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Speaker 1: Welcome in What's Right with Nick Right? Episode three forty one.

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Speaker 1: This episode of What's Right with Nick Right is presented

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Speaker 1: to you by boost Mobile. The Lakers have sold, We

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Speaker 1: likely get a new champion tonight, more mayhem in the

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Speaker 1: WNBA that I actually think is the best thing imaginable

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Speaker 1: for all parties involved, and a massive development in the

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Speaker 1: lives of one of the hosts of this show. We

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Speaker 1: will get to all of that on the show. First

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Speaker 1: of all, a reminder to everyone like rate, subscribe, review,

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Speaker 1: Speaking of subscribing to things, I may have put the

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Speaker 1: First Thing's First crew in a bit of a tough

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Speaker 1: spot because we have been on a slow try track

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Speaker 1: to a million, and I was very confident that we

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Speaker 1: were gonna get to the million before the end of

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Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, and so I said and then kept saying,

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Speaker 1: if we don't get to one million before the NBA

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Speaker 1: finals end, then we are shutting the channel down and

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Speaker 1: starting over. Now, I don't know that I really had

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Speaker 1: the authorization to do that, but that's what I said.

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Speaker 1: And I'm a man that while I bet a lot,

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Speaker 1: I've never not paid a bet. And so this is

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Speaker 1: a little cross promotion if I could, because we the NBA,

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Speaker 1: you know, the season could end in thirteen hours, and

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Speaker 1: First Things First is at nine hundred and ninety eight thousand,

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Speaker 1: four hundred and two, so we need sixteen hundred just

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Speaker 1: under YouTube subscribers on First Things First, or I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be in some trouble. So if you want to cross

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Speaker 1: subscribe that at least for the day, that would be

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Speaker 1: greatly appreciated as well. Tonse, how are you pretty good?

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Speaker 2: Pop's amazing? How you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well. The first things first, we're gonna get it.

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Speaker 1: You have the Suite at Home silver plaque from YouTube.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get the gold plaque, unless, of course, we

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Speaker 1: have to start all the way back from zero, which

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Speaker 1: would not be great before we get to straighten the

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Speaker 1: voicemail brought to you by Boost Mobile. We do for

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Speaker 1: new viewers or listeners, We do have an annual tradition

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Speaker 1: on this show that my guess is Demanse doesn't quite remember,

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Speaker 1: but he is featured in. So it is time to

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Speaker 1: rehash our yearly challenge a quick update on it. Go

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Speaker 1: ahead and roll the tape. Much like last year. I

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Speaker 1: have a crisp clean, one hundred dollars bill right here.

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Speaker 1: This will become yours if you can name the two

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Speaker 1: teams in the Stanley Cup final.

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Speaker 2: This is Stanley Cup is a that's that's hockey.

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Speaker 1: So, Demanse, I did you favor this year? I waited

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Speaker 1: until it was over, so maybe it has come across

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Speaker 1: your feed.

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Speaker 2: The oilers were in it.

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Speaker 1: The oilers that I'm not even gonna make you say

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Speaker 1: where they're from. The answers Edmonton. They and they played

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Speaker 1: and they lost two drum roll.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, let me get the espn ap real quick.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm gonna was it Panthers last year,

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Speaker 3: because That's what I'm gonna go with this year.

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Speaker 2: Was it the Panthers?

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Speaker 1: Wow, let's go nail it. It was same. What a shock?

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Speaker 1: You nailed it? Panthers oilers for the second straight year

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Speaker 1: in the Stanley Kop A little mini dynasty in Miami.

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Speaker 1: Noah Lyles calls off his race with Tyreek Hill as

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Speaker 1: no Allile has done the impossible, which is make the

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Speaker 1: American one hundred meter dash gold medalist unlikable. Well done.

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Speaker 1: Noah Lyles and Tommy DeVito and Jackson Dart discussed going

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Speaker 1: on Love Island. Here's I've never watched a single second

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Speaker 1: of Love Island. I do, though, say with some level

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Speaker 1: of confidence that if someone if Tommy DeVito came to

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Speaker 1: me and was like, what is the single best way

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Speaker 1: to maximize my earnings over the next five years, keep

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Speaker 1: grinding at the NFL as a third or fourth string quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and see what that parlay's into. I'd say, buddy, put

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Speaker 1: sincere Deloitte style consulting advice. All right, like rate, subscribe, review,

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Speaker 1: do all that demands. You're not in person, So while

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Speaker 1: you are reading this question, I am going to sell

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Speaker 1: you one hundred dollars because of fair is fair. You

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Speaker 1: nailed it, and I don't think you cheated. I know

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Speaker 1: I didn't cheat it. My history is a natural reaction

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Speaker 1: you are. Let's go ahead and get started. Uh.

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Speaker 3: So, the Bus family is selling their majority steak for

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Speaker 3: the and the Lakers for a little bit over my

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Speaker 3: net worth the sale to Dodgers owner Mark Walter.

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Speaker 2: So that's a team valuation at a record ten billion.

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Speaker 3: What do you think? What are your thoughts on this sell?

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Speaker 3: What does it mean for the Lakers?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this means a ton and where I think

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Speaker 1: people are going to be a little confused. Hold on

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Speaker 1: one second, go ahead and send their next pay one

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Speaker 1: hundred bucks fresh in your account. You should get the

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Speaker 1: text here any moment. Thanks thanks for.

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Speaker 3: The panthers and oils, oilers for being consistent you go,

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Speaker 3: and thank you to.

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Speaker 1: Me for not saying, by the way, I need the

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Speaker 1: nailed that. But it doesn't matter. All right, this is monumental,

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Speaker 1: So let me let me kind of do this the

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Speaker 1: long way because I think it's the right way. So

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Speaker 1: doctor Buss bought the Lakers, gosh, almost fifty years ago

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Speaker 1: and was an unbelievable steward for this franchise. It obviously

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Speaker 1: And during Doctor Buss's tenure, when he was alive, they

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Speaker 1: basically had no lean years. You went straight from Showtime

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Speaker 1: right into Shaq and Kobe. A brief valley for three

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Speaker 1: Lebron came in and saved them. But while that was happening,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of inter family fighting, should we sell,

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Speaker 1: Genie ends up taking over Genie. There's six Bus kids.

