Speaker 1: Look out. It's on many films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director, a cauker, and I love film. As Albert
Speaker 1: Hubbard once said, God will not look you over for medals,
Speaker 1: degrees or diplomas, but for scars. But he will want
Speaker 1: to know if you've watched the Before Sunrise trilogy in full,
Speaker 1: and he will be expecting your heart takes on each
Speaker 1: of the movies. Interesting. Thank you, Albert. Every week I'm
Speaker 1: about a special guest over. I tell them they've died.
Speaker 1: Then I get them to discuss their life through the
Speaker 1: films that meant that most of them. Previous guests include
Speaker 1: Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone, and even Yed Clambon's.
Speaker 1: But this week it's the brilliant award winning comedian and
Speaker 1: taskmaster John Cairns. Head over to the Patreon at patreon
Speaker 1: dot com forward to last Brett Goldstein, where you get
Speaker 1: extra twenty minutes of chat with John. We laugh a lot,
Speaker 1: we talk about a secret. We do openings and endings
Speaker 1: of films. You get the whole episode uncut and ad
Speaker 1: free and as a video. Check it out over at
Speaker 1: patreon dot com. Forward slash Brett Goldstein. So, John Cairns,
Speaker 1: what a guy. He's an award winning comedian. He's lovely,
Speaker 1: he's brilliant. You've seen him on Taskmaster, you've seen him
Speaker 1: on other things with Harry Hill. He's about to head
Speaker 1: off on tour with his new show, and you absolutely
Speaker 1: simply must go. We recorded this on Zoom a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago. He's so good to talk to. I loved
Speaker 1: it and I really think you're going to love it.
Speaker 1: That's it. So that is it for now. I very
Speaker 1: much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and thirty one
Speaker 1: of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to
Speaker 1: Films to be Buried With. It is me Brett Goldstein
Speaker 1: and I am joined today by a hero, a legend,
Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime, two time Edinburgh Comedy winner.
Speaker 1: He won the Newcomer, then he came back the next
Speaker 1: year and won the main prize. He hit out all
Speaker 1: the competition. Other comics were standing around, minding their own business,
Speaker 1: just trying to artist. He came in, wallop, get out
Speaker 1: my way, wallop, this is my get out my way
Speaker 1: he killed. There were forty comedians you've no longer heard
Speaker 1: of because this man has bullied and intimidated them out
Speaker 1: of the industry. He's a taskmaster, he's a Harry Hill
Speaker 1: helper and he is one of the great men in
Speaker 1: London living today. Please welcome to the show, the one
Speaker 1: and only. It's John Kenns. Ridiculous, completely ridiculous. It's lovely
Speaker 1: to win awards, but well as you know, the people
Speaker 1: that I don't want to use the word beats even
Speaker 1: but you know, you batter the people that the people
Speaker 1: yet you back the people that I did. But the
Speaker 1: people that you're nominated with, you know, it's who's who.
Speaker 1: People have heard of them. Yeah, ye oh very much.
Speaker 1: People are like, oh you want that? Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: want that all right? Who has got nominated roma strangulation?
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, Okay, I think you don't think you'd swap
Speaker 1: with you. I don't think it's swap with you now, No,
Speaker 1: James A. Gassler, Okay, don't I with respect, don't think
Speaker 1: you'd swap with you. Now. I know I've I've followed
Speaker 1: my own path, genuine question. I don't remember spoken to
Speaker 1: you about but I've always thought, I think comedy of
Speaker 1: all the awards to win, because I think it applies
Speaker 1: to everything, every every kind of award. But I think
Speaker 1: comedy is the worst way. My assumption with with a
Speaker 1: comedy award is it's a fucking nightmare because every time
Speaker 1: you're introduced on the stage, if people haven't heard of you,
Speaker 1: every time you introduced us Age, you're introduced as the winner,
Speaker 1: the great, you know, the statistically greatest comedian. And then
Speaker 1: you come on and the expectation from an audience is
Speaker 1: so suddenly completely differently, Well, this is going to be
Speaker 1: the best thing I've ever seen. Well, and obviously you
Speaker 1: deliver that. So I'm not saying that's the problem. How
Speaker 1: do you deal with Do you deal with the complete
Speaker 1: fallout when it isn't? No, I think the problem is,
Speaker 1: you know, you win an Oscar, you made that film
Speaker 1: maybe six months ago. You don't have to sit next
Speaker 1: to that person who goes along saying right, okay, it's
Speaker 1: the best film with you. You don't have to then
Speaker 1: sit opposite them as they watch it, and then they
Speaker 1: can kind of tell you, tell you exactly what they
Speaker 1: think about you and what they think about this film.
Speaker 1: You know, you're gone. If you win that thing, you're gone, Telly.
Speaker 1: It's been made, it's done, it's gone, the paint's dry.
Speaker 1: You would a comedy award, it's like it's day one.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, mate, guess what your ticket sales are
Speaker 1: through the roof? Oh oh brilliant. They worked before I
Speaker 1: won the award. Yeah. Yeah, that's because a lot of
Speaker 1: people where they've just heard of you, have no idea
Speaker 1: what you are, what you do, no idea what you are,
Speaker 1: but they are expecting it to be the best comedy
Speaker 1: of all time ever made. We'll just imagine going into that.
Speaker 1: I remember as a kid, you know, when you're getting
Speaker 1: into movies, and you know, you buy Empire magazine, you
Speaker 1: buy Total Film It's one hundred greatest movies, and you
Speaker 1: go here we go ye, And I mean they're usually right,
Speaker 1: actually pretty good films. Whereas stand up is so it's
Speaker 1: so subjective and particular to a person that you know,
Speaker 1: people will always go with comedy. Oh, there's a comedy
Speaker 1: night down at the pub. Do you want to come? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll come. That's the end of the conversation. With music,
Speaker 1: they might go, do you want to go to a
Speaker 1: music night? They go, Okay, what kind of music is it?
Speaker 1: It's a jazz night. I hate jazz, and that's the
Speaker 1: end of the conversation. Comedy people just go blanket, Yeah, comedy,
Speaker 1: there's no like this, like as if there's no subcategories
Speaker 1: to it. It's just And that's why I think comedy
Speaker 1: maybe isn't as appreciated as it should be, and say
Speaker 1: when it comes to film awards, because people don't see
Speaker 1: the nuances in comedic performance like you think of Gene
Speaker 1: Wilder or you think of Steve Martin, you know, the
Speaker 1: nuances of these performances, these incredible actors something like Bridesmaids
Speaker 1: as well. People just kind of take it for granted
Speaker 1: that it's funny. Yeah, like, well, yeah, it's a funny film.
Speaker 1: People wrote a funny script, got funny people in it.
Speaker 1: I laughed. What more do you want? Respect? Christ? But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the most important thing I think is, you know,
Speaker 1: I had success quite early on, and it was big success.
Speaker 1: But you do have to just think the biggest tell
Speaker 1: of successes that you carry on, that you keep going.
Speaker 1: And so I do think, you know, you don't want
Speaker 1: to end up like a footnote to something. You want
Speaker 1: to be you want to, you want to you want
Speaker 1: to keep going. Yeah, no, I know, I know you've
Speaker 1: got a couple of Emmys and in your in your
Speaker 1: yeah I heard it. Now do you know what it was?
Speaker 1: It was somebody went somebody, it was worse than footnote.
Speaker 1: Somebody went, well, you know, you don't want to you
Speaker 1: don't want to be a rumor, do you, which absolutely
Speaker 1: haunted me for the first decade. That really sorted your productivity,
Speaker 1: didn't It was like, right, I'm upstairs and writing the
Speaker 1: idea that it's not even factual, Like what did he?
Speaker 1: Not quite sure? Was anyone in the room, like, oh
Speaker 1: my lordly so no, you just you just gotta keep working.
Speaker 1: And you know, if these shiny things come along, you
Speaker 1: think you've got to enjoy it. But did you enjoy
Speaker 1: it at the time that it happened. I did enjoy
Speaker 1: I know I did enjoy it, but I think I
Speaker 1: imagine I've never run a marathon, but I imagine it's
Speaker 1: how it feels at the end of that because I'd
Speaker 1: been gigging and I had a full time job, and
Speaker 1: I think when I won, I felt like, right, this
Speaker 1: is what I've been working towards, and it felt like
Speaker 1: an exclamation mark, like punctuation felt like a full stop.
Speaker 1: But you've got to get your breath back, and you've
Speaker 1: got to learn to rest, and also in that same breath,
Speaker 1: you've got to you've got to be proud of yourself
Speaker 1: but not arrogant. And you're dealing with feelings of do
Speaker 1: I deserve this and going well, of course I deserve this.
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on, but crucially, because you've won
Speaker 1: an award, you can't walk around talking about this. But
Speaker 1: because it was ten years ago, I can now. You know,
Speaker 1: you just got to be grateful to say thank you.
Speaker 1: But so you know, I think that i'd love someone
Speaker 1: a Wooded award and not say thanks. I think Penelope Cruz.
Speaker 1: I think when she wanted Oscar. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I remember it being her, but I think she went,
Speaker 1: you don't work for five years now because because people
Speaker 1: are looking at you, going, oh, well you've won that,
Speaker 1: and so what like you've completed it, so we'll leave you. Well.
