 1:17:54.639 what we need. We need some people to dislike Caitlyn 1:17:54.760 --> 1:17:58.800 Clark because of the basketball and that's gonna come now. 1:18:00.240 --> 1:18:02.800 Like we need people who be like, she talks too 1:18:02.880 --> 1:18:07.720 much trash she you know, she is very dramatic when 1:18:07.720 --> 1:18:13.320 she gets pushed. She also, you know, will kind of 1:18:14.960 --> 1:18:17.920 not kind of she will taunt you and then she 1:18:17.960 --> 1:18:21.519 will hit thirty five footers and scream about it. That's great. 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:25.599 Knows that she's probably untouchable. Like what do you mean, 1:18:26.200 --> 1:18:29.120 I mean she's is she not the best player in 1:18:29.120 --> 1:18:30.280 the WNBA right now? 1:18:30.320 --> 1:18:32.160 Like what do you mean by untouchable? 1:18:32.560 --> 1:18:35.720 Like it's just like she's to know that you are 1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:38.880 that guy or that girl at this time, this early 1:18:39.000 --> 1:18:41.280 in your career, just exactly right. 1:18:42.640 --> 1:18:45.840 Yes, And I don't know. Listen, the FISA Colier might 1:18:45.880 --> 1:18:48.200 be the best player in the league. There's a few 1:18:48.200 --> 1:18:51.639 other people, but she is certainly the shortest of the list, 1:18:52.280 --> 1:18:55.720 and she's certainly one of the definitely one of the 1:18:55.720 --> 1:18:58.000 five best, probably one of the three best and maybe 1:18:58.040 --> 1:19:03.960 the best. And but this the pearl clutching of oh 1:19:04.120 --> 1:19:09.400 that she could have gotten really hurt. It's sports, it's sports. 1:19:11.520 --> 1:19:16.479 She'll be fine, Like, none of these are the The 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:20.680 only thing that happened that can happen in basketball that 1:19:21.040 --> 1:19:27.000 really worries you is somebody like soaring in the air 1:19:27.040 --> 1:19:31.160 and they get undercut. That's not really that big of 1:19:31.200 --> 1:19:34.639 a concern in the WNBA because the game's played beneath 1:19:34.680 --> 1:19:38.200 the rim. I enter like there can be horrific elbows, 1:19:38.240 --> 1:19:41.639 I guess, but that's not really what we're talking about. 1:19:41.960 --> 1:19:46.680 None of this stuff is going to result in major injury, Like, 1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:49.880 what are we talking about? And so nobody needs to 1:19:49.920 --> 1:19:54.240 freak out. It's great for Caitlin, it's great for the league. 1:19:55.000 --> 1:20:01.519 It's you couldn't write a better script. And I'm glad 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:04.920 she's back. I'm glad she's kicking ass. I'm glad she 1:20:05.120 --> 1:20:09.320 is embracing maybe being a bit of a villain. All 1:20:09.400 --> 1:20:13.639 that ten out of ten, No notes, if we could 1:20:14.040 --> 1:20:22.080 maybe possibly get the biggest alleged Caitlin Clark fans and 1:20:22.120 --> 1:20:27.600 the biggest alleged Angel Reese fans who are actually just 1:20:27.760 --> 1:20:32.320 using those two people, as you know, racial proxy wars 1:20:33.439 --> 1:20:38.560 on each other. If we could somehow create a social 1:20:38.640 --> 1:20:42.960 media network and just only let them in and not 1:20:43.080 --> 1:20:45.639 let anyone else in, and just let them argue amongst 1:20:45.680 --> 1:20:50.479 themselves there, that would be great. But aside from that, 1:20:51.320 --> 1:20:54.240 I'm thrilled with it, and it makes the summer way 1:20:54.240 --> 1:20:58.559 more interesting. All right, let me give a little background here, 1:21:01.040 --> 1:21:07.160 So Demonse and I hope this. I hope you take 1:21:07.240 --> 1:21:14.160 this the way I intend it. Demanse probably should have 1:21:14.320 --> 1:21:18.600 is the wrong word. But if you play out Demonse's 1:21:18.640 --> 1:21:21.680 life one hundred times, some of those times he ends 1:21:21.720 --> 1:21:25.360 up being a veterinarian. I believe that like that was 1:21:25.400 --> 1:21:27.880 that was a path that like I think you had 1:21:27.920 --> 1:21:30.599 a real you have such a passion for animals, and 1:21:30.680 --> 1:21:33.400 