WEBVTT - Episode 6 - The Runner, The Liar and The Broken System

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy in Love is the true crime podcast that tells

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<v Speaker 1>love stories with a twist. When Lauren told her parents

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<v Speaker 1>about Seohn, they could tell that she was quote unquote smitten.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the twist of a knife, campus police start a

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<v Speaker 1>man hunt for Melbourne. They ended up finding him hours

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<v Speaker 1>later inside an unlocked church. Just because things start off

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<v Speaker 1>with once upon a Time doesn't mean everyone lives happily

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<v Speaker 1>ever after. This is Crazy in Love, a production of

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<v Speaker 1>Katie Studios and I Heart Radio. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a

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<v Speaker 1>crime producer at Katie Studios, joined by fellow producers Stephanie Ledaker,

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<v Speaker 1>Beth Greenwald, and Jeff Shane. We've all worked for years

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<v Speaker 1>on various crime podcasts and TV series, and as crime

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<v Speaker 1>producers we talk murder all the time. One thing we've

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<v Speaker 1>noticed is just how many of them stem from love.

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<v Speaker 1>We're exploring the story of the runner, the fire, and

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<v Speaker 1>the broken system. Since she was a baby, Lauren McCluskey

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<v Speaker 1>like to move. She learned to walk at just nine

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<v Speaker 1>months old and quickly excelled at track and field. Hurtling

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<v Speaker 1>and high jumps became her strong suit. At one point

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<v Speaker 1>she even ranked tenth in the country, and before she

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<v Speaker 1>knew it. Lauren had a plethora of colleges offering her scholarships.

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<v Speaker 1>Smart and reserved, Lauren and her parents decided on the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Utah, where she would major in communication studies.

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<v Speaker 1>Aside from its strong track program Salt Lake City was

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<v Speaker 1>a safe place and Lauren's parents felt comfortable about sending

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<v Speaker 1>her all the way from Washington State. Her father's biggest

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<v Speaker 1>concern was her driving, and he spent hours researching the

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<v Speaker 1>best car for her. At school, Lauren made friends quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>but really focused on church track and her studies. Partying

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<v Speaker 1>and dating took a back seat. It wasn't until the

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<v Speaker 1>fall of her senior year that she met a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who caught her eye. On a night out with her

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<v Speaker 1>best friend and roommate, Alex, she met a bouncer at

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<v Speaker 1>a local bar, the London Bell. His name was Shaun Fields. Tall,

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<v Speaker 1>dark and handsome. There was an immediate attraction. Throughout the night,

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<v Speaker 1>Shawn kept an eye on Lauren and her friend, making

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<v Speaker 1>sure they got drinks in a timely fashion. At the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the night, on the way out of the bar,

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<v Speaker 1>Shawn asked Lauren for her number. The next day he

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<v Speaker 1>called and asked her to dinner, and just a week

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<v Speaker 1>and a half later, they were officially boyfriend and girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Jeff first and foremost as producers were victims advocates.

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<v Speaker 1>Our goal is always to shine a light on injustices

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<v Speaker 1>and bring attention to stories that we feel need to

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<v Speaker 1>be heard. In our work, We've noticed that many of

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<v Speaker 1>these crimes stem from the same thing, love, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why we decided to call together some of the most egregious, shocking,

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<v Speaker 1>and terrifying stories of relationships that took deadly turns. Our

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<v Speaker 1>hope is to not only raise awareness about the victim

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<v Speaker 1>and what happened to them, but also help listeners learn

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<v Speaker 1>to look out for some of the warning signs in

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<v Speaker 1>toxic situations that are in their own lives. Lauren actually

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<v Speaker 1>chose the University of Utah because it was considered so safe. Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>Utah is actually the fourth safest state in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>and this university specifically highlights safety as being such a

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<v Speaker 1>big importance on campus. In fact, their admissions department actually

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<v Speaker 1>has a packet that outlines all of their safety measures

