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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, season fourteen, episode number fourteen. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: newest edition of The Break Life from Oxnard, California. I'm
Speaker 1: here with Nick Eatman and Amber Garcia and Dave Hellman,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk some Cowboys football here with you
Speaker 1: guys for the next hour and a lot to talk
Speaker 1: about Cowboys. Get out there and start practicing. Yesterday, not
Speaker 1: in pads yet, just a little bit of a shorts
Speaker 1: and T shirt. They'll do that again today and then
Speaker 1: tomorrow they'll crank it up a notch. They'll put on
Speaker 1: the pads and that's when camp really gets rolling. How's
Speaker 1: everybody doing this? More good? I think we're doing well.
Speaker 1: I thought I was hosting today, Derek, you were, and
Speaker 1: then you didn't show up until five minutes before we
Speaker 1: were going on side. Wow, twenty it was twenty. I'm sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you'll be hosting. No, that'd be Monday and maybe
Speaker 1: maybe Monday Tuesday. How about that? Well, I feel like
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a perpetual kind of like, well
Speaker 1: maybe tomorrow you know. No, she's gonna be she's gonna
Speaker 1: be hot. This is gonna happen. This is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Maybe the first time you bail on us for some meeting.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's gonna happen. For sure, it happened.
Speaker 1: That's gonna happen maybe next week every time. So there
Speaker 1: we go. All right. So, um, what I wanted to
Speaker 1: do today, there are a lot of different things I
Speaker 1: want to get into. Um. The first thing I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do and uh is I want to take some time
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do this at every show during training camp.
Speaker 1: I want to take some time to allow each of
Speaker 1: you guys to give me one observation, uh, something you
Speaker 1: saw yesterday. It could be a player, it could be
Speaker 1: a position group, it could be a particular play, just
Speaker 1: something that you noticed yesterday that stood out to you.
Speaker 1: The whole idea is we want to give these fans
Speaker 1: an opportunity to feel like they're out here at camp
Speaker 1: and get as many different thoughts on what's happening out here.
Speaker 1: I'm as possible. So let's start with you. Nick, give
Speaker 1: one observation from yesterday while they serve turkey legs. I
Speaker 1: mean that that that's that you have to start. How
Speaker 1: can you not start with turkey? I mean they're yelling
Speaker 1: out water, gatorade, turkey legs. You come to training camp,
Speaker 1: you can get a turkey leg. I don't know what
Speaker 1: else you can they have to eat, but definitely, all
Speaker 1: these all my years in America, I never tried a
Speaker 1: turkey leg. Ever. You're missing. You know what you need
Speaker 1: to do. You need to go. You need to go
Speaker 1: to to the Texas Ribs, Like who cares? Okay, you
Speaker 1: have to go to State Fair of Texas and get
Speaker 1: your turkey leg there. That's the best turkey leg in
Speaker 1: the state. All right. Honestly, let's switch. Let me switch
Speaker 1: animals here. Honestly, mine is really not a t it's
Speaker 1: a goat. Jeff Heath. Jeff Heath is going to be
Speaker 1: really good this year. I don't know who's gonna play
Speaker 1: next to him. Maybe Zavier would, maybe someone else Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath though a couple of things, and I was watching
Speaker 1: the defensive backs. I don't know if you guys saw this,
Speaker 1: but I kept hearing this somebody yelling and I didn't
Speaker 1: know exactly who it is, and it was Jeff and
Speaker 1: which is shocking because like, you never really heard him
Speaker 1: talk at all, and he doesn't really get to a
Speaker 1: high level. But but you could just see, and maybe
Speaker 1: it was just ten minutes or so, you could really
Speaker 1: see a command in that and that defensive backfield and
Speaker 1: we're talking about who's going to be the leader back there,
Speaker 1: vocal leader. I don't know if it was just a coincidence,
Speaker 1: but I definitely saw some of that, and you could
Speaker 1: see the way he's moving. He's kind of smooth, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you, Jeff Heath. Not a lot of fans loved
Speaker 1: him before. I think they're really gonna gonna change their
Speaker 1: tune if they haven't already. Amber me. Something that I
Speaker 1: liked from yesterday was Jalen Smith and seeing his progress
Speaker 1: since last year. One of the things that I was
Speaker 1: concerned about last year were his instincts, you know, the
Speaker 1: way he takes off and it was kind of just
Speaker 1: too rushed like not really knowing where he's going. He
Speaker 1: just takes off. Now this year, why him, he takes
Speaker 1: a little more time to think about it before taking off,
Speaker 1: and you can see how he's becoming more confident in
Speaker 1: his movements. Instead of just taking off and figuring it out,
Speaker 1: he just now, okay, let me take a second. Follow
Speaker 1: this guy and then take off. How do you think
Speaker 1: he's running? Because that's always like last year you could
Speaker 1: see there was a person wasn't It wasn't yet the
Speaker 1: fluid motion that first move okay in his movement and
Speaker 1: also the whole lateral movement. I think he has been.
Speaker 1: It just keeps improving. Yeah, Dave, My number one impression
Speaker 1: after a practice that wasn't really a practice is a
Speaker 1: guy that didn't practice, which works. Randy Gregory, My guy
Speaker 1: looks slim and trim. My guy looks ready to go.
Speaker 1: I took a picture of him on my Twitter account,
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't look like a guy that's been away
Speaker 1: from football for eighteen months. Like it's very obvious just
Speaker 1: looking at him. Jason Garrett said on Wednesday that he
Speaker 1: weighs two forty two. He looks like it. He looks
Speaker 1: like and you know, he's stiver, looked chunky. No, but
Speaker 1: I think like there's a difference between I mean, like
Speaker 1: if he hadn't been getting ready, I think it would
Speaker 1: show and like you can, but then he looks good.
Speaker 1: He looks like he's ready to play football. Obviously there's
Speaker 1: a big difference between conditioning and playing football. But when
Speaker 1: they finally let him out there, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna take him that long to accleman. It looks like
Speaker 1: he's been working really hard. It's like when David Irving
Speaker 1: came back during the whole mini camp. Now he was
Speaker 1: working up to the side to notice the eye is
Speaker 1: not in condition, absolutely right. But and my thing on
Speaker 1: Gregory is, and I think this has been kind of
Speaker 1: a knock on him, is that he had a hard
Speaker 1: time gaining weight. You know, they actually wanted him to
Speaker 1: put on a few more pounds, to be not so lean,
Speaker 1: to actually you know, to not just be a guy
Speaker 1: that says, well he has to rush the pastor because
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be able to stop the run, so
Speaker 1: you know, to be an every down player. I think
Speaker 1: he needed to put on more weight. So we'll see
Speaker 1: what you know, But freaks are freaks. I mean they
Speaker 1: can play. So yeah, well he came out yesterday m
Speaker 1: speaking slim and trim. Actually, my observation is another guy
Speaker 1: that looks pretty slim and trim to me anyway, Zeke Elliott.
Speaker 1: He looks like he yeah he does. I mean Dave
Speaker 1: and I Dave was walking with me and we saw
Speaker 1: him walking and he's just kind of walking with a
Speaker 1: shirt off, just kind of chilling. And it was like that,
Speaker 1: that ain't the same Zeke that. That was more like
Speaker 1: the Zeke that came out of college that wore the middrifts.