Speaker 1: I think a producer again, like I'm just I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about the Oscars here, but say
Speaker 1: a producer wants to win an Oscar, they might kind
Speaker 1: of go, well, she's done it, so let's get someone
Speaker 1: who's like, do you know what I mean, Like, because
Speaker 1: you've won it, you're weirdly Yesterday's person. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: had very I had success very early on. But then
Speaker 1: there was a moment where you know, I've been going
Speaker 1: about a year and people were like, oh, you're done,
Speaker 1: like you're you're, you're, you're on your way, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I've only been a professional comian for by
Speaker 1: the time I want both the awards, I've been a
Speaker 1: professional comedian for ten months, but I was Yesterday's News
Speaker 1: because it was like, you've done that, well done, congratulations,
Speaker 1: But it's not the nineties anymore. You don't you don't
Speaker 1: get your Channel four series. So yeah, a certainly an
Speaker 1: interesting time of my career. But in a way I'm
Speaker 1: glad I got that all out the way very early on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like it's what I realized about Edinburgh. It's sort
Speaker 1: of like that is that you make your sort of splash.
Speaker 1: You make there's the time you have your weather press
Speaker 1: are interested in they want to this seems like a
Speaker 1: good story, and then they never come back so they go,
Speaker 1: well that was covered, and you sort of think I'm
Speaker 1: making more and more interesting shows, but no one's interesting
Speaker 1: because they go, yeah, we got it, we saw yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they yeah, like yeah, you do that and you get it? Well, mate,
Speaker 1: when what do you want? Well? So I thought it'd
Speaker 1: last a bit longer, are you nah? Mate? We've got
Speaker 1: to move on to the next fresh thing. So that's
Speaker 1: why you know, I'm working on a tour at the moment.
Speaker 1: And I think it's that thing of what I like
Speaker 1: is the idea of that you're kind of going, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've done this for ten years. It's been my job,
Speaker 1: and I've got better, I think, year on year. And
Speaker 1: also the idea of thinking, you know, I'm not going anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think what you keep proving that you're good at something.
Speaker 1: I think I mean, you know Steve Martin quote, the
Speaker 1: perseverance is a great substitute for talent. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: just keep going in any you know, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do. Can we talk about briefly if if you're
Speaker 1: comfortable your personal business, by which I mean you've created
Speaker 1: a baby. Yeah, I have a son, yeah, and an air.
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of you. I an he might he
Speaker 1: won't be left any money, but he'll have a nice wig,
Speaker 1: a couple of notebooks with some stuff that, you know
Speaker 1: how not seen as racist. Now did it take before
Speaker 1: you put the wig on the baby? Do you know what? Truth?
Speaker 1: Never done it? That shocks me and disappointed. It shocks
Speaker 1: me because I've put stuff on his head, right, But
Speaker 1: do you know what I kind of I see it
Speaker 1: as my job. I see it as my career. So
Speaker 1: you know, there is a couple of posters around, but
Speaker 1: they're stacked behind each other. There's not really anything in
Speaker 1: the house that you know, I do what I do.
Speaker 1: So there is something that I'm like, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: eighteen months. You know, he doesn't know anything yet, but
Speaker 1: I do think, well, he knows some stuff. Obviously, an
Speaker 1: oven is hot. He knows that if anyone stops writing it,
Speaker 1: But you know, like he knows that actually put him
Speaker 1: in the oven to teach him that. He knows that.
Speaker 1: He knows this. He knows this, He knows this. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so it's kind of interesting where I've been thinking. Oh,
Speaker 1: obviously I've been thinking, you know, my parents had pretty
Speaker 1: kind of normal jobs. But he's going to be growing
Speaker 1: up with two of his parents being a self employed writers, comedians, whatever,
Speaker 1: So I'm interested in how I'm going to react to
Speaker 1: that when he starts asking me what I do or yeah,
Speaker 1: or or he kind of maybe finds out what I
Speaker 1: do and he's like, I'm fully aware of having spoken
Speaker 1: to other people who are children are older now that
Speaker 1: there will be a period like if you if you
Speaker 1: listen to David Earl talk about his son, or Harry
Speaker 1: Hill has put two about his children, like, there will
Speaker 1: be years where he cannot stand I think what I
Speaker 1: do and he might be embarrassed to it. So I
Speaker 1: either get like super super rich before he's like six,
Speaker 1: and then I deny it all, or I just I
Speaker 1: just you know, I just you know, grin and bear
Speaker 1: it and maybe think, you know, I don't know the idea,
Speaker 1: but what I love the idea is that you know,
Speaker 1: and this maybe we may come onto this. But when
Speaker 1: I pass. He goes through the notebooks, the clippings, the
Speaker 1: little invites to the parties, and he's going, hang on
Speaker 1: a minute, he was no fool, I mean he was,
Speaker 1: but professor, what's going on it? You know he starts,
Speaker 1: you know, he starts learning about me. I mean pretty
Speaker 1: grim thought, but that doesn't where he respects what you do.
Speaker 1: You have to be dead? Yeah, I'm like that. Go yeah,
Speaker 1: no one respects. I mean it's something i've maybe dadreamed about.
Speaker 1: Like the biggest the thing I can't get around, because
Speaker 1: you're right, in terms of having kids, is how do
Speaker 1: you explain what you're doing? How can you make it
Speaker 1: sound okay? Is if they ever came to a gig
Speaker 1: and saw you die. Oh that's you've sort of prancing
Speaker 1: around on stage too? Is not into it? Fact, Like,
Speaker 1: that's that's my dad? Like, what how do you? I mean,
Speaker 1: you're right, it's better to be dead. He's brought his mates.
Speaker 1: This is a thing though, Like I'm thirty five, this
Speaker 1: could be when I'm fifty. Yeah, I mean what am
Speaker 1: I doing? Yeah? I want do you know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna brett because of this podcast? Yeah, I now announced
Speaker 1: that I'm quit in comedy. I'm gonna go and do
Speaker 1: a journalism m thank you, and I'm going to read
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read the news. Let me tell you who
Speaker 1: sent me here to do this to you. It was
Speaker 1: James Ankasta Roberts regulated and all the other nominees. There's
Speaker 1: a long list that you beat out to what they said.
Speaker 1: You've got fifteen minutes to convince John to quick comedy,
Speaker 1: and I've done it. So anyway, I'm to the next day.
Speaker 1: You've died your day? Yeah oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: How did he die? I'm sorry I forgot to tell
Speaker 1: you that. By the way, that was all right. No,
Speaker 1: I was well, I wasn't aware it was happening. But yeah,
Speaker 1: last thing I remember it was I was at Mass.
Speaker 1: I've got I've got, I've got back into religion. I
Speaker 1: think maybe like High Mass Latin. Lots of smoke, lots
Speaker 1: of smoke, theatrical you know, men were provided colors able.
Speaker 1: Oh it's purple everywhere, gold stained glass windows, beautiful. It's
Speaker 1: east of Sunday. Okay, So there's a there's a celeb
Speaker 1: celebration where you know, Yeah, there is a vibe, there's una,
Speaker 1: there's a vibe. This is, by the way, this is Catholicism,
Speaker 1: High Catholicism. And I don't know, I just kind of
Speaker 1: keel over in the pews. Oh what collaps? What aid
Speaker 1: are you? I reckon? I'm like eighty three. Do you
Speaker 1: think this is high Catholicism. There's colors, there's smoke, it's
Speaker 1: all happening there's a vibe. Do you think there's a
Speaker 1: one in, one out policy? And as Jesus has risen,
Speaker 1: you must be take it right. When I used to
Speaker 1: work at the Houses of Parliament before I became a comedian,
Speaker 1: what did you do there? No, No, well there was
Speaker 1: a day I was but I can't talk about it. Um,
Speaker 1: I went into the wrong room, I got out decide something.
Speaker 1: They were like, don't think that was Cameron. Hey, um no,
Speaker 1: I uh look it's something illegal. It's illegal. It is
Speaker 1: technically illegal to die in the houses of Parliament. What
Speaker 1: do you mean. Yes, well, I'm racking my brains here
Speaker 1: for what I used to have to remember. But I
Speaker 1: think the idea So it goes back to I think
Speaker 1: our only Prime minister to be assassinated Spencer Perceval. He
Speaker 1: was shot outside the House of Commons. Well, and what year,
Speaker 1: great question? Give th It was before the fire, So
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with late seventeen hundreds, thank you,
Speaker 1: early eighteen Maybe anyway, he's shot, he dies. Now. I
Speaker 1: think the rule was if you died in Parliament you
Speaker 1: had to have a state funeral, and they couldn't afford
Speaker 1: it at the time, so they dragged his body out
Speaker 1: of the palace and declared him dead outside. Wow. So
Speaker 1: when I worked at Parliament, I always thought, well, if
Speaker 1: I die here, I'm technically not dead. So you know,
Speaker 1: if I if I went to mass there's a little
Speaker 1: chapel in Parliament. If I pop down there and killed over,
Speaker 1: I don't know how long i'd be there before they're like,
Speaker 1: what do we do? Fascinating? Interesting? Did you ever have
Speaker 1: to move the body? I was working at Poland and
Speaker 1: then drag it out into the street and god, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: six I had to do sex long queues. They're long queues.