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Speaker 1: The rule was the majority have to agree to a sale.

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Speaker 1: You know, a few years ago pre COVID. I believe

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Speaker 1: she was on board with the sale. And the other

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Speaker 1: important piece of this that people have to understand. And

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Speaker 1: I apologize if people already understand this stuff, but I

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Speaker 1: would imagine some people they need this background. The Lakers

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Speaker 1: did spend money on the court, so they were, you know,

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Speaker 1: not a spendthrifteam. On the court, they maybe didn't spend

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Speaker 1: on the court, they were not cheap. It was everything else.

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Speaker 1: They were run like a family business. It was Genie

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Speaker 1: Genie Busts to the mccourts. However, Frank McCourt, particularly post divorce,

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Speaker 1: Now baseball's not basketball. Baseball has no salary cap, baseball,

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Speaker 1: But that's not all. The Dodgers didn't just throw money

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Speaker 1: and Andrew Friedman are president of baseball Operations. They greatly

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Speaker 1: Because this group has shown we value cutting edge front

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Speaker 1: already had this built in mega advantage of being the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: great news for Laker fans. I think it's great news

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Speaker 1: for the NBA as a whole. I don't you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're a fan of another team, it's a bummer.

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Speaker 1: And I think that one of the you know, evening

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Speaker 1: smartest people. They should be considered the premier job in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. The Lakers head coach should have never Luke

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Speaker 1: Walton into Frank Vogel and I listen, Frank Vogel won

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Speaker 1: Hey Bright price the brick's only going up. It's sixty

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Speaker 1: And that's also why this is now the third straight sale.

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Speaker 2: How much do you think the Luca trade played into

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Speaker 1: This None at all, None at all, Like I it

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Speaker 1: All right, demon's eight, let's get to those NBA finals

444
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: and let's get to the Pacers side of things.

445
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: Halliburn, unfortunately, is currently a game time decision with that

446
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: CAF injury he got in the last game Indiana season

447
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: is obviously on the line. What do you think they

448
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: need to continue this crazy run and get the Dubs night?

449
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: Listen, I let's talk about Halliburton for a second, Pal, Yeah,

450
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: because you thought I was too hard on him.

451
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: I mean with him being a game time decision today,

452
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: then I mean he really must have been feeling something

453
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: the other day when I.

454
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: Don't doubt that he was feeling something. He has to play, right.

455
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like, if it's a game time decision

456
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: and it can be done, sounds like they're on the

457
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 3: fence about it.

458
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: And listen, if he goes out there and it's like, oh,

459
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: he can't move or he can't help us, then you

460
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: just put him on the bench. And I end like

461
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: and let McConnell play. And I under people are more

462
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: scared understandably about calf injuries than really any other type

463
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: of injuries. And it's because of the Achilles and it's

464
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: because we all have KD PTSD, which I understand. But

465
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: here is what I would consider the major major distinction there.

466
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant got injured in the twenty nineteen playoffs on

467
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: May eighth and was instantly ruled out for a while

468
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: and then came back June tenth. Okay, that is not

469
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: this situation. Kevin Durant got hurt in a game, left

470
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: the game and then you know, mid third quarter, and

471
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: then was just gone, gone for a month. Tyrese Halliburton

472
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: got injured in this game, missed a few minutes, and

473
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: then played another twenty seven So I I've be If

474
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: Haliburton plays through something and then suffers a devastating career

475
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: altering injury, that is the worst case scenario. It's a nightmare.

476
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: Everyone obviously would feel sick about him. I understand that.

477
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: But the KDS situation was so drastically different, where he

478
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: suffered an injury that immediately knocked him out not only

479
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: of that game, but of the next month of basketball.

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Speaker 1: And then when he came back. Yes, he was hitting

481
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: jump shots in those eleven minutes, but he was not

482
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: moving anything like himself and wasn't moving laterally in any

483
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: of that stuff. That's not what I saw. I'm obviously

484
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: not a doctor. I would have to. I believe Tyre's

485
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: Halliburton gonna play tonight, And to answer Demons's question, to

486
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: keep this miracle run alive, he has to play, and

487
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: he has to be impactful. Like the Pacers are not

488
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: as good as the Thunder are? Are the Pacers better

489
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: than their seed? Yes? Where the Pacers underestimated these playoffs

490
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: by many people, myself included, hand up, Yes, are they

491
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: as good as the Oklahoma City Thunder this year? Absolutely not,

492
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: No matter when how you slice it, where you look

493
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: at it, from from it, they're not as good as them.

494
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: Their their path to winning the series involved exactly what

495
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: they had done for the first three and a half

496
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: games of this series, stealing game they had no business winning.

497
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: Check in game one, win their home games, check in

498
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Speaker 1: game three, and check through the first three quarters of

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Speaker 1: game four. What in my opinion, they could not survive

500
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: was just like they won one they weren't supposed to

501
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: win in game one, they then lost one they weren't

502
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: supposed to lose in game four. Like you can look

503
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: at it and be like, oh, that evened out, Yes

504
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: it did, but they're not good enough compared to the

505
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: thunder to survive the lucky games evening out. They needed

506
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: to win the lucky game and not lose the unlucky game.

507
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: And so what is their path tonight? Their path?

508
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: Say it again, fucking Jaylen Williams up. That's just surface level.

509
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: But I think I stop him.

510
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't actually think. I think their path is an

511
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: offensive one, not a defensive one, demonte. I think their

512
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: path is that at home. Matherin, who by the way,

513
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: it's his birthday. I didn't know that until you guys

514
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: told me. Matherin has one of those eighteen points in

515
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: fourteen minutes types of nights for the first time all series.