Speaker 1: It was more of that than it was the Zeke
Speaker 1: that last year. People were like, man, he looks like
Speaker 1: does he seem like the type of person, the type
Speaker 1: of body that just kind of his weight fluxus maybe
Speaker 1: you know, like maybe so. And to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I wasn't one of those people that really got caught
Speaker 1: up on last year and people said he looked a
Speaker 1: little bit out of shape. I'm workingcerned about how he
Speaker 1: looks when he's running. And when he was out here
Speaker 1: running yesterday and he was doing drills, he looked pretty nifty,
Speaker 1: looked pretty light on his feet. So I thought, all
Speaker 1: in all, I think he's looking really good here coming
Speaker 1: into camp. Go find the Twitter fingers out there will
Speaker 1: tell you that he still looks kind of chunky, and
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. He's bigger than he was
Speaker 1: when he was a rookie. He doesn't he doesn't look
Speaker 1: out of shape. No, no, no no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm agreeing with you. He like, yeah, he looks bigger
Speaker 1: than he did when he was a rookie because he
Speaker 1: has yoked himself up. Yes, honestly, Zeke, to me, looks
Speaker 1: like a guy who knows he's gonna be facing nine
Speaker 1: man fronts at least. But yeah, he looks like he's
Speaker 1: ready to touch the ball five hundred times because need
Speaker 1: be a lot of times. The perception of that, it
Speaker 1: can just it's just your face. You know. He's got
Speaker 1: a big hay, he's got a beard that's kind of
Speaker 1: you know, and you look at that and you could say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's a little bit bigger, But I
Speaker 1: mean that's never stopped anyone from from getting you know,
Speaker 1: you don't get tackled from behind because you got a
Speaker 1: big face. I don't think No, he's built like an
Speaker 1: NFL running back. Now, I think he's he looks like
Speaker 1: to me, he looks like he's in great shape for
Speaker 1: built like a linebacker. Like I mean, yeah, and I
Speaker 1: mean it in a good way. I don't like he
Speaker 1: looks like he's ready. He knows, he knows what's coming.
Speaker 1: Is what it looks like. All right, let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit, Dave. You mentioned Randy Gregory. I want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about where he is right now.
Speaker 1: Yesterday he's he's Marinell. He's over that. Oh, this is
Speaker 1: me being nick right now. Sorry, he's like he's over
Speaker 1: there in the hotel. He's probably having meetings or something,
Speaker 1: getting ready for walkthrough. Sorry, no, no, he just fell flat.
Speaker 1: Yeah I probably would do that. What was it? Where
Speaker 1: are those animal crickets? Oh cricket? Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1: I did not get it, all right. Um, But talking
Speaker 1: about Randy Gregory Rod Marinelli yesterday, he says that there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people around here everyone mites the
Speaker 1: dust sometimes that are rooting for Randy. Um. As we
Speaker 1: all know, obviously, there were teammates that spoke up on
Speaker 1: his behalf to the league in order to get him back. Um.
Speaker 1: And it seems like everybody's very happy to have him
Speaker 1: back out here and everybody's really rooting for him, genuinely
Speaker 1: rooting for him, genuinely rooting for him to be successful
Speaker 1: this year. Talk to me about where he is right now,
Speaker 1: what he's doing, and when we can expect to see
Speaker 1: him on the field. Shit, there was so much rooting
Speaker 1: for him that now I'm rooting for him, And now
Speaker 1: that's a whole flip for me. But just hearing everyone
Speaker 1: the way, like coach Mary Nelly speaking about him, Why
Speaker 1: are you shaking your head? I'm not go oh, keep
Speaker 1: going the way Mary Nelly was speaking about him, it
Speaker 1: just makes you think, Okay, obviously they know him better
Speaker 1: than we do. So the fact that he has Mary
Speaker 1: Nelly backing him up that much has to tell you something.
Speaker 1: I don't have the slightest idea when he's gonna be
Speaker 1: ready to go, honest. I mean, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, he's gonna be day by day. I think
Speaker 1: the fact that he's out here, you know, not just
Speaker 1: like running and doing the conditioning stuff, but you know,
Speaker 1: they had him going around the hula hoop, getting low
Speaker 1: bend in the corner, something that they like pass rushers
Speaker 1: to do. The fact he's already doing some of that.
Speaker 1: Like I said, like, he doesn't look like a guy
Speaker 1: who's gonna need a ton of time to acclimate. Is
Speaker 1: he doing any position drills at this point, because obviously
Speaker 1: working in the team, that's gonna be a while. But
Speaker 1: he's only working with the trainers he's with, you know,
Speaker 1: during practice yesterday he was with the pass rushers. He
Speaker 1: was kind of helping out, like holding the oven myths
Speaker 1: for them to slap and stuff like that. Nothing nothing real,
Speaker 1: which you know, like that that's gonna be on their schedule.
Speaker 1: It could be a week. I would be I would
Speaker 1: be surprised if it takes him too long, you know,
Speaker 1: because he looks like he's done his part in terms
Speaker 1: of getting in shape. And so I get it. You
Speaker 1: want to be you want to be deliberate, to quote
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, not careful, which really just means careful. But
Speaker 1: um so, I'm sure they're gonna be careful with him.
Speaker 1: But like I said, he doesn't look like he's gonna
Speaker 1: need a ton of time, So we'll see what they
Speaker 1: decide to do. Are your expectations that you'll get much
Speaker 1: out of Randy Gregory this year or is this a
Speaker 1: long term. Look at this thing. I don't like I
Speaker 1: said this on you know, like the day we got
Speaker 1: here is like how somebody was like, what are your
Speaker 1: realistic expectations for Randy Gregory? Like, if we're talking realistic,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you put it beyond like just
Speaker 1: making the team and getting onto the field, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he is definitely a freak, But how
Speaker 1: are you gonna how are you gonna put ten sack
Speaker 1: expectation on a guy who hasn't played in two years?
Speaker 1: I call that realistic, you know, Like I think a
Speaker 1: realistic expectation is that he's on the fifty three and
Speaker 1: gets a jersey on game day. I mean we'll go
Speaker 1: from there. He's got to be he can't just be
Speaker 1: a one trick pony. He can't. And because there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of third and fifteen situations, third and nine,
Speaker 1: because you get into third and seven. He put him
Speaker 1: on the field, and if he's a guy that just
Speaker 1: wants to get sacks and get numbers that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: run right at him. I'm gonna run the ball right
Speaker 1: at him and see what happens, or let him come
Speaker 1: up the field and then just run right past him
Speaker 1: as great as Dwight Freeney and those and Mathis were
Speaker 1: for the Colts for so many years. You could run
Speaker 1: the ball on him because that's all they wanted to
Speaker 1: do is get sacks, you know. So he can't just
Speaker 1: be a guy that goes out there and looking for numbers.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to be a guy that that can
Speaker 1: play and you know, and stop the run and do
Speaker 1: all those kinds of things. So it'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: see just how he develops here at camp. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: take questions when you guys call us, and I want
Speaker 1: to get into Actually we're gonna before we get or
Speaker 1: we're going to head into a break. I'll set up
Speaker 1: the next segment before we do, though, I want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit big picture. We're heading into the
Speaker 1: second day of practices. It's the day before they're gonna
Speaker 1: start with pads starting next week. We're gonna dive a
Speaker 1: little more into position groups. But looking big picture at
Speaker 1: this team. I want to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: what we think are the biggest strengths of this team,
Speaker 1: which I think I'm not positive, but I think most
Speaker 1: of us will agree in what we think is the
Speaker 1: biggest strength. However, then I want to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about what are the challenges. What are the things
Speaker 1: that this team right now faces, things that this team
Speaker 1: has challenges because you look across the NFL. I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this this morning. You look across the NFL,
Speaker 1: and really, even in just the NFC, there are a
Speaker 1: ton of really really good teams. There are tons we think, yeah,
Speaker 1: we think there and I should put it like this,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of team on paper, have a
Speaker 1: ton of talent. You look at a team like Atlanta,
Speaker 1: it looks stacked right. And you look at teams like
Speaker 1: Green Bay that always are going to be good because
Speaker 1: they got Aaron Rodgers. And you look at the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles, and you look at the New
Speaker 1: York Giants. There are a ton of teams in NFC
Speaker 1: that look really really good on paper. So the Cowboys
Speaker 1: gonna have to do some things right. So let's take
Speaker 1: a break. When we come back, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about what we think are their biggest their greatest assets,
Speaker 1: and what the greatest challenges. All will be right back.
