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Speaker 1: What is Up?

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Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets

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Speaker 2: Dub Podcast, another offseason episode. You're gonna talk about the postseason,

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Speaker 2: gonna talk about Billy Eppler stepping down and what he

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Speaker 2: did during his time here with the New York Mets,

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Speaker 2: all the moves, all the acquisitions, go over those, and

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Speaker 2: then also just talk about a little baseball postseason. Like

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Speaker 2: I said, we've got some big games going on, some

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Speaker 2: big series, and even though the Mets season is not

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Speaker 2: going on, me and James still watching a lot of baseball,

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Speaker 2: still want to talk to you about some players to

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Speaker 2: keep an eye out for guys to watch in series

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Speaker 2: that are particularly intriguing this postseason. As always, if you

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Speaker 2: James how we feel in postseason baseball starting feeling good.

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Speaker 3: Post season has been great so far, format and all

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Speaker 3: I think has been pretty nice to watch for everybody

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Speaker 3: watching the Astros right now. Just take it to the

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Speaker 3: Twins after dropping the first game, they're finding their finding

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Speaker 3: their way right back to where everyone always probably assumed

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Speaker 1: But it's been good.

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Speaker 3: This is that like magical time with the sports calendar,

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Speaker 3: where a lot of the things are happening at once.

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Speaker 3: We're like a couple weeks away from the sports equinox.

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Speaker 3: We're in the same day. We're going to have a basketball,

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Speaker 3: a baseball, football, and hockey all played professionally. Coultorotball season,

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Speaker 3: you guys, like, we talk about it, but it's going okay,

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Speaker 3: and playoff baseball has been again. It just has been

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Speaker 3: awesome in the game. We'll talk about a lot after

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Speaker 3: we talk about Billy Eppler, But the Braves Philly series

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Speaker 3: already like super super living up to the building and

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Speaker 3: it's just it's a funny thing for Mets fans to

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Speaker 3: just be there and having to root for one of them.

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Speaker 3: And I think that basically every Mets fans in an

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Speaker 3: for and it's it's hilarious, just like the feelings inside

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Speaker 3: my head and my body and my brain and talking

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Speaker 3: to you about it as well, like cheering for a

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Speaker 3: team that I've hated forever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean absolutely, it's a it's a nightmare

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Speaker 2: of a series, like the nightmare is always like Braves Yankees.

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Speaker 2: But even then probably I actually don't really know what

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Speaker 2: I would do still probably the Yankees, but it's just

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Speaker 2: I would hope there was a tie, but Braves Phillies.

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Speaker 2: Right now, at least it is not the word World

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Speaker 2: Series can root for one team because they could still

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Speaker 2: get knocked down the next round. But yeah, we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about that a little bit more. Let's talk about the

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Speaker 2: big thing that is involving the Mets. That was Billy

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Speaker 2: Eppler stepping down as the general manager of the New

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Speaker 1: And I mean he did a lot of really good

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Speaker 1: things for Billy Eppler. I know, sometimes Mets fans get

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Speaker 2: It's what Met fans do. You want to point blame

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Speaker 1: But all things considered, there were a lot of positives

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Speaker 2: And I feel like that trade deadline this past year

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we could look back in three five years as

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Speaker 3: the trade deadline twenty twenty three kind of transforming the

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Speaker 3: like you said, a lot of Mets fans weren't the

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Speaker 3: catches a lot of flak for the trade deadline last year.

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Speaker 3: But I'll say some funny things about that a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But I think the crazy thing about the Eppler resignation

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Speaker 1: It felt very weird. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and if you look at what was said

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, I mean a lot of good

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Speaker 2: Eppler saying I wanted David to have.

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Speaker 1: A clean slate and that meant me stepping down.

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Speaker 2: I hope for nothing but the best for the entire

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Speaker 2: Mets organization, and Steve Cohen saying Billy Euppler led this

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Speaker 2: a postseason birth last year and he will be missed.

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Speaker 2: We accepted Billy's resignation today as he decided is in

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Speaker 2: everyone's best interest to fully hand over the leadership of

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Speaker 2: baseball operations to David stern On behalf of the Mets organization.

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Speaker 2: Wish him all the best, And I mean, I that's

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Speaker 2: just kind of what it feels like I don't think

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Speaker 2: It was just there's a new guy in charge. Billy

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Speaker 2: Eppler is like, hey, like I've I've been here, I've

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Speaker 2: made my mark. Now it's time for me to move on.