516
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: Miles Turner plays an A level Miles Turner game. Because

517
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: when I was laying out how can the Pacers win

518
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: the series, one of the things I said was, Miles

519
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: Turner's got to have at least one like, oh shit,

520
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: Miles Turner crushed and like Miles Turner this year, I'm

521
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: looking at it right now. Five times twenty five plus

522
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: twice scored thirty plus Miles Turner this year, uh, seven

523
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: times hit five or more threes in a game, Like

524
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: that's he has that in him. I'm now checking his

525
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: playoff career high. Miles Turner in the playoffs twice has

526
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: scored twenty nine points in his career. Miles Turner in

527
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: the playoffs five times hit four or more threes in

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00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: his career, including twice this year. That's gotta happen, like

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Speaker 1: they This is that absolutely, because I think Halliburton's going

530
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: to play and I think he's going to have to

531
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: be effective, but I don't think it's realistic to be like, hey,

532
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: remember that thirty point triple double. Was it zero turnover

533
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: game or something close to it? You add against the Knicks,

534
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: excuse me, recreate that. So you're not going to get

535
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Speaker 1: a monster Halliburton game. So what you need is your

536
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Speaker 1: other guys who can get hot to get hot. Because

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Speaker 1: I also don't think here's the other thing, demonse. I

538
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: don't think they have the ability to just flat shut

539
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: down Jalen Williams or shit. I think you can hope

540
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 1: they miss shots, you know, like.

541
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Speaker 3: The Williams, I feel I feel like he got a

542
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 3: lot of easy buggets, like somebody has to be glued

543
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Speaker 3: to him. There was a lot of easy like transition,

544
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Speaker 3: rotation type of problems.

545
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Speaker 1: That's totally fairer. That's totally fairer. But I guess you

546
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: can ask nies Smith Nie Smith because he is strong

547
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: enough to try to deal with him. The problem is

548
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: like nim Hard's not big enough, all right, and you

549
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: really want Nie Smith dealing with Shay like the and

550
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: so this is why the Thunder are great team. They

551
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: they there's just a lot of different ways they can

552
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: beat you. And so I so I think that obviously

553
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: they need Halliburton to play well. You can't rely on

554
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: TJ McConnell, you know, giving you whatever he gave you

555
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: eighteen off the bench again, you can rely on him

556
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: giving you something. But that was an unbelievable McConnell performance.

557
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: The guy I'd be looking at tonight. The two guys

558
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: X factors for the Pacers are Matherine and Miles Turner. Like,

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00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: can Mathne and Miles Turner combine? I this is gonna

560
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: sound like an insane ask, but for them to win,

561
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: I think Mathne and Miles Turner have to combine for

562
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: forty five honestly, like like each of them either each

563
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: of them get to twenty or one of them has,

564
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, close to thirty. I think that's what they're

565
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: and and by the way.

566
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jay and all that pass in there as well.

567
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you got all the pacers to me is

568
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: here's the thing. And you respond to this. If we're

569
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: talking about the pacers winning, it is a given's gotta

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00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: be excellent. Oh you know what I mean, Like I'm

571
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: just I'm baking that in. That is gonna give you

572
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: at least twenty five, like he just has to. But

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00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: it's the it's where you're getting the other. You know,

574
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: if Ifam gives you thirty, let's say he gives you thirty,

575
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: where are you gonna get the other eighty five points

576
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: you need to win, need one hundred and fifteen. And

577
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: I know this sounds like the most surface level simplistic.

578
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: You know this isn't the Zach Lopod like the and

579
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: I say that out of respect to Zach. I get that.

580
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: But you need one hundred and fifteen points tonight. Yeah,

581
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: every time you scored one eleven you've won. Let's call

582
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: it one fifteen. Let's also pencil Pascal Siakamen for thirty.

583
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: We got eighty five more points we need. I think

584
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: it is irrational to pencil Haliburton in for more than fifteen,

585
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: all right, so let's give him the fifteen. Now we're

586
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: at forty five. Nied Smith and Emhard they combine for

587
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 1: twenty five. Now we're at sixty five. We need fifty

588
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: more points. You need fifty more points. So McConnell, Turner, Mathern,

589
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: can the three of you get me fifty? Pascal gets

590
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: me thirty. Halliburton's you know fine, Nie Smith and Nimhart

591
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: are out there for their defensive contributions. Can Turner, McConnell,

592
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: Mathern combine for fifty? That's your path? And then game seven,

593
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: shit happens like that's like the what's the path for

594
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: Game seven in Oklahoma City? I don't know, Man, somebody

595
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: get hot and the that's kind of that to me.

596
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: Somebody's gonna be off for okay, see what like, somebody's

597
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: not gonna have it. I just feel in the page

598
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: about for tonight, for game tonight, for tonight fro see.

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00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's uh.

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00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: Somebody's not gonna happen.

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00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: I mean, well, let's talk about the well, we'll talk

602
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: about the Okac piece of this in a minute. I

603
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: know you have one follow up on the Pacers.

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00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: If they lose this game, is this the end for

605
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: the Pacers or is this just the beginning?

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00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: I mean, end is too strong.

607
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna say they're not gonna make it this

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00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: far for a while again or something like that.

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00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say. I don't Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Pacers have been impressive. They have held their own

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Speaker 1: that more than held their own in this series, you know,

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00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: more than held their own in these playoffs. They've been

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Speaker 1: great and they have held their own in this series.

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Speaker 1: With that said, part of the legend that Tyrese Haliburton

615
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Speaker 1: has created this series is this guy hit four, hit

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Speaker 1: a buzzer beater in every single round of these playoffs,

617
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: hit a buzzer beater in every round of the playoffs.

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00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: He has four for his career. Now shots to tire

619
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Speaker 1: or take the lead in the final second or whatever

620
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: of a playoff game. The all time record is eight

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Speaker 1: by bron so that part of their run is probably

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00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: not year over year sustainable. Now, I do really like

623
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Speaker 1: their roster, and I do really like what they are building.

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Speaker 1: But the question I think people fairly would ask is

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just I'm being nicer, and nicer is

626
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Speaker 1: the own word. I'm being more optimistic because I it

627
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: feels rotten for the greatest Pacers season we've seen ever,

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00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: and that's what this is to be like, yeah, and

629
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Speaker 1: you'll never be back. But gets Man takes a leap,

630
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Speaker 1: Halliburton becomes a slightly more consistent score Like, no, they

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Speaker 1: have I don't think they are I don't think they're

632
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: going anywhere as far as like, oh, we'll never hear

633
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: from them again. But if I if you were to

634
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: be like, hey, even money, bet even money take either side.

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00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: Do the Pacers in the next five years win the

636
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference again? I would think the smarter money would

637
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: be on no that, And so it doesn't. I'm not

638
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 1: saying they're done, it's over. It's they're not an old

639
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: team all that. But would I take, you know, set

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00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: the over under over the next five years, the rest

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00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: of this decade on Pacers Conference championships, after this year

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the thunderside of things, pal All.

