Speaker 1: I miss a green for example, I'm already upset. When
Speaker 1: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 1: And when I find my ball in a brid egg,
Speaker 1: Friday Egg, the dreaded Friday Egg, Friday Frida Egg, Bride
Speaker 1: Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the course.
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the
Speaker 2: Friday Egg Podcast. It's your host, Andy Johnson, and I'm
Speaker 2: joined by DJ Paiehowski of Scratch and Brendan Poorath of
Speaker 2: sp Nation. Welcome on, guys, Amen, good to be here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: running it back again, running a back So I don't want.
Speaker 3: To uh think Tron, you know he needs to worry
Speaker 3: about his roster spot here, but happy to fill in again.
Speaker 2: Well, Tron's got a you know, he's got bigger engagements.
Speaker 2: He's got you know, he's got big things going on.
Speaker 2: So we big timer he is. But you know that
Speaker 2: that's his uh, that's part of his his pro trage holding.
Speaker 1: So we were many fresh mm hmmm. I think this
Speaker 1: is good though. This is like when when Bob Ryan
Speaker 1: sits in on a pt I that's good.
Speaker 2: I love it, just a little a little some new
Speaker 2: new takes new perspective, you know, a little less spicy,
Speaker 2: a little more nuanced.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna make even spicier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, might become spicy at me. But you know, so
Speaker 2: so Brooks Cavka, you're twenty seventeen US Open champ. What
Speaker 2: do you guys think?
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know, it's one of those things. I
Speaker 1: think that like, there's nobody that's surprised that it happened.
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a player that's played great at you know,
Speaker 1: big manly golf courses, which this certainly was, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's been in the moment, he's been close in majors.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of the progression that you expect
Speaker 1: from these guys where they show a bunch of talent,
Speaker 1: they you know, get close a couple of times, and
Speaker 1: then they finally break through and like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it kind of turned into a bit of a snooze
Speaker 1: fest unfortunately. I think, you know, Brooks Brooks hitting some
Speaker 1: of the shots he did down the stretch made it
Speaker 1: fun to watch. Not necessarily you know, interesting from a
Speaker 1: competitive standpoint, but it was fun to just see just
Speaker 1: some of the shots he pulled off, some of the
Speaker 1: putts he made. But yeah, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it ith to borrow phrase. I think it
Speaker 1: just it is what it is. Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 3: See, you know the barrow line. Many people are saying
Speaker 3: that they had this. It's like a lawn shot call.
Speaker 3: But like you know, it's not a lawn shot for
Speaker 3: anyone who knows anything about this. It's as expected. It's
Speaker 3: it's it's no more shocking than I would say if
Speaker 3: Ricky won today, or you know, Thomas won to day
Speaker 3: or maybe even you know, if Speed's won, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: Speed has more name recognition, but we kind of you know,
Speaker 3: Kopka only has one PGA Tour win, which you know,
Speaker 3: maybe you know, kind of the golf nerds. He's got
Speaker 3: too much of a cult following, you know, that's not
Speaker 3: commensurate with one, you know, waste management Phoenix Open win.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think everybody saw this as a possibility,
Speaker 3: and it's not really a launch shot win.
Speaker 1: It was it.
Speaker 3: You know, the day lacked a little kind of little
Speaker 3: sizzle there, you know, but him streaking down the back
Speaker 3: and maybe that's an old old man media complaint Andy
Speaker 3: that it lacked sizzle, But you know, him streaking on
Speaker 3: the back nine was cool. That was that was fun
Speaker 3: to watch, just like JT the prior day on the
Speaker 3: back nine was fun to watch.
Speaker 1: You know. That's what what I would ask you.
Speaker 3: Andy's kind of like, you know, you talked about how
Speaker 3: this set up for every player, but what did you
Speaker 3: think of like that? I thought fifteen was like a
Speaker 3: great example of that. You know, it's hardest all on
Speaker 3: the course Brooks is. Everyone just says power, power, power,
Speaker 3: like he's a masher, and then he played you know,
Speaker 3: it makes a birdy. I'm fifteen, you know, just three
Speaker 3: fifty six. That was kind of all strategy and touch.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, do you think that like a
Speaker 3: firms that's going to affirm like the lazy take that
Speaker 3: this was just a bomber's course.
Speaker 2: I've already heard it. You know, we expected a bomber
Speaker 2: to win. But like Brooks won because he played the best,
Speaker 2: you know, like what he didn't hit any bad shots,
Speaker 2: you know, it was it was fair away and then
Speaker 2: green and then you know he rolled in some putts
Speaker 2: and you know, you look down, you know fifteen or
Speaker 2: you know, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, that was you know, those
Speaker 2: were just incredible shots he hit over and over again
Speaker 2: to make birdies there and basically put it put the
Speaker 2: whole term into sleep. I mean, fourteen, you know, easy
Speaker 2: birdie for him there, and then fifteen that web shot
Speaker 2: was just so good. I mean, I don't I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think one of the things I don't think
Speaker 2: Fox did was to give enough of a narrative of
Speaker 2: how difficult fifteen was playing, because I mean, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a full shot harder than the day before,
Speaker 2: and a half a shot harder than the first two rounds,
Speaker 2: and it was already a tough hole, so you know,
Speaker 2: for him to hit that iron, it's a really hard
Speaker 2: driving hole with that iron because it's really narrow. And
Speaker 2: then he hits a wedge right up there to this
Speaker 2: small back shelf. I mean, then he goes and birdie's
Speaker 2: an X hole, which is a tough hull. Part three
Speaker 2: I think. I mean, he was the best player this week.
Speaker 2: He hit what is it of his greens eighty eight
Speaker 2: percent of his greens miss ten greens for the week.
Speaker 2: I mean there's a I mean, I think it was
Speaker 2: cool though you saw Harmon was there playing a completely
Speaker 2: different style of game. I mean, I know he's not
Speaker 2: like he's not short as everybody wants him to say,
Speaker 2: but he's not long. You know, if that many people
Speaker 2: expected him there, You saw Bill hass Is another one.
Speaker 2: He's in the top five. Completely different style player. You know,
Speaker 2: Patrick Reid thirteenth, Oh so close to his first top
Speaker 2: ten in a major.
Speaker 3: Thought his Ryder Cup pants are going to carry him
Speaker 3: to that top ten first ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the crazy thing, I think
Speaker 2: people overlooked Kopka's major record coming into you know, he's
Speaker 2: got a top ten at the at the British he
Speaker 2: had a top five at the US Open, and two
Speaker 2: top fives at PGA is coming into this week, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's far better than JT's major record.
Speaker 2: It's probably about the same level as Ricky's. And you
Speaker 2: know he he was flying under the radar for no
Speaker 2: reason because he was playing great golf offspring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I think.
Speaker 1: You know, I was looking earlier today and we're kind
Speaker 1: of texting back and forth with both of you guys
Speaker 1: and looking at that cluster of guys that was you know,
Speaker 1: there was whatever five six guys that were kind of
Speaker 1: within a shot or two, and you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a major Sunday and one of those guys is
Speaker 1: at least is going to get just vaporized. And I
Speaker 1: mean it's kind of hard to it's kind of hard to.
Speaker 1: It was kind of hard to pick out who that
Speaker 1: person was going to be. And you know, I was
Speaker 1: kind of thinking, like looking at Brooks, I'm like, eh, maybe,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's just yeah, he's he's been there
Speaker 1: quite a few times, like more times than people realize
Speaker 1: on the Sundays of these things. Here's Royder Cup is
Speaker 1: another example too, And.
Speaker 2: So Kepka was the only player that shot four straight
Speaker 2: under par rounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard to beat.