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Speaker 2: It's time for us to go our separate ways. And

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Speaker 2: it's kind of shake hands and say thanks for what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's just kind of how even just like

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Speaker 3: to zoom out a little bit more like not just big, fancy, amazing,

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Speaker 3: generally want to work with people who you are connected with,

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Speaker 3: And not like saying that that was the reason here,

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Speaker 1: When we started this podcast, we did it because we

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Speaker 3: Like, not not gonna like just grab someone random on

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Speaker 3: It's just that's that's just the way the world goes.

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Speaker 3: And those words were good from Steve Cohen and again

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Speaker 3: I do think that while a lot of Mets fans

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Speaker 3: more than I would say, more than the average general

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, I know, Max Scherzer and Justin

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Speaker 2: past general managers, past moves haven't made. Mets really didn't

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Speaker 2: just four or five years ago now that Bryce Harper

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Speaker 1: And the fact that the Mets were linked to.

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Speaker 2: Two Hall of famers, the fact that Max Scherzer and

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Speaker 2: agent's a pitcher who also doesn't really in play for

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Speaker 3: Was the last couple of weeks. But that's I don't

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Speaker 3: which is amazing. Again for a guy who makes John

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Speaker 1: And he's making less.

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Speaker 3: Money annually than Chris Bryant and Ian Hap, which again

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Speaker 3: But I think that's a comparison where you're like, I'd

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Speaker 2: And I mean like when we were talking about them

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Speaker 2: in terms of re signing, Like it's very very hard

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Speaker 2: It's just great that we were able to get that done.

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Speaker 3: And someone who you know, became a leader, became someone

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Speaker 1: Out of six. It's gross. Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: And then this is the guy who you're like, now

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Speaker 3: He just turned thirty years old. And that's someone who

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Speaker 3: Turned thirty right before the season began. But as a

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Speaker 2: There was he was due to get cold at some point.

439
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Speaker 2: He made one bad pitch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's there's like some really funny narratives and

441
00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,120
Speaker 3: contexts that came out of that game, specifically on Monday Night,

442
00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,760
Speaker 3: where there's been so much discourse his entire postseason about

443
00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,520
Speaker 3: pitchers being left in, pitchers coming out, Jose Barrios, who's

444
00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,400
Speaker 3: been not so good for two straight years, only getting

445
00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,040
Speaker 3: four terrible. Yeah, and then you see a guy like

446
00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,760
Speaker 3: Zach Wheeler, who I think retired eighteen of the first

447
00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,320
Speaker 3: nineteen hitters he faced, the only got got on and

448
00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,680
Speaker 3: reached by an error, and he was just they were

449
00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,000
Speaker 3: swinging through everything. He was sitting, these pumping ninety seven

450
00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:42,840
Speaker 3: couldn't touch a thing.

451
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Speaker 1: The Braves.

452
00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,480
Speaker 3: They literally bring no hit through five innings, and the

453
00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,080
Speaker 3: Braves get a solo home run in the sixth, I

454
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Speaker 3: believe it was. And then Wheeler is still just one

455
00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,960
Speaker 3: run eighty five pitchers through six innings, and like you

456
00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,720
Speaker 3: saw the fastball lose a tick at the end, and

457
00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,280
Speaker 3: you saw him leave a few pitches over the middle,

458
00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,440
Speaker 3: But he's your ace. You leave him out there, and

459
00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,400
Speaker 3: then and everything changes, And then no one really talks

460
00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,120
Speaker 3: about that one when everyone talks about the other ones.

461
00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:04,920
Speaker 1: No.

462
00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,200
Speaker 2: I mean, like I knew that it was the wrong

463
00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,880
Speaker 2: decision to bring him back out. When there's this one

464
00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,480
Speaker 2: old guy. I won't mention who he is I follow

465
00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,919
Speaker 2: on Twitter. He'll have to guess if maybe you know,

466
00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,000
Speaker 2: maybe you're listening. But he tweeted out basically like, Phillies

467
00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,480
Speaker 2: look like they're gonna pull out Wheeler here.

468
00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,560
Speaker 1: That's the wrong decision. We'll see how that goes.

469
00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, the fact that he watched

470
00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,879
Speaker 2: him in the game, totally the wrong decision. Like this

471
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,280
Speaker 2: guy is never right about anything. I also gotta gotta

472
00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:29,760
Speaker 2: take a little bit blame for that one too, for

473
00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,719
Speaker 2: the Phillies fans, But honestly, it's elite level like content

474
00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,560
Speaker 2: for me because after the fifth inning, the Braves have

475
00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,280
Speaker 2: not scored a run in the fourteen innings of the

476
00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,320
Speaker 2: postseason tweet the Braves haven't scored a run in fourteen innings?

477
00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:41,879
Speaker 1: Did I hear that?