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Speaker 3: Right, so a new champion will be crowned either today

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Speaker 3: or Sunday. So let's go through a couple of scenarios. Uh,

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Speaker 3: first bucket, we've got of OKC wins. Do you think

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00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 3: they go down as a as an all time team

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Speaker 3: or if things changed over the years as.

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Speaker 1: Far No, this isn't all like so they they would go,

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Speaker 1: what's the math of eighty two and eighteen? If they no,

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Speaker 1: eighty two and hold on, how many games have you

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Speaker 1: lost these playoffs? Three one, they've lost six, they were

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Speaker 1: sixty eight. Yeah, so eighty two and twenty if they

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Speaker 1: eighty four and twenty, pardon me, they're If they win

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Speaker 1: the championship, they have the league MVP, and they now

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Speaker 1: have just from a box checking standpoint, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: do they have a second legitimate star probably in Jalen Williams.

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Speaker 1: They also will become and this will be as far

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Speaker 1: as an all time team, something that's important, something people

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Speaker 1: reference in the future, which is that swarming perimeter defense.

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Speaker 1: And so do I think that the it's a tricky

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Speaker 1: kind of turn of phrase. The there is only one

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Speaker 1: team that we look at as an all time team

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Speaker 1: that it wasn't part of a bigger run, and that's

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Speaker 1: the eighty three six ers where they only won the

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Speaker 1: one championship and they added Moses Malone that year, but

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Speaker 1: it kind of was part of a bigger run because

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Speaker 1: the Sixers had made three NBA finals in the years

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Speaker 1: in the five six years leading up to it, so

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Speaker 1: it was a bigger run. And then Moses Malone drops in.

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Speaker 1: But all of the other all time teams that we

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Speaker 1: talk about, the seventeen Warriors, the thirteen heat, the two

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Speaker 1: thousand one Lakers, you know, the ninety six Bulls, the

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Speaker 1: eighty six Celtics, the eighty five Lakers, like those teams

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Speaker 1: they won. You know, it was a bigger run that

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Speaker 1: they were a part of. So to join those groups,

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Speaker 1: actually you have to go on a run. What happens

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Speaker 1: is teams go on a run and then we say,

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Speaker 1: of those during that run, what was their best team.

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Speaker 1: That's kind we kind of reverse engineer it. But if

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Speaker 1: we just talk about every year is totally independent, single

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Speaker 1: season in a vacuum, this was I don't know, one

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Speaker 1: of the fifteen most dominant seasons in NBA history. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it quite cracks the top ten. That's

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Speaker 1: that's where I think I would have it land one

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Speaker 1: of the fifteen most dominant years in league history. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna do the you know, go through all of them.

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Speaker 1: And if we were to just say, since the ABA

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Speaker 1: NBA merger. So in the last forty five years, single season,

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Speaker 1: it's definitely one of the ten best, one of the

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Speaker 1: ten best. It's not one of the five best, but

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Speaker 1: it's one of the ten best. And it is. It's

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Speaker 1: the best single season champion we've had since the Steph

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Speaker 1: kde Warriors. Like, this team is better than last year's Boston.

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Speaker 1: It's better than the Nuggets, it's better than the twenty

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Speaker 1: two Warriors, it's better than the twenty one Bucks, it's

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Speaker 1: better than the twenty Lakers, it's better than the nineteen Raptors.

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Speaker 1: So it's the best team we've had in almost a decade.

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Speaker 1: And it's one of the fifteen best teams ever, and

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Speaker 1: it's one of the ten best teams of the modern era,

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Speaker 1: so to speak. So that's where I land go ahead.

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Speaker 3: If the Pacers win tonight, what type of pressure is

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Speaker 3: gonna be on Okay, see in Game seven?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a that's a whole other thing. And I

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Speaker 1: mean I have been and I either way, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do something of like an emergency show quick show tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I am. I I'm gonna table that question for tomorrow

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Speaker 1: because I don't think it's gonna happen. But it obviously

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Speaker 1: all of this comes unraveled if not only do you

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Speaker 1: not win the championship, but you're up three to two

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Speaker 1: in the series and you lose a Game seven at home.

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Speaker 1: So that's a you know, that's a whole So all

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Speaker 1: of the if the Thunder lose tonight, what's on the

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Speaker 1: line for game seven? Uh, we can deal with tomorrow

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Speaker 1: if they lose tonight. But it wasn't better the year

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Speaker 1: for nothing, demonse, and better the year lives?

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Speaker 2: Well, it does live.

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Speaker 1: Well now I needed, I needed a furious fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: to the other topics of the day before we get

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Speaker 3: But go ahead, got some juicy stuff here. So your

751
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 3: guy Lebron take a shot at the idea of ring culture.

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00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: He said, I don't know why it's discussed so much

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Speaker 3: in our sport and why it's the end all, be

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Speaker 3: all of everything.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with him? So?

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Speaker 1: He said a lot, And I agree with some of

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00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: what he said, not all of what he said. And

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00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: I here is what I truly believe. I truly believe

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00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: that how someone plays in the postseason and in the

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00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: biggest moments should have a massively outsized impact on how

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Speaker 1: we view them. Okay, I believe that, and I think

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00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: that it is They're across sports but basketball in particular

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Speaker 1: because the shorthand of what like where in a team

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Speaker 1: context championships matter the most to least to me, is

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Speaker 1: directly correlated to, or I guess indirectly correlated to how

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Speaker 1: many people are on the team, how many people are

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Speaker 1: on the field. And the fewer people on the field,

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Speaker 1: the fewer people on the team, the more impact one

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Speaker 1: person can have. Right. And so basketball because you play

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Speaker 1: offense and defense, because the teams only have twelve guys. Really,

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Speaker 1: because you play five on five, it's going to have

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Speaker 1: more of an impact on how you're viewed well your

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Speaker 1: team does. Then baseball, when there's nine guys you know,

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Speaker 1: batting and a picture all that. Football it's really just

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Speaker 1: about the quarterback. The quarterback's the only one that we

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Speaker 1: say as an outsized impact on winning, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: we judge them according to how they do in the

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Speaker 1: biggest moments. So I think that is acutely important. Where

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Speaker 1: I think it gets misconstrued to a degree, or where

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Speaker 1: it gets warped is what do we do with the

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00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: moments where a guy plays unbelievably but his team loses anyway,

782
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: or the moments where a guy plays terribly or poorly

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00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: or below his standard, but the team wins anyway. That's

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00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: where ring culture really gets the conversation becomes a frustrating one.