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Speaker 1: throughout the show nine seven two core nine seven forty
Speaker 1: four hundred. Again it is nine seven two four nine
Speaker 1: seven forty four hundred where we'll take your calls. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about the Cowboys greatest assets
Speaker 1: and their greatest weaknesses. But before we do, we do
Speaker 1: have one phone call. Will jump on. This is Nick
Speaker 1: and Indiana. Nick, what up? Say? Nicker Corlay and Home
Speaker 1: with Jalen Smith and Anthony Spencer. Hey, what's up? What's
Speaker 1: got good? I guess my question is about the opening
Speaker 1: kickoff and Garrett's philosophy with his offensive find it. We
Speaker 1: want the ball, we want to score. Last year, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys got the ball fourteen times to start the game,
Speaker 1: and they scored one offensive touchdown in fourteen tries. You
Speaker 1: flip that and look at the opponent that got the
Speaker 1: second half kickoff against us. They scored a touchdown six
Speaker 1: times coming out of halftime. And my guess my argument
Speaker 1: against it is just as a player when I played,
Speaker 1: I was amped up to start the game. The crowd
Speaker 1: was amped up, the defense was amped up, everybody was
Speaker 1: amped up. Coming out of halftime, the crowd still at
Speaker 1: the concession stands. You know, you're not as amped up,
Speaker 1: and you're kind of in the game slow, you know
Speaker 1: what's going on. I just think as an offensive mind
Speaker 1: to coach, I understand that he wants the ball, we
Speaker 1: want to score. But when you get fourteen tries that
Speaker 1: you only score one touchdown, do you think you need
Speaker 1: to inspect an adapt against Jared offensive philosophy. And I'd
Speaker 1: just like to get your guys's opinion on that. If
Speaker 1: I'm crazy, then I'm crazy. But you're definitely not that
Speaker 1: because kind of how I feel about it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're kind of preaching to the choir on this.
Speaker 1: Remember I'll let you guys talk about it. When you
Speaker 1: talked about this every Monday, every Monday, which you're right,
Speaker 1: and I'll you know. In twenty sixteen they did the
Speaker 1: same thing and it worked and it was great and
Speaker 1: I love being aggressive. It was awesome. Like read the
Speaker 1: room though, which I think that's that no serious, like
Speaker 1: that's true. That's the balance, though, was like, well, you
Speaker 1: want to show your offense you believe in them, and
Speaker 1: you be aggressive, but they never do it. So probably
Speaker 1: around mid season, maybe you should switch it up, because
Speaker 1: there were at least at least like four games where
Speaker 1: that noticeably bit them in the butt, like noticeably in
Speaker 1: the third quarter. Like it doesn't matter if you're up
Speaker 1: by ten, if you're up by three, if it's tied,
Speaker 1: if you're down by fourteen. In every scenario, you feel
Speaker 1: more comfortable that you've got the football. You can either
Speaker 1: pad this lead, you can take control, or you can
Speaker 1: get back in the game quickly because you've got the ball.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand it all everything that Color said
Speaker 1: it was right about the crowd and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, halftimes twelve minutes long, no one's back in
Speaker 1: their seat, and you take the ball and you go
Speaker 1: down to the score. It happens every time. I think
Speaker 1: it's just stubborn and idiotic, honestly, to keep doing it
Speaker 1: the way they did it, will I will say no sense,
Speaker 1: like I said in twenty sixteen, when there is a
Speaker 1: boatload of data to prove that this works, you can
Speaker 1: talk me into it. But yeah, read the room like
Speaker 1: it wasn't working, and it baffled and frustrated me that
Speaker 1: they just kept just hammering that wall for no reason
Speaker 1: and it was dumb. The thing for me is, you
Speaker 1: have a young quarterback. If you have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: let that young quarterback see what the other team is
Speaker 1: doing throughout the first half and then come out of
Speaker 1: the out of the break being able to say, here's
Speaker 1: what we're seeing. What are you seeing? Okay, here's how
Speaker 1: we're going to adjust to that. So when we come
Speaker 1: out with this first possession coming out a halftime, let's
Speaker 1: make sure we can get score. You give your your
Speaker 1: young quarterback a better opportunity. In my opinion, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna say either you do at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: game or the beginning of the second of the second half,
Speaker 1: you give him a better chance to be successful because
Speaker 1: you at least know what they're trying to do. And
Speaker 1: I'm curious is if if Garrett was a college coach
Speaker 1: and you'll let you guys be college coaches and the
Speaker 1: game is tied, we're going to overtime. Now, okay, what
Speaker 1: would What do you want to do in overtime with
Speaker 1: those rules? In overtime and college, what do you like?
Speaker 1: You like to be on offense first or second defense first? Why?
Speaker 1: Because I want to see what I have to match right,
Speaker 1: and that's what everyone else does too, Like it's the
Speaker 1: same type of thing. I want to see what I
Speaker 1: need to do. I mean, like, what if you're down,
Speaker 1: What if you're down twenty one points at halftime here?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're going to probably get the
Speaker 1: ball and try to do something a little bit different
Speaker 1: with it. So it just makes it makes no sense now, honestly,
Speaker 1: truth be told, I like to be on offense first.
Speaker 1: But I think I'm one of one percent that like
Speaker 1: in overtime for college That is crazy to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy too, not really, because I'm going four downs anyways,
Speaker 1: because you gotta score touchdown. You gotta go score touchdown.
Speaker 1: So I know what I need to do. I need
Speaker 1: to score touchdown, not if you have a good defense.
Speaker 1: I mean if you had it, you had a great defense,
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be an overtime. That's simplicit. I just that's
Speaker 1: probably the most we've ever agreed with the caller. Way
Speaker 1: to go. That was a great call. Great call. All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's jump into our big topic for the day.
Speaker 1: As I said before we went to the break, um,
Speaker 1: I wanted to take a big picture look at this thing,
Speaker 1: and I really want to talk about it from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of what the greatest asset of the team is
Speaker 1: and then also what we think is the biggest concern.
Speaker 1: I will take a stab at the fact that I
Speaker 1: think the greatest asset of this team is the running game.
Speaker 1: Everybody agree a stab? Yes, yeah, all right, everybody agrees. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question. There's nothing that this
Speaker 1: team does better than run the ball. So I think
Speaker 1: that's pretty clear. So let's go down to the line. Though.
Speaker 1: I want to start first with Dave. Tell me what
Speaker 1: you think is the greatest challenge as we sit today
Speaker 1: for this team heading into the twenty eighteen season. Oh man,
Speaker 1: the greatest challenge facing this team is a acceptable number
Speaker 1: of unprovens proving themselves like bait. I mean This whole
Speaker 1: season is predicated on hoping that something we haven't seen
Speaker 1: is going to work out, right. I mean, like we've
Speaker 1: we've covered the receivers, we know all about that. The
Speaker 1: tight ends go in there too, and then you know
Speaker 1: your your holes. On defense, we talked about d tackle
Speaker 1: and safety yesterday on the show, and and honestly, I mean,
Speaker 1: they looked good. They look good down the stretch. That's
Speaker 1: totally fair. But you cannot sit here right now and
Speaker 1: tell me that your your corners are these proven commodities.