478
00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,160
Speaker 2: Surely that can't be true for the best offense. They

479
00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,240
Speaker 2: then went on to score runs in the next two

480
00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,320
Speaker 2: innings and they ended up winning that game, which is just,

481
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Speaker 2: I mean, incredible level of jinks by me.

482
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Speaker 1: There.

483
00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,560
Speaker 2: Braves fans are getting mad at me and also happy

484
00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,800
Speaker 2: at the same time on Twitter, which is so confused

485
00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,640
Speaker 2: and like we live rent free in your head. I'm like, guys,

486
00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,080
Speaker 2: you're not scial the only game on TV, Like this

487
00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,240
Speaker 2: is my job here to talk about baseball. But also

488
00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,600
Speaker 2: you should be you should be buying me gifts that

489
00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,800
Speaker 2: I tweeted that out because I did you guys a favor.

490
00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there was also there's a great other cu

491
00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,159
Speaker 3: by Ben Clemens today on Fangrafs just about like judging

492
00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,399
Speaker 3: when and went out to take a picture out of

493
00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,200
Speaker 3: the game using Wheelers kind of like a case study

494
00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,880
Speaker 3: and uh pulling tidbit from it with it through six

495
00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,720
Speaker 3: middle middle pitches the entire game. Three of them came

496
00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,760
Speaker 3: in the six and seventh innings of that outing.

497
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Speaker 2: I mean, these are even things like me and you

498
00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,959
Speaker 2: have talked about like off off camera where we're like,

499
00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,159
Speaker 2: Wheelers so great, but there is a clear point, just

500
00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,600
Speaker 2: like with most pictures, honestly, but there's a clear point

501
00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,320
Speaker 2: with Zach Wheeler. You're like, oh, you gotta get him

502
00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:37,480
Speaker 2: out of there. And it felt like at the end

503
00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:38,840
Speaker 2: of that sixth inning was the time to get him

504
00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:39,240
Speaker 2: out of there.

505
00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And again it would have been weird if it happened,

506
00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,160
Speaker 3: And who knows if the Phillies weapon actually have held

507
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,000
Speaker 3: him down with three run lead rather than a one

508
00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,879
Speaker 3: run lead, Like there's no there's literally no way to

509
00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,720
Speaker 3: know that. And even that sequencing that gave the Braize

510
00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,520
Speaker 3: lead and the Austin Rally home run, Jeff Hoffan had

511
00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,080
Speaker 3: blown him away with multiple fastballs to get ahead in

512
00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,359
Speaker 3: the account and then Roan Lacunya on a split there

513
00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,400
Speaker 3: that bounce. He stole second base because he got on before.

514
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,959
Speaker 3: I think either think with a wog, I would hit

515
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,160
Speaker 3: by pitch sneaky Ronald to Cooney just threw his elbow

516
00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,080
Speaker 3: in front of the pitch. No, nobody's talking about that,

517
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,840
Speaker 3: talking about that, but I mean, honestly's a good play.

518
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,480
Speaker 3: Like I'm not gonna chastise him for it's a good ball,

519
00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,440
Speaker 3: just saying he did it and that's okay. But he's

520
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 3: take second base because Ronald Cooney Junior and he sold

521
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,680
Speaker 3: seventy five to seventy three bases this year. And then

522
00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,320
Speaker 3: a splither got away from J. T. Real Muto and

523
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,040
Speaker 3: he got the third base. And the second that happened,

524
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,640
Speaker 3: my one friend I was watching the game with was like, oh,

525
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,040
Speaker 3: no more splithers, and I was like, oh, it sounds

526
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,639
Speaker 3: like a pretty goo points. Probably are no more splitters.

527
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,160
Speaker 3: Now he's on third base, and then Hopman then goes

528
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,440
Speaker 3: to the fastball, slyer, fastball, slider. He got the two

529
00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,760
Speaker 3: strikes to the fastball. He missed with a fastball and

530
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,280
Speaker 3: then missed with a slyther and then through a slide,

531
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Speaker 3: just totally backed up on him. I thought it was

532
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 3: a change up at tweet.

533
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:37,680
Speaker 1: That was a jam.

534
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 3: It looked like a change up, and he's throwing a

535
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Speaker 3: change up in the past. But that was just it

536
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:42,879
Speaker 3: wasn't even he didn't put a good swing ont of

537
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 3: the Austin Riley just got right out, and that was

538
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,440
Speaker 3: kind of it. That's and even had they probably even

539
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,600
Speaker 3: made a really good chance to win that game, Michael

540
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,320
Speaker 3: Harris doesn't make a ridiculous catch jumping into the wall.

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that was That was a pretty disgusting play

542
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 2: and great throw and great play by Austin Riley as well,

543
00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 2: backing up, like what are you even doing there?