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00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: And by the way, while this is a lot of

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Speaker 1: this applies to Lebron, almost none of it applies to Jordan,

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Speaker 1: and that is where again fair is fair. You can't

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Speaker 1: look at any one of Jordan's six championships and be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know he got carried there. No, he was

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Speaker 1: consistently ex in those postseasons where they won, and he

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Speaker 1: was consistently excellent in all of those finals, with the

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Speaker 1: only exception maybe being the final three games against Seattle

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Speaker 1: in ninety six, but they were already up three to nothing.

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Speaker 1: So some guys it and there. And the flip side

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Speaker 1: of that coin is you can't really look at any

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Speaker 1: or at least many and maybe any of the James

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Speaker 1: Harden seasons and be like, man, he did his part

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Speaker 1: that whole postseason, Like maybe there's one in Houston that

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Speaker 1: I can think of, but usually it's like, no, he

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Speaker 1: didn't come through. So I think Lebron's frustration comes from

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Speaker 1: uh number of places, and I think they're legitimate, and

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Speaker 1: so I'm going to use him as an example, and

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Speaker 1: then I'm going to use other guys. So when everyone

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Speaker 1: thought we were going to get Lebron Kobe in the

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Speaker 1: NBA finals, when the Lakers got pal and the Calves

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Speaker 1: were really good, and the Calves had been to an

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Speaker 1: NBA finals in seven, Lebron James played in a conference

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Speaker 1: finals against the Orlando Magic where he averaged thirty nine,

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Speaker 1: eight and eight. That was that was, Those were his averages.

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Speaker 1: Some people consider it to be the best series he

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Speaker 1: ever played. He hit a buzzer beater to win I

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Speaker 1: think Game two of that series. From three, he played

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Speaker 1: forty four minutes a night, averaged thirty nine points, eight rebounds,

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Speaker 1: eight assists. They lost in six games. So was was

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Speaker 1: that a Lebron James moment or was that a Cleveland

816
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Speaker 1: Cavalier moment? And then to really crystallize what I think,

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Speaker 1: And this is the simplest way I can put it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious, like, demand's a your reaction to this

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Speaker 1: kind of thought exercise on rings and Lebron because the

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Speaker 1: Lebron rings stuff, it's really a Lebron Jordan thing and

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Speaker 1: all of it, right, Like that's really what a lot

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Speaker 1: of this comes down to. Does should not. Does Should

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant's life choices have any impact on who is

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Speaker 1: a better basketball player between Michael Jordan and Lebron James,

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Speaker 1: Like in from a logical perspective, should it should? Like,

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Speaker 1: if we are debating who is better Michael Jordan or

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Speaker 1: Lebron James, should we weigh into it the choices made

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Speaker 1: by Kevin Durant? Like does that even make sense?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I understand how somebody would make that argument.

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Speaker 1: Well in at least in my opinion that it doesn't

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Speaker 1: even like it. It sounds absurd to even say, like, no,

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Speaker 1: we're saying who was who was better at basketball? These

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Speaker 1: two people? What you know, what a third party decides

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Speaker 1: to do with their life should not weigh into.

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Speaker 2: It unless it directly.

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Speaker 1: But it might. It might be the decide factor. It

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Speaker 1: might be oddly, Kevin Durant choosing the Warriors over the

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Speaker 1: Celtics might be the reason people think some people think

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Speaker 1: Jordan's better than Lebron. What do I mean? What I

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Speaker 1: mean is if Katie doesn't go to the Warriors, and

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Speaker 1: if Lebron goes back to the Finals after pulling off

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Speaker 1: the three to one upset and averages thirty four to

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Speaker 1: twelve and ten, which is what he averaged in the

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen finals, and then goes back in twenty eighteen

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Speaker 1: and averages thirty four, nine and ten, which is what

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Speaker 1: he did in the twenty eighteen finals, and they just win.

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Speaker 1: Then I don't think anyone's like, oh, then I think

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Speaker 1: the probably the goat debate is over. And so that

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Speaker 1: sounds kind of ham handed the way I described it.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, Nick, you're acting like something that didn't

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Speaker 1: happen did happen, or something that did happen didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: I get that. The point I think Lebron is making

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Speaker 1: is if I can have a back to back NBA

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Speaker 1: Finals where I perform at the highest level I've ever

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Speaker 1: performed in my career, and I came through and I

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Speaker 1: was excellent, should the fact that my team was not

857
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: quite good enough in the context of we were up

858
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: against one of, if not the greatest team of all time.

859
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: Should you then simply go back to the rings piece

860
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: of it. When people talk about and and I hate

861
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: that I'm doing this lately, but it's just kind of

862
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: the way it has come up. When people talk about

863
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant having five rings should there be the qualifier

864
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: of yes, he does and he's one of the all

865
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: time greats. It also should be noted that he won

866
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: his first ring by playing in a series where he

867
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: averaged fifteen four and four on thirty seven twenty shooting

868
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: splits like does that so like? Is? Is that that's

869
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: where the team accomplishment versus individual accomplishment? To me, you

870
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: have to actually look at it with real nuance to it.

871
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: And I think the other frustrating piece for Lebron personally

872
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: is it simply did not use to be this way.

873
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: And by that what I mean is the original NBA

874
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:13,919
Speaker 1: debate that old heads old old heads will still have

875
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: is Wilt versus Russell, and the ring count there is

876
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: eleven to two. The then biggest debate ever was Bird

877
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: versus Magic, and the ring count there is five to three.

