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Speaker 1: how Stuff Works dot com. Hey, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Pryett, there's Jerry.
Speaker 1: Guess what Jerry's doing. She's eating your lunch, which is
Speaker 1: what she always does. So that makes this Stuff you
Speaker 1: Should Know. Uh, just back from the road. Big grueling
Speaker 1: to to city tour. It was kind of grueling because
Speaker 1: I get really really nervous before d C shows in particular. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so thank you to Boston, Massachusetts, the Commonwealth making it
Speaker 1: nice and easy and relaxing the Commonwealth in the district
Speaker 1: we didn't go to We didn't go to a state. No,
Speaker 1: we didn't, did we. Yeah, you know those porschemos in
Speaker 1: um in DC can't even they don't even have representation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they can buy weed. Really, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's I don't know if they
Speaker 1: have shops, but I know that DC is one of
Speaker 1: the places that supposedly voted it in, but he usually
Speaker 1: takes years after to roll that out. It's a big thing.
Speaker 1: I read a really really interesting article. I think I
Speaker 1: was in The New Yorker years back when, right after
Speaker 1: Washington and Oregon passed and they were the first pass
Speaker 1: recreational right. And I can't remember who it profiled or
Speaker 1: what state the guy was working for, but it was
Speaker 1: this guy who basically was like, Okay, the voters voted
Speaker 1: this in, go figure out how to do this, and like,
Speaker 1: do it right so that we actually get rid of
Speaker 1: illegal weed and organized crime and all that stuff. But also, um,
Speaker 1: don't hurt the alcohol lobby. Like this guy had so
Speaker 1: many interesting air or balls juggling in the air that
Speaker 1: it was a really great article. Check it out. I
Speaker 1: don't remember what it was called. I'm pretty sure it
Speaker 1: was The New Yorker, No recollection of the year. Go wait,
Speaker 1: I just left. So we're talking today, not about weed
Speaker 1: or the New Yorker or anything like that, even Jerry's lunch, Chuck.
Speaker 1: We're talking about Ferrari's one of the most beautiful cars,
Speaker 1: car lines, one of the greatest automotive manufacturers of all time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny dudes like you and I. Obviously there's one
Speaker 1: Ferrari to us, although I have grown to appreciate other
Speaker 1: Ferraris over the years, like the Ferres Bueller Ferrari and
Speaker 1: some of those older cool ones. But for guys like us,
Speaker 1: the Magnum p I Ferrari is the Ferrari to indel Ferraris.
Speaker 1: Is that like the Yes, I think I don't even remember.
Speaker 1: I just call it the Magnum. That's all you need
Speaker 1: to call it. One of the greatest looking cars in
Speaker 1: the history of cars. And I'm not even a sports
Speaker 1: car guy, right, No, I'm not either, but that is
Speaker 1: probably the greatest car ever made. It's dope, yea. So
Speaker 1: Magnum could rock that thing, and if you watch him
Speaker 1: get in and out of it, it's pretty funny. Just
Speaker 1: that alone is like, Wow, it's a really well made car.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and you also like it's Tom Sell like
Speaker 1: nine tall, Yeah, he kind of is. And are his
Speaker 1: shorts that small? But that that Ferrari that I think
Speaker 1: it's a Yes, it was, um, Yes, his shorts were
Speaker 1: very small. Um a lot of thigh On that show,
Speaker 1: it was like a clown car basically when he'd get
Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah, you know, Higgins would come after
Speaker 1: and wreck. Man, what a show. But that's not the
Speaker 1: Ferrari that we're talking about today, and I want to say, so,
Speaker 1: there's some numbers that are in here. I went and
Speaker 1: looked up the real numbers. These are way way, way low.
Speaker 1: But as far as value of the car, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you want to get fascinated, everybody, even if you're not
Speaker 1: into Ferraris, just type in some of the names of
Speaker 1: the Ferraris that we're going to throw out there today
Speaker 1: in the years and you will find an entire world
Speaker 1: out there of breathtaking lee rich people who buy Greek
Speaker 1: tycoons half a million dollar cars, you know, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean people value different things. Obviously. I've never been a
Speaker 1: guy that that thought, like a seventy five thousand dollar car.
Speaker 1: I've probably just thought why would somebody spend that kind
Speaker 1: of money. But some people, you know, they love their car,
Speaker 1: so that's their jam. You know. That's kind of what
Speaker 1: this episode is for. It's a car episode from two
Speaker 1: guys who are not car guys, So dig in and
Speaker 1: prepared to be outraged a moment after a moment. I've
Speaker 1: got my kind of SUV that my brother thinks is
Speaker 1: a minivan. It's a crossover. Is that what they're called now?
Speaker 1: A crossover is like a car and suv. Yours is
Speaker 1: a minivan in an suv crossover. Yeah, I drive a
Speaker 1: Honda Pilot now, everybody, and the Pilot underwent a change
Speaker 1: from looking like a four runner type of suv a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I think then they kind of
Speaker 1: shrunk it and squatted it to where it sort of
Speaker 1: looks like their minivan, put a clown nose on the front.
Speaker 1: I try to get a minivan and try to get
Speaker 1: the Honda Odyssey and him, and it was like, no,
Speaker 1: we're not getting a minivan. Well I saw it just
Speaker 1: yesterday and I can tell you it's a fine looking
Speaker 1: car ship and you're like, totally normal. Drive again. First
Speaker 1: time I've ever had leather seats under my butt? That
Speaker 1: is so nice. Here at forty seven years old, and
Speaker 1: you're just like, fart, that's how you fired in a
Speaker 1: leather seat classy like well, Plus, it doesn't absorb like
Speaker 1: those class seats a little stinky. Oh they do, they do,
Speaker 1: and like it accumulates over time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's why if you're ever gonna buy a a used car, everybody,
Speaker 1: which frankly, I think you always should smell the seat. No,
Speaker 1: just do yourself a solid and splurge on the leather
Speaker 1: because you can wipe those off, right, But I do.
