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Speaker 1: Jmax picks in thirty minutes. First though, Eric Mangini, Jets

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Speaker 1: Brown's former head coach now with Fox Sports, is joining

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Speaker 1: us live. So as somebody who lives in Cleveland, the

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Speaker 1: Shaduur Sanders you know story, considering he has the lowest

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Speaker 1: rated receiving core and a bottom three oer line, I've

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Speaker 1: actually been impressed. Now, Cleveland doesn't always have you know,

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Speaker 1: they get a little hot on their quarterbacks, right Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're not measured in nuanced with take, but

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Speaker 1: what is the feeling he's a big play quarterback. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I trust my eyes. He's looked pretty good. He's not

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Speaker 1: working with much offensively. What have you made of him?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So going into the draft, everybody felt Shador was

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Speaker 3: going to be drafted significantly higher. And I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of people in Cleveland felt Shador was going to

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Speaker 3: be drafted to Cleveland significantly higher. So then when he

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Speaker 3: ended up being here and got drafted after Dylan Gabriel,

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Speaker 3: there was frustration on the fan basis part because they

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Speaker 3: were told how good this player was, and so then

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Speaker 3: he sat, he sat, And now he's finally getting an

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Speaker 3: opportunity to play, and he's definitely getting graded on a

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Speaker 3: curve Colin because when you look at the Tennessee game,

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Speaker 3: he made some really good plays, and then he made

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Speaker 3: some plays that you think, Okay, this is going to

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Speaker 3: be a problem. That one interception that he threw was

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Speaker 3: just ridiculous. He shouldn't have done that. And then you know,

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Speaker 3: the sacks were an issue in college and I think

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Speaker 3: they're going to continue to be an issue in pro football.

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Speaker 3: But the plays that he makes outside the pocket, those

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Speaker 3: are exciting. And as you said, in Cleveland, there's such

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Speaker 3: a desperation for any optimism at quarterback that the game

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Speaker 3: last week, even in a loss to Tennessee, was still

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Speaker 3: really exciting to most people.

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Speaker 1: It does matter when you play in a city like

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Speaker 1: Cleveland that starved for wins, or let's take Buffalo, where

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Speaker 1: you know you have the Sabers, but it's at Bill's town.

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Speaker 1: And I said, if they lose to New England, the

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Speaker 1: headline Monday is going to be Vrabel wins Division year one,

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Speaker 1: the second year quarterback. And I mean Greg Cozell was

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Speaker 1: on this week and said, I don't love Buffalo's roster.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to spot great players beyond Josh Allen when

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Speaker 1: you watch tape. And I said, this game is way

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Speaker 1: bigger Monday morning getting swept by Vrabel when you have

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Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the league in Josh Allen. Now,

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Speaker 1: you lived in New York, where there's a million in

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Speaker 1: sports teams, but Cleveland when you were.

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Speaker 4: There, Browns are big.

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Speaker 1: Your take on, let's just say Buffalo loses this weekend.

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Speaker 1: You've lived in that world where talk radio things get ugly.

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Speaker 4: People take me too. What it could be like for McDermott.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it can be really hard this year, especially because

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Speaker 3: it looks like we're not going to have Mahomes in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs. It looks like we're not potentially not going

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Speaker 3: to have Lamar Jackson in the playoffs. We're not going

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Speaker 3: to have Joe Burrow in the playoffs. So the only

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Speaker 3: real Superman left in the AFC is Josh Allen, and

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Speaker 3: if this year would be the ideal year to be

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Speaker 3: able to have that number one seed with all these

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Speaker 3: other stars and franchises that you've had problems with essentially eliminated,

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Speaker 3: and now within your own division, you've got a second

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Speaker 3: and they're going to win the division.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I think Buffalo is going to win the game, Colin,

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Speaker 3: and I think that the last time they played New England,

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Speaker 3: they didn't take New England very seriously. Remember Buffalo was

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Speaker 3: riding that eleven game home win streak they'd won I

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Speaker 1: So you were with the Patriots and you know, dynasties

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. And frankly, they've got two or three really

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Speaker 1: great players, you know, McDuffie, Creed, Humphrey Mahomes. But Chris

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Speaker 1: They have major problems at all over it, but especially

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Speaker 1: super Bowls, they were good and winning the division. Is

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Speaker 1: some of this just Sean Payton and Jim Harbaugh showed

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Speaker 1: up in your neighborhood or is it a roster regression?