878
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: There are plenty of people Laker fans who think Shack

879
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: was better than Kareem, even though the ring count there

880
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: is six to four. When Michael Jordan retired the first time,

881
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: and he had three and Magic had five, and Bird

882
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: had three and Kaream had six and Russell at eleven,

883
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: the statue said the greatest there ever was the greatest

884
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: there ever will be, and he was regularly called the

885
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: greatest player of all time before he got one, and

886
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: so it has not always been as simplistic as it

887
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: has been broken down to. Where I disagree with lebron

888
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: is and what I do think is fair is in

889
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: the NBA, assuming you play for a long time, if

890
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: you never win a championship, there is a ceiling onto

891
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: how high up the pyramid you can go, just like

892
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: there is for NFL quarterbacks. But the ceiling is like

893
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: Dan Marino, a lot of people can to in one

894
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: of the five greatest quarterbacks ever. There is like who

895
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: is the greatest player in NBA history without a ring?

896
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,679
Speaker 1: Is it Barkley? Is it Malone? Is it Elgin Baylor?

897
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:10,719
Speaker 1: Is it James Harden?

898
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 2: Like?

899
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: Who is it? Whoever it is? It's they are. They're

900
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: outside your top five, they're outside your top ten, They're

901
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: probably outside your top fifteen. I think that's fair that

902
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: you couldn't have just been unlucky for fifteen years if

903
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: you were a legend. But I also think that that

904
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: they're like Barkley is an interesting one because Charles Barkley

905
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: did run into Michael Jordan and three straight postseasons for him.

906
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: He ran into him when he was with the Sixers

907
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: in ninety he ran into him when he was with

908
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 1: the Sixers in ninety one, and then he ran into

909
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: him in the NBA Finals in ninety three. And there's

910
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: no shame that you couldn't beat prime Michael Jordan. But

911
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: then the next year when you have a fair fight

912
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: against Houston in the when Jordan's gone, and not only

913
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: does it go seven, and you kind of are the

914
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: guy that left your man for the you know, the

915
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: disc Oh, that was a different series when he left

916
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: his man for the three. My apologies, but in that

917
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: series against Houston, your teammate didn't let you down. Kevin Johnson,

918
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: he's really good and you were really good twenty three,

919
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: thirteen and four, but a team was better twenty nine,

920
01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: fourteen and five and four blocks a game. Like so

921
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: it's not to me just like we're if you put

922
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: a Teme above Barkley, it's not flatly that well a

923
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 1: Teme has two rings and Barkley as zero. It's that

924
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: in root to both of a Tem's rings, he played

925
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: your team with similar quality supporting casts and was considerably

926
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: better than you. And so like that part of it.

927
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: That's the nuance that I think gets lost at times.

928
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: And I think that there are a lot of factors here.

929
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: And so like when Lebron says, don't tell me Iverson

930
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: wasn't a great player or Steve Nash wasn't a great

931
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: player because they didn't win a ring. Nobody is saying

932
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 1: they weren't great players. But for those guys, what stemied

933
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: them from winning rings often was a greater player not

934
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: only beat them, but outplayed them in a series. And

935
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: where it gets tricky is when you have great players.

936
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: And this is very rare, but it happens great players

937
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: who don't play well in a series, but their team

938
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 1: wins anyway. And then there is the thing that has

939
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: happened fairly often in NBA history, which is a legendary player,

940
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: the Jerry West corollary, which I'll bring them up for

941
01:12:55,479 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: the thirtieth straight podcast, that a guy is just all

942
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 1: time great and consistently is on the short end of

943
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: the stick in a playoff series, even though he individually

944
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 1: is spectacular when his team is not good enough and

945
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: so and West is probably and I'll leave it at this,

946
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: and we're going way too long. I apologize but whenever

947
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: I have a chance talk Jerry West, I have to

948
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: Jerry West. Nineteen sixty two NBA Finals losing seven to Boston,

949
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: he averages thirty one and five. Nineteen sixty three NBA

950
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 1: Finals loses in six to Boston. He averages thirty and seven.

951
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty five NBA Finals, losing five to Boston, he

952
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: averages thirty four and six. Nineteen sixty six NBA Finals

953
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: loses in seven to Boston. He average just thirty four

954
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 1: and six. Nineteen sixty eight NBA Finals loses in six

955
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: to Boston. He averages thirty one and six. Nineteen sixty

956
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: nine NBA Finals loses in seven to Boston. He averages

957
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: thirty eight, five and seven. Like when if you're Jerry West,

958
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: you're damn right. Those those rings are team accomplishments, and

959
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: the Celtics were an all time great team, and I

960
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: just kept fucking losing to him, and so like that

961
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: is to me now if you looked at it, like

962
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: and I'll look through for West. If there's an instance

963
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: of this, I don't really think there is, but well

964
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: here's one old Jerry West. NBA Finals nineteen seventy three

965
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: loses to the Nick averages twenty one to three. It's like,

966
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: oh okay, now he's thirty four, which that time's old.

967
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: But like they were the dif Champs. Part of the problem, right, right,

968
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't he wasn't good enough? Right? The issue is

969
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 1: what about when I'm good enough in every way possible

970
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: and you can't, we can't win. That's the nuance to it.

971
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: All Right, We're gonna have to very quickly do the

972
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark thing. I'm gonna be late for work myself

973
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:31,799
Speaker 1: to get to the major news.

974
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 2: Things are getting spicy in the WNBA.

975
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 3: They were they were trying to be Kayln Clark ub

976
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:39,879
Speaker 3: scratching her eye got very chippy.

977
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 2: You always say that.

978
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 3: People take the wrong stance when this stuff happens. What's

979
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 3: the correct take on this whole situation going on in

980
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 3: the Wnbakaitln Clark.

981
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: Listen, here's the very short version, and I should have

982
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: one a longer version of this. This is probably bad

983
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:59,839
Speaker 1: for our podcast analytics because there is nothing that social

984
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: and algorithms like more than Caitlyn Clark content. And now

985
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't have time for it, So maybe I can

986
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: do it more, you know, tomorrow or next week, probably

987
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: next week we can dig in more. The short version

988
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: is this, this is all going according to plan. This

989
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: is ideal. Caitlyn Clark is holding up her end by

990
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: being awesome and by being a trash talking jerk on

991
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: the court. Love it. Her teammates are holding up their

992
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: end by having her back. The other players in the

993
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: league are holding up their end by not liking her. Perfect.