Speaker 1: If there's an interesting debate going on, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: waiting a long time. No, I mean no, nothing like
Speaker 1: that happened. But you know, I don't know people people gave,
Speaker 1: people gave worse excuses to get out of my tours.
Speaker 1: So I'm not feeling very well. Okay, We've got another
Speaker 1: hour to go, mate. Yeah, I really don't feel well. Okay,
Speaker 1: um I right, okay, you pretended to drop down just
Speaker 1: school kids, school kids everywhere going right, Let's just pretend
Speaker 1: it was school kids you were doing this with. Oh,
Speaker 1: mostly mostly ship yeah, yeah, I mean, God almighty, no,
Speaker 1: Whender you're fine with audiences. Well yeah, you take around
Speaker 1: private school kids and they're very well behaved, and they're like,
Speaker 1: there's a sense I remember telling one kid around and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you know, group them and I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, do you know who sits here?
Speaker 1: And on them went his dad. Oh yeah, And then
Speaker 1: you know there's lords, it's all this all that going on.
Speaker 1: But you know, and then you take other kids around them.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting place because obviously they if you even
Speaker 1: I remember being their age, you know, you'd be like,
Speaker 1: this has got nothing to do with me. This place, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is the absolute epitome of boredom. Like this, this
Speaker 1: is where boredom is created. No, this is where laws
Speaker 1: is creating. No, no, no, no, no. This is the
Speaker 1: most boring place on the planet. Michael Jackson tried to
Speaker 1: buy that goal throne when he came here. Don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck mate, did he is that factor you jazz?
Speaker 1: I rarely jazzed up. Why there were people that jazzed up.
Speaker 1: People that jazzed up. They went, you know, keep your
Speaker 1: eyes out of Harry Potter. I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: do a thing like that. I was so so like,
Speaker 1: you relate you're getting facts. That's it. Oh yeah, keep
Speaker 1: your eyes out for baroness Floella Benjamin what just keep
Speaker 1: your eyes out. She's nice, She'll stop and talk. Mate,
Speaker 1: you're the most boring. You are so boring to me
Speaker 1: at night. I wear a wig and false teeth. Mate,
Speaker 1: they don't call me boring? There? Do you worry about death,
Speaker 1: mister junkins? I worry about death when I think I'm
Speaker 1: going to die, Like right now, I think I've got
Speaker 1: my health. But if I'm in the shower and I
Speaker 1: feel something, or you know the docs, you go to
Speaker 1: the doctor for a blood test and then the phone
Speaker 1: rings three days later from an unknown number. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: that's when it's over, right, And that's when I'm spiraling.
Speaker 1: And I'm going that's when I'm spiraling. But day to
Speaker 1: day I tend I tend not to dwell on it.
Speaker 1: What are you feeling in the shower? My asshole? Right?
Speaker 1: And then you suddenly think having having a dig around here,
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to die. Well, it smells like
Speaker 1: some has died up there. Horrible. That was horrible. I've
Speaker 1: heard your podcast. I'm a fan of your podcast. I
Speaker 1: tread to think that I saw this. I saw your
Speaker 1: podcast was recommended on Twitter by the Academy Awards. I
Speaker 1: hate to think who is listening to this going never
Speaker 1: heard of this guy. I'll give him fifteen minutes. May
Speaker 1: you go in. Something's crawled up my arse and died.
Speaker 1: That's where they've gone. You know what I can do
Speaker 1: without this off? This is La La landam over again.
Speaker 1: I can't trust these people. They've got it wrong. They've
Speaker 1: got it wrong. Tell me, tell me this. Do you
Speaker 1: think anything happens after you die other than your body
Speaker 1: being dragged out of Parliament and dumped in the street.
Speaker 1: I mean, does your soul goes somewhere? Is there and
Speaker 1: after life? Well? Well no, I don't believe there is
Speaker 1: an afterlife. I sadly don't believe we'll meet again. However
Speaker 1: I didn't. Yeah, break, I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: maudling now, which is good. It's my d it's my
Speaker 1: default position. You know. I was brought up by Irish Catholics.
Speaker 1: I went to church till I was probably sixteen eighteen.
Speaker 1: I did theology at a level smash that I was
Speaker 1: an a server. I mean I was in it, but
Speaker 1: I was in it like I don't know. I was
Speaker 1: pretty good at I wasn't on these people that believed
Speaker 1: in hell or anything like that, because that wasn't fed
Speaker 1: to me at all. I don't remember anything like that.
Speaker 1: Whenever you hear like Mark Maron interviewing because he's Jewish
Speaker 1: and he'll be if he ever intervis anyone as Catholic,
Speaker 1: like he just goes straight to hell. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: what did you think you were? Like, did you think
Speaker 1: you were got a hell? And I'm like, no, you're
Speaker 1: talking about It's like it's like, no one really, no
Speaker 1: one really talks about anything like that. It's just this
Speaker 1: kind of it's the routine, it's the rhythms of it,
Speaker 1: it's the it's to be honest, it's the actuality of it. Actually,
Speaker 1: funny enough, the exercise of going through films for yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the biggest themes. And I still haven't properly
Speaker 1: processed why. But what comes up a lot actually is
Speaker 1: Catholicism in the films that I've chosen. Interesting, But again,
Speaker 1: I think it's more because I like the camp just
Speaker 1: like it. It was the movies before the movies. So
Speaker 1: did you did you do you believe in God? Like
Speaker 1: what part of it? Did you not believe in any
Speaker 1: of what you were good at and doing, or like
Speaker 1: I said, did you just like the show of it?
Speaker 1: Or was there a time where you did believe all
Speaker 1: of that and then you stopped believing all of that? No,
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever fully did. No, it was
Speaker 1: just you know what you did every Sunday. I went
Speaker 1: to a Catholic school, I think, you know, with theology,
Speaker 1: I like the debate, yeah, I just like I like,
Speaker 1: I like the conversation, you know, the opinions of it,
Speaker 1: you know, like just the the idea that it's that's
Speaker 1: something that is such you know, with respect to anyone
Speaker 1: who does go in for it, that is such bollocks.
Speaker 1: Is Um is such a it's such a big industry,
Speaker 1: and it is an industry, you know, it's that's what
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah. But I think the slight warmness I
Speaker 1: have to it is I saw, especially with my family
Speaker 1: and my grandmother's that the the ritual of Mass, I
Speaker 1: mean somewhere to go, the community that that created, especially
Speaker 1: when you know for them Irish immigrants coming over and
Speaker 1: then finding their their people at church. I think that's
Speaker 1: an important thing still for people that maybe do come
Speaker 1: over to Britain and all that, and so I don't
Speaker 1: think any I don't know what else has replaced that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think over the past even ten year
Speaker 1: my lifetime, it has slowly deteriorated. But I did see
Speaker 1: the importance and what it gave, the purpose it gave
Speaker 1: people around me. So I'm very I'm very, very torn
Speaker 1: between it all. Really, but no, God in you don't
Speaker 1: go anymore to to Well, there's a great quote from
Speaker 1: Craig Brown, a satirist, and he said he feels religious
Speaker 1: in empty churches and atheists and full ones. And I've
Speaker 1: always related to that. If I have time on my
Speaker 1: hands and I'm maybe in Soho Square, or if I'm
Speaker 1: walking around, maybe I've gone to Harrods to buy a
Speaker 1: Crispy Kreme, I might pop into Yeah, I'll part by
Speaker 1: Lamborghini outside Arod's by. But you know, the prompted oratory there,
Speaker 1: the great thing, like the suffer example. You know, you
Speaker 1: do it on holiday busy street or something. You walk
Speaker 1: through a massive door, bang, complete silence. It's cool and
Speaker 1: I sit there and I'm with my thoughts. Some people
Speaker 1: might call that prayer. I don't think I pray, but
Speaker 1: I take I take a moment and I don't think
Speaker 1: about God or anything. I'll light a candle, I'll think
Speaker 1: about people in my family. But again, it's more about
Speaker 1: the ritual. And yeah, it's yeah, I think it would take.
Speaker 1: It will be. It will be a lifetime of working
Speaker 1: it out really well. But let me believe, let me
Speaker 1: save you some time. There is a guide and he's
Speaker 1: fucking fuming at you for your attitude towards this. And
Speaker 1: there is also hell and you know what, she, by
Speaker 1: the way, is considering it, considering it. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: could have to you could have told me that before
Speaker 1: I started. I wanted to hear your thoughts before. But
Speaker 1: she has gone. Do you know what he did? Accidentally
Speaker 1: do all the right things, the rituals, the candles, the thinking.
Speaker 1: That's great. That's it. So I'm gonna give me. Forgiveness
Speaker 1: is big with this one, and you get to go
Speaker 1: to heaven. They're huge fans, huge fans of you. It's
Speaker 1: filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? I
Speaker 1: haven't heard you as that before. Brett always asked that
Speaker 1: every episode, favorite thing, what's your favorite thing? You don't
Speaker 1: ask that, I do ask that. I like books. Okay,
Speaker 1: it filled with books. It's basically a giant, beautiful library,
Speaker 1: much like the one in seven, which I believe is
Speaker 1: in the New York Lovely Library. Absolutely beautiful, but it
Speaker 1: does also have screening rooms for films, and the seats
Speaker 1: are made of hard backs and soft backs actually more coupable.
