Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we always know to knock
Speaker 1: the ball down at the goal line.
Speaker 2: On Hail Mary. I'm rolling around here in the Chris.
Speaker 1: Wesleyan podcast studio with Patrick claybah Nick Shook.
Speaker 2: Joining us from Cleveland.
Speaker 1: And Yes, this is one of those days that as
Speaker 1: the witching hour hit in the early window of games,
Speaker 1: Scott Hansen's going nuts. I'm going nuts. There were so
Speaker 1: many good games. I was like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: game we could possibly start the show with, and then
Speaker 1: a game in a moment just presents itself to us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the thing is, there's so much that we
Speaker 3: can discuss just on the final play of the game.
Speaker 4: And for those of you who were finding this out
Speaker 4: on the podcast, Okay.
Speaker 2: Let's listen to the call. Then right off the path,
Speaker 2: let's do.
Speaker 4: It the eight deep for we get the goal on
Speaker 4: they bring three. Dabel's backing up. He's just gonna the one.
Speaker 4: Flaw goes to the white song, steps away from.
Speaker 3: The defenders, gives himself some time now, steps up, fires
Speaker 3: heads towards the end zone.
Speaker 4: It is talking about the ball, does just about hell
Speaker 4: hell yes, Blood and Fletcher.
Speaker 2: Blood and Fletcher Hell Mary Hell Yes, that.
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Speaker 1: d with talking about our Dodgers here in Los Angeles there.
Speaker 2: I think I could.
Speaker 1: Barely hear it over the screaming and yelling some pop.
Speaker 2: Yes, Jaden Daniels finds Noah.
Speaker 1: Brown after a deflection up a few hands, but Tyreek
Speaker 1: Stevenson was jumping in there at the end for the Bears.
Speaker 1: And it goes to Noah Brown and the Washington Commanders
Speaker 1: and what is turning out to be an absolutely magical
Speaker 1: year win eighteen to fifteen. And when I saw this happen,
Speaker 1: and my first thought was kind of like, ball, don't lie.
Speaker 1: There was not a bad call in this game, and
Speaker 1: yet they were the better team all day.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, the right team kind of won.
Speaker 1: And it was also the right team because I picked
Speaker 1: them in Patrick Claven did yees And.
Speaker 3: So congratulations to Washington Commanders. Fans will celebrate that play
Speaker 3: in that moment for the rest of your lives. It's
Speaker 3: because I picked the Bears and stuck with them, which
Speaker 3: felt like a great picnic considering the way that the
Speaker 3: game was going, where the Bears could do absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams had four completions late in the second half,
Speaker 3: but then DeAndre Swift goes on a fifty plus yard
Speaker 3: touchdown run. They come out the next drive, they go
Speaker 3: nine plays eighty four yards, and then for some reason,
Speaker 3: unbeknownst to everybody on the planet except for him and
Speaker 3: a backup offensive lineman Shane Waldron, calls a play oh
Speaker 3: and gives the ball to Doug Kramer in the on
Speaker 3: the one yard line. He fumbles and the Commander's recover
Speaker 3: somehow the Bears get back down there. Caleb Williams leads
Speaker 3: a drive, they take the lead, and then history happens.
Speaker 3: But just a very odd game with some odd decisions.
Speaker 3: Either team could have won literally to the final seconds,
Speaker 3: but Washington, you know, gets the miracle that will remember
Speaker 3: for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 1: Did you scream in Cleveland, Nick Schuck when that happened?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes I did. I screamed almost at the top
Speaker 5: of my lungs while sitting here in my office in
Speaker 5: my house.
Speaker 4: Yes I did.
Speaker 5: And you're right, Greg, I think you hit the nail
Speaker 5: right on the head there. It felt like Washington was
Speaker 5: the better team, and when Chicago scored, I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is a rotal loss for them because they've outplayed
Speaker 5: them for the majority of this game. And then Jalen
Speaker 5: drops back and throws to Hail Mary. That sends the
Speaker 5: broadcasters into just shouting, like just undecipherable shouting, pure euphoria
Speaker 5: in the form of football. That is the beauty of
Speaker 5: this game. You know, how can you not love this
Speaker 5: sport in moments like that? And also it really caps,
Speaker 5: you know, an interesting week for Jalen. He gets hurt
Speaker 5: in the previous week and we're talking about his rib
Speaker 5: injury all week and whether he'll play, and he's questionable,
Speaker 5: and then he decides to play. And then even on
Speaker 5: the broadcast during the game, they're talking about how well
Speaker 5: that rib. You know, I don't know if he's got
Speaker 5: it in him to make that throw. Let's get the
Speaker 5: ball near the fifty yard line at least give us
Speaker 5: a chance. Ends up throwing it from the thirty five
Speaker 5: and it manages to get there off of a sea
Speaker 5: of defenders. That is hail Mary X book right there
Speaker 5: offensively defensively. Let you forgot to leave a guy behind
Speaker 5: there at Bears and the Commander's magical season continues.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sick of these teams not sending extra rushers
Speaker 1: on these hail maryors. Yes, think it's better and Bears
Speaker 1: fans and people in my mention say, well, he got
Speaker 1: the extra time because there was a whole like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a hole towards the end of the play.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the worst hold I've ever seen. Calm down
Speaker 1: about that being the difference between when he and losing.
Speaker 1: He held onto the ball for almost thirteen seconds. It
Speaker 1: was the first touchdown pass according to next Gen Stats
Speaker 1: that has been held for over ten seconds, like in
Speaker 1: their entire era of keeping track. And I give Jayden
Speaker 1: Daniels some credit obviously for this, not just that it
Speaker 1: was a great throw because he got the arc on it,
Speaker 1: but all that time that he bought, got his receivers
Speaker 1: ready for, and got him in a position where he
Speaker 1: could really run up and do it.
Speaker 2: Because there was a moment a little earlier in.
Speaker 1: That play, probably after he held the ball about six
Speaker 1: or seven seconds, where he thought he was going to
Speaker 1: throw it, but he didn't.
Speaker 2: He decided to hold on run around a little more.
Speaker 1: That takes some supreme confidence, and yes, it takes a
Speaker 1: little bit of luck on a day where he just
Speaker 1: was so athletic. You said we could talk a lot
Speaker 1: about just that play alone. What do you want to
Speaker 1: talk about about that play?
Speaker 3: Well, ultimately, which film review is going to show a
Speaker 3: lot before the Before the play, Tyreek Stevenson is over
Speaker 3: on the numbers, talking to the commander's sideline and fans
Speaker 3: and being very demonstrative. And then the ball is snapped.
Speaker 3: He wheels around. He ultimately cuts in front of Noah Brown.
Speaker 3: It's his tip that goes to Noah Brown seconds after
Speaker 3: tawning the sideline and the fans. And but ultimately, because
Speaker 3: we saw on the Rogers hil Mary where the Bills
Speaker 3: are rushing to the decision to like have have kind
Speaker 3: of like a spy slash pass rush where you don't
Speaker 3: necessarily know how how this is going. It's just a
Speaker 3: calamity of errors for the Bears, where in a game
Speaker 3: that that they had won, like despite their best efforts,
Speaker 3: uh and the fumble on the goal line, the Bears
Speaker 3: had this game won multiple times.
Speaker 1: Right, and and it hurts so much because this game
Speaker 1: felt like it meant a lot to the Bears, certainly
Speaker 1: to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2: The two draft picks.
Speaker 1: I thought Caleb was a little scattershow in the game,
Speaker 1: the offensive line for the Bears did not play well
Speaker 1: pass protecting. They had a couple injuries, and by the
Speaker 1: end it's just a mass unit out there. Caleb finishes
Speaker 1: ten for twenty four for one to thirty one, but
Speaker 1: they get the touchdown on the end and on that
Speaker 1: final drive, you know, he had some crucial passes.
Speaker 2: A great throw earlier.
Speaker 1: In the quarter to DJ Moore where DJ Moore got blasted.
Speaker 1: I guess that was the one they didn't end up
Speaker 1: scoring the touchdop, but the play to Keenan Allen that
Speaker 1: he improvises was a great play. Some important throws to
Speaker 1: Adunze who ends up with three for forty one, and
Speaker 1: when they hit that touchdown Roshawn Johnson one yard run
Speaker 1: with about twenty five seconds off, I just thought, Wow,
Speaker 1: what a big moment in their season. It's such a
Speaker 1: tough race in the NFC North, Nick like the game
Speaker 1: almost meant more to them, but they they left too
Speaker 1: much time on the clock for Jade and Daniels, and
Speaker 1: they even did the thing that they that I wanted
Speaker 1: teams to do. They actually kicked it short of the
Speaker 1: goal line and they wasted a couple of seconds on
Speaker 1: that and they got better field position Daniels's first pass,
Speaker 1: so the drive was incomplete, but he did get one
Speaker 1: to zach Ertz and then McLaurin for eleven and thirteen
Speaker 1: yards to set up the touchdown. So that was good
Speaker 1: situational football by Washington to eventually get the winn. And
Speaker 1: it hurts because man, the Bears hadn't given up a
Speaker 1: touchdown the whole day, which it was a great bend
Speaker 1: but don't break performance by them, which is what Matt
Speaker 1: Eberflus's defense is all about. End up giving up four
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty one yards on the day, and yet
Speaker 1: they hadn't given up a touchdown until that last play.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much everything had to fall the right order.
Speaker 5: I mean, they had had that one time out to
Speaker 5: stop the clock when they got the pass over in
Speaker 5: the middle, Ursy had to get the completion of the
Speaker 5: sideline near the fifty yard line even set up that throw.
Speaker 5: But it all comes down to two rules that I
Speaker 5: would like to frame and add to my list that
Speaker 5: I'm sometimes in the future I'm going to hang behind me,
Speaker 5: which is one, never rush three We've talked about that before,
Speaker 5: and two don't count your score before the ball is
Speaker 5: in the hole, talking about Tyrek Stevenson tawning the sideline
Speaker 5: and then immediately getting football karma shoved right in his
Speaker 5: face as the ball glances off his hand for the
Speaker 5: hail Mary. I mean, look, guys, how often do we
Speaker 5: get a hill married Unless it's Aaron Rodgers throwing, it
Speaker 5: doesn't happen offense. We really have to appreciate this, not
Speaker 5: only because the context of the game, but just because
Speaker 5: it was an amazing hill Mary.
Speaker 1: Right, And it's a win that puts the Commanders at
Speaker 1: six and two. They're in a good division race. The
Speaker 1: Bears are going to need every last one of these ones,
Speaker 1: and it felt like they were going to steal one.
Speaker 1: Let's hear from Dan Quinn on that final play.
Speaker 6: Look, Jayden did a fantastic job of, you know, buying time,
Speaker 6: buying time over to the right side lesson.
Speaker 1: I don't know how long the play was, maybe you
Speaker 1: guys might, but it took a long ass time. Thirteen seconds.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I felt every bit of them.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Patrick just showed me the vision of
Speaker 1: from a fans camera of Stevenson. He wasn't just I
Speaker 1: imagine It's like, well, before the snap is happening during
Speaker 1: the play. He's taunting them during the play, and then
Speaker 1: he whips around and he's like, oh my god, the
Speaker 1: play is happening right now, and he starts running over
Speaker 1: like he's that is absolutely amazing by him. I mean this,
Speaker 1: and I hate to make it about the quarterbacks versus
Speaker 1: each other, but I think it's fair to say jayde
Speaker 1: danis playing better than Caleb Williams this season. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels's movement in this game early, I know they
Speaker 1: didn't have touchdowns, but he ends up with three hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty six yards through the air, fifty two on
Speaker 1: the ground, and some of the first downs Patrick Betty
Speaker 1: scrambled for. It just took my breath away, the lateral
Speaker 1: movement and just the explosion that he has as a runner.
Speaker 1: He is just a special player. So Caleb's gonna get there.
Speaker 1: He's been great and he had some good runs today
Speaker 1: and DeAndre Swift helps out and everything, But Jayden Daniels
Speaker 1: is at a level where like he's on quarterback Island
Speaker 1: for instance, he's maybe in the MVP race.
Speaker 2: That's like the level that he's playing at.
Speaker 3: And the whole field is in play with Jayden Daniels,
Speaker 3: and you see it like you see late stage Russell
Speaker 3: Wilson ignoring the middle of the field. Right, there's really
Speaker 3: nowhere where you can count on Jayden Daniels to not
Speaker 3: have an option, especially considering the way the Terry mclaurin's playing.
Speaker 3: He caught him on the sixty plus yarder earlier in
Speaker 3: the game, where again Tony Romo was concerned about his ribs,
Speaker 3: as Romo should be as a guy who's played with
Speaker 3: busted ribs multiple times through his career. He hits McLaurin there,
Speaker 3: zach Ertz, you really involved in this game. He got
Speaker 3: eleven targets seventy seven yards, but Terry had won twenty five.
Speaker 3: But it's just the speed to the edge from Jayden
Speaker 3: Daniels where you're not the player doesn't exist, right, That's
Speaker 3: gonna be in the middle of the field with Jaden
Speaker 3: Daniels watching, and then Jayden Daniels decides that he's gonna
Speaker 3: take the sideline and get five yards.
Speaker 4: That that player does not exist.
Speaker 1: That's the part that reminds me the most of Lamar
Speaker 1: because that's how I thought to his his rookie years,
Speaker 1: like when he goes to the edge like you're not
Speaker 1: gonna stop him before we move on from this incredible
Speaker 1: game in moment. Randy Chavez a great producer. I don't
Speaker 1: know how he heard that the Portuguese call was so great,
Speaker 1: but he's like, you got to hear this Portuguese call
Speaker 1: of the play.
Speaker 2: It's pretty great, and I got it. It is pretty great.
Speaker 8: Jadon Daniels, Mary Lou Lush nice my submiss a, Stampos Chain, Dannis.
Speaker 2: Who glado look that kind of day in Washington.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 1: One fan who said that's been there to every single
Speaker 1: game said the explosion when that touchdown was caught, that
Speaker 1: was the loudest they have ever heard. That stadium shaping
Speaker 1: up to be a special season. Let's go to Cleveland
Speaker 1: where it's been a tough season, but they had a
Speaker 1: special day too.
Speaker 10: If you're the Cleveland brown one, pay to get a
Speaker 10: huge emotional witch.
Speaker 11: You gotta think twenty four yards, let's go three seconds, this.
Speaker 4: Is it for the win.
Speaker 2: Makes some noise, We're every you can hear the.
Speaker 12: Sounds about our voice right now.
Speaker 11: Twenty four yard nine shut guns rounds up, twenty nine,
Speaker 11: twenty four. Lamar Jackson has the football it's rushing for Lamar,
Speaker 11: flushed out, Lamar chase by scenarios, Lamar Jackson are poisonarious.
Speaker 11: He's gotta throwing, directing traffic, punk pak now throwing end zone,
Speaker 11: go corner.
Speaker 2: No, God it cook Ude, The Crowns Will twenty nine,
Speaker 2: twenty four. You just knew it.
Speaker 4: You knew it, you felt it.
Speaker 2: So many things happening this game, they're unexplainable. Let it
Speaker 2: all landed up to a brownswin. This one's for you.
Speaker 4: Just thought of it.
Speaker 1: What a call one of the calls of the year.
Speaker 1: Put that on the list. Yes, that was Andrew Ceciliano,
Speaker 1: w K R K Andrew and Nathan Zegura. An emotional moment. Yes,
Speaker 1: Jim Donovan, the late great play by play announcer of
Speaker 1: the Browns, lost his battle with cancer over the weekend,
Speaker 1: sixty eight years old. And if you have a chance,
Speaker 1: watch the camera work of that play on Andrew and
Speaker 1: Nathan Zigern and there's even more to it. It's emotional.
Speaker 1: It's kind of what broadcasting is all about. And I
Speaker 1: know for those two guys, they were playing hurt today
Speaker 1: because you know they were friends with Jim Donovan and
Speaker 1: he meant a lot to that organization, Andrew Barry. Kevin
Speaker 1: Stefanski actually went to the house of the Donovans and
Speaker 1: gave the game ball to his wife and his daughter.
Speaker 1: But what a game they had in Cleveland. Nick took
Speaker 1: the Browns win it twenty nine to twenty four. We
Speaker 1: had scores back and forth in the fourth quarter. In
Speaker 1: the final five minutes, Hopkins gets a field goal, the
Speaker 1: Ravens get a touchdown with two and a half minutes left,
Speaker 1: and then Jamis Winston leads a touchdown drive that you
Speaker 1: know is capped by a touchdown to Cedric Tillman for
Speaker 1: thirty eight yards, and the Browns when an improbable game
Speaker 1: against the team we thought was the best in the
Speaker 1: AFC outside of Kansas City.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I still think they're the best, but this was
Speaker 5: a special day, like you said, for a team that's
Speaker 5: had a tough season. Jameis Winston breathed life into this
Speaker 5: offense that we have not seen all season because Deshaun
Speaker 5: Watson was playing quarterback. You know, Patrick and I think
Speaker 5: joked about this a few weeks ago when Jamis came
Speaker 5: in for a meaningless drive and moved the ball down
Speaker 5: the field and scored a touchdown. Where even in the
Speaker 5: few throws that he had he looked like the best
Speaker 5: quarterback on the team. Well they got that for four
Speaker 5: quarters today. Now he took his typical Jamis risks for sure,
Speaker 5: a few interceptions worthy passes that were not caught, including
Speaker 5: one that was dropped by Kyle Hamilton that probably would
Speaker 5: have sealed the game or at least made it a
Speaker 5: lot more difficult for the Browns to come back against
Speaker 5: the Ravens. And yet none of that stuff happens. They
Speaker 5: get every bounce to go their way. They get all
Speaker 5: their receivers involved. David a Jok, who has a great day,
Speaker 5: makes a great touchdown catch, makes a great diving catch
Speaker 5: early in the game. Jerry Judy, who was very frustrated
Speaker 5: a week earlier, gets involved. Elijah Moore. Cedric Tillman catches
Speaker 5: two touchdown passes, probably the first time Browns fans have
Speaker 5: seen anything from Cedric Tillman, and that defense came to
Speaker 5: play like it has for most of the season. They
Speaker 5: limited Lamar to twenty three to thirty eight passing. You know,
Speaker 5: for twenty nine two touchdowns, it's still a good enough,
Speaker 5: good line, But if you watched it visually, you would
Speaker 5: see that things were difficult for the Ravens is because
Speaker 5: of that Browns defense. So the first time they put
Speaker 5: together a total team win, it started with Jameis Winston.