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<v Speaker 1>and it's listed as definitely one of the safest schools

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<v Speaker 1>in Utah. You can't get much safer than being with

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<v Speaker 1>a former military guy who works as a security guard. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Shaun was a part time computer science student at

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<v Speaker 1>a nearby community college. He also was in the military

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<v Speaker 1>and trained as a security officer. And this was Laurences

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<v Speaker 1>first relationship. And Shawn and Lawrence courtship was described as

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<v Speaker 1>very old fashioned. He'd call her and ask her out

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<v Speaker 1>and take her to these nice dinners, nothing like the

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<v Speaker 1>drunken hookups that most college students deal with. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was older. He was twenty eight, so he was seven

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<v Speaker 1>years her senior. But you know, remember she was really

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<v Speaker 1>mature for age. Sean was not only Lauren's first boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>but really the first guy that she ever spent any

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<v Speaker 1>extended period of time with, even casually dated. Not only

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<v Speaker 1>was she extremely excited, but she was also very inexperienced

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<v Speaker 1>with guys in general. When Lauren told her parents about Sean,

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<v Speaker 1>they could tell that she was quote unquote smitten. Her

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<v Speaker 1>dad remembers even thinking that very quickly, and Lauren seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like she was in love. Well, Lauren was over the

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<v Speaker 1>moon with her new relationship fairly quickly, her friends saw

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<v Speaker 1>some disturbing cracks. Lauren, who was once very independent. Now

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like she was at Shawn's beck and call. He

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<v Speaker 1>would make her pick him up after his shift at

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<v Speaker 1>the bar ended, without fail, sometimes as late as two am.

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<v Speaker 1>He also started to require Lauren to send him photos

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<v Speaker 1>of where she was and who she was with. He

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to know exactly what she was up to. The

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<v Speaker 1>relationship continued to get serious, and after just a few weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>he was basically living in Lauren's dorm. After becoming friends

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<v Speaker 1>with other students, he was able to get in and

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<v Speaker 1>out of the dorm without the usually required key card.

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<v Speaker 1>Things took an unexpected and somewhat dangerous turn when Sean

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<v Speaker 1>started telling Lauren he wanted to give her a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>He insisted it was for her safety. Here's Stephanie. In

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<v Speaker 1>doing our research, we learned that Lauren's friends were immediately

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<v Speaker 1>disturbed by this purchase of a gun, but Laurence seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to be less surprised or concerned about it. Sean, we know,

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<v Speaker 1>had taken Lauren to the shooting range with some of

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<v Speaker 1>his friends, and he always told her that he felt

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<v Speaker 1>it was very important that she knew how to operate

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<v Speaker 1>a gun, mostly so that she could always protect herself

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren's friend and her are a the resident advisor on

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<v Speaker 1>their floor in the college dormitory. They actually were very

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about their being a gun being held at the university,

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<v Speaker 1>and they reported it, and despite the concerns, the universities

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<v Speaker 1>seemed very unfazed and basically brushed it off. Just worth

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<v Speaker 1>noting studies also do show that it's actually more dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>to own a gun because there's a chance you could

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<v Speaker 1>actually be killed with it by mistake. You know, Steph,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Two thousand and fourteen review of the Annals

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<v Speaker 1>of Internal Medicine concluded having a firearm in the home,

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<v Speaker 1>even when it's properly stored, doubles the risk of someone

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<v Speaker 1>becoming the victim of homicide, and it triples the risk

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<v Speaker 1>of suicide. The r A really was right in her

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<v Speaker 1>thinking that this should be reported and taken seriously, and

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<v Speaker 1>it must have been really frustrating that the University of

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<v Speaker 1>Utah was kind of brushing her off and putting off

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<v Speaker 1>any sort of disciplinary action against Lauren and Sean for

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<v Speaker 1>having this gun. Lauren was also really exhausted because Sean

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<v Speaker 1>was increasingly getting more controlling in nature wanted to know

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<v Speaker 1>who she was with, where she was, and friends remembered

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<v Speaker 1>that laurencein said not like her usual bubbly self, but

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<v Speaker 1>she would always make excuses for on behavior and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was her inexperience in dating. She didn't really have

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<v Speaker 1>a boy from before, and friends to tell her that

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff is not normal, even if it's your first relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>These are red flags. This is also a clear example

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<v Speaker 1>that Lauren has followed the rules perfectly. She's done everything correctly.