Speaker 1: It sounds everything's books, and there's books on trays and
Speaker 1: books carrying trays in the books. When it talks to
Speaker 1: you and they they want to ask about your life
Speaker 1: in film, not books, weirdly, even though that's your favorite thing,
Speaker 1: but they weren't films. Maybe films based on books anyway,
Speaker 1: that's up to you. The first thing they ask you,
Speaker 1: what's the first film you remember seeing? You know, because
Speaker 1: because I knew this was coming, Yeah, I racked the
Speaker 1: brain and I went, well, hang on, I've got three
Speaker 1: films that I think were maybe the first three I saw,
Speaker 1: so I actually went and looked at when they were released. Wow.
Speaker 1: And the one that came first, so it must be
Speaker 1: the first film I ever saw was Babe Ah what
Speaker 1: It's one of the great cinemas, but so again, I'm
Speaker 1: looking it up. Ninety ninety five, nominated for Best Film
Speaker 1: at the Oscars. Yeah, deservedly say should have went stunning film.
Speaker 1: And I really I do remember vividly seeing that film
Speaker 1: in South London with my brothers and my mum had
Speaker 1: taken us, and I remember leaving the cinema and get
Speaker 1: in the car and then going to my NaNs and
Speaker 1: I just remember thinking, this is a great day. And
Speaker 1: it's only now looking back that I'm like, right, I
Speaker 1: think that was because that was the first time you
Speaker 1: went to the cinema. The other two were Jamunji, which
Speaker 1: I went to see my auntie, and a film, a
Speaker 1: film called Cutthroat Island, Yeah, which was pirate film. That's it.
Speaker 1: It's a great pirate film. Yeah, and it was the
Speaker 1: precurs that two Pirates of the Caribbean. I think that
Speaker 1: kind of film correct because I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was Disney, but it was a But my memories there
Speaker 1: are so I think the first film I saw was Babe.
Speaker 1: I think I went to the cinema my auntie, So
Speaker 1: that must have done something in my head where I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm I'm you know, I'm with the
Speaker 1: you know, not my mum and dad at the cinema.
Speaker 1: This is cool. And then I remember the other one
Speaker 1: was maybe just was with friends for the first time.
Speaker 1: And when when eight year olds to go and see
Speaker 1: a film, they're just swapping chairs for about far off.
Speaker 1: Just keep going. Now there's my Angle's wrong. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sit where you sit. No, I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: actually I want to sit at the just have you
Speaker 1: seen kit They're just constantly moving seats. They just want
Speaker 1: the perfect view. Good for them. How many brothers sisters
Speaker 1: you got or just brothers? Two brothers, two brothers? Yeah, old, younger, middle?
Speaker 1: Which are you? I'm the oldest? Yeah, lovely, babe. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you a little fun fact. Right. So, Sheila, I
Speaker 1: believe her name was Sheila Hancock, and she ran the
Speaker 1: London Film Festival for many many years. And when I
Speaker 1: did work experience there at once for a week or something,
Speaker 1: and she told me she so she's seen every film
Speaker 1: ever made. She said Babe was her favorite film and
Speaker 1: she watched it like a thousand times. She's Babe is
Speaker 1: the greatest film. It's a good film. It's a great
Speaker 1: It was on TV the other the other week and
Speaker 1: I was like, the thing is when you see James
Speaker 1: Cromwell walking around ever since Forge. That is the thing
Speaker 1: where whatever film I see him in now, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's to go from Babe. Yeah, you see La Confidential
Speaker 1: shortly after Babe and you go, oh yeah, but it
Speaker 1: might have been it might have been ten years after
Speaker 1: I saw Babe. Right. There we go. You've had your
Speaker 1: first film. How do you feel about that? Brilliant? I'm
Speaker 1: doing no God, or might always a little bit more. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: do you know what I was doing? I was being
Speaker 1: I was going this moment, pressure my mom. Okay, can
Speaker 1: you make it a bit different unless it sounds exactly
Speaker 1: like you yeah, because that's yes, right, um it might
Speaker 1: just say right, you've seen Babe Kids, Yeah, you love it,
Speaker 1: loved it? Bub right, La Confidential? Next? There we go.
Speaker 1: Is it your favor Oh? I love farmerhogg it. What
Speaker 1: is he your favorite actor? Yeah? La Confidential? Next? But
Speaker 1: as the first of all we've ever seen, is he
Speaker 1: your favorite actor? I don't know. I mean, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna take you like we're going to the premiere.
Speaker 1: Your uncle knows someone? What do you got to meet him?
Speaker 1: Christ Almighty? The pigs him on the pig of my
Speaker 1: favorite Yeah, I like the pig as well. Yeah, you'll
Speaker 1: meet the pigs look like you. It's lovely to know
Speaker 1: where you come from. What is the film that made
Speaker 1: you cry the most? Are you were crying? John kNs? Yeah, boy,
Speaker 1: yeah again, I'm going through my brain here. I remember
Speaker 1: seeing this film in the cinema and I was on control,
Speaker 1: like I was with my girlfriend at the time, and
Speaker 1: I just couldn't The film is precious. Oh boy, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: Now are you talking one scene or the whole film?
Speaker 1: Are you talking the big scene with the moment then yeah,
Speaker 1: well no, not just the way she treats I just remember,
Speaker 1: just I just remember feeling so sorry. Yeah for Paul President,
Speaker 1: for that character. It's based on a book. I don't
Speaker 1: know if the book is. I hope it's fiction. Christ
Speaker 1: but Marik carries in that film. She's really good in that.
Speaker 1: But oh it's hot. I mean, man, I just I
Speaker 1: couldn't handle the injustice of how horrible the mother is
Speaker 1: in that film, and how she treats her daughter and
Speaker 1: the daughter's pregnant, and then the way her school friends
Speaker 1: treat her as she has dreams of becoming I think
Speaker 1: a novelist or a film star, and that's her escapism
Speaker 1: from the life that she's living. I haven't seen it since,
Speaker 1: but that's okay. Yeah, but that film killed me, and
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm alone in that. That's so lovely.
Speaker 1: It's sort of lovely that you were so sort of
Speaker 1: upset by this horrible mum because you're you have a
Speaker 1: lovely mum and you were like, Pressi's mumm isn't saying
Speaker 1: we're going to the Early Confidential premier because you didn't
Speaker 1: didn't take it. I just I just I really remember
Speaker 1: going and I don't know why my reaction was so visceral,
Speaker 1: but well, I mean, I don't know why, you know,
Speaker 1: there wasn't a part of my brain come and you
Speaker 1: know this is a you know, this is a film.
Speaker 1: But I just really remember thinking that is not how
Speaker 1: you treat people. But yeah, that film killed me. And
Speaker 1: that was number one, just because I remember being in
Speaker 1: the cinema. I was, like I said with my girlfriend
Speaker 1: at the time, and I was like, this is I'm
Speaker 1: uncontrollable here. And a close runner up was Remains of
Speaker 1: the Day. Wow again, I saw that at home. Unrequited love,
Speaker 1: that scene at the bus stop she's on the bus
Speaker 1: crying her eyes out, the stoicism Hopkins in that he
Speaker 1: won a bathroom for that, and that that performance is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He's just he is very good. It's extraordinary. Just the
Speaker 1: way he oh, just the way he just he just
Speaker 1: holds it and you know he just will not let
Speaker 1: himself fall in love. And you're looking at a man
Speaker 1: who is in love. It's it's an extorre. You're looking
Speaker 1: at a man who is in love and he is
Speaker 1: acting it where he knows he's in love but no
Speaker 1: one else must know. And the way he but when
Speaker 1: he gets back in the car, there's a stillness and boy,
Speaker 1: that's that's my favorite kind of acting. I'll say this.
Speaker 1: I say this on the podcast because I saw an
Speaker 1: example of it recently the show Blackbird. You know Blackbird,
Speaker 1: this show that's heard about it Taron Edgerton and Paul
Speaker 1: Walter has with it, and there is a scene in
Speaker 1: it with Taron Edgerton. Everyone's very good acting, way, isn't it.
Speaker 1: But there's a scene around that that's my favorite kind
Speaker 1: of acting or performance where he's having to get a
Speaker 1: confession out of this killer. So he's sort of pretending
Speaker 1: to be his friend and he's like, Yeah, they're being
Speaker 1: sort of lads, lads, lads, and then the killer starts
Speaker 1: talking about killing a young girl, basically sort of submitting it,
Speaker 1: but he's kind of bragging as he's telling it, and
Speaker 1: Taron Edgerton is receiving this information, is so upset by
Speaker 1: what he's hearing, but he's also having to still be
Speaker 1: his brow. It's such a great bit of acting of
Speaker 1: him taking it in and being so horrified and upset
Speaker 1: by it, but also still being like cool, cool, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's a fucking brilliant bit fantastic,
Speaker 1: really good anyway, good actor, good acting. That's like de
Speaker 1: Niro in Good Fellers when he sat at the bar
Speaker 1: figure the cream soundtrack comes over, Yeah, and you just
Speaker 1: know he's going to kill this guy, and he's looking
Speaker 1: over at him, just kind of oh the amount of
Speaker 1: times I've used that gift. What's the film that scared
Speaker 1: you the most? Do you like it? Do you like
Speaker 1: being scared? Do you like it? Do you? I think
Speaker 1: I do, but I I kind of I enjoy it again.