Speaker 1: Everyone take hard. It's still I'm true to my roots.
Speaker 1: I have my pickup truck because it's paid for and
Speaker 1: I still use it for hauling nice garbage. That's that's
Speaker 1: my side job, is it. I didn't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool. Good trash. Good to know. Do you have
Speaker 1: a card? I know, you just flag me down. I'll
Speaker 1: just drive around yelling out the window. It's a good idea.
Speaker 1: You don't need a card. Why waste money on this? Exactly?
Speaker 1: So we're talking Ferraris today, and we're talking specifically a
Speaker 1: two year period in the nineteen seventies when not one,
Speaker 1: but two Ferraris made the news for being buried kind
Speaker 1: of not Yeah, if you if you want to um terrify,
Speaker 1: horrify a Ferrari enthusiast talk about burying their their favorite car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially how they did it the second way. All right,
Speaker 1: should we start out with the first one? Yes? Alright,
Speaker 1: Spring and Beverly Hills very lovely, I imagine, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it's always lovely out there in Beverly Hills. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the slogan they put on the T shirts. That's right.
Speaker 1: There was a socialite named and she was married to well,
Speaker 1: the story is a little convoluted, but she was the
Speaker 1: widow of a Texas oil tycoon named Mike West. And
Speaker 1: these are this is the bare bones beginning. She was
Speaker 1: married to this guy. He died and she had a
Speaker 1: car that she loved, a Ferrari America American nineteen. And
Speaker 1: her wish was to be buried in this thing. And
Speaker 1: we'll go ahead and leap to the end and say
Speaker 1: that did happen, And now we'll fill it in with
Speaker 1: all the exciting details. Yeah, so this this lady, Sandra West,
Speaker 1: She actually was born and raised in Beverly Hills. Her
Speaker 1: parents owned a clothing store, and so she was like
Speaker 1: middle class um, but she was a looker and she
Speaker 1: started dating like hunky stars like Elvis. She was hot
Speaker 1: to Trot and Sinatra. I think that's actually fair to say.
Speaker 1: She was a fun loving person, but also a very
Speaker 1: um lonely person, as we will see. So she she
Speaker 1: um starts dating around and she ends up dating a
Speaker 1: guy named Saul West. Yeah, a little weird how this
Speaker 1: all happened. So Saul West was a tech this oil tycoon,
Speaker 1: and um, he was actually he was actually well he
Speaker 1: wasn't away, but he was actually a younger the younger
Speaker 1: brother of I Quest. So Sandra West when she meets Saul,
Speaker 1: she doesn't know that I Quests exist, and she's not
Speaker 1: super happy with Saul. Apparently he ran around on her
Speaker 1: and everything. Um, and she was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: you haven't a brother, and he's an older brother and
Speaker 1: we all know what that means. And he's the true
Speaker 1: heir to the family fortune. Where is he do you say?
Speaker 1: And Saul was like, oh, he's just a washed up loser.
Speaker 1: He loves drugs and drinking. And the parents they they're
Speaker 1: sick of them, so they sent him down to Mexico
Speaker 1: to live with his bodyguard. Yeah, that's where you got
Speaker 1: to clean up. That's another episode right there. We need
Speaker 1: to go. I looked into Ike West. There's not a
Speaker 1: lot about him online. Yeah, I wonder, I mean, we're
Speaker 1: Is it disparaging to say that she was a gold digger. No,
Speaker 1: yes it is. She undertook and carried out a project successfully,
Speaker 1: which is very rich guy. Right, But here's the thing,
Speaker 1: Like she could have married Saul West. He was rich.
Speaker 1: It's not like he didn't have access to the family fortune.
Speaker 1: He was the one of the I think two brothers
Speaker 1: who was in the good graces of the family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's not like he didn't have an allowance, right.
Speaker 1: She apparently wasn't really happy with Saul West, so she
Speaker 1: went after I quest and it wasn't like just you know,
Speaker 1: picking the lowest hanging fruit, like she had to work
Speaker 1: for this, and she did. She like took this dude
Speaker 1: who was down and out in Mexico, living with his
Speaker 1: body gone down and out in Beverly Hills. No, that
Speaker 1: was Nicknulty, Yes, because his family kicked him out of
Speaker 1: the US to go live in Mexico and just basically
Speaker 1: do whatever you're gonna do. God knows what this guy
Speaker 1: did in Mexico. Yeah, but she went down there, like
Speaker 1: you said, um, cleaned him up, I guess, got him
Speaker 1: off drugs. And he must have thought, you know, this
Speaker 1: is this is great. This lady came all the way
Speaker 1: down here, My brother's girlfriend came all the way down
Speaker 1: here right to take care of me. Well, she definitely did,
Speaker 1: and he turned over a new leaf. He said, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm I'm gonna come back to the United States.