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<v Speaker 1>She chose the right school because it was so safe.

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<v Speaker 1>She's learning gun safety even though she might have some misgivings,

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<v Speaker 1>She's at least learning it correctly, and her friends also

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<v Speaker 1>did the right thing by reporting it. In early October,

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<v Speaker 1>after about a month of dating, Lauren made a shocking discovery.

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<v Speaker 1>She happened to get a glimpse of Shawn's I D

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<v Speaker 1>and while his photo was there, there was a different name.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Melvin Rowland and Melvin's age was listed at

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven, not twenty eight like Sean had told Lauren.

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<v Speaker 1>So Lauren did what any young person does when they

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<v Speaker 1>have a question. They turned to Google, and what she

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<v Speaker 1>found was pretty disturbing. She found out that Sean or

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<v Speaker 1>Melvin as his real name is was actually a registered

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<v Speaker 1>sex offender. He was convicted of forcible sexual abuse and

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<v Speaker 1>enticing a minor over the internet. Scared and confused, Lauren

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<v Speaker 1>talked to her mom and her friends about the best

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<v Speaker 1>way to break up with him. That's disturbing to no end.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, again, this is her first real relationship, Jeff Right,

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<v Speaker 1>and to find out that the guy that she fell

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<v Speaker 1>head over heels for was a registered sex offender who

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<v Speaker 1>lied about his age. What else? What is true about

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<v Speaker 1>this guy? I mean, that is shocking information to learn

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<v Speaker 1>about the person you love. Yeah, Stephen, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>your earlier point, we talked about her inexperience in dating.

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<v Speaker 1>But again she did the right thing. She found the answers,

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<v Speaker 1>and she immediately made the decision to break up with him.

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<v Speaker 1>So she was not going to let this guy lie

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<v Speaker 1>to her at this point, he was so woven into

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<v Speaker 1>the fabric of her life. He was so friendly with

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<v Speaker 1>other people in the dorm that he didn't need a

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<v Speaker 1>card to get in out. Her friends were his friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and so this just must have been to the core

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<v Speaker 1>disturbed ring for her. But he really kind of had

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<v Speaker 1>a meshed himself in her world. And to find this out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not only for Lauren's security, but those around her.

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<v Speaker 1>She must be feeling, you know, some sort of responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>and guilt about. That's such a good point, Beth. And

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<v Speaker 1>also imagine how devastated she must have been here you

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<v Speaker 1>are choosing what you think to be this wonderful guy,

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<v Speaker 1>only to find out that everything is a lie in

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<v Speaker 1>a house of cards. Where do you go from there?

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<v Speaker 1>These are big, big lies, And at this point that

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<v Speaker 1>she needs out of the bottle and she can't go backward.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's probably a scary thing to figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>to successfully break up with him altogether. Steph had also

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<v Speaker 1>almost rock her to the core and just make her

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<v Speaker 1>question her decisions. Here she was, she was in the

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<v Speaker 1>stable relationship with the secure guy, and all of it

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<v Speaker 1>turned out to be wrong. So I wonder if she

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<v Speaker 1>lost like a lot of her confidence a hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>And imagine this guy is presenting himself to be one way,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's probably a very smooth talker and a well

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<v Speaker 1>to do that very successfully. So yeah, she didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything wrong. She believed him is just the truth, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what people do when they're in love. My heart

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<v Speaker 1>breaks for her because she finds out this information, and

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<v Speaker 1>even though she loves him, how confusing. Where does she

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<v Speaker 1>go from here? The night of her unsettling discovery, Sean

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<v Speaker 1>who we now knew is really named Melvin, came over

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<v Speaker 1>and Lauren tried to break up with him, but he

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<v Speaker 1>ended up convincing her to let him spend the night.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day, he left but borrowed Lauren's car. To Lauren,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the end of their relationship. The relationship was over.

