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Right. 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: Or like you said, doctors have medical mal assurance where 46 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: if they do something by accident and they cause a 47 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: permanent scar, right now, you can sue the hospital, sue 48 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 2: the doctor, and then their insurance will cover that, right, 49 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: even if it's by accident. So it's like, okay, well, 50 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: why not hold police officers to that same thing and 51 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 2: have them have individual errors and omission policy. Right. So now, 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: even if it's you're paying one hundred dollars a month, 53 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: fifty dollars a month, whatever you're paying, right, seventy five 54 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: dollars a month from millions of people adds up, right, 55 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: So now you have hundreds of millions of dollars. Now 56 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: that's how insurance works. Where now, okay, if I have 57 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: to pay twenty million, it's not coming from X, Y 58 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: and Z taxpayer, is coming from the police department, which 59 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: they should be responsible for. Right, So talk about that 60 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: because that's a national This is kind of a national 61 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: issue that you're championing, right, so talk about like really 62 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: drill that home, how that really impacts people's pockets, and 63 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: how when we talk about police reform, that's not really 64 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: talked about a lot. We talk about police reform, we 65 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: talk about less guns, but we don't really talk about 66 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: the financial aspects of police reform. 67 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: So it's an exact perfect point, and it is a 68 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: national issue because just if you think about municipal budgets, 69 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: and we started off talking about the importance of local elections, 70 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: you'll have your municipal budget and there'll be a certain 71 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: amount earmarked for your police department, and then most of 72 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: them have their general fund, and your general fund will 73 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 3: be where any surplus, any additional money that you didn't 74 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 3: budget for, has to be used to pay and it 75 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 3: could be lawsuits, could be police misconduct. If you now 76 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,559 Speaker 3: take all of the money that is previously budgeted tax 77 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: money that is either put in a line item for settlements, 78 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 3: because they have line items for settlements, and then if 79 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: you're not drawing on your general fund to pay for 80 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: the conduct of bad police officers, that's additional money that 81 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 3: could go to senior programs. That's additional money that could 82 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 3: go to housing. That's additional money that could be used 83 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: for parks, youth programming, mental health initiatives. There are all 84 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: of these things that could be redirected. And to your point, 85 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: there is a big pot of money right now. Most 86 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: of the municipalities, up to a certain point are self insured. 87 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: New York City is self insured. So, using New York 88 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: City as an example, the millions of dollars that they 89 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: are now paying out for police misconduct, and let's add 90 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 3: to the equation that that doesn't change the system. None 91 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: of these payouts have changed the way that the police 92 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 3: operated in the United States. The George Floyd settlement twenty 93 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: seven million dollars still didn't change the way that municipalities 94 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: are policing. So the fact that when you have this 95 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: money that is being spent, sixty to sixty three percent 96 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: of most local budgets goes to the school districts, which 97 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 3: people don't even realize. In most instances, sixty three percent 98 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: of your taxes, your local taxes, are going to a 99 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: school district. Most people couldn't tell you how many people 100 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 3: are on the school board, who the individuals are. And 101 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 3: I don't know in any other arrangement where we would 102 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: allow sixty percent of our money to be spent by 103 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 3: someone who we can identify and not know what they're 104 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: spending it on. So why would we do that in 105 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: the context of our tax dollars. So to go back 106 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 3: to the policing, if you had a overall if it's 107 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: Geico Nationwide and their regional insurance companies, where they had 108 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: an entire database of officers, and we're selling these policies one, 109 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 3: you would have them interested because it's a new product. 110 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: It's a new insurance product for them to sell to 111 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: the individual officers. If you now were reallocating all of 112 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 3: that money won that was previously spent for paying out 113 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: for bad police conduct to all of the other aforementioned 114 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 3: programs across the country, think of what that impact looks 115 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 3: like if you now have all of these officers not 116 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: persuaded by Black Lives Matter, not persuaded by what the 117 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: National Action Network or any other cause is doing, but 118 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 3: solely their self interest. Thinking about Adam Smith and his principle, 119 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 3: the economic principle that people being self interested generally benefits 120 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 3: the whole. If you have police officers across the country 121 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: that are singularly focused on I don't want my premiums 122 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: to rise or I don't want my premium to be 123 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: canceled with I would no longer be able to be 124 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: a police officer and lose my pension. Think of the 125 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: significant reduction in the cases of police brutality that we 126 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: would have across the country. Think about the billions of 127 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: dollars that would be saved by municipal government that could 128 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: be reallocated to other resources that they didn't have to 129 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: pay on the backs of the tax payers. 