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Speaker 1: is the Bear Grease Podcast, where we'll explore things forgotten

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Speaker 1: Our ability to make hacurate predictions based on correlations is stunning,

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Speaker 1: You just kind of started doing it on your own.

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Speaker 1: I'm really not better at crow than I am. Well,

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Speaker 1: What would what would have to happen in Ryan Grab's

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Speaker 1: Give me an example, Oh, catch a three pound crappy.

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Speaker 1: organizations like the United Nations. Benjamin works for the Link

427
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: Ladder Center for Voice and Language and the City University

428
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: of New York. I've got a feeling that he's got

429
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: some insight into why humans are so good at mimicking

430
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: animal sounds. Benjamin I am trying to understand why humans

431
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: are so dynamic in our ability to mimic. The only

432
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: animal that I can think of off hand that does

433
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: this as a mocking bird. But are there other examples

434
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: in the animal kingdom of animals that can mimic other sounds?

435
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,479
Speaker 1: There are a lot, But as far as mimicking human

436
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: speech goes, the only other animals that really do that consistently.

437
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: There have been some like strain age things about seals,

438
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: and even an elephant one time that learned how to

439
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: say a few words. But but in the animal kingdom,

440
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: it's birds, it's parrots, parakeets. Probably the the king of

441
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: of imitating our speech are parakeets. They can learn as

442
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: many as four hundred words. Let me ask you this, Benjamin,

443
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: if we're so unique in our ability to mimic other animals,

444
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: what is it from an anatomy and physiology perspective that

445
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: allows a human to make so much variation in our voice,

446
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: um our, larynx, and respiratory system is much more sophisticated

447
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: than any of the other species going. We have a

448
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: big range. Most of us in our daily conversation have

449
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: a couple of octaves of range with a little bit

450
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: of training, every one of us can have something more

451
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: than than four octaves, so we have this big range

452
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: from low in the voice to high end the voice.

453
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, up above vocal cords,

454
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: that tube that comes up from the vocal folds called

455
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: the pharynx. It goes up, goes up behind the mouth,

456
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: goes up through the nose. Uh, there's that obviously comes

457
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: out through the mouth where there's the tongue, that jaw

458
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: on the lips. That whole tube has muscles there that

459
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: not only are good for swallowing food, but also adjust

460
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: the shape of the vibrations as they come up and out.

461
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: All of that has this incredible flexibility. We learn it

462
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: just like the parrots do and the mockingbirds do. We

463
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: learn most of our sounds through imitation and all the

464
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: languages of the world. There's something more than two thousand

465
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: sounds that human beings are able to produce, and every

466
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: one of us that is normally functioning when we're born

467
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: can hear and distinguish all those different sounds. Over a

468
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: period of time, we begin to lose it because it's

469
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: not useful, and the brain begins to streamline itself for

470
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: what is a useful commune occation and what's not? I

471
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: have one final question for it. I know all these

472
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: people that are incredible natural voice callers, why are they

473
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: so good at this? And other people are not. With

474
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: the understanding that all of us are born a little

475
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: bit different. Some vocal cords are longer than the others,

476
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: and the shape of the mouth and stuff is always

477
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: going to be different, the real difference is their interests,

478
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: their passion in the subject um. Almost to everybody can

479
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: develop a huge range in different ways of speaking. We're

480
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: just really flexible that way as a species. And we

481
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: do know that human beings who want to be an

482
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: expert in something, whether it's a professional athlete or an

483
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: artist or a mechanic, what their passion is, and they

484
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: say it takes about ten hours to become an expert

485
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: at something. What their passion is really drives him in

486
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: a couple of different ways. One is that that emotional

487
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: framework allows us to marry our intellect with our physical

488
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: skill sets, so that the skill sets just aren't something

489
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: that the body is doing. There's a real understanding that comes.

490
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: But also with that passion comes an ability to perceive

491
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: and really focus in on the details of a situation.

492
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: Like for these natural callers, they are hearing that turkey

493
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: in a way that even when I would go out

494
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: and try to hunt, I was like, I never I

495
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: know for sure I'm not hearing a turkey the way

496
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: Preston is, for instance, and how attuned he is with

497
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: his ears is like a symphony conductor. So, Benjamin, are

498
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: you familiar with the hoot of a bard owl? I am. Okay,

499
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hoot like a bard owl. Okay, I want

500
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: you to tell me what I could do better if

501
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: you can just in one who here, here's my ol hood.