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<v Speaker 1>She just needed her car back. The plan was that

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<v Speaker 1>Melvin would drop the car in a lot and Lauren

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<v Speaker 1>would pick it up later. Concerned, Lauren's mom called campus

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<v Speaker 1>police and explained the entire situation. Campus police set up

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<v Speaker 1>an escort with Lauren to get the car, and it

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<v Speaker 1>went off without a hitch. With the car back and

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<v Speaker 1>the boyfriend dumped. Lauren thought this strange and unsettling chapter

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<v Speaker 1>was finally over. That was until just two days later,

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<v Speaker 1>on October twelve, Lauren started getting a barrage of texts

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<v Speaker 1>from different numbers. They all claimed to be friends of Melvin.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, the texts were innocuous things like why did

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<v Speaker 1>you do this to the big guy? Now he's upset,

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<v Speaker 1>But soon they got increasingly bizarre. The so called friends

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<v Speaker 1>told her Melvin was injured, and at one point even

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<v Speaker 1>told her that he was dead. One exchange went like this,

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<v Speaker 1>will you come to a funeral? And unknown number asked

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren responded, I know he's alive, Please leave me alone

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<v Speaker 1>and don't Texas number I got the police involved. Understandably,

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren was scared, and she called nine one one. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>an excerpt from that call. I've been getting these texts

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<v Speaker 1>about from some of these numbers are right, um of

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<v Speaker 1>different people saying that they were saying that he was

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<v Speaker 1>in the hospital and then saying that like that he

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<v Speaker 1>passed away. But then but then I got a text

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<v Speaker 1>from him and he seems to be alive. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they were I got a text about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>asking if I wanted to go to m hm a funeral,

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<v Speaker 1>his funeral. It's harrowing stuff. Again, this is a major

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<v Speaker 1>cry for help. And at the time told her that

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<v Speaker 1>there was really nothing that they could do about it

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<v Speaker 1>because the texts weren't directly threatening her, and really all

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren could do was block the numbers and hope that

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<v Speaker 1>it would stop. We're going to take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back in just a moment. I've been doing

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<v Speaker 1>a little research about online harassment and what it means

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<v Speaker 1>and how serious it is, and it actually happens to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people. Forty one percent of people have

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<v Speaker 1>reported experiencing some sort of cyber harassment. Furthermore, percent of

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<v Speaker 1>woman report being harassed in general. So clearly it's an issue,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a shame that the campus police couldn't or

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't take it more seriously. Again, they're just working under

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<v Speaker 1>the law of what counts as harassment. This was serious,

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<v Speaker 1>but the campus police only have about twenty officers for

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<v Speaker 1>a campus of over thirty students, and so they can't

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<v Speaker 1>follow up in great detail with every single call they get. Understood,

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, her friends already reached out

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<v Speaker 1>saying that there was a gun being held at the campus.