Speaker 1: And I want to take the reins of this company
Speaker 1: that is rightfully mine and this is my wife and
Speaker 1: or my wife to be. I'm gonna ask her to
Speaker 1: marry me. And they got married. Yeah, so she cleans
Speaker 1: the dude up. They get married, and then first thing
Speaker 1: is she's like, okay, now we're moving to Beverly Hills,
Speaker 1: and I want a Ferrari And he bought her Ferrari,
Speaker 1: bought her the nineteen sixty four Ferrari America three thirty
Speaker 1: good car. And um, I looked and it's it was
Speaker 1: the Ferrari three thirty S n what chuck five zero
Speaker 1: five five? And I was like, what is S? And
Speaker 1: I can't see it? Yes, so I looked. There are
Speaker 1: so few of those made Ferraris, like these vintage Ferraris
Speaker 1: that they'll actually put the serial number after it. And
Speaker 1: the serial number is usually a very small number. It's
Speaker 1: not like one of these ones that they ran out
Speaker 1: of numbers, so they started using letters. It's like four
Speaker 1: five numbers usually, right, like my Honda Pilot. When they
Speaker 1: gave it to me, they were like, here's her Honda
Speaker 1: pilot serial number right eight zero nine slash a J two. Right.
Speaker 1: He just checked your wats in the middle of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's the one I want. So they
Speaker 1: will actually like they they if you look, they'll look,
Speaker 1: they'll add the serial number after the name of like
Speaker 1: this specific car is what they're talking about. And they
Speaker 1: can do that because this particular Ferrari America, the nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty four that she had, was one of just fifty
Speaker 1: ever made. So it was a hot car right out
Speaker 1: of the gate. All right. So they're in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: He has health problems because he had that history of
Speaker 1: abusing his body. Um, he had some rapid weight fluctuations,
Speaker 1: which is never great for your health, and he ended
Speaker 1: up dying. Uh, in Las Vegas at the Flamingo Hotel.
Speaker 1: What a way to go under what is labeled here
Speaker 1: is mysterious circumstances. It's all it's labeled anywhere. I can't
Speaker 1: find anything out about it. I wonder how many people
Speaker 1: have died at the Flamingo Hotel under mysterious circumstances over
Speaker 1: the years whose family successfully covered it up. So that's
Speaker 1: a couple of shmows like us years and years later,
Speaker 1: forty fifty years later, can't find out what happened. Right,
Speaker 1: So how long were they married? Do you know when
Speaker 1: what year they got married? So I believe in nineteen Okay,
Speaker 1: so they were married a short four years. But nevertheless,
Speaker 1: Sandrow West became heiress to that. Yeah, she got Ike's
Speaker 1: claim to the to the company. His share went to
Speaker 1: her after he died. Right, And that's the thing, like
Speaker 1: you can you know, you can say what you will
Speaker 1: about you know, her setting her sights on the true
Speaker 1: heir him um living pretty fast, but they appeared to
Speaker 1: very much love each other. He left her his share
Speaker 1: of the family fortune. She took his last name. Um.
Speaker 1: She said that she when she filled out a will,
Speaker 1: she wanted to be buried in Texas next to her husband,
Speaker 1: not in Beverly Hills, where she was born and raised
Speaker 1: and spent most of her life. So they were like
Speaker 1: an actual real couple. Um. So I have the impression
Speaker 1: that when he died, like there was something missing for
Speaker 1: sure in her life, especially considering that she is round
Speaker 1: known as a fairly um, a lonely person. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like me and Emily. I married her for her
Speaker 1: dowry as the daughter of a Central Ohio um auto
Speaker 1: glass magnate. Right, but it's real you know that's right,
Speaker 1: So well maybe we should take what were you about
Speaker 1: to say? He's laughing at Auto Glass Magnate. That's what
Speaker 1: he does, Seneco glass. Everybody plug in father and lass company.
Speaker 1: Nice job. You need someone to come out and you
Speaker 1: had a tree fall on your window. Rick will take
Speaker 1: care of you. That's nice. That is nice. Uh. Which
Speaker 1: he's gonna be at our Cleveland show by the way,
Speaker 1: which is great. He should be. It's like right there, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: all right, maybe we should take a break because I
Speaker 1: see the words Ingelbert humper Dink in front of me.
Speaker 1: We'll come back and reveal the secret right after this?
Speaker 1: What secret? Well, she dated Inclbert humperdnk Okay yeah, after
Speaker 1: like West died, right, she basically made the scene. She
Speaker 1: became a Hollywood socialite. Yes. And I went to see
Speaker 1: him in concert when I was a little kid. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was one of those like I always say my
Speaker 1: first concert was cheap trick because that was the first
Speaker 1: one that I paid to go see. But my parents,
Speaker 1: as much as they didn't like music, they weirdly took
Speaker 1: me to see Kenney Rogers uh Inclbert Humper Dink and
Speaker 1: I think Bobby Goldsboro. Those are the three shows that
Speaker 1: I have some faint recollection of being in the b
Speaker 1: Those are some good early shows. And my mom saw Elvis.
Speaker 1: I didn't go, but yeah, I think you told me
Speaker 1: that on that very last tour. I think that was
Speaker 1: in the grace Land episode. Probably so so us Angelbert
Speaker 1: Humperdink is one of the people she dated. She she
Speaker 1: made a name for herself dressing up as the Texas
Speaker 1: Rodeo Queen, wearing like fringe e stuff with Ryan stones
Speaker 1: and a cowboy hat. She went out to Rodeo Drive
Speaker 1: and we should we should say that she was like
Speaker 1: a genuine, legitimate died in the wool car enthusiast. Not
Speaker 1: only did she have that America three thirty, she also
Speaker 1: had a GTS. Uh no, I'm sorry at three g
Speaker 1: T and a Dino. Is it a Dino? Do you know?