502
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna step back just a little bit, all right,

503
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: give it a go. Oh okay, that's my wow. That's great.

504
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: Once you go up into that high part, the tongue

505
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: is gonna want to come up, but you're gonna want

506
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: to try to leave that down so that it's more

507
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: resonant coming up through through the front part of your face.

508
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: So try to keep my tongue down, so you're going

509
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: to keep the back that's closer. Yeah, I pushed my

510
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: tongue down. I'm I have to say, I'm impressed going.

511
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting that. That is great. Preston Pittman isn't normal.

512
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: He's one of the best natural voice callers on the

513
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: continent and certainly the most decorated. After meeting him, it's

514
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: clear he must have been raised in a clutch of

515
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: wild turkeys. Anthropomorphism is when we assign animals human like traits.

516
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: Zoo morphism is when we assign a human animal like traits.

517
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: Preston has been zoo morphies, or maybe he's just a

518
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: darned good Mississippi turkey hunter and woodsman. Preston became the

519
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: Mississippi State turkey calling champion when he was sixteen years old.

520
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: Today he's sixties seven years old. He won that first

521
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: calling contest with his natural voice. Since that time, he's

522
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: won the World Turkey Calling Contest, the World Natural Voice

523
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: Turkey Calling Contest, the World Gobbling Turkey Calling Contest, and

524
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: he was the World Champion Natural Voice al Hooter. He

525
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: is the only person to hold five different world titles.

526
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: He was on The David Letterman Show three times and

527
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: The Tonight Show with Jay Lenno colling turkeys. But of

528
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: more note than all these accolades, Preston is probably as

529
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: good a turkey hunter as has ever drawn a breath

530
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: of air. Here's the clip of Preston in his prime.

531
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna tell that called to you. It's not

532
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: for sale or no man money. That's my natural voice.

533
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm Preston Pittman. I've been blessed that I've held the

534
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: world championship several times, the World Natural Voice Calling Championship.

535
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: But let's tell you what. There is nothing in this

536
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: world that sounds is good? Is natural voice calling? Does

537
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: suppressing tell me about when you first started using your

538
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: natural voice for calling? Well, they pick on me a

539
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: little bit. Say uh that when I was hatched on

540
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: November of nineteen fifty three, that when I popped out

541
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: of my mama and the baby doctor grabbed me by

542
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: my hind leg and spanked me on the rear end

543
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: instead of crying, is what come out of my mouth.

544
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, me and from a family that

545
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: always hunted and always fish, I guess I couldn't help

546
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: but hunt. And my dad was not a turkey hunter.

547
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: He was a big dog person. Back whenever we hit

548
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: quail here in the South um and run deer with dogs,

549
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: and we did things together. And they used to have

550
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: an old timy day and a little town by the

551
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: name of Carthridge, Mississippi. And at that Fourth of July,

552
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: which when it was celebration of our great country, they

553
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: had a turkey calling contest, a duck colin kind tests

554
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: and acts throwing contests, and they had the Mississippi State

555
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: UH duck collin the Mississippi State UH Championship in turkey collin.

556
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: Back when I was about twelve, I met a general

557
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: m the name of Jack Dudley, who at that point

558
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: in time was the Mississippi State champion wild turkey caller,

559
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 1: and um, he was good enough just on that day

560
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: to start working with me, kind of tell me what

561
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: to do and how to stretch my local cords, and

562
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: I'll be dead gun. At the end of the day,

563
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: I was. I was making a somewhat of a turkey sound,

564
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: and uh. Kind of the rest of the story is

565
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: I had won the fishing rodeo for kids, and I

566
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: was a year two old, so I had already been

567
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: awarded the plaque, and uh, I had to get the

568
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: black back and that was okay, I understood. Well, I

569
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: just kind of made myself as I I said, one

570
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: day and I'm gonna come back and with me a trophy.

571
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: He up here between something, I'm gonna be able to

572
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: do it. But Mr Dudley would go to some of

573
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: the sportsman's clubs and do a little short seminars. He

574
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: the forty five rpm record that I memorized, you know,

575
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: word for work, and it was on Turkey Column. It

576
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: was on Turkey column. Really are there any of those

577
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: left today? And you know, I know what there was

578
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: one I met in your house. Uh huh and for

579
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: salf uh. And at one point in time, I could

580
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: literally quoted my Hello, my name is Jack Dudley, and

581
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna teach you how to turkey call. The first

582
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: call that I'm gonna teach you is gonna be a

583
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: maiden coll. And this is the way you do a

584
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: maiden coll. You know, three us and two cluck. But

585
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: kind of making a long story short, At sixteen years old,

586
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: I went back to that same contest and I won.