like we're like as a little kid into it. I 1:21:33.439 --> 1:21:36.280 probably didn't do a good enough job pushing you on it. Also, 1:21:36.880 --> 1:21:40.080 it is a ton of school, and it's really hard, 1:21:40.120 --> 1:21:43.240 Like it's one of the hardest things there is. And 1:21:43.320 --> 1:21:46.559 I always kind of like felt bad or not bad, 1:21:46.600 --> 1:21:51.080 but it's like, ah, like the I again, I'm gonna 1:21:51.080 --> 1:21:53.000 make this a little more dramatic than it needs to. 1:21:53.040 --> 1:21:59.120 But then it's like, uh, you know, I I was 1:21:59.240 --> 1:22:03.599 barely know. I was very young when I became Demand's dad, 1:22:03.720 --> 1:22:06.120 and so I kind of i'd become a better parent 1:22:06.240 --> 1:22:08.160 for I was a better parent for Doora than I 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:09.840 was for you. And I'm probably a better parent for 1:22:09.920 --> 1:22:12.400 Deanna than I was for Doora, because you just learn, 1:22:12.880 --> 1:22:15.240 you know, you learn, and you and you get older 1:22:15.280 --> 1:22:19.000 and you know all of this, right, there is an 1:22:19.040 --> 1:22:21.400 element of it. The oldest kid usually gets away with 1:22:21.479 --> 1:22:26.479 the most, but also as the most we're just guessing 1:22:26.640 --> 1:22:29.840 parenting type of stuff, and so I sometimes look at 1:22:29.840 --> 1:22:33.639 the fact that I'm like, oh, man, like that your 1:22:33.680 --> 1:22:38.000 sister's passions. I really kind of like tried to incubate 1:22:38.760 --> 1:22:42.080 and yours with animals. I didn't do as good of 1:22:42.120 --> 1:22:48.720 a job. But despite that, in my opinion, what is 1:22:48.800 --> 1:22:54.479 really really cool is you found a work around which was, Okay, 1:22:55.200 --> 1:22:59.160 I'm gonna be involved with animals somehow. I've always loved snakes, 1:22:59.760 --> 1:23:03.000 and so I am. You know, you owned a snake 1:23:03.040 --> 1:23:06.080 when we were when we lived in Houston, and then 1:23:06.080 --> 1:23:08.439 when you moved out to La you kind of you 1:23:08.520 --> 1:23:13.439 got into the snake business. And so I will then 1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:16.760 kind of, you know, allow you to take it from here. 1:23:17.439 --> 1:23:21.839 On what the last few years of the snake business 1:23:21.920 --> 1:23:24.439 for you, what it has meant and what it has been. 1:23:24.640 --> 1:23:26.160 And then we get to a big culmination. 1:23:26.240 --> 1:23:30.599 We go ahead. Yeah, I mean it's it's been pretty crazy. 1:23:30.760 --> 1:23:32.559 I probably got a snake before I got a couch 1:23:32.600 --> 1:23:36.599 moving out here, but I got I was trying for 1:23:36.640 --> 1:23:39.200 a while, was breeding these snakes. Seemed like nothing was 1:23:39.240 --> 1:23:41.920 going to come of it. And she was always watching 1:23:41.960 --> 1:23:46.160 the YouTube, studying up on the knowledge, and you know, 1:23:46.560 --> 1:23:48.880 been pairing the male with the female for like the 1:23:48.920 --> 1:23:52.120 last eight months or so, and kept checking the thing. 1:23:52.240 --> 1:23:55.439 She was showing the pregnancy signs, doing all the stuff, 1:23:55.479 --> 1:23:58.040 wrapping on the water bowl, the whole nine and just 1:23:58.080 --> 1:24:00.000 nothing was coming. I didn't even notice really a growth, 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:02.800 couldn't tell their eggs in there. Yesterday, I go up there, 1:24:02.840 --> 1:24:06.000 I open up this thing, open up the takeoff her 1:24:06.000 --> 1:24:09.200 a little her high, and she's wrapped around the eggs. 1:24:09.800 --> 1:24:12.240 I sent it to the What's Right group chat immediately 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:17.360 and called yeah now, and she's very, very upset. As 1:24:17.360 --> 1:24:19.160 soon as she got separated from the eggs, though she 1:24:19.240 --> 1:24:20.880 was she was completely back to normal. 1:24:21.720 --> 1:24:25.200 Honestly, it felt a little bad, but so separate. 1:24:25.240 --> 1:24:29.400 So again, you separated her from the eggs because the 1:24:30.320 --> 1:24:33.040 best way for the eggs survives to put them in incubator. 