Speaker 5: It was not just him and absolutely an emotional day
Speaker 5: for Browns fans who lost a local legend who's been
Speaker 5: here for thirty plus years and a perfect way to
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Jamis on the podium talking about those
Speaker 1: dropped interceptions, because yeah, there was more than one.
Speaker 13: What went through your mind when you saw Kyle Amlson
Speaker 13: dropped that dropped the interception?
Speaker 9: Oh, I started praying instantly, you know, I started praying instantly.
Speaker 9: It was only about a grace of God. And I
Speaker 9: think when situations like that happened, you always sit back
Speaker 9: and you be like, man, I still got the stuff
Speaker 9: to work on, right, because it could have been a
Speaker 9: matter of whatever. Who knows how we would feel right
Speaker 9: now if that would have happened. But I'm so grateful
Speaker 9: that that was an if and ifs and should and
Speaker 9: would have could haves.
Speaker 4: Don't mehing in his game?
Speaker 2: Well we're well, we're on Jamis.
Speaker 1: Let's just listen to all his post game sound because
Speaker 1: he was he was in rear form and yeah, I
Speaker 1: mentioned that Kyle Hamilton dropped that you also did too, shook. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would have basically ended the game. But there were
Speaker 1: a few in this game, and a few It was
Speaker 1: to Eddie Jackson, the Raven safety who was playing in
Speaker 1: place of Marcus Williams, a big ticket free agent signing
Speaker 1: who just has not been playing well this year at all,
Speaker 1: did not play all in this game. John Harbass said
Speaker 1: that we're working through some things there and they expect
Speaker 1: Marcus Williams to play well by the end of the season.
Speaker 1: Mate made me wonder if something else happened when they
Speaker 1: told Marcus Williams that he was benched. Maybe it didn't
Speaker 1: go too well because he got zero snaps on a
Speaker 1: day where they were a little thin in the secondary,
Speaker 1: and maybe he wouldn't have been in position like Eddie Jackson.
Speaker 1: But I kept thinking, well, Marcus Williams, if nothing else,
Speaker 1: has good hands. He probably would have caught those passes.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Jamis as I was saying right after
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 14: Man, there's a there's a white boy from Detroit that
Speaker 14: I really admired and m He said, you only get
Speaker 14: one shot, do not miss a chance to blow this
Speaker 14: opportunity last once.
Speaker 2: In a lifetime.
Speaker 14: And I know I got a quote, you know, Eminem
Speaker 14: he from Detroit, he right up the road.
Speaker 4: But man, I'm just grateful.
Speaker 14: I'm grateful that the Lord prouded me with this opportunity.
Speaker 14: I'm grateful for my teammates, my coaches, and these amazing fans.
Speaker 4: His soul is escaping through the hole that is gaping.
Speaker 4: That was the.
Speaker 3: It's tough to It's tough, Greg's it's really tough. And
Speaker 3: congratulations on a great win to the Cleveland Brown. Yes,
Speaker 3: but you mentioned the dropped interception by Eddie Jackson. There
Speaker 3: was the dropped third and seventeen completion to Rashod Bateman.
Speaker 4: Zay Flowers had drops as well.
Speaker 3: Drops for the story of the game for Baltimore, who
Speaker 3: once again has come into a game against the team
Speaker 3: with one of the worst records in the NFL after
Speaker 3: being one of the best teams in the NFL, clearly
Speaker 3: showing that they can beat anybody anywhere, but they can
Speaker 3: also lose to anybody anywhere in the most chaotic effects.
Speaker 3: And it's not like you could pick any one of
Speaker 3: those plays. The cal Hamilton drop, Lamar had missus as well,
Speaker 3: that could have been six today. It was a total
Speaker 3: team effort, including in the play calling where Derek Henry
Speaker 3: kind of disappeared for large swasps of this game. All
Speaker 3: credit to the Browns and the Schwartz defense, but that's
Speaker 3: a tough loss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to credit CBS for that postgame interview,
Speaker 1: and yes, Eminem for a song that's still doing so
Speaker 1: well among the youth. I was at a fall festival
Speaker 1: inside of like one of those video game trucks with
Speaker 1: my son on Friday night, school sponsored like video game trucks,
Speaker 1: and Lose Yourself comes on and a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: sixth graders are just, you know, singing the lyrics.
Speaker 2: Knows every single one.
Speaker 1: Then it is passed down through generations Nick and who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe Jameis Winston will too as a Browns quarterback.
Speaker 2: Three thirty four and three touchdowns. He's your future now, I.
Speaker 5: Mean for the rest of the season. There's no question
Speaker 5: that he's the guy. I mean, he'll throw picks. This
Speaker 5: is what you're gonna get. But that's also what they
Speaker 5: got out of Joe Flacco. So Browns fans probably felt
Speaker 5: like it was deja vu to a degree because that's
Speaker 5: what Flacco did down the stretch last year. This team's
Speaker 5: not making the playoffs, but it's nice to see them,
Speaker 5: you know, actually form a competent offense for one week
Speaker 5: with a quarterback, you can get the ball out on
Speaker 5: time and largely accurately. It's something that they definitely needed
Speaker 5: after what's been a rough year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, competent and considering the investment. Much like the forty
Speaker 3: one million dollars that went into making the film eight
Speaker 3: Mile when it grows two and forty one million dollars.
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, a good bargain. Directed by my guy Curtis Hansen.
Speaker 1: There it's coming off wonder Boys. I mean, what a
Speaker 1: wild one to two punch that was for different types
Speaker 1: of movies. Yeah, when you see Cedric Tilben go seven
Speaker 1: for ninety nine, Elijah Boor eight for eighty five, Judy
Speaker 1: five for seventy nine, in Djoku five for sixty one,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, it was all always the quarterback.
Speaker 2: It was always the quarterback.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy to me if Jamis Winston plays well
Speaker 1: enough to possibly save Andrew Berry's job, because if Andrew
Speaker 1: Berry's signing, you know, signing of Deshaun Watson was so
Speaker 1: bad because he got hurt. Like Deshaun Watson, staying was
Speaker 1: the way for them to tank. I think there might
Speaker 1: be part of the people in the front office that
Speaker 1: want as high a draftic as possible. Jameis Winston might
Speaker 1: help to ruin that. And it only happened because their guy,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson got hurt.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Let's end on a positive, no, or at least a
Speaker 1: bittersweet note. We've had so many Jim Donovan calls over
Speaker 1: the years on the Around the NFL podcast, and now
Speaker 1: we're here as the NFL Daily Podcast, and I think
Speaker 1: about that that great Brown's victory, which is the second
Speaker 1: to last show that Chris Ever did on the show.
Speaker 1: That's very emotional for Mark on the show. Love seeing
Speaker 1: the Browns getting that win. And so many different great
Speaker 1: calls over the year. Let's listen before we go to
Speaker 1: the next game, to one other great Jim Donovan call.
Speaker 10: Mayfield under center, second down in ten takes the snap,
Speaker 10: gives it Bruns.
Speaker 2: He's in a tenth fifteen, He's in.
Speaker 10: The twenty twenty five, thirty, thirty five, forty, forty.
Speaker 13: Five, fifty there ghost Jim hes in the thirty twenty
Speaker 13: down five touchdown shop Alahap.
Speaker 2: Ninety two yards.
Speaker 4: Pretty unbelievable. He has a second gear.
Speaker 3: I just got hit more by you than I did
Speaker 3: it by fourteen years in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Oh what play?
Speaker 1: That was the longest run in Brown's history, called by
Speaker 1: the great Jim Donovan, Rest in peace.
Speaker 5: When I joined the Browns in twenty nineteen, was there
Speaker 5: for about a year. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 5: new faces, a lot of people that I got to
Speaker 5: know very well. But nobody was kinder to me and
Speaker 5: more welcoming to me when I showed up than Jim Donovan.
Speaker 5: This is the guy I grew up listening to you
Speaker 5: know on Brown's radio since nineteen ninety nine. I mean,
Speaker 5: I remember when he called, you know a hail married
Speaker 5: Kevin for the Browns first woman. They came back as
Speaker 5: an expansion team over the Saints in the Superdome. Meeting
Speaker 5: him was like a dream come true. Getting to know him,
Speaker 5: becoming friends with him is even better. We'd be in
Speaker 5: the locker room, he'd come up and just asked me
Speaker 5: about an upcoming opponent and getting my take. He loved
Speaker 5: the talk, He loved football, he loved people, and he
Speaker 5: loved Cleveland, and when I left to come back here,
Speaker 5: he was one of the first people to make an
Speaker 5: emphatic statement of congratulations and best of luck. And he
Speaker 5: took time when I worked on a feature about the
Speaker 5: city of Cleveland a head of the draft. This is
Speaker 5: a massive loss for the community. I know he stepped
Speaker 5: away this year, but he will not be forgotten anytime soon.
Speaker 5: He was a fantastic individil and it explains all the
Speaker 5: emotion I'm feeling it right now that people had in
Speaker 5: that stadium today. So rest in peace. He will be
Speaker 5: forever missed.
Speaker 1: Well said Nick. Let's go to our next game, and yeah,
Speaker 1: rest in peace. Jim Donovan wheeling.
Speaker 4: Down on one knee, arm extend and here's the standard.
Speaker 4: Let's been made. The kick is up.
Speaker 2: Man is God.
Speaker 4: For a second week in a row.
Speaker 2: Brandon Manas delivers the dagger and the.
Speaker 7: Packers have defeated the Jaguars thirty to twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was a wild day. That was way Wayne
Speaker 1: Larvie on wr.
Speaker 4: In W.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 1: Game winning dagger from Brandon McManus again, set up by
Speaker 1: Malik Willis, a fifty one yard pass. Unfortunately, Jordan Love
Speaker 1: gets hurt again. He has a groin injury. More on
Speaker 1: that in a bit, But Patrick Malik Willis comes in,
Speaker 1: has a couple of runs that are important, and then yes,
Speaker 1: an important throw to Jayden Reid to set up that
Speaker 1: game winner. They're finding ways to win no matter who's
Speaker 1: that quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Packers were down thirteen to ten when
Speaker 3: Malik Willis comes into that game. Jordan Love injured himself
Speaker 3: rolling to his right early on in the game. He's
Speaker 3: kind of hobbling, not kind of, he was clearly limping
Speaker 3: handing the ball off. They did have a couple of
Speaker 3: scoring drops. I had a good ball to Romeo Dobbs
Speaker 3: as well. But late this was Milik Willis making plays,
Speaker 3: including a fifty one yarder to Jayden Reid in the
Speaker 3: closing moments to set up that Brandon McManus field goal,
Speaker 3: and also a huge play by Devonte Wyatt to get
Speaker 3: to a strip sack of Trevor Lawrence late in the
Speaker 3: game that set the Packers up deep in Jags territory
Speaker 3: where it was really because so many times it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, you just wanted it more, and you say that,
Speaker 3: it's like this guy's out there trying hard, but this
Speaker 3: was really an explosive effort to beat the Jags to
Speaker 3: that ball and to get it back. But again, having
Speaker 3: a solid, young backup quarterback that could come in on
Speaker 3: the road in these situations to get a win. It
Speaker 3: makes me think of an AFC South team that probably
Speaker 3: wouldn't mind to have Milik Willis watching him again do
Speaker 3: it against another squad as he did against his former team,
Speaker 3: the Titans earlier this year.
Speaker 2: And it's coaching too, like it.
Speaker 1: If Milik Willis was in Tennessee, wouldn't be having the
Speaker 1: success if he was in Miami.
Speaker 2: So a wonder can coach.
Speaker 1: I don't think you'd be having this success because Mike
Speaker 1: McDaniel doesn't seem to be able to know how to
Speaker 1: make it translate, and yet they do.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Matt Lafleur talk about Jordan Love's injury
Speaker 1: because obviously that's a big takeaway from this game.
Speaker 6: No idea, but obviously high level of concern anytime a
Speaker 6: guy's in there, and he did it early in that
Speaker 6: first drive, and I think you guys, I think everybody
Speaker 6: could see him struggling to move around, and I just
Speaker 6: got to a point where we didn't feel like and
Speaker 6: he didn't feel like he could protect himself. So I
Speaker 6: went with Malik, And can't say enough great things about
Speaker 6: Malik willis the job that he's able to do to
Speaker 6: go in there. You know, the moment's never too big
Speaker 6: for him. And he made a lot of big time
Speaker 6: plays in this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh Jacobs did to one hundred and twenty seven
Speaker 1: yards on the ground, a couple of touchdowns. Tucker Kraft
Speaker 1: gets it done with another long score in this game.
Speaker 1: A lot of the heroes that have been helping the
Speaker 1: Packers get to six and two shook like Xavier McKinney
Speaker 1: within an interception helps him get a win here. And
Speaker 1: this win feels even bigger because they have the Lions
Speaker 1: next week and we'll see it.
Speaker 2: We'll see about love.
Speaker 1: But in this division, you want to be banking those
Speaker 1: wins as much as possible, especially if you're not going
Speaker 1: to be you know, having your quarterback out there.
Speaker 2: We'll see.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, any game where you gave up the lead late,
Speaker 5: you had to fight back to take the lead, then
Speaker 5: it looked like you were gonna run away with it
Speaker 5: or at least you know, kind of coast to the
Speaker 5: finish line, and all of a sudden, it's a tie
Speaker 5: of ball game because of a great drive by Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 5: which we can get to in a second, because he
Speaker 5: looked pretty good. But you know, you make the point
Speaker 5: about coaching. I think this is the most impressive Malik
Speaker 5: Willis appearance of the season because he had to do
Speaker 5: it in the middle of the game. They didn't have
Speaker 5: all week to build a game plan around his strengths,
Speaker 5: you know, according to the team they were playing. He
Speaker 5: just had to come in and figure it out. He
Speaker 5: ends up going four for five for fifty six yards
Speaker 5: in a touchdown pass and he makes a phenomenal throw
Speaker 5: down the sideline to set up the end up the
Speaker 5: eventual game winning field goal. I mean he also took
Speaker 5: off with his legs to keep drives going. These are
Speaker 5: things that he's kind of gaining confidence as he plays
Speaker 5: more and realizes, look, these are my strengths, these are
Speaker 5: my weaknesses, and this is what I should do within
Speaker 5: the game. And now he's not overwhelmed anymore. So I
Speaker 5: know he's still a backup quarterback, but I was just
Speaker 5: very impressed by how he was able to step in
Speaker 5: and they didn't really miss a beat. They were able
Speaker 5: to fight back, take the lead, and end up winning
Speaker 5: the game. Really really resounding, you know, statistically kind of
Speaker 5: short appearance, but resounding appearance for him.
Speaker 4: On Sunday, Yeah, and it was you mentioned that Examer.
Speaker 3: You guys both talked about that Xavier McKinney interception could
Speaker 3: have wound up being the difference in this game. Where
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas Junior is running a clear out, trev looks
Speaker 3: up and thinks that x is are going to go
Speaker 3: with the speedy rookie, but McKinney hesitates, comes back across
Speaker 3: his body and picks off a pass intended for Christian Kirk.
Speaker 3: And the Jacks had to come back in this game
Speaker 3: without Christian Kirk because there was a deep ball down
Speaker 3: the middle of the field that got punched out late.
Speaker 3: Christian Kirk lands directly on his shoulder, was on the
Speaker 3: ground writhing in pain. It was it shook points out
Speaker 3: another solid trev game where it was aside from that
Speaker 3: play in the strip sack, this is what you want
Speaker 3: from Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: They've got a good offense. I think we can officially
Speaker 1: stamp it. They're a good offense for years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, especially when Tank Bixby ends up, you know,
Speaker 5: carrying the load in the backfield. And Brian Thomas is
Speaker 5: having a great rookie year, and Christian Kirk makes an impact,
Speaker 5: but it all starts with Trevor, and a lot of
Speaker 5: it before was Trevor not being consistently accurate, just near
Speaker 5: misses here and near missus. They're a bad pick or
Speaker 5: two in a game. He shook off a bad pick
Speaker 5: in this game because they picked off Jordan Love and
Speaker 5: then he instantly gives the ball right back to them.
Speaker 5: Right he is able to come back from that. They
Speaker 5: didn't have a first down until inside six minutes left
Speaker 5: in the first half. Yeah, and they wake up all
Speaker 5: of a sudden. He leads a touchdown drive, they lead
Speaker 5: a field goal drive. Suddenly they're right back in the game.
Speaker 5: He picks up where he left off in the second half,
Speaker 5: and then they need a touchdown late and he goes
Speaker 5: down the field again. It was frantic, but it was
Speaker 5: kind of electric, Like I love seeing trev cook when
Speaker 5: they didn't have a lot of time and the pressure
Speaker 5: was on because in many situations he's wilted in the past.
Speaker 5: So look, they're still two and six they have a
Speaker 5: long way to go and everything else, But I, for
Speaker 5: the first time in a while, feel kind of good
Speaker 5: about his outlook.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Offensively, sure, but he's having these good games. Then Yeah,
Speaker 1: then the other team scores thirty and it just feels
Speaker 1: like a long march.