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<v Speaker 1>And now this is her, the person who's with the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who has the gun, calling and saying something that

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<v Speaker 1>would feel right, and she's getting all these texts that

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<v Speaker 1>are bringing her concern. At some point somebody should look

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<v Speaker 1>into it. I think that is a case of people

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<v Speaker 1>not connecting the dots. Lauren's friend and r A reported

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<v Speaker 1>the gun to the dorm authorities and Lauren's calling campus police,

0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.760
<v Speaker 1>and so these two groups are not intersecting on reports, Jeff,

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<v Speaker 1>Everything that happened is already disturbing. But then the harassment

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to escalate, and Lauren got an email that was

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<v Speaker 1>threatening to release intimate photos that she took with Melvin

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<v Speaker 1>if she didn't pay a thousand bucks. So they were

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<v Speaker 1>basically going to publicly humiliate her unless she paid this money,

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<v Speaker 1>which is blackmail, and Lauren really wasn't sure what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she paid the money and went in person

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<v Speaker 1>to file a report with campus police, and what they

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<v Speaker 1>had said to her actually was that it was a

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<v Speaker 1>scam and to ignore it. And they even suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>Melvin might be a victim to this too. How is

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<v Speaker 1>that not looked into? Even if that's the case and

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<v Speaker 1>Melvin's a victim and this as well, This to me

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a tipping point of mounting evidence that at

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<v Speaker 1>the bare minimum, somebody from the university should be checking

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<v Speaker 1>into it, even a very basic level. Now this points

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<v Speaker 1>to a third time that there has been an instance

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<v Speaker 1>that police or officials at the campus were notified of

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<v Speaker 1>something that just didn't feel right and they chose not

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<v Speaker 1>to act on it. Someone threatening to reveal this intimate

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<v Speaker 1>photo is a violation of the state revenge porn laws.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm surprised that no one jumped into action on

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<v Speaker 1>her nine on one calls. You know, you hear the

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<v Speaker 1>fear in her voice and kind of the trepidation. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a twenty one year old girl calling nine on

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<v Speaker 1>one by herself. If anyone's ever been in fear, it

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<v Speaker 1>is a very confusing place to be. And on the

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<v Speaker 1>one hand, you have all these mixed emotions. You feel betrayed,

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<v Speaker 1>you feel sad, you feel scared, and you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>just want somebody to swoop in to fix it. Her

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<v Speaker 1>friends were rallying for her, and now the university has

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<v Speaker 1>been reached out to three separate times. What more could

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<v Speaker 1>she possibly do? Yest that from when I looked it

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<v Speaker 1>up in Utah to class a missemeanor to knowingly or

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<v Speaker 1>attentionally distribute sexual images to anybody without that person's consent.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was a that was a crime right and

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<v Speaker 1>should have been handled as a crime. Not to mention

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<v Speaker 1>you know how much courage it takes to actually reach

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<v Speaker 1>out and ask for help, especially if you've been in

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<v Speaker 1>a controlling relationship, which we know this was. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to see outside of it. Sometimes you don't trust

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<v Speaker 1>your own gut, you don't trust your own instincts, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was wise enough and brave enough to actually speak

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<v Speaker 1>out and ask for help, help that honestly never came.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten days after the breakup, in mid October, Lauren got

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<v Speaker 1>a text that read, what did you tell the cops?

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<v Speaker 1>We know everything? How did Melvin know that Lauren had

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<v Speaker 1>gone to the police? Had her tech savvy x actor?

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<v Speaker 1>Was there a leak in the police department. Exasperated, Lauren

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<v Speaker 1>decided to go to Salt Lake City Police with more manpower.

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<v Speaker 1>She hoped they would help her, but frustratingly, they followed

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<v Speaker 1>protocol and referred her back to campus police. The campus

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<v Speaker 1>police continued to brush off her concerns. Lauren was angry

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<v Speaker 1>and scared. She told her friends that the police didn't

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<v Speaker 1>believe her. Here's a portion of another nine one one

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<v Speaker 1>call Lauren made. I'm worried because I I've been working

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<v Speaker 1>with the campus police UM at the U and last

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday I reported and then UM and I haven't gotten

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<v Speaker 1>an update. Okay, but somewhat contacted me today. Someone who

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<v Speaker 1>was harassed, said that that they know everything about the police.

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<v Speaker 1>And okay, so you already spoke to the campus police.