544
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,159
Speaker 1: Why are you standing there?

545
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 3: That well, they Mike Petrielli put out and David Adler

546
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,200
Speaker 3: also did on one of them, probably took it from

547
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 3: the other one. They both were criminal baseball and I'm

548
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 3: not gonna use the words stole, but they it looked

549
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 3: like Riley was almost actively celebrating and then saw the

550
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 3: ball because they had they put like an animation up

551
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 3: because they didn't have the actual camera view from that spot.

552
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,360
Speaker 3: But MLB has like, I think it's probably hawkire track

553
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 3: man that tracks everyone's movements on the field, and he

554
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 3: looked he was like skipping and jumping and he put

555
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,159
Speaker 3: hands up like he was like yes. But then I

556
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 3: think the second to cut off throw came. He started

557
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 3: moving towards the middle of the field because he's like,

558
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 3: I might as well be here, why not, I'm playing baseball,

559
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,160
Speaker 3: and then he just scoops it in one swift motion

560
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 3: makes that play. He also the inning before when the

561
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 3: Phillies were threatening men on, Austin Riley made two innings

562
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 3: before an amazing play basically going over shoulder in foul

563
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 3: territory catch the ball right against the tarp. One of

564
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 3: the worst things that's happened in baseball in the last

565
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 3: couple of years is Austin Riley becoming like a legit

566
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 3: MVP player who is incredible on both sides of the ball,

567
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 3: and his like the steps he's taken on defense from

568
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen to now are remarkable and slot of credit

569
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 3: to him, lot of credits Ron Washington and just his

570
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 3: defense did somehow hidden as offense as well, like somehow

571
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 3: saved this game for.

572
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Speaker 1: The Braves and save their entire season.

573
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: It's not fair. It's not fair, all right, gut reaction.

574
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 2: Who's winning the series?

575
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 3: Braves?

576
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

577
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 2: I got Braves too. I think that game just I

578
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 2: don't think that game killed the Phillies. I think it's

579
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 2: actually gonna go five, which is great for like the

580
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 2: chaos scenario, because it does look like the Diamondbacks are

581
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 2: going to kind of take care of business with the Dodgers.

582
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 2: We'll find out on Wednesday night as well if they

583
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 2: end up sweeping there.

584
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: But a five game series isn't the worst thing to happen, No, totally.

585
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Speaker 2: I think it's also especially because Braves fans have been

586
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 2: complaining about that big time off. You don't want to

587
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: get too much time off for these Braves, you know, well,

588
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 2: they can't play baseball.

589
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 3: Then I was about to say that that was I'd

590
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 3: love talking about this because I mean, they go why

591
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 3: not here? But I think that was one of the

592
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Speaker 3: absolute worst showings of any fan base group of beat

593
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 3: riders that we've probably ever had like in recent years,

594
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 3: just because simply I don't think they realized that with

595
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 3: those extra off days they lined up for a five

596
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 3: game series that four games started by their best two

597
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 3: pitchers be to Stryither and Max Freed, Which is like,

598
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 3: when you'd see that that is the case, and you

599
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 3: had you lost a game one, which is Spencer Stryver

600
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 3: versus Ranger Suarez, how can you not see the massive

601
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 3: advantage that you have based on the format of this playoffs? Like,

602
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 3: how can you not see that end with the off

603
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 3: day on the Monday in between that game the opportunity

604
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 3: to start for their five best players in the five

605
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 3: game series. You also have a situation where you got

606
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 3: to completely burn through your bullpen a day. Yesday, you

607
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 3: were able to pull Max Street early as because he's

608
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Speaker 3: the one who had a long lefet he hadn't pitched

609
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 3: over two weeks, but that was because he was dealing

610
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 3: with a blister injury.

611
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, a blistering injury. Whatever.

612
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 3: But have a situation where you're able to go to

613
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Speaker 3: Kirby Eates and aj mintor early in the game, and

614
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 3: you're not able to worry because they just had an

615
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Speaker 3: opting they're gonna have one again tomorrow.

616
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Speaker 1: Hoot.

617
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Speaker 2: How about how Charlie Morten is probably gonna pitch Game

618
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 2: three and he would not have been able to pitch

619
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Speaker 2: if they were playing in the Wildcord Series.

620
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Speaker 1: He was not ready.

621
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Speaker 2: So like, yeah, the complaints about like the days off

622
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Speaker 2: being too much, it's like, oh, please get over yourself. Ever,

623
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Speaker 2: did the Astros.

624
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: Complain about the days off by a chance? It's a

625
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 1: team that's been there a few times, won the World Series

626
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: last year with the extra days off. Yeah, it's just

627
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: it was so late, and then now you don't hear

628
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: a word about it because they won a game.