Speaker 1: Either it's you're optimistic. It's fair to say you feel
Speaker 1: good about it, but you're not being truthful if you're
Speaker 1: saying like Cheeto, Jordan and Byron or lockdown corners. You
Speaker 1: don't know that. So wait, like the majority of those
Speaker 1: guys have to prove themselves for this season to be successful.
Speaker 1: Your receivers have to prove that they can do it.
Speaker 1: You're defending, you know, and we don't know that right now.
Speaker 1: So that's what I would say. Not to copy, but
Speaker 1: that's exactly my answer as well. Just the unknown, so
Speaker 1: many guys that we don't know what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: and the coaching staff, you know, the new changes that
Speaker 1: happen within the coaching We don't know, but that could
Speaker 1: be something that works to their advantage. It's like one
Speaker 1: of I don't know the right word for that, where
Speaker 1: it's something that it could go either way where they
Speaker 1: could really struggle or it could work to their advantage
Speaker 1: to where now other teams don't even know what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are doing anymore. Last year, other teams had the
Speaker 1: Cowboys pretty figured out. Now they don't. So maybe it's
Speaker 1: something that they can take advantage of it. We'll see.
Speaker 1: But I would say that's the biggest challenge, just the
Speaker 1: whole unknown with all these young guys coming in. What
Speaker 1: is this specific question again, greatest challenge for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: entering the twenty eighteen season. You know, I think it's
Speaker 1: it's Dak being a great player. I think he's been
Speaker 1: a good player. He was a great surprise as a rookie,
Speaker 1: and he was a he really really had a phenomenal
Speaker 1: rookie season. Obviously there was a little bit of a
Speaker 1: setback or a lot of a setback, but they're asking
Speaker 1: him to be great. They're asking him this year to
Speaker 1: be a great player, and they're taking some of the
Speaker 1: weapons away they're trying to, you know, Taylor, just to
Speaker 1: him and for him, he's gonna have to take that step.
Speaker 1: They're putting the eggs in his basket to be a
Speaker 1: great player, and I think he can be. But if
Speaker 1: he's not, then I don't know if this team's gonna
Speaker 1: be that good. I mean, I really know he's got
Speaker 1: to be great. I think I think that what happens
Speaker 1: then if he's not great? Yeah, I mean the team
Speaker 1: as of right now has done everything they can to
Speaker 1: cater to him. Now is this a year after this year,
Speaker 1: Let's say he doesn't do great? What happens different different
Speaker 1: answers here? If they're shockingly let's go on a limb
Speaker 1: and say they're like eight and eight, nine and seven.
Speaker 1: Let's just say they've finished there and he's not that great,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be It's not an easy choice there. If
Speaker 1: if if he's not great and the team's not good,
Speaker 1: and they're sitting at five and eleven and they're picking
Speaker 1: seventh overall, then I think you know, you can probably say,
Speaker 1: all right, they're gonna you know, they're gonna have a
Speaker 1: new coach, I'm sure, and they'll have a new quarterback
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But if he's if they're in
Speaker 1: the middle of the pack, and it's kind of an
Speaker 1: if he on whether he's really good or not, and
Speaker 1: we're going to be good with a different system. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I I for the most part, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think you know. I don't know. I don't want
Speaker 1: to speak for y'all. But like right now, if you
Speaker 1: had to guess, you'd say the Cowboys probably aren't gonna
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl this year. Is that fair? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You don't think so? Yeah? I mean okay, I mean
Speaker 1: odds are odds are not with them as anything's possible,
Speaker 1: but odds are not. Let me let me let me
Speaker 1: further that point. If the Cowboys are gonna win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, Dak Prescott needs to be great. If the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are just gonna be a pretty good team that's
Speaker 1: in the playoff hunt. I don't necessarily think that's true,
Speaker 1: because again I hate that phrase, Dak friendly. But the
Speaker 1: team is designed to help him out as much as possible.
Speaker 1: You got your running game, you got your offensive line,
Speaker 1: and I think Dak has established a pretty firm baseline
Speaker 1: of what to expect. I mean, all things being equal,
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be in the low three thousand yards
Speaker 1: a little bit over sixty percent. He's gonna limit the mistakes.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we've seen from him in sixteen
Speaker 1: games in twenty sixteen and then you know, ten games
Speaker 1: before the whole team fell apart in twenty seventeen. He's
Speaker 1: capable of consistently playing at a pretty good level, and
Speaker 1: the team wins more often than they don't when he
Speaker 1: plays that way. To Nick's point, if they're gonna like
Speaker 1: cross that border from being a competitor in the NFC
Speaker 1: to being you know, a good slash dominant team, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to pick that level of playoff. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm really tired of hearing people say. And I was
Speaker 1: on a show with two days ago, three days ago
Speaker 1: with Mickey. Mickey says it all the time. You just
Speaker 1: gotta get Beasley back to twenty sixteen. You gotta get
Speaker 1: Dac back to twenty sixteen. It doesn't matter anymore because
Speaker 1: because in seventeen the coordinators figured it out. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I'll argue with anyone all day long, you know, is
Speaker 1: he gonna have that sophomore slump. That's what people kept
Speaker 1: asking about Dak. Call it a slump or whatever, But
Speaker 1: they figured that out. It was a chess match and
Speaker 1: they won. They won last year. I don't care about
Speaker 1: Zeke being out six games because what about the other
Speaker 1: ten for Beasley? What about the other ten for Dak?
Speaker 1: Like they they figured him out, and they figured Dez out,
Speaker 1: and they said, Dak to Dez, will take our chances.
Speaker 1: And it was a fifty fifty ball every time it
Speaker 1: left his arm. But go ahead another, well wouldn't. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: And again I get it. It's excuse making to a degree,
Speaker 1: but in the games where they had Zeke, Dak played
Speaker 1: just as well as the point he was on a
Speaker 1: pro Bowl pace. But literally before his team fell apart,
Speaker 1: Tyrone was out or injured, Zeke got hurt or excuse me,
Speaker 1: he got suspended. But go back. I mean, I remember
Speaker 1: arguing with people online, like up until early November, up
Speaker 1: until you know, right around the Chiefs game, Dak's stats
Speaker 1: compared very favorably to Carson Wentz's. They really did. You
Speaker 1: can go look at it outside the Denver game. That team,
Speaker 1: that offense played pretty well. Yeah, it played pretty well
Speaker 1: so that's but again, but for the sake of the argument.
Speaker 1: One of the things that a lot of people tweet
Speaker 1: about in regards to die It's like, Okay, any other
Speaker 1: quarterback could have been just as good behind that kind
Speaker 1: of offense, oh line, you know, absolutely, so I mean wrong,
Speaker 1: what wrong? Because those people did not watch twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: because in twenty fifteen, Kevin Matt Castle and it's the same.
Speaker 1: It's the same argument about the Barry Sanders Emmett Smith stuff.
Speaker 1: I always hate that one. Anyone could have run behind
Speaker 1: that line. Not true because they didn't. They lost without
Speaker 1: Emmet and they lost in twenty fifteen without Romo and
Speaker 1: you know, and credit Dak And I liked this isn't
Speaker 1: I mean not liking him. I just think he's got
Speaker 1: to take it to another level. I think last year
Speaker 1: was a chess match. I think the defensive coordinators kind
Speaker 1: of figured it out, and I think there was other
Speaker 1: issues going on. I think Dak felt pressure that had
Speaker 1: to fill with the desk to desk that's gone now.