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<v Speaker 1>Did something. Did this happen on the University of Utah campus? Um? Yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and they haven't updated or done anything. So the case

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<v Speaker 1>it involves extortion. And it's really maddening to hear this

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<v Speaker 1>call because again now she knows that the university police

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<v Speaker 1>are failing her and not taking her attempts to get

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<v Speaker 1>some help seriously. So she has again the courage to

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<v Speaker 1>actually call the real police on one to say please help,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's listening to me, and again she just gets benched

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<v Speaker 1>and given no support. Steph. You know, again going back

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<v Speaker 1>to the beginning of this, this was her first boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>and then to find out everything that she found out

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<v Speaker 1>must have shook her confidence. And now she's doing what

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<v Speaker 1>she thinks is the right thing to do, and no

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<v Speaker 1>one's reacting with the urgency that she feels. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you know, she's just kind of lost. Her whole life,

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<v Speaker 1>followed all the rules. You know, she went to church,

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<v Speaker 1>she worked hard in school, she worked hard in track,

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<v Speaker 1>and that got her to where she was, which is

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<v Speaker 1>in a successful place. And now that she's in this

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<v Speaker 1>place of fear. She's still trying to follow the rules

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not working. Can you imagine how petrified she

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<v Speaker 1>must have been to actually call nine one one and

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<v Speaker 1>fear that they would ignore her again and that somebody

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<v Speaker 1>would find out that she had called nine one one

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<v Speaker 1>and that he would retaliate against her. Yeah, and at

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<v Speaker 1>any moment release these intimate photos that he's threatening her with, like,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's another layer of juicing physical or he could

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<v Speaker 1>just at one point just release the photos and her

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<v Speaker 1>whole reputation at schools run. She was probably in such

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<v Speaker 1>a dark place. It's really sad. And you can hear that, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, remember back in in the middle of like October,

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<v Speaker 1>she was getting a bras of these texts from different numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of these texts and it wasn't Melvin's number,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, leave me alone. I got the police involved.

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<v Speaker 1>So that leaves me to believe, you know, is that

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of ghost number he was using, And she

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<v Speaker 1>did say I got the police involved. It's really unfortunate

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<v Speaker 1>to Beth because we hear this time and time again

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<v Speaker 1>that a victim or soon to be victim reaches out

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<v Speaker 1>to authorities and either gets a restraining order or reaches

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<v Speaker 1>out for help to loved ones, and as a result,

0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:03.080
<v Speaker 1>that might make the perpetrator more angry and retaliate. So

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<v Speaker 1>in her case, she's shouting from the rooftops to anybody

0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.679
<v Speaker 1>who will listen, and outside of her friends in her

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<v Speaker 1>immediate family, nobody is taking her seriously in any way.

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<v Speaker 1>And meanwhile, there's actual security footage that shows Melvin at

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<v Speaker 1>various different campus locations looking for Lauren, which is super scary.

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<v Speaker 1>So she was right to be fearful of this. We

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<v Speaker 1>often have a bad feeling and somehow explain it away.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't trust our own instincts and trust our gut,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is an unfortunate reminder that we have to.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point, Lauren even sent screenshots of Melvine's criminal

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<v Speaker 1>history to police, begging for help and really pointing to

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<v Speaker 1>the fact this guy is we should take this seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>and to that no one even responded. Unimaginable. That's your

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<v Speaker 1>whole purpose is to protect these you know, the students.