994
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: Couldn't have written a better script. It is great for interest,

995
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: it is great for rivalries. Thank god this one involved

996
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: all white girls, so we didn't have to deal with

997
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: any of the like, oh my goodness, is she being

998
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: targeted by the scary black girls in the NBA? All

999
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: that just horrible racist bullshit. And instead it's like, Nope,

1000
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 1: Caitlyn is talking trash to this girl. This girl's hard

1001
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: fouling her. Her teammates, Sophie Cunningham, Missouri's own who got

1002
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: a black belt in taekwondo at the age of six.

1003
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: I looked it up. That is true. University of Missouri

1004
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: verified it. She's like, I will, I will f you

1005
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: guys up. All of it's great, and Caitlyn's a killer,

1006
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:32,480
Speaker 1: a killer, and that team can win. That team absolutely,

1007
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: She's second league, in points, second league, in assists. You

1008
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: want her to have an edge. You want the other

1009
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 1: players to not like her. You want her to walk

1010
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: around trash talking, and you like you want people. Here's

1011
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 1: what we need. We need some people to dislike Caitlyn

1012
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: Clark because of the basketball and that's gonna come now.

1013
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: Like we need people who be like, she talks too

1014
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 1: much trash she you know, she is very dramatic when

1015
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: she gets pushed. She also, you know, will kind of

1016
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: not kind of she will taunt you and then she

1017
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: will hit thirty five footers and scream about it. That's great.

1018
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 3: Knows that she's probably untouchable. Like what do you mean,

1019
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 3: I mean she's is she not the best player in

1020
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 3: the WNBA right now?

1021
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean by untouchable?

1022
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 3: Like it's just like she's to know that you are

1023
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 3: that guy or that girl at this time, this early

1024
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 3: in your career, just exactly right.

1025
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: Yes, And I don't know. Listen, the FISA Colier might

1026
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: be the best player in the league. There's a few

1027
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 1: other people, but she is certainly the shortest of the list,

1028
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: and she's certainly one of the definitely one of the

1029
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: five best, probably one of the three best and maybe

1030
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: the best. And but this the pearl clutching of oh

1031
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: that she could have gotten really hurt. It's sports, it's sports.

1032
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: She'll be fine, Like, none of these are the The

1033
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 1: only thing that happened that can happen in basketball that

1034
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: really worries you is somebody like soaring in the air

1035
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: and they get undercut. That's not really that big of

1036
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 1: a concern in the WNBA because the game's played beneath

1037
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: the rim. I enter like there can be horrific elbows,

1038
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 1: I guess, but that's not really what we're talking about.

1039
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: None of this stuff is going to result in major injury, Like,

1040
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? And so nobody needs to

1041
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: freak out. It's great for Caitlin, it's great for the league.

1042
01:19:55,000 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: It's you couldn't write a better script. And I'm glad

1043
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: she's back. I'm glad she's kicking ass. I'm glad she

1044
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: is embracing maybe being a bit of a villain. All

1045
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 1: that ten out of ten, No notes, if we could

1046
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: maybe possibly get the biggest alleged Caitlin Clark fans and

1047
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 1: the biggest alleged Angel Reese fans who are actually just

1048
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: using those two people, as you know, racial proxy wars

1049
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:38,560
Speaker 1: on each other. If we could somehow create a social

1050
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: media network and just only let them in and not

1051
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 1: let anyone else in, and just let them argue amongst

1052
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: themselves there, that would be great. But aside from that,

1053
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled with it, and it makes the summer way

1054
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: more interesting. All right, let me give a little background here,

1055
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: So Demonse and I hope this. I hope you take

1056
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: this the way I intend it. Demanse probably should have

1057
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 1: is the wrong word. But if you play out Demonse's

1058
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 1: life one hundred times, some of those times he ends

1059
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: up being a veterinarian. I believe that like that was

1060
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: that was a path that like I think you had

1061
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 1: a real you have such a passion for animals, and

1062
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: like we're like as a little kid into it. I

1063
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: probably didn't do a good enough job pushing you on it. Also,

1064
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: it is a ton of school, and it's really hard,

1065
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: Like it's one of the hardest things there is. And

1066
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: I always kind of like felt bad or not bad,

1067
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: but it's like, ah, like the I again, I'm gonna

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01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: make this a little more dramatic than it needs to.

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01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: But then it's like, uh, you know, I I was

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01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: barely know. I was very young when I became Demand's dad,

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01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: and so I kind of i'd become a better parent

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01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: for I was a better parent for Doora than I

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01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: was for you. And I'm probably a better parent for

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01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: Deanna than I was for Doora, because you just learn,

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01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: you know, you learn, and you and you get older

1076
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: and you know all of this, right, there is an

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01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: element of it. The oldest kid usually gets away with

1078
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: the most, but also as the most we're just guessing

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01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: parenting type of stuff, and so I sometimes look at

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01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm like, oh, man, like that your

1081
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 1: sister's passions. I really kind of like tried to incubate

1082
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: and yours with animals. I didn't do as good of

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01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 1: a job. But despite that, in my opinion, what is

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01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: really really cool is you found a work around which was, Okay,

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01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be involved with animals somehow. I've always loved snakes,

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01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: and so I am. You know, you owned a snake

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01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 1: when we were when we lived in Houston, and then

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01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: when you moved out to La you kind of you

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01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: got into the snake business. And so I will then

1090
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, allow you to take it from here.

1091
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:21,839
Speaker 1: On what the last few years of the snake business

1092
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 1: for you, what it has meant and what it has been.

1093
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: And then we get to a big culmination.

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01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 2: We go ahead. Yeah, I mean it's it's been pretty crazy.

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01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 3: I probably got a snake before I got a couch

1096
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 3: moving out here, but I got I was trying for

1097
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 3: a while, was breeding these snakes. Seemed like nothing was

1098
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 3: going to come of it. And she was always watching

1099
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 3: the YouTube, studying up on the knowledge, and you know,

1100
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 3: been pairing the male with the female for like the

1101
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 3: last eight months or so, and kept checking the thing.

1102
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 3: She was showing the pregnancy signs, doing all the stuff,

1103
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 3: wrapping on the water bowl, the whole nine and just

1104
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 3: nothing was coming. I didn't even notice really a growth,

1105
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 3: couldn't tell their eggs in there. Yesterday, I go up there,

1106
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 3: I open up this thing, open up the takeoff her

1107
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 3: a little her high, and she's wrapped around the eggs.