Speaker 1: I think it's a little shell shock too. After that
Speaker 1: Atlanta game. I don't think he looked the same after
Speaker 1: that Atlantic game. For much of the rest of that season.
Speaker 1: But again who who would? But also when you think
Speaker 1: about how that the rest of the thing, my head's
Speaker 1: on a swivel about his He didn't have his running back,
Speaker 1: he didn't have his left tackle. You know, there were
Speaker 1: a lot of things that fell apart on this young
Speaker 1: quarterback that to me were more of what happened to
Speaker 1: him last year than saying that somebody figured him out.
Speaker 1: I think it was just a lot of other factors
Speaker 1: that played in Well, it's it's totally fair to criticize him.
Speaker 1: It's it's what we do. We gotta fill airspace if
Speaker 1: nothing else. I have next to no doubt in my
Speaker 1: mind that Dak Prescott's gonna look more like the guy
Speaker 1: from September to November then the guy that came after that.
Speaker 1: Like I spend very little time worrying about. I actually agree.
Speaker 1: I agree with that, I really do. I just think
Speaker 1: this year they've they've taken some of the familiar weapons away.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe it's not that. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's going to open them up a little bit. The thing,
Speaker 1: the thing, and the thing. To go back to my point,
Speaker 1: the thing that I that does concern me, y'all, tell
Speaker 1: me if you agree with this. I can easily see
Speaker 1: a future where like Michael Gallup is the next young
Speaker 1: star and people are buying up as jerseys, and Alan
Speaker 1: Hearns has nine touchdowns and people love him and everything's
Speaker 1: hunky dory. I can also very easily see a future
Speaker 1: where everybody sucks, and when the mock drafts start coming out,
Speaker 1: every single one of them is like, well, obviously it's
Speaker 1: got to be wide receiver. The Cowboys don't have anything
Speaker 1: in that depart Like, I can see both clearly. I
Speaker 1: think they're both possible. Yeah, So that's that's what I
Speaker 1: keep going back to. I'm not worried about the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I am curious if his targets are as good as
Speaker 1: they think they are. Right now, okay, I want to
Speaker 1: throw a couple other options that you eyes of, things
Speaker 1: that I think can be big challenges for this team.
Speaker 1: First thing I'll talk about is and these two things
Speaker 1: kind of go together, but I think that we've seen
Speaker 1: in the NFL teams have success when they are a
Speaker 1: run heavy, run first kind of teams. Typically, when that works, though,
Speaker 1: you have to have a really dominant defense that goes
Speaker 1: along with it. You look at the Seattle Seahawks of
Speaker 1: the last several years. You look at even in the
Speaker 1: Rams last year, I think they were a run heavy
Speaker 1: team that had kind of okay wide receivers, but mind large,
Speaker 1: it was the fact that they had a great defense
Speaker 1: combined with a really great run game. Cowboys have, as
Speaker 1: we talked about, their greatest asset is a run game.
Speaker 1: Question is that defense good enough to be able to
Speaker 1: get the stops, Because here's the problem. If they can't,
Speaker 1: then it's gonna put the Cowboys offensive situations where they
Speaker 1: have to score big and score quick. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if they have those kinds of weapons right now.
Speaker 1: They don't have that kind of or at least we
Speaker 1: haven't seen yet whether they have that kind of dominant
Speaker 1: receiving threat that's going to get open deep or be
Speaker 1: able to catch a ball short and be able to
Speaker 1: take at the distance. Do they have that kind of
Speaker 1: passing game. I think that's one of the biggest challenges
Speaker 1: this team WI have to face. What do you guys think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that kind of I mean, it goes back to
Speaker 1: my point from the beginning, which is there's a lot
Speaker 1: to feel good and optimistic about. There's not a lot
Speaker 1: in the way of proving playmakers. That's been a theme
Speaker 1: for this defense for forever. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 1: got Sean Lee, Hopefully he can play fourteen or more games. Uh,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence broke out last year, Hopefully he can maintain
Speaker 1: that with defenses focusing on him. And then you're just
Speaker 1: kind of hoping. You're you're hoping Jalen Smith takes the
Speaker 1: next step. There's reason to think he will. You're hoping
Speaker 1: Layton vander esh plays like a first round pick, be creative,
Speaker 1: Frandy Gregory could come back and play like the guy
Speaker 1: who has top fifteen talent. But right now you're lying
Speaker 1: to yourself if you're saying you know any of that's
Speaker 1: going to happen. Right it goes back to DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you couldn't You couldn't see that
Speaker 1: he really hadn't shown a lot we were not talking about.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, nobody, somebody's gonna do it. Somebody's somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna be that guy. You just hope DeMarcus does it again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hope you don't have somebody that just breaks out and says, oh,
Speaker 1: he's got seven interceptions. But then DeMarcus Lawrence has two sacks,
Speaker 1: and you know you're going up, up and down here.
Speaker 1: I mean, but it's it's across the league too. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no way that anybody that was picking last year's
Speaker 1: games thought, well, I bet you mark Ingram and Alvin Kamara,
Speaker 1: are you know are going to be this one to
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl punch and that will help Drew Brees and
Speaker 1: you know, and and and now they're gonna win eleven games.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't ever see it. You said it,
Speaker 1: we went to break. There's a look at all these
Speaker 1: teams in the NFC. You named like five teams or whatever.
Speaker 1: One of them is gonna pick in the top five
Speaker 1: next year, no doubt about it. That's how the NFL
Speaker 1: watching this team. You know it might be. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a fun year if it is. All right. So, guys,
Speaker 1: there were we put this out on our our fan
Speaker 1: giving draft show. Won't be. It won't be. We've put
Speaker 1: this question out on our fan Pulse on our mobile app,
Speaker 1: and uh, can you guys guess? There were four answers
Speaker 1: that we gave. We gave Dak being being great. We said,
Speaker 1: unproven players stepping up, the ability to score quick, and
Speaker 1: defense getting enough stops. Which do you think are saying
Speaker 1: right now is the biggest challenge for this team? Whatever
Speaker 1: it was listed first, I bet it's Dak whatever was
Speaker 1: listed first. Contrary, my friends, Dak is third. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: right now. And for you guys out there they don't
Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. Go to our mobile Apple
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Speaker 1: fan Feedback fan Pulse where the questions there and you
Speaker 1: can vote. But unproven players stepping up number one, Number two,
Speaker 1: defense getting enough stops at twenty eight percent, Number three
Speaker 1: Dak being great at nineteen percent, and only nine percent
Speaker 1: with ability to score quick? Was that the last one
Speaker 1: on the thing? No, they were all mixed up. The
Speaker 1: first one was second and the second one was fourth,
Speaker 1: so they were all okay, I mean, I expected people.
Speaker 1: You know, the quarterback gets the criticism and the credit
Speaker 1: all the time, but it's it's I mean, but he's
Speaker 1: got the jersey's at here. The fans love him. Fans,
Speaker 1: he's a fan favorite some a lot of the fans.
Speaker 1: The thing about having fifty hundred million fans is that
Speaker 1: a lot of people belove him, man hate him. That's
Speaker 1: just say I'm gonna say, Tony Romo is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show, kid um. But yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's it's crazy, you know. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can conceivably talk me into this being like a twelve
Speaker 1: win team, and you can conceivably talk me into them
Speaker 1: being a five win team. Like, we just don't know
Speaker 1: right now. Ye all right, let's take our final break.