Speaker 2: But you never know.
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas was a great first pick, ends up with
Speaker 1: three for sixty and a touchdown. Some outstanding plays within
Speaker 1: there not a lot to feel good about.
Speaker 2: Offensively.
Speaker 1: We will see about Jordan Love and hopefully he can
Speaker 1: get healthy for that Lions game next week. We're just
Speaker 1: getting started here on NFL Daily. Oh, good games to
Speaker 1: start with. Yeah, let's start rolling through that early window
Speaker 1: when Scott Hansen was just like losing his mind.
Speaker 2: We'll hit those games after the break. Cousins works in
Speaker 2: a pistol.
Speaker 7: Here, five claps and he gets a snap. You gonna
Speaker 7: rip it for pants caught Kylen Stride twenty five, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 7: ten five touchdown, The ball got knocked, loosers, pitch broke
Speaker 7: the line. Oh this is close, this is really close.
Speaker 7: They awarded him the touchdown.
Speaker 1: That sigh of relief you heard from Tampa was from
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. It was from West Durham. It was from
Speaker 1: Dave Archer on w zg C. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: forty nine yard touchdown catch where Kyle Pitts looked about
Speaker 1: as fast as we've seen him since his rookie year,
Speaker 1: but he lets up a little.
Speaker 2: Bit at the end and Antoine Winfield he did it again.
Speaker 1: He's he saved the Buccaneers season, I thought last year
Speaker 1: with a play very similar to that against the Panthers
Speaker 1: with about three weeks left of the season got them
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. And I understand why they couldn't overturn
Speaker 1: it because there wasn't a totally clear view. But I
Speaker 1: bet Bucks fans and people that picked him to win
Speaker 1: this game like me, believe he got that ball out
Speaker 1: before they got it over the goal line and just
Speaker 1: couldn't overturn it. The Falcons hang on for a thirty
Speaker 1: one to twenty six victory on a day shook where
Speaker 1: you can just plug it in before the game even starts.
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield ends up with three touchdowns and two interceptions,
Speaker 1: and somehow that's like super flattering to how he actually played. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, you might as well punch it in before
Speaker 1: the game starts too. When he plays Todd Bowles lights
Speaker 1: him up for four touchdowns. Kirk co is on fire
Speaker 1: against this Bucks team.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know what kills me though about the
Speaker 5: Falcons and not to put a damper on a win.
Speaker 5: Nothing is easy with this team. It's a shootout of sorts.
Speaker 5: In the first half, they pull away, it looks like
Speaker 5: they're going to pull away at least, you know, they
Speaker 5: go up by a couple scores, and then they let
Speaker 5: it get close late because Baker does the same thing
Speaker 5: he did a week ago after throwing two picks. Suddenly
Speaker 5: he leads a comeback charge and they're in position to
Speaker 5: potentially tie the game or maybe win the game. This
Speaker 5: time they fall short. But it's just like young way
Speaker 5: Ku miss is a field goal on. I'm just like Falcons,
Speaker 5: come on for once, just make it a little bit easy.
Speaker 5: That doesn't cast any sort of paul over the day
Speaker 5: that Kirk Cousins had because he was excellent for the
Speaker 5: vast majority of it, hooking up a Darnell Mooney for
Speaker 5: a touchdown, Kyle Pitts Bijon Robinson. This offense was humming.
Speaker 5: It's a good win for them in the division. But
Speaker 5: my God, guys, make it a little bit easier on me.
Speaker 5: You know, I already lost my hair. But make it
Speaker 5: a lot easier on me.
Speaker 1: Why just because you're writing it up or whatever and
Speaker 1: you want it to be simple.
Speaker 2: Don't you want good football games? Shook?
Speaker 5: No, I want a good football team to finish strong.
Speaker 2: Are they a good football team?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We'll never know if it keeps. Because I've had the
Speaker 3: same experience Nick did. We're you know, doing all the
Speaker 3: doing all these different games. I look up, Okay, I
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about the falcon all right anymore.
Speaker 3: I can pay attention to the rest of the games.
Speaker 3: Then I look back up and there goes Bucky irving
Speaker 3: on like and it's like, what where? Where's the consistency?
Speaker 3: Like they needed a Jesse Bates incredible interception, uh to
Speaker 3: keep this comeback from from even being more of a comeback.
Speaker 1: Right Ku miss is a kick which he's done in
Speaker 1: big spots a handful of times this year that the
Speaker 1: safety was just a ridiculous play. Baker, I think is
Speaker 1: costing this team. But I'm glad you mentioned Jesse Bates.
Speaker 1: I just think it has to be mentioned. Starts the
Speaker 1: game off with incredible peanut punch and then you know
Speaker 1: caps it late with a beautiful interception. That just aren't
Speaker 1: many safeties doing it like this. This team, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're a good team. They do have a lot
Speaker 1: are really good players, most of them are on offense.
Speaker 1: It's not a good defense. It's the worst pass rush
Speaker 1: in the entire NFL statistically and by the eye test.
Speaker 1: But my god, Jesse Bates is worth like a couple
Speaker 1: wins alone. When when it's Antoine Winfield and Jesse Bates
Speaker 1: going at it, it's like the best safety on safety
Speaker 1: matchup in the NFL.
Speaker 5: Yes, the clash of the safeties, and Baker Mayfield had
Speaker 5: to pay for it a couple of times in this game.
Speaker 5: You know, I do want to talk more about him because, please,
Speaker 5: let's face it, he's he's operating without his top two receivers.
Speaker 5: He's forced to play with the likes of you know,
Speaker 5: Jalen McMillan, and you know, he's throwing his running backs
Speaker 5: a lot, and he's throwing a Trey Palmer and like
Speaker 5: Kate Otten's going off because he's probably his best target.
Speaker 5: He had nine for eighty one and two touchdowns today
Speaker 5: on National tight End Day. It's a shout out to you.
Speaker 1: You got to got to pay a fine for mentioning that.
Speaker 1: So oh no, well fine, I was ready to have
Speaker 1: a pre show meeting and just say that rule, but
Speaker 1: I just figured everyone would understand.
Speaker 2: But thank you too late.
Speaker 5: I'm in jail. I'm in jail. I'm out for the
Speaker 5: just silence me.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: But Baker also like missus, and he doesn't have as
Speaker 5: much of a rapport with guys, and he's you know, energetic,
Speaker 5: aggressive Baker, and he's always going to put his pedal
Speaker 5: to the floor and get after it and it's going
Speaker 5: to cost them. And it's kind of where he's been
Speaker 5: the last couple weeks because you took Mike Evans out
Speaker 5: of the equation and you took Chris Godwin out of
Speaker 5: the equation, and he's operating with less than a full deck.
Speaker 5: So this is kind of the outcome that I think
Speaker 5: Bucks fans are probably gonna want to have to expect
Speaker 5: from this offense for at least the next few weeks,
Speaker 5: if not the rest of the season, and hopefully it
Speaker 5: doesn't produce close losses like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they now have the tie break obviously over the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers and the lead in the division.
Speaker 2: It's a massive win for them.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they can try to figure out their
Speaker 1: weaknesses as they march towards the playoffs, because this is
Speaker 1: an awful division with two of the worst teams in
Speaker 1: the NFL in it, and you've already swept the other
Speaker 1: team that's in the division. I want to watch this
Speaker 1: game closer later. But you know, one of my working
Speaker 1: theories lately is that Baker Mayfield's a problem for this team.
Speaker 2: Wow, Actually everything.
Speaker 5: You live, you live and die by him what it is,
Speaker 5: because he actually had a nice first half until the
Speaker 5: picks started piling up, and you live and die by him.
Speaker 1: But I think I think he's being set up for
Speaker 1: success in a really meaningful way. I think the scheme,
Speaker 1: it's getting guys open. They're protecting him well in the inconsistency,
Speaker 1: and that's just Baker. I guess, like, why would you
Speaker 1: expect it to be different? But don't sell me on
Speaker 1: that it is different. It's right, it's right there on
Speaker 1: the Dalton scale line, except I'd rather have someone like
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, who you kind of know what you're getting,
Speaker 1: versus someone that's like over for a quarter and then
Speaker 1: sinking you for a quarter. Patrick disagrees because he has
Speaker 1: them in the MVP race.
Speaker 4: Still, No, it's just tough.
Speaker 3: It's tough to win those games where you're you're going out,
Speaker 3: and we celebrate right players making plays like Jade Daniels
Speaker 3: did it today or we saw Josh Allen talk about
Speaker 3: him in a little bit. Yeah, and it's just like
Speaker 3: Andy Dalton isn't doing that.
Speaker 5: It's just Andy Dalton.
Speaker 4: Baker's two interceptions that.
Speaker 3: Came today on deep passes, you know, the one that's
Speaker 3: going to Miller, right, it's a whole lot different if
Speaker 3: that's if that's Evans.
Speaker 1: The mist to McMillan. There's just it's just a little scattershot.
Speaker 1: It's a little crazy. Maybe just not my style. Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousin's getting it done. Still, never move in the pocket,
Speaker 1: never having a problem in this division. He's just standing
Speaker 1: firm and he's making a Habit really says something about
Speaker 1: his arm talent and his veteran savvy. He's seen a
Speaker 1: lot and he's he's seeing this Bolls defense. By the way,
Speaker 1: Bulls just driving Bucks fans a little crazy. After the
Speaker 1: game when he's like, hey, it's just the same stuff
Speaker 1: we're always running. It's not basically saying like I'm not
Speaker 1: adding anything fancy that they can't execute. It's just our
Speaker 1: execution because we're running the same stuff that we usually
Speaker 1: do well.
Speaker 2: That's part of the problem.
Speaker 1: You're running the same stuff that you usually do and
Speaker 1: it never works against this team. It's never really working
Speaker 1: this year in general, but it's definitely not working against
Speaker 1: the Falcons. Let's go to New England, where not many
Speaker 1: things were working consistently, but it was pretty fun.
Speaker 4: Smith is in the backfield line up as a fullback.
Speaker 2: Stevens in the jail back. Henry motions left the right
Speaker 2: Prishett hands a Kiver moderiate.
Speaker 13: He runs into the right shock got it pauses ony
Speaker 13: of the episode and.
Speaker 2: The lead touchdown Patriots. It's a big point shot by
Speaker 2: Jacoby Persett. It robers disbeliegue.
Speaker 7: The Jets have choked another game away.
Speaker 2: I want to put that out of the potential cause
Speaker 2: of the year. Choked another gave away. There was twenty
Speaker 2: two seconds left of the game.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of time for Rogers after they kicked the
Speaker 1: touchback to make a couple plays, but he didn't. He
Speaker 1: was up and down all day, Jacoby Pressett was mostly
Speaker 1: just up. That was a big boy drive. That was
Speaker 1: the drive of the Patriots season, seventy yards in twelve
Speaker 1: plays in under three minutes to stick a touchdown on
Speaker 1: the Jets to win the game. They hit the two
Speaker 1: point conversion as well. Yes, Prissette was in the game
Speaker 1: for an injured Drake May who took a hard hit
Speaker 1: to the head and was ruled out with a concussion.
Speaker 1: And I was for Jacobi Brissett as as a Patriots
Speaker 1: fan and as a person because he just seems like
Speaker 1: one of the best dudes possible. Let's actually listen to
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette before we get the conversation started after the
Speaker 1: game on the podium.
Speaker 15: As no redemption. You know, I think this is a
Speaker 15: testament to me believing in myself and not y'all. And
Speaker 15: I'm very aware of that, and you know, I was.
Speaker 15: I was very fortunate that, you know, to have this
Speaker 15: opportunity and to go out there and you know and
Speaker 15: get a win, you know, with our guys. You know,
Speaker 15: it was you know sweet. I mean, you can't put
Speaker 15: it into words, but you know, I'm not trying to
Speaker 15: like be arrogant nothing, but I'm very proud of myself today.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because he wasn't being remotely arrogant, and
Speaker 1: like he's such like a humble, self effacing guy that
Speaker 1: he's even saying, like I'm not trying to be arrogant,
Speaker 1: Like we we are giving you this one.
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissette, this was Patriots super Bowl.
Speaker 1: If you could pick one game on the entire rest
Speaker 1: of the schedule to win, and it might be the
Speaker 1: only win on the entire rest of the schedule, this
Speaker 1: would be the game because you are dragging your rival
Speaker 1: Jets into the Meyer. Except it feels even worse if
Speaker 1: you're you know, the Jets, because the expectations are so
Speaker 1: much higher. They're both two and six. The difference is
Speaker 1: the Patriots feel good about their young quarterback. They're disappointed
Speaker 1: that he got hurt in this game, But for anyone
Speaker 1: that didn't watch this game close, they wouldn't blame you.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of good games in the early
Speaker 2: one dy.
Speaker 1: If you look at Brissett's stat line twenty five or
Speaker 1: fifteen for twenty four one pint thirty two, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like Jacoby at the beginning of the year,
Speaker 1: No zero running game help. Other than that touchdown run,
Speaker 1: they just couldn't get it done. Their running backs went
Speaker 1: twenty five for fifty six in this game. The drops
Speaker 1: were absolutely insane. I counted six to seven drops. Almost
Speaker 1: all of them would have been for first downs. Most
Speaker 1: of them are on really good throws. There was a
Speaker 1: holding penalty that called back one of Brissett's best plays,
Speaker 1: which is forty yards.
Speaker 2: Down the field.
Speaker 1: The drops started with Drake Bay, but they mostly were
Speaker 1: with Jacoby Verssett, and then the throw that Jacoby had
Speaker 1: to Kishon Boody, who's like their best receiver, which is
Speaker 1: hilarious on the final drive came on a blitz where
Speaker 1: he's taking a hit right in the leg as he's
Speaker 1: delivering at thirty four yards downfield. It was a really
Speaker 1: good performance. He gave them mature quarterback play. I think
Speaker 1: Drake May would have done well too. He started off
Speaker 1: the game well because they were getting protected. And if
Speaker 1: you protect your quarterbacks like these two quarterbacks show and
Speaker 1: they can do it. It's a bad sign for the
Speaker 1: Jets though, that they offered so little resistance to this
Speaker 1: passing game.
Speaker 4: Patrick. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Jets also saw the best runner on the day,
Speaker 3: which was Drake may finished up right as the almost
Speaker 3: the leading rusher on how many three for forty six
Speaker 3: on seventeen fewer carries the Monterrey Stevenson three for forty
Speaker 3: six yards and that touchdown that came on the opening drive,
Speaker 3: leading us to the question are the Jets soft now?
Speaker 9: Is?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Is Softgate effectively over?
Speaker 3: Did girod Mayo not make the players sad and they
Speaker 3: and they were all mad and quickly trying? Or was
Speaker 3: that overwrought as Jacoby might have illuminated when he suggested
Speaker 3: that he wasn't listening to those.
Speaker 2: Guys you're saying we soft. We're soft in the media
Speaker 2: for making a big novel.
Speaker 3: Particularly the people in the room that Jacoby Brissett were
Speaker 3: talking to. Perhaps their reaction was a little bit overwrought
Speaker 3: about softness and the soft conversation. Really it comes down
Speaker 3: to the Jets aren't a good football team and the
Speaker 3: Patriots might not be either, but today they were better
Speaker 3: than the Jets.
Speaker 4: They just were.
Speaker 3: And if you look at Aaron Rodgers numbers a decent
Speaker 3: passing passing day seventeen to twenty eight, two thirty three,
Speaker 3: two touchdowns, But it continues to be Aaron having to
Speaker 3: get rid of the ball crazy early in plays, early
Speaker 3: on in the progression, the time to throw. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 3: today thirty five percent of his attempts under two and
Speaker 3: a half seconds.
Speaker 1: Right, and it wasn't getting pressured much. So he's been
Speaker 1: consistent to me in a weird way. He's kind of
Speaker 1: the same guy every week, which is he the throws
Speaker 1: are even either amazing like he spins it, kind of
Speaker 1: like I've been talking about with Kirk Cousins. He had
Speaker 1: some great throws today to Garrett Wilson, goes five for
Speaker 1: one to thirteen. Wilson gets the benefit of not having
Speaker 1: Christian Gonzales on him, so he gets the better match
Speaker 1: up against Marcus Jones. That shows you, Okay, that's the
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams trade helping them out. Or he looks old
Speaker 1: as hell and just not comfortable under pressure, which is
Speaker 1: not the Aaron Rodgers that we know.
Speaker 2: Certainly not moving.
Speaker 1: He's won for four outside the pocket for like no yards,
Speaker 1: and they're just poorly run. It was comical they burned
Speaker 1: three timeouts in the first half because they couldn't get
Speaker 1: the play in on time in the first quarter. They
Speaker 1: had another big one in the second half which ended
Speaker 1: up losing large. They had two delay of games because
Speaker 1: they couldn't get the plays off, including on the two
Speaker 1: point conversion, so they had to go further. That ended
Speaker 1: up being a big moment in this game late in
Speaker 1: the game. So they just look poorly run on offense,
Speaker 1: like disjointed players, not plays, kind of like decent players,
Speaker 1: but not good enough plays. And on defense, they're just
Speaker 1: kind of a bad defense. I think it's been long
Speaker 1: enough to say that they're a below average defense and
Speaker 1: Jeff Ulbrick is zero to three.
Speaker 5: Nick Cook, Yeah, poorly run, which usually points to a
Speaker 5: coach who's about to get fired, except they already fired
Speaker 5: their coach and they demoted their offensive coordinator. You can't
Speaker 5: make any more changes on the staff that are going
Speaker 5: to affect you not being able to get plays in
Speaker 5: and getting you know, operations, penalties. That's already that ship
Speaker 5: has sailed. And at the same time, this is Aaron
Speaker 5: Rodgers not trusting his offensive line, by the way, because
Speaker 5: I think that at this point he's accepted I don't
Speaker 5: have time to throw. I'm not gonna be able to
Speaker 5: sit back there except for maybe three or four times
Speaker 5: a game and actually scan the field. Which then shortens
Speaker 5: your entire offense. He lost the trust in the offensive
Speaker 5: line because they didn't protect him well. Over the first
Speaker 5: six or seven weeks, his average time to throw is
Speaker 5: point two seconds slower than it was the previous four
Speaker 5: seasons he played before he missed all of last season.
