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Speaker 1: Illustrated Weekly. In the shadow of one of the best

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Speaker 1: soccer teams in the world, one super fan of Manchester

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Speaker 1: United doubled as a legendary area crime boss until he

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Speaker 1: was assassinated. The wild true story of who killed Manchester

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Speaker 1: United hooligan and criminal Paul Massey and why he was

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Speaker 1: killed is told here by SI contributor Read four Grave.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host John Gonzalez from Sports Illustrated and I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio this Sports Illustrated Weekly. A quick heads up

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Speaker 1: that this story features foul language, gun, violence and murder.

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Speaker 1: The year was Manchester United had a new manager. Here

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Speaker 1: he is on the first day of his new gig,

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Speaker 1: telling the BBC about the awkwardness of meeting the players

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Speaker 1: after former manager Ron Atkinson was Austin, don't they all right?

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Speaker 1: Once week got relationship, I'm sure we'll do Vediville Alex

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Speaker 1: Ferguson didn't know it, but very well was a vast understatement.

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Speaker 1: He was about to usher in a new era for

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Speaker 1: the team, an era that would redefine English soccer, not

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Speaker 1: just United, all the champions up the Premier League. Of

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Speaker 1: course you do. No one can cross a ball or

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Speaker 1: bend it like that. And there's a goal from coasts

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Speaker 1: But why wonderful save by Hichall got hit by Ryan Giggs.

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Speaker 1: Oh what's it good? Oh my goodness the Christiano. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In the mid eighties, Manchester United was on the precipice

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Speaker 1: of greatness, but just across the river from the Grand Stadium,

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Speaker 1: Old Trafford, a gritty, rough and tumble area of Manchester

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Speaker 1: called Salford was giving rise to an almost mythical criminal.

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Speaker 1: His name was Paul Massey. His story is one of

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Speaker 1: hubris and deceit in the shadow of one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest soccer teams ever. The legend of Paul Massey can

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Speaker 1: be told through these three things soccer hooligan firms, the

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Speaker 1: drug trade, and the rave music scene. So you can't

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Speaker 1: tell the story of Paul Massey without telling the story

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Speaker 1: of Manchester and specifically the story of Salford. That's writer

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Speaker 1: Read four Grave, who reported this story for an SI

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Speaker 1: Daily cover Manchester. He was really the first industrial town.

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Speaker 1: very much, the more hard scrabble city, very much like

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Speaker 1: a city with a chip on its shoulder. And within

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Speaker 1: Paul Massey is a child of this area. He's born

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Speaker 1: in the early nineteen sixties and Salford was still rolling

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Speaker 1: That's what Paul Massey did. This is a guy who,

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Speaker 1: look he had a rough upbringing. He was kind of

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Speaker 1: And then in the mid eighties the band New Order,

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Speaker 1: So Paul Massey figures us all out. He creates this

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