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Speaker 4: Like what was the secret sauce to you? Beyond? Because

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Speaker 4: they've got Red.

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Speaker 1: And Mahomes, you had Brady and Belichick and you kept winning.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, you tell me what you see with

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Speaker 3: Well, in fairness to Kansas City comments, what three straight

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Speaker 5: Two out of three? That's hard.

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Speaker 3: Those extended off seasons are really hard on the team.

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Speaker 3: And then you come back and you do it again.

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Speaker 3: So they win two straight. Then they've got a chance

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Speaker 3: last year to win three straight. So that's three off

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Speaker 3: seasons that have been dramatically shortened. You don't get the

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Speaker 3: high draft picks, and it can be extremely challenging and

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Speaker 3: it wears you down. And I think that's what we're

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Speaker 3: seeing right now is this is an off year. And

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Speaker 3: it's been a really off year for Patrick Mahomes. His

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Speaker 3: sub twenty quarterback rating that was lower than any quarterback

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Speaker 3: rating Tom ever got in his twenty three year career.

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Speaker 3: So and he struggled here now for well over a month.

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Speaker 3: But as long as they have Patrick Mahomes every single year,

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Speaker 3: they're going to have a chance to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Like forget about the rest of the players. They're going

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Speaker 3: to need other good players. But as long as you

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Speaker 3: have that player, just like as long as we had

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady, you always had a chance, they're going to

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Speaker 3: have a chance. They just may need a little bit

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Speaker 3: of a real offseason and a little bit more of

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Speaker 3: a reset. And I think next year we're going to

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Speaker 3: be talking about him again being the mix for the

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Speaker 3: AC championship in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: A lot of discussion about how talented Caleb Williams is,

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Speaker 1: but how low is completion percentage is. And I do

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Speaker 1: think there's a fine line on letting a star be

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Speaker 1: a star and understanding they're gonna have a few more picks.

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Speaker 1: They're more aggressive. Brett Farbes just an aggressive player, and

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Speaker 1: I think Josh Allen he's an aggressive player. How troubled

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Speaker 1: would you be with Caleb at fifty eight percent? Is

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Speaker 1: there a line you want to get up to? Because

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Speaker 1: we see him make incredibly difficult throws. We know he's

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Speaker 1: got all sorts of horse power. He may have the

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Speaker 1: Where are you on his completion issues?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I don't love a fifty eight percent completion.

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Speaker 3: You'd probably want to be somewhere. I think the league

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Speaker 3: average is about sixty four percent, So that's that the

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Speaker 3: low point.

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Speaker 5: That's that's what we're gunning for.

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Speaker 3: What I really like that Caleb's done is how dramatically

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Speaker 3: he's changed the number of sacks that he's taken. Think

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Speaker 3: about last year, the volume of sacks this guy took.

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Speaker 3: And we could kill the offensive line, and we can

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Speaker 3: kill the offensive coordinator, and I get all that, but

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Speaker 3: a lot of those sacks were on him, and he's

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Speaker 3: doing a much better job. And Ben Johnson's doing a

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Speaker 3: that's been great, huge progress there. He protects the ball

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Speaker 3: pretty well. That's that's really really good. Yeah, the completion

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Speaker 3: percentage I think will continue to creep up as he

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Speaker 3: But he's corrected two pretty significant problems that we saw

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Speaker 3: propensity for turnovers. They're not perfect, but a huge progress.

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Speaker 1: All right, before we go to our video the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was cringey, had this positivity bunny and

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Speaker 1: maybe if you were on a six game winning streak

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Speaker 1: it's funny, but when you're losing, it seems desperate.

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Speaker 4: What'd you make of it?

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Speaker 5: I don't know who put it up.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, sometimes the offensive lineman or you know,

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Speaker 3: it's it's now lay it's it's something where there should

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Speaker 3: be nothing. And and I do imagine that it was

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Speaker 3: imagine this was Sirianni saying, hey, fellas, you know we

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Speaker 3: need in the locker room a positivity bunny.

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Speaker 5: That that's the answer.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know who was responsible for it, but

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Speaker 3: I'm glad it's gone.