Speaker 5: That's according to Next Gen's staff looked that one up
Speaker 5: last week, and that's alarming because what was the strength
Speaker 5: of Aaron Rodgers when he was with the Packers. He
Speaker 5: trusted offensive line, He knew how to navigate the pocket,
Speaker 5: and he would be able to find guys open with
Speaker 5: receivers he trusted. He got a receiver he trusted. He
Speaker 5: still doesn't good to go to him very often. This
Speaker 5: whole offense is limited and shortened by the fact that
Speaker 5: it starts with Rogers, not because he's necessarily playing poorly,
Speaker 5: but because he knows he can't be his full self.
Speaker 5: Oh and by the way, he's forty years old and
Speaker 5: dealing with the pressure of a team that is now
Speaker 5: two and six and seems to be going nowhere, especially
Speaker 5: with the defense. They can't get a stop against the
Speaker 5: freaking Patriots in the final three minutes of a football game.
Speaker 5: That is embarrassing. I don't care how you slice it.
Speaker 5: It's embarrassing. And you know what, one more tip of
Speaker 5: the cap here to Scott Zolek, who a few weeks
Speaker 5: ago was so despondent after their loss to the Dolphins
Speaker 5: that he said, there's gonna be some changes that need
Speaker 5: to be made, and if you don't want to make
Speaker 5: those changes, it's going to be a dark year or
Speaker 5: whatever something along those lines. He got that change at quarterback,
Speaker 5: and then he had to eat his words when the
Speaker 5: other quarterback came in and led him to victory today.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair, I don't know if that's the changes that
Speaker 1: he was looking for, and part of it, you're right,
Speaker 1: And I was really upset about the failure of the
Speaker 1: spotter the game and the failure of the officials, not
Speaker 1: only to call the late hit on a slide to
Speaker 1: the head of Drake.
Speaker 2: May that clearly concustom.
Speaker 1: If you're watching the broadcast copy, you saw in a
Speaker 1: second like his teammates went over to celebrate, and he's
Speaker 1: woozy and like not getting up and he stays in
Speaker 1: for the next play to get sacked. It's just like
Speaker 1: and I saw the Boston Herald Karen Grugian note that
Speaker 1: he only went to the spot er in the tent
Speaker 1: after having a long conversation. No, not with like the
Speaker 1: medical professionals. First with Jacoby Presett. I think Jacoby was
Speaker 1: a dude in that situation. Was like, someone's got to
Speaker 1: go talk to Drake may He doesn't seem right right now.
Speaker 1: Rod Mayo said after the game he wanted to re
Speaker 1: enter the game. Well, thankfully eventually he did get into
Speaker 1: that tent. But I've seen this too often where pretty
Speaker 1: obvious concussions seemed to be happening and the plays just
Speaker 1: continue on. It's disappointing. Let's actually listen to Rogers. You
Speaker 1: mentioned the lack of conference he has in the offensive.
Speaker 1: I think he's just playing like he's not confident in himself,
Speaker 1: Like he's not confident to hold the ball too long,
Speaker 1: because like the Patriots pass rush is terrible and for
Speaker 1: the most part they weren't getting pressures, but a couple
Speaker 1: of times they did get pressures today, he handled it
Speaker 1: very poorly, like he panicked, and he doesn't look like
Speaker 1: a confident player.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 1: He reacted after the game to Jeff Olbrick, saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a dark moment in this season.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I've been in the darkness.
Speaker 2: You got to go in there make peace with it.
Speaker 5: Perfect. No better player to have that question asked.
Speaker 1: It's like almost almost seems like a bit with like
Speaker 1: the shadow over his eyes. If you're watching it on YouTube,
Speaker 1: it's intentionble it is. It is dark times right now.
Speaker 1: Uh in New York, those lights were literally too bright
Speaker 1: for Adam two and six on a day where I
Speaker 1: thought they had a lot of good things, like the
Speaker 1: running backs him so hard. Quinn Williams finally has the
Speaker 1: best game of his uh season. Let's go to Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: where we were gonna find something about about two teams
Speaker 1: who had just been fattening up on some soft opponents.
Speaker 16: Shut up, Hurts looks, he is rolling, he's looking, he's pumping,
Speaker 16: he is going deep downfield, and it is caught Davonte Smith.
Speaker 2: Touchdown football.
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Speaker 1: DeVonta Smith. Sometimes it's about the players, not just the play.
Speaker 1: And look at Jack Stole got a nice block to
Speaker 1: help extend that play for Jalen Hurts, who just says
Speaker 1: hell Devanta's down there somewhere in an unbelievable catch. Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts throws those pretty deep throws and Davante made a
Speaker 1: great catch over the safety for a forty five yard touchdown,
Speaker 1: the most exciting play in what I thought was Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts's best game of the entire season. Not just sixteen
Speaker 1: to twenty through the air for two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: six yards and that touchdown, but ten for thirty seven
Speaker 1: on the ground, three touchdowns, much better in the design
Speaker 1: run game that that three point seven yards per carry
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with, like four push pushes
Speaker 1: in this game, which were mostly effective. You know, you
Speaker 1: see the touchdowns, but they also called some important design
Speaker 1: runs at key moments where he picked up first downs
Speaker 1: or big chunks with his legs, mostly rushing up the
Speaker 1: middle straight ahead like he did in the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two season. Saquon Barkley finishes it out with one hundred
Speaker 1: and eight yards, but they really passed to take the
Speaker 1: lead and then they ran to win, and that's the formula,
Speaker 1: even without some of their offensive linemen. Shook I was
Speaker 1: really impressed with the way they physically held up in
Speaker 1: pass protection. And in the running game, they were just
Speaker 1: tougher than the Bengals today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they started this trend. I think when they
Speaker 5: beat the Giants, I think they found they rediscovered themselves
Speaker 5: offensively when they got aj Brown and DeVonta Smith back,
Speaker 5: and then they've just kind of been building on that
Speaker 5: since then. I think that went over the Giants gave
Speaker 5: them a lot of c confidence that they needed to
Speaker 5: unlock this offense that was recently described by Lane Johnson
Speaker 5: as being constipated. It's not constpated anymore. I don't care
Speaker 5: what brand name lax it if you use, but that
Speaker 5: thing's flowing now. And just look at the score, the
Speaker 5: fact that you put thirty seven points on the board
Speaker 5: and three scores in the fourth quarter. I mean, this
Speaker 5: is an Eagles offensive explosion that we haven't seen since
Speaker 5: I don't know, the first half of last season, if
Speaker 5: not that their Super Bowl run the year before. It's
Speaker 5: been a long time, and I think it goes a
Speaker 5: long way toward your quarterback being comfortable when he puts
Speaker 5: up a stat line like this and then they're able
Speaker 5: to finish the game on the ground running the football.
Speaker 5: I mean that one possession they had to score their
Speaker 5: last touchdown to make it thirty four to seventeen, seven
Speaker 5: and a half minutes, twelve plays, eighty five yards and
Speaker 5: if you look at their possession chart overall, they punted once.
Speaker 2: When was the last time we saw.
Speaker 5: The Eagles be this productive as an offense. It's been
Speaker 5: a long time, So I'm feeling really good about the
Speaker 5: Eagles outlook after a game like this when they moved
Speaker 5: to five and two, and let's not chalk up the
Speaker 5: nfcast being Washington so fast that they keep playing football
Speaker 5: like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I it reminded me a lot of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two because I think the defense that year it was
Speaker 1: compliment football, where the defense really wasn't that great when
Speaker 1: they played top tier opponents. And look, this game started
Speaker 1: with a ten minute drive by the Bengals. There are
Speaker 1: three drives in the first half. They either had touchdowns
Speaker 1: or field goals, or they had a field goal miss,
Speaker 1: and then they had a long touchdown drive to start
Speaker 1: the second half. So the defense was playing like cheeks
Speaker 1: basically through their first four or five possessions, but the
Speaker 1: offense was keeping up and eventually gave them the lead
Speaker 1: and a chance to settle down and at least make
Speaker 1: a couple plays Cooper Desine, Brandon Graham. I think they're
Speaker 1: a better team when they're playing, you know, with the lead,
Speaker 1: because they're a better pass defense and pass rush versus
Speaker 1: like stopping the run.
Speaker 3: And we saw that skill in the secondary, especially both
Speaker 3: rookies like Quinnon Mitchell making several plays down the field
Speaker 3: with Chase. Jamar Chase had nine catches, but they're able
Speaker 3: to keep it to fifty one yards. There was that
Speaker 3: touchdown where Nolan Smith is covering Jamar Chase.
Speaker 4: That's that's never gonna work.
Speaker 2: So it took a while to get there. I give
Speaker 2: him credit, he had him for.
Speaker 3: The first couple of seconds. In fact, I think it
Speaker 3: was Kevin Harlan on the calls like Jamar Chase is covered,
Speaker 3: and then Joe Burrow gives Jamar Chase to go that way.
Speaker 3: That's an edge rsher and it's it's instantly a touchdown there.
Speaker 3: But one of the big plays in the game speaking
Speaker 3: to Jamar Chase was the first guy almost never gets
Speaker 3: Jamar Chase, but Cooper dejen on a fourth and one
Speaker 3: lined up, Jamar Chase was able to get a shot
Speaker 3: on his hip and knock him back, which I think
Speaker 3: could have been a turning point in this game, considering
Speaker 3: that the DeVante Smith touchdown it just happened. There was
Speaker 3: no late toush push touchdowns for Jalen Hurts yet that
Speaker 3: that was a big play in the game.
Speaker 4: And the rookie stuff.
Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, I think Zach Taylor showed something there. He said,
Speaker 1: I don't trust my defense. I don't blame him. I
Speaker 1: think he was feeling the flow of this game that
Speaker 1: they weren't getting stops. It's very out of character for
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor to go for a fourth and one on
Speaker 1: his own side of the field and people kill that play.
Speaker 4: Coff.
Speaker 1: I think it was just it was a good play
Speaker 1: by Cooper. Dezine has played really well the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. There are some good things he did in
Speaker 1: coverage in this game and last week. And the other
Speaker 1: big play defensively for the Eagles in this game was
Speaker 1: the interception by CD Gardner Johnson that was tipped by
Speaker 1: Isaiah Rodgers, who was replacing Darius Slay. So that was
Speaker 1: a good one on one throw where Rodgers really made
Speaker 1: a perfect play and it ends up getting intercepted. I
Speaker 1: know Bengals fans will look at the seventeen points in
Speaker 1: the interception and say, you know, they need more out
Speaker 1: of the offense, and I get it, but it's like
Speaker 1: I mentioned, their first four drives, they had two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: a field goal and a missfield goal before that turnover
Speaker 1: on downs.
Speaker 2: That's not on the offense.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: I know they didn't keep up in what needed to
Speaker 1: be a shootout, but that's a hard way to win.
Speaker 1: It just meant the way the defense was playing today,
Speaker 1: they weren't gonna They weren't gonna win against a real team.
Speaker 1: I think if you look at the pressures, it really
Speaker 1: tells a story. The Bengals had only five pressures the
Speaker 1: whole game, zero quick pressures, whereas the Bengals gave up
Speaker 1: fourteen pressures five quick pressures for the first almost three
Speaker 1: quarters full. I thought Burrow is playing like a perfect game,
Speaker 1: like he was literally playing absolutely perfect. And when that's
Speaker 1: not good enough, three quarters are perfect before things start
Speaker 1: going haywire. It means your defense and the surge that
Speaker 1: you had the last couple of weeks was really about
Speaker 1: playing some bad opponents and that your defense is a problem.
Speaker 1: And at three and five this season right now shook
Speaker 1: as a problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean that's the story of their season, and especially
Speaker 5: the last month or so, is that you've well, actually,
Speaker 5: the whole season, you've been asking your offense to carry you,
Speaker 5: and the last three games they've scored seventeen, twenty one,
Speaker 5: and seventeen points. And if you need your offense to
Speaker 5: carry you, that's not enough to win most football games
Speaker 5: if your defense isn't good enough. And that's just who
Speaker 5: they are right now. I hate to say it because
Speaker 5: we know the potential of their offense, but we've seen
Speaker 5: enough of this defense now to think three to five
Speaker 5: is accurate. That is who this defense is at least,
Speaker 5: and that's probably who this team's going to be unless
Speaker 5: they can explode for points every week, which is just
Speaker 5: not a reliable way to win football games in the NFL.
Speaker 1: This was the worst game of the year. They probably
Speaker 1: should be about four and four with all those tough
Speaker 1: endings that they have, but they are. They are what
Speaker 1: they are, and they were without t Higgins I should
Speaker 1: have mentioned, had a late week practice injury and was
Speaker 1: not in this game. And they just they're a star
Speaker 1: driven team and they need every star on the field,
Speaker 1: and they didn't have a good job by the Eagles
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Speaker 1: And yes, let's go to Seattle where like Bengals Eagles,
Speaker 1: I thought like, this is gonna be one of the
Speaker 1: games of the day between two good teams and it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be one sided.
Speaker 2: And I was wrong.
Speaker 17: Two tight ends set along with Hollins on the left
Speaker 17: Pullman on the right.
Speaker 5: It was the snap handoff goes to Cook right up the.
Speaker 17: Cut and into the end zone for his second rushing
Speaker 17: touchdown of the game, a seven yard touchdown run for
Speaker 17: James Cook and the Bills have turned it into a blowout.
Speaker 1: Brown on WGR wanted that play as the highlight because
Speaker 1: it just really showed how they were getting whatever they wanted.
Speaker 1: They just were kind of taking the Seahawks defense lunch money.
Speaker 1: Thirty one to ten the Bill's win in Seattle, and
Speaker 1: you can point towards the self inflicted mistakes. The Seahawks
Speaker 1: have their center, you know, snaps one over Gino's head
Speaker 1: and then he steps on Geno's foot on the next
Speaker 1: time they're on the goal line. But I don't think
Speaker 1: it would have mattered. At one point in this game,
Speaker 1: the yardage was four hundred and sixteen to one forty one.
Speaker 2: I mean, if finishes four forty five.
Speaker 1: To two thirty three, like the Seahawks couldn't get a
Speaker 1: running game going at all, one point three yards per
Speaker 1: carry for Kenneth Walker, Zach Charbonnay goes negative. Meanwhile, you
Speaker 1: got James Cook running for one hundred and eleven, you
Speaker 1: got Ray Davis going for five yards per carry, Like
Speaker 1: this was gonna be a one sided Bill's victory. I
Speaker 1: think no matter what happened, Patrick, I know it would
Speaker 1: have been closer obviously, like if you get a com
Speaker 1: point fourteen points is what I mean at point. What
Speaker 1: I mean is that when Seattle had the ball, okay,
Speaker 1: there was some back and forth, right when Buffalo had
Speaker 1: the ball, there was no back and forth.
Speaker 2: It was just fourth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was no opposition.
Speaker 1: So based on that, if that's the case for sixty
Speaker 1: minutes it never stopped, then eventually that team will win,
Speaker 1: and maybe it would have been more entertaining and it
Speaker 1: would have been thirty one to twenty one or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: But you're probably gonna lose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were, and there was Josh job did get
Speaker 3: the first interception thrown by Josh Allen. Of other than
Speaker 3: that that that might have been the highlight for the
Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks on the day, who really couldn't do anything.
Speaker 3: There was no dk Metcalf in this game to kind
Speaker 3: of threaten that Bill's secondary And it was something that
Speaker 3: I thought coming into the game where the Seahawks defense
Speaker 3: really got healthy shook going up against a quarterback that
Speaker 3: couldn't move and Kirk Cousins and this is this is
Speaker 3: not Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4: This is matter as far as a.
Speaker 3: Golf athletically from post Achilles Kirk Cousins to Josh Allen
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four as you.
Speaker 4: Could possibly go. And the results were pretty obvious today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Greg has made the point many times
Speaker 5: on this show, which is that Josh Allen is the
Speaker 5: most valuable runner in the NFL. And he was an
Speaker 5: a valuable runner, you know, in most situations, or as
Speaker 5: a scrambler, as a guy who extends plays as a
Speaker 5: quarterback and finds guys open and throws a ball a
Speaker 5: yard away from the sideline. They didn't need any of
Speaker 5: that because they won the battle up front. That's the
Speaker 5: only way to explain how you outgain a team four
Speaker 5: forty five to two thirty three and you win the
Speaker 5: time possession battle by sixteen minutes. Okay, you dominated them.
Speaker 5: They stuffed them in a locker. You want to talk
Speaker 5: about taking lunch money, They stuffed them in a locker
Speaker 5: in their place. Sure it was thirty one to ten
Speaker 5: by the look of it, though it could have been
Speaker 5: even more. Sure the turnovers played a part in it.
Speaker 5: But the Bills just went on the road. They flew
Speaker 5: all the way across the country, and they made a
Speaker 5: statement with a win, which just speaks to how unpredictable
Speaker 5: this league is. Because the Seahawks just came off of
Speaker 5: a resounding victory on the road in Atlanta. They come
Speaker 5: back home, they're all geared up and ready to play
Speaker 5: the Bills, and they come away just getting you know,
Speaker 5: kind of dominated at home and really tough for them.