587
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: And we didn't have youth editions back then, you know,

588
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 1: it was a calling contest and very few of those.

589
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: And I want the Misssippi State championship perkey collar. And

590
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: from there it just went on and I own and

591
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: I own, and I on and on Preston, act like

592
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: I've never turkey hunted, and give me a good look

593
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: into the vocalizations of the wild turkey. And again this

594
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: is all just with your natural voice. Okay, well it's

595
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: sixties seven years old. I have stretched my my layers

596
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: next my vocal cords so much till it's like a

597
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: rubber band that you laid up on the dashboard as

598
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: the truck. I can barely up a little bit, cluck

599
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: a little bit, per a little bit, and sometimes gobble.

600
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: So the quality is not there too many people, especially,

601
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it, since podcast and Facebook and

602
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: YouTube and all that junk, they won't learn how to

603
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: kick you run, cackles, lying down on excited hand, the apps, cutting, YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA, yadda. No. No,

604
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: As a beginner, you need to learn one sound and

605
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: one sound only until you can do it exactly the

606
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: way that you want to do it every time. And

607
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: that is the basic hen yep. I will use a

608
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: human analogy with to you. I can take one word

609
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: and have three very total different meanings. I can go hey,

610
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: or I can go hi. All right, I can go

611
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: he and you can do that all basically with a yelp.

612
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like building a house. Build that

613
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: foundation solid, then start adding a call. Then go back

614
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: and do your foundation. It's calm, it's cool, is collective,

615
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: is peaceful, it's tranquility. Come on in, big boy, I

616
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: want to date you. Okay, there can be that's more

617
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: of I'm reaching out. I won't company. Where are you

618
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: an assembly? Call's bring our fault either way. Are speeding

619
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: it up, speeding the rhythm up? Are acting more excited

620
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: day in day out, especially on southern birds. Then I

621
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: don't want unless I know the particular bird or I'm

622
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: just trying to locate one. I will always revert back

623
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: to softer, calmer calling. Let me ask you a question.

624
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: So you you are a natural voice caller, and you're

625
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: also you also do incredible diaphragm calls and all kinds

626
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: of the calls. But I'm interested in your natural voice stuff,

627
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: and I understanding how much of that was practice, how

628
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: much of it was natural? Okay? Even Mr Dudley looked

629
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: at me as his son. He says, you're natural. He said,

630
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: everybody can't do this crap. I'm in hell in there,

631
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm sucking in, which gives you more rasp to our now,

632
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: and it's not like what it used to be. But

633
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: it's almost like me saying the word. I'll get your

634
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: tone working. Describe what's happening in your mouth when you

635
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: make that gobble. I'm sucking air in and I'm mimicking

636
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: the word. Then I get my tongue to flopping up

637
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: and down, and I will use my cheeks, watch my cheeks.

638
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm bringing it in and I'm bringing my my my

639
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: my mouth in to get the tail off of the gobble.

640
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: But anybody and everybody can at least what I call

641
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: squeak something out like they can get a because that's

642
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: all I'm doing now. I mean I've lost it, but yeah,

643
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean you can hear the word out in there.

644
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: I'll take it out. But I'm over exaggerate. Yeah, you

645
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: can get a little something. And let me tell you this.

646
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: Take a group of a hundred turkey hunters anywhere in

647
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: the United stuf eates. I'll bet you there aren't over

648
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: two to five people that can do anything with their

649
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: natural voice. It's something he has not heard. He is

650
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: not used to it. A natural voice collar. As far

651
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: as harvesting a bird, a natural voice collar and or

652
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: either a trumpet our wingbone user will kill some of

653
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: those that you walk up to the limb and you

654
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: hang his spurs upon her. Any swings back and forth.