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh god, I was. I was really really

630
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: hoping that they would lose. One of the few times

631
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 2: ever in my life i'd say go Phillies. But I'm

632
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: still root for the Phillies. I want the Phillies to

633
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: knock them out.

634
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 3: I was with some Philly people on Saturday, shout out

635
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 3: friend Emily her birthday. Her brothers are big Philly people,

636
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 3: and I was like actively screaming and cheering just for

637
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 3: the Phillies. Like I was in a bar with a

638
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: couple of Philly people, being like yes, yes, yes, like

639
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 3: actively cheering, like yeah for the Phillies. I was like,

640
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 3: I tweet about it only for this scenario. Yeah, this

641
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 3: is the only time is ever gonna happen. Like literally,

642
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 3: if they play any other team Baseball besides Yankees, I

643
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: no longer care at all.

644
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: But this is it for the Braves is so strong

645
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: that I'll root for the team that I hate second

646
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: most or third most whatever.

647
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: It is, no for sure, and that that's where it is.

648
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 3: Like that's what the playoffs do. They they galvanize people,

649
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 3: and that's what's happened.

650
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: Yep. So I mean Diamondbacks time Backs looking great.

651
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, want some other Mets fans like let us know,

652
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 3: like either get in the comments, like respond to us

653
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: on Twitter, YouTube, like tell us who you're rooting for

654
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 3: in the series, or even if you even have, like

655
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 3: just anything in your heart to bring yourself to watch

656
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 3: it because it's I think it's a funny conundrum for

657
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Speaker 3: US Mets fans.

658
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Speaker 1: Yeah that you got the two to two Ozero series

659
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Speaker 1: going on right now.

660
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Speaker 2: Orioles are gonna play the Rangers in about an hour

661
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: from when we're recording this, with a game away from

662
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: being swept in the Alds.

663
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about the Orioles right now.

664
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Speaker 2: This would be the one I think that they could steal,

665
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: maybe just because it's like, I don't know, every time

666
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: that you think like a team's probably just gonna run

667
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: away with it feels like that's when the opposing team

668
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: could just kind of come in and sneak one away.

669
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Speaker 2: And the Oriols have been swinging the bat better, like

670
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 2: they put up eight runs in the game that they

671
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: lost or whatever. But man, that Rangers offense kind of

672
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: similar to the to the Diamondbacks, Like they've just been

673
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: hot and the pitching has been good enough.

674
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think another thing that's just important is

675
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: that when you get into these postseason series, like sometimes

676
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 3: it's like really corny, but sometimes being there means a lot.

677
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 3: And I don't think anybody in this Orioles team has

678
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 3: even been there.

679
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: Let's see, has there been anybody that I can think

680
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 2: of that's been the most season on this team?

681
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: Adam Frazier maybe with the Padres.

682
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean the Mariners. Technically last year he was there,

683
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 3: I win a game.

684
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: He was there was not.

685
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 3: I mean Hicks Hicks, Aaron Hicks. That's the Ones, Aaron Hicks,

686
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: and who's playing the best on the whole team is

687
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 3: Aaron Hicks, legendary outfielder and James mccannal boys.

688
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: You look at the Rangers, they've got a lot of

689
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 2: playoff experience despite not being with the Rangers. Like Nathan

690
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: Evald the playoff stud. That guy's an absolute beast in

691
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Marcus Simon has them with the A's Cory

692
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 2: Seeger obviously has them with the Dodgers with how many

693
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: series that they lose.

694
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: You go to the outfield, maybe not as much. Evan Carter,

695
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: what what a beast? Seven Carter? Is that guy such

696
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: a good ball player? Yeah, he's really good enough.

697
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: Jack Flayery also again, of course I don't look you

698
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: heard me, but James mccannon also has postseason experience.

699
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard you. I chose to just ignore that one.

700
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: And Kyle Gibson might got Kyle Gibson, Yeah, your guy,

701
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 3: Kyle Gibson got so boring.

702
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 2: Anything else to talk about here with the postseason, I mean,

703
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: the series have been relatively straightforward.

704
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 3: I mean I think it's I think it's used. I mean,

705
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 3: the wild card has all happened. Also, since that we spoke.

706
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 3: I think, I think you got a lot predictions right

707
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: for that guy, a lot of predictions wrong. I don't

708
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 3: even remember. I think a lot of my predictions change

709
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 3: between recording the show and then us like talking about

710
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 3: it before on your stream. But I think, I think,

711
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 3: I think the big story is the Snakes, the Arizona Diamondbacks,

712
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: led by the absolutely unflappable Tommy fam They all they're

713
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 3: doing is just all they're doing is crushing the Dodgers,

714
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 3: a team that, if anyone has a good head, would

715
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: have liked this playoff format than the Dodgers because they

716
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: have no pictures anyways. You can line them up whatever

717
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 3: you want and didn't matter at all because the Diamondbacks

718
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,479
Speaker 3: have eight first inning runs in two games already against them.