Speaker 1: Right, The Seahawks defense has had so many terrible games
Speaker 1: this year, and you know they're coming off a game
Speaker 1: where they got healthy, literally like just their better players
Speaker 1: are on the field and they perform well in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: but this is a big step back. There's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of questions. They did not have a quarterback
Speaker 1: hit today, and then they had the rare stat line
Speaker 1: where they got a team sack, which I'm trying to
Speaker 1: remember that play, but Josh Allen must have just run
Speaker 1: out of bounds at some point and they're not. They
Speaker 1: decided not to give anyone credit for that sack, and
Speaker 1: so that that's just a day where look, Gino Smith
Speaker 1: was facing pressure usually up the middle, like Connor Williams
Speaker 1: had a bad day, but nothing really was was working
Speaker 1: for this Seattle defense. They have the Rams next week.
Speaker 1: They're four and four the Seahawks. Okay, the Cardinals are
Speaker 1: four and four. The Rams are at three and four.
Speaker 1: This division is just getting started. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a mess, and I would just would be, you know, hesitating,
Speaker 1: because I follow a lot of Seahawks fans of like,
Speaker 1: you know, just let.
Speaker 2: It play out a little bit.
Speaker 1: The season is not over that this It is ugly,
Speaker 1: but one of these teams in the NFC West. I
Speaker 1: believe we'll figure things out at some point as we
Speaker 1: get closer to Thanksgiving in December, Seattle has a good
Speaker 1: basis to start with with their passing game, but everything
Speaker 1: else kind of needs work. The running game is just
Speaker 1: County on Ken Walker to make people miss, and the defense.
Speaker 2: You know, we've been over their issues.
Speaker 3: And again they the big mistakes were so big that
Speaker 3: it's it's tough to get a full evaluation of a
Speaker 3: lot of things, especially offensively. I know the metcalf being
Speaker 3: missing is kind of glaring, but they're like Kenneth Walker
Speaker 3: will turn a negative run into a positive. Will also
Speaker 3: sometimes go on little adventures as he did today on
Speaker 3: the on the bad snap where he's picking it up,
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if he's going to try to throw the
Speaker 3: ball away instead. You know, it's a it's a massive loss.
Speaker 3: They go from first and goal to second and goal
Speaker 3: from the twenty six. It was just it was a
Speaker 3: very bad game from the Seahawks. But as you mentioned,
Speaker 3: they're not out of it in the division. Like if
Speaker 3: you are looking at who has what to be upset
Speaker 3: about and who has what to feel good about, you
Speaker 3: can make a case that Seattle could have more to
Speaker 3: feel good good about them than almost anyone other than
Speaker 3: the Rams.
Speaker 4: Getting everybody back and getting that win on Thursday, and think.
Speaker 1: The Rams are feeling excited, the Bills are feeling good
Speaker 1: about it because the rest of the NFC East, I mean,
Speaker 1: the AFC East is absolutely collapsing. They're six and two. Eric,
Speaker 1: my Super Bowl pick is looking good. You got your
Speaker 1: Dodgers rolling, you got your Bills rolling. Shakier goes nine
Speaker 1: for one oh seven. Tom Brady was loving him, Khalil Shakir.
Speaker 1: He was saying it reminded him of like a young
Speaker 1: Danny am Mondola or Julian Edelvis. I'll say he's closer,
Speaker 1: coming closer to Edelman than Amon Doola. What do you
Speaker 1: think he's sprit when he catches the ball, his feet
Speaker 1: or moving. No touchdowns today, but I felt like every
Speaker 1: other play was going to him, and he he has
Speaker 1: the ball, he's he's not looking to go down. It's
Speaker 1: great they I love that they were very targeted because
Speaker 1: the middle of the field of the Seahawks defense is
Speaker 1: absolutely the weakness. They just traded for Ernest Jones, but
Speaker 1: that's where they were targeting. Ken Coleman goes five for seventy.
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper only has one catch for three yards on
Speaker 1: two targets, who knows, but the other wide receivers are
Speaker 1: eating more now that Amari Cooper is in the building.
Speaker 1: The running game has been pretty good all year. And yeah,
Speaker 1: the defense also just it's complete, it's healthier than it's been.
Speaker 1: The Bills are absolutely a Super Bowl contender. Let's take
Speaker 1: another break, and yeah, we'll start after the break with
Speaker 1: the favorite still for the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I guess they're just always the.
Speaker 3: Fat always shout out the Khalil secure for breaking the barrier.
Speaker 14: FIO three left in the game, Raiders are out of timeouts,
Speaker 14: second in goal to go.
Speaker 2: For the Chiefs with them nine sprint left action wide.
Speaker 18: Open, left side top Worthy left front, Thilan.
Speaker 4: Touchdown chains city Exavi.
Speaker 17: You are Worthy back into the end zone for the
Speaker 17: third time on a reception, fifth time in his rookie year, and.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs up blowing it open but two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: That was Zavia Worthy nine yards score WDAF Mitch Holtis
Speaker 1: on the call, Stop me if you've heard this one before.
Speaker 2: Some of the game is a little ugly for the
Speaker 2: Chiefs offense.
Speaker 1: They wind up with a big play late they win
Speaker 1: by one score.
Speaker 2: We move on, Nick Suck. What was different about this
Speaker 2: Chief's victory? Over the Raiders.
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes threw a couple of touchdown passes. That's the
Speaker 5: first thing that was different. So all of you who
Speaker 5: want to get on my Twitter mentions after the next
Speaker 5: qv Index drops and says, how is Mahomes in the
Speaker 5: top two? He's had a terrible year. Watch this game
Speaker 5: much like every other game, because the guy just creates.
Speaker 5: When things are breaking down, he extends plays, he keeps
Speaker 5: drives moving and that's what he did again today. Couple
Speaker 5: that with a strong defense and this is the performance
Speaker 5: you get. And this happened after Mahomes had his hand
Speaker 5: hit on a throw out of the end zone and
Speaker 5: it was picked off and had the ball inside Kansas
Speaker 5: City's ten and they got nothing out of it. Because
Speaker 5: of that, Chiefs defense stood them up on the goal
Speaker 5: line on four downs and got the ball right back
Speaker 5: in Patrick Mahomes's hands and they end up coming away
Speaker 5: with a victory. That's twenty seven to twenty in the final.
Speaker 5: But the Raiders did score a touchdown in the last
Speaker 5: two minutes before they couldn't get the ball back, so
Speaker 5: you could kind of talk about it as twenty seven
Speaker 5: to thirteen. Chiefs turned defeated it's not pretty, but they're
Speaker 5: a damn good football team.
Speaker 3: A good football team that saw a solid Gardner Minshew
Speaker 3: game twenty four to thirty two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: The raid that's tired for Patrick to say, I mean
Speaker 1: that's through gritted teeth.
Speaker 3: No, I say it with a smile in my heart
Speaker 3: for Gardner Minshew because apparently Jacobe Myers was the missing
Speaker 3: piece to this offense. Because Jacoby Myers comes back, he
Speaker 3: has seven targets, six catches, fifty two yards and a touchdown.
Speaker 3: They got Trey Tucker involved as well. Alexander Madison did
Speaker 3: nothing in the ground game. They got that opportunity and
Speaker 3: Madison gets stopped and the Raiders elect to go for
Speaker 3: it on fourth down.
Speaker 4: Could have cut it to a one point.
Speaker 2: I think that's the at this point.
Speaker 1: You got to get touchdowns, right, Yeah, you don't have
Speaker 1: the players are necessarily play cause but what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do?
Speaker 2: You gotta try to.
Speaker 5: Are you gonna ram are you gonna ram Madison up
Speaker 5: into the goal line? Like three times?
Speaker 4: You take it?
Speaker 2: Do you take a field goal?
Speaker 3: You're saying yeah, or you could take a field goal
Speaker 3: or but ultimately the rollout for Gardner Minshew, the Chiefs
Speaker 3: were all over that Drew Drew Trenkle with submarining plays
Speaker 3: for most of the game until he left the game
Speaker 3: in the late in the fourth quarter, uh with an injury.
Speaker 3: But it's there were so many opportunities, and you just
Speaker 3: you think that the Raiders team could have pulled this off,
Speaker 3: just like they not necessarily the way that they did
Speaker 3: December of last year, which was a defensive festival and
Speaker 3: Jack Jones is picking off Patrick Mahomes and Amo Connell's
Speaker 3: doing absolutely nothing. This was a completely different game. They
Speaker 3: were still in it, They had an on side kick
Speaker 3: opportunity that almost bounced their way, could have.
Speaker 4: You know, could have been a hil Mary situation for
Speaker 4: Gardner Minshew coming. But again it's all hypothetical.
Speaker 1: Wow, I don't think it would have been quite as like, no,
Speaker 1: you know beautiful.
Speaker 3: The arc of the ball would not have been as majestic,
Speaker 3: and probably the celebration wouldn't have been as raucous with
Speaker 3: maybe a fifty to fifty crowd right in Las Vegas today.
Speaker 3: But the Chiefs, you know, you said it, shok, They're
Speaker 3: inevitable and the best Kelsey game that he's had all season,
Speaker 3: ninety yards receiving in a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ten for ninety for Kelsey. That's awesome in a
Speaker 1: touch and was moving. Well, it's crazy that the Raiders
Speaker 1: had thirty three yards rushing and seven of those is
Speaker 1: like on a Trey Tucker and around. It just gets
Speaker 1: me to the point of, like, the Chiefs have so
Speaker 1: many good players. They're just so deep for such a
Speaker 1: team with like guys getting paid huge bucks. Ten different
Speaker 1: players had a quarterback pressure in this game on the
Speaker 1: Chiefs defense, So they're just so deep defensively, And yeah, offensively,
Speaker 1: it's not as talented, but the offensive line is deep
Speaker 1: and you have enough guys including now DeAndre Hopkins that
Speaker 1: can catch passes from Mahomes. What was the offensive report
Speaker 1: from you shook throughout this game?
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, offensively, not as talented, but schemed by one
Speaker 5: of the masters of offense and Andy Reid. And that's
Speaker 5: the most important part with this team because it's being
Speaker 5: operated by an elite quarterback. Now, the rest of the
Speaker 5: pieces around him, Sure, if they were great, they would
Speaker 5: be elevating the offense that he putting up a ton
Speaker 5: of points like they did four or five years ago,
Speaker 5: but it really doesn't matter all that matters is that
Speaker 5: they continue to move the chains. I mean, Kareem Hunt
Speaker 5: goes for two point eight yards per carry, and he
Speaker 5: kind of visually looked like he made a nice impact
Speaker 5: because he's running hard and he scored a touchdown. But
Speaker 5: it all starts with Mahomes and as long as they
Speaker 5: have him and they protect him well enough to at
Speaker 5: least allow him to buy time and get out of
Speaker 5: the pocket. I mean, there were so many times where
Speaker 5: I would go from one game to the next and
Speaker 5: it'd be third down and Mahomes would just bounce out
Speaker 5: of the pocket. He'd be scrambling and he'd find somebody
Speaker 5: six yards away for a first down. Just over and
Speaker 5: over and over again. Their paper cutting teams to death.
Speaker 5: And it's got to be miserable if you're a fan
Speaker 5: of the opposing defense to watch this every day. But
Speaker 5: it's really a work of art when you watch it
Speaker 5: from mahomes perspective, because we know what he could be
Speaker 5: when he's putting up these gaudy numbers. Now he's not
Speaker 5: doing that, and they're still winning football games. And a
Speaker 5: lot of it, almost all of it has to do
Speaker 5: at least offensively with him.
Speaker 1: A lot of teams that feel like you can stick
Speaker 1: a fork in him this year. I mean the Raiders
Speaker 1: are certainly one of them. At two and six. There
Speaker 1: are six teams in the AFC that have six losses.
Speaker 1: The Titans are one and six, the rest are two
Speaker 1: and six. A lot of teams just like without a
Speaker 1: lot of hope. Before Halloween, We're gonna talk about another
Speaker 1: one of them that traveled across the country to play
Speaker 1: across the sidewalk in Sofi Stadium.
Speaker 4: Second and ten.
Speaker 10: Here Herbert to throw and lobs at downfield for mccakee.
Speaker 10: Car mccackey right sideline defender falls to the twenty turn
Speaker 10: on the Jets, Lad to the fifteen to the ten
Speaker 10: upfield into the episode bad Lad touchdown Solgers fifteen is
Speaker 10: a magic number.
Speaker 4: Lad mcconkee makes it fifteen to five.
Speaker 1: I love that. Lad mcconkee's got his own touchdown. Call
Speaker 1: Matt money Smith our friend, I'm k y s are
Speaker 1: Wekaki added another touchdown later in the game. He ends
Speaker 1: up six for one to eleven and two scores.
Speaker 4: Hopefully receiver one this week.
Speaker 2: Hope you picked him up in your fantasy league.
Speaker 1: I saw him out there on some waiver wires twenty
Speaker 1: six to eight. The Chargers get it done in the
Speaker 1: most twenty twenty four Jim Harbaugh Charger way possible. He's
Speaker 1: kind of grinding their opponent to a pulp. And yeah,
Speaker 1: the Saint's fault of two and six in the most
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Saints way possible.
Speaker 2: Not a lot of hope, not a lot of highlights.
Speaker 2: One of the worst.
Speaker 1: Teams in the NFL, but let's give some flowers. Nick
Speaker 1: Shook to what I really respect out of the Chargers
Speaker 1: this year is that they're just like a professional outfit
Speaker 1: that wins games they should. Which when's the last time
Speaker 1: you could say that about a Chargers outfit?
Speaker 2: You're thinking about their losses. I'm not.
Speaker 5: I I was thinking about last week.
Speaker 16: I know.
Speaker 1: But to me, that's like two evenish teams when they've
Speaker 1: been in a situation where it's just like you should
Speaker 1: take care of business against a bad offense. It's like
Speaker 1: they just take care of business and swat the other
Speaker 1: one away. There's gotta be a coin flip games. They're
Speaker 1: not like a super Bowl champion team.
Speaker 5: Sorry, no, I know, I know. I just was like,
Speaker 5: we just talked about that last week.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: Look, there's a reason that the verb chargering exists and
Speaker 5: this is not that team. So hats off to you
Speaker 5: Chargers fans. Congrats. You have a professional outfit. As Greg
Speaker 5: just described, what you have is a quarterback who's got
Speaker 5: a swagger back in Justin Herbert. He threw a touchdown
Speaker 5: pass to Lad mccackey in the fourth quarter of this game,
Speaker 5: and then he started doing a little head nod and
Speaker 5: I was like, I haven't seen that demonstrative version of
Speaker 5: Herbert in probably two to three years. Like he's feeling himself.
Speaker 5: And a big reason why is because he knows he's
Speaker 5: got at least one guy he can trust, and it's
Speaker 5: the rookie with the last name mccaukey, who, like we said,
Speaker 5: six for one eleven and two touchdowns. How about this, He,
Speaker 5: according to Next Gen Stats, caught all three of his
Speaker 5: targets out of the slot for eighty four yards and
Speaker 5: two touchdowns. And they can move him around, he can
Speaker 5: make a difference. He's a reliable guy, which is what
Speaker 5: they've been missing, especially since Keenan Allen and Mike Williams
Speaker 5: left in the offseason. So another strong from Herbert. He
Speaker 5: got busy on the ground. They got a little bit
Speaker 5: from JK. Dobbins. It was just enough, and they played
Speaker 5: good defense. Physical defense. That's the most important part. Physical
Speaker 5: defense against a Saints team that can't protect their quarterback.
Speaker 5: And they also didn't have a quarterback who's really equipped
Speaker 5: to handle the speed or the responsibilities of being a
Speaker 5: starting NFL quarterback. Right now, They're in a bad spot offensively,
Speaker 5: no matter whether it's Jake Hayner who replaced Spencer Ratler
Speaker 5: just pulled you know, Rattler for Haner. He didn't do
Speaker 5: much better statistically, they were almost even. They both get
Speaker 5: the ball out and sometimes they don't know where it's going,
Speaker 5: and that's how you end up with eight points as
Speaker 5: an offense, as the Saints did today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some high throws as well.
Speaker 3: Kind of wasted a solid effort because Alvin Kamara made
Speaker 3: some plays today that were in a close game that
Speaker 3: could have ultimately been the difference, but the Saints couldn't
Speaker 3: get a lot of production on the offense.
Speaker 4: Good to have Crystal Lovely back. They almost lost him again.
Speaker 3: He had to go in to be evaluated for a
Speaker 3: concussion on a similar looking play to the one that
Speaker 3: he got hurt where he kind of gets sent on
Speaker 3: a mission and blasted.
Speaker 1: Rattler has thrown some I like Rattler, but he's thrown
Speaker 1: hospital balls at a higher clip than any quarterback I've
Speaker 1: ever seen.
Speaker 3: And so like, thankfully chrys Olave is able to come
Speaker 3: back into the game. I don't know who has high
Speaker 3: hopes for MVS coming in and replacing what sh Rashid
Speaker 3: Shaida had to offer, but I guess I got news
Speaker 3: for them if they missed the last five or six
Speaker 3: years of professional football. But my big takeaway because there
Speaker 3: was a play in this game where Justin Herbert had
Speaker 3: to throw late. Shepherd for the Saints is twisting his
Speaker 3: leg low, oh yeah, and Bradley Boseman immediately like this
Speaker 3: isn't like a post twist reaction like immediately pounces on Shepherd.
Speaker 4: Flags are thrown.
Speaker 3: But it showed to me like this, it kind of
Speaker 3: symbolized what a healthy Herbo means to this team and
Speaker 3: especially to this offensive line, because they're nothing without him
Speaker 3: and for him to and he goes off and has
Speaker 3: a huge run immediately after that. I mean, Justin Herbert
Speaker 3: averge twelve yards a carry in this game. He's doing
Speaker 3: everything and really didn't even need to do it against
Speaker 3: the listless Saints offense that really had nothing to offer today.