Speaker 1: I kind of was thinking about this and I had
Speaker 1: a mate who he loved horror movies, and whenever I
Speaker 1: went around his house and I stayed over, he'd crack on, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we'd go through them, all the original omen
Speaker 1: and all that, and I think, you know, with horror,
Speaker 1: it's all it's it's it's very much if you're watching
Speaker 1: it with someone else, you can kind of it's like
Speaker 1: being on a roller coaster. You know. The best bit
Speaker 1: is hearing your mate next to you scream their guts out.
Speaker 1: Yea perfect. Yeah, the ones that I again, thinking back,
Speaker 1: when I'm fourteen, I'm getting in a film. I'm like, right,
Speaker 1: I'm going through it. I think it's more not the horror.
Speaker 1: I kind of it was the Uncanny films. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with Blue Velvet. Yeah, I was at an
Speaker 1: age well I couldn't. It was just odd. I mean
Speaker 1: obviously now I know, but it's just it's just when
Speaker 1: you're at that age or an impressionable way. Like again,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd seen The Exorcist, I'd seen everything, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I get it, I get it whatever,
Speaker 1: But with Blue Velvet, it was just so fucking creepy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also when you're fourteen, it's quite erotic as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're kind of you're turned on and you love
Speaker 1: the music and the way he's kind of seducing you,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it unnerved me, unsettled me, obviously. Dennis Hopper's
Speaker 1: performance is a bloke like a plastic mask at one point,
Speaker 1: like and you know, it's those images that you go
Speaker 1: to bed and you're like, well there you go, and
Speaker 1: you just yeah, they just flash up now and then
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, okay, that's still one that's still there.
Speaker 1: But also just you know, the white picket fence and
Speaker 1: you know, classic everyone just waving and all being very
Speaker 1: sweet like it's the German Show. Yeah, the uncanny always
Speaker 1: kind of got in my noggin. He's the best of
Speaker 1: the best. David n I saw a raised ahead when
Speaker 1: I was getting into David Lynch when I was much younger,
Speaker 1: and I was absolutely terrified and I didn't understand why.
Speaker 1: And I went, I remember Randa, I'm watching this is
Speaker 1: the scariest film I've ever seen, And she said why
Speaker 1: and I said, I don't know, Like I couldn't. I
Speaker 1: couldn't go oh, because this has happened. It was like
Speaker 1: if I described it, you go, that sounds ridiculous. Budge
Speaker 1: of the Kid. This horror films driving me crazy. Why
Speaker 1: what is it? The pace, the pace, the tone, just
Speaker 1: the tone of it. I think there's an undercurrent base
Speaker 1: in the soundtrack. I don't know someone had the head
Speaker 1: chopped off. No, no, is there someone by the door,
Speaker 1: none of that. It's just kind of just slow in
Speaker 1: a way. I'd be like, yeah, I respect, I do
Speaker 1: respect kid. Yeah, this kid's not moving seats in their cinema.
Speaker 1: Look at wow. Do you know what I'm gonna say it?
Speaker 1: Sue me. I'm gonna set up a cinema four kids,
Speaker 1: but they watch they watched classic horror, and the seats
Speaker 1: have seatbelts. Let's do like a ride, like a check
Speaker 1: the seat belt, lock them in, start the film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I edit out some bits that I'm like, you can't
Speaker 1: show them that. But just like the weird you know,
Speaker 1: the weird log pad shots of stuff, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: shove it. Let's teach them about cinema, Let's teach them
Speaker 1: about life and no moving in your seats on this business.
Speaker 1: I really would. Yeah, well, you know, I remember, what's
Speaker 1: the film that you love? People don't like it, critics
Speaker 1: hate it, but you love it. You don't care. Well.
Speaker 1: I found this tricky because I like good films. Well, honestly,
Speaker 1: I was a snob as a kid. I was a
Speaker 1: snob and my mates that went, oh, that's a laughing
Speaker 1: at I'm I'm not doing that. I don't I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't do that. According to these lists, it's not there. However,
Speaker 1: having said that, me and my mate, and again this
Speaker 1: one was pretty tricky because I'm like, I haven't gone
Speaker 1: back to films that I remember being bad. I can't watch.
Speaker 1: I'm not one of these people that can go, oh,
Speaker 1: I can watch it so bad it's good. I'm just like, no,
Speaker 1: not having it. Having said that, my friend and I
Speaker 1: went to see Angels and Demons, and again this goes
Speaker 1: back to me talking about the religion stuff. I love
Speaker 1: anything set in the Vatican. I love anything setting the Vatican.
Speaker 1: The two popes is unbelievable. I love it because I
Speaker 1: want to know, you know, like I said, brought up
Speaker 1: Catholic Church, you go to school and all that. I
Speaker 1: want to go there. And in the Angels and Demons,
Speaker 1: he's running around in there, he's in the basement. And
Speaker 1: also I'm just obsessed with what the Vatican has, like
Speaker 1: it's got insane amounts of it's probably got the biggest
Speaker 1: art collection in the world, the most expensive of it's
Speaker 1: got artifacts from the history, from the past millenniums that
Speaker 1: are just priceless, and they're all in the vaults. And
Speaker 1: if you remember Angels and Demons, Hanks is running around
Speaker 1: the vault. I loved it. Helicopter at the end. Absolute crap,
Speaker 1: absolute crap. I think that's a perfect completely rubbish. You've
Speaker 1: perfectly answered it. But on the other hand, what's the
Speaker 1: film that you used to love? You loved it and
Speaker 1: then you've watched it reasonly, but oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not for me. Well again, difficult. I've the way I've
Speaker 1: thought about this is what film was? What film that
Speaker 1: I watched when I was a kid? I went to
Speaker 1: the cinema and I left going, that's the greatest film
Speaker 1: of all time? Is now not the greatest film of
Speaker 1: all time? The one I remember? The one I remember going, Well,
Speaker 1: if anyone asks me what I think the greatest film
Speaker 1: of all time is, it will be now this. I'd
Speaker 1: left the View cinema. No, it was Warner Brothers cinema
Speaker 1: at the time, early way. Yeah, yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: great cinema. Yeah it was. It was the remake A
Speaker 1: Star skin Hutch, great film, great film, Owen Wilson, the
Speaker 1: Ben Stiller, Yeah, to this, to this, well, I mean
Speaker 1: that's the one. We do it right, do it? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's my answer because I'm going I remember
Speaker 1: how much I loved that film. It completely. I just
Speaker 1: remember going, well that it's just fun, just fantastic. And
Speaker 1: you know, there was a car park outside the cinema.
Speaker 1: Me and my mates are thinking about rolling around the cars,
Speaker 1: probably saying do it for about three months afterwards. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know, if I watched it now, I think
Speaker 1: I'd be really I'd be probably so disappointed. But it
Speaker 1: still is incredible, so I knowing. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm wrong, but I reckon Brett. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's the best film ever made. What's the film
Speaker 1: that means the most to you? Jong Kens? The film
Speaker 1: might not be good, but the experience you had around
Speaker 1: seeing the film will always make it special to you.
Speaker 1: My friend, please tell us well this feel well again?
Speaker 1: You can't ignore the first thought that goes in your head.
Speaker 1: I feel very fortunate to have nice memories of going
Speaker 1: to the cinema with my family or you know, friends
Speaker 1: and all that. But I remember seeing The Great Beauty
Speaker 1: with my love that my partner and we saw it
Speaker 1: in central London and then yeah, I think we've just
Speaker 1: started kind of going out and then we walked home
Speaker 1: because I think that film and just completely knocked us sideways.
Speaker 1: And the end of that film is just extraordinarily beautiful.
Speaker 1: And I don't know again, it's how cinema, it's like
Speaker 1: how music just it's when it lands in your life.
Speaker 1: And that film is all about I think, lost youth
Speaker 1: and about do you know what. Actually, looking back at
Speaker 1: it now, I really think it must have been a
Speaker 1: huge influence on the latest series of White Lotus because
Speaker 1: it's in Italy and it's just this glam it's the
Speaker 1: glam life, but you know, it's very simply that's the facade.