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Speaker 1: So I suggested, I said, what I Philip Rivers. You

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Speaker 1: watch Kirk Cousins, and Kirk Cousins is dealing why because

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Speaker 1: he never relied on athleticism. Tom Brady forty four years old,

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Speaker 1: quite as good because he did rely somewhat on his athleticism.

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Speaker 1: look at Philip Rivers and I'm like, he didn't running

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Speaker 1: his prime. He was probably the least athletic quarterback in

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Speaker 1: Indy he was great. And I'm like, listen, they got

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Speaker 1: a good run game, a good old line.

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Speaker 4: You don't want.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there for seven seconds. I could see a

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Speaker 1: world where he stabilizes the offense.

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Speaker 4: Am I nuts?

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Speaker 3: I think you might be nuts. You're absolutely right in

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Speaker 3: the fact that he's the quarterbacks that have not had

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Speaker 3: The thing that I've always saw with Jordan Love is

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons I like a Darnald or a

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Speaker 4: Does Eric man JINGI good seeing coach.

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Speaker 3: Great seeing you talk to you soon, Colin.

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Speaker 4: All right, Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Now this is the herd Line news.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's get started with the AFC East. It's

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Speaker 7: We're doing everything that we can to prepare as hard

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Speaker 2: What's at stake, but I.

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Speaker 7: Don't think that's gonna influencing anything. It's the next game.

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Speaker 7: It's the biggest game that we have because it's the

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Speaker 4: So a lot of people Colin are saying, oh, it

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Speaker 1: That Bill's not a great matchup because Jacksonville runs the ball.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is in the building.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's talk through this. Bills lose this game, losing

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Speaker 4: the first round. Whatever do you move? You move off

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Speaker 4: McDermott and the GM.

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Speaker 1: I move off McDermott. I have long discussions with the GM.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know if here's the problem, Colin, where

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Speaker 1: I'd go find an offensive coach. There's a coordinator at

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Speaker 4: I just think the market is a little bleak, like

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Speaker 1: By the way, by the way, I have Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: If Josh Allen's your quarterback, every good offense to the

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Speaker 4: Will take a call. You got to take a call.

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Speaker 1: Okay, dan Abel by the way, he's already coached there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah he was. He's apparently the guy who saved Allan.

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Speaker 4: But we'll see. Oh, Stefanski, how about that is a

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Speaker 1: There'll be no shortage of top offensive guys for Josh Allen.

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Speaker 4: what Mangini had to say about about Patrick Mahomes. Mind

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Speaker 4: blowing stats. Colin, how about this one. They have an

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Speaker 4: I might have asked you that every day this week.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to send a message Chiefs fans. All right,

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Speaker 4: final story, Let's go to the Miami Dolphins, one of

440
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Speaker 4: the quieter turnaround stories in the league. Absolutely, you know

441
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Speaker 4: they won five or six. I mean people had buried

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Speaker 4: buried myself included McDaniel. There was that game in London

443
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Speaker 4: where he went for it on fourth down, like kick

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Speaker 4: the field goal, win the damn game. They ended up

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Speaker 4: winning in overtime. But Monday night, Colin in Pittsburgh, we

446
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Speaker 4: got an early weather report high of twenty two degrees

447
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Speaker 4: and there could be snow. Tua was asked about the

448
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Speaker 4: weather report, what do you think? Twas said, it's football.

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Speaker 4: I guess they told you about it. Yeah, Tua obviously

450
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Speaker 4: playing all the saying all the right things, right, The

451
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Speaker 4: reality is they've really struggled in inclement weather.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 4: Now, they did win against the Jets Vicesburgh. Is the

454
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Speaker 4: side here? Well, TJ Watt, I'm sure you read the story.

455
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Speaker 4: He's got like a lung thing within the hospital. Ain't

456
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Speaker 4: no way he's playing sunny. Sorry like that. JJ Watt's

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Speaker 4: out there chiming in on it now like we're thankful

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Speaker 4: my brother's Okay. I do like the Dolphins, but two

459
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Speaker 4: in cold weather two and seven passer rating of seventy nine.

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Speaker 4: It was the Jets last week.

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Speaker 1: Let's simmer down at Jmack the News.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The.