Speaker 2: He played the best, and he was the most consistent.
Speaker 2: He was never in trouble all week. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you kind of kept waiting for him to lose
Speaker 1: it or to kind of hit some wayward balls or something,
Speaker 1: but I mean he just yeah, he was just never
Speaker 1: in trouble. Like you know, he had maybe had a
Speaker 1: couple of part like a couple of lengthy par putts
Speaker 1: like that was when he's making bogie. He's not he's
Speaker 1: not out there making doubles and the kind of stuff
Speaker 1: that knocks out of contention. I mean, he just was
Speaker 1: kind of impossible to catch.
Speaker 2: He bludgeoned it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Do you think that was kind of why he won't
Speaker 3: Did he hit the right angle? Do you think he
Speaker 3: just he wanted because he hit whatever three hundred and
Speaker 3: seventy nine yards on eighteen and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So it was interesting. I heard one of his, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, one of his post round interviews, and he
Speaker 2: talked about how like he just was hitting driver and
Speaker 2: hitting it far and he hadn't hit anything more than
Speaker 2: a seven iron. You know, it didn't play long, and
Speaker 2: I think it was a you know, there was a
Speaker 2: lot of different ways to play the course, you know,
Speaker 2: I think I've written a lot about it. But his way,
Speaker 2: what like, he went out there, took advantage of the
Speaker 2: wide fairways and hit the driver spectacularly well you know
Speaker 2: where he did not miss, you know, and that's what
Speaker 2: DJ what Rory and what Jason Day did was they
Speaker 2: didn't hit the ball well. You know, they missed a lot.
Speaker 2: And if you don't miss, then you're hitting drivers well
Speaker 2: and you're hitting eight iron, nine iron wedge seven iron
Speaker 2: and all these other guys are hitting six iron, five iron,
Speaker 2: four irons into greens, like your birdie puts are gonna
Speaker 2: be shorter and you've got a lot less chance of
Speaker 2: missing greens and a lot less chance of making bogey.
Speaker 1: I thought watching him this week and just kind of
Speaker 1: his like his you know, just the fact that he
Speaker 1: never did miss and he was just zoning for seventy
Speaker 1: two straight holes. It felt a lot like watching Jason
Speaker 1: Day a couple of years go. It just feels like
Speaker 1: a super similar style. And it's almost like these two
Speaker 1: guys that when they're on they're just like fully optimized
Speaker 1: machines that just like can't miss, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you got that. And I kind
Speaker 1: of felt the same way as I feel when I'm
Speaker 1: watching Jason Day, which is like, man, I know this
Speaker 1: is like so impressive and awesome, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: I'm just like not that into it. Yeah, I felt,
Speaker 1: I mean you could.
Speaker 3: You definitely felt that way more even than the power
Speaker 3: was like the putting the back to back on fifteen
Speaker 3: and sixteen, where like just that trademark day like pouring
Speaker 3: them in from whatever, like fifteen feet to like put
Speaker 3: the gas down and you know, grind it, you know,
Speaker 3: just grind everyone else to dass. I thought like fifteen
Speaker 3: was like ten feet coming back down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was six That was a hard putt.
Speaker 3: Sixteen was a pretty big you know vendor, you know,
Speaker 3: and that was whatever fifteen seventeen feet I can't remember,
Speaker 3: but you know that's like trademark day. Just smash and
Speaker 3: then you know, be just like a machine on the greend.
Speaker 2: Like you said, you know that was that was day
Speaker 2: pre blade collar.
Speaker 1: That's true. Wow color.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brooks is defiant and it kind of applaud him
Speaker 3: in that regard. Defiantly anti blade. And you saw like
Speaker 3: those little bubble boys, you know, the whatever Tron.
Speaker 1: Called them, like the there.
Speaker 3: Were so many different takes like Slushy Machine, Gender reveal.
Speaker 3: You know, Rory and Jason Day kind of ejected early,
Speaker 3: but you know, Nike Nike boy, Brooks defiantly anti blade
Speaker 3: and he's there with the trophy. Makes you think.
Speaker 2: Something I saw think Jonathan Wall tweet yesterday that I
Speaker 2: thought was so interesting is Brooks no equipment deal they
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that he made himself a lot of
Speaker 2: money today.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, it is curious. I wonder what the trade
Speaker 1: off is with like, you know, if he like what
Speaker 1: the incentives are if you win a major on those
Speaker 1: equipment deals, like those things stack up. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what is Do you know what's in
Speaker 1: his bag?
Speaker 2: Like I know he has one Nike club.
Speaker 1: If Leeward is playing that Nike driver all week, it's awesome.
Speaker 3: I saw someone tweet like they're gonna have to start
Speaker 3: making these clubs again if he wins. I remember I
Speaker 3: said it, but I think I saw Taylor may Woods.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 3: to give it. Uh any kind of unpaid for brand
Speaker 3: advertising here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, speculation, it's a big no. No, I'm the
Speaker 2: fried Egg POD's Uh, I'm not.
Speaker 3: In the pocket of a big Carls bad.
Speaker 2: So Brooks twenty seven, top five, two, top five and PGA, Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, he's gonna win one of those. It seems like, yeah,
Speaker 2: top ten at an open, which should fit his game
Speaker 2: really well if he gets the right side of the
Speaker 2: draw and US opens should be I mean, like, is
Speaker 2: is this the guy? I mean, like, how much I
Speaker 2: honestly thinking about when I'm putting it when I was
Speaker 2: just writing about this ah a little bit. Is is
Speaker 2: like this guy could be one of the guys that
Speaker 2: wins three four majors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3: Well I think, you know, I don't know if it
Speaker 3: was lessened by like the lack of presence, you know,
Speaker 3: chasing him just because like JT and Ricky kind of faded.
Speaker 3: But like his round to day was outrageous. It was
Speaker 3: a sixty seven, and I don't know, like why if
Speaker 3: it just kind of like why people were not like
Speaker 3: freaking out the way they were maybe with he Decies
Speaker 3: was arounded the day sixty six, and then after that
Speaker 3: it was Brooks and he was already using the second
Speaker 3: to last group and he's got a sixty seven. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure like we're giving that number like the proper credit,
Speaker 3: just because maybe like no one was kind of pushing him,
Speaker 3: you know, it was just him.
Speaker 2: I mean, but Harmon was right there and then he vaporized.
Speaker 1: It right exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: And maybe that's why too, because there was just like
Speaker 3: no one kind of keeping pay us, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden it got boring. I wasn't I don't know,
Speaker 3: it was odd. I don't think we're giving that sixty
Speaker 3: seven enough credit.
Speaker 1: I think I think sometimes when you uh, you know,
Speaker 1: when you when you win by one and you come
Speaker 1: and you burdy the last hole or something, it just
Speaker 1: feels like a much better round than when you just
Speaker 1: shoot a flaw as sixty seven, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like winning by four almost hurts, like I don't know
Speaker 1: if this makes any sense, but I mean it almost hurts,
Speaker 1: like how we look at the round because it just
Speaker 1: doesn't feel close, and it just feels like he was
Speaker 1: completely in control the whole time rather than actually like
Speaker 1: responding to punches or something like that, which I think
Speaker 1: is kind of what you're talking about, right, I think it.
Speaker 2: I think it's so interesting too, because, like you know,
Speaker 2: it was one of the most packed leaderboards and bunch
Speaker 2: leader boards. It had big names, It had you know,
Speaker 2: it had Ricky and JT. Fleetwood is you know, becoming
Speaker 2: a you know star in Europe. And this guy, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy just blew them all out.