Speaker 1: I think it's probably Dino, Okay, and a Dino. She
Speaker 1: had three Ferraris plus also a Stuts Blackhawk. If it
Speaker 1: is so, Elvis like that car a lot. Actually it's
Speaker 1: a It looks like a luxury land yacht married a
Speaker 1: muscle car and that's what came out. You should look
Speaker 1: at Elvis it's a neat, neat car, but apparently it
Speaker 1: got like eight miles to the gallon. Well that's also
Speaker 1: why I Alvis loved it, like two and a half tons.
Speaker 1: I don't want an efficient car, and and that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Uh So, you know she would do crazy things like well,
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't super crazy, but she would bop
Speaker 1: around town in that Ferrari and like go to the
Speaker 1: uh Chasen's and Beverly Hills in order of Burger to
Speaker 1: go and speed out of there in a Ferrari in
Speaker 1: her rodeo outfit. So she was sort of well known
Speaker 1: in town. Is a bit of an eccentric And by
Speaker 1: that I think we mean she like pills a lot. Well, sure,
Speaker 1: it's the seventies, so uh yeah, so she lived fast,
Speaker 1: but she had fun. I guess it's the way to
Speaker 1: put it right. The fast died young. She did die young.
Speaker 1: So in her America, she got into a car wreck
Speaker 1: and sustained some injuries and she seemed to be on
Speaker 1: the men she was getting better, but she from what
Speaker 1: I understand, she was given a nurse and a doctor
Speaker 1: to oversee her the drugs that she was taking as
Speaker 1: a result of the car wreck while she was mending um.
Speaker 1: And then one night I guess she had taken too
Speaker 1: much or else she got her hands on some mother
Speaker 1: drugs and she overdosed, apparently on codeine and barbiturous from
Speaker 1: what I saw, very sad. However, this is where the
Speaker 1: story gets a little strange. That that was in seventy
Speaker 1: seven when she passed, and in nineteen two, five years previous,
Speaker 1: she actually thought ahead of time and said, I want
Speaker 1: to be buried next to my husband. See in my
Speaker 1: late night gown by Porter Loring. It was I guess,
Speaker 1: just the the go to mortuary mortician, hot mortician in
Speaker 1: San Antonio. Uh, and I want to be buried in
Speaker 1: my ferrari with and this is a quote with a
Speaker 1: seat slanted comfortably. Yeah. She didn't want to be sitting
Speaker 1: straight up right for eternity, of course not. So here's
Speaker 1: the thing for her will to be carried out. It
Speaker 1: fell to her brother in law slash ex boyfriend, Saul West.
Speaker 1: Saul was not very amused by the prospect of having
Speaker 1: to do this. I'm sure he was like, are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? So? Um? After all this, Yeah, because not
Speaker 1: only is it bearing a ferrari, the other ferrars got
Speaker 1: auctioned off for ridiculous amounts of money. Some of her
Speaker 1: jewelry after her death was auctioned off for things when
Speaker 1: I think one of them is like three fifty grand
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy seven dollars for one of her rings.
Speaker 1: Another one's like a hundred and fifty grand for another ring,
Speaker 1: and her ferraris were auctioned off. So her state was
Speaker 1: being liquidated. The idea of burying one of these cars
Speaker 1: with her, who I would guess he probably didn't like
Speaker 1: very much. Um, that was bad enough, but on top
Speaker 1: of it, this funeral was going to cost about fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in nineteen seventy seven dollars. So he went
Speaker 1: to a judge and said, this lady was wacko. There's
Speaker 1: no way I should have to do this, judge now.
Speaker 1: And the judge is like, all right, wait, we're gonna
Speaker 1: put a hold on all this. Let's put Ms His
Speaker 1: west on Ice in a mausoleum literally, and uh, we're
Speaker 1: going to start all this out. So they did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So her position, Dr Raymond Weston Um had to testify
Speaker 1: and says, well, she was a bizarre woman for sure.
Speaker 1: Um and he described her as a psychotic with a
Speaker 1: tendency towards paranoia and hallucination. But the judge was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it really doesn't matter. If these were her wishes,
Speaker 1: then it's legally we have to carry them out. So
Speaker 1: the final ruling came down that yes, we are going
Speaker 1: to bury this woman in her ferrari, right, and by we,
Speaker 1: I mean you saw the judge was not so sol
Speaker 1: did it. He hired Porter loring as um as Sandra
Speaker 1: had had stipulated, and um they shipped the Ferrari out
Speaker 1: from Beverly Hills, UH to be outfitted with Sandra, who
Speaker 1: was wearing her lace nighty, put into the car and
Speaker 1: then put into a casket, an enormous giant casket, and
Speaker 1: then um taken by train out to the graveyard where
Speaker 1: a crane was waiting to the ferrari was in a casket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they put the whole thing in a casket. Well I
Speaker 1: guess that makes sense, Sure it does. It's a big
Speaker 1: old casket, was it? The didn't Elon must send up?
Speaker 1: Oh no, of course that was a tesla right. It
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, wasn't there a ferrari in space? No,
Speaker 1: it's a test Yeah, that would have not make it
Speaker 1: any sense whatsoever. And it makes you wonder, like, who
Speaker 1: really is Starman? Which of his enemies was unlucky enough
Speaker 1: to be shot alive into space to die out there
Speaker 1: while the whole world was watching, you know? And that's
Speaker 1: because he's got a touch of super villain to him,
Speaker 1: you think, Yeah, we're just all very fortunate that he's
Speaker 1: not super villain because would be in big trouble if
Speaker 1: he want keeps it all in check. Sure, so the
Speaker 1: story very sadly sort of ended, although she got her wish,
Speaker 1: she didn't she didn't have like a lot of friends,
Speaker 1: like apparently the people that attended her funeral were her
Speaker 1: attorneys and nurses and doctors and stuff like that. Uh.