655
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: And you think natural voice calling gives you an advantage

656
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: in hunting with fan buttser doubts. I mean, I'm I'm

657
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: basically I use a little bit of everything now, but

658
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: my my go to collars a diaphragm, that's first, okay,

659
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of times I'm blowing a diaphragm,

660
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: and just to mix it in, I'm liable to throw

661
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: my voice to make it sound like another hen coming

662
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: in and add that little more realism into it. You

663
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: you told me about adding realism to your calling, said,

664
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: and how you would used to bark like a squirrel

665
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: or you would crow like so you're calling the turkey,

666
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: so there's a gobbler here and you're kendy up and

667
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: but then you might bark like a squirrel. Let me

668
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: tell you what I'm doing it spending and I'm I

669
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: basically kind of kenning in on tough turkeys. Now, okay,

670
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: hard bird birds that's call shy birds has been missed

671
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: with birds are in that four and older your range bracket.

672
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: But I heard everything. Okay. Then they had to the

673
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: kitchen sink drawn at him. Well I'm fitching. Now throw

674
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: the kitchen sink, the como, the basktub, hecked front door

675
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: at him. I tried to paint a picture and buy

676
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: that for y'all turkey hunters out there. What happens whenever

677
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: a crow gets on birds, he starts raising king right

678
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: and looking at the turkey, right at the turkey. How

679
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: many times have you been sitting in the woods and

680
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: have like a little thicket or a blowdown or is

681
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: in between you and your bird? The bird shuts up.

682
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: Five minutes is gone by, Nothing has happened. Ten minutes

683
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: is gone by, nothing has happened. You hadn't heard anything,

684
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: But you didn't notice that little thrush that come flying

685
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: out of that thicket? What made it come flying out?

686
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: And then twelve fourteen minutes later, fifteen minutes later, all

687
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Oh my god, where'd he come from? There?

688
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: He is in full struck. He's been there the whole time.

689
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: So as I tell people, I see with my ears,

690
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: because I see more with my ears than I do

691
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: with my eyes. It's paying attention to the squirrel barking,

692
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: we'll do something moving through the woods, and if you

693
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: will pay attention as to what's going on in mother nature,

694
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: you will automatically step up. Now if you can add

695
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: some of those sounds, like when we used to have

696
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: Bob White quail, that was one of my favorite things

697
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: to do, was to sit there and see if I

698
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: can still do it. I would mix that in with

699
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: my calling quiller trying to get back together, or throw

700
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: a Bob White at it. You know, the Bob White

701
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: whistle mixing in with your turk, mixing in with your

702
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: turkey callings. That means there's other wildlife there at ease.

703
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: So he's gonna think, well, there's quail over there that

704
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: I could learn a redbird. I want to learn a

705
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: redbird so bad it was pathetic. I want to go

706
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: a little bit deeper with you to the kind of

707
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: the thing behind the thing in In Southern culture, it

708
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: means something to be able to call with your natural voice.

709
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: What would if if a guy walked into this camp

710
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: right now and he could al call like a barred owl,

711
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: he could gobble like a turkey with his mouth, what

712
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: would what would that say to you about his woodsmanship,

713
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: his hunting prowess. I can answer that very simply, very shortly.

714
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: I don't want you on my land because that tells

715
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: me that is a person who is dedicated, especially if

716
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: they could do a full range of calls. That tells

717
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: me that that individual is either one a kid or

718
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: that is a seasoned outdoorsman. Like I said, stay all

719
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: my land. I don't want somebody like that in there.

720
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: So the bard owl in Mississippi culture, Yes, where would

721
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: Preston Pittman al hoot? Not in a turkey hunting situation?

722
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: Give me an example of why you would al hoot

723
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: in your life. Oh, I'm telling you that real quick.

724
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: Instead of hooping, hollering, whatever it may be. I think

725
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: probably every contest that I ever won, I did something

726
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: like this right here, and then I gotta lie. Uh

727
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: you let me get in a football game, which I

728
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: don't go to a whole bunch of because I'm in

729
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: the wood hunting. Then uh, I can do that single note,

730
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, like that who I instead hollering and screaming

731
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's it's my happy holler. And what

732
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: it breaks down to, you know, I'm happy or I'm

733
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: rooting for somebody. Why do you think we do that?

734
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: Because it's a Southern thing. I mean, you gotta eat grits,

735
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't need no oatmeal

736
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: or cream a wheat junk. It's a grit thing, is

737
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: what it is. It's just it's a Southern thing. Press

738
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 1: that I'm I think for a Southern Okay, I'm gonna

739
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set you up for something. To judge me. Okay,

740
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: my my assessment of myself. I think I am a

741
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: average Southern al hooter. Can you want me to judge

742
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: you being in a contest or do you want me

743
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: to judge you as a hunter? Judge me as a

744
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: hunter and then give me the critique of of a

745
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: of a contest. But I want I'm gonna al hoot

746
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: and I want you to give me just your honest assessment,

747
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: and I want you to coach me because let me

748
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: tell you something, I take a lot of pride in

749
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: my al hooting and I use it all the time.