1:24:33.080 --> 1:24:35.720 It's like a sixty percent chance that she's able to, 1:24:36.160 --> 1:24:39.160 you know, incubate those successfully. It's about ninety percent with 1:24:39.240 --> 1:24:41.519 the incubator. You can just kind of give it better odds. 1:24:42.400 --> 1:24:45.040 And I didn't remove the eggs or the snake from 1:24:45.080 --> 1:24:46.639 the eggs. I actually took them up to the pet 1:24:46.640 --> 1:24:50.479 store that I always go to Alan's Pet Center out there, 1:24:50.520 --> 1:24:51.120 and oh, yeah. 1:24:51.080 --> 1:24:53.080 Let's give them. They've been awesome to you, so let's 1:24:53.080 --> 1:24:55.320 just go ahead unpaid endorsement. 1:24:55.080 --> 1:24:57.600 One hundred percent. They've always been super nice to me. 1:24:57.680 --> 1:24:59.639 I feel like I'm probably one of their more loyal 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:02.120 custom just because the amount of snakes that I have 1:25:02.600 --> 1:25:03.880 and how often it is that I. 1:25:03.840 --> 1:25:06.040 Need to go. But they always hold it down. 1:25:06.080 --> 1:25:08.599 And they came there, they took the snake off the eggs, 1:25:08.960 --> 1:25:11.880 they put the eggs in a bucket, and they personally 1:25:11.880 --> 1:25:12.840 incubated them for me. 1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:15.639 So it was this is Allen's. 1:25:15.880 --> 1:25:18.080 Say the name of the place, it's Allen's. 1:25:17.680 --> 1:25:20.160 With an A though it's a L L A N 1:25:20.240 --> 1:25:24.320 S Pet center. They've got one on Pico and They've 1:25:24.320 --> 1:25:26.560 also got another one located in East l A. 1:25:26.640 --> 1:25:28.160 I always go to the one in Western And. 1:25:28.120 --> 1:25:29.200 Who's the guy who helps you? 1:25:30.920 --> 1:25:37.800 That is Drew. It's Drew, that's his name. Honestly, forget. 1:25:38.080 --> 1:25:39.360 I didn't want. I didn't want to put you on 1:25:39.400 --> 1:25:41.599 the spot because I didn't know if you didn't want 1:25:41.600 --> 1:25:46.400 to say, but uh no, but so but this is 1:25:46.439 --> 1:25:50.280 so can I give a little more background here? So 1:25:51.400 --> 1:25:58.280 this has been like fulfilling but also expensive and frustrating. 1:25:59.240 --> 1:26:05.320 And they're been more than more than a time or 1:26:05.360 --> 1:26:10.880 two where you have wondered should I should I go 1:26:11.360 --> 1:26:14.000 back to, you know, owning one snake that I like 1:26:14.240 --> 1:26:18.760 as a pet, but not you know, but abandoning it, right, 1:26:18.920 --> 1:26:21.080 Like that's fair to say that you're like the because 1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:24.120 the and you're trying to do this, you know, on 1:26:24.160 --> 1:26:28.200 the fly or on your own and so now and 1:26:28.240 --> 1:26:30.959 so and again I don't know. I actually also oddly 1:26:31.040 --> 1:26:33.280 owned a ball python when I was growing up, and 1:26:33.280 --> 1:26:35.360 then you wanted a ball python when you were growing up, 1:26:35.360 --> 1:26:37.400 But we never had talked, like you didn't know that. 1:26:37.400 --> 1:26:39.400 I had had one, and it was it was is crazy. 1:26:39.439 --> 1:26:41.160 I didn't know up until like three years ago. 1:26:41.840 --> 1:26:48.879 But uh, the the special thing is like the different 1:26:49.200 --> 1:26:54.200 morphs are like in theory, we won't see until these 1:26:54.240 --> 1:26:57.200 eggs are born. But in theory you could have some 1:26:57.320 --> 1:27:02.960 really special, one of a kind, one of a kind snakes. 