Speaker 1: So it was sort of a sad ending to this
Speaker 1: lady's wacky life to be buried in a nineteen ft long,
Speaker 1: ten ft wide, nine ft deep grave in her Ferrari right,
Speaker 1: which they filled with cement around so nobody could try
Speaker 1: to get or that nightgown. But she got her wish,
Speaker 1: her wish came true. Yeah, so happy ending, Sure, sad
Speaker 1: ending happy uh And apparently now there it is still
Speaker 1: visited by people. Where is it san Antonio. People will
Speaker 1: go by and see where this Ferrari is buried. Yes,
Speaker 1: you to San Antonio? Did you go by there? I didn't,
Speaker 1: And I knew about this, but I didn't realize she
Speaker 1: was in San Antonio. We would have totally gone. It
Speaker 1: sounds like something that you guys will put on your list. Well,
Speaker 1: it's on the list now. I'll tell you that. Should
Speaker 1: we take a break? No, should we barrel into the
Speaker 1: second one? Then take a break? Yeah? All right, we
Speaker 1: stay in California because that's where this kind of crazy
Speaker 1: stuff happens. Well, we have to go back to California
Speaker 1: because we were just in San Antonio. Good point. Watching
Speaker 1: the three hundred spectators watched Sandra West get buried. It
Speaker 1: was really weird, that's right. So we go to south
Speaker 1: central Los Angeles, the West Athens part, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know where West Athens was until I looked it up
Speaker 1: nine Street roughly. Uh, it's sort of by the one
Speaker 1: ten right, Yeah, it's kind of like east of Hawthorne. Um,
Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're talking about. I just
Speaker 1: made up that one tin thing. I looked it up
Speaker 1: to though. I was like, because I had seen it
Speaker 1: referred to the South Central, but then everything else said
Speaker 1: west Athens and I'm like, what is that? So I
Speaker 1: looked and then we're Beverly Hills in Hollywood are and
Speaker 1: that's it, right, pretty pretty much in Venice the water,
Speaker 1: but it is it's like in the south part of
Speaker 1: South Central, the southwest part of South Central. I think
Speaker 1: that seems about right near. Yes, okay, alright, so we're oriented,
Speaker 1: and uh, there's a staff reporter from the l A
Speaker 1: Times named Priscilla Paynton who's going to figure in because
Speaker 1: she kind of covered the story and it is in depth,
Speaker 1: and well, this story is a little weird. We're going
Speaker 1: to tell you the story, but the story is not
Speaker 1: quite accurate, but we're gonna We're gonna go and tell
Speaker 1: it as it was originally written, which is what people
Speaker 1: thought it was for decades and decades. That's right. So
Speaker 1: there were some kids digging around in the dirt in
Speaker 1: their neighborhood, which is what kids are or to do.
Speaker 1: This probably a little horseplay. I'm sure one kid was
Speaker 1: probably self conscious. There was a lot of kids stuff
Speaker 1: going on, lots of kids stuff, and they were digging
Speaker 1: around and they felt something not too deep that felt
Speaker 1: hard and said this. You know, I guess they probably
Speaker 1: brushed the dirt away and said, this looks like like
Speaker 1: maybe the roof of a car. That's a weird thing
Speaker 1: to find at nineteen Street, but it's kind of a
Speaker 1: weird thing to find anywhere buried underground, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So they got a cop involved pretty quickly, which was,
Speaker 1: you know, a great thing for these kids to do.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done that. I would have gotten shovel
Speaker 1: and seeing what was going on. Oh yeah, oh sure.
Speaker 1: So okay, well these kids were a little a little
Speaker 1: more do gooder than you, apparently, right, So they flagged
Speaker 1: down a cop and then the next thing you know,
Speaker 1: there's two detectives on the scene, Detective Joe Sabbaths and
Speaker 1: Detective Dennis Carroll, who would become forever known around as
Speaker 1: precinct as Lenny Carroll because Priscilla Painter Painting called him
Speaker 1: that accidentally. She put down that was his name in
Speaker 1: the story. Oh if only Joe had become Carl, yeah,
Speaker 1: Carl and Lenney, that would have been so wonderful. So
Speaker 1: Dennis Carroll and Joe Sabbath were working this thing when
Speaker 1: Priscilla Painting comes out and she's watching this, this whole
Speaker 1: thing goes going down and this is what she's seeing.
Speaker 1: She sees all of a sudden, now there's a there's
Speaker 1: an earth mover. There's a whole bunch of sheriff's deputies
Speaker 1: with shovels, also earth movers, but different kinds, you know.
Speaker 1: And they're digging around this car and they're they're getting
Speaker 1: more and more dirt off of it. And um, Sabbath
Speaker 1: and Carol see that there's a car under there, but
Speaker 1: it's covered in like rugs and plastic. And somebody tried
Speaker 1: to kind of intomb the car, mummify it, I guess,
Speaker 1: is how one of the guys from gelop Nick put it.
Speaker 1: And what it was was a Dino to six gts
Speaker 1: and this also had a serial number, oh seven eight
Speaker 1: six too, and uh, they kind of duck through the car.
Speaker 1: They eventually got it out. They dug through the trunk.
Speaker 1: There was no one buried in it. No, no drugs.