Speaker 1: I think he's been one of the best quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the league since the bye, So that's only three weeks,
Speaker 1: but if the QB Index started in Week six whatever
Speaker 1: it was after their by we're just talking last three
Speaker 1: weeks of the season, he's top five, top seven, like
Speaker 1: whatever it is. He's playing at a very very high level.
Speaker 1: You know, his teammates didn't help him out last week,
Speaker 1: but you see the athleticism, you see the arm, and
Speaker 1: you start to believe in this lousy AFC that they
Speaker 1: got a shot, certainly to sneak into the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean at four and three, they're in a situation
Speaker 5: where they could definitely if they continue to pile these
Speaker 5: wins up. The thing is is like the eye test,
Speaker 5: you're gonna think, uh, they don't look like an impressive team,
Speaker 5: but they're a physical team with a good quarterback who's
Speaker 5: got a lot of arm talent and is able to
Speaker 5: when he's healthy, really handle the job very well. And
Speaker 5: I think that goes a long way, because if you
Speaker 5: can win at the point of attack and if you
Speaker 5: can get your ground game going, here and there. As
Speaker 5: long as you have that quarterback, you're gonna be in
Speaker 5: most games. It's this is not a litmus test against
Speaker 5: these Sames. They're definitely not a measuring stick. But if
Speaker 5: you can those are your staples. Those are a calling cards.
Speaker 5: Is physical defense, really good quarterback receivers that are starting
Speaker 5: to come into their own. Jalen Reager made a nice
Speaker 5: catch down the sideline. You don't expect a lot from him,
Speaker 5: but he made a nice play and I was like,
Speaker 5: all right, you didn't fumble at this time. That's a
Speaker 5: good step forward. Then you're gonna be in the mix.
Speaker 5: So there are at least a team that I can
Speaker 5: respect and watch every week and not think like, oh,
Speaker 5: they're going to blow it.
Speaker 1: You have six respect, Yes, Josh Balmer with a forty
Speaker 1: five yard or a twenty seven yard They are playing
Speaker 1: kind of that old school in Theory Harbaugh type of
Speaker 1: football where it's the running game needs to be better
Speaker 1: for really to make sense, but that the passing game
Speaker 1: does have shot plays and that's I think you need
Speaker 1: that to take advantage of who Herbert is. It's a
Speaker 1: low moment for the Saints in a season full of
Speaker 1: them Marshall Lattimore leaves with an injury. You wonder if
Speaker 1: that's his last snap as a Saint. Would not be
Speaker 1: surprised if he's traded before the deadline. Depends how serious
Speaker 1: I suppose that the injury is. Kamara goes for one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty two yards from scrimmage, but you know
Speaker 1: there's not much pressure there. Joey Bosa came back for
Speaker 1: this game. Joe Alt the right tackle for the Chargers,
Speaker 1: had more pass sets without giving up a pressure than
Speaker 1: any rookie I think ever, or in any game according
Speaker 1: to Next Gen stat So he had a really strong game.
Speaker 1: But that also speaks to the lack of a pass
Speaker 1: rush that the Saints have. They don't really do anything.
Speaker 14: Well.
Speaker 1: They'll get Derek Carr back next week. I heard Mickey
Speaker 1: Loomis on Saints Radio this week talk about the rest
Speaker 1: of the season and say, like, yeah, we're not giving it,
Speaker 1: Like we look at our schedule and we don't see
Speaker 1: a team on there that we can't beat. I guess fair,
Speaker 1: but there's also not a team on that schedule that
Speaker 1: you can't lose to.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the next one.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some Broncos let's talk about some Panthers.
Speaker 2: Man. This NFC South is.
Speaker 7: Tough bele outside of Mems in a slot left double
Speaker 7: tight end set with Atkins and Troutman in a wing
Speaker 7: right shotgunsnap, Nicks looks left floats.
Speaker 4: One of the anzoni was Troutman Trubbin one hand and
Speaker 4: touch touchdown Denver nineteen yard strike bow Knicks.
Speaker 7: To Adam Trutman who snagged him with one hands.
Speaker 1: Dave Logan on k o a Broncos beating him down
Speaker 1: covering that big spread twenty eight to fourteen. Bryce Young
Speaker 1: comes back in, gives him a little spark at first,
Speaker 1: it doesn't flast. Bo Nicks throws for three touchdowns two
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four yards through the air, and the
Speaker 1: Broncos go to five and three.
Speaker 2: Are you believing Patrick.
Speaker 3: I'm believing that they have a good defense, they that
Speaker 3: pass defense that I'm glad that they have Patrick's with tanback,
Speaker 3: they picked off Bryce Young twice.
Speaker 4: Bryce Young, those two touchdown passes.
Speaker 3: Which is more that Andy Dalton had in the previous
Speaker 3: three games, are combined, but.
Speaker 2: It's one was with eighteen seconds left.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 3: Garbage still counts, especially especially fantasy.
Speaker 4: Was I don't know who's starting.
Speaker 2: Bryce shot to you or Jalenkolker. Is that his name?
Speaker 2: It's Jay Cocher.
Speaker 3: I think it's well, there was because there was no
Speaker 3: Adam Thielen. Of course, Xavier Laguet, who scores a touchdown
Speaker 3: in this game, leaves as well. That was the state
Speaker 3: of the Panthers receiving corps because you know there was
Speaker 3: no Deontae Johnson coming into this game as well. But
Speaker 3: over on the other side, it was twenty eight to fourteen.
Speaker 3: You mentioned the spread being covered. It could have been
Speaker 3: worse because Sean Payton when it was twenty eight to seven,
Speaker 3: had a fake field goal attempt. Courtland Sutton on fourth
Speaker 3: and one threw a wide receiver pass when it was
Speaker 3: twenty eight to fourteen late in this game, Sean Payton apparently.
Speaker 3: I was trying to mind Twitter for resources, like, what
Speaker 3: did the Panthers do to Sean Payton?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: I guess they didn't interview him, which is interesting because
Speaker 3: there was a plan for him to go to Miami anyway.
Speaker 4: I just everything is very confusing.
Speaker 1: That might be that's a guess. I'm not I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, as Vicey though, as the
Speaker 1: host of NFL Daily, we are not fully attributing the
Speaker 1: reason for going for that trick play to the Panthers,
Speaker 1: not giving Sean Payton an interview. It's a good theory,
Speaker 1: It's an interesting theory. But I do feel like there
Speaker 1: has to be something going on there. But I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is.
Speaker 3: It could have been Dave Canalis with a funny look
Speaker 3: at the coaching something. I have no idea, But Sean
Speaker 3: Payton was doing everything he could to pour it on
Speaker 3: for some reason.
Speaker 1: Against He just wanted me to feel alive on a
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 2: He just wants to have some fun. Life is short.
Speaker 1: It's fine, go for trick play, is up, big scores,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I think it's great.
Speaker 5: I feel like I feel like he's been coaching this
Speaker 5: whole season just to like prove a point, and like
Speaker 5: week by week, as they start to stack wins with
Speaker 5: this good defense, he like gets more invigorated and he's
Speaker 5: got more gusto to him and he's just like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know what, this week, I'm trying a fake field
Speaker 5: goal because why not. We're up by three touchdowns. No
Speaker 5: better time than now to test it. Out in a
Speaker 5: game against the team we know we're already gonna beat.
Speaker 5: Let's do it now. But yeah, you're right, Patrick, Like
Speaker 5: I don't. I can't get a solid read on bo
Speaker 5: Nicks because Bonix himself doesn't have like a consistent performance
Speaker 5: over four quarters. But this game pretty solid. They also
Speaker 5: jumped out to a twenty eight to seven lead, so
Speaker 5: you didn't really need to see him tested over four quarters.
Speaker 5: But I mean, anytime that you throw for you know,
Speaker 5: two or eighty four yards and three touchdowns and you
Speaker 5: beat you know, the lowly Panthers, what's a good day.
Speaker 5: And they're five and three, and because of that defense,
Speaker 5: we have to take them seriously and we'll see how
Speaker 5: they go offensively well.
Speaker 1: The first two drives though, end with a fumble by
Speaker 1: little Jordan Humphrey and then a punt and so you're
Speaker 1: you're down seven to nothing. That's a little bit of
Speaker 1: adversity going into the second quarter. And then to get
Speaker 1: touchdowns on three straight drives, it's I think it's a
Speaker 1: good step. I think bo Nicks has shown progress. Now
Speaker 1: he was starting at the very bottom, but he's shown progress,
Speaker 1: and we'll see, like it's still at a level where
Speaker 1: if they're playing a quality defense, major questions, but there's
Speaker 1: only so many of those, Like on the schedule. The
Speaker 1: Broncos have one of the few defenses in the entire
Speaker 1: NFL that you're like, that's a difference making week to
Speaker 1: week defense. There's a lot of bad defenses out there,
Speaker 1: not any as bad as the Panthers necessarily, but if
Speaker 1: Bonnicks can just be solid against like bad defenses, they
Speaker 1: could win a decent amount of games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in eight to thirty seven to eighty four three touchdowns.
Speaker 3: My concern would be Javante only having forty four yards
Speaker 3: on seventeen carries against this particular Panthers defense. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: maybe a sign of concern for the run game where
Speaker 3: that's that may be the frustration not getting things done
Speaker 3: there maybe results in Sean Payton taking shots late to
Speaker 3: try to make the scoreboard look like he feels it
Speaker 3: should look considering the mismatch of the teams on the field.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Courtland Sutton didn't get a target last week,
Speaker 1: He almost knew he was gonna go for a big
Speaker 1: game this week. Eleven targets, one hundred yards, eight catches,
Speaker 1: and shout out to Adam troutman, a man who when
Speaker 1: they brought him to Denver, I said, man, Sean Payton
Speaker 1: just will take any old old like x Saint, like
Speaker 1: they traded for him. Saints fans are like really, and
Speaker 1: here he is with like a big game, a great
Speaker 1: catch eighty five yards and a touchdown. All right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna say goodbye to our good friend Patrick. I've enjoyed
Speaker 1: doing this program with you.
Speaker 3: I've enjoyed it as well. I wish my football team
Speaker 3: would have won.
Speaker 1: They did not, but I still think they're in charge
Speaker 1: of that AFC North. We'll see Steelers on Monday night.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw to the Arizona Cardinals and the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. Cam Wolf is gonna join us see in
Speaker 1: here Cam from Miami, and then we're gonna hear from
Speaker 1: Kevin Patra on the other side of the break, and
Speaker 1: Shookie can rejoin me for the Sunday night football recap.
Speaker 2: I'll see you then, Nikki.
Speaker 1: Now, gool chairs baby, that's right now, to Arizona and
Speaker 1: the Dolphins in South Beach.
Speaker 7: One second left, Cardinals down to thirty four yard try,
Speaker 7: snap ball down, The kick from Ryland is up and
Speaker 7: the kick is.
Speaker 13: Good.
Speaker 2: And the Cardinals win it. The officials took a.
Speaker 7: Long time to signal the kick is good from Ryland,
Speaker 7: and Arizona wins it at the buzzer again twenty eight,
Speaker 7: twenty seven in Miami.
Speaker 1: That was Chad Ryland thirty four yard field goal Dave
Speaker 1: pash on Cam VP. Cardinals get the upset win in
Speaker 1: Miami twenty eight to twenty seven. Chad Ryland ghost for
Speaker 1: being one of the worst drafted kickers in memory in
Speaker 1: New England last year helped end Bill Belichick's career to
Speaker 1: a guy who's kicking clutch kicks week after week, including
Speaker 1: I think a fifty seven yarder in this win. And
Speaker 1: I am so excited for the first time here on
Speaker 1: NFL Daily to be welcoming in a man who was
Speaker 1: at this game in the locker rooms, on the field,
Speaker 1: Cam Wolf, you watched it up close.
Speaker 2: Not the game we expected, was it?
Speaker 18: No? Not at all.
Speaker 13: The Cardinals had plans to ruin the feel good movie story,
Speaker 13: which it kind of felt like it was saiding up
Speaker 13: for you know two was returning after this concussion that
Speaker 13: everyone or a lot of people think he should retire from.
Speaker 13: And you know all his team Sames thinks it's going
Speaker 13: to galvanize them and save the team after a two
Speaker 13: and four start, and you forget the quarterback wasn't the
Speaker 13: only problem.
Speaker 18: And you know.
Speaker 13: Arizona came to play. Kyler had an amazing game. Marv
Speaker 13: Harrison and him finally got connected. I know that was
Speaker 13: a question mark for a lot of people, and Trey
Speaker 13: McBride had an amazing day. But really, to me, the
Speaker 13: story is the Dolphins and just more disappointment. Yeah, this
Speaker 13: that had huge expectations and now at two and five
Speaker 13: we're wondering has it already crumbled?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Two and five.
Speaker 1: You know it's not a death sentence, but it's a
Speaker 1: huge setback. And Cardinals fans will give you some love.
Speaker 1: You're at four and four. You're in the mix. This
Speaker 1: NFC West race is going to take to the end. Look, hell,
Speaker 1: you're in first place right now. So Cardinals will get
Speaker 1: to you in a second. But the too a story.
Speaker 1: What was the story coming into the week? You followed this,
Speaker 1: you know really closely. He comes out, He has twenty
Speaker 1: eight for thirty eight, two hundred and thirty four yards
Speaker 1: in a touchdown. Mike McDaniel said after the game it
Speaker 1: looked more like the Dolphins offense, and that's true, and
Speaker 1: seventy seven yards overall, they go eleven for fifteen on
Speaker 1: third down. What was their locker room and just this
Speaker 1: this week like for you because it was a defiant
Speaker 1: to at the podium and then after the game kind
Speaker 1: of what did you pick up in the locker room
Speaker 1: and everything after everything that happened in this game.
Speaker 13: So I'll say this, I was a little worried about
Speaker 13: something like this happening. And you know, you talk to
Speaker 13: a guy like Tyreek Hill during the week, and of
Speaker 13: course he's predictably excited about his quarterback coming in. But
Speaker 13: the message that Mike we Daniel tried to give the
Speaker 13: team is like two is not our savior, and it
Speaker 13: seemed like that was a hollow message, like talking to
Speaker 13: guys around the team, talked to one guy in the
Speaker 13: locker room and he was kind of like, maybe we
Speaker 13: got too relaxed. Maybe we assume that, you know, Tua
Speaker 13: would save everything. And watched him on Sunday, it very
Speaker 13: much looked like, particularly on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 13: a group that like took a deep breath, like okay,
Speaker 13: we're good now. You know, we were been holding the
Speaker 13: offense ve for three weeks when these other guys are
Speaker 13: been in here, but now two is here and it's
Speaker 13: all good. And they got exposed by a Cardinals team
Speaker 13: that was hungry and ready to fight. And honestly, a
Speaker 13: lot of the questions around the Dolphins has been their grit.
Speaker 13: What type of physicality and grit and ability to win
Speaker 13: tough games comes out to In that second half, there's
Speaker 13: a lot of grit moments they lost, and I think.
Speaker 18: That's probably, to me the story of this team.
Speaker 13: A lot of talent, not as much grit, And you
Speaker 13: sort of look at this team and like you said,
Speaker 13: two and five, it's not a death sentence.
Speaker 18: But they're going to Buffalo next week. Buffalo is up three.
Speaker 13: And a half games in the division on them already.
Speaker 13: They could put four and a half on them with
Speaker 13: both tie breakers. With the win in Buffalo next week,
Speaker 13: I'm sure they'll be very heavy favorites. And so the
Speaker 13: Dolphins are at a precarious spot. And it's weird because
Speaker 13: Tua played well, The Dolphins played a lot better and
Speaker 13: they still lost, And so that kind of leads you
Speaker 13: with the what's next for a team that's really been
Speaker 13: all in for the last two years.
Speaker 1: Okay, so second half they give up three straight scoring
Speaker 1: drives to end the game, touchdown, touchdown, field goal. Talk
Speaker 1: me through a little bit what you saw from the
Speaker 1: defense struggling, and yeah, that's part of the concern that
Speaker 1: I had coming in, Like they didn't look great when
Speaker 1: Tua was out there before he got hurt. The run
Speaker 1: blocking has maybe been up and down, like it was
Speaker 1: good the last couple of weeks, but they had a
Speaker 1: big play from h Hn today.
Speaker 2: But that's about it. Tell me what you saw kind
Speaker 2: of in the fourth.
Speaker 1: Quarter as they were giving up what was a twenty
Speaker 1: to ten lead and then a twenty seven to eighteen
Speaker 1: lead in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 13: Yeah, they really struggled to get Kyler Murray contained. Like
Speaker 13: he was very much the playmaker that a lot of
Speaker 13: us know him to be at his peak, where he
Speaker 13: gets stands plays, he runs around like you know, whatever
Speaker 13: adje of a person you can describe him as, and
Speaker 13: he makes plays like he threw a great touchdown to
Speaker 13: Marvin Harrison over Jaylen Ramsey that just came from him
Speaker 13: extending a play and getting.
Speaker 18: It across his body.
Speaker 13: I talked to Emmanuel Aguba, one of their pass rusher
Speaker 13: after the game, and he was like, that's one of
Speaker 13: the better quarterback games I can remember seeing, and we
Speaker 13: just really didn't take him down, like he was like,
Speaker 13: that was really it. Like we got him in our grasp,
Speaker 13: he kept breaking contain and it like broke everything within
Speaker 13: our defense. And so this is a team that like
Speaker 13: they've struggled to get pass rush, and I think that's
Speaker 13: really a core of what I've seen. I watched the
Speaker 13: game and there was a lot of times they tried
Speaker 13: blitzes and it seemed like everyone failed and they got
Speaker 13: big plays out of it. So there's not really an
Speaker 13: immediate answer of like how do you create a conflict
Speaker 13: and pressure on the quarterback? And I know, Anthony, we
Speaker 13: were trying different stuff, but you know, you lose a
Speaker 13: Jalen Phillips to a serious injury, Bradley Chubb's still not
Speaker 13: back from his torn acl and your your first round pick.