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<v Speaker 1>And again she's giving you everything you need. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a gun, there's harassment, there's blackmail, a violation of the

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<v Speaker 1>porn law, and now this where she's basically saying, he's

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<v Speaker 1>on parole, he's a sex offender and convicted of violent

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<v Speaker 1>crimes and what was done Nothing. Yeah, she was betrayed

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<v Speaker 1>by Melvin, but I think, honestly, the biggest betrayal in

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<v Speaker 1>this case is the school to Lauren, how much they

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<v Speaker 1>failed her. And can you imagine how infuriating that must

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<v Speaker 1>be for the parents of Lauren, Like her poor mother

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<v Speaker 1>must be beside herself, because again, they were all shouting

0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.560
<v Speaker 1>from the rooftops. Mrs McClaskey made multiple calls to campus

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<v Speaker 1>police talking about the situation, explaining them even at one

0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.000
<v Speaker 1>point thanking them for their help. So it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>they were turning a blind eye of this either. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>in Lauren's life was trying to get her the help

0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:50.600
<v Speaker 1>she needed. At one point, Lauren even sent screenshots of

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<v Speaker 1>Melvin's criminal history to police, begging for help, but no

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<v Speaker 1>one responded. On the morning of Monday, October, a month

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<v Speaker 1>and a half after meeting Melvin, Lauren got a text

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<v Speaker 1>from an unknown number. It claimed to be an officer

0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:11.199
<v Speaker 1>asking Lauren to meet. Concerned it was Melvin trying to

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<v Speaker 1>lure her somewhere, she called nine on one to report

0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:18.520
<v Speaker 1>him impersonating an officer. Police told her to simply ignore

0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:23.640
<v Speaker 1>the texts. That afternoon, Melvin was spotted on dorm security

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<v Speaker 1>footage pacing the halls waiting for Lauren. Hours later, he

0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:33.560
<v Speaker 1>was still in the dorm lobby. At eight pm, Lauren

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<v Speaker 1>was walking back from class. She was on the phone

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<v Speaker 1>with her mother. They were having a normal conversation. Lauren

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about projects she was working on and at

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<v Speaker 1>school was going well. She was hopeful to move past

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<v Speaker 1>the Melvin saga. But what Lauren's mother heard next is

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<v Speaker 1>every parent's worst nightmare. Lauren was ambushed by Melvin in

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<v Speaker 1>the parking lot. He dragged her in to his car,

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<v Speaker 1>throwing her in the back seat, and shooting her several times.

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<v Speaker 1>She died on the scene. All the while, her mother

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<v Speaker 1>was listening to her daughter's final moments. So after hearing

0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:19.480
<v Speaker 1>this horrible moment, Lauren's dad immediately calls campus police and

0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.919
<v Speaker 1>tell this them what they think they just heard. Campus

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<v Speaker 1>police react and immediately locked down the school and start

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<v Speaker 1>a man hunt for Melbourne. They ended up finding him

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<v Speaker 1>hours later inside an unlocked church, and he had shot

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<v Speaker 1>himself to death. Yeah, Jeff. And afterwards the police looked

0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 1>into Melvin Rowland's history and discovered he was on parole

0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:42.359
<v Speaker 1>and he wasn't supposed to be carrying a firearm and

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<v Speaker 1>even have a social media profile, both of which he did,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, quite flavorrantly, and had the police looked into

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<v Speaker 1>it when Lauren called, they would have been easily able

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<v Speaker 1>to arrest him. You know again, I go back to

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<v Speaker 1>when Lauren reported the explicit photo extortion. One officer asked

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<v Speaker 1>her to send over pictures that Melvin was reatening her with,

0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and she did, and then this officer shared them around,

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<v Speaker 1>commenting on how cute she was. They did that instead

0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 1>of helping her, and days after that she's dead. Let's

0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:32.119
<v Speaker 1>stop here for another quick break. After her death, at

0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:36.800
<v Speaker 1>school finally launched an investigation into the tragedy, and after

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<v Speaker 1>their review, they determined that there were, in fact, many

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:45.040
<v Speaker 1>shortcomings in their investigation that probably contributed to Lauren's death.

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<v Speaker 1>But despite that, the university president publicly said this death

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<v Speaker 1>could not have been avoided direct quote, and that is

0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:59.080
<v Speaker 1>blatantly untrue. This is a clean example of a death

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:03.960
<v Speaker 1>that should have been avoided and should never happen again.