Speaker 1: Are big suitcases of cash or something you might expect
Speaker 1: to find in a buried ferrari. Yeah, you like, who
Speaker 1: would just bury a ferrari? This became an actual, like
Speaker 1: huge question. Well, they ran the plates and found pretty
Speaker 1: quickly that it had been stolen, that it was listed
Speaker 1: as stolen, and so they started digging into it, right
Speaker 1: literally they did. That was that's a good catch. So
Speaker 1: um they found that back in vour this eight in
Speaker 1: four the car had been hearted stolen by the original owner,
Speaker 1: a man named Rosando Cruise. And Rosando Cruise and his
Speaker 1: wife had gone to dinner at the Brown Derby on Wilshire,
Speaker 1: um for their anniversary. Yeah. Well we should point out though,
Speaker 1: as originally reported, they said that it was in surprisingly
Speaker 1: good condition. Okay, this is Priscilla Paynton saying that in
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles time. Kind of an important uh key
Speaker 1: little clue here, right Okay, So, um, at the brown
Speaker 1: Derby Rosando Cruise and his wife for celebrating their um,
Speaker 1: their anniversary. And he had just bought her recently a car,
Speaker 1: I think for her birthday or something like that. Um,
Speaker 1: and he was doing pretty well. Apparently he was a
Speaker 1: plumber by trade. I would guess he owned his own company. Um.
Speaker 1: But he had bought his wife a Ferrari that at
Speaker 1: the time had cost about twenty two thousand dollars is
Speaker 1: how much I had sent him back, which is well
Speaker 1: over seventy thousand dollars in two thousand seventeen. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So he when they got there, he had noticed that
Speaker 1: the valet was looking a little too anxious to get
Speaker 1: the keys from him, and he's like, I'm not letting
Speaker 1: these guys get Ferrest Bueller my car. His wife was like,
Speaker 1: what does that mean. He's like, just give it a
Speaker 1: decade or so and you'll see. So he decided to
Speaker 1: just go parking himself on on Wilshire Boulevard much safer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good idea. And so when he came back, the car
Speaker 1: was gone. That's right, the car was gone. Um. There
Speaker 1: were no leads as to who took it. Uh, as
Speaker 1: far as the detectives were concerned, and Farmer's Insurance group said,
Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna pay. We're gonna pay this
Speaker 1: thing off at a loss of that uh dollar dollar
Speaker 1: dollar dollars to the legal owner, um, which at this
Speaker 1: point was the was the Bank of America, very very
Speaker 1: big point as well. Okay, so so basically the what
Speaker 1: you just said, the shot of it is they said, okay,
Speaker 1: we looked into it. The car was stolen. It's gone. Uh,
Speaker 1: Farmer's Insurance, you need to pay the owner of the car,
Speaker 1: which is the bank, and it's all just done. This
Speaker 1: is four years prior, right, So when the car turns up, um,
Speaker 1: like you said Priscilla Paynton, Well you want to take
Speaker 1: a break. Nice cliffhanger. Okay. I took nice cliffhanger as
Speaker 1: a yes. You meant yes, right, yes, okay, good, Well
Speaker 1: we're back so um like you said, Priscilla Payton had said,
Speaker 1: the car seemed in surprisingly good condition. She patented a
Speaker 1: good picture, she did, but un incorrect picture, that's right.
Speaker 1: So basically she set off this huge frenzy among Ferrari enthusiasts.
Speaker 1: A Dino Dino had been discovered underground, had been written
Speaker 1: off by an insurance company, and it was in surprisingly
Speaker 1: good condition. That meant that they could probably get a
Speaker 1: pretty good deal on it. And everybody wanted it. And
Speaker 1: everybody started lighting up the switchboard at Farmers Insurance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I get the idea that not only could they
Speaker 1: get this Ferrari and and do whatever little restoration it needed,
Speaker 1: but there's also just the story behind it made it
Speaker 1: kind of a cool thing. Yeah, this was the car
Speaker 1: buried in south central Los Angeles. Yeah, and I look
Speaker 1: at it now. This made national news it also is
Speaker 1: Sandra wests burial made national news and that had just
Speaker 1: been several months before. Um, so the you know, the
Speaker 1: two were compared. It was buried Ferrari fever in the US.
Speaker 1: And how close that was very close? Interesting, I mean
Speaker 1: different years. But she was buried in May, and this
Speaker 1: happened I think in um like the following year or
Speaker 1: like less than a year later. Okay, all right, So
Speaker 1: the car actually was not in good shape at all,
Speaker 1: to say the least, they were, And boy, I love this.
Speaker 1: This is why it's a Ferrari. Twenty one layers of paint,
Speaker 1: fourteen layers of primary, seven layers of paint. Um they were.
Speaker 1: It was in bad shape. The paint was freckled. It
Speaker 1: was had white spots all over it. Rust. Of course,
Speaker 1: you can't bury a Ferrari and cover it with rugs
Speaker 1: and expect it to you know, that'll take care of it.
Speaker 1: So rust it eaten through it through the body. Um.
Speaker 1: The leather interior was in bad shape. What did the
Speaker 1: thieves do with some towels? So they were smart enough
Speaker 1: to stuff towels into the intake to keep dirt and
Speaker 1: worms and stuff from getting into the engine. But they
Speaker 1: neglected to do that in the exhaust pipe. They had
Speaker 1: put some towels in between the window cracks, I think
Speaker 1: dangle the towels over the outside, but then didn't roll
Speaker 1: the windows all the way up. So they weren't doing
Speaker 1: a very good job. But in their defense, they had
Speaker 1: to bury Ferrari in the middle of Los Angeles. How
Speaker 1: did this How did this not get noticed? I don't know.
Speaker 1: But the cops when they canvass the area, the neighbors
Speaker 1: were like, we have no idea. The residents of the
Speaker 1: house were renters and they'd only lived there for three months.