Speaker 1: You see the gorgeousness of Rome. But it's about this
Speaker 1: journalist called Jet who basically is getting older and even
Speaker 1: though he gets excited but I think a new job,
Speaker 1: he just realizes the futility of it all and he
Speaker 1: just thinks about lost love and his life and how
Speaker 1: the parties around him a meaningless And there's a moment
Speaker 1: where he looks up at a giraffe I think he's
Speaker 1: got a mate who's about to become pope or something. Again,
Speaker 1: there's there's religion, and the guy lets him into this
Speaker 1: like special I can't remember exactly the detail, but he's
Speaker 1: got like this special key that can let him into
Speaker 1: special places in Rome. And he goes into this courtyard
Speaker 1: and there's a giraffe and he I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: just so funny how a film you could watch, so
Speaker 1: many films set in space, like you know, you could watch,
Speaker 1: you could watch edited, but a film can be so
Speaker 1: beautiful that a bloke walking into a courtyard at nights
Speaker 1: in a giraffe can make you feel as though it's
Speaker 1: the first time you've ever seen a draffe and you
Speaker 1: see the beauty of a giraffe and and you know,
Speaker 1: and then you think of life. But then the end
Speaker 1: is just extraordinary. It's like the end is like an
Speaker 1: Italian version of Bill Hicks's routine of that you know
Speaker 1: life is just a ride because he does it at
Speaker 1: the end. Is it just him saying life is a trick,
Speaker 1: It's a trick, it's a trick. And then he shuts
Speaker 1: his eyes and then there's absolutely incredible piece of music
Speaker 1: goes over the credits with a boat going down the
Speaker 1: river in Rome and the reason why, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: we left the cinema. I'm with my partner, who I'm
Speaker 1: who I am now have a child. We've been together
Speaker 1: nearly ten years, and it was that thing of I
Speaker 1: think it was quite You could probably say that film.
Speaker 1: Maybe I've got friends that would say that films may
Speaker 1: be pretentious, or they'd be like, yeah, of course you
Speaker 1: love that, you know, But we had this conversation. I
Speaker 1: think about life, about love, about what the film meant,
Speaker 1: and I think that can be quite a romantic. And
Speaker 1: also when you find someone who you can talk to
Speaker 1: about movies where and not feel you know, so many
Speaker 1: of us have been in situations where you watch a
Speaker 1: film and someone says it's shit and you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. But when you find someone that you can
Speaker 1: basically be very pretentious with and ask the questions about life,
Speaker 1: that film did it, and you know what a beautiful
Speaker 1: film is. Amazing soundtrack as well, incredible perfect I thank
Speaker 1: you relate to now yeah again, all right, this is again.
Speaker 1: This might be a bit pretentious here, but I did
Speaker 1: run it past Gabby and she went I kind of
Speaker 1: I see this, so I again going through, you know,
Speaker 1: the education of trying to understand film and cinema. I
Speaker 1: got into Terrence Davies stuff, so I ordered Distant Voices
Speaker 1: Still Lives on DVD and I watched that. That film
Speaker 1: is absolutely mind blowing. The reason why I think it
Speaker 1: relates to me is it's about well, I don't think it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it relates to me. I think it
Speaker 1: relates to and it's particularly British this film, but I
Speaker 1: think the British way of life, family, life, death. It's
Speaker 1: set during the war. I was thinking about it, you know,
Speaker 1: know whing I was coming on this podcast. That film
Speaker 1: is just one of the greatest British films ever made.
Speaker 1: But I just remember being rocked by it. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't that I felt I'd been seen. I just remember going,
Speaker 1: that's life. That is that his life ups and downs,
Speaker 1: life and death. And there's a lot of Catholicism in
Speaker 1: it as well. There's a lot of church going your
Speaker 1: stand up this show. I haven't seen your newest show
Speaker 1: or your last show, and it was very Now you
Speaker 1: say it, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's like a Terris
Speaker 1: David's film. It was very British in about life and
Speaker 1: a whole life basically is how I saw your last show.
Speaker 1: Like like, well, I talk, I guess I talk about family,
Speaker 1: not in a particular kind of like broad strokes, and
Speaker 1: I think with his work or that film, he's so
Speaker 1: snapshots of a life. Yeah, I think there's all there's
Speaker 1: a running theme of a family having a picture in
Speaker 1: the living room over the period I think every ten years.
Speaker 1: So one picture, someone's not in that picture, then there's
Speaker 1: a couple, and then there's a marriage picture. Somebody dies
Speaker 1: and the coffin pulls up. You could continually uses the
Speaker 1: motif of the front door being open and things passing it.
Speaker 1: I love I kind of remember even as a teenager,
Speaker 1: I couldn't really I don't really know what this says
Speaker 1: about me, but I loved films setting very domestic settings.
Speaker 1: I just I just went, yeah, this is my stuff,
Speaker 1: and you know, anything where master and commander I could
Speaker 1: handle because it was kind of domestic on a boat,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, I just like kitchen sink stuff.
Speaker 1: So I when I saw that film, the reason why
Speaker 1: I say it, you know, is because yeah, I just
Speaker 1: remember watching it going that is life. Yeah, it's ups
Speaker 1: and down and it's brutal. There are some scenes that
Speaker 1: are very hard to watch, but also the cinematography. There
Speaker 1: is a beautiful bit with umbrellas that looks exactly like
Speaker 1: that scene in Road to Petition where they're all running
Speaker 1: around with the umbrellas and yeah, where two of the
Speaker 1: characters in the film fall through this glass roof. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it is astonishing and it's very it's a
Speaker 1: film that's very close to me. Um. But again, I
Speaker 1: feel like the answer I've given is vague, but it's
Speaker 1: just something I feel. I don't think it's bag at all,
Speaker 1: And genuinely it's sort of made made me go oh right, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it is it has it reminds me of the standard,
Speaker 1: your standard. Well again like the Great Beauty. Yeah, phenomenal soundtrack,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that every Yeah, yeah, I love
Speaker 1: the show. Great music, phenomenal soundtrack the beginning. What was
Speaker 1: that song you played before you came on? That was stunning? Ah,
Speaker 1: that was the high point. What what's the sexiest film
Speaker 1: you've ever seen? You disgusting pervert? Well, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: as a teenager when Channel five put out the erotic
Speaker 1: thrillers ten fifty five every Friday night. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a good time. It was a great it was busting boom.
Speaker 1: But uh no, I've been thinking about this a lot.
Speaker 1: Bound phenomenal. The Witch housekis a lesbian thriller, sexy as fuck,
Speaker 1: oh my god, suspenseful, erotic. Well it's it's a great film.
Speaker 1: First off, again, you know you're I don't know how
Speaker 1: order was when I'm watching that, but it's sexy as hell. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: I kind of was thinking back about it. I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I found that film sexy because it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's exploited in any way. I think
Speaker 1: it's quite but yeah, it's just sexy. Man. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just remember being like it was so sexy. I probably
Speaker 1: put my knoble way of respect. I'm like, no, you
Speaker 1: know what, this this is art. I need to not
Speaker 1: stand down. I know I promised you. I know that
Speaker 1: you heard a lot about this film, but no, this
Speaker 1: is sexty. I actually you know I want to watch this.
Speaker 1: What on the traveling Bane is worrying? Why Dad? What's
Speaker 1: the film? You found a round thing that you weren't
Speaker 1: sure you should The thing is when you are fifteen
Speaker 1: and you're going through your dad's video drawer looking for anything.
Speaker 1: Oh look, I'm not gonna liear. You're looking for sex
Speaker 1: scenes in the house. I don't know how you're doing this.
Speaker 1: Are you're taking chance? How's it happening? We've never talked
Speaker 1: about it, and you know i'd been looking at you'd
Speaker 1: been looking for anything. This is pre Internet, by the way,
Speaker 1: people listening going what the hell? Yeah? And the one
Speaker 1: which I try to think, is there anything here? Was
Speaker 1: a scene in Shakespeare in Love and they don't even
Speaker 1: show it. Gwyneth Paltrow's behind the door and the nurse
Speaker 1: is at the door like like raising her eyebrows. Right,
Speaker 1: the nurse is raising her eyebrows, and goth Paltrow goes
Speaker 1: a non kind nurse. I mean, i'd try to get
Speaker 1: someone out of that. Did you manage? Did you manage? Probably?
Speaker 1: No good for you. It's like when you watched Confessions
Speaker 1: of a Window Cleaner and he'd be like all right,
Speaker 1: and then you know, you just see the guy's ass
Speaker 1: all the time. He's just running around naked up ladders
Speaker 1: and like, don't you see boobies in there? You see? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you do? But you see his he's always running around
Speaker 1: with his ass out. Yeah, it's mostly and then you
Speaker 1: know the husband comes in and he's out, he's jumping
Speaker 1: out the window. You're like this too, what's going on here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I follow him on to her. He's quite funny. But
Speaker 1: I also think your ass is the ass I've seen
Speaker 1: most in my life. I haven't seen my ask about
Speaker 1: I reckon. I've seen my ask over the course of
Speaker 1: my life. I think I've seen my ass. If you
Speaker 1: added it all up six minutes, that's so interesting and true.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at six. Yeah, I'm looking at five. Where
Speaker 1: you actually add a looking you've got all right, that's
Speaker 1: what it looks. Yeah, in your lifetime, six is massive.
Speaker 1: And that's also a minute where you think somebody's wrong
Speaker 1: and you're really that's when you think you're dying in
Speaker 1: the shower. Yeah yeah, well I even then, I'm not
Speaker 1: looking at it. I mean, oh god, what is the
Speaker 1: objectively the greatest film of all time shining? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can have it. That film is not mucking around,
Speaker 1: it's not It's the film I've seen most in the cinema.