Speaker 1: To see it is funny, man, Like I forget who
Speaker 1: I was talking about. This might have been earlier in
Speaker 1: our pre tournament podcast, but just look at the last
Speaker 1: what sixteen twenty majors something like that like the guys
Speaker 1: who are winning these things. You know, there have been
Speaker 1: a lot of pack leader boards and it hasn't been
Speaker 1: the no name guys that emerge out of those packs
Speaker 1: like almost ever. I mean, we're we're joking about it,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, the biggest quote unquote no name
Speaker 1: guy was Danny Willett, who was like number fifteen in
Speaker 1: the world or something when he won, right, and it's like, man,
Speaker 1: these guys are just to win one of these tournaments, man,
Speaker 1: you've got to be just an absolute horse.
Speaker 3: That's what like the whole like, oh, you got a
Speaker 3: lawn shot, like I had Brooks like that. That's like
Speaker 3: bugs me, like and maybe that's just the nature of
Speaker 3: kind of the whatever. This like the post Tiger era,
Speaker 3: where like anyone who wasn't Tiger was you know, I
Speaker 3: had him. I got that was like a good call
Speaker 3: because I didn't pick Tiger. But like all these guys,
Speaker 3: you know, we said, like the last seven first time
Speaker 3: winners saved for Willett. But Willett was like a stud
Speaker 3: at the time. You know, he's not right now, but
Speaker 3: he was a stud when he won the Masters. Like
Speaker 3: they're all completely you know, realistic, no Fluke, like totally
Speaker 3: reasonable champions and nothing, nothing is shocking about this, And
Speaker 3: I think maybe that's kind of just like how we're
Speaker 3: adjusting to this like post Tiger era, where you know,
Speaker 3: if it's a guy that maybe like Skip Balis has
Speaker 3: never heard of, it's all of a sudden like some stunner,
Speaker 3: you know, Cinderella storm.
Speaker 1: But we haven't had any of those.
Speaker 2: I have. Skip was right a tall player one, that's true.
Speaker 1: All the short players kind of faded at the end.
Speaker 3: Is he six feet?
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I think Brooks? Is he that
Speaker 1: short or that's not short? But he seems bigger than that.
Speaker 3: He does seem bigger than that. He's he's he's built
Speaker 3: like a brick ship house.
Speaker 1: But I don't know he actually wanted to play baseball.
Speaker 1: If you guys heard, oh.
Speaker 3: I heard athletics running his family.
Speaker 1: But I know.
Speaker 2: So so, you know, I think we've talked enough about Brooks.
Speaker 3: What about girlfriend Gate? You have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Is that fit your you know, I think that's Andy's
Speaker 1: audience is really into golf architectural Yeah, I think your
Speaker 1: audience is really big into like the off the course
Speaker 1: lifestyle choices of.
Speaker 3: These guys, it's amazing how many people like there's some
Speaker 3: serious like bloodhounds out there rummaging through the Instagram archives
Speaker 3: within second ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It's uh, it's whatever. You know, it's cool and neat
Speaker 2: and fun, but curious who you got are thinking in
Speaker 2: terms of like who's who was your most pleasant surprise
Speaker 2: this week? Like what player?
Speaker 1: I think for me it was in granted, you know,
Speaker 1: today's round went a long water. I think it was
Speaker 1: hit Ecky. That was awesome to watch some of the
Speaker 1: shots he was hitting, and like, you know, I think
Speaker 1: we were saying earlier, you know, he's he's just done
Speaker 1: in by his putting so often, and it was just
Speaker 1: cool to see him you know, wholesome putts when they
Speaker 1: really mattered and and not fade away and not make
Speaker 1: you know, miss short chances and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I thought it was. I'm so pumped for him to
Speaker 1: win one of these things, which which obviously doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like it's very far off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean obviously, like yeah, when he walked out
Speaker 3: the eighteenth grade and I was just kind of like flabbergasts, like, God,
Speaker 3: this guy is such a killer, Like I love watching
Speaker 3: this guy sixty six just kind of wasn't really on
Speaker 3: TV until like the back nine fires of sixty six
Speaker 3: like a day after it or two days after. You know,
Speaker 3: he could have shot maybe sixty three. You know, he
Speaker 3: burned some edges on Friday.
Speaker 1: By the way, he opened with seventy four in the
Speaker 1: first round, that's right, and then shut twell under he's
Speaker 1: just the tournament. So I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess I'm going to Harmon was obviously so fun.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's kind of he's not going to give
Speaker 3: you like a ton of like fist pumps, which is cool,
Speaker 3: but he's just he's cool to watch, I think. And
Speaker 3: you know, he had really no major kind of results.
Speaker 3: You know, he hadn't done a ton at the US,
Speaker 3: but he's cool.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 3: I tweeted about it, you know, the X man when
Speaker 3: he finished and looks like he just missed like a
Speaker 3: master's exemption.
Speaker 1: But he was cool to follow.
Speaker 3: Like I got into him kind of randomly last year
Speaker 3: at the web Web Finals event, and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: because he had he had already got his card. It
Speaker 3: was just I don't know, and some web guys tipped
Speaker 3: me off saying he was on a run, so I
Speaker 3: followed him.
Speaker 2: Well, no, he he got his card through finals right right, right,
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 3: Right, So he was he was cool to watch this
Speaker 3: week and his first, you know, ever US Open. He's
Speaker 3: in double digit under par, which they said would win
Speaker 3: what all the two US Open.
Speaker 1: He was, he's cool to watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he what I was impressed with. He shoots that
Speaker 2: sixty six. He shoots seventy three, which wasn't bad backing
Speaker 2: that up, you know, and that was right, you know,
Speaker 2: and and then he comes back he I mean, he
Speaker 2: played great. Most guys, you know, most of the younger
Speaker 2: guys kind of faded on the weekend, you know, like
Speaker 2: Cameron Champ faded. You know who else was up there?
Speaker 2: They had, you know, basically guys that just you don't
Speaker 2: expect their usually fade away. And he was there till
Speaker 2: the end. You know, I was impressed as much as
Speaker 2: I want to say Trey Mullnax my boy, but Tommy
Speaker 2: Fleetwood because I was going to say too. You know,
Speaker 2: he hit some like really bad shots and had moments
Speaker 2: where it could have gone really off the rails quickly,
Speaker 2: but it never seemed to like he never seemed to
Speaker 2: let go of the rope if that makes sense. You know,
Speaker 2: like you know, when he had that that kind of
Speaker 2: disaster on eighteen yesterday, but then hit that like unbelievable
Speaker 2: chip back up to save Bogee after you know, playing
Speaker 2: ping pong, and then today, you know, on four he
Speaker 2: puts the ball off the green and you're like, oh boy,
Speaker 2: this just could get out of hand. And then he
Speaker 2: you know, managed to get up and down there save Bogie.
Speaker 2: But like you know, he was you never felt like
Speaker 2: he was gonna win, but you never felt like he
Speaker 2: was out of it. You know, he had a chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a fun game and good personality, good story.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in on the on seeing him a lot more.
Speaker 1: What do you think about, uh, what do you think
Speaker 1: about Pat Reid fading today?
Speaker 3: I didn't think much, and I didn't think much beforehand,
Speaker 3: all right. I just thought, you know, I thought Tron's tweet,
Speaker 3: believe it or not, was instructive.
Speaker 1: You know, that is discrimination against his ball flight.
Speaker 3: I mean, he had he had to kind of he
Speaker 3: was trying to make a pretty desperate charge to get
Speaker 3: up into that cluster that was you know at twelve
Speaker 3: and eventually thirteen under. I think he just probably I
Speaker 3: don't know, playing playing to win.