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Speaker 1: Herd line Morrow's headlines today the Picks Next.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: Well, it's week fifteen to the NFL season playoff implications

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Speaker 1: heating up. Teams are on the bubble, fighting for relevance,

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Speaker 1: division leaders trying to protect their spots. Jmack believes he

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Speaker 1: knows how it will all shake out. First up, I've

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Speaker 1: already made my pick on this one. Raven's trying to rebound.

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Speaker 1: Bengals trying to spoil tomorrow's headlines Today, Ravens and the Bengals.

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Speaker 4: It's just tough. A couple themes This weekend rematches are big.

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Speaker 4: I'm betting on a lot of coaches who are dominant

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Speaker 4: in December. This one, this is a tough one. Ravens Bengals,

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Speaker 4: a rematch from Thanksgiving. The headline will be lamar and order, defense, arrests,

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Speaker 4: offense restores AFC. Now again, everybody out there saying basically

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Speaker 4: the same thing. Baltimore's broken, Lamar's slow, Warren Buffett the

479
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Speaker 4: great investor. Hey, everybody's fleeing, that's the time to jump in.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to buy Baltimore low here, Okay, I do

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Speaker 4: believe we see a better effort than what we saw

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Speaker 4: on Thanksgiving. Colin. I went back and read that game.

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Speaker 4: Five turnovers by the Ravens against the Bengals, who I

484
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Speaker 4: believe at the time were the worst defense in the league.

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Speaker 4: I went and looked at and they were up seven

486
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Speaker 4: to six. Isaiah likely about to score fumbles out of

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Speaker 4: the end zone, so instead of fourteen to six, Bengals

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Speaker 4: get the ball back. Then Lamar fumbles at his own fifteen.

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Speaker 4: He had a rough game on Thanksgiving. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: maybe early, I don't know what's going on. Then he

491
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Speaker 4: had the red zone pick. I don't think they'll play

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Speaker 4: that poorly. Bengals will see I don't know what to

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Speaker 4: expect with this. Joe Burrow these comments. Do you think

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Speaker 4: that impacts the locker room at all? Because Jamar Chase

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Speaker 4: was like, wait what he said?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 4: And I just wonder if there's any trickle down from

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Speaker 4: Burrow's coming.

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Speaker 1: His frustration is sending a message to the owner up top.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, well I'm going Ravens two and a half.

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Speaker 4: I'll take them. I think Baltimore wins by Fieldal.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow's headlines today Lions at the La Rams right here

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Speaker 1: on Fox.

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Speaker 4: Great game at SOFI. This is one where the coach

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Speaker 4: to me is everything. I think this will be a

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Speaker 4: phenomenal game. The headline for Rams Lions well be x

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Speaker 4: locks Lions soil selves facing former quarterback Listen, I know

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Speaker 4: it's a great raw ross spot for Jared Goff and

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Speaker 4: Dan Campbell. Hey, nobody respects us. We're huge underdogs. We're

510
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Speaker 4: a great team. We were almost in the Super Bowl

511
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Speaker 4: last year. Just pumped the brakes. I'm worried about Detroit

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Speaker 4: and the colin for starters McVeigh twenty seven and eleven

513
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Speaker 4: in December in his career. You know what that means. Hey,

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Speaker 4: we got the full season of data. I can make

515
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Speaker 4: adjustments to my team, my defense adjusts. These smart young

516
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Speaker 4: coaches man him and another one will get too shortly

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Speaker 4: December their lights out. Now, I look at Detroit's injury situation.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you saw that. Terry on Arnold, He's done

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Speaker 4: for the season. But Kirby Joseph they announced today, doesn't

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Speaker 4: look like he's coming back. So I look at who's

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Speaker 4: going to backfill Joseph and it's a young kid like

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Speaker 4: that was played like seventy snaps. But now he's going

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Speaker 4: against Pooka and Devonte Adams and the mcveay schemes. The

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Speaker 4: Rams in their last seven have scored over thirty points

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Speaker 4: five times. This offense is clicking. I don't see how

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Speaker 4: the Lions get stops. They can gets ugly. Give me

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Speaker 4: the Rams tomorrow's headlines today.

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Speaker 1: A quietly interesting team that's certainly getting better on both sides.

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Speaker 1: The stats tell you that Panthers at the Saints on.