Speaker 1: I think I've seen about six times in the Cinema.
Speaker 1: There's a book that's just been written by Leon Critch
Speaker 1: pictures with the extra pictures. Yeah, yeah, I really want it.
Speaker 1: And then I saw it cost fifteen hundred pound Are
Speaker 1: you serious? Yeah? I was looking at last week. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's what He's been writing this book for ten years,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I love a book, not as much
Speaker 1: as you, But do you know what I think they're
Speaker 1: going to do? Do you remember the Kubrick Napoleon book
Speaker 1: they released? Yeah? I think what they do is they
Speaker 1: issue a big one going right collector's item here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they release they release like a thirty quid
Speaker 1: one for them. She just got to hang around a bit.
Speaker 1: It does seem a lot for a book. I know. Man,
Speaker 1: I was looking at it like even if I was like,
Speaker 1: even if I had the money, I'm going I don't know,
Speaker 1: but that film really it's one of my favorite films.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I just remember I took. I took
Speaker 1: a girlfriend at the time. She hadn't seen it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, when you're showing off films,
Speaker 1: You're like, you got to see this thing. Anyway, the
Speaker 1: credits came up at the beginning and it went Jack Nicholson,
Speaker 1: and she leant over to me and went, god, I
Speaker 1: hate Jack Nicholson. Oh, And I was like, I mean
Speaker 1: there were two things going. I was like, wow, what
Speaker 1: if you knew you see the shining? How the hell
Speaker 1: have you got to this point and not no knees
Speaker 1: in it? And secondly, I mean, this is full lawn, Janni,
Speaker 1: this is gonna sement everything you think about I sort
Speaker 1: of also, never in my life heard anyone say they
Speaker 1: hate said, well, I'm surprised you didn't get rid of
Speaker 1: her on the spot. I see the shining, she says,
Speaker 1: I hate Jennings got yeah, maybe I shouldn't have done that,
Speaker 1: walked off. Yeah, but no, just break my heart. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Slap on remains of the day doesn't sound she was
Speaker 1: the way No, no, gods, okay, but that film is
Speaker 1: cr That film is absolutely absolutely objectively Yeah, that's where
Speaker 1: I'm going, That's where you get the lists out, that's
Speaker 1: where you go, right, what is happening it? And that
Speaker 1: breckers My god, that is unbelievable. I don't still don't
Speaker 1: quite understand whenever I read about him ninety takes or whatever.
Speaker 1: And the only reason it bothers me is as someone
Speaker 1: who you know has has done a bit on both
Speaker 1: sides of it. Editing. When you're in the edit watching
Speaker 1: ninety options would drive you fucking insane. I'm like, don't
Speaker 1: give me ninety. Give me ten maximum maximum, otherwise we're
Speaker 1: never going to finish before I got to go way
Speaker 1: through ninety takes on every single angle it is. I mean, no,
Speaker 1: wonder these films took so long? Yeah? No, I mean sorry,
Speaker 1: Can I just see another take? Which one at which?
Speaker 1: Which of the eighteen ninety? Want to check? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: he's watching unless onset. He goes, that's the one. But
Speaker 1: sometimes that happens and then you get in the edit
Speaker 1: and you go, actually, it's not quite the one. Can
Speaker 1: I have a look at the other? Eating name? What
Speaker 1: must the editor must have been like, are you fucking joking? Stanley?
Speaker 1: Was he trying to tap into the clowning kind of thing?
Speaker 1: You know, clowning is showing your real self? I believe
Speaker 1: I've read various things that sometimes it was like the
Speaker 1: actors wouldn't know their lines, So the first ten takes
Speaker 1: was the actor learning their lives and done their homework.
Speaker 1: Then it was the actor is acting. Then if you
Speaker 1: keep pushing through. Eventually they stopped doing the thing that
Speaker 1: they were doing. Then you keep pushing through and something
Speaker 1: else happening, something else happens, which means in theory he
Speaker 1: only cares about the last five takes or whatever. But
Speaker 1: I still go from experience. Sometimes you're on setting, you
Speaker 1: that's the take, and you make a note of it,
Speaker 1: and then you're in the editor you go, oh, it
Speaker 1: isn't quite the take for whatever reason, might not be
Speaker 1: lit right, there might be something slightly off with the camera,
Speaker 1: you know. So you then do have to watch the
Speaker 1: other takes, and in the end you always end up
Speaker 1: looking back at the other takes. He's got to do
Speaker 1: ninety takes every shot. What is the film you could
Speaker 1: or have? What's the most over and over again? Well
Speaker 1: again the Shining, Well it's The Shining, or it's Good Fellas,
Speaker 1: or it's The Couple Billy Wilder. Yeah, you can whack
Speaker 1: his film on any and you can warn any one
Speaker 1: of his films on anytime. I went through a phase
Speaker 1: where I was buying all of his movies and watching them,
Speaker 1: and my god, I mean, you know, I think I've
Speaker 1: probably seen The Apartment quite a few times as well.
Speaker 1: You just you just they're just gems, like they're works
Speaker 1: of again, going back to what that kind of that
Speaker 1: domestic side of things that I just kind of latch onto.
Speaker 1: It's a question for you that I was thinking when
Speaker 1: he said this. I've been trying to I've been formulating
Speaker 1: this in the back of my mind since you said this,
Speaker 1: A few questions back. Do you think you're you're the
Speaker 1: reason you like the domestic stuff, the kitchen sink stuff,
Speaker 1: because what's different is it basically comes down to do
Speaker 1: you do you want cinema for escapism people go and
Speaker 1: see Star Wars as escapism I want to get away
Speaker 1: from my life? Or do you want cinema to go
Speaker 1: what is life? What is this? What is this that
Speaker 1: I'm experiencing? What is around me? Right, I'm not kind
Speaker 1: of kind of I'm not running out. I like that.
Speaker 1: But again, this is kind of where maybe earlier on
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm seeing the connection here with religion
Speaker 1: in that. Yeah, I like cinema that just asks the
Speaker 1: big questions yea, and tries to answer it in some
Speaker 1: way or tries to show it through a relationship or
Speaker 1: you know whatever, whatever whatever the film's about. But um, yeah, escapism. No,
Speaker 1: I don't really. I mean, it's another thing to say,
Speaker 1: you know, like, you know, I'm not a llegit Hotel
Speaker 1: Budapest toy story. I'm there. I'm like row, I'm saying
Speaker 1: that was a fantastic movie. I'm buzzed on the way home.
Speaker 1: But you know, I like, yeah, the big questions, I
Speaker 1: like leaving, you know. And again I've got mates that
Speaker 1: leaves Cindhema's going, what the fuck was that about? Fuck that.
Speaker 1: I'm just sat there going, no, you don't understand. No
Speaker 1: one has the answer to life. But that took me
Speaker 1: a step further in my kind of in my understanding.
Speaker 1: There is another answer coming up. We're going we get Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll do that. Yeah, we'll be quick because it's negative.
Speaker 1: What's the worst film you've ever seen? Well, from the
Speaker 1: sublime to the ridiculous? Because they directed this as well. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the worst film I've
Speaker 1: ever seen, but I remember going, I fell asleep, I
Speaker 1: thought about leaving. Matrix reloaded the Matrix reloaded the newest one,
Speaker 1: No number three, number three. Okay, now again I get
Speaker 1: so that's my memory, right, Yeah, I looked it up
Speaker 1: and it's not regarded as a terribly bad film. I
Speaker 1: think I remember liking it more than the second one.
Speaker 1: But when I went to watch Matrix rebooted or whatever
Speaker 1: it's called, the newest, it's very strange, the new one,
Speaker 1: very strange and surprising. But when I to watch it,
Speaker 1: I watched one of those the Matrix Trinity in five
Speaker 1: minute things to remember the case. I was like, do
Speaker 1: I need to remember exactly? And I watched this and
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't understand any of this very
Speaker 1: confusing world. No, but this is it. This goes back
Speaker 1: to my earlier answer. You know, if I'm going, oh, yeah, Brett,
Speaker 1: I like her distant voices, still lives, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what I like. I like a film setting a kitchen.
Speaker 1: If I'm then going to watch a Matrix to reload it, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just not for me. It's just not my taste
Speaker 1: asking the big questions about life and exists. Well, but
Speaker 1: in a way you that scares it people chatting about
Speaker 1: it in a kitchen. I actually I want people chatting
Speaker 1: about it in a situation where I'm like, yeah, they
Speaker 1: know how to work the oven, they know that the
Speaker 1: taps work, they know that there's fridge whatever in matrix.
Speaker 1: I'm going, yeah, well you're asking about what life is, mate,
Speaker 1: But I'd love to know how you open that window
Speaker 1: because it looks like you've got to press four fucking
Speaker 1: buttons and slide something under something like you're yeah, they're
Speaker 1: not even in a spaceship, they're none know what they're in.
Speaker 1: You're sleeping in fluid. That seems in practical Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I like, you know, two people in a brass bed,
Speaker 1: you know, Charlie Chocolate and Charlie Chocolate. That was the
Speaker 1: sexiest ever. So wow, Charlie the Chocolate Factory, Charlie Chocolate.