Speaker 1: He just just going for and couldn't couldn't make the birdies.
Speaker 1: It is interesting that the days he played well were
Speaker 1: Thursday and Saturday, which were the soft days, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, there is probably something too. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's Andy's Andy's take, which I love, but there's something
Speaker 1: to you know, just the hard draw into those greens.
Speaker 1: It's like it's a tough one.
Speaker 2: You know, as somebody that used to hit a hard draw.
Speaker 2: You know, when he hit a hard draw, you eat
Speaker 2: hot dogs, and when you eat a fit and when
Speaker 2: he hit a fade, you eat fully.
Speaker 1: You know, you like Hogan. You like Hogan.
Speaker 2: Here. Here's the thing with Reed like to be very
Speaker 2: frank like. So Reed went thirteen greens on Thursday, thirteen
Speaker 2: greens on Friday, shot one of the most I can't
Speaker 2: believe people haven't talked more about this. He shot sixty five,
Speaker 2: hitting twelve greens. He made eight birdies and only hit
Speaker 2: twelve greens yesterday and today he hit eight greens. Like
Speaker 2: simply put like that doesn't win you a US Open.
Speaker 2: You know, you look at Kopka. Kopka hit seventeen greens today.
Speaker 2: He hit fifteen greens yesterday. He hit fourteen greens the
Speaker 2: day before and sixteen greens on Thursday. So you know,
Speaker 2: Kepka's worst day was better than Reid's best day. T degree,
Speaker 2: you know, it's you can't win the US Opens without
Speaker 2: hitting the ball good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I made look sixty eight seventy five, sixty five,
Speaker 3: seventy four.
Speaker 1: That's rollercoaster. Yeah, Captain America.
Speaker 2: It's he's I mean, he's great when when conditions are
Speaker 2: soft and you know there's there's only so many pins
Speaker 2: you can get at and it's tough to play in
Speaker 2: the wind when your ball moves one way. You know,
Speaker 2: it's it's just it's hard. What do you guys think
Speaker 2: about JT and Ricky?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I just saw Will Gray tweeting,
Speaker 3: you know, but that, like Thomas said, he struggled to
Speaker 3: not like read all about his sixty three on his
Speaker 3: phone yesterday. I don't know, it was just he said, Uh,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's interesting. I don't know that it
Speaker 3: was necessarily like unexpected after the high of yesterday, it
Speaker 3: seemed like that would have been hard to back up.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, I was kind of more
Speaker 3: disappointed with Ricky really just not really again, like it's
Speaker 3: hard to say with Kepcaz shooting at sixty seven, like
Speaker 3: you can't fault these guys for not keeping pace with that.
Speaker 3: But I just kind of expected Ricky to not seemed
Speaker 3: like he played like a little.
Speaker 1: Conservatively down the stretch.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. I don't not trying to
Speaker 3: go brand All Poulter here, but uh, it just kind
Speaker 3: of wanted a little bit more and expected a little
Speaker 3: bit more of Fouler.
Speaker 1: I think on the JT front. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: I'm not super super familiar with his wins. I mean
Speaker 1: I guess enough that you know that, like they've all
Speaker 1: kind of been these like really massive margins of victory.
Speaker 1: I don't think we've really seen him go out and
Speaker 1: like grind one out quite yet, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean Where I think, I think when it starts to
Speaker 1: go sideways, I think that's why. I think. That's why
Speaker 1: I just like, I'm like the biggest speef in the
Speaker 1: world is like that guy just fights and fights and
Speaker 1: fights and fights, and he'll miss a shot and then
Speaker 1: you know he's back making birdie on the next hole.
Speaker 1: And it seems like when things start to go sideways
Speaker 1: with JT. I mean he gets you know, it's well
Speaker 1: documented that he starts throwing clubs, he starts finding things
Speaker 1: to blame that kind of stuff, And I mean everybody
Speaker 1: kind of externalizes things differently, I'm sure, but that's just
Speaker 1: kind of the feeling you get when you're watching him
Speaker 1: is like, man, it just doesn't look like a guy
Speaker 1: that's going to like dig deep and you know, fight
Speaker 1: back and get back into it.
Speaker 3: I will say I was surprised he was. I wasn't
Speaker 3: surprised that, you know, he didn't win or it was
Speaker 3: pushing at the end. I was surprised he was basically
Speaker 3: completely ejected from the broadcast by the fifth pole, like
Speaker 3: we just he was dumped by the fifth pole. I
Speaker 3: was a little surprised by that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's incredibly hard to back
Speaker 2: up really really great rounds. Nothing ever seems to go right,
Speaker 2: you know it. It's just something that's very hard, and
Speaker 2: it's I think it was a bad break that he
Speaker 2: got into that last group. I think if he was
Speaker 2: not in the last group, it would have been a
Speaker 2: lot better.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so Fowler made the turn and I
Speaker 2: texted somebody's like, you know, it kind of felt like
Speaker 2: Fowler had weathered some you know storm, and it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: like here's where he's I think he ripped one on time.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, oh, you know, like this is
Speaker 2: where he could turn it on and put together a nine.
Speaker 2: And I feel like that's kind of where we've gotten
Speaker 2: with Ricky, is that he gets to this back nine
Speaker 2: in a major and you're and you're waiting to see
Speaker 2: what he did at the Players, happened in a US
Speaker 2: Open or a Masters, or because like the Masters this year,
Speaker 2: he was still in and and it just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: He did that yesterday.
Speaker 3: I mean after he bogied the thirteenth and he's kind
Speaker 3: of like, you know, after sitting on top of leerboard
Speaker 3: for thirty six holes, or you know, at near the top,
Speaker 3: he bogees thirteen and he's like, uh, followers, like you know,
Speaker 3: falling out again. Then he birdies three in a row
Speaker 3: fourteen through sixteen, and yeah, the course is harder today,
Speaker 3: but I still, like you said, I think we're just
Speaker 3: kind of expecting some you know, one more punch there
Speaker 3: on the back nine.
Speaker 1: He didn't really do it today.
Speaker 2: I think. I think though, you know, you get close
Speaker 2: in golf and you have these moments of like where
Speaker 2: you don't where it doesn't go your way, and the
Speaker 2: key is just keep putting putting yourself in that situation.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, it's becoming where he's he's becoming
Speaker 2: more and more prevalent again. It's more of a matter
Speaker 2: of when, not if.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think, yeah, I would be surprised
Speaker 3: that he's not there again in whatever three or four
Speaker 3: weeks at Birkdale.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Birkdale, one guy you definitely got to look
Speaker 1: at for that. Uh. West Wood a little one fifty
Speaker 1: one on the weekend.
Speaker 2: You know, west the Island is uh, you know, you
Speaker 2: see like you know, something like a you know, a
Speaker 2: beach town post hurricane. That's kind of the state of
Speaker 2: Westwood Island right now.
Speaker 1: It kind of feels like one of those one of
Speaker 1: those towns in like the Northwest that used to be
Speaker 1: like a really big, like forestry place and then kind
Speaker 1: of all these logging companies left and now they're just
Speaker 1: like really desolate and kind of like full of crystal
Speaker 1: meth and kind of delusional people. That's what west That's
Speaker 1: what West. The island kind of feels like to.
Speaker 2: Me right now, you know you're your.
Speaker 1: Man, the crackpots that are still still inhabiting it, or
Speaker 1: just you know, just no sense of reality whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I just want you to know, your big man, big
Speaker 2: leash is down two to one to West this year.
Speaker 1: Sure, or that's true.
Speaker 2: We got two more, We got two more West West?
Speaker 2: You know he uh.
Speaker 1: I would say Tour championship as well, but West would
Speaker 1: definitely will not be there.