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Speaker 1: So let's get it started. Well, Rico gathers make the roster.
Speaker 1: See no, no, that's I say. It's so, it's so,
Speaker 1: it's so tricky. I'm gonna tell you why he's gonna
Speaker 1: make it. Why he's gonna make it is because number one,
Speaker 1: there are no proven guys there, and he's gonna do
Speaker 1: just enough in preseason and in training camp that he's
Speaker 1: gonna intrigue them to where they're like, we just can't count.
Speaker 1: Have you been watching him within the group of tight
Speaker 1: ends a little bit? Not much? You should? You should
Speaker 1: keep watching him? No, no, no, no, The point exactly,
Speaker 1: that's exactly my mint is that he's gonna have. He's
Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of bad moments, but they're gonna
Speaker 1: be enough of those moments where it's like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: don't have anybody else at the tight end position that
Speaker 1: could do what he just did, but we gotta keep
Speaker 1: him around here. You had an older brother, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did too. You know I still still have him, right,
Speaker 1: that's true. That's true. I mean, I really what I
Speaker 1: meant is when you were growing up, Yeah, you're growing up,
Speaker 1: and you know, you're always he's always got that, you know.
Speaker 1: But then when they go off to college, now you
Speaker 1: maybe move into that room or whatever. He's gone. He's
Speaker 1: Monday Night football. He didn't like him. He didn't like Reco.
Speaker 1: Witten did not like Reco. He didn't like him. You'd
Speaker 1: be so loud he's back there. Okay, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: you probably she's saying he didn't. Yeah, I mean, like
Speaker 1: I think it was. It was pretty clear that that
Speaker 1: you know that there's a lot of people that I
Speaker 1: didn't like him. I mean, so I just think that
Speaker 1: he had some things going against him, and now it
Speaker 1: should just be about football, because I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was last year. I don't I don't think it was.
Speaker 1: He did some nice things and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he didn't play anymore, and we didn't have any
Speaker 1: other answer. We have no other answers. Here's my thing, though,
Speaker 1: and it's I would guess it's it's probably gonna look
Speaker 1: really pretty in the preseason when he can just run
Speaker 1: down the seam and Cooper Russell and it happened last year.
Speaker 1: It looked great. But the Cowboys use their tight ends
Speaker 1: to block so much. And like you saw it in OTAs,
Speaker 1: that is how the Cowboys use their tight ends when
Speaker 1: they had Jason Witten. We don't know how the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will use their tight end if anything, really don't. If anything,
Speaker 1: I don't. I just think they won't use tight ends
Speaker 1: in that case. Like honestly, like we've seen him running
Speaker 1: ten personnel out here. If that's the case, just take
Speaker 1: the tight end off the field. But like, I can't
Speaker 1: imagine they're just gonna all of a sudden play Jimmy
Speaker 1: gram Ball where they just don't expect they're tight end
Speaker 1: to do what they do bad. I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: they are, but I will say this, if they find
Speaker 1: that there's a role for Rico gathers that is predominantly
Speaker 1: going to be a red zone threat because he is
Speaker 1: a big body, he catches the ball well, he's he's
Speaker 1: able to get space with his body. If they look
Speaker 1: at him from that standpoint, they say he does that
Speaker 1: better than anybody else we have at the tight end position.
Speaker 1: There's an opportunity for us to use him there. That's
Speaker 1: my point they can from. I think they will find
Speaker 1: a role for him because there will be things he
Speaker 1: does out here that are different than anybody else's playing
Speaker 1: tight end can do. I had a point about earlier
Speaker 1: when we just kind of went across the table and said,
Speaker 1: you know, the running game is what they do best. True,
Speaker 1: but part of the running game has been the tight
Speaker 1: end position, and I wonder if they're going to have
Speaker 1: somebody that they count on on that regard. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if Swain is considered a great run
Speaker 1: block or I don't know if the Jarwin is either
Speaker 1: they use him. I think oli Wally is going to
Speaker 1: have a bigger role in the running game, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that that's a part of it. With Whitton,
Speaker 1: he could do the job. He could at least do
Speaker 1: the job and block pretty well on the edge there,
Speaker 1: So that's something they got to figure out too, which
Speaker 1: tied End can kind of help them there in the
Speaker 1: running game. All I know is all I know is
Speaker 1: that coaches like players that aren't liabilities, and specifically this
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Like there are coaching staffs where you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll give we'll make this guy like a fifteen play
Speaker 1: package when we get down in the red zone. But like,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that from these guys, Like that's that
Speaker 1: doesn't fit their mo Maybe it's different now because there's
Speaker 1: so many new faces on the coaching staff. I gotta
Speaker 1: see it to believe. Let me let me clarify a
Speaker 1: little bit too with Whitten. Witten didn't let Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: quitting in two eleven, right, he had come back and
Speaker 1: talked to the team. I mean Witten that there was
Speaker 1: a guy named Scott Sicko that you guys have probably
Speaker 1: never heard of. Remember um tied End that that was
Speaker 1: a rookie free agent that quit and then he came back,
Speaker 1: and then he quit and he came back didn't know
Speaker 1: if he wanted to play, And Whitten was like, you're
Speaker 1: out of here, man, if you don't know that you
Speaker 1: want to play football, I don't want your round. And
Speaker 1: so I think, you know, what has made Jason Witten
Speaker 1: such a great player for so long was just the
Speaker 1: work and the commitment and the drive and all that.
Speaker 1: And I think he looked at ed Rico and kind
Speaker 1: of just said that we're handing this guy an opportunity.
Speaker 1: He hadn't played in eight years. You know, that wasn't
Speaker 1: the way he came up. So I don't really know
Speaker 1: of their relationship, you know, behind closed doors, but I
Speaker 1: know this that he didn't look at it the same
Speaker 1: way and say, all right, this guy, this guy has
Speaker 1: made it, had the same journey as all these other guys,
Speaker 1: and so you know, he kind of thought it was
Speaker 1: sort of a publicity stunt really too, just like this
Speaker 1: guy's gonna come in. But when he started catching touchdown passes,
Speaker 1: I think everybody perked up a little bit. They should have.
Speaker 1: I just I don't I don't know that it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be make or break. I mean, Rico already said
Speaker 1: I can't imagine him spending time on the practice squad. Here.
Speaker 1: Was this supposed to be like a quick it was,
Speaker 1: but I thought of a good conversation. He is too
Speaker 1: slow right now. I mean you watch him within everyone else,
Speaker 1: He's just just slow his movement. And for example, Jason Witten.
Speaker 1: You started seeing Jason slow down right, and it works
Speaker 1: for him. He's witting. He has all those years of experience.
Speaker 1: Rico is not at that level. How do you go
Speaker 1: through a drill? Everyone's running up front, turning left, catching
Speaker 1: the ball. Rico was watching boom boom, boom boom. He
Speaker 1: goes to the opposite side. How does that happen? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is how it happens because football still isn't natural
Speaker 1: to him. It's not natural. He's thinking. He's thinking so much.
Speaker 1: He's like hips, you know, turn foot foot here, plant here,
Speaker 1: turn here, shoulders look hands up, like like it'll gets
Speaker 1: to the point where you don't even think about it.
Speaker 1: He just you do it. And he's thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking,
Speaker 1: and he kind of missed that last part is left
Speaker 1: instead of right. I mean, honestly, no, it's a fair point.