Speaker 13: Chop Robinson's just a little raw. He's he's pretty much
Speaker 13: a speed only pass rusher right now. They just don't
Speaker 13: have that juice and teams are exploiting that.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's let's be real, Campbell.
Speaker 1: If Kyler is represented here, I know like compared to us,
Speaker 1: he's not a real short king, but as NFL players go,
Speaker 1: he's a short king and he's representing well.
Speaker 2: I mean when.
Speaker 1: Kalais Campbell like volleyball, spiked one of his pass early
Speaker 1: in this game, I thought, oh man, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a long day for my guy.
Speaker 2: But he's running.
Speaker 1: Around here in three hundred and seven yards and two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: And sometimes you see him on film not take open
Speaker 1: throws or not see him like he's trying to make.
Speaker 2: The big plays.
Speaker 1: But the flip side is games like this where he's
Speaker 1: doing it and he's just magical. He's a different sort
Speaker 1: of player that than Tua. You mentioned the defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they only had one quarterback hit in this game, which
Speaker 1: is just brutal for an entire defense. And that wasn't
Speaker 1: even from the defensive line. That was from Jordan Hicks,
Speaker 1: So that that's where the loss has to go. Tell me,
Speaker 1: I guess a little bit about where you think this
Speaker 1: organization is because in the fans too, because those fans
Speaker 1: will turn on this Dolphins team when they're bad. They'll
Speaker 1: get either disinterested or mad. And I heard there was
Speaker 1: some fire Greer chance after the game, and like outside
Speaker 1: and fire McDaniel and everything kind of tell me where
Speaker 1: that's at and kind of what it's like in the
Speaker 1: city right now.
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's it's not great.
Speaker 4: Greg. I'll tell you that this is a.
Speaker 13: Team that's really sold his self as like this is
Speaker 13: our year, We're all in, and you ask where do
Speaker 13: you go next?
Speaker 18: That's almost the more frustrating part. They've paid everyone.
Speaker 13: They paid Mike McDaniel, they paid to a tongue of Bailoa,
Speaker 13: Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, Jaalen Ramsey, like everyone who you know,
Speaker 13: you're everyone who's the core of your team. Maybe you
Speaker 13: could argue the GM hasn't got an extension, but the
Speaker 13: core of your team is together, and you've paid them
Speaker 13: long term extensions and they're in the midst of their
Speaker 13: worst season in probably six or seven years, with the
Speaker 13: most talent they've had in six or seven years.
Speaker 18: And so I think that there's no immediate answer.
Speaker 13: I think they've got to look within and and really
Speaker 13: I think a lot of.
Speaker 18: This comes to like what is the culture of this team?
Speaker 13: And I remember being on the road a lot last
Speaker 13: year and talking to defensive coaches and coordinators and they
Speaker 13: were like, this is a video game team.
Speaker 18: But if we feel like.
Speaker 13: We punch them in the mouth, we get them in
Speaker 13: our type situations, they'll fold. And the Dolphins were really
Speaker 13: upset by that narrative. Mike McDaniel fought it all year
Speaker 13: that they can't beat winning teams, they can't win in
Speaker 13: the cold, and this year I think it's more evident
Speaker 13: than ever that I don't know if they have the
Speaker 13: toughness to be able to withstand the playoff race, and
Speaker 13: teams like this show it even the games without Tua.
Speaker 13: If you're a team that you know one quarterback can
Speaker 13: take down the whole ship, I think it says a
Speaker 13: lot about.
Speaker 18: Who you are as a team. And you know, I'll
Speaker 18: just say this.
Speaker 13: Look, they made a decision to go away from Brian
Speaker 13: Flores a few years ago and Google tours Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 13: A lot of times teams do opposite coaching styles, right,
Speaker 13: and Mike McDaniel did a lot of great things for Tua,
Speaker 13: building this confidence up, bringing this offense to a level
Speaker 13: it never was. But I do wonder if some of
Speaker 13: the discipline, some of the physicality, some of the toughness
Speaker 13: was missing from this team that maybe was in previous teams.
Speaker 13: They're one of the worst teams in the league in
Speaker 13: penalties the second straight year there towards the bottom of
Speaker 13: the league, and penalties operation has been an issue like that.
Speaker 13: That's a discipline thing, and you know you can't help,
Speaker 13: but know, you know, you got a fun loving group,
Speaker 13: got a fun loving coach. That kind of becomes your team.
Speaker 13: You just want to have fun. And fun is great
Speaker 13: until you start getting on a losing streak and you
Speaker 13: start losing games you shouldn't lose, and then you know
Speaker 13: it's not that much fun anymore. I start thinking, remember
Speaker 13: the Titans. You know fun, it is football.
Speaker 2: Fun. Today was not fun. I mean, they have a
Speaker 2: twenty to ten lead.
Speaker 1: It's halfway through the second quarter or the third quarter rather,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's a bad snap that maybe Tis
Speaker 1: said he could have maybe had at but it was
Speaker 1: a bad snap. It ends up being a safety. It's
Speaker 1: twenty to twelve. From that point forward. Here's what the
Speaker 1: defense did. They give up a seventy five yard nine
Speaker 1: play touchdown drive, a seventy yard eight play touchdown drive
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals. And then here here's the kicker, and
Speaker 1: the Dolphins offense hardly collapsed. I know they punted once
Speaker 1: in there, but they also scored a touchdown in there.
Speaker 1: They only had seven drives in this game on offense.
Speaker 1: That is a light day of offense. Eight drives rather
Speaker 1: and they score twenty seven points. But to finish the game,
Speaker 1: and this is where I want to give Cardinals their flowers,
Speaker 1: their fans, their flowers. Drew Petsing has taken some slings
Speaker 1: and arrows this year. They're offensive coach, they're not that
Speaker 1: talented on defense. They get the ball back with five
Speaker 1: minutes left in the in the game, they go thirteen
Speaker 1: plays eighty three yards. That includes a penalty in there,
Speaker 1: so seventy three total before that game winning field goal.
Speaker 1: That is tough, smash mouth type football, James Connor, but
Speaker 1: it was more of the passing game McBride, Harrison, Wilson, Connor,
Speaker 1: Murray putting it on the Dolphins and kind of to
Speaker 1: your point, showing who's the tougher team. And that is
Speaker 1: a galvanizing win for a Cardinals team that's just looking
Speaker 1: to be relevant. I couldn't believe this stat camp is
Speaker 1: the first time they've won back to back game since
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: That's wild. So they're a team. Now they're a real team.
Speaker 1: They're in this race, and props and give them their flowers.
Speaker 13: So that's a great stat because I actually talked to
Speaker 13: Marv Harrison year after the game of one on one
Speaker 13: for NFL Network and I asked him about the meaning
Speaker 13: of this, and that's the first thing you mentioned. He
Speaker 13: was like, this is the first back to back win
Speaker 13: that most of the guys.
Speaker 18: In the locker room have ever seen.
Speaker 13: He was like, I know, it's my first year, but
Speaker 13: he's like most of the guys we talked about in
Speaker 13: the locker room, this is one of the first back
Speaker 13: to back wins they can remember seeing. And he's like,
Speaker 13: this is how you build a culture. And I thought
Speaker 13: that was very interesting because I didn't know the twenty
Speaker 13: twenty one stat. I just knew he said, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 13: maybe all these guys have been here for one year,
Speaker 13: but that's three years since you've won back to back games.
Speaker 13: They started to have a little spurt at the end
Speaker 13: of last year. I remember that big win against Philly.
Speaker 13: I think they had one against Pittsburgh as well. But
Speaker 13: you just kind of see sprinkles and now you see
Speaker 13: more consistency in spurts. Winning against you know, the Chargers
Speaker 13: last week, winning against Miami this week, and I thought
Speaker 13: that final drive told a lot about the team, Like
Speaker 13: Miami is the team that has the most talent, They
Speaker 13: have a lot to play for their the expectations team,
Speaker 13: and every single play the Arnolds set seemed like they
Speaker 13: just had a little extra you know, Kyler made somebody miss.
Speaker 13: You know, Marv Harrison, who had I keep repeating because
Speaker 13: he had a great game, kept making plays in the
Speaker 13: open field. Trey McBride had an amazing game as well,
Speaker 13: and they kept putting themselves in situations where the Dolphins
Speaker 13: could have made a stop and they didn't. And you know,
Speaker 13: I just I just think that, you know, it won't
Speaker 13: be this year. I don't know if they're a playoff
Speaker 13: team this year, but I just think that, you know,
Speaker 13: this team is headed in the right direction with Kyler
Speaker 13: at the Mitts. I know there's often been the question of, hey,
Speaker 13: should they get a new quarterback. I saw everything I
Speaker 13: need to know in Kyler. He's not the issue.
Speaker 18: How to get the rest of the talent of their
Speaker 18: roster ready.
Speaker 2: Cam Wolfe NFL Network.
Speaker 1: Big time win for the Cardinals, big time win for
Speaker 1: us to get Cam on the show. We'll do it
Speaker 1: again down the road. Appreciate you, Cam, Appreciate you great.
Speaker 2: All right, we are.
Speaker 1: Going to take a quick break and we'll be back
Speaker 1: with the rest of the games.
Speaker 7: Sam's at the Colts fourteen Stroud under center, handoff, Mixon
Speaker 7: starts Wright, cuts left ten five, Mixon still Cohen, takes
Speaker 7: out of defender.
Speaker 2: And takes the ball into the end zone. Jones couldn't
Speaker 2: bring him down.
Speaker 7: Mixon has six for Houston and they can tire the game.
Speaker 4: With the extra point.
Speaker 3: Mixing with a grown man run, get off me won
Speaker 3: a run by Joe Mixon.
Speaker 2: I am a fan.
Speaker 1: Kilt Mark Vandermere, Joe Mixon just outrageous run. Now rageous
Speaker 1: runner this year when he gets the ball in space
Speaker 1: that only tied at ten to ten. But that was
Speaker 1: my favorite highlight, my favorite play in a game that
Speaker 1: was just a little weird that Texans end up winning
Speaker 1: this holding on twenty three to twenty. And yes, as
Speaker 1: they mentioned before the break, bringing in our friend Kevin
Speaker 1: patra Uh, Hey, what is your biggest takeaway? Because to me,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, the Texans are in charge of this division.
Speaker 1: The loose Stefan Dicks to an injury in this game.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to feel about either one of
Speaker 1: these teams.
Speaker 2: But where do you want to start?
Speaker 19: Kevin Well how I started in the What we learned
Speaker 19: this week is defining it as the Texans survived.
Speaker 12: They survived.
Speaker 19: A near collapse, They survived with bad a really bad
Speaker 19: turnover on a pitch from c. J. Stroud and CJ.
Speaker 19: Stroud survived behind an offensive line that continues to be
Speaker 19: really bad as a pass protecting unit. He was under
Speaker 19: siege all day. I think it was like fifty seven
Speaker 19: percent pressure rate, something ridiculous, and he just couldn't get
Speaker 19: anything going on offense. Mixon was like the stabilizing force.
Speaker 19: He had a one hundred and two yards and that
Speaker 19: touchdown that we saw, and other than that, there was
Speaker 19: like it was up and down all game. And then
Speaker 19: when Diggs went out, you know, it was a funnel
Speaker 19: everything through Tank Dell. But as far as the Texans go,
Speaker 19: they really just kind of meandered their way through this
Speaker 19: and let Anthony Richardson kind of hand them the the
Speaker 19: victory there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to it. So Richardson finishes ten for
Speaker 1: thirty two.
Speaker 19: Yeah, which is you know, where those ten came from. Honestly,
Speaker 19: it was he. I say, he did complete ten passes,
Speaker 19: Like that's how bad it was.
Speaker 1: He did have a couple good throws that I thought
Speaker 1: could have been caught, like one or two in there,
Speaker 1: like the touchdown throw to who was that to to down?
Speaker 1: Not not the touchdowns, not the long white not the
Speaker 1: long touchdown throw. I'm thinking of another one that that
Speaker 1: wasn't caught to the pylon or whatever, to eighty Mitchell.
Speaker 1: That was a beautiful thrower. Like that's the one play
Speaker 1: where you look at it and you're like, see, that's
Speaker 1: what everyone wants to see him moving in the pocket,
Speaker 1: making a good decision and throwing an absolute dying But
Speaker 1: where just where do you think he's at with play?
Speaker 2: He reminds me the NFL level.
Speaker 12: It's weird.
Speaker 19: He he reminds me of like somebody who would have
Speaker 19: played in like the seventies or the eighties, like just
Speaker 19: bombs away, but like very poor accuracy on the intermediate routes,
Speaker 19: which is like something we don't see nowadays. Quarterbacks are
Speaker 19: like seventy five percent completion rate, like and he just
Speaker 19: and his misses aren't close. Really, I mean, he's putting
Speaker 19: in a guy's feet, everything is behind it. Receivers got
Speaker 19: to you know, twist their contort their body just to
Speaker 19: make it close. And then he uncorks a bomb and
Speaker 19: it could one got completed today, but most of them,
Speaker 19: you know, it was just off the marker, throwing it
Speaker 19: out of bounds.
Speaker 12: He's just very inconsistent.
Speaker 19: And I was really surprised that Shane Stykin kept putting
Speaker 19: the ball in his hands, especially with Jonathan Taylor back.
Speaker 19: And Taylor looked good when he carries for a bucko five.
Speaker 19: Uh So, I mean they could have rammed the ball more,
Speaker 19: and I think Colts fans would would say that that's
Speaker 19: what they were thinking about. I thought this whole game
Speaker 19: was like who's gonna run the ball and who's gonna
Speaker 19: make a play on the ground because the offensive lines
Speaker 19: could not pass protect at all.
Speaker 12: And what we haven't even gotten to is.
Speaker 19: Daniel Hunter was ridiculous today and so was Will Anderson,
Speaker 19: and the two coming off the edge made life miserable
Speaker 19: for Anthony Richardson and he couldn't escape from it.
Speaker 1: Well that makes more sense, like, look, they are a
Speaker 1: defense with stars that has created issues for much worse,
Speaker 1: much better offenses. Than this now, Jonathan Taylor, I agree,
Speaker 1: like looked fantastic in this play, but I mean in
Speaker 1: this game. But yeah, when Richardson was holding the ball
Speaker 1: more than two and a half seconds, he goes five
Speaker 1: for for twenty three.
Speaker 2: I mean, that is just outrageous.
Speaker 1: And I know he was under pressure on some of
Speaker 1: those and he had some rushing ability, but it is
Speaker 1: a tricky spot.
Speaker 2: He also missed the play.
Speaker 1: It's going to become a big talking point that he
Speaker 1: said he was, you know, tired.
Speaker 19: You know, he got twisted down. So at the time,
Speaker 19: I was like, well, maybe he's a little banged up.
Speaker 19: It was third and long and they just handed. They
Speaker 19: just were like, okay, this is a give up play anyway.
Speaker 19: So I think the coaching staff would probably say it's
Speaker 19: not a big deal, but that mentality is, you know,
Speaker 19: that's going to be questioned moving forward.
Speaker 2: I don't think that is that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: I think not being able to really run a consistent
Speaker 1: NFL passing game is a bigger deal. That Michael Pittman
Speaker 1: goes from so valuable to six targets one catch. When
Speaker 1: Richardson goes in, you just like lose the value of
Speaker 1: one of your best players.
Speaker 2: It's problematic.
Speaker 1: Tell me what I'm not seeing in Stroud's day, because yeah,
Speaker 1: he was under a lot of pressure. He still ends
Speaker 1: up being able to complete twenty five of thirty seven
Speaker 1: for two eighty five, but without digs and without Nico
Speaker 1: collins Man.
Speaker 2: It's just it's tough living.
Speaker 19: And you could tell like the pressure was starting to win.
Speaker 19: And I would use the word annoy for him more
Speaker 19: than like, you know, make him. He can still complete
Speaker 19: passes and he makes plays out of structure like we
Speaker 19: saw last year, and he continues to do that, but
Speaker 19: his pass were just a tick off, like a tick behind.
Speaker 19: Not as bad as Anthony Richardson's, but just like something
Speaker 19: wasn't right, and he just seemed like he was getting
Speaker 19: annoyed with himself and with the lack of protection. At
Speaker 19: one point they pulled left guard Green and replaced him,
Speaker 19: and then his replacement got injured, so he was right
Speaker 19: back like they clearly were trying to bench him, and
Speaker 19: then they couldn't because his replacement got hurt, so he
Speaker 19: was back in there. But it's just they needed four
Speaker 19: by the interior of that offensive line. I don't I mean,
Speaker 19: it's really hard to trade for offensive linemen right like
Speaker 19: ever in the middle of the season, but like if
Speaker 19: there was ever a team coaching he needed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's coaching.
Speaker 12: He need need to figure it out.
Speaker 1: To your point, And now that I look at the
Speaker 1: next gen numbers, it's absolutely crazy. So I pointed out
Speaker 1: earlier in the show that the Bengals didn't have a
Speaker 1: single quick pressure on the day, which means under two
Speaker 1: and a half seconds. Dio Odingbo had five on his own.
Speaker 1: He was one of seven Colts who not only had pressures,
Speaker 1: but quick pressures, Like, so multiple multiple quick pressures. So
Speaker 1: lots who had three, Pay had two, Buckaner had two,
Speaker 1: Brian had two. EJ Speed their linebacker right too. Those
Speaker 1: are the quick pressures. I could go into like the
Speaker 1: just total pressures numbers, and they're absolutely outrageous. And yeah,
Speaker 1: like the the Texans had a ton two Hunter at twelve,
Speaker 1: Landers that at seven.
Speaker 2: It was just a game of pressures.