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<v Speaker 1>Even in saying that, the university said this death couldn't

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:12.200
<v Speaker 1>have been avoided. It's like murdering her all over again. Yeah,

0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:15.159
<v Speaker 1>I think the school bungled this from the start. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you also read that after the investigation and after

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.080
<v Speaker 1>the president said what she said, not only did they

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<v Speaker 1>not fire any officers involved in the incident, but in

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:27.160
<v Speaker 1>fact they promoted some of the officers who they actually

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 1>think did a good job. Their reaction is to not

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.879
<v Speaker 1>discipline anyone, but to actually just reward some of the people,

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Like it just doesn't make any sense not to mention

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>they're actually sharing inappropriate photos of Lauren around the office.

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.480
<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, what kind of low life

0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 1>do you have to be to take a young woman's

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<v Speaker 1>photos that she's calling for help about and then just

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<v Speaker 1>a ignore her cry for help. And also now you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to pass that around to your fellow officers to

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:02.040
<v Speaker 1>say how cute she is? It disgusting. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>McCluskey is they sent their daughter off to school with

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that she was going to the safest place

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 1>that could possibly send her. Like his you know, Mr

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Mclusky's biggest concern was what kind of car she was driving.

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:13.400
<v Speaker 1>She was living in fear. You know, her final days

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 1>were literally spent looking over her shoulder, scared, tired, as

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>her friends described her, not like herself. And then she's

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<v Speaker 1>murdered in a public parking lot that every student walks

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 1>through to get to their dorm. It's just it's awful.

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<v Speaker 1>And imagine the poor mother who's now hearing her daughter

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<v Speaker 1>be murdered. That is so traumatizing. It's we can't even

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<v Speaker 1>put that into words. How traumatic that must be. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>those are the last words that you hear from your child.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were obviously a very close family and extremely

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<v Speaker 1>supportive of their daughter. So I can't even imagine the

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<v Speaker 1>loss and the outrage. Yeah, the loss in the outrage.

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<v Speaker 1>Beth has said so well, And I think in large

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<v Speaker 1>part that's why we do these cases, you know, each week,

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<v Speaker 1>simply because some of this is so obvious in retrospect,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a perfect case of reminding us all

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<v Speaker 1>what to do and what not to do, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>school officials will pay more attention moving forward. She was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of scoffed at, you know, she was just dismissed.

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<v Speaker 1>So along the way, things aren't feeling right for her,

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<v Speaker 1>or she's seeing the red flags and is made to

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<v Speaker 1>feel as though she's a fool, which ultimately is what

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<v Speaker 1>sealed her fate. Report done by the university that I

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<v Speaker 1>believe came up in the lawsuit of the family made

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<v Speaker 1>thirty recommendations to the university of things that they can

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<v Speaker 1>fix or have done different. The president of the university,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman named Ruth Watkins, actually made a public statement

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, quote the report does not offer any

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<v Speaker 1>reason to believe that this tragedy could have been prevented

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<v Speaker 1>end quote. Heartbroken and frustrated, Lawrence parents sued the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Utah and civil court for what they felt was

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<v Speaker 1>their blatant negligence. Two years after lawrence murder, the school

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<v Speaker 1>reached a settlement with the McCluskey family to the tune

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<v Speaker 1>of thirteen point five million dollars. The school would also

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<v Speaker 1>build an indoor track facility in Lauren's honor. Additionally, three

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars of the settlement would be donated to a

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<v Speaker 1>foundation in Lauren's name that was designed to improve campus safety.

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<v Speaker 1>Before her death, the final assignment Lauren completed asked, if

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<v Speaker 1>you had one hour left to live, what would you say?

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<v Speaker 1>Usually timid. Lauren was the first of volunteer to read

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<v Speaker 1>hers aloud. She spoke about her time on the track team,

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<v Speaker 1>the thrill of winning, the disappointment of losing, but her

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<v Speaker 1>final message was that despite obstacles and loss, you always

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