Speaker 1: I'm not giving him. I'm just saying I just think
Speaker 1: this is one of those deals where it's still not
Speaker 1: natural for him all. But how long did the Cowboys
Speaker 1: grab onto him? I think that's a that's you know better,
Speaker 1: it's it's coming to a head this step. It's got
Speaker 1: to be this. It's gonna he's either gonna be on
Speaker 1: the fifty three or another team. I'd be surprised if
Speaker 1: it's anything else. Yeah, that's change positions, move him, move him,
Speaker 1: ask us another one. Okay, will Jeff see or no?
Speaker 1: Will Jeff he lead the team in interceptions again this year? No? Nope, No,
Speaker 1: I think it'll be se Oh see, keep disrespecting my man.
Speaker 1: He's done it. I mean, he's done it three years
Speaker 1: in a row. Like I start off the show talking
Speaker 1: about how great he is. He's done it three years
Speaker 1: in a row. Right, But I mean she said lead
Speaker 1: the team Internet, somebody's got to get the three. Let's say.
Speaker 1: Don't act like it's what's the number on one person
Speaker 1: this year? I mean, honestly, until I see otherwise, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna assume three or less because I in my time here,
Speaker 1: they there has not been a guy finished with like
Speaker 1: a real ball hawking number for the last time a
Speaker 1: cornerback led the team and pick freaking like two thousand,
Speaker 1: it's been like Anthony Henry. Maybe honestly it was it
Speaker 1: was it was Sean Lee. My first season with five
Speaker 1: h it's easy to say no, you know, and take
Speaker 1: the field with someone else. I say, I say no, though,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go with cheeky. I actually think one
Speaker 1: of these young cornerbacks is going to lead the team
Speaker 1: this year. I hope, I hope that's true because it
Speaker 1: means that they're balling out of control. But until then,
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath is the reigning champ, Like, come get my crown.
Speaker 1: I'm not just giving it to you. See, dark horse
Speaker 1: would be Anthony Brown. Anthony Brown seems to get he
Speaker 1: gets his hands on the ball a little bit. Jaln
Speaker 1: just get more sacks than everyone else besides d Law
Speaker 1: who I'm sorry, sorry second, Oh god, I hope not no.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, I'm driving this train, Like I
Speaker 1: think Jay he's gonna he's gonna blitz, he's gonna rush
Speaker 1: the pass, or he's gonna get some sacks. But I'm
Speaker 1: thinking like four or five. I mean, it's hard to
Speaker 1: imagine a linebacker, a true linebacker, not a rushing linebacker
Speaker 1: like a four. Do you think do you think he's
Speaker 1: gonna get more than who's gonna get five? Who's gonna
Speaker 1: get more. Second, I would hope that one of these ends,
Speaker 1: whether I mean Tyrone had what four and a half
Speaker 1: last year? Yeah, I would hope one of these ends
Speaker 1: can get to six. I mean we're talking about how
Speaker 1: talented they all are. Gregory, I mean between between Gregory
Speaker 1: Elie Taco, it's gonna be Taco. That's that's an interesting
Speaker 1: urban Irving. I mean Irving was second last year. I
Speaker 1: played six games. He gets six sacks. He might he could.
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised. I would It's bad for
Speaker 1: the Dallas pass for USh if Jalen Smith is second
Speaker 1: in sacks, Let's put it that way, unless it's depending
Speaker 1: on how they use defense. Depending on how they use
Speaker 1: They're not gonna put his hand in the dirt, no,
Speaker 1: But so if they're blitzing him quite a bit, then
Speaker 1: there's a chance that you can get there. I Like
Speaker 1: I said, I it's hard for me to imagine a
Speaker 1: four or three linebacker finishing with more than like five
Speaker 1: or seas. Yeah, but like, oh, I mean I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I you know, I hate to ascribe too much to
Speaker 1: a guy that hasn't even practiced yet, but like, I
Speaker 1: don't my guy Taco looks like he's ready to take
Speaker 1: a step. I'm with you on that. I actually think
Speaker 1: tackle is ready to take the next step. So I
Speaker 1: just somebody on this team's got to be capable of
Speaker 1: six or seven hopefully more, but at least that you
Speaker 1: think he has a legitimate shot to replace Tarrell Crawford
Speaker 1: is starting as a starting defenseman. It's hard for me
Speaker 1: to say that just because he usually plays left side, Like,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen him on the right. Would he be
Speaker 1: good enough? Though? Where they have to say, hey, we
Speaker 1: gotta got to get him on the field more. Ask
Speaker 1: me again in two weeks. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him, but he hasn't been playing over there.
Speaker 1: Your your competitors for right side right now are Cony Eally,
Speaker 1: um Dorian's armstrong, and then assuming when he gets back
Speaker 1: into the speed of things, obviously Gregory. So okay, Dan Bailey,
Speaker 1: we know about his injury last year and how that
Speaker 1: affected him. Are you guys concern about him at this point?
Speaker 1: C or No? No? No, yes, Oh my god? See
Speaker 1: why because the last time I saw him he was
Speaker 1: missing a twenty four yard field goal in Philadelphia. I
Speaker 1: mean the last time yesterday. Okay, sorry. The last time
Speaker 1: I saw him gonna kick that actually mattered, he missed
Speaker 1: one yesterday. I just, uh, yes, you have you have to.
Speaker 1: Not everybody's atam vinitary. Not everybody kicks till they're sixty
Speaker 1: years old. Every all these kickers that are automatic, at
Speaker 1: one point they they drop off for whatever the reason.
Speaker 1: It probably started with an injury or whatever. And so
Speaker 1: I'm pulling form more than anybody. But concerned. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I just want to see that because it's it's
Speaker 1: not about physical anymore, but it is. And let's just see,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm concerned because it's a position that matters so
Speaker 1: much in today's NFL. I'm not concerned yet, but I
Speaker 1: will say if we get to the preseason or the
Speaker 1: regular season and that first miss, if he misses one
Speaker 1: that is a legitimate, makeable field goal, then I will
Speaker 1: start to worry significantly because of what happened last year. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's all right. So right now I'm not concerned yet,
Speaker 1: given him benefit because he's been so good and so steady.
Speaker 1: I'm giving him a benefit of doubt and saying I'm
Speaker 1: not concerned right now. Let's see, I get that kicking
Speaker 1: is is much more mental than physical. But I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I think about Tyrn Smith is like, you know, he's
Speaker 1: had problems two years in a row, but you give
Speaker 1: him the benefit of the doubt because he's so damn
Speaker 1: good when he's out there. I'm I give damn Bailey
Speaker 1: a mulligan. He's been so good for eight seven years.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, I'm not gonna be worried about him
Speaker 1: until he gives me a reason to be, which I
Speaker 1: mean maybe that's a week from now. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but right now I feel fine, which leads to the
Speaker 1: next question. Will Tyron Smith play a full season? See
Speaker 1: or no? No, no, But it won't be like it'll
Speaker 1: you know, it'll be like the Sean Lee like management
Speaker 1: type of deal, Like he won't for whatever reason, he
Speaker 1: won't play the last game, whether for good reason or bad,
Speaker 1: like they'll you know, he won't need to play. But
Speaker 1: he's gonna be healthy more than he's not, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense, he would be he wouldn't play by choice
Speaker 1: of the coaching style. Let's protect him to be relatively healthy.
Speaker 1: He's he's saying, not sixteen games, not sixteen games, but
Speaker 1: not sixteen games, but more than fourteen or more might
Speaker 1: miss the short weekend Thanksgiving because if he had got bigger,
Speaker 1: if they're already in the playoffs, or if they're already
Speaker 1: out of the playoffs, they won't play him in week seventeen.
Speaker 1: Whatever butes won't be a major is it will not
Speaker 1: be a major. I agree with that, honestly. I will
Speaker 1: say this, I don't know the injuries. I can't say.