1:27:03.320 --> 1:27:05.800 Yeah, I mixed a three gene snake to a five 1:27:05.840 --> 1:27:08.519 gene snake, So I mean there's just a lot of 1:27:08.640 --> 1:27:12.920 possible combinations. It gets pretty high on high and it 1:27:12.920 --> 1:27:14.760 could be pretty low. But it means just the fact 1:27:14.760 --> 1:27:17.040 that I was able to do it, it is very fulfilling, 1:27:17.160 --> 1:27:19.080 like it worked out. 1:27:18.000 --> 1:27:24.080 I'm gonna I'm now going to maybe embarrass you, but 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:27.719 it's worth it. Demanse told me when he first started this, 1:27:28.720 --> 1:27:30.920 when he actually said, okay, I've got the female or 1:27:30.920 --> 1:27:32.760 I'm getting the male or whatever it was. When you 1:27:32.760 --> 1:27:36.599 were first doing the breathing, you said you were like, 1:27:37.360 --> 1:27:42.759 if this actually happens and one of these snakes gets pregnant, 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:47.280 lays eggs, and the eggs hatch, You're like, I think 1:27:47.320 --> 1:27:50.599 I'll cry. And I thought it was such like a 1:27:50.640 --> 1:27:54.000 cool thing. I know, sorry for embarrassing you. I apologize, 1:27:54.240 --> 1:27:58.439 but it's a cool thing. And here's the other thing, man, like, 1:27:59.360 --> 1:28:01.679 uh and I listen. If people have tuned out orever. 1:28:01.720 --> 1:28:05.200 It's fine. I don't care the but this is, this 1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:07.000 is part of the reason I do this show the 1:28:07.040 --> 1:28:11.000 way we do this show. Because Son's on the West coast, 1:28:11.040 --> 1:28:14.000 I'm on the East coast. He's busy. I'm too busy. 1:28:14.240 --> 1:28:16.400 And so there's like these points of connection, and I 1:28:16.400 --> 1:28:17.559 think the audience gets it. 1:28:19.320 --> 1:28:27.639 But it's so so cool to just teach yourself something 1:28:29.000 --> 1:28:31.599 like you didn't go the school route you went. 1:28:31.720 --> 1:28:34.920 I've got to learn it on my own and through 1:28:35.040 --> 1:28:39.519 trial and error. And listen, we again, this might just 1:28:39.640 --> 1:28:42.519 be one phase of the trial and error, like we'll see, 1:28:42.560 --> 1:28:45.280 but whether there's proutal concept that you can do it 1:28:45.320 --> 1:28:51.960 now and you in theory, and this is also kind 1:28:52.000 --> 1:28:58.080 of where you're supposed to be in my opinion, in 1:28:58.120 --> 1:29:02.760 your mid twenties, you now kind of and this is 1:29:03.080 --> 1:29:07.120 you know, you know allah your mother. You kind of 1:29:07.200 --> 1:29:13.479 now are working three jobs. A Fox job for real, 1:29:13.840 --> 1:29:16.639 your Fox job which pays you. You have the podcast, 1:29:16.680 --> 1:29:20.320 which pays you. And you have your side thing, which 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:25.040 up to this point has just sapped money generated from 1:29:25.080 --> 1:29:28.360 your Fox job in this but now in theory, you 1:29:28.400 --> 1:29:31.479 know what I mean, can be its own sustaining profitable thing, 1:29:31.520 --> 1:29:33.519 and it's something you love, so I think it's great. 1:29:33.760 --> 1:29:36.479 So I wanted to do this for three reasons. One 1:29:36.600 --> 1:29:39.680 is I wanted to celebrate that Demonse had done this. 1:29:39.800 --> 1:29:44.679 The other one is, even though that Demonze didn't ask 1:29:44.840 --> 1:29:47.320 to do this, I know how much those people at 1:29:47.400 --> 1:29:50.280 Alan's Pet Center have you know, been nice to you 1:29:50.320 --> 1:29:52.639 and kind of given you advice or you know, been 1:29:52.680 --> 1:29:54.200 cool to you. So I wanted to give them a 1:29:54.240 --> 1:29:57.320 shout out. They're not given the Demonsig's bought all this stuff. 1:29:57.360 --> 1:29:59.559 This is not giving them free stuff, but they've been 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:01.360 really nice, so I want to give them a shout out. 1:30:01.680 --> 1:30:05.479 And the third reason was this, if there are people 1:30:05.560 --> 1:30:10.640 out there that are actually oddly snake people and you know, 1:30:10.800 --> 1:30:16.400 have pointers or tips or whatever tms on Twitter or 1:30:16.439 --> 1:30:19.760 Open or Instagram or whatever, like, there's got to be 1:30:19.760 --> 1:30:22.639 a few people listening that are like, oh, I oddly 1:30:22.720 --> 1:30:25.519 have a you know, I'm a snake guy too, So 1:30:26.000 --> 1:30:29.920 you know, hit Demon's up. All right, keep me posted 1:30:29.960 --> 1:30:35.920 on this, and uh, keep everyone posted on it. Uh. 1:30:36.200 --> 1:30:39.760 Great job Blue Up, great job Volume, great job DraftKings, 1:30:39.800 --> 1:30:42.880 great job boost Mobile. 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