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Speaker 4: Fall, especially what went down last night. This is a

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Speaker 4: massive game, Jalison. I know it's not great teams, but

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Speaker 4: this is fascinating. A real moment for the Panthers. Another rematch.

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Speaker 4: The headline for Panthers Saints will be enter the Bryce

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Speaker 4: age Panthers two unlie for Saints. Yeah, I gotta they're

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Speaker 4: working overtime this week. Calling yes the rematch. Now the Panthers,

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Speaker 4: I think you mentioned this in your pick. In their

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Speaker 4: last meeting. He has to Saints. They were coming off

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Speaker 4: that win, a huge win over the Packers. They come home,

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Speaker 4: they're lackadaisical. Tyler Schuck beats them. How they have extra

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Speaker 4: rest and the script is flipped. What did the Saints

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Speaker 4: do last week? They beat Tampa by just win in

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Speaker 4: a couple of years. You're writing in New Orleans. Maybe

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Speaker 4: Tyler Shuck is their franchise quarterback. That's like a real

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Speaker 4: thing that's happening. I don't think he's doing for two

545
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Speaker 4: hundred yards into last three games. Now they're playing better,

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Speaker 4: but I think the Panthers are the better team. Big

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Speaker 4: thing in the injury report, Jc Horn top quarterback, He's

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Speaker 4: back two other defensive starters.

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Speaker 1: Back from Ranther's defense is massively improved from last year.

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Speaker 4: And Dave Kanal is doing wonders with Bryce Young. I

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Speaker 4: like the Panthers here. I know it's a little bit

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Speaker 4: of a chalky like. Panthers haven't been favored and won

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Speaker 4: a game since twenty twenty one. Risky, gimme Carolina tomorrow, Bros.

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Speaker 4: Headlines today, this should be a really good game. Green

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Speaker 4: Bay Packers playing well healthy now at receiver against the Broncos. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mentioned coaches. You want to know how Lafleur's done

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Speaker 4: in December twenty one and four. He's unbelievable. The headline

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Speaker 4: for Packers Broncos well me mile high more like mile

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Speaker 4: Cy Parsons pops Bow's balloon. I mean, listen, you know,

560
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Speaker 4: and I joke about chat GPT, but you can jump

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Speaker 4: in there and get decent breakdowns on what these coaches

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Speaker 4: want to do schematically and everything vance Joseph and the

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Speaker 4: Broncos do. Lafleur does better. I mean, Joseph wants to

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Speaker 4: match up man the man on the outside that's not

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Speaker 4: good against Watson and Jayden Reed keep him down a heater.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Jordan Love is a really good

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Speaker 1: deep ball thrower.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and listen, Patrick Tretana is excellent defensive player the year.

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Speaker 4: Last year, he's had his moments where he's gotten cooked.

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Speaker 4: Go look at that Colts game and I looked, Colts

571
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Speaker 4: ran up and down the field against him. Go look

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Speaker 4: what Jackson Dart did to the Broncos defense. And I

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Speaker 4: know they've had some injuries. Bo Nix is also gold

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Speaker 4: Colin mightily against zone because guess what, his legs are

575
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Speaker 4: not as effective because the defenders are facing you. Green

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Speaker 4: Bay can get home with four. I don't think Nicks

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Speaker 4: has avenues to run the backup running back with Dobbins out.

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Speaker 4: He's all right, I'm sorry, I'm on the Packers here favorite.

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Speaker 5: On the road.

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Speaker 1: Finally, Tomorrow's headlines today the fourth game that you and

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Speaker 1: I at least agree in picking.

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Speaker 4: Colts and Philip Rivers. Well, I'm waiting for Rivers to

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Speaker 4: officially be the starter. Listen, I don't like to give

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Speaker 4: out double digit favorites. I passed on the Yeah, I

585
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Speaker 4: passed on the Texans. I mean, that's an unbelievable bet

586
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Speaker 4: this weekend. But uh, for Seahawks Colts, the headline will

587
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Speaker 4: be in a van down by the Rivers. Old man

588
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Speaker 4: doesn't inspire Colts. A little Foley action. Saturday Night Live,

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Speaker 4: Sam Darnold as a favorite colin of six or more

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Speaker 4: eleven and zero straight up again, Sam Darnold is a

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Speaker 4: favorite of or more eleven or oh straight up, that

592
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Speaker 4: is a closer. He's like Tiger Woods with a helmet.