Speaker 1: But if you look at like the quick numbers, it
Speaker 1: was even more dramatic on the Colt side, And then
Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely fair to kind of compare the
Speaker 1: two It's like one young quarterback who's one of the
Speaker 1: best young quarterbacks i've ever seen can make it work
Speaker 1: and make an NFL offense because he's so ahead of schedule,
Speaker 1: and the other quarterback absolutely can't because he's behind schedule.
Speaker 1: And if the Colts are really trying to win games,
Speaker 1: that's the most important thing. I think they start Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco next week, but I don't think they're at that point.
Speaker 1: I don't think they should be either. I don't think honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't think they should be. It's not all about
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 19: I think it's fair to ask that question, like, should
Speaker 19: they if they're you know, try now they're two games
Speaker 19: behind in the division because they lost this game. But
Speaker 19: if the goal is to Anthony Ridgardson to be your
Speaker 19: franchise quarterback, yo, yelling him in out of the lineup
Speaker 19: is not going to do anybody any good.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't surprise me if at some point he gets bench
Speaker 1: for a couple of games and then reinserted after a few,
Speaker 1: we will see. Let's go to Detroit where quarterback controversies
Speaker 1: that's that's for bad teams. That is a long time
Speaker 1: ago that Detroit had quarterback controversies.
Speaker 11: Off out of the gun hands it to Jamior Gibbs
Speaker 11: gives their fifty.
Speaker 2: It's a foot race down the left sideline. Give twenty fifty.
Speaker 19: Ten five touch down.
Speaker 10: De Froyd Lions, Oh, maybe seventy yards.
Speaker 8: Smir Gibbs found the opening and they couldn't find him.
Speaker 1: That is Dan Miller and Lomas Brown on w x
Speaker 1: y T. Remember that stat a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: that Jamiir Gibbs had somehow not popped a twenty yard
Speaker 1: run all season, and in the last couple of weeks
Speaker 1: all it is is twenty yard runs.
Speaker 2: Seventy yard runs.
Speaker 1: He finishes with one twenty seven on the ground on
Speaker 1: only eleven carries. David Montgomery adds a rushing touchdown and
Speaker 1: a passing touchdown. The Lions dropped a fifty burger on
Speaker 1: the Titans at one point right through three quarters. At
Speaker 1: one point in this game, they had forty nine points
Speaker 1: in twenty six net passing yards. Jared Goff finishes with
Speaker 1: only eighty five yards through the air and three touchdowns.
Speaker 1: It's a laugher. This is what you can do when
Speaker 1: you're one of the best teams in the NFL. Kevin Patrick,
Speaker 1: how does it feel?
Speaker 19: It's hilarious because I was thinking. I was thinking during
Speaker 19: the game, I'm like, man, I remember these games. Yeah,
Speaker 19: being on the losing sides so many times of like
Speaker 19: just to just getting walloped and there's nothing you can
Speaker 19: do about it.
Speaker 12: I mean this, it was crazy.
Speaker 19: The line started drives on the interception on the second
Speaker 19: drive started at Tennessee's twenty.
Speaker 12: Three, A big big kickoff.
Speaker 19: Return start at Tennessee's twenty five, and other interceptions started
Speaker 19: Tennessee's to what twelve. Another punt return started Tennessee's twenty two,
Speaker 19: then a kickoff return for a touchdown. I mean, the
Speaker 19: offense didn't have to do anything. This was a day
Speaker 19: off for Jared Goff. He didn't have to do anything
Speaker 19: at all. You know, he took some sacks. He might
Speaker 19: have been a little banged up with his ankle. We'll
Speaker 19: find out more going forward, because he did. He did
Speaker 19: get get rolled up on. But they didn't have to
Speaker 19: do after the Gibbs touchdown blast off, it was more
Speaker 19: like they were practicing red zone offense all they were doing.
Speaker 1: And what's awesome about that is that the defense can
Speaker 1: create big plays. You get the huge ninety yard touchdown
Speaker 1: return by Khalif Raymond, your special teams are making plays
Speaker 1: so that it doesn't all have to be about the offense,
Speaker 1: right and the offensive line. In a day where you're
Speaker 1: playing up against a pretty good pass rush and a
Speaker 1: pretty good run defense, you can still exert your will
Speaker 1: on the other team. Mason Rudolph starting the game. He
Speaker 1: ends up having a couple interceptions. Tony Pollard, who's like
Speaker 1: the only good part of this Titans team, has a
Speaker 1: nice day on the ground. And it was funny because
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley was the squeaky wheel this week saying they
Speaker 1: don't get me the ball much in the first quarter,
Speaker 1: and he had one hundred yards in the first quarter
Speaker 1: and none of it mattered because none of them mattered.
Speaker 1: The Jets are, I mean, the Lions are just that good. Laporta.
Speaker 1: Nice to see him finally make some big plays. I mean,
Speaker 1: what are you even worried about right now? As a
Speaker 1: Lions fan. It's going too well.
Speaker 19: The pass rush is going to be an issue. They
Speaker 19: need to make a move before the deadline. I mean,
Speaker 19: maybe they could get arden Key after they just played
Speaker 19: him and he had two sacks today on Jared Goff,
Speaker 19: maybe they can flip him. Since the Titans are, you know,
Speaker 19: in cell mode, but that was an issue early. I mean,
Speaker 19: Mason Rudolph was moving the ball up and down the
Speaker 19: field that Jamier Gibbs scored, and then the Titans answered
Speaker 19: with another touchdown, and then Detroit it was just then
Speaker 19: the bottom fell out for Tennessee and it was thirty
Speaker 19: eight straight points or whatever it was. So I think
Speaker 19: we're moving the ball and I do still have questions
Speaker 19: about that pass rush because the secondary. Aaron Glenn deserves
Speaker 19: a ton of credit for getting these guys in the
Speaker 19: secondary to play well. But if you can't get pressured
Speaker 19: better quarterbacks are going to pick you apart down the road.
Speaker 2: I love this division. There's so many division games left.
Speaker 1: So to say that next week's Packers Lions game is like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the biggest game, It's like, no, we got a
Speaker 1: lot of big games between all these teams left. We'll
Speaker 1: see if the Bears can hang with the other three.
Speaker 1: We'll see if the Vikings can hang with the Packers,
Speaker 1: and the Lions. We'll see if any of them can
Speaker 1: hang with the line, because the Lions look that good lately.
Speaker 1: I loved what Dan Campbell said after the game on
Speaker 1: the podium and in the locker room after the game.
Speaker 2: This is him on the podium.
Speaker 20: We did come out to fight, and that's what we expected.
Speaker 20: You know. I felt that we were going to be ready.
Speaker 20: We were going to be ready. And it's like I
Speaker 20: told them, that's what champions do is and you come out.
Speaker 20: You don't care what time of day it is, what
Speaker 20: the records are, what the surface is. You just you
Speaker 20: come out and handle your business.
Speaker 2: That's absolutely right, Kim Petra. That is which champions.
Speaker 12: No trap game, There no trap game, right.
Speaker 1: They're up for every game and that it's always a
Speaker 1: sign of a great team who can stomp on the
Speaker 1: bad teams. Because we know the Lions are going to
Speaker 1: play the good teams tight or beat the good teams.
Speaker 1: We've established that, But who can stop and stay on
Speaker 1: their p's and q's.
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell is getting it done. What a coach you found.
Speaker 1: I'm happy for you, Kevin Patra, a coach to match
Speaker 1: that beautiful head of hair. We say goodbye to Kevin
Speaker 1: Patra and we head to Sunday Night football.
Speaker 5: Here's Brock under center, Grendo the long back, the party plunch.
Speaker 7: He'll take it to the goal Line's perty in right
Speaker 7: up against the goal line touchdown San.
Speaker 1: Francisco, the Rock Perty Plunch Rock Party takes it in
Speaker 1: from two yards out. That's Greg Papa on KNBR. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was just an automatic play where
Speaker 1: where Perdy saw what was in front of him and
Speaker 1: he decided to take the two yards out were there,
Speaker 1: but his head's up quarterbacking, which he did for most
Speaker 1: of the night, especially on the ground, Perty ends up
Speaker 1: with fifty six rushing yards. Isaac Corendo in for an
Speaker 1: injured Jordan Mason gets eighty five on the ground with
Speaker 1: a touchdown. The forty nine Ers explode in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: come back from ten to three to make it twenty
Speaker 1: seven to ten, and then they hang on for your
Speaker 1: dear life. After almost doing what the forty nine ers do,
Speaker 1: which is blow a fourth quarter lead thirty to twenty four,
Speaker 1: their defense gets Dak Prescott to go four and out.
Speaker 2: At the end of the game, Nick Shook, It's like.
Speaker 1: Depending on which section of the game you watched, you
Speaker 1: could think that any unit on either of these teams
Speaker 1: is terrible or awesome. Like each offense or defense took
Speaker 1: turns not looking great or looking dominant. But the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers I think are the better team overall, and
Speaker 1: they got the win in the end.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And if you really want an assessment of the
Speaker 5: Cowboys offense, don't watch that last possession they had because
Speaker 5: it was dreadful. You know, down six points, you've burned
Speaker 5: all your timeouts. You need to go basically the length
Speaker 5: of the field, and you call up four of the
Speaker 5: worst plays possible and don't get a yard and four
Speaker 5: and out otherwise, you know, like you said, there was
Speaker 5: a period there. I know, right, I'd freezing for a
Speaker 5: second just because I'm like, wow, this game, I'm the
Speaker 5: forty nine ers are like world beaters for a quarter
Speaker 5: and then they look like, well they were gonna blow
Speaker 5: another lead in the fourth quarter. At one point late
Speaker 5: in the third quarter, I just thought to myself, they're
Speaker 5: gonna slaughter them, like is gonna be over with ten
Speaker 5: minutes left in the fourth quarter. And then the Cowboys
Speaker 5: mount a comeback and neither offense could do much in
Speaker 5: the first half, and at the end of the night,
Speaker 5: we're like, what do we know about these teams? We
Speaker 5: know one thing. The forty nine ers got to win,
Speaker 5: and that's a lot for them because it's been a
Speaker 5: rough Yeah, in five weeks and the Cowboys are still
Speaker 5: the Cowboys who are banged up defensively, got more banged
Speaker 5: up tonight and in the end came up short.
Speaker 2: Right, they're three and four and.
Speaker 1: Right now, what they're two games back in the lost
Speaker 1: column to Washington and Philadelphia. And there's just nothing consistent
Speaker 1: about this team. Dak Prescott's having the worst season of
Speaker 1: his career. Their offense is the worst that it's been
Speaker 1: in the Mike McCarthy era, really, or at least in yeah,
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty one. If you look at their EPA
Speaker 1: per play numbers and their success rate, they've been top
Speaker 1: five in the McCarthy era, and this year they're outside
Speaker 1: of the top twenty. And it reminded me so much
Speaker 1: of the Ravens game where they fall way behind, they
Speaker 1: play their best football CD, Lamb and deck in Dak,
Speaker 1: you know, looking great in the fourth ordered down by
Speaker 1: a handful of scores. I'm not gonna say it's garbage
Speaker 1: time because you got the ball back, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: with four minutes to go, your defense stepping up with
Speaker 1: a chance to win. Actually, I do think those four
Speaker 1: players are the ones to watch, nick, because I think
Speaker 1: they're very telling about this season. First play on that drive,
Speaker 1: first and ten, Dak Prescott throws it into a forty
Speaker 1: nine ers team meeting. If Fred Warner doesn't break the
Speaker 1: ball up, dominor Lador is gonna pick it off and
Speaker 1: the game's over, like two or three forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: And I don't know what Dak was thinking. And there's
Speaker 1: just been more of those plays than you would expect
Speaker 1: this year. Two interceptions in this game. One of them
Speaker 1: was a great defensive play, but still that was another one.
Speaker 1: So that's play number one. Then you try a deep
Speaker 1: shot to go Cavante Turpin, which was a great throw,
Speaker 1: could have been an absolutely great play, but just poor execution.
Speaker 1: Turpin can't come down with it. But then you think
Speaker 1: about it and it's like we're throwing perimeter shots to
Speaker 1: our receiver because we don't really have anyone else to
Speaker 1: throw to. Then third down, he's under a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure and he throws it in completion or that that's
Speaker 1: the fourth down. And there was another where he was
Speaker 1: fleshed out and at the throw it out the sideline.
Speaker 1: It's just like, if it's not the offensive line, it's Dak,
Speaker 1: I's not Dak, it's one of the receivers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you get no running game tonight ten
Speaker 5: for thirty four from Zigil Elliott. But you're actually, you're
Speaker 5: absolutely right. Those four plays did kind of describe the
Speaker 5: Cowboys in a nutshell because, first off, situational football. Why
Speaker 5: are you calling those plays as if there's forty five
Speaker 5: seconds left with no timeouts? I mean, the shots of
Speaker 5: Turpin down the sideline was a perfectly placed ball by
Speaker 5: Dak Prescott, but it's Turpid. It's a small guy who's
Speaker 5: mainly a returner who's become a receiver out of necessity.
Speaker 5: You're not throwing it up the ceed land. You're not
Speaker 5: thrown up to anybody with any size, and he doesn't
Speaker 5: make the play. Why are you taking shots or at
Speaker 5: least putting Dak in a situation where it feels like
Speaker 5: he's got to make a thirty yard completion just to
Speaker 5: keep them alive when there's ten yards to go and
Speaker 5: you're out of the two minute warning. That speaks to
Speaker 5: the Cowboys and their dysfunction offensively, which has been which
Speaker 5: has played them for most of the year. The other
Speaker 5: thing is this, why did it take them falling behind
Speaker 5: twenty seven to ten for them to wake up offensively.
Speaker 5: Not to take anything away from the forty nine ers,
Speaker 5: who played a great third quarter and deserve this win.
Speaker 5: They're the better team. But why did it take you
Speaker 5: that long? Why did it take you that long against
Speaker 5: the Ravens to wake up and actually move the football?
Speaker 5: This is just indicative of what they've dealt with all
Speaker 5: year and why I know you took a little bit
Speaker 5: of heat, but you also said the Cowboys were gonna
Speaker 5: collapse this year. Oh weekly is watching the game like tonight.
Speaker 5: I'm on board with you. I think you're right. I
Speaker 5: think they're going nowhere fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was our step on the uh
Speaker 1: the tiny tiny table, tiny table, not the tiny box.
Speaker 2: Colleen. We would never step on.
Speaker 5: Her, would not step on Colleen.
Speaker 2: It's not looking good. I mean.
Speaker 1: CD made some nasty catches in this game, thirteen for one,
Speaker 1: six and two touchdowns. A lot of that came late,
Speaker 1: but he also had like an insane catch to start
Speaker 1: the game off on what ended up being a scoring drive.
Speaker 1: Like or they made good plays the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: they just needed to get to their bye. You mentioned
Speaker 1: the injuries Bosa for most of the night really made
Speaker 1: a difference in this game, flushing Dak Prescott out, having
Speaker 1: a big sack, getting a lot of pressure, Perty made
Speaker 1: good decisions. Deebo Samuel gets a rib injury, so he
Speaker 1: plays and makes a big plays, has a big gainer
Speaker 1: in the first half four for seventy one overall. Pierce
Speaker 1: all gets involved four catches thirty eight yards and had
Speaker 1: a big time run in the second half, like Mason
Speaker 1: goes down, and you get good rushing production out of
Speaker 1: Grendo and pretty This was just a survive in advance
Speaker 1: game for them. Get to the by, you get Tampa,
Speaker 1: who's been very erradicalming out of the by, and hopefully
Speaker 1: you get see you know, Christian McCaffrey back after the bye,
Speaker 1: and you have a chance. We're in an NFC West
Speaker 1: where all four teams have four losses. The Rams are
Speaker 1: at three and four, the other three are at four
Speaker 1: and four, and it's probably not gonnae of them.
Speaker 5: None of them look like world beaters, Like no is
Speaker 5: totally for the taking the forty nine. If there was
Speaker 5: every a year for the forty nine ers to have
Speaker 5: their lumps and have all these injuries and still be
Speaker 5: in the hunt, it's this year. He's winning a game
Speaker 5: like tonight puts them in a great spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point that you could look at
Speaker 1: it two ways, that the forty nine ers are ripe
Speaker 1: to be picked off, or you can look at another
Speaker 1: way like this, right now, we don't see a team
Speaker 1: like let's say the twenty twenty three Rams or certainly
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one Rams, where just a team that
Speaker 1: looks ready to take over this division, and the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers have gone about it the other way being
Speaker 1: the world beaters. Maybe they can figure out a way
Speaker 1: to be playing their best in December, which just feels
Speaker 1: like miles away right now. I did think it was
Speaker 1: important for Purdy to go out there and have a productive,
Speaker 1: efficient game against a very vulnerable defense. The Cowboys will
Speaker 1: get Micah Parsons back maybe next week, DeMarcus Lawrence at
Speaker 1: some point, but overall they just didn't have enough answers.
Speaker 1: You had all the answers though today shook.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Greg, I have one question for you
Speaker 5: before we wrap y, where is brock Party in your
Speaker 5: mind right now? Because he's had some stinkers. This Wow,
Speaker 5: this was not one of those he created, and he
Speaker 5: did throw the ball well, but he's had some stinkers.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you ask it's they've been in the last month.
Speaker 1: We have Quarterback Island returning, So if you're listening, let
Speaker 1: us know who you think deserves to be on who
Speaker 1: doesn't deserve to be on Quarterback Island. Maybe we'll take
Speaker 1: that into consideration before we tape a perty will be
Speaker 1: an interesting discussion.
Speaker 2: He was an easy one the first one around.
Speaker 1: This time he won't be I think as much of
Speaker 1: a slam dunk, but I've got some opinions.
Speaker 2: I'll hold him for now. And yes, thank you for listening.
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