750
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean I I use it. I want the truth. Man.

751
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: Oh that's my sequence. You are a very effective al hooter,

752
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: probably a little better than average from a competitive standpoint.

753
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: Get off stage, Okay, you ain't gonna hold a candle. Okay,

754
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: that's being reliance with you and also too so I

755
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: had to coach you right now from a hunting purely perspective. Yes,

756
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: there are so many times when you go into all

757
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: the different notes that an owl makes, he's doing gobbled

758
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: once or twice, and you ain't hurt him. There he

759
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: goes You needed short like or even just the who

760
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: I Preston, You've made a lifestyle a career, and you've

761
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: dedicated yourself and your personal passion towards not just turkey hunting,

762
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: but turkey calling. What does turkey hunting mean to Presston Pittman?

763
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: It's my life. I don't know any other real way

764
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: to to to to put it, but it is. Uh,

765
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: It's a gift that God Almighty gave me, who blessed

766
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: a barely high skeool educated person that dreamed of being

767
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: a game board and so I could be out and

768
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: outdoors all the time, which, oh Lord God is it's

769
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: giving me a dream come true. It's basically what it has.

770
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: And at sixty seven I have not lost that passion.

771
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: Have you? Have you ever thought about why? I mean,

772
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: like you think about a human and what we're here

773
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: on earth to do? Why we're here? Why is turning

774
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: so special to you? Remember this. I enjoy all of

775
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: the outdoors, but there's something about that time of year.

776
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: It's about sitting there and seeing the beautiful dog woods

777
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: come into full balloon. It's about the first buttercups, you know,

778
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: start to pop up. It's about seeing life come back

779
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: to the dead woods again. It's about being mesmerized by

780
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: a spider. Is something about that time of year. It's

781
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: like everything's gonna be okay, the winner's over with, it's

782
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: not cold, and there's life in everything again. You know what?

783
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: I what I hear when I hear you talk like

784
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: this and describe nature in these ways because I hear

785
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: somebody that's really paying attention, and it's perceptive and aware

786
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: and cognizance of detail. And I think that as hunters,

787
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: we're we're in a situation where we are trying to

788
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: fool a part of nature, and so we're having to

789
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: embed ourselves inside of a system that we're usually not in.

790
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: You're paying attention to all this stuff, and I think

791
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: that's a quality that is lost inside of much of

792
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: modern society because technology different things, moder the modern world

793
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: has taken away our need for that type of awareness.

794
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: And so just as I hear you describe that, I

795
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: take it as a personal challenge to be more aware

796
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: and be more in tune with what's going on around

797
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: because that just provides this rich palate for what I

798
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: see inside of you as a man that's passionate, loves

799
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: what he's doing, appreciative with what he's doing, and that

800
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: doesn't come by accident. That's real, intentional. No humans. Ability

801
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: to mimic the wide array of animal sounds is a

802
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: special part of human uniqueness, and it's embedded itself into

803
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: our culture. In the South especially, there is cultural value

804
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: placed on realism and even higher social status assigned to

805
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: the people who are proficient at it. A good our

806
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: hoot is a reflection of confidence, practice, and natural talent,

807
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: and carries with it a strong correlation of being a

808
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: proficient woodsman. It's really unique when you think about it,

809
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: but we have incorporated, or maybe even hijacked, the language

810
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: of the barred owl to communicate with other humans a

811
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: very high level of meaning. That nine notes sequence would

812
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: take a whole lot of human words to describe what

813
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: it means. I wonder where else in our lives we

814
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 1: do this. Humans are constantly looking for shortcuts and communication

815
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: to tell others who we are. Much of the time,

816
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: these messages are calling card for deeper human relationships. Even

817
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: an owl hoop, these social science questions are highly interesting

818
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: to me, and they make me more aware of myself

819
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: and why I do what I do. When I hear

820
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: somebody ol hoot, I feel a deep connection to them,

821
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: and I suspect, but that's an ancient social mechanism and

822
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: I like it. Oh oh oh, I love it.