Speaker 1: I don't think injuries would be a major won't be
Speaker 1: a major issue. I think there will be times when
Speaker 1: he's not practicing. He's our new he's our new Romo,
Speaker 1: and you're ready. They're having to manage him and that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But I don't know that. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna miss games. I guess this is the way
Speaker 1: I Tyron Tyron Wednesday is gonna be a thing, like
Speaker 1: I bet he'll probably it's early, but I won't like
Speaker 1: if he's only practicing on Fridays all year, I won't
Speaker 1: be surprised. What we know is he's a warrior, so
Speaker 1: he's gonna If there's a chance for him to play,
Speaker 1: he's playing. But it just they're just captaim in. It's insane,
Speaker 1: Like he had the back, he had the knee, and
Speaker 1: he had the groin, and he still played like a series.
Speaker 1: He still played a series against Seattle before he was like,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I can't. He's amazing, he's a
Speaker 1: he's a warrior. Yeah. Shoot, well, well the Cowboys regret
Speaker 1: cutting des Bryant. No, I said that quickly and with
Speaker 1: conviction with my chest. Um see ye see and and
Speaker 1: and it's more like maybe they won't, maybe they maybe
Speaker 1: they won't miss his production this year. But to Nick's point, like,
Speaker 1: if you were on the team today, he'd be this
Speaker 1: team's best receiver and on top of that, I mean
Speaker 1: he'd also beats quarterback's biggest distraction. And you just you
Speaker 1: guys just saying that the quarterback is gonna have to
Speaker 1: step up and be better, right, So which one do
Speaker 1: you want? I mean I get that, and I like,
Speaker 1: to a degree, I buy the company line. But I
Speaker 1: saw them play pretty well together in twenty sixteen, so
Speaker 1: I get it. But that wasn't the case. I mean,
Speaker 1: all you see, let me take this into the future too.
Speaker 1: And the reason I'm cheating a little bit because it
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of Jimmy Johnson in the sense
Speaker 1: that like twenty years from now, twenty years from now,
Speaker 1: he's gonna go into the Ring of Honor and like
Speaker 1: he's this great Cowboys player. He's gonna hold a lot
Speaker 1: of Cowboy records years for the for what whatever? You
Speaker 1: get my point? Why you gotta do that? I don't know,
Speaker 1: because you would He's gonna You're right, he's gonna hold
Speaker 1: the franchise touchdown record for the foreseeable future. Jason Witten's retired,
Speaker 1: like nobody's catching him, but like for the rest of
Speaker 1: like for the like it's always gonna be there. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, like des was this great cowboy but like
Speaker 1: it ended kind of bad and you know, like that's no.
Speaker 1: But that's every name a guy that was here. Emmett
Speaker 1: Smith got cut and when he got cut, there was acrimony.
Speaker 1: He went on did the article where he said he
Speaker 1: was he was a diamond surrounded by trash. Like that's
Speaker 1: a part of it, don't don't. Nobody thinks about it now,
Speaker 1: But that's not true. People do they They're like, remember
Speaker 1: when Emmett cried in the locker room the first time
Speaker 1: you had to play at Texas Stam. Nobody cares. They
Speaker 1: might not. It's still there. Though it's not. It's not
Speaker 1: the storybook ending you want for one of your franchises. Great,
Speaker 1: there's not many guys to get the story but but
Speaker 1: typically Jason Witten got the story. But most guys that
Speaker 1: go into the Ring of Honor tend to get the
Speaker 1: story book more often than not. Troy Hitman did not
Speaker 1: get the story book. Michael Rban didn't get the story.
Speaker 1: But retiring, because retiring because you got hurt is different
Speaker 1: than getting cut. No, Aikman wanted to continue playing. The
Speaker 1: cowboys were like, we're done, dude, Like, we're not. We're
Speaker 1: not going to have you back. At least they put
Speaker 1: a good face on it. He wanted to continue playing.
Speaker 1: You don't think he wanted to continue playing. No, LaVar
Speaker 1: Arrington knocked him into the Texas Stadium turf and when
Speaker 1: that was it was over for him. I think he
Speaker 1: got cut because of it was easier with the salary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that way. There were certainly stories, hey, that I
Speaker 1: was hearing about about the fact that he did he
Speaker 1: did he did he roll up? Did he roll up
Speaker 1: with his people for a meeting with Jerry that lasted
Speaker 1: five minutes and then piece the hell out of there?
Speaker 1: Never to come back. No, it didn't work that way.
Speaker 1: Like it's a sour ending for a great player, that's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. So in that regard, I think there
Speaker 1: will be some regret about the way it went down
Speaker 1: in the future, whether or not they'll miss him in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, I'm kind of fifty fifty. But that's what
Speaker 1: you're that's the question. That's the question, And I honestly
Speaker 1: don't think I totally. I just wanted to take that
Speaker 1: into left field. I got another course. What they may miss.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they for what they gain. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be a real another c or
Speaker 1: no question. If Jason Witten retires earlier, a month earlier,
Speaker 1: do they still cut Das Yes, So it wasn't it.
Speaker 1: They're not worried. Everything they did clearly about the money.
Speaker 1: It's not about the money. It wasn't the money. Like
Speaker 1: I mean, they were just like, get get off our team,
Speaker 1: please get off. But he was one of the guys
Speaker 1: probably saying that get off our team. Okay, but our team.
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I'm you don't make a decision like
Speaker 1: that without the sign from QB one. Yeah there, And
Speaker 1: I mean, but I think there's plenty of avlidity that
Speaker 1: does his whole Garrett, because I'm not I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it from a standpoint of just like Witting, like oneted that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm saying is isn't that? Because
Speaker 1: what was everyone talking about how different things are for Dack.
Speaker 1: They're like, well, he doesn't have Witten this year, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have Das. So if you knew one of them,
Speaker 1: you controlled one of them. You didn't. If you knew
Speaker 1: that right off the season, Witten was gone. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they if they do that with that, but
Speaker 1: I think it's still that even though they're you kind
Speaker 1: of putting them together. I think they were too independent decisions,
Speaker 1: I really, and I think regardless of what happened with one,
Speaker 1: the other was still gonna be likely to happen or not.
Speaker 1: Like I think I don't think it was they were
Speaker 1: tied together. I don't think they would have made a
Speaker 1: different decision if they known Whitten was going to retire
Speaker 1: by like January thirty first, after they hired Sanjay Lawl
Speaker 1: and gave him a chance to watch the tape and
Speaker 1: had meetings maybe February whatever. I think they made that decision.
Speaker 1: I bet you if Sanjay would have come in and
Speaker 1: be like, let me work with this guy talent I
Speaker 1: can give you know, and the story, the storyline, the
Speaker 1: storyline would have been like Deck and des like we're
Speaker 1: gonna fix their chemistry, Like that's what we would be
Speaker 1: talking about right now. But yeah, but they didn't want that,
Speaker 1: which is why I don't think Witten's tirement had any
Speaker 1: impact on bad at all. Well, Amber, we thank you
Speaker 1: for that rousing edition of Seat on the Yea. We
Speaker 1: get we run down the list, but I'm hosting. Derek
Speaker 1: is gonna do cr No, all right, you want to
Speaker 1: host Monday Night, Monday, She's hosting Monday. All right. We're
Speaker 1: appreciate you, guys, Josas we're back on Monday. We'll have
Speaker 1: more Cowboys talking from you for you live from Oxnard, California,
Speaker 1: told in for Nick even Amber Garcia, Dave Nowman. I'm
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