130 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: You mentioned a lot of that is looking inside and 131 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: having transparency when it comes to policing and the financing. 132 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: But we know when you brought up the PBA. Anytime 133 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: there's an incident, they come and they stand together. It's 134 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: a band of brothers. It's a cold of blue that 135 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: they live by. How can we improve relationships, I guess one, 136 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: between the community and policing, and how do we improve 137 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: transparency when it comes to police in general. 138 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: Local elections and having mayors, town supervisors and legislators that 139 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: are one going to hold the police accountable, two that 140 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: are going to make the amount that they are spending 141 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: on the police readily available to the police. Even in 142 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 3: the district attorney's office, the way that it's currently constructed. 143 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: Now it's like a black box. If you wanted to 144 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: know who's being prosecuted, what they're being charged with, their 145 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: demographic information, that information is not readily available. But your 146 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: tax dollars are going to pay the salaries of the 147 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: people employed in that office. Shouldn't be You should be 148 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: able to jump on wherever you live, jump onto the 149 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 3: website of your local district attorney's office or your local 150 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 3: police department and find out exactly what the work is 151 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: that they're doing in your name, if they're supposed to 152 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: be serving the people. I think that the recruitment efforts, 153 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: recruiting individuals who come from the communities where they are 154 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: actually going to police is extremely important because if you 155 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: can see in an individual that you may have a 156 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 3: street encounter with someone that looks like your cousin, looks 157 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: like your brother, your nephew, it changes the lens generally 158 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 3: in which you interact with that person. I think about 159 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 3: the Kyle Rittenhouse, the dude that was in I believe 160 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 3: he was in Illinois that shot the Black Lives Matter protesters, 161 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 3: and I was always struck by the way that the 162 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: judge was interacting with him throughout that trial, and it 163 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 3: was clear to me that he saw his grandson in there, 164 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: and he was treating him in a way that if 165 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 3: it was a black or brown person, I doubt that 166 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 3: he would have had the compassion and treated him the 167 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: way that he was treating him. So we need to 168 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: make sure that our police force reflects the communities that 169 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 3: they're going to serve. If you have people that are 170 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: coming in from outside of your community an hour away, 171 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: it's not per for them. They're not looking to try 172 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: to develop this bond with you. They're offer an occupying force. 173 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: I think another piece to it, and I've said this 174 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: to the leadership in the Mount Vernon Police Department, is 175 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 3: that if they truly want to heal the relationship between 176 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: communities of color and the police, they need to approach 177 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 3: it the way that somebody who starts dating someone who's 178 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 3: been the victim of domestic violence or someone who's been 179 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: subject to infidelity. At the beginning phase of that relationship, 180 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: there's going to be a lot that you have to 181 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: overcome with your partner is not going to trust you, 182 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 3: and you're going to bear the brunt of the trauma 183 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: that someone that is not you has put upon that person. 184 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: And if you genuinely care, you work through it. You 185 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 3: don't take it personally. You recognize that this person is 186 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 3: going through a healing process. The police need to do 187 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 3: the same thing if they are serious and sincere about 188 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 3: developing a stronger relationship with community of color. Yes, there 189 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 3: are gonna be times where people are gonna be loud, 190 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 3: they're going to be boisterous, they're going to curse, and 191 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 3: they are not going to say good afternoon, mister or missus, officer, 192 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 3: happy to see you, because there's trauma. If you understand 193 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: the history of policing in this country and what it 194 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: has been for black and brown communities, that has often 195 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: been a very contentious relationship. So again backing up to 196 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: where we started with the discussion, if you have police professionals, 197 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 3: it is a licensed profession people who are educated, and 198 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 3: I'm not against paying them more because offsetting the savings 199 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 3: from all of the police brutality that I believe would 200 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 3: be addressed. If you have people who are more qualified, 201 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: people who are better educated, people who are licensed and 202 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: have their own insurance policy in place, then you can 203 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: afford to pay the police officers more because now they 204 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: are being treated like professionals and not just the job 205 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: that you're in for twenty years. And I think that 206 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: when you put better quality the individuals in police forces, 207 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 3: that's going to have a direct impact on the quality 208 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 3: of policing. 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