719
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: It's there's no tradition quite like the Dodgers, just just

720
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 3: just flapping their wings and having nothing not flying and

721
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: once October hits and something else funny. This is something

722
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: I showed told you yesterday. This is a tweet here somewhere,

723
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 3: and be trying to think about like before this game tomorrow.

724
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: The Dodgers only have had success in the playoffs after

725
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: a sixty game regular season, which I think all baseball

726
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: fans can agree really didn't count because a lot of

727
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: what baseball is the attrition of one to sixty two

728
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: and then finding your way afterwards. I think it's what

729
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 3: technically we've said it before. It's it's it's like what

730
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: seven twenty seven percent championship, thirty five percent of championship,

731
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 3: whatever that number is.

732
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: I'll run the numbers real quickly. Divided by one sixty two,

733
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: it comes out to thirty seven.

734
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 3: Percent seven percent of a regular season, So you get

735
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 3: about thirty seven percent of a ring, which is pretty good.

736
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 3: I mean again, it's more than the Mets have had

737
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: in the last couple decades. So I respect that part

738
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 3: of it. But after sixty games of this season's kind

739
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 3: of hilarious Diamonbacks, Dodgers were tied to top the AL West,

740
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 3: they both twenty five. So again, in Dodger's world, this

741
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 3: is really even matchup, like they should not have been

742
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: favorites at all. Now it's being proven that way.

743
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean tip the cap to us. We both had

744
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: the Diamonbacks going on to the NLCS. It's not done yet.

745
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: They still got to win a game.

746
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: But uh, Tommy fam playing well, My favorite former met

747
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: Paul Sewald shutting the door, and you know, even gangly

748
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: Miguel Castro getting some big outs for them. I'm the

749
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: Snakes are a fun team. If they make it to

750
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: the NLCS, shout out a Dalton, your friend, We're going.

751
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to Arizona.

752
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: Shoutout Dalton, shallow, Christian, it works the works of the

753
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: org My boy.

754
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: Yep, and uh Astros, they look back.

755
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: I know it is. This is the runaway train, as

756
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 3: they always are.

757
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: What's this time? Right where they want you, right where

758
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: they want you?

759
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: Snuck in and Christian Javier is like, oh, I remember

760
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: how to pitch, and you're like, oh, so now they

761
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: have a really good team. And it could be a

762
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: battle of Texas in the American League, which.

763
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: Kind of fun, kind of fun, kind of fun.

764
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: It's good because like it's a weird rivalry because it's

765
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: new because the Astros changing leagues obviously, but this would

766
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: do a lot for Texas rivalry becoming a real thing

767
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 2: in baseball.

768
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: I also think that the newness of it, a lot

769
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: of it has become from this year where the Astros

770
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: have this quiet cockiness, but for so much of the

771
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 3: season the Rangers were dominating, and they were kind of

772
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 3: loud about that. They're like the new new kids on

773
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 3: the block, and a lot of that was born out

774
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 3: in the difference in their celebrations. There was great memes

775
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: about it where the Rangers were like legit pouring champagne

776
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: all over each other for just reaching the postseason. And

777
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: when the Astras clinched theydn't when they just clinched the postseason,

778
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 3: they like ghost. They did the toast, which I think

779
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 3: was really funny. It's a gret picture of our land.

780
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: Or he's just like, yeah, here's a little champagne for me.

781
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: One sip onto business next day. And they had the

782
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: real party when they clinched the vision and then Bregman

783
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: had a great line that they shotowed out today in

784
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: the broadcast Prisinski and Wayne know who I hate to

785
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: say a Mets fans, Madam Wayne Wright.

786
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: It might be a gem in the booth.

787
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 3: He sone a good job in terms of pitchers that

788
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: I've hated watching pitch against the Mets. He's by far

789
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: my favorite announcer so far far. It's not even closed.

790
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: But it was a great line from Bregmant where he

791
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: went up to forgot who was doing the the Ferducci

792
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: was Reducci, the guy in the locker room during the celebration,

793
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: That's the thing. It wasn't him that because it was

794
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: someone at Bregman was like, yeah, I know you guys

795
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 3: are talking about like how you think, how you think

796
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: we're gonna do if we're gonna win the division? Sorry,

797
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: sorry he couldn't find out. No, he said you're never

798
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: gonna know or something like that.

799
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, some cockiness. Yeah I like this and no I

800
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: respect that.