Speaker 1: They had no idea. So they the cops just basically
Speaker 1: were like, well, it's a stolen car that was already
Speaker 1: written off. It's a it's a done case. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna break our backs trying to find out what happened here.
Speaker 1: It's pretty obvious what happened here, So they sent it
Speaker 1: off to Farmers. That's right in very bad shape. And
Speaker 1: even pulling this thing out of the dirt, obviously the
Speaker 1: engine compartment got crushed, uh, all scratched up and gouge.
Speaker 1: The windshield was smashed, which Rick Sen a Bogan it's
Speaker 1: in cod could have picked you right up, looks you're
Speaker 1: right up in an afternoon. Actually probably not, because imagined
Speaker 1: it for one shield like that is pretty hard to
Speaker 1: come by. Um sorry, Rick, but uh, the idea that
Speaker 1: someone could restore this thing was not true seemingly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and well, like Farmers was getting such um so many
Speaker 1: calls and we're having to deal with the public on
Speaker 1: such like a large scale that they decided to just
Speaker 1: put it on display. So anybody who called in inquiring
Speaker 1: about it, they said, well, here's the address. You can
Speaker 1: actually go bid on it if you want it, and um,
Speaker 1: people did, but they didn't really make too many serious bids.
Speaker 1: They mostly just stripped the car as best they could.
Speaker 1: Somebody took the dipstick. Even this Gelopnick article said, I
Speaker 1: wonder if that was just let me get a piece
Speaker 1: of this saying, or if it was like I can't
Speaker 1: find a dipstick for mine, maybe both you know, or
Speaker 1: eBay doesn't exist yet, but it will someday. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sell this thing for a million bucks. Yeah. So this
Speaker 1: was a couple of weeks on display in Pasadena. Where
Speaker 1: As this article says, everything that was not bolted down
Speaker 1: was kind of nicked from it. I can't believe they
Speaker 1: just didn't have security or something. Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: guess they weren't doing a very good time. I mean
Speaker 1: it was a junk Ferrari so but still, I mean
Speaker 1: they were taking bids on it. They didn't. It wasn't like,
Speaker 1: you know, come come take what you want and say, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's not like a starving artist sale at a hotel
Speaker 1: conference room or something, you know. Alright, So the long
Speaker 1: and short of it is, in the end, they did
Speaker 1: take some bids after it had been scrapped and gouged
Speaker 1: by onlookers. Right, So here's here's where the legend kind
Speaker 1: of picks up again. Right, You've got this car that
Speaker 1: has like a legendary status already, but it's also totally
Speaker 1: tragic if you are a Ferrari enthusiast. This is a sad,
Speaker 1: sad story. Um. But it's purchased by somebody, some unknown
Speaker 1: person actually, like a mechanic I think who owned his
Speaker 1: own garage in Burbank, tried to start it and like
Speaker 1: for for something. For some time, there were some dispatches
Speaker 1: coming out of this restoration project because the public apparently
Speaker 1: knew that this guy had actually gotten it to start,
Speaker 1: but then the engine just collapsed and it didn't look
Speaker 1: very good. Right, Yeah, what do you pay? But like
Speaker 1: between five and nine grand. Yeah, it's pretty good deal,
Speaker 1: but it was in pretty bad shape. Right. So after that,
Speaker 1: the Ferrari just kind of disappears for a little while.
Speaker 1: And then somehow the Ferrari enthusiasts public could confirm that
Speaker 1: the thing had been resurrected, it had been licensed, it
Speaker 1: had been restored to its former beauty. They had a
Speaker 1: new plate called dug Up, right, But then it just
Speaker 1: is gone. It's not listed on any of the Ferrari
Speaker 1: registries or the Dino registries or anything like that. It's
Speaker 1: just they know it's out there, but they don't know
Speaker 1: where it is. It just becomes like this phantom, which
Speaker 1: makes it even cooler. And that's where the story ended. Originally,
Speaker 1: there were there were a couple of Gelopnick articles and
Speaker 1: it's a good website, It really is a great website.
Speaker 1: And there was one Gelopnic writer in particular who was like,
Speaker 1: that was a pretty good article, but I want to
Speaker 1: know more about. His name was Mike Spinelli, and he
Speaker 1: did a follow up he dig he dug in even
Speaker 1: further to this legend. He wanted to find that Ferrari,
Speaker 1: and he actually ultimately was successful. But what he turned up, Chuck,
Speaker 1: was an even bigger twist to this story than digging
Speaker 1: up a Ferrari in the middle of south central Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: That's right. He ultimately found Dennis Carroll, that one of
Speaker 1: the original lead detectives Lenny and Carl he was, and
Speaker 1: he learned the true story, which was kids did not
Speaker 1: find this thing playing in the dirt. That didn't happen
Speaker 1: at all. It was actually discovered because of a tip
Speaker 1: from a c I right, and if you've seen the wire,
Speaker 1: you know what that stands for. It's a confidential informant.
Speaker 1: He was a heroin addict and I want to say
Speaker 1: he assume was guy for some reason. Yeah, it could
Speaker 1: go either way. Yeah, I just hear a confidential informant
Speaker 1: heroin addicted. I think, dude, not fair, ladies, I'm sorry, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she'll leave us out of that circle. Uh. So he
Speaker 1: and his partner had made Uh Lenny had had made
Speaker 1: up that story about the kids finding it. I guess
Speaker 1: because it was a police matter. It was a confidential informant,
Speaker 1: so they had to cook up this fake story. They
Speaker 1: I don't know if they had to, but they they
Speaker 1: wanted to sniff painting off the case. Um so so
Speaker 1: they Yeah, they just protected their source and said it
Speaker 1: was kids playing, and that became how this car was
Speaker 1: found for decades, that was the story. Any anyone you
Speaker 1: heard that story from, unless you were probably the wife
Speaker 1: of Joe Sabas or the wife of Dennis Carroll, they
Speaker 1: would say they would start with some kids were playing
Speaker 1: in a yard and found this car. Totally made up, right,
Speaker 1: So that's twist number one that they found. Twist number
Speaker 1: two is actually the fact that this was all a
Speaker 1: set up job to begin with by the own Did
Speaker 1: we say he was a plumber, Yeah, the plumber. Uh basically,
Speaker 1: I mean what could he not afford it? So he
Speaker 1: decided to have it professionally stolen to get an insurance claim.