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Speaker 4: I'm just telling you, guys like this could get ugly fast.

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Speaker 4: I looked at the Colts secondary, so Kenny Moore is

595
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Speaker 4: pretty good. Sauce Gardner out, Tarvarius word third concussion season over.

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Speaker 4: I look, they got a seventh round pick backing up now,

597
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Speaker 4: like who's going to match up with JSN. They're gonna tart.

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Speaker 4: I mean this again, you never know what's gonna happen

599
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Speaker 4: to Forrest Buckner. He's he could come back, but it

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Speaker 4: doesn't look like it. Cultures just beat up that team.

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Speaker 4: And did you see the Daniel Jones post about hey man,

602
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Speaker 4: it's been a great season. I'm done. He's like sad.

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Speaker 4: The vibes are just not good around the cults right now.

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Speaker 4: I know Philip Rivers can try. You know, he's got

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Speaker 4: the double chin. He's look look like he had a

606
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Speaker 4: couple donuts this offseason. I don't see him moving well

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Speaker 4: against Seattle. They picked their number here. I think Seattle

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Speaker 4: wins easily. You know, it is the Sam Darnold. It's

609
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Speaker 4: not that Sam. It's nine and two against the spread,

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Speaker 4: by the way, not so it's not just like, oh, they're.

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Speaker 1: Barely winning, but samrham last year and this year he

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Speaker 1: leaves the NFL wins with two totally different teams, a

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Speaker 1: defensive coach and offensive coach. I know people always talk about,

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Speaker 1: oh boy, he'll get reckless. Andrew Luck had a lot

615
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Speaker 1: of three interception games. Donald is even more so than

616
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Speaker 1: Baker because I think Donald's high end is better than Baker.

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Speaker 1: He's a bigger, more athletic guy. I think he's got

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Speaker 1: a big arm. The Darnald story is encouraging. And I've

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Speaker 1: told you with Nil and some of these college quarterbacks

620
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Speaker 1: like Dante Moore may stay in college. They're like eight

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Speaker 1: teams that need a quarterback, These mid level guys, Baker, Sam.

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Speaker 4: Gino, Matt Jones.

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Speaker 1: I think I think Kyler Murray's gonna get paid by somebody.

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Speaker 1: I think Mac Jones somebody's gonna trade for him. Jmck

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Speaker 1: if you need a quarterback in this league, you're a

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Speaker 1: GM on the hot seat and a coach on the

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Speaker 1: hot seat. And everybody in this league not named Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid er Sean McVay, you're one awful season from the

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Speaker 1: owner you know sitting down with you. I'll say it again,

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Speaker 1: watch Mac, Somebody's gonna take a swing and trade for

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Speaker 1: Mac Chains.

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Speaker 4: Philip Rivers speaks to the desperation. I just will I

633
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Speaker 4: know some people are like you, guys are crazy. Fourteen's

634
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Speaker 4: too much. Just remember when Joe Flacco came off the

635
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Speaker 4: couch his first game disaster. Okay, Josh Thubbs can come

636
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Speaker 4: out of NASA or wherever he was, and he could

637
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 4: because he's running around and making place. These guys are

638
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Speaker 4: statues in the pocket. The speed of this game, it's

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Speaker 4: gonna be too much for Rivers man, and I like Rivers.

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Speaker 4: He'll probably do fine in a couple weeks. But this

641
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Speaker 4: is a terrible spot.

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Speaker 1: I outside of Houston, could you face a worse team

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Speaker 1: than the aggressive, young athletic Seahawks.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Arizona's facing Houston, their left tackle just

645
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Speaker 4: ruled out Barras Johnson's That.

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Speaker 1: Was I almost that was a game I thought. I

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Speaker 1: don't like taking big favor. That's why I took the

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Speaker 1: under on this game. I think Seattle wants to get

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Speaker 1: out clean fast, no injuries, rams around the corner.

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Speaker 4: All right, great job this week. First Things First.

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Speaker 1: Is coming up next live from New York. Be safe,

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Speaker 1: Happy holidays.

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Speaker 4: It's the hurt