801
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, something else to shout out, Javier, you said a

802
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: great game today. He had thirteen Slyther sweeper whiffs. Is Adam

803
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: Wainwright very correctly? I called him on the broadcast on

804
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: sixteen swings.

805
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

806
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: Jordan Alvarez just went yard again in the postseason in

807
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: the ninth inning off Bailey Ober, which that is not

808
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: a good sign for the Twins. They are down seven

809
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: to one, gonna be down two one in the series,

810
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: with a chance to be knocked out on Wednesday night.

811
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: You don't like to say that, but thirteen thirteen slitherer

812
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: wiffs sweeper whiffs on sixteen swings good for eight one percent,

813
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: and it sounds like he's back in the lamp that

814
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 3: was predominantly lefty. You know, Saya's had a great tweet

815
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: today that his release point kind of changed how year,

816
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: and his fastball towards the second half of the year,

817
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: he got a little bit more extension on it, and

818
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: that got a lot of his life back that he

819
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: was missing. And it is a predominantly two pitch pitcher.

820
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: When one pitch is not working, it's also he kind

821
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: of usually just sits ninety three, ninety four, ninety five ish. Yeah,

822
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: it's hard when that shape isn't there, it's just going

823
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: to get hit, and that's happened the first half. But

824
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: changing that release point a little bit, that got his

825
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: life back and now he's once again amazing. That's really

826
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: good news to the Astros.

827
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of amazing pitchers, you see a guy in Japan,

828
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: Yo Shinobo Yamamoto.

829
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 3: I did I've heard he won the Triple Crown again.

830
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: Pitching Triple Crown.

831
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: Pretty incredible year, probably one of the best pitching years

832
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: in MPB history, after doing it for I think the

833
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: last two years as well. You know, he's a big

834
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: free agent that's going to be coming to Major League

835
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: Baseball this offseason.

836
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: Me's have been linked to him. Hopefully we could get him, that'd.

837
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: Be great, but we'll see how it goes with the

838
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: Ocehanobu and just just know that he's pretty darn good.

839
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, theird consecutive triple crown twenty five.

840
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: Years old, not bad.

841
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: And then the other cool thing that came out of Japan,

842
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: which last thing we'll talk about here, Rintaro Sasaki.

843
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: He is like the best high school prospect in Japan.

844
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: And normally you just go to the MPB draft, just

845
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: like you with a Major league draft, and you get drafted,

846
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: you go to your team. He has decided he is

847
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: not gonna go to the MPB. He's gonna come to

848
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: America play college baseball. I don't think he's picked a

849
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: school yet. I think Vandy is the favorite right now.

850
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: But that is so huge. He has the most home

851
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: runs in high school history in Japan. Which did you

852
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: did you.

853
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: Catch the number by any chance, James, how many he

854
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: hit in high school? It was like one forty or something,

855
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: one fifty.

856
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: One hundred and forty home runs as a high school

857
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: or granted, they play a lot of games there, I

858
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: mean like the Koshien Tournament that they do in Japan

859
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: is just out of control.

860
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: Literally every team in Japan just plays each other.

861
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: It's just one massive tournament with one winner at the end,

862
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: and the picture throws like every single day for a month.

863
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: But he's like one of the most interesting Japanese high

864
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: school prospects that I've seen a long time. Obviously like

865
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: Otani and stuff, but the fact that he's made a

866
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: choice to come to America play college, not get paid.

867
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: He can't have nil either because the international player. It's

868
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: a huge deal for MPB Baseball. Probably a little bit

869
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: scary too for them.

870
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: Something interesting about that. Kyle McDaniel from ESPN formerly fangrets

871
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: to the great article about this nice couple of little

872
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: blurbs about why is his relevant? Why is interesting in

873
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: like kind of how he grades on the scouting scale.

874
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: But he did say that while he can't do nil

875
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: deals in America, he can take a page out of

876
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: Oscar Sheboy's book the Kentucky Center from these and Yukon

877
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: from the last couple of years, he can do nil

878
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: outside of America. Still so it, but also who cares.

879
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: It also depends on the visa that he eventually signs.

880
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: If it's an f horn student visa. Then he cannot

881
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 3: have off campus employment unless it's part of his academic

882
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: program of study, which is interesting, but she way. I

883
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: think this year and last year when he played in

884
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: the Bahamas, he did all on al stuff, which is

885
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: very kind of funny, honestly, but that is.

886
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: Kind of funny. Yeah.

887
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: The cool thing about Sasaki also is that this could

888
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it will, but it'd be really interesting

889
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: if this this signal a bit of a trend for

890
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: young Japanese players. I remember years ago. I think it

891
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: was five is years ago when we were seniors.