1108
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 3: I sent it to the What's Right group chat immediately

1109
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 3: and called yeah now, and she's very, very upset. As

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01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 3: soon as she got separated from the eggs, though she

1111
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 3: was she was completely back to normal.

1112
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 2: Honestly, it felt a little bad, but so separate.

1113
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 1: So again, you separated her from the eggs because the

1114
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: best way for the eggs survives to put them in incubator.

1115
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 3: It's like a sixty percent chance that she's able to,

1116
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 3: you know, incubate those successfully. It's about ninety percent with

1117
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 3: the incubator. You can just kind of give it better odds.

1118
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 3: And I didn't remove the eggs or the snake from

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01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:46,639
Speaker 3: the eggs. I actually took them up to the pet

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01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 3: store that I always go to Alan's Pet Center out there,

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01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 3: and oh, yeah.

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01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: Let's give them. They've been awesome to you, so let's

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01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 1: just go ahead unpaid endorsement.

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01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. They've always been super nice to me.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm probably one of their more loyal

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01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 3: custom just because the amount of snakes that I have

1127
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 3: and how often it is that I.

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01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 2: Need to go. But they always hold it down.

1129
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 3: And they came there, they took the snake off the eggs,

1130
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 3: they put the eggs in a bucket, and they personally

1131
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 3: incubated them for me.

1132
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 2: So it was this is Allen's.

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01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 1: Say the name of the place, it's Allen's.

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01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 3: With an A though it's a L L A N

1135
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 3: S Pet center. They've got one on Pico and They've

1136
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,560
Speaker 3: also got another one located in East l A.

1137
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 2: I always go to the one in Western And.

1138
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: Who's the guy who helps you?

1139
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 2: That is Drew. It's Drew, that's his name. Honestly, forget.

1140
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 1: I didn't want. I didn't want to put you on

1141
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 1: the spot because I didn't know if you didn't want

1142
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: to say, but uh no, but so but this is

1143
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: so can I give a little more background here? So

1144
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: this has been like fulfilling but also expensive and frustrating.

1145
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: And they're been more than more than a time or

1146
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: two where you have wondered should I should I go

1147
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: back to, you know, owning one snake that I like

1148
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 1: as a pet, but not you know, but abandoning it, right,

1149
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 1: Like that's fair to say that you're like the because

1150
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: the and you're trying to do this, you know, on

1151
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: the fly or on your own and so now and

1152
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:30,959
Speaker 1: so and again I don't know. I actually also oddly

1153
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: owned a ball python when I was growing up, and

1154
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: then you wanted a ball python when you were growing up,

1155
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 1: But we never had talked, like you didn't know that.

1156
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 3: I had had one, and it was it was is crazy.

1157
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 3: I didn't know up until like three years ago.

1158
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:48,879
Speaker 1: But uh, the the special thing is like the different

1159
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: morphs are like in theory, we won't see until these

1160
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: eggs are born. But in theory you could have some

1161
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: really special, one of a kind, one of a kind snakes.

1162
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mixed a three gene snake to a five

1163
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 3: gene snake, So I mean there's just a lot of

1164
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 3: possible combinations. It gets pretty high on high and it

1165
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 3: could be pretty low. But it means just the fact

1166
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 3: that I was able to do it, it is very fulfilling,

1167
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 3: like it worked out.

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01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm now going to maybe embarrass you, but

1169
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,719
Speaker 1: it's worth it. Demanse told me when he first started this,

1170
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 1: when he actually said, okay, I've got the female or

1171
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm getting the male or whatever it was. When you

1172
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: were first doing the breathing, you said you were like,

1173
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:42,759
Speaker 1: if this actually happens and one of these snakes gets pregnant,

1174
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 1: lays eggs, and the eggs hatch, You're like, I think

1175
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: I'll cry. And I thought it was such like a

1176
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: cool thing. I know, sorry for embarrassing you. I apologize,

1177
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: but it's a cool thing. And here's the other thing, man, like,

1178
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,679
Speaker 1: uh and I listen. If people have tuned out orever.

1179
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: It's fine. I don't care the but this is, this

1180
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 1: is part of the reason I do this show the

1181
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 1: way we do this show. Because Son's on the West coast,

1182
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm on the East coast. He's busy. I'm too busy.

1183
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: And so there's like these points of connection, and I

1184
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 1: think the audience gets it.

1185
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 6: But it's so so cool to just teach yourself something

1186
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 6: like you didn't go the school route you went.

1187
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: I've got to learn it on my own and through

1188
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: trial and error. And listen, we again, this might just

1189
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 1: be one phase of the trial and error, like we'll see,

1190
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: but whether there's proutal concept that you can do it

1191
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 1: now and you in theory, and this is also kind

1192
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 1: of where you're supposed to be in my opinion, in

1193
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 1: your mid twenties, you now kind of and this is

1194
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, you know allah your mother. You kind of

1195
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: now are working three jobs. A Fox job for real,

1196
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 1: your Fox job which pays you. You have the podcast,

1197
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: which pays you. And you have your side thing, which

1198
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 1: up to this point has just sapped money generated from

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01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 1: your Fox job in this but now in theory, you

1200
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 1: know what I mean, can be its own sustaining profitable thing,

1201
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: and it's something you love, so I think it's great.

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01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 1: So I wanted to do this for three reasons. One

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01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 1: is I wanted to celebrate that Demonse had done this.

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01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 1: The other one is, even though that Demonze didn't ask

1205
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: to do this, I know how much those people at

1206
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 1: Alan's Pet Center have you know, been nice to you

1207
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 1: and kind of given you advice or you know, been

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01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: cool to you. So I wanted to give them a

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01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 1: shout out. They're not given the Demonsig's bought all this stuff.

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01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 1: This is not giving them free stuff, but they've been

1211
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: really nice, so I want to give them a shout out.

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01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: And the third reason was this, if there are people

1213
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 1: out there that are actually oddly snake people and you know,

1214
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 1: have pointers or tips or whatever tms on Twitter or

1215
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 1: Open or Instagram or whatever, like, there's got to be

1216
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 1: a few people listening that are like, oh, I oddly

1217
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 1: have a you know, I'm a snake guy too, So

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01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, hit Demon's up. All right, keep me posted

1219
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 1: on this, and uh, keep everyone posted on it. Uh.

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