Speaker 1: Charlie is the great character. Charlie Chuck. It's me Charlie Chocolate.
Speaker 1: Have you found the Golden Penny? Oh god, Charlie Chocolate.
Speaker 1: We're off to see Charlie Chocolate. Kids. No please, God No,
Speaker 1: So you don't like Charlie Chocolate and Willie I do.
Speaker 1: It starts as a kitchen syncraving. Yeah, exactly, exactly. I
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. They're all in the bed, they're
Speaker 1: all like, they're all in this little house. I'm like, brilliant,
Speaker 1: and then it goes off. Then it goes escapes in
Speaker 1: but it starts in real sky. With that gently guys
Speaker 1: your hands, we can have a bit of fano. We
Speaker 1: saw you the kids and everything works. We ain't got
Speaker 1: enough money to pay it for the gas, but if
Speaker 1: we did, the oven works. Now we're just going on
Speaker 1: a little like a kite. You know, it's roots so
Speaker 1: you know, I can see who's old in the kite,
Speaker 1: but I can also look up and enjoy the spectacle.
Speaker 1: Love it. If people listening to this going, mate, just
Speaker 1: go watch a BB film and chill out for three hours.
Speaker 1: What's the film that made you laugh the most, you
Speaker 1: Fanny bastard. Okay, again, I've tried to avoid obvious for
Speaker 1: you because I'm thinking this guy must get answers all
Speaker 1: the time, and also you might be answering. You might also.
Speaker 1: I thought, in your position, you must have to ask,
Speaker 1: You must have to ask this question. And even though
Speaker 1: you say try and think outside the box, people go bang,
Speaker 1: and you've got to be like, I don't know this
Speaker 1: guy well enough to question them on it. So look,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go obviously. Dumb and Dumber is incredible.
Speaker 1: That's a funny film. Four Lions made me piss myself
Speaker 1: but I'm going to go for Waiting for Government, Okay,
Speaker 1: Christopher Guest improvised amateur dramatics. Fred Willard, that film is
Speaker 1: so funny he is. I mean, Fred Willard is insane,
Speaker 1: like you're just like funny he is. He's like, God,
Speaker 1: that is a film I love, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: when you know people would love it and they haven't
Speaker 1: seen that, and you go, oh my god, I want you.
Speaker 1: I want to sit next to you and watch you
Speaker 1: watch this. And then they sit there and the opening
Speaker 1: credits happened, they lean across the game. I hate Fred Willard.
Speaker 1: I ate cinema. You don't have to sit here and
Speaker 1: watch it, do we? Yeah, that's cinema. I ate cinema. Oh,
Speaker 1: for God's say, you're thirty. What's wrong with you? I'm
Speaker 1: gonna damp you in a week? Oh god, oh god,
Speaker 1: it's respect to be fun Fred Willard, it's funny. I
Speaker 1: just look at him, just look at him. He doesn't
Speaker 1: know what's about to go out of his mouth. Oh man,
Speaker 1: all of I mean, all of those films bested show,
Speaker 1: but yeah, the one that I remember when I remember
Speaker 1: seeing Waiting for golfment and just again, it's that you
Speaker 1: know you have it with movies where you leave and
Speaker 1: you go, I need to get a script, I need
Speaker 1: to get a book. I need to somehow hold this.
Speaker 1: And that's why you know, with I guess a lot
Speaker 1: of people feel it. With streaming and even with music
Speaker 1: and stuff, you don't. You don't have that tangible, physical
Speaker 1: kind of But when you got that DVD of saying
Speaker 1: like Waiting for Gofman Or you just devoured it. You're like, God,
Speaker 1: this is so good. Yeah, what a film, funny film.
Speaker 1: Jim Kaines, you've been truly magnificent on this. However, if
Speaker 1: I may when you were eighty three years old and
Speaker 1: you were in the chapel in Parliament and it was
Speaker 1: high Mass. We're talking purple, we're talking smoke, We're talking
Speaker 1: the whole show, big show of curtains. It's Easter Sunday.
Speaker 1: Jesus is coming back. People have heard rumors, you had
Speaker 1: that rumor. Don't want him to be a footnote. Jesus
Speaker 1: is coming back, and you're there. You're excited. You love
Speaker 1: all this, you love the pageantry, you love the show.
Speaker 1: And Jesus goes to himself, well it's one in, one out.
Speaker 1: And if I'm coming back. I've got to take one
Speaker 1: of these out. Who in this room doesn't believe in God? Ah,
Speaker 1: there he is, he sees you. He has you killed.
Speaker 1: You keel over, fall over the front of you dead.
Speaker 1: But are you dead? No, you can't be, because you're
Speaker 1: in Parliament. I'm walking by with a coffee. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm like, It says anyone seen John Kurzy go, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's lying very still, And I goes again and they go, no, no,
Speaker 1: they all look scared because Parliament. No, he's not dead.
Speaker 1: He's just being very still. And I go, he's not breathing, right,
Speaker 1: They go, just take him outside, take him outside, and
Speaker 1: we're all get killed. So I drag you, the lord
Speaker 1: that that kid's daddy goes taking that side, or you'll
Speaker 1: lose our fucking jobs. Drag you. I drag you out
Speaker 1: into the street. And then I go, oh, I think
Speaker 1: he is dead. Now I've got him in the sunlight.
Speaker 1: I think he is dead. Anyway, I've got to get
Speaker 1: you in this coffin, but the coffin on the right side,
Speaker 1: because you've put on a bit of timber in the
Speaker 1: last years. So I'm having to chop you up, chop
Speaker 1: chop chopping up, choping out. You give me an ax,
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, yeah, chop cho chopping up into a
Speaker 1: little bit stuffy in the coffin. I just say the
Speaker 1: people listening, he's not reading this. Just for anyone listening.
Speaker 1: Brett doesn't read this. This is just coming out of
Speaker 1: his head, right, Get you in, Get your in the
Speaker 1: coffin stuffed him in. It's Frank, there's only rumin his
Speaker 1: coffin to slip one DVD in the side with you
Speaker 1: to take to the other side. And on the other side,
Speaker 1: it's movie night every night in book Heaven. What film
Speaker 1: are you shake taking to show the book people of
Speaker 1: Book Heaven in the book library, in the book screening
Speaker 1: poll on the book seats when it is your movie night.
Speaker 1: John Kearns legend, I think the film that I'd like
Speaker 1: to be slipped into my coffin Broye for you know,
Speaker 1: every question could be you know, I could have ten
Speaker 1: answers to every one of your questions, but the one
Speaker 1: that remains magical. And when I was going through the list,
Speaker 1: I went bug on me that film was superb. The
Speaker 1: great beauty, wonderful, wonderful answer, wonderful man. What would you
Speaker 1: like to tell people to look out for, or to
Speaker 1: listen to, or to read in the coming times. Don't
Speaker 1: like what of your own stuff? Flog my talk? Sorry
Speaker 1: I was thinking. I was like, well, I could recommend them. No, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on tour Brett and it starts in London
Speaker 1: and February twenty twenty three and it ends in London
Speaker 1: actually on during the second at the Bloomsbury Theater. I'll
Speaker 1: be up and down the country all around. I might
Speaker 1: be adding some extra dates. But if anyone wants to
Speaker 1: come along, it's John Kern's comedy dot co dot uk
Speaker 1: because a friend of mine brought John Kerns dot co
Speaker 1: dot uk and then I forgot he'd done that until
Speaker 1: I registered the other one. So there we go. I
Speaker 1: have heard your new show is incredible. I've heard that
Speaker 1: from a lot of reputable sources. Actually, well, well it's
Speaker 1: as you know, you just keep your head down and
Speaker 1: run towards the day that it's released out into the world.
Speaker 1: So I've still got a month and a half to
Speaker 1: work on it, and I'm very happy with where it is.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, as I was saying, you know,
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this podcast. You just got to
Speaker 1: keep making it as good as it can be. So yeah,
Speaker 1: no rest you on any laurels yet, but I'm more
Speaker 1: than happy about it. Yeah, come along. I'd love to
Speaker 1: see people there, but for God's sake, do not mention
Speaker 1: the little secrets. So that's your cares. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You've been really fucking brilliant. I hope you have a
Speaker 1: wonderful death. Good day. Thank you for having me. So
Speaker 1: that was episode two hundred and thirty one. Head over
Speaker 1: to the Patreon at patreon dot com. Forward slash Brett
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Speaker 1: the most of you and why my name is Maurin
Speaker 1: likes wadding it and it'd be very nice thing to
Speaker 1: do for it, and God knows she deserves it laugh
Speaker 1: in these dark times. Thank you all for listening. I
Speaker 1: really hope you're all well. Thank you to John for
Speaker 1: giving me his time. Go see his stand up show
Speaker 1: on tourn now. Thanks to creepys Pip and the Distraction
Speaker 1: Pieces of Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it.
Speaker 1: Thanks to a Cars for hosting it, Thanks to Adam
Speaker 1: Richardson for the graphics at least light them for the photography.
Speaker 1: Come and join me next week for a Stella guest.
Speaker 1: So that is it for now. In the meantime, have
Speaker 1: a lovely week and please be excellent to each other