Speaker 1: That's my impression, that's what he did. We don't know
Speaker 1: the reason behind it, I think for my interpretation, and
Speaker 1: it's up for interpretation because he was never charged with
Speaker 1: this crime. Oh really Yeah, it was written off as
Speaker 1: a loss right which we all pay for it. Let's
Speaker 1: be honest, right, Um, the the this is my this
Speaker 1: is the Josh Clark interpretation of this crime. Rosando Cruz
Speaker 1: very much loved his life his wife, so he bought
Speaker 1: her a Ferrari that he couldn't afford. But did I
Speaker 1: say he very much loved his wife, he didn't want
Speaker 1: to tell her that he needed the ferrari back. He
Speaker 1: arranged for it to be stolen and maybe make some
Speaker 1: money on the side as well, and then he would
Speaker 1: pretend to be mad that the ferrari was stolen, and
Speaker 1: all of his problems would be solved, right, which is
Speaker 1: why he cooked up the story about being wary of
Speaker 1: the valet parkers. So this is why I need to
Speaker 1: park it on Wilshire and that's where it was arranged,
Speaker 1: pre arranged to be taken. And he he kind of
Speaker 1: thought like, oh, you're gonna like strip it for parks
Speaker 1: and then drive it into a ravine, Yes, which makes
Speaker 1: sense in a weird way. Right, then you could fence
Speaker 1: the parts so you get some extra money, and then
Speaker 1: he would pay them out of the insurance claim. That's
Speaker 1: not how it went down. He didn't say bury this
Speaker 1: thing in south central l A right without stripping it
Speaker 1: of basically any parts. I think they took the the
Speaker 1: Ferrari logo off of the back of the car. But
Speaker 1: everything else was points to the idea that the thieves
Speaker 1: were gonna did Mike D's first necklace, but they they
Speaker 1: every all of the way that the car was buried
Speaker 1: points to the idea that the thieves were gonna come
Speaker 1: back for it some day. There was an attempt to
Speaker 1: preserve it. Let me throw some rugs on this, and
Speaker 1: not only are we getting paid for steal on the Ferrari,
Speaker 1: but we're going to dig it up and drive it
Speaker 1: out of the whole one. Yeah yeah, wow, because it's
Speaker 1: got all wheel drive probably that's pretty amazing. So um,
Speaker 1: from what I understand, Rosander Cruiz was never charged with
Speaker 1: this crime, even though the cops knew. Good for him,
Speaker 1: I guess, um. But and that was just my interpretation.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to cast any shade on him, but
Speaker 1: just from my research. If that's not the case, my apologies,
Speaker 1: But that that is what it looks like to me.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. He didn't get the check. The Bank
Speaker 1: of America got this well. Yeah, so if that was
Speaker 1: the point, he didn't think it through very well well,
Speaker 1: but he was out from under those payments at least, right.
Speaker 1: That's why I think he did it. He didn't have
Speaker 1: to pay that like seven hundred dollars a month. I
Speaker 1: can't imagine, though, I mean, like I think about it.
Speaker 1: Just think about buying an eighty thousand dollar car. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of dough dough, it's a lot chuck. But
Speaker 1: now that car would be worth about three hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Well it's still around though, right, yes it is. Sorry,
Speaker 1: there's still more to the story. Yeah, guy named Brad
Speaker 1: Howard actually owns this car that was buried and trashed underground,
Speaker 1: which is a pretty amazing into this story is that
Speaker 1: this thing is actually restored to its former glory and
Speaker 1: still owned by a guy. Yeah, and the guy Mike
Speaker 1: Spinelli makes this point that, um, when the Ferrari was found,
Speaker 1: it was in pretty bad shape, despite what Priscilla Paynton
Speaker 1: said in the article, But it could have been in way, way,
Speaker 1: way worse shape. And the reason why it wasn't in
Speaker 1: in worse shape than it was was because those years
Speaker 1: seventy between ninety six seven and most of night there
Speaker 1: was a huge drought in southern California, the same drought
Speaker 1: that actually created skateboarding. Because nobody could fill up their pools.
Speaker 1: So skaters started skating the Z Town Dogtown z boys.
Speaker 1: There you go. They they started skape warding because of
Speaker 1: this drought. That same drought preserved this car a little
Speaker 1: bit underground, more than it would have been had it
Speaker 1: rained a lot. Right, And that's the end of that chapter,
Speaker 1: Paul Harvey style. So you got anything else? No? I mean,
Speaker 1: I wonder if this has happened again, maybe we'll do
Speaker 1: a whole suite on buried cars. I would love to
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, if somebody, if you know that there's
Speaker 1: especially if somebody buried another Ferrari, let us know. We'll
Speaker 1: add it and make it a hat trick. Please. Uh.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, you can go look up buried Ferrari's
Speaker 1: all over the internet and on gelot Nick in particular,
Speaker 1: who did a great job of digging this story up.
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