892
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there was more than five years ago.

893
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: Six years was way more than five years ago.

894
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: In college and college and college five five, six years ago,

895
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 3: Darius Basley was the first high school basketball player to

896
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: take a deal with the G League. Yes, then he

897
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: did that. He did at the same time he had

898
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: a that deal with New Balance and he was making

899
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: some money. And that has led to the last few

900
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: years of guys like Scoot Henderson and I think a

901
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: couple of guys maybe the Thompson Twins.

902
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, the Thompson Twins played in the Overtime League.

903
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: I don't remember what exactly what it's called. But they

904
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: played in the Overtime League. LaMelo went to Australia.

905
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: And going to college, played in the G League where

906
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: it was a situation where these players kind of saw

907
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: that maybe their time wasn't the best spent in the

908
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: league that you know, they were expected to go to.

909
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: And I think there is something about this. We've heard

910
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: Shoho tan you talk a lot in the past that

911
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: it's just kind of part of Japanese culture where did

912
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: be like being a young star doesn't kind of afford

913
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: you the same level of opportunities, and certain other countries

914
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: that again a lot of their cultural norms there where

915
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: it's a lot about experience, about precision, like that's just

916
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: things that that country, that culture is based on. So

917
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: a guy like Sasaki, who it's also funny his name

918
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: is Sasaki, which is the same as rookie Sasaki, the

919
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: best catcher over there that everyone just got to see

920
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 3: in the World Baseball class last year there was one

921
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 3: hundred miles an hour. But just going to school again,

922
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: we don't know where he's going to go. He's rumored Vanderbilt.

923
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm sure all the big schools are gonna given an

924
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: offer because he has seventy grade power, He's two hundred

925
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 3: and fifty pounds an eighteen year old.

926
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: He's just crazy.

927
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: But just having seen the way these college hitters have developed,

928
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 3: especially in the SEC over the last few years, you

929
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: probably see a quicker path to major League Baseball then

930
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: when if you would have had to play and then

931
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: post sometime in the twenty thirties. And I think that

932
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: is something that she's probably can get the eye of

933
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: a lot of the scouting community.

934
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: And this is super interesting too, because if you remember

935
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, I think it was the Braves' first

936
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: round pick, Carter Stewart was drafted by the Braves and

937
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: said I'm actually going to go play in Japan instead

938
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: immediately out of high school.

939
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: He hasn't had the greatest of success. I think he

940
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: had a pretty good year this year in the MPB

941
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: as a twenty three year old.

942
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: It was kind of like one of the first actually

943
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: this was the first time he got to the like

944
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: the major league level of the MPB had been in

945
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: the minor leagues. But that one kind of backfired. So

946
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: that's it's interesting. I mean, he's still twenty three, could

947
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: still come over.

948
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure whenever he wants.

949
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: But for sure and worst case scenario for Zaki, like

950
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: he's gonna get American education, a great American university again,

951
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 3: Vanderbilt is the rule.

952
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: He could probably go play in the MPB if he

953
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: wants again.

954
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah you figure out and yeah MPB high school baseball

955
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: and Japan. I'll understand it very well. But to my knowledge,

956
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: is probably a little bit less velocity as that's coming

957
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: at these guys. It's gonna be interesting to see if

958
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 3: he does act on me the SEC pitching right away,

959
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: like where that where these ninety like mid nineties fastballs

960
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: come out of him, and see how that he adjusts.

961
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: But I just think in terms of what's going, like

962
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: where baseball is going, how worldly of the sports being,

963
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: like how many successful players we've seen come more from

964
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 3: the MPB the last few years, like this just reduced

965
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: as simply as possible. It's really really interesting and it's

966
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: gonna give him a lot more opportunities for development, maybe

967
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 3: more than he would have had in Japan.

968
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: Also huge for college baseball. Huge to have something like

969
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: this happen.

970
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: Now that there's gonna be like this Japanese theoretical star

971
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: playing at college baseball in the United States, Like you

972
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: just got a Japanese fan base too now with your team,

973
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: something that college baseball hasn't really gotten.

974
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: Before, and really interesting to see if he does still

975
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 3: take advantage of the nil and depending on the visa

976
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: that he winds up with, depending on what happens there,

977
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: because it's something that probably I'm never gonna give the

978
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: NCAA credit ever for anything, but like, this is probably

979
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: something that I don't even know if they would have

980
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 3: expected being like, because I think everyone focuses so much

981
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: in college based basketball, football and mostly football and basketball secondary,

982
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: especially this time of year. But this is a weird,

983
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: weird consequence of that I think is kind of cool.

984
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, definitely very cool. We'll keep you guys post

985
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,200
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986
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