Speaker 2: So this is the I would say, this is probably
Speaker 2: the last year for Westy. Do you think, well he's
Speaker 2: gonna fall out of the top fifty.
Speaker 1: What was he saying about the golf course?
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I need to. I need to
Speaker 2: he needs to answer my tweet, dear sir, because because
Speaker 2: there could be a I could be packing up, I
Speaker 2: could be shuddering up and out off Lesty Island, if
Speaker 2: you know, if he answers that the wrong way?
Speaker 1: What did he say? What did he say? I didn't
Speaker 1: actually see it.
Speaker 2: I think that it was he was asking about the
Speaker 2: course and relation to par you know, basically, I mean
Speaker 2: Westwood likes when scores around par like he's not gonna
Speaker 2: wine when it's he's not going to shoot sixteen under. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he can shoot even part you can get two
Speaker 2: under four under six hunderd. Yeah. It's a you know,
Speaker 2: he's a fairways greens machine and this week it didn't
Speaker 2: work out. It's a you know, he's but he's a
Speaker 2: guy that could go out on a on a really
Speaker 2: really windy day at Birkdale and shoot like at sixty
Speaker 2: eight when everybody else shoots seventy five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you uh so, what did you think
Speaker 3: of how it played today? You wish it had been
Speaker 3: like that? You know, you said the fifteenth you'd like
Speaker 3: when the fifteen is a full stroke harder and then
Speaker 3: you know, generally the course overall it was a lot
Speaker 3: like is that that's how they wanted to play basically.
Speaker 2: I mean it still wasn't firm, you know, like yeah,
Speaker 2: firm like when guys can hit shots and there's no
Speaker 2: you know, there's no penalty for being out of position
Speaker 2: as much, you know, when the greens are soft, and
Speaker 2: I mean you see it week to week. It's it's
Speaker 2: one of the sad things about the PGA Tour is
Speaker 2: like how rarely it plays firm and fast, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's the best defense because then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: when you miss the fairway, you know, it becomes that
Speaker 2: much harder to hit the green. It makes it, you know,
Speaker 2: from the fairway even you have to be so dialed in.
Speaker 2: I mean it firm and fast is the way to go.
Speaker 2: And that course was never firm and fast. And you know,
Speaker 2: if that place is firm and fast and it's windy,
Speaker 2: it's a disaster, you know it, it might have gone
Speaker 2: the complete opposite way, where people are like this is
Speaker 2: out of control hard.
Speaker 3: That's my problem with all the people yesterday saying it
Speaker 3: was too easy, they're like the same people who you
Speaker 3: know today probably said it was boring because you know,
Speaker 3: it was harder and more even par scores, and then
Speaker 3: they'd say it was tricked up and unfair if you know,
Speaker 3: the leader was a two over or something.
Speaker 1: There's just kind of people are never happy. I think
Speaker 1: for me, it either has to be I mean, not
Speaker 1: just for me. I'm sure this is pretty obvious, but
Speaker 1: I think that where it's super exciting like yesterday, where
Speaker 1: people are making birdies and eagles and all kinds of
Speaker 1: things that obviously those are incredible to watch and I
Speaker 1: think the days when it is brutally difficult and guys
Speaker 1: are just getting ejected constantly is when it's good to
Speaker 1: watch it. Today just like felt really stuck in the middle,
Speaker 1: which I think was a lot of you know, had
Speaker 1: a lot to do with the course being damper than
Speaker 1: they wanted to and them having to kind of you know,
Speaker 1: put a lot of front pins to kind of try
Speaker 1: to protect a lot of the holes and stuff. I
Speaker 1: think it just kind of, I don't know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of set up to be set up to be a
Speaker 1: good day, like in relation to par or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: to to not have another big scoring day, but it
Speaker 1: was also set up to just kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: it was set up to kind of be what it was.
Speaker 1: It was kind of a little flat and not all
Speaker 1: that crazy interesting.
Speaker 3: So you think we're going back. That was the big thing,
Speaker 3: Like Chambers is, you know, never coming here again.
Speaker 1: And there was you know, a.
Speaker 3: Speculation that might get one of those whatever like four
Speaker 3: balls or something. Then they didn't get that.
Speaker 1: Seems like people think we're gonna get this again. Everyone else.
Speaker 2: I hope it does. I mean, I think it was.
Speaker 2: I just I wrote an article about this yesterday, but
Speaker 2: like this was the first US Open where being long
Speaker 2: for the most part, with the exception of guys like
Speaker 2: Jim Perrick, but like being extremely great off the tee
Speaker 2: wasn't a prerequisite. And I think that's so good for
Speaker 2: golf because like you got to see Brian Harmon, Like
Speaker 2: if this is at Oakmont, Brian Harmon is probably fortieth Brooks.
Speaker 2: It would have still won, you know, but you wouldn't
Speaker 2: have had I don't think Xanderschaffle would be up there.
Speaker 2: Bill Has certainly wouldn't have been on the leader board.
Speaker 2: Shay Revey, I mean stricker future. Yeah. It allowed different
Speaker 2: styles of play and what makes other players great be showcase,
Speaker 2: you know, And I think that that's the cool thing.
Speaker 2: Patrick Reed hitting twelve greens and shooting sixty five. Yeah,
Speaker 2: his short game was out of control and that wouldn't
Speaker 2: happen if there was you know, eight inch rough around
Speaker 2: the greens.
Speaker 1: But like three times yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the short that short grass, like the short grass
Speaker 2: around the greens. Really great pictures of the ball, like
Speaker 2: feast on that and guys like Westwood are putting and
Speaker 2: having them roll back down to their feet.
Speaker 3: Right, can we just can I kind of bring that
Speaker 3: up for a s. I love how the US opened
Speaker 3: that those chipping areas, the US Open makes these terms
Speaker 3: of art and closely Moaned became a a now like
Speaker 3: hit it to the Closely Moon, like's just like facts
Speaker 3: and these guys just throwing these terms out. It's ridiculous
Speaker 3: the calmarrain and I love it, like only at the
Speaker 3: US opens these like these terms just become you know,
Speaker 3: ubiquitous closely Moans.
Speaker 2: What do you guys think coming back?
Speaker 1: I hope So I loved it. I mean I thought
Speaker 1: it was awesome. I think anytime you know I'm biased,
Speaker 1: of course, but anytime you go to the Midwest, I
Speaker 1: think you get awesome crowds of like good golf fans
Speaker 1: and people who are like pretty hungry for these kinds
Speaker 1: of tournaments and support them well and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. And so I mean, yeah, I was all in.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they got a little unlucky with
Speaker 1: some poorly timed rain, but other than that, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't really think you can. I don't think you
Speaker 1: can say anything bad about it. I mean good, good winner, good,
Speaker 1: you know, good setup, everything was, everything was good.
Speaker 3: I thought, Yeah, I'm totally fine with it going back.
Speaker 3: I think it's just you get this hostility to new
Speaker 3: venues because there is so much competition and there are
Speaker 3: so many classic courses, even just in the Midwest that
Speaker 3: you want majors going to that are kind of off
Speaker 3: the RODA.
Speaker 1: And I guess that's is that.
Speaker 3: Like you need property to accommodate these and maybe the
Speaker 3: course layout is sometimes secondary to the operations being able
Speaker 3: to set up across the property.
Speaker 1: And that's where it seems like the USJA is kind
Speaker 1: of like is kind of doing a cool thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you remember at one of these like
Speaker 1: really classic courses, you're not into this trend, but you
Speaker 1: know this this kind of model that they're building now
Speaker 1: where they're they're kind of building these golf courses specifically
Speaker 1: to host US opens is you know, it's just interesting,
Speaker 1: I think, and like that's kind of what they did
Speaker 1: with Chambers Bay. It feels like, and you know, I
Speaker 1: think it backfired. I still low key think that a
Speaker 1: US opens is going to go back to Chambers Bay.
Speaker 1: Not for a long time, but I think it will
Speaker 1: just because I don't know, I feel like they've got
Speaker 1: so much skin in the game when they when they
Speaker 1: develop these venues that way, and I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of cool with it. It's basically them kind of
Speaker 1: building their building their stadiums around the country. Basically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I uh yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, and like, let's let's keep in mind that
Speaker 2: Aaron Hills was was up against cog Hill Number four,
Speaker 2: which got a got a restoration, just got just got
Speaker 2: the character just wiped right off its face. And like, frankly,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even say it's one of the fifty best
Speaker 2: courses in Chicago anymore. So Wow, it's just it's sad
Speaker 2: what happened to that course. So as much as I
Speaker 2: would have loved like the twenty minute drive from my
Speaker 2: apartment there, it it wouldn't have been as good as
Speaker 2: Aaron Hills.
Speaker 1: So there any upcoming Chicago majors. No, No, nothing on
Speaker 1: the raidar.
Speaker 2: I don't think we've got a We don't have like
Speaker 2: we've got Madonna, which is you know, the PGA thing,
Speaker 2: you know it. I just don't think it really like
Speaker 2: does and get the juices flowing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Olympia Fields. The problem is it's south of the city,
Speaker 2: so you don't have like the fan base like you
Speaker 2: where you draw fans for golf tournaments, isn't it from
Speaker 2: the north and the west, So you need it, you know,
Speaker 2: to be in one of those two areas. Butler is
Speaker 2: the course that would be the ideal US Open course.
Speaker 2: I mean, that place could host it tomorrow. But they
Speaker 2: are all men, and if if I forgot my shoes,
Speaker 2: my fiance would have to drop them off at the gate.
Speaker 3: So don't think. I don't think that's gonna fly.
Speaker 2: I don't think Diana Murphy's going there anytime soon. So
Speaker 2: until they dropped that, I don't think we'll get we'll
Speaker 2: get anything big for a while. I just don't think,
Speaker 2: you know, frankly, I don't think we have a rate
Speaker 2: of we have great golf courses. We don't have great
Speaker 2: We don't have Shinnacock, we don't have Marion. We we
Speaker 2: just don't have one of those pedigree We don't have Oakmont.
Speaker 2: You know, Shinnakock should be awesome, though I heard they're
Speaker 2: they're really I heard of their widening faaraways and the
Speaker 2: trend is real and they've been expanding greens, so we
Speaker 2: should see a lot of what we saw at Aaron
Speaker 2: Hills at Shinnakok, awesome.
Speaker 1: I think that speaks to the question, is the USGA woke?
Speaker 2: I think that's more Shinnacock's woke, you know, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like the pretty they gotta have
Speaker 1: kind of carp launch over what happens at a lot
Speaker 1: of these.
Speaker 2: Venues, right Well, they're getting it back to the original design. Yeah, so,
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's just the overall trend of
Speaker 2: classic courses is getting green sizes back, getting fairways back
Speaker 2: to original wits and and it's it's a way out
Speaker 2: or golf. We saw it this week. Just when fairways
Speaker 2: are wide, it lets all types of players play. It's
Speaker 2: not just who can hit their driver best.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So let's do a quick overrated, underrated. Let's do it,
Speaker 2: John Rob.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a good one. Brendon, I'll let.
Speaker 3: You go first. I will say underrated. I think the
Speaker 3: backlash is just too too hot this week. So now
Speaker 3: he's gone too he was he was, he was, he
Speaker 3: was catching a little too much trendy hype, and now
Speaker 3: he's back to being underrated because people think he's you know,
Speaker 3: too hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I think he Yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: was so underrated that he became overrated, which makes him underrated, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I agree, what about it? I mean, I'm in on
Speaker 3: throwing bunker.
Speaker 2: Rings, punching signs, love it, love it. I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: still in on him. I like we talked about with
Speaker 2: j T. It's it's tough when things start going the
Speaker 2: wrong way. But uh, underrated backlash was high. See who
Speaker 2: kim Oh?
Speaker 1: Underrated?
Speaker 3: Underrated? Just a killer. I watched him last night. I'm
Speaker 3: such a fan. He did a flash, he did he
Speaker 3: did a press conference with no translator. You know, he's
Speaker 3: I love it, I love it. He's just he's just
Speaker 3: a killer. Well, all these other guys are antsy. He's
Speaker 3: just like deadpan, ready to go out and carve it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it said finally, I was watching live
Speaker 2: from last night and finally, you know, Brandle was like,
Speaker 2: you know, we might need to look at last year's
Speaker 2: statistics instead of this year's and realize that this guy
Speaker 2: made it to the you know, tour chances. It's like, right,
Speaker 2: like when you see a series of withdrawals from tournaments
Speaker 2: and miss cuts, like their serious. Probably something going wrong.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I think he's a he's he would
Speaker 1: be a good. I know you guys both love the
Speaker 1: player A player B. Take the names away comparison, and
Speaker 1: if you said, you know, you have this twenty one
Speaker 1: year old kid who has won a players, won another
Speaker 1: tour events, made it to the Tour Championship, all this stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean like if he was, you know, named Michael
Speaker 1: Smith instead of Seewoo Kim, I think he would probably
Speaker 1: be a lot more popular. Frankly, I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: one of those things that like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: else he can do to like show people how good
Speaker 1: he is here.
Speaker 2: Here's a good question, good follow up on this, Like
Speaker 2: who's got a more impressive career? Him or John Robb?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, you Wiu. I think I think
Speaker 1: John Ram is a He's like he has the benefit
Speaker 1: of just us knowing more about him because he went
Speaker 1: to college here and because he played some other tour
Speaker 1: events before getting his card and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: He just had a little bit of like built in cachet.
Speaker 1: But again, kind of the player A player B Like
Speaker 1: right now they see.
Speaker 2: Kim right, he's younger too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really I don't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, John twenty one, Yeah, John Ram's twenty two. Or
Speaker 2: twenty three. So yeah, you got it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: It's uh you know, so uh I had another one?
Speaker 2: What do I have?
Speaker 1: Oh? How about Fox?
Speaker 2: Fox?
Speaker 1: Overrated and underrated?
Speaker 3: Ooh underrated, underrated. I think there's just still that stigma
Speaker 3: attached in Chambers. But like you know, people have watched
Speaker 3: the last two years. No, they've improved that. What do
Speaker 3: you think, Andy?
Speaker 2: I love how many golf shots they show. I I
Speaker 2: don't think that is laboring, you know, really yeah, how
Speaker 2: good was that?
Speaker 1: How good was having Gil hands out there?
Speaker 2: It's good? But here's the thing is like they they
Speaker 2: didn't let Gil Hants like really go in. You know.
Speaker 2: That's something that bothered me is they have they have
Speaker 2: this world class architect up there, and they put who
Speaker 2: do they put next to him? Some of the time
Speaker 2: they had Darren Clark next to him.
Speaker 3: Clark.
Speaker 2: It's like, let this guy like go in like what
Speaker 2: Gil hans for thirty seconds, like he can do stuff,
Speaker 2: but like give him like a real thing and let
Speaker 2: him like he knows what you know, and have somebody
Speaker 2: help him and say like hey these are this is
Speaker 2: this type of player, like explain why they're playing well here,
Speaker 2: you know, explain why this is doing, like why this
Speaker 2: is happening, explain like and that is what you know,
Speaker 2: Like you had this guy here and he said some
Speaker 2: insightful things, but he never they never took something to
Speaker 2: the next level where I was like, whoa, like you know,
Speaker 2: like this is like you know, And I think that's
Speaker 2: the thing they're missing out on is that they I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's they don't have anybody there that
Speaker 2: can like that can coach Gil up to that to
Speaker 2: get to that point and maybe that like there is
Speaker 2: the issue where you could you know, say like let's
Speaker 2: talk about that, you know, like and he'd once you
Speaker 2: lead him into the right direction, he probably would come
Speaker 2: up with pure goals. But I feel like he never
Speaker 2: got led into the right spot.
Speaker 1: I think even just having him have a seat at
Speaker 1: the table, so to speak, is like a good step
Speaker 1: in the right direction because I think a lot of
Speaker 1: the former players are really good. Johnny comes to mind
Speaker 1: for sure, as guys who can put you in the
Speaker 1: moment and like describe what's going on. But a lot
Speaker 1: of them, I mean have a tendency to you know,
Speaker 1: Darren Clark was was okay. I don't know that I
Speaker 1: really heard anything from him that was like went beyond
Speaker 1: kind of cliche and like, you know, kind of taking
Speaker 1: up space. But so I think having just having a
Speaker 1: really really really smart non player at the table, I
Speaker 1: think it's good just for balance.
Speaker 3: I guess by like one kind of I don't know,
Speaker 3: I hate playing like medium budsmen all the time because
Speaker 3: this stuff's hard. But I guess like what you're saying is,
Speaker 3: I would think there's like too many people at the
Speaker 3: table sometimes, and Grant, when you're on the air for
Speaker 3: more than nine hours, like you can't have I just
Speaker 3: want more of their best people. And I know that's
Speaker 3: hard when you have like a nine plus hour broadcast,
Speaker 3: but like, I don't know, it just seemed like there
Speaker 3: were too many people, like they'd throw it to Holly Saunders,
Speaker 3: who like does like a fifteen second introduction of like
Speaker 3: a Shane O'donahue video essay on like the fields of Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: You know, just just felt like there's too many people
Speaker 3: do it and not getting enough exposure. You know, you
Speaker 3: want more of the best people.
Speaker 2: See. That's that's kind of my point, is like I
Speaker 2: don't think they gave Gil enough time to really to
Speaker 2: get let him get what he could have given out,
Speaker 2: Like there is so much he could have This golf
Speaker 2: course was like an architecture in Nirvana for a modern
Speaker 2: architect because like it was you know it it had
Speaker 2: so many little like intricacies and so many little things.
Speaker 2: And in like just talking about like what happened with
Speaker 2: the leader board was you never see this at a
Speaker 2: US Open, and like they'd never let Gil talk about, Hey,
Speaker 2: why did Ricky? Like what did this course do? That
Speaker 2: made the top three guys? Rory, Jason Day and Dustin
Speaker 2: Johnson missed the cut? That wouldn't have happened at Oakmont?
Speaker 2: You know, why did this happen here? You know? And
Speaker 2: in trying to kick it over and give him something
Speaker 2: where he could say like this is why, right?
Speaker 3: But did you think overrated? Underrated?
Speaker 1: I don't think I think underrated. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of I don't disagree with anything that you're saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's room for improvement, but there's always room
Speaker 1: for improvement.
Speaker 2: I think underrated too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that a lot of the stuff
Speaker 1: that they kind of quote unquote messed up is stuff
Speaker 1: that's really TICKI tech that I don't really care about
Speaker 1: and it's it's messing up the name of the girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I don't care about that, like whatever,
Speaker 1: just do a good job like showing the golf, and
Speaker 1: I think that kind of they're outside the course stuff,
Speaker 1: Like I keep bringing it up, but I'm dead serious.
Speaker 1: Like the Ken Brown brownie point stuff about how the
Speaker 1: holes are playing was so awesome. I was like made
Speaker 1: everybody in the room stop talking when those came up,
Speaker 1: because like you learn so much about like these holes.
Speaker 1: And I tweeted something about it, but like my favorite
Speaker 1: part about that was just it's such a good indicator
Speaker 1: of like how quote unquote easy it is to like
Speaker 1: make impactful segments on these broadcasts. And like what they
Speaker 1: did with those things was they went out there with
Speaker 1: one camera. They took one take. There were no cuts.
Speaker 1: It's just Ken Brown riffing. And it probably took six
Speaker 1: minutes to shoot that thing. I mean, he knew what
Speaker 1: he was going to talk about when he got out there.
Speaker 1: But like it's not like it requires a huge graphics
Speaker 1: package and a huge like you know, a camera crew
Speaker 1: shooting for three days to get all the b roll
Speaker 1: for these features. Like no, just like take somebody who
Speaker 1: really is passionate and knows exactly what they're talking about
Speaker 1: and has a good personality and can carry a segment
Speaker 1: and just turn them loose and let them go do that.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what you don't see on the
Speaker 1: week to week telecasts, at least not nearly often enough.
Speaker 1: And I think that the other thing was they didn't
Speaker 1: do a lot of the big the big features and
Speaker 1: the big kind of like essays and packages and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I thought a lot of those were you know,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times those segments have a
Speaker 1: tendency to answer questions that like nobody's asking or like
Speaker 1: care about. And these segments were all, like I thought
Speaker 1: they were all did a great job of like explaining
Speaker 1: something that you either we're curious about or should be
Speaker 1: curious about. And like they did a really really good
Speaker 1: job with that. And our boy, our boy Bacon did
Speaker 1: well as well. That's always fun to do, always fun
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 3: Fun to cool to see him ye up on the
Speaker 3: big screen. Uh yeah, I would just say, you know,
Speaker 3: I know those segments like they have to do some
Speaker 3: tape segments because to break up the live stuff. Sometimes
Speaker 3: they're sold and advertisers thing like that, like yeah, that's
Speaker 3: exactly what you should do. And maybe because like it
Speaker 3: appeals to us because we're already in the boat, like
Speaker 3: we're golf nerds. We're watching this. We don't need, like,
Speaker 3: you know, the emotional essay on whatever else. But like
Speaker 3: him just with a whiteboard and like a basketball or
Speaker 3: with the balls, like showing us the open the grain
Speaker 3: was had me locked in. I was completely locked in.
Speaker 3: And the other times, like when we do those tape
Speaker 3: bits for whatever, a normal PGA tour broadcast, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, wandering off and looking at something on my computer.
Speaker 3: I just don't care. But I was locked in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I think it's good. I think
Speaker 1: it's only only gonna get better. Yeah, actually I think it.
Speaker 1: It kind of a lot of the stuff, I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody points out, like the pro tracer stuff, but like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that I think, you know,
Speaker 1: the CBS and NBC producers are probably watching that broadcast
Speaker 1: very very carefully and looking at a lot of these
Speaker 1: ways that you know, they're incorporating things that that you
Speaker 1: don't see in a week to week basis. So hopefully
Speaker 1: it kind of keeps pushing the pushing the ball forward.
Speaker 1: Or pushing the stick higher or lower, whatever the metaphor.
Speaker 2: Is, Hey, last one.
Speaker 1: Par It's the most the most overrated thing there is.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't matter, like you're, yeah, you're gonna get
Speaker 3: contensus here matter, it's over right, Car's over.
Speaker 2: It's so dumb. It really has it. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: at all, Like to me to a certain extent, Johnny's right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Johnny's always right. How how much would you
Speaker 1: have paid to have Johnny in azing your seat today?
Speaker 1: Watching JT?
Speaker 3: Well, I think what got buried yesterday was him, you know,
Speaker 3: calling at the Milwaukee Open and calling it like an
Speaker 3: easy setup. But those were like the headliners. But what
Speaker 3: got buried was like the other quotes, like the specialness
Speaker 3: of my round is not altered by this. I did
Speaker 3: this in the final round the US Open at Oakmont.
Speaker 3: The specialness he said, the specialness of my round is
Speaker 3: completely not impacted.
Speaker 1: This does not hold up to it, So how could
Speaker 1: you disagree?
Speaker 2: I texted ZB last night and I was like, what,
Speaker 2: uh what is it? Andy? His caddy who caddied for Johnny?
Speaker 2: What what does Andy think about this? And he texts
Speaker 2: it back. He goes, Oh, Andy says Johnny's was five
Speaker 2: shots better at least. Oh man, that's great, five shots
Speaker 2: better at least.
Speaker 3: So good.
Speaker 1: That guy, he's great.
Speaker 3: He would have been on there today, like DJ said,
Speaker 3: just roasting.
Speaker 1: You know. Jas's like I told you the specialness of
Speaker 1: my rout. He can't. You know, it's just different dynamic.
Speaker 2: It's one thing to do it on a Saturday, it's
Speaker 2: another to do it on Sunday.
Speaker 1: That's right. Hey, can I throw it at Andy real quick?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you think it's overrated or underrated? Is it wise
Speaker 1: or crooked? With the misdirection of another Illinois grad actually
Speaker 1: wearing Badger red in Wisconsin?
Speaker 2: You know I heard that is his daughter place on
Speaker 2: the Wisconsin golf team. All right, so all right, some
Speaker 2: some pod listeners inform me.
Speaker 1: But it's like you're flip flip flopping.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's still very dishonest.
Speaker 1: I think it's just good marketing. I think he's just
Speaker 1: playing to play into the crowd. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: the guy with like a Lakers sticker on his bumper
Speaker 1: and a Yankee sticker on his bumper. Let's see at
Speaker 1: the John Der Classic what he wears. I've been to
Speaker 1: have a little blue and orange out there.
Speaker 2: You can't have it both ways, you can.
Speaker 1: It's a nuanced position. You're all about nuanced. You know,
Speaker 1: everything's not black and white. Just broadening his base.
Speaker 2: I think he knows he lives in Madison. He knows
Speaker 2: who utters his bread. You know, he knows, he knows that.
Speaker 2: You know, when he hits the Senior Tour, there's gonna
Speaker 2: be some it's gonna be some more local sponsorships. You know.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. He's got his Champions Tour event
Speaker 1: next week. They playing it, they play it in uh
Speaker 1: you rich in Champagne, or they play it.
Speaker 3: In Madison, MS. Just the Daughter is a good cover
Speaker 3: that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Alone. I'm thinking everyone pilot on strigger.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 2: When when.
Speaker 1: Just let the guy be.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you when when, Uh, how about he's
Speaker 2: surge to beat Jordani Brugie. He almost lost Low, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: It's true, he won Low Alna predicted.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if he is an a Lini anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh man, all right, yeah, we'll ended on that depressing note.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, good week, Thanks for all the thanks
Speaker 1: for the takes. Andy, good stuff, Andy, brilliant stuff. This
Speaker 1: week on the course. I really really appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I do what I can not. All
Speaker 2: heroes wear capes right.
Speaker 1: Shining light, shining light in the darkness. Ignorant takes well,
Speaker 1: you know I didn't.
Speaker 2: I did actually break my rule and talk about how
Speaker 2: far somebody hits it.
Speaker 1: That's true. So it was a note.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then I'm a champ. Yeah. Then I misled
Speaker 2: poor Wrath and I played collar Sean Foley for text.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. Yeah, he's a nuanced character.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey, overrated errated Sean Foley.
Speaker 1: Oh, I feel like he used to be overrated and
Speaker 1: now it's cooled so that he might be underrated.
Speaker 3: Now totally the rob thing. He got so rated that
Speaker 3: he became underrated I think.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm gonna go overrated just because Brandle
Speaker 2: and him teamed up to do like some segment together.
Speaker 2: Saw that and it made me cringe it what how
Speaker 2: how did Brandle do that?
Speaker 3: Wow, it's pretty weak principle.
Speaker 2: He gave in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was shocked when I saw that. It's a
Speaker 3: forthcoming show or something it sounds like. But they they
Speaker 3: used some footage this week. I was I was shocked
Speaker 3: when I saw that.
Speaker 1: That's good to see guys bury the hatchet. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: can be peace in this world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, there can. But do you think that was
Speaker 2: because of crookedness?
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's for the next podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll leave it up in there. We'll let we'll
Speaker 2: let the listeners.
Speaker 1: That's good. But this podcast provides more questions than answers,
Speaker 1: which is exactly what you want. Yeah, any great art.
Speaker 2: All right, you guys have a have a great night
Speaker 2: and actually a really exciting week next week at the
Speaker 2: Travelers pump Field.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one, two, three.
Speaker 2: You know it might there might be rumors that the
Speaker 2: Travelers is the new US Open.
Speaker 1: That's what a lot of people are saying. Yeah, Phil,
Speaker 1: many people are saying that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, phil Phyi'll believe that right is either travelable par
Speaker 2: four fifteen.
Speaker 1: You know they were there first. Yeah, that's the one question,
Speaker 1: and I know we're wrapping up. That's the one question.
Speaker 1: Would Brooks have won? Is there an asterisk on this
Speaker 1: US Open without Phil? Or first major without Phil? Or
Speaker 1: Tiger since nineteen eighty four? You know, again, I don't
Speaker 1: have the answer. I think we're just you know, providing
Speaker 1: more questions and answers let the listeners aside, I.
Speaker 2: Got a great story from the media more.
Speaker 1: Like the more like the listener. I guess an hour
Speaker 1: and five minutes into the podcast, we.
Speaker 2: Said we were going to do this like in thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: So this is a phenomenal story from the media center.
Speaker 2: This week, I went to say hello to Jay Rigdon,
Speaker 2: who I'd never met before, and great guy. And right
Speaker 2: next to him is this guy I forgot his name,
Speaker 2: and he just pipes into our conversation and he goes,
Speaker 2: you know, I talked to Bones today for about fifteen
Speaker 2: to twenty minutes. He says, Phil is going to try
Speaker 2: and come.
Speaker 1: And Sally wasn't even there this week.
Speaker 2: So I turned I and I, you know, this guy's
Speaker 2: never met me. I turned, I looked at him and
Speaker 2: I go, you know, you know what, I'm tired of
Speaker 2: talking about a guy that has zero chance to win
Speaker 2: this tournament. I turned it back to Jay.
Speaker 3: I kept talking, Wow, savage, Andy, Andy is better than
Speaker 3: anyone I know, completely just icing down someone looking for
Speaker 3: a conversation. It's on at the players first hand that
Speaker 3: he just completely puts a wall up and shoots it
Speaker 3: down right away. Amazing, amazing, pre eminent talent.
Speaker 1: You must be real. Yeah, you must be really fun
Speaker 1: in elevators.
Speaker 2: You know. I don't want people to get a wrong impression.
Speaker 2: I am very friendly, but you know, I had not.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to talk about Phil. I'd already seen
Speaker 2: eight thousand stories written about the same thing with no updates,
Speaker 2: stories every day about the same exact thing, and I
Speaker 2: really didn't want to hear about it. Man, So we'll
Speaker 2: we'll now land on that note.
Speaker 3: Alright, alright, alright guys